July 22, 2025 • 32 mins
In the wake of the shocking assassination of Alan Berg, KOA staff were forced to balance mourning their friend with the task of reporting his murder. All while the Denver Police Department struggled to find any leads. As station manager Lee Larsen worked to maintain calm and order at KOA, his producers got to work finding out who could have committed this crime. And eventually the case broke wide open in a way nobody could have expected.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live Wire is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Modulator Media.
Previously on live Wire, The Loud Life and Shocking Murder
of Alan Burke.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
They just don't understand Alan, you know, and they might
hate him. It's kind of like but it's a show.
And we always told people, remember it's entertainment. It's not
it's not realistic and realism and a real program. It's
just entertainment.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
He was so brave, he just would not back down.
But it was so easy for him to go out
him because they're just idiots. They were just insane. I
was always next. That's one word that I always remember
about Allen was next. Someone's always going to dislike me,
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someone's always going to hate me. I always seemed not
necessarily Allen, but he he wasn't going to change because
of it, couldn't. And in the end a bunch of
crazy people took his life for him. And it makes
me so angry that he got himself killed because he
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had a big mouth.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
How did they know him on the red?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
They knew him from the radio.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
I feel your presence listening to Koa, to feel the
result of your handy work. You're a loser man, if
Alan Berg was anything before you blew him away. He
was nothing, and you made him immortal.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
It's ten fifty nine at Kowa News Talk eighty five.
I'm Rick barber koa morning talk show host. Alan Berg
reportedly was shot and killed tonight in downtown Denver. Details
of that shooting, which happened around ten tonight or sketchy, However,
Denver please have identified the victim as Alan Berg.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
As news of this unthinkable crime began to trickle in,
Allan's friends and colleagues were in disbelief. Even if they'd
previously expressed their concerns about the danger that some of
Allenberg's more radical guests might pose, Grappling with the reality
of what had happened still proved difficult.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
There gonna be with us in the morning.
Speaker 8 (02:15):
I guess that's I wish this were a misguided broadcast
of Austin Wells.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
War of the Worlds, because then it would be a
big hoax. And at five, whatever time the sun is
doing to come up tomorrow morning, this is the shadows
pulled back and the buildings downtown begin to reflect back
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that golden light. We'd be all able to say.
Speaker 8 (02:53):
April fool, but it's not even April. It's tonight.
Speaker 9 (03:10):
I'm very, very very angry.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
It's a violent world, violent people, thick people. I guess
I'm babbling. If I'm sitting here and babbling, I don't know.
We'll get you some first hand information as it comes up,
and those of you that have your TV sets, I'm
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sure you'll get additional information from that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Here's Allan's friend and co worker, Don Hartenoff.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, the fact that someone could do that to
another human being is grecious enough, but it was just
he was a good friend, good friend, not that, not
only that, and he made me a lot of money,
so it was, you know, you had best of all
of it. And it was sad. It was sad to
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hear to see that that occur, That's for sure. It
was definitely not not something that was easy to just
go wow, okay, move on, hard to move.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
On from that.
Speaker 10 (04:16):
In the in the normal course of an investigation such
as this surrounding a person who routinely got death threats,
it'll be a procedure now to go into those records,
especially of the most recent threats on Alan's life, perhaps
to follow up on possible leads.
Speaker 11 (04:36):
That that is true.
Speaker 12 (04:37):
Mark It there could be a clue to to who
the murderer is in the recent threats and the records
that we have at the station and the police might have,
but then again they there may not be. Alan was
constantly joking about the threats that were made on his life.
I don't really know how seriously he took them. Maybe
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he did, but he never had peared on.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The surface someone could actually be assassinated just for being
on the radio. So yeah, it was pretty pretty bizarre
from our standpoint working there, you know, But as Alan
would have said, the show must go on, right we
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had to still sell advertising.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
What is sketchy so far, evidently police report that beside
the body tonight they found ten spent rounds of forty
five caliber ammunition lying on the sidewalk next to the body.
It is speculated that that may possibly indicate the use
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of an automatic weapon. That's against speculation, however, that seems
to be some of the talk right now again because
of the found spent forty five caliber ammunition. Ten rounds
were found on the sidewalk. We got this report at
about ten o'clock tonight, and so far the details are sketchy. However,
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it happened at the fourteen hundred block of Adams Street
in East Capitol Hill here in downtown Denver.
Speaker 11 (06:18):
I I've been here about fifteen or twenty minutes. Police
are still pretty tight mouthed about the situation. They are
busy canvassing the neighborhood right now trying to find witnesses
to what happened here about an hour ago. They have
also called for a Chinese interpreter. They aren't saying for
what reason, whether it's to talk to a witness or
who knows what they haven't told us. They will be
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telling us a little while. Bill Buckley, who's an assistant
District Attorney Deputy District Attorney for City and County of Denver,
is also at the scene, as is the corner. It
looks as it looked as if Allan had just stepped
out of his car right in front of his apartment.
He was driving his little Volkswagen today when we saw him,
and that was the car that where his body is
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near and witnesses purportedly have told police. The only witnesses
that we've heard of told police that they had heard
a tire's scream about the time the shots were fired.
There were a number of shots in rapid succession. Police
did find about between eight and eleven shell casings lying
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on the ground near Alan's car, which would indicate that
it was some sort of an automatic weapon, although police
haven't said exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
News didn't travel as fast in nineteen eighty four as
it does today, and so some of Allen's colleagues didn't
hear about his death until the next morning.
Speaker 13 (07:40):
Stepped out of my car to buy the Rocky Mountain
News on the morning after Allen was killed, and having
not received were not gotten a phone call, but put
my quarters in the slot, opened up the vending machine,
and there was there was my friend on the front
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page of the newspaper.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And I believe it was Alan Berg killed.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
That's Lori Cantillo, she was a producer at KOA.
Speaker 13 (08:09):
Just was like a gut punch, that's what I remember,
and feeling like, oh my god, why didn't anyone tell me.
Speaker 10 (08:18):
So?
Speaker 13 (08:20):
And then again the beehive of activity, the flurry of
people just scrambling in the KOA newsroom that morning, with
phones ringing and TV cameras everywhere, and just trying to
do the work, get the news out there.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Talk about what we knew, interview the.
Speaker 13 (08:41):
Police, and yet it was all about this person that
we knew and loved.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Maybe it was because they had a job to do.
Maybe it was because they just didn't nowhere else to go,
Almost as if drawn to a beacon. During this moment
of total darkness, Alan's friends from Koa began to descend
on the station.
Speaker 14 (09:00):
I was driving in my car and this came on
the radio.
Speaker 15 (09:06):
Then I went directly downtown to fourteen. We were at
fourteen thirty Lawrence Street at that time, and I knew
I I just my car went there. We all went there,
and then when I went up there, we were all there.
I remember we were all gathered, yeah, just to be
with each other.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
This is another one of Allen's colleagues, Tom Martine.
Speaker 14 (09:28):
I mean, it was so shocking, and I immediately, I
immediately knew that it was some asshole who believed him.
That was the heartbreaking thing is that I thought you
killed someone for no reason. He wasn't advancing anything at all.
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It was somber. Oh my god, it was terrible, terrible.
Speaker 15 (09:54):
I mean it was all a blurb, but I remember,
I remember Lee Larson, I remember the people there.
Speaker 16 (09:58):
The first question that came to everybody's mind was was
what happened? Why did Alan get murdered? There was a
lot of you know, wondering about was it something to
do with his personal life. Was it something to do
with his past life when he was an attorney in
Chicago and had some interactions with some of the mafia supposedly,
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or some organized gangsters of one sort or another. Or
did it have something to do with the radio station
and his show and all of that.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Amidst all this pain and grieving and fear, it was
up to Larson to lead the charge through all of this,
a pretty tall task for a man who had held
the top job at Kawa for only a few weeks.
Considering the horrific details of allen Berg's murder, Larson knew
what he needed to do first.
Speaker 16 (10:49):
So everybody was very concerned and very uptight. So some
of the first things we did, as far as the
management was concerned, was we hired security and provided security
for our building and for our studios. We also had
our talk hosts driven to and from home or followed
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to and from home by security, mostly off duty police officers,
just in case it had anything to do with the
radio station. As the months went by, there was nothing
to indicate that it had anything to do with the
radio station, but frankly, we didn't know what it was about.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You had a TV station and a radio station the
same building, so it was they definitely started implementing more security.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
At the time.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well we you know, they knew us, They knew us
all and I want to say, we would either come
in from the parking lot up the back way, and
you know, we all ended up having key card access,
you know, scanning the door lock thing.
Speaker 13 (12:04):
It was a devastating and a challenging situation for all
of us. There were private security guards that had been
hired in the lobby because we didn't know if this
was wider than Alan or if there were other people
at the radio station being targeted. I only remember the
guards in the lobby because that was very unusual.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
We were a very you know, friendly operation.
Speaker 13 (12:30):
Anybody could walk in and you know, win a prize
or ask for a tour, and there wasn't a whole
lot of security like broadcast operations have today.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I'm filmmaker and journalist tal Ponchewski, and this is episode
six Morning a Friend investigating a murder. The extra security
wasn't the only resources provided to Allenberg's shocked colleagues, and
a move considered rather forward thinking for the time on
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counseling was provided to KOA staff.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I went to the group meetings.
Speaker 13 (13:04):
Sure, I think all of us were interested, and of
course we were feeling stress and sadness and guilt, a
multitude of feelings. You know, Alan's death was traumatic for
all of us. I think it was when Alan was
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killed that doctor Andrea van Steinhaus had sort of a
meeting with us talking about PTSD and so forth and ways.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
To cope with it.
Speaker 13 (13:39):
When I was at Kiowa, we just had a series
of deaths that followed.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
There was the death of Bob Martin, the sportscaster. He
had I believe, a bone marrow cancer.
Speaker 13 (13:55):
And we had a board op, a guy named Sheldon
who commited suicide. There was a program director named Bruce
Kaman who died after a few years of prostate cancer.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So it just seemed that there were so many untimely deaths.
Speaker 13 (14:13):
And I do recall at one point, Oh, we had
a board operator another or an engineer who didn't show
up for work and they checked at his home and
he had died of a heart attack, so Andrew Winsteinhause
would hold sort of these counseling meetings and sessions with
people to help cope with the stress of it.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
That resource was bolstered by the countless listeners who called
into the station to offer their memories of Allan as
well as their condolences to his friends.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
So ye for your grief. I find it so hard
to believe that that he's really gone. I used to
live by I got to know him a little bit.
Dis hard to believe. I just it just really hit
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me heart when I heard about it, and I just
wanted to let you know it. I feel for you.
I kind of feel a little bit. What's your feeling.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 10 (15:22):
Your friends.
Speaker 17 (15:25):
This very sad day in our community's life.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
It's truly a sadness for each of us.
Speaker 17 (15:36):
As we come to this place, pay this last and
lasting tribute of love and respect to Allen burd This
is a community law. Some will say that a community
is made up of sights, and so that Denver really
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is a city that is at the base of the
Rocky Mountains. But what makes a city are its people,
and what made Denver and makes Denver a great city
are the very wide variety of human experiences which make
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up the peoplehood of the city of Denver. Allen was
a part of that peoplehood, an important part of our city,
an honest part of our city, a controversial part of
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our city.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
With Berg's killers still at large and with no leads
to speak of, Berg's funeral in Denver was subjected to
heavy security, but that didn't keep several mourners from coming
out to pay their respects. Between the massive media attention
and the shocking details of the murder, Denver police had
their work cut out for them. Here's burg biographer Steve
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Singular again.
Speaker 18 (17:17):
Berg was gunned down about nine point thirty on June eighteenth,
which was three days before summer started. Nice night, in
other words, a lot of people out half a block
from the busiest thoroughfare in Denver, Colorado. Nobody saw anything,
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but a few people heard what they thought were firecrackers
or someone said the rattling of a chain. So the
police launched essentially what was one of the largest, if
not the largest investigation into a murder in Denver and
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in Denver's history, and they did all the things that
police do in those circumstances case, the neighborhood question people.
Speaker 19 (18:12):
Lieutenant of Police David Machard. Machhard is with the Crime
against Persons Bureau of the Denver Police Department. Lieutenant, thank
you for your patience and welcome to chaos, sir, h
Very good, Very good. I understand your your time is limited,
and I appreciate your being here withson. We'll try not
to keep you any longer than possible.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
I'm just told we have two additional homicide offenses working
right now that you're just been reported here within the
last hour, two separate location. That's what's happened.
Speaker 19 (18:42):
Yeah, all right, Lieutenant Machard. Where does the allen Berg
case stand at this point? Reference investigation progress.
Speaker 10 (18:50):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Well, I think that we've made a lot of progress,
but I don't think progress has been the kind that
we were hopeful that we would get. Progress has eliminated
a lot of things for us. We think it hasn't
led us on any course that it looks promising at
this time, But isn't that?
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Is that?
Speaker 19 (19:13):
Am I hearing the natural optimism that a professional investigator
of homicide crimes and a professional police department wants to
maintain or am I are you really feeling good about
in the progress that you are making what little it
may or.
Speaker 11 (19:32):
May not be well.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
I think that there's that's a twofold question. I think
that we feel like we have eliminated many things, but again,
we don't have the good hot leads right now. Where
we have got it a group of detectives working on it.
That's where we We have just worked this investigation anything
that really looks good to us as hard as we
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can up to this point, and we have just reached
the point. It's probably very frustrating all of us that
we don't have a good lead right now.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You know, they were interviewing primarily management. Nobody specifically talked
to me at the time. I think they were just
researching what went on and how they stalked him and
how did they know, how'd they follow him, and how
they know where he lived and all the rest of that,
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because he was a very he was an accessible human being,
that's for sure, obviously too accessible.
Speaker 13 (20:35):
Oh yes, there were many who said, how in the
world can you possibly know who killed Alan Berg? Because
he had made so many enemies by being such a
controversial host, and many of us speculated that they would
never find the killers for that reason, that the list
of people that disliked Alan was as long as your arm,
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So it would be a very long and arduous investigation
if they were even ever going to solve this crime.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
But amidst all this stress and sadness and fear, there
was one familiar piece of Alan who still occasionally came
by to offer just a sliver of light during these
dark times.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
They'd bring his dog in and his wife he was
trying to reconcile with. She would come around. I might
see her and say hi, Yeah, it was just it
was really yeah, yeah, Fred, his dog Fred. There were
times when he would have Fred in the car when
we go on a sales car.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
What are you doing it?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, he'll be fine.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
I'll just crack the windows down, yep.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Alan's old Airedale terrier, Fred, the dog who overtime bore
a remarkable likeness to his shaggy haired owner, still came
by on occasion. His presence lightened the mood for some
before ultimately bringing others to tears.
Speaker 18 (22:06):
And Fred was walking up and down the halls and rangling.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
This is Burg biographer Stephen Singler.
Speaker 18 (22:15):
Nothing avoked the spirit, probably even the presence or the
absence of Alan Berg. Moren that dog.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Fred's occasional appearance was a fitting tribute to Alan in
the KOA studio, but colleagues found other ways to honor
their fallen friend in the days that followed.
Speaker 15 (22:35):
And I was on the radio and I was I
remember I was in the window in the studio doing
Berg show, and I was substituting. I said, you know,
you know, Alan is a tough act of blah blah
blah blah. We started talking. I said, you know, just
for the hell of it, Alan said this was our
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last town meeting or something.
Speaker 14 (22:59):
I said something like that.
Speaker 15 (23:00):
Then I said, you know, i'd like to know, you know,
if you miss them. And let's do lights on for Berg.
And and you know, remember now I'm a young Kidden radio,
relatively young. And I look out, I see a couple
of lights going. I thought, is that a coincidence because
it was daytime and I think that.
Speaker 14 (23:20):
Was before day runners.
Speaker 15 (23:21):
So there's a few lights. And then I said, let's
show our appreciation, and then more and more, and I.
Speaker 14 (23:27):
Thought that's pretty cool.
Speaker 15 (23:28):
So, like I said, you know, maybe it wasn't a
movie crescendo or climax where you know, everybody shouting, I'm
as mad as hell, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Not going to take it.
Speaker 15 (23:37):
But there were people turning lights on and they were
sure as hell listening. And then I realized, you know,
this is a lot of people right here, and that
was a good moment for me because I never took
it for granted ever that And so the lights were on,
lots of them, I wouldn't say the majority, but lots
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of them for me to see that they were listening
to what I was saying, and they missed Alan. So
I thought it was cool, and I said, lights on
for Berg and that that was cool.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
KOA wasted a little time paying tribute to their fallen
colleague immediately following his shocking murder, but Stapf also had
the unenviable task of reporting the details of that murder,
and with one of their biggest stars tragically gone, it
was up to many staff to step up in his absence.
One of those was Lori Cantillo, who back then went
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by the name Lori Parsons.
Speaker 20 (24:35):
Lori Parsons KOA News Talk eighty five.
Speaker 13 (24:37):
It was like, Oh my god, who's going to do
the show and how are we going to handle all
these interviews from CNN and CBS and ABC, And I
think it was in a way good that we had
to keep so busy, because I think we would have
probably fallen apart had we not had all of this
this work to do. And then it was probably several
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days after his death that they needed.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Someone to fill in for him.
Speaker 13 (25:07):
And I had never been a talk show host before,
but I was the producer, so I remember sitting in
that chair and as a news person.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
When she wasn't trying her hand at being a talk
show host. Laurie was assigned to be the lead reporter
on the investigation into Berg's murder, a murder that, as
Laurie recalls, had ten thousand suspects. Two of those suspects,
white supremacist leaders Jack Moore and Pete Peters, had appeared
on Berg's show just a few months before his death.
Speaker 20 (25:38):
The FBI is taking a hard look at a talk
show Berg did. The night of February thirteenth, nineteen eighty four.
Burg arranged to have as his guest the Reverend Pete
Peters and Gordon Jack Moore of the Christian Patriots Defense League.
Peters had arranged for more to speak at his Laport
Church of Christ a few days earlier, in a talk
that made headlines because of Moore's views that Jews are
conspiring to take over the world through communism.
Speaker 13 (26:00):
Alan had on as his guest Colonel Jack Moore from
The Covenant The Sword in the Arm of the Lord,
and I recall it was a very heated conversation and
that Alan basically cursed him out.
Speaker 20 (26:12):
The FBI says Reverend Peters is not under investigation and
the Berg murder. At this time, Jack Moore's status is unclear.
Peter says Moore's talked at least once to the Area
Nations group and is highly respected. It's possible to show
that night offended a friend of Jack Moore's. An FBI
agent confirms if February thirteenth show is a piece of evidence,
will quote throw out there. But he says, if that's
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all the evidence we had, we wouldn't get to first
base if it'd come to my attention about that particular interview.
And as I recall, for some reason the radio station
did not have a recording of that.
Speaker 13 (26:46):
It might have been that they destroy the tapes after
ninety days, something like this, But we were struggling to
get a copy of this cassette tape because this would
have been fundamental evidence for the prosecution.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
It would have showed motive and intent.
Speaker 13 (27:05):
So I reached out to Pastor Pete Peters the Laporte
Church of Christ.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And lo and behold, he had a tape of this interview.
Speaker 13 (27:17):
So after much persuasion, I convinced him to meet me
at a cafe.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
On the Pearl Street mall in Boulder one night.
Speaker 13 (27:28):
I believe it was a Friday night, and I was
a little nervous. I felt like, here I am meeting
with this person who will not directly responsible for Alan's death,
certainly did not share my views.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
He was a fairly known white supremacist. I believe it
was a weak.
Speaker 13 (27:54):
Night on the Pearl Street mall in Boulder. We had
agreed to meet at a small cafe. I believe I
got there first, I remember that, and but Pastor Peters
walked into the cafe. We sat down together and exchanged
a few pleasantries.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
He also looked a little bit nervous and unsure.
Speaker 13 (28:16):
I think he just was very complicated, and if I
had to read into it, he may have felt a
little bit of guilt.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
About what happened. That's just my take on things. But yeah,
he was very weary.
Speaker 13 (28:35):
From the moment I contacted him by phone to the
time that he left our meeting. But I was able
to persuade him that it was the right thing to do,
that I had been a colleague of Allen's, you know,
we were all deeply you know, hurt and devastated by
his death, and that this would be a piece of
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evidence that would assist with those who were responsible.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
And he did give me the.
Speaker 13 (29:04):
Cassette tape and I left. It was a very short meeting.
All I remember is feeling this immense feeling of relief
and that in some small way I could contribute to
putting these people behind bars.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Even with the tape, Denver police struggled to gain much
of anything leading to Berg's killer. With so much media
attention and so many police resources dedicated to the case,
the glare of the spotlight only intensified as time went
on without any real tangible evidence of who had committed
this heinous crime. Then, weeks later, a break in the case.
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Here's Peter Robinson.
Speaker 21 (29:49):
Okay, Well, I was an assistant US attorney starting in
nineteen seventy eight and in nineteen eighty four, I was
assigned to the Northern District of California, headquartered in San Francisco,
and I was actually a one man branch office in
Santa Rosa, California, just north of San Francisco, and I
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was responsible for any of the crimes that took place
between the Marin County line just north of San Francisco.
Speaker 14 (30:17):
And the Oregon border.
Speaker 21 (30:19):
And one day in July of nineteen eighty four, a
group of men robbed an armored car up in Yucaia, California,
in my district, and I became immediately assigned to work
on that case with the FBI agents. The armored car
was traveling very slowly because it was a very steep
hill and it had to gear down, and all of
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a sudden, a pickup truck pulled in front of it,
forcing it to come to a stop. Even at the
slow speed it was going, there was a pickup truck
behind it went alongside it, and so all the men
jumped out at that point, pointed their weapons and ordered
the armored car guards to get out, and within a
few minutes had taken a lot of money from the
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brinks armory car and gotten away with all that loot.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
By this point, Steve Singular had been assigned to write
a story for Rolling Stone magazine about Allan's murder.
Speaker 18 (31:16):
So I started to write the piece. And as I
was writing the piece over the summer of nineteen eighty
four and going maybe under the fall, the case started
to unravel. The case had moved from the Denver Police
Department out to the FBI, and they were eventually beginning
to learn that this wasn't one crime committed by one person,
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but this was a series of crimes committed by a group.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That's next time on live Wire, The Loud Life and
Shocking Murder of Alan Burke. Live Wire is a production
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Previously on live Wire, The Loud Life and Shocking Murder
of Alan Burke.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
They just don't understand Alan, you know, and they might
hate him. It's kind of like but it's a show.
And we always told people, remember it's entertainment. It's not
it's not realistic and realism and a real program. It's
just entertainment.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
He was so brave, he just would not back down.
But it was so easy for him to go out
him because they're just idiots. They were just insane. I
was always next. That's one word that I always remember
about Allen was next. Someone's always going to dislike me,
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someone's always going to hate me. I always seemed not
necessarily Allen, but he he wasn't going to change because
of it, couldn't. And in the end a bunch of
crazy people took his life for him. And it makes
me so angry that he got himself killed because he
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had a big mouth.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
How did they know him on the red?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
They knew him from the radio.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
I feel your presence listening to Koa, to feel the
result of your handy work. You're a loser man, if
Alan Berg was anything before you blew him away. He
was nothing, and you made him immortal.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
It's ten fifty nine at Kowa News Talk eighty five.
I'm Rick barber koa morning talk show host. Alan Berg
reportedly was shot and killed tonight in downtown Denver. Details
of that shooting, which happened around ten tonight or sketchy, However,
Denver please have identified the victim as Alan Berg.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
As news of this unthinkable crime began to trickle in,
Allan's friends and colleagues were in disbelief. Even if they'd
previously expressed their concerns about the danger that some of
Allenberg's more radical guests might pose, Grappling with the reality
of what had happened still proved difficult.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
There gonna be with us in the morning.
Speaker 8 (02:15):
I guess that's I wish this were a misguided broadcast
of Austin Wells.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
War of the Worlds, because then it would be a
big hoax. And at five, whatever time the sun is
doing to come up tomorrow morning, this is the shadows
pulled back and the buildings downtown begin to reflect back
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that golden light. We'd be all able to say.
Speaker 8 (02:53):
April fool, but it's not even April. It's tonight.
Speaker 9 (03:10):
I'm very, very very angry.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
It's a violent world, violent people, thick people. I guess
I'm babbling. If I'm sitting here and babbling, I don't know.
We'll get you some first hand information as it comes up,
and those of you that have your TV sets, I'm
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sure you'll get additional information from that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Here's Allan's friend and co worker, Don Hartenoff.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, the fact that someone could do that to
another human being is grecious enough, but it was just
he was a good friend, good friend, not that, not
only that, and he made me a lot of money,
so it was, you know, you had best of all
of it. And it was sad. It was sad to
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hear to see that that occur, That's for sure. It
was definitely not not something that was easy to just
go wow, okay, move on, hard to move.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
On from that.
Speaker 10 (04:16):
In the in the normal course of an investigation such
as this surrounding a person who routinely got death threats,
it'll be a procedure now to go into those records,
especially of the most recent threats on Alan's life, perhaps
to follow up on possible leads.
Speaker 11 (04:36):
That that is true.
Speaker 12 (04:37):
Mark It there could be a clue to to who
the murderer is in the recent threats and the records
that we have at the station and the police might have,
but then again they there may not be. Alan was
constantly joking about the threats that were made on his life.
I don't really know how seriously he took them. Maybe
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he did, but he never had peared on.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The surface someone could actually be assassinated just for being
on the radio. So yeah, it was pretty pretty bizarre
from our standpoint working there, you know, But as Alan
would have said, the show must go on, right we
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had to still sell advertising.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
What is sketchy so far, evidently police report that beside
the body tonight they found ten spent rounds of forty
five caliber ammunition lying on the sidewalk next to the body.
It is speculated that that may possibly indicate the use
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of an automatic weapon. That's against speculation, however, that seems
to be some of the talk right now again because
of the found spent forty five caliber ammunition. Ten rounds
were found on the sidewalk. We got this report at
about ten o'clock tonight, and so far the details are sketchy. However,
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it happened at the fourteen hundred block of Adams Street
in East Capitol Hill here in downtown Denver.
Speaker 11 (06:18):
I I've been here about fifteen or twenty minutes. Police
are still pretty tight mouthed about the situation. They are
busy canvassing the neighborhood right now trying to find witnesses
to what happened here about an hour ago. They have
also called for a Chinese interpreter. They aren't saying for
what reason, whether it's to talk to a witness or
who knows what they haven't told us. They will be
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telling us a little while. Bill Buckley, who's an assistant
District Attorney Deputy District Attorney for City and County of Denver,
is also at the scene, as is the corner. It
looks as it looked as if Allan had just stepped
out of his car right in front of his apartment.
He was driving his little Volkswagen today when we saw him,
and that was the car that where his body is
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near and witnesses purportedly have told police. The only witnesses
that we've heard of told police that they had heard
a tire's scream about the time the shots were fired.
There were a number of shots in rapid succession. Police
did find about between eight and eleven shell casings lying
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on the ground near Alan's car, which would indicate that
it was some sort of an automatic weapon, although police
haven't said exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
News didn't travel as fast in nineteen eighty four as
it does today, and so some of Allen's colleagues didn't
hear about his death until the next morning.
Speaker 13 (07:40):
Stepped out of my car to buy the Rocky Mountain
News on the morning after Allen was killed, and having
not received were not gotten a phone call, but put
my quarters in the slot, opened up the vending machine,
and there was there was my friend on the front
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page of the newspaper.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And I believe it was Alan Berg killed.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
That's Lori Cantillo, she was a producer at KOA.
Speaker 13 (08:09):
Just was like a gut punch, that's what I remember,
and feeling like, oh my god, why didn't anyone tell me.
Speaker 10 (08:18):
So?
Speaker 13 (08:20):
And then again the beehive of activity, the flurry of
people just scrambling in the KOA newsroom that morning, with
phones ringing and TV cameras everywhere, and just trying to
do the work, get the news out there.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Talk about what we knew, interview the.
Speaker 13 (08:41):
Police, and yet it was all about this person that
we knew and loved.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Maybe it was because they had a job to do.
Maybe it was because they just didn't nowhere else to go,
Almost as if drawn to a beacon. During this moment
of total darkness, Alan's friends from Koa began to descend
on the station.
Speaker 14 (09:00):
I was driving in my car and this came on
the radio.
Speaker 15 (09:06):
Then I went directly downtown to fourteen. We were at
fourteen thirty Lawrence Street at that time, and I knew
I I just my car went there. We all went there,
and then when I went up there, we were all there.
I remember we were all gathered, yeah, just to be
with each other.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
This is another one of Allen's colleagues, Tom Martine.
Speaker 14 (09:28):
I mean, it was so shocking, and I immediately, I
immediately knew that it was some asshole who believed him.
That was the heartbreaking thing is that I thought you
killed someone for no reason. He wasn't advancing anything at all.
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It was somber. Oh my god, it was terrible, terrible.
Speaker 15 (09:54):
I mean it was all a blurb, but I remember,
I remember Lee Larson, I remember the people there.
Speaker 16 (09:58):
The first question that came to everybody's mind was was
what happened? Why did Alan get murdered? There was a
lot of you know, wondering about was it something to
do with his personal life. Was it something to do
with his past life when he was an attorney in
Chicago and had some interactions with some of the mafia supposedly,
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or some organized gangsters of one sort or another. Or
did it have something to do with the radio station
and his show and all of that.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Amidst all this pain and grieving and fear, it was
up to Larson to lead the charge through all of this,
a pretty tall task for a man who had held
the top job at Kawa for only a few weeks.
Considering the horrific details of allen Berg's murder, Larson knew
what he needed to do first.
Speaker 16 (10:49):
So everybody was very concerned and very uptight. So some
of the first things we did, as far as the
management was concerned, was we hired security and provided security
for our building and for our studios. We also had
our talk hosts driven to and from home or followed
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to and from home by security, mostly off duty police officers,
just in case it had anything to do with the
radio station. As the months went by, there was nothing
to indicate that it had anything to do with the
radio station, but frankly, we didn't know what it was about.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You had a TV station and a radio station the
same building, so it was they definitely started implementing more security.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
At the time.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well we you know, they knew us, They knew us
all and I want to say, we would either come
in from the parking lot up the back way, and
you know, we all ended up having key card access,
you know, scanning the door lock thing.
Speaker 13 (12:04):
It was a devastating and a challenging situation for all
of us. There were private security guards that had been
hired in the lobby because we didn't know if this
was wider than Alan or if there were other people
at the radio station being targeted. I only remember the
guards in the lobby because that was very unusual.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
We were a very you know, friendly operation.
Speaker 13 (12:30):
Anybody could walk in and you know, win a prize
or ask for a tour, and there wasn't a whole
lot of security like broadcast operations have today.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I'm filmmaker and journalist tal Ponchewski, and this is episode
six Morning a Friend investigating a murder. The extra security
wasn't the only resources provided to Allenberg's shocked colleagues, and
a move considered rather forward thinking for the time on
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counseling was provided to KOA staff.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
I went to the group meetings.
Speaker 13 (13:04):
Sure, I think all of us were interested, and of
course we were feeling stress and sadness and guilt, a
multitude of feelings. You know, Alan's death was traumatic for
all of us. I think it was when Alan was
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killed that doctor Andrea van Steinhaus had sort of a
meeting with us talking about PTSD and so forth and ways.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
To cope with it.
Speaker 13 (13:39):
When I was at Kiowa, we just had a series
of deaths that followed.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
There was the death of Bob Martin, the sportscaster. He
had I believe, a bone marrow cancer.
Speaker 13 (13:55):
And we had a board op, a guy named Sheldon
who commited suicide. There was a program director named Bruce
Kaman who died after a few years of prostate cancer.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
So it just seemed that there were so many untimely deaths.
Speaker 13 (14:13):
And I do recall at one point, Oh, we had
a board operator another or an engineer who didn't show
up for work and they checked at his home and
he had died of a heart attack, so Andrew Winsteinhause
would hold sort of these counseling meetings and sessions with
people to help cope with the stress of it.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
That resource was bolstered by the countless listeners who called
into the station to offer their memories of Allan as
well as their condolences to his friends.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
So ye for your grief. I find it so hard
to believe that that he's really gone. I used to
live by I got to know him a little bit.
Dis hard to believe. I just it just really hit
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me heart when I heard about it, and I just
wanted to let you know it. I feel for you.
I kind of feel a little bit. What's your feeling.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 10 (15:22):
Your friends.
Speaker 17 (15:25):
This very sad day in our community's life.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
It's truly a sadness for each of us.
Speaker 17 (15:36):
As we come to this place, pay this last and
lasting tribute of love and respect to Allen burd This
is a community law. Some will say that a community
is made up of sights, and so that Denver really
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is a city that is at the base of the
Rocky Mountains. But what makes a city are its people,
and what made Denver and makes Denver a great city
are the very wide variety of human experiences which make
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up the peoplehood of the city of Denver. Allen was
a part of that peoplehood, an important part of our city,
an honest part of our city, a controversial part of
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our city.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
With Berg's killers still at large and with no leads
to speak of, Berg's funeral in Denver was subjected to
heavy security, but that didn't keep several mourners from coming
out to pay their respects. Between the massive media attention
and the shocking details of the murder, Denver police had
their work cut out for them. Here's burg biographer Steve
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Singular again.
Speaker 18 (17:17):
Berg was gunned down about nine point thirty on June eighteenth,
which was three days before summer started. Nice night, in
other words, a lot of people out half a block
from the busiest thoroughfare in Denver, Colorado. Nobody saw anything,
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but a few people heard what they thought were firecrackers
or someone said the rattling of a chain. So the
police launched essentially what was one of the largest, if
not the largest investigation into a murder in Denver and
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in Denver's history, and they did all the things that
police do in those circumstances case, the neighborhood question people.
Speaker 19 (18:12):
Lieutenant of Police David Machard. Machhard is with the Crime
against Persons Bureau of the Denver Police Department. Lieutenant, thank
you for your patience and welcome to chaos, sir, h
Very good, Very good. I understand your your time is limited,
and I appreciate your being here withson. We'll try not
to keep you any longer than possible.
Speaker 9 (18:31):
I'm just told we have two additional homicide offenses working
right now that you're just been reported here within the
last hour, two separate location. That's what's happened.
Speaker 19 (18:42):
Yeah, all right, Lieutenant Machard. Where does the allen Berg
case stand at this point? Reference investigation progress.
Speaker 10 (18:50):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Well, I think that we've made a lot of progress,
but I don't think progress has been the kind that
we were hopeful that we would get. Progress has eliminated
a lot of things for us. We think it hasn't
led us on any course that it looks promising at
this time, But isn't that?
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Is that?
Speaker 19 (19:13):
Am I hearing the natural optimism that a professional investigator
of homicide crimes and a professional police department wants to
maintain or am I are you really feeling good about
in the progress that you are making what little it
may or.
Speaker 11 (19:32):
May not be well.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
I think that there's that's a twofold question. I think
that we feel like we have eliminated many things, but again,
we don't have the good hot leads right now. Where
we have got it a group of detectives working on it.
That's where we We have just worked this investigation anything
that really looks good to us as hard as we
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can up to this point, and we have just reached
the point. It's probably very frustrating all of us that
we don't have a good lead right now.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You know, they were interviewing primarily management. Nobody specifically talked
to me at the time. I think they were just
researching what went on and how they stalked him and
how did they know, how'd they follow him, and how
they know where he lived and all the rest of that,
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because he was a very he was an accessible human being,
that's for sure, obviously too accessible.
Speaker 13 (20:35):
Oh yes, there were many who said, how in the
world can you possibly know who killed Alan Berg? Because
he had made so many enemies by being such a
controversial host, and many of us speculated that they would
never find the killers for that reason, that the list
of people that disliked Alan was as long as your arm,
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So it would be a very long and arduous investigation
if they were even ever going to solve this crime.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
But amidst all this stress and sadness and fear, there
was one familiar piece of Alan who still occasionally came
by to offer just a sliver of light during these
dark times.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
They'd bring his dog in and his wife he was
trying to reconcile with. She would come around. I might
see her and say hi, Yeah, it was just it
was really yeah, yeah, Fred, his dog Fred. There were
times when he would have Fred in the car when
we go on a sales car.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
What are you doing it?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, he'll be fine.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
I'll just crack the windows down, yep.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Alan's old Airedale terrier, Fred, the dog who overtime bore
a remarkable likeness to his shaggy haired owner, still came
by on occasion. His presence lightened the mood for some
before ultimately bringing others to tears.
Speaker 18 (22:06):
And Fred was walking up and down the halls and rangling.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
This is Burg biographer Stephen Singler.
Speaker 18 (22:15):
Nothing avoked the spirit, probably even the presence or the
absence of Alan Berg. Moren that dog.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Fred's occasional appearance was a fitting tribute to Alan in
the KOA studio, but colleagues found other ways to honor
their fallen friend in the days that followed.
Speaker 15 (22:35):
And I was on the radio and I was I
remember I was in the window in the studio doing
Berg show, and I was substituting. I said, you know,
you know, Alan is a tough act of blah blah
blah blah. We started talking. I said, you know, just
for the hell of it, Alan said this was our
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last town meeting or something.
Speaker 14 (22:59):
I said something like that.
Speaker 15 (23:00):
Then I said, you know, i'd like to know, you know,
if you miss them. And let's do lights on for Berg.
And and you know, remember now I'm a young Kidden radio,
relatively young. And I look out, I see a couple
of lights going. I thought, is that a coincidence because
it was daytime and I think that.
Speaker 14 (23:20):
Was before day runners.
Speaker 15 (23:21):
So there's a few lights. And then I said, let's
show our appreciation, and then more and more, and I.
Speaker 14 (23:27):
Thought that's pretty cool.
Speaker 15 (23:28):
So, like I said, you know, maybe it wasn't a
movie crescendo or climax where you know, everybody shouting, I'm
as mad as hell, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Not going to take it.
Speaker 15 (23:37):
But there were people turning lights on and they were
sure as hell listening. And then I realized, you know,
this is a lot of people right here, and that
was a good moment for me because I never took
it for granted ever that And so the lights were on,
lots of them, I wouldn't say the majority, but lots
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of them for me to see that they were listening
to what I was saying, and they missed Alan. So
I thought it was cool, and I said, lights on
for Berg and that that was cool.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
KOA wasted a little time paying tribute to their fallen
colleague immediately following his shocking murder, but Stapf also had
the unenviable task of reporting the details of that murder,
and with one of their biggest stars tragically gone, it
was up to many staff to step up in his absence.
One of those was Lori Cantillo, who back then went
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by the name Lori Parsons.
Speaker 20 (24:35):
Lori Parsons KOA News Talk eighty five.
Speaker 13 (24:37):
It was like, Oh my god, who's going to do
the show and how are we going to handle all
these interviews from CNN and CBS and ABC, And I
think it was in a way good that we had
to keep so busy, because I think we would have
probably fallen apart had we not had all of this
this work to do. And then it was probably several
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days after his death that they needed.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Someone to fill in for him.
Speaker 13 (25:07):
And I had never been a talk show host before,
but I was the producer, so I remember sitting in
that chair and as a news person.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
When she wasn't trying her hand at being a talk
show host. Laurie was assigned to be the lead reporter
on the investigation into Berg's murder, a murder that, as
Laurie recalls, had ten thousand suspects. Two of those suspects,
white supremacist leaders Jack Moore and Pete Peters, had appeared
on Berg's show just a few months before his death.
Speaker 20 (25:38):
The FBI is taking a hard look at a talk
show Berg did. The night of February thirteenth, nineteen eighty four.
Burg arranged to have as his guest the Reverend Pete
Peters and Gordon Jack Moore of the Christian Patriots Defense League.
Peters had arranged for more to speak at his Laport
Church of Christ a few days earlier, in a talk
that made headlines because of Moore's views that Jews are
conspiring to take over the world through communism.
Speaker 13 (26:00):
Alan had on as his guest Colonel Jack Moore from
The Covenant The Sword in the Arm of the Lord,
and I recall it was a very heated conversation and
that Alan basically cursed him out.
Speaker 20 (26:12):
The FBI says Reverend Peters is not under investigation and
the Berg murder. At this time, Jack Moore's status is unclear.
Peter says Moore's talked at least once to the Area
Nations group and is highly respected. It's possible to show
that night offended a friend of Jack Moore's. An FBI
agent confirms if February thirteenth show is a piece of evidence,
will quote throw out there. But he says, if that's
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all the evidence we had, we wouldn't get to first
base if it'd come to my attention about that particular interview.
And as I recall, for some reason the radio station
did not have a recording of that.
Speaker 13 (26:46):
It might have been that they destroy the tapes after
ninety days, something like this, But we were struggling to
get a copy of this cassette tape because this would
have been fundamental evidence for the prosecution.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
It would have showed motive and intent.
Speaker 13 (27:05):
So I reached out to Pastor Pete Peters the Laporte
Church of Christ.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And lo and behold, he had a tape of this interview.
Speaker 13 (27:17):
So after much persuasion, I convinced him to meet me
at a cafe.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
On the Pearl Street mall in Boulder one night.
Speaker 13 (27:28):
I believe it was a Friday night, and I was
a little nervous. I felt like, here I am meeting
with this person who will not directly responsible for Alan's death,
certainly did not share my views.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
He was a fairly known white supremacist. I believe it
was a weak.
Speaker 13 (27:54):
Night on the Pearl Street mall in Boulder. We had
agreed to meet at a small cafe. I believe I
got there first, I remember that, and but Pastor Peters
walked into the cafe. We sat down together and exchanged
a few pleasantries.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
He also looked a little bit nervous and unsure.
Speaker 13 (28:16):
I think he just was very complicated, and if I
had to read into it, he may have felt a
little bit of guilt.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
About what happened. That's just my take on things. But yeah,
he was very weary.
Speaker 13 (28:35):
From the moment I contacted him by phone to the
time that he left our meeting. But I was able
to persuade him that it was the right thing to do,
that I had been a colleague of Allen's, you know,
we were all deeply you know, hurt and devastated by
his death, and that this would be a piece of
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evidence that would assist with those who were responsible.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
And he did give me the.
Speaker 13 (29:04):
Cassette tape and I left. It was a very short meeting.
All I remember is feeling this immense feeling of relief
and that in some small way I could contribute to
putting these people behind bars.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Even with the tape, Denver police struggled to gain much
of anything leading to Berg's killer. With so much media
attention and so many police resources dedicated to the case,
the glare of the spotlight only intensified as time went
on without any real tangible evidence of who had committed
this heinous crime. Then, weeks later, a break in the case.
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Here's Peter Robinson.
Speaker 21 (29:49):
Okay, Well, I was an assistant US attorney starting in
nineteen seventy eight and in nineteen eighty four, I was
assigned to the Northern District of California, headquartered in San Francisco,
and I was actually a one man branch office in
Santa Rosa, California, just north of San Francisco, and I
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was responsible for any of the crimes that took place
between the Marin County line just north of San Francisco.
Speaker 14 (30:17):
And the Oregon border.
Speaker 21 (30:19):
And one day in July of nineteen eighty four, a
group of men robbed an armored car up in Yucaia, California,
in my district, and I became immediately assigned to work
on that case with the FBI agents. The armored car
was traveling very slowly because it was a very steep
hill and it had to gear down, and all of
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a sudden, a pickup truck pulled in front of it,
forcing it to come to a stop. Even at the
slow speed it was going, there was a pickup truck
behind it went alongside it, and so all the men
jumped out at that point, pointed their weapons and ordered
the armored car guards to get out, and within a
few minutes had taken a lot of money from the
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brinks armory car and gotten away with all that loot.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
By this point, Steve Singular had been assigned to write
a story for Rolling Stone magazine about Allan's murder.
Speaker 18 (31:16):
So I started to write the piece. And as I
was writing the piece over the summer of nineteen eighty
four and going maybe under the fall, the case started
to unravel. The case had moved from the Denver Police
Department out to the FBI, and they were eventually beginning
to learn that this wasn't one crime committed by one person,
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but this was a series of crimes committed by a group.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That's next time on live Wire, The Loud Life and
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