August 6, 2025 • 29 mins
In this episode, Diosa and Mala compare the awkward stages of their creative journeys to their ten-year-old selves. They share memories from their childhood in regards to what they were into, and fast forward to creating their Locatora Radio in 2016. They explore the awkward phases of being 10 seasons in, discovering ways to refresh the show, changing the format, and maintaining the heart of the show. Is Growing up Ever Not Awkward?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you feel a little awkward in this season?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Oh? Absolutely, I feel super awkward, and I feel like
it's because the podcast is ten years old and ten
is an awkward year.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Ten is so awkward. Let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's talk about it. I remember being a ten year old.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
That was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Now I can't believe it. It was a really long
time ago. Already.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh la la, look, I'm what is I'm Diosa and
I'm Mala. Today we're talking about awkward growing phases. This
is our tenth season and our ninth year of podcasting,
and there's been some awkward growing phases, some reflections, and
I think, just broadly speaking, we're at a cultural moment
(00:43):
where so many people are talking about doing especially therapized people, right,
doing inner child work, do the thing little little you liked, right,
That's something I see a lot, and just embracing your
inner weird girl. The nostalgia is obviously everywhere, and even
this idea of like, I'm just a thirty something teenage girl.
(01:05):
So I think we want to explore all of that
but also talk about ourselves and how that relates to
the growth of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, the podcast was is ten we were once ten
and what were we doing when we were ten years old?
All kinds of weird fun shit. I loved being ten.
It was awkward, it was uncomfortable in a lot of ways,
but I think ultimately I had a lot of fun
and I love thinking about that time in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I hated that timeframe. I did not like being a
ten year old, which sounds so ridiculous to say as
a thirty something old. I'm like, I hated being ten,
But I think that that was a those couple of
years between like being ten, like being in middle school.
I think middle school was really rough for me, and
(01:55):
those are years that I've actively repressed, and I have
decided to dig up for the sake of this episode, for.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The sake of entertainment, Yeah, and storytelling.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Share with us your trauma, share with us, tell us.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I think about being the new girl. So I was
at a new school, and I had social anxiety, and
I was just a little weird, depressed girl, And so
I think I was just trying to figure myself out
in the way that you can when you're ten, right,
and then having these family pressures being the daughter, and
I just remember middle school being really hard because my
(02:32):
dad just put so much pressure on me as a
kid to be this like excellent student. And so I think,
just think for all those reasons, school was just not
enjoyable for me, even though I liked to learn and
I liked school, But there were so many reasons at
school was not enjoyable for me, and that was one
of them. And so I think when I look back
at that time, that was when I was really thinking
(02:54):
about not really understanding what mental health was. But I
can pinpoint like, oh, that I was really depressed those years,
and I like in the way that a kid can
be depressed, right, And so that meant for me because
of what I had access to being like an emo kid,
because it's like, oh, this is the pain and the
emotions that I'm feeling. Yeah, so I'm going to listen
(03:16):
to Evanescence, yes, and just feel like I'm going through
it because I am a ten year old right, which
again now I'm like, ooh, girl, like you just needed
some therapy and probably a big sister. You just needed
some therapy and a hug, but instead you listen to
Evanescence and we're really sad.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, And I remember being at that age and people
saying like, oh, emo means emotional, and like it does,
it does. And I had a very happy time as
a ten year old. But I was also like a
little baby goth because it was a fun thing to
do with my little friends, right, And we were all
shopping at Hot Topic, we were listening to Evanescence. We
(03:59):
were wearing all blacks on our free dress days at
school because we were uniforms. So when we could, it
was our little hot topic.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Looks were you? You were allowed to go to Hot Topic?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, I don't think my parents really knew that I
was going to hot topic. You know, there were moments
where we were allowed to hang out at the mall
with our little group of friends and with my little
like shillings whatever, whatever little money I had, I was
buying my little Jack Skellington merch for sure. Yeah. It
was it was all like it was all nightmare before Christmas. Goth,
(04:32):
you know, right, baby God, baby Goth. And then remember
I don't remember what this character was called, but there
was that bunny rabbit, Yes that had all those funny
little sayings. Yes, I don't remember what it was called,
but I wore a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Of that stuff too, that is so cute.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, those types of things, and we were into like
Sailor Moon and Kiki's delivery Service, like Studio ghibli stuff,
And I think that those films are also very much
about girls on a road to discovery, Yes, who are
around the same age, who are going through trials and
tribulations and obstacles and journeys. And I think that really
(05:09):
spoke to me and so and then like artists like
aver Lavine. I loved aver Levine, and so it just
all felt like there is that girly teenage angst. Yes,
so anything involving that I was loving.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, I definitely feel like I was an angsty little
little girl at that time, and yeah, there's just something
there's I mean, there's so much about being a girl, right,
but I think that time in particular, like I just
felt especially angsty. There was I think I remember a
lot of family transitions happening at that time, and so
it was just a rough time. And I think like
in that vein like I have also been going through
(05:46):
family transitions around this not around this time, but I
think just in the last several years. So I'm actively
connecting these thoughts I'm like, oh, this is why I'm
feeling a little awkward.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Maybe it's the awkward growing pains. It's a growth spurt.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's a growth spurt, and growth spirts are painful.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Very painful physically, emotionally even like the way that you
dress and the way that you look and what you
do for fun. And I just recently took my goddaughter shopping.
She just turned thirteen, and so she's used to shopping
literally in the little girl section, right, but she can't
shop there anymore. The clothes are not made for her anymore.
(06:23):
And so just seeing her kind of navigate that and
come to that realization and oh, I need to shop
in the women's section. Basically, you know, that's awkward. That's
very awkward. And I remember ten as being I think,
kind of like peak childhood, yes, And then after ten,
(06:44):
you start becoming a preteen, you know, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
and that's a whole different era, and your body is
changing and you're going through puberty and people start to
notice you as like as like you're pretty, boys want
to date you, whatever. But when you're ten, you know,
things are just so much more wholesome and simple and
(07:06):
you're just you're really in the in the thick of
being a kid. You know, That's how I felt at ten.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Anyways, Yeah, it's definitely like I think ten is monumental,
I think in relation to the podcast and then as
an actual child, right because it's your first double digit year,
and so it's like exciting, right because it's we made
it double digits. You're ten and exactly what you're saying,
You're a tween. You're not a teen yet, You're still
(07:33):
in that really in between. So there's this like limbo
awkwardness that I think is at the heart of being ten. Yeah,
which I think is kind of similar to what the
kind of growth that we've been having here on the show.
Don't go anywhere, Look Amotives, We'll be right.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Back, and we're back with more of our episode. It's
finding our voice again or our new voice and our
style and what's important to us and what's new, what
do we keep, what do we add? How do we
retain our core while still evolving and maturing and growing
(08:09):
And Yeah, in prepping for this episode, we talked about
how we saw so many similarities between that age in
our real lives and this age for the show.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, and looking back on the inception of lok At Tora,
I was twenty sixteen and that was nine years ago,
and in so many ways feels like yesterday, and in
other ways feels like that was so long ago. Who
were we even and even just listening to episodes from
back then, how young we sounded, the way we ran
(08:42):
the show right, the way we were producing it, which
we weren't even calling it producing back then and to now.
You know, I think look at Toa is like grown
up in so many ways. But I think what we
have been reflecting on is in some ways, the way
we're talking about in her child work for ourselves. It's
like there are some things that need to stay about
(09:04):
Loka Tora that are like Loka. It's like her own,
her own little her little girl in some ways, you know.
And we were actually we were even joking like Lokatta's
the eldest daughter, she's our first born, and it's like, yeah,
we put so much pressure on her. And I think
that anytime you put pressure on something that's creative and
(09:25):
something that's artistic, like you can very easily lose your
love for it. You can lose your north star, forget
like why I even started this because it just feels
like so much work, really stressful, and like do the
people even like it? When it's like, well, wait, I
started this with my friend because we wanted to and
because we loved it, and that's why we kept it going.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And we've started other shows, and then it's like, is
the first show getting all of the love and attention
that it needs and deserves? Much like is the eldest
daughter getting all the attention it deserves? Or are we
neglect the first the eldest because there's little baby shows, yeah,
that need cultivating and attention and how do we how
(10:08):
do we make sure everybody is getting taken care of?
And are we putting too much? Yeah? Pressure? Are we?
Are we putting the show to work? But are we
giving the show the fun and the love that it
needs to really shine?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah? And I think one of the things that helped
us connect those dots is we were talking about being
a kid and like wanting to be seen as older. Right,
you're a kid and you want to be treated like
an adult, and then you're an adult and you're like wait, wait, wait, yeah,
hold on, I'm baby, Like what do you mean? Yeah,
I can't make these grown ass decisions like I'm still
a teen bride, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
So I'm still a teen bride.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, and so what do you mean? And I think
that in that same vein, we have put a lot
of pressure on look At to like be super serious
and force her to grow in ways like that we
have maybe wanted me in particular, But then thinking the
core of the show is actually something a little different.
(11:05):
It's still serious, but in a different tone and in
a different format.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah. It's also I think similar to this idea of
doing the things that your child's self loved to do,
like as adults, we can still do them, you know, Like, yeah,
I used to love rollerblading. I can continue skating because
it was so fun. It's still so fun, you know.
(11:30):
Why not. I used to love watching Studio Ghibli. I
was watching Spirited Away last night, you know, because this
stuff spoke to me for a reason and made me
feel good. So why abandon it? Why not keep it?
And I think it's the same for the show. You know,
the reason listeners were listening and tuning in in the
first place is still the reason why they want to
(11:51):
tune in now. It's for the laughs. And the storytelling
and the analysis and our perspective on the world, and
the friendship that's behind all of it, and the way
that we relate to whatever topic that we're covering. You know,
we don't have to be CNN. CNN already exists. We
don't have to be NPR. There's already an NPR. You know.
(12:12):
We can really just be ourselves and let the show
be the show.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah. Yeah, in that vein. We also don't have to
just shoot the shit because I think that that is
something that we that kind of style of show where
we're kind of just sharing, right, that is also not
what this is. And I think we there have been
moments where like, Okay, it seems like that is what
how podcasts, especially the Latino podcasts, are moving, Like let's
(12:36):
try it, and we try it and we end up
not really liking it and it's fun. But it's not
what Loka is, right, and it's also not supposed to
be super newsy. It is not a strict journalist show. Sure,
is there journalistic integrity absolutely, Do we cite ourselves absolutely?
Do we make things up? No, But it's also not
(12:57):
hard journalism. There's no I wish one day one day,
but that's also not what it is. And so I
think in that they're with growing pains is also trying
new things and letting them go if it doesn't work,
which I think is something we've experienced a lot this season.
Is trying things in real time and still switching it up,
(13:19):
which can feel scary, at least for me. It can
feel like, but we said we were going to do this,
so we have to keep doing it. But actually, like,
why who said that? Why am I making that up?
We said it. We can do it because we're saying it,
you know what I mean? We can change our minds.
Don't go anywhere, Locomotives.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
our episode. It's also I think something that happens when
you're ten years old, and I think it happened to us,
is comparing yourself to other people. Yeah, right, And when
you're a ten year old and when you're in middle school,
there's a lot of comparisons. Your parents comparing you to
(13:58):
other kids. Why can't you be more like them? Or
their house is always so clean? Why can't we keep
our house back lean? And everybody is kind of having
the same conversation, everyone is comparing themselves to the next person.
And I think especially because of you know, social media
and the way that we see other podcasts operating, I
think it became very easy for us to compare ourselves
(14:21):
and our show to other shows, which is honestly so
unnecessary too, because, not to be shady, but a lot
of those shows don't last, you know, and they may
have a spike, they may have a moment, but do
they have the longevity that we've already had, you know.
And so just like when we were ten, you learn
eventually not to compare yourself to other people and to
(14:45):
figure your own way out. And I think that we've
had that experience with the show as well.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Absolutely, I remember falling into that trap really really intensely
as a ten year old. There was so there were
a couple people in particular the I would like constantly
compare myself to. They were older, and it just felt
like I need to do what they do and I
need to be as good as them. And it was
just constantly like this little like cloud in my mind
(15:15):
of I need to be as good as them, and
it just took away so much joy that I probably
could have felt at that age. But it comes with
I mean, there's so many layers right that I don't
want to get into. But I do think in relation
to what you're saying that when you're you're in the
space for so long and you see new folks come
(15:35):
in and you're like, should I be trying that? And
then you try it and you're like, oh, that doesn't
work for us, you know. And then it's also like
this really hard balance of wanting to grow and wanting
to grow the show but also like keeping things the
same but also letting it grow. And how do you
(15:56):
find that balance? And I think that this season has
been thataon of trying to find the balance.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, it's all about finding balance, and it's like these lessons.
It's like the same lessons over and over and over
again in different contexts. And for me as a ten
year old, the way I was comparing myself and then
eventually finding balance was specifically with things like plucking my eyebrows,
you know, like speaking of comparing myself like as this,
(16:22):
I remember in the sixth grade looking at the eighth
grade girls who were like bleaching their little mustaches and
getting their eyebrows waxed and then thinking to myself like, oh,
I want to I want to do my eyebrows and
then plucking them way too thin, you know, yes, And
then eventually you figure out like this looks horrible and
(16:43):
butchering myself, yes, and for what this is wild? And
then eventually you find your look and you figure your
face out and what looks good on you and what
you need to do and what you don't need to do,
and then you find like your your rhythm and your pace.
And I think of that too with the podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and this went beyond for me
ten years old. But there was a moment in middle
school where I started bleaching my arm hair.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Okay, yes, the arm hair stuff was huge in middle school.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So I started bleaching my arm hair because this girl
in our class was also bleaching her arm hair and
we could not wax at the time, and like you
couldn't you quote shouldn't shave it. So it's like, Okay,
I'm gonna bleach it. I would bleach it, and then
in high school I started waxing, and then eventually I
started shaving in college, and then it reached a point
(17:34):
where I was like why am I doing this? And
then I stopped that and I never touched it again.
And I'm really there's no reason for me to share this.
I'm just sharing it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's a great thing. Story brought it up.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, the plucking, the plucking of the eyebrows, I.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Mean, that's so why but why But at the time,
because I remember there was a girl in the sixth grade.
In the sixth grade, she was already shaving her legs,
she was shaving her arms, she was doing the whole thing.
Very advanced. I felt, yes, very advanced for a sixth grader,
but my mother would not let me same, you know.
And then I remember this girl was like, you should
(18:09):
try shaving and then you won't look like a gorilla.
But it's like stuff like that where it's like, you know,
me and my little friends were swinging from trees and
digging holes and like we were having sleepovers that were seances,
and we were like silly kids who like played. And
then there were the kids who were like a little
(18:30):
bit more mature, who maybe had like older siblings and
older cousins or I don't know what they were watching
or what was going on, but they were just like
on a different level. And so then a comment like
that then like oh wait what, Yeah, I hadn't. It
hadn't computed for me that there was an issue that
I was so hairy until she pointed it out. And
(18:52):
it's moments like that that that then make you feel like,
oh I need to change something, Yes, I need to
fix something.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yes, it's really easy to try to find things to fix, right.
It's like in Spanish, it's like non us Cso it's
like don't like if you want, you can find something, sure, yeah,
but why.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's harder I think at that age to find something
you love about yourself, yes, then to find something you dislike.
It's much easier to find something you dislike about yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I mean, even as an adult, it's sometimes can be
really hard to find things you love about yourself or
even like about yourself, you know, because I think liking
is a really it can be you like, you don't
always like the people you love, especially in families. But
I think that like liking yourself and loving yourself is
equally important, and it can be really easy to struggle
(19:47):
to find some of those things sometimes.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, because love is sort of this, I think in
a way, you're almost hardwired to love, like it's it's
built into you. But like when you like something, it's oh,
like that that tickles my fancy.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yes, I'm going to keep coming back to this thing
or this person because I really like it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't have to, yeah, because I'm not hardwired, you know,
to like deeply love and care about this thing. But
I like it. It makes me smile, yeah, you know.
And could I live without it maybe, but I don't
want to. Yeah, I want to keep it because I
think it's cool.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. And I think for Loka Tora, it's
like finding remembering the things that we like about the show.
What is it that we love about the show. And
also I think the core of the show is has
always and will always be the audience, right, And so
it really is keeping in mind, like what is it
(20:47):
that you the listener wants, and what is it that
you the listener enjoy And at the top of the season,
we'd release some surveys and some of the I would
say common feedback was that sometimes there were too many
interviews and that sometimes the local thought I was too heavy.
And so it's really that conflict, that internal conflict internal
(21:12):
as a team of like there are really intense things
going on in the world, and we would be remiss
not to discuss them, especially the year that Los Angeles
has had. At the same time, this is not a
news show. At the same time, there are many listeners
that can get their news from either an actual newspaper
(21:33):
right whether that be digitally or in print, who can
listen to the radio, who can listen to NPR, who
can watch local news and get their information that way.
And actually they want to listen to a podcast to disconnect,
to laugh, to feel connected, and it really is finding
that balance. And I think that we've tried really hard
(21:53):
this year, this season in particular to cover the really
important things because they affect our community even and if
they don't affect our community, they're really important to the world,
but also like bringing the laughs right and bringing some levity,
so like really challenging times, and I think that's what
we did really well in twenty sixteen. Obviously Trump was elected,
We covered the Me Too movement, we covered them defense,
(22:16):
we covered all kinds of things in the early days
of lok at Tora, but we still like brought the laughs,
and I think that that's what we've really been trying
to find again this season.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, it's like the podcast is not a research paper,
but it's also not a diary, and it's more like
a memoir.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's an archive.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's an archive. It's an archive, but I think even
less formal than an archive. Really, Yes, I think we
call it an archive, but I think it's a memoir.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And we joke all the time, like when we're doing
things and experiencing things, Oh, it's for the memoirs or
the memoirs. That is the memoirs.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
That's our inside joke with each other. Whenever we go
through something really challenging or really fun, like we had
this for example, if we had a really cool meeting
with someone, or we had a really great lunch with someone,
we're like.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh, it's for the memoirs, for the memoirs.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
We'll talk about it later. We'll tell our grandkids about
it later.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's like kind of that energy, right.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And then our grandkids can say, my grandma was a podcaster.
It's all for that, it's all for the future.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
My grandmother was an archivist.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
My grandmother was an audio archivist. So I think as
we as we wrap up this conversation, it really makes
me think about not only embracing my inner child as
a person, as a human being, but embracing the inner
child of the show, and loving the inner child of
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the show, and remembering and loving and protecting and nurturing
the parts of the show that got us to where
we are today. Because if it wasn't for young Us
and young look at Tora, we wouldn't have the iHeart contract,
we wouldn't be in the studio. Those are the things
that brought us here, along with a lot of other factors.
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You know, it's never just one thing. It's so much.
But I think the inner light and the core and
the energy goes back to the friendship, goes back to
us existing in the world as latinas in this day
and age, and how things that are happening around us
relate back to us and in turn to our audience,
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and how we can look at serious topics and cope
through our comedy and cope through our perspective and analysis
and finding community. And again, we don't have to put
out Nobel Prize winning work, although we would love to
one day.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I would love to win a pold Surfer podcasting putting
that out there.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yes, we would also love a Peabody. Yes, we would
also love a MacArthur Genius Fellowship. Yes, yeah, I do,
Yes we do, Yes we do. And that's the thing too,
is we still are high achieving, but I think there's
a way as artists to do all of it, to
do all of it. And so yeah, it's like being
kind to myself, being kind to the show and loving
(25:10):
us all the way around.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Absolutely, And I think for me, I echo everything you've
said and that you said it so beautifully, and I
think for me it's also finding the love and the work. Again.
I think the last two years we've grown so much,
we've grown the slate that it was really easy to
focus on being burnt out because I was, and really
easy to just focus on how challenging the work was
(25:35):
and how there wasn't enough time and how the team
is so small, and like kind of getting in that
really like almost negative cycle, right, and that loop of
like this is so hard and this is so much work,
and yes, I acknowledge that all those things are true.
This is not like a toxic positivity spin, but like
it's also so hard. But I'm this is also what
I wanted. I really wanted to do this full time
(25:57):
I really wanted to grow multiple shows right and grow
as Slate, and I did those things and we did
them and it was really hard, but we did it.
And so that perspective too is like, but this is
what you asked for, yes, you know, and so that
doesn't mean that it goes without its challenges, but also
like really remembering that, like I love this, and I
think that that is something that I've really tried to
(26:20):
focus on this season, is instead of really giving myself
like the room to work, but also the room to
be creative. And I think that the last two years
I was not in the creative headspace. It was just work,
work and schedule. But like, you can't do this type
of work without the creativity because it then it really
(26:41):
does just feel like work, right, And so I think
that for me, this season has been about like remembering
why I love this, remembering the creative process, enjoying it,
and giving myself the room to like make mistakes or
change my mind or be open to doing things differently,
open to being on video, like all these things that
(27:02):
have been challenging, but just embracing the newness and embracing
the being vulnerable in a new and different way.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah. Yeah, the video has been a big piece of it.
I think that we were kind of like kicking and
screaming and dragging our feet and sort of like being
pulled by the hair into video. And it's I agree.
It's really been about like the mindset about it and
having a positive attitude and remembering like, oh no, this
is fun. And we did do video in our own
(27:29):
way before I did and had a lot of fun
with it. Yes, you know, if it feels like we're
being forced to do it, it's never going to feel fun.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's that resistiveness, you know, I think by nature too,
like RACISTO, I'm like, if I have to do something,
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
But when we were doing it at Espasio with just
one camera, no lighting, we loved it. We were like,
how fun. We're gonna put it on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And then this I think pressure right that the podcast
has to be and this is across the industry, right,
podcasts have to be on video for the most part
if it makes sense for you, and I think for
this show it does make sense, right, and giving it
that space to also do that too and and hopefully
find an audience in a new way.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, look, at us, Go us, go team, Go Jackie.
We did it, Stephanie, Go Stephanie.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We have a growing team, y'all, and that has definitely
made this work more enjoyable for me. Jackie, my lifelong
best friend, has joined the team. We've like talked about
it here and there throughout this last couple of episodes,
but she's joined the team as a creative strategist and
project manager. Stephanie og listener, audio editor, now producer and
(28:39):
of course us your host, the founders, the faces, the talent,
the talent, the beauties of the archivists, the podcasting, Yes,
the memoirs.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
The memoiris your faves and don't you forget it?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What is for listening to another episode of Look Radio.
We'll catch you next time, Bessie. Loka to A Radio
is executive produced by Viosa Fem and Mala Munios.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Stephanie Franco is our producer.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Story editing by Medosa.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Creative direction by me Mala.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
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Speaker 2 (29:16):
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Speaker 2 (29:24):
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Speaker 1 (29:29):
Besitos Loka
Do you feel a little awkward in this season?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Oh? Absolutely, I feel super awkward, and I feel like
it's because the podcast is ten years old and ten
is an awkward year.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Ten is so awkward. Let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's talk about it. I remember being a ten year old.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
That was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Now I can't believe it. It was a really long
time ago. Already.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh la la, look, I'm what is I'm Diosa and
I'm Mala. Today we're talking about awkward growing phases. This
is our tenth season and our ninth year of podcasting,
and there's been some awkward growing phases, some reflections, and
I think, just broadly speaking, we're at a cultural moment
(00:43):
where so many people are talking about doing especially therapized people, right,
doing inner child work, do the thing little little you liked, right,
That's something I see a lot, and just embracing your
inner weird girl. The nostalgia is obviously everywhere, and even
this idea of like, I'm just a thirty something teenage girl.
(01:05):
So I think we want to explore all of that
but also talk about ourselves and how that relates to
the growth of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, the podcast was is ten we were once ten
and what were we doing when we were ten years old?
All kinds of weird fun shit. I loved being ten.
It was awkward, it was uncomfortable in a lot of ways,
but I think ultimately I had a lot of fun
and I love thinking about that time in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I hated that timeframe. I did not like being a
ten year old, which sounds so ridiculous to say as
a thirty something old. I'm like, I hated being ten,
But I think that that was a those couple of
years between like being ten, like being in middle school.
I think middle school was really rough for me, and
(01:55):
those are years that I've actively repressed, and I have
decided to dig up for the sake of this episode, for.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The sake of entertainment, Yeah, and storytelling.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Share with us your trauma, share with us, tell us.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I think about being the new girl. So I was
at a new school, and I had social anxiety, and
I was just a little weird, depressed girl, And so
I think I was just trying to figure myself out
in the way that you can when you're ten, right,
and then having these family pressures being the daughter, and
I just remember middle school being really hard because my
(02:32):
dad just put so much pressure on me as a
kid to be this like excellent student. And so I think,
just think for all those reasons, school was just not
enjoyable for me, even though I liked to learn and
I liked school, But there were so many reasons at
school was not enjoyable for me, and that was one
of them. And so I think when I look back
at that time, that was when I was really thinking
(02:54):
about not really understanding what mental health was. But I
can pinpoint like, oh, that I was really depressed those years,
and I like in the way that a kid can
be depressed, right, And so that meant for me because
of what I had access to being like an emo kid,
because it's like, oh, this is the pain and the
emotions that I'm feeling. Yeah, so I'm going to listen
(03:16):
to Evanescence, yes, and just feel like I'm going through
it because I am a ten year old right, which
again now I'm like, ooh, girl, like you just needed
some therapy and probably a big sister. You just needed
some therapy and a hug, but instead you listen to
Evanescence and we're really sad.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, And I remember being at that age and people
saying like, oh, emo means emotional, and like it does,
it does. And I had a very happy time as
a ten year old. But I was also like a
little baby goth because it was a fun thing to
do with my little friends, right, And we were all
shopping at Hot Topic, we were listening to Evanescence. We
(03:59):
were wearing all blacks on our free dress days at
school because we were uniforms. So when we could, it
was our little hot topic.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Looks were you? You were allowed to go to Hot Topic?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, I don't think my parents really knew that I
was going to hot topic. You know, there were moments
where we were allowed to hang out at the mall
with our little group of friends and with my little
like shillings whatever, whatever little money I had, I was
buying my little Jack Skellington merch for sure. Yeah. It
was it was all like it was all nightmare before Christmas. Goth,
(04:32):
you know, right, baby God, baby Goth. And then remember
I don't remember what this character was called, but there
was that bunny rabbit, Yes that had all those funny
little sayings. Yes, I don't remember what it was called,
but I wore a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Of that stuff too, that is so cute.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, those types of things, and we were into like
Sailor Moon and Kiki's delivery Service, like Studio ghibli stuff,
And I think that those films are also very much
about girls on a road to discovery, Yes, who are
around the same age, who are going through trials and
tribulations and obstacles and journeys. And I think that really
(05:09):
spoke to me and so and then like artists like
aver Lavine. I loved aver Levine, and so it just
all felt like there is that girly teenage angst. Yes,
so anything involving that I was loving.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, I definitely feel like I was an angsty little
little girl at that time, and yeah, there's just something
there's I mean, there's so much about being a girl, right,
but I think that time in particular, like I just
felt especially angsty. There was I think I remember a
lot of family transitions happening at that time, and so
it was just a rough time. And I think like
in that vein like I have also been going through
(05:46):
family transitions around this not around this time, but I
think just in the last several years. So I'm actively
connecting these thoughts I'm like, oh, this is why I'm
feeling a little awkward.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Maybe it's the awkward growing pains. It's a growth spurt.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
It's a growth spurt, and growth spirts are painful.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Very painful physically, emotionally even like the way that you
dress and the way that you look and what you
do for fun. And I just recently took my goddaughter shopping.
She just turned thirteen, and so she's used to shopping
literally in the little girl section, right, but she can't
shop there anymore. The clothes are not made for her anymore.
(06:23):
And so just seeing her kind of navigate that and
come to that realization and oh, I need to shop
in the women's section. Basically, you know, that's awkward. That's
very awkward. And I remember ten as being I think,
kind of like peak childhood, yes, And then after ten,
(06:44):
you start becoming a preteen, you know, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
and that's a whole different era, and your body is
changing and you're going through puberty and people start to
notice you as like as like you're pretty, boys want
to date you, whatever. But when you're ten, you know,
things are just so much more wholesome and simple and
(07:06):
you're just you're really in the in the thick of
being a kid. You know, That's how I felt at ten.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Anyways, Yeah, it's definitely like I think ten is monumental,
I think in relation to the podcast and then as
an actual child, right because it's your first double digit year,
and so it's like exciting, right because it's we made
it double digits. You're ten and exactly what you're saying,
You're a tween. You're not a teen yet, You're still
(07:33):
in that really in between. So there's this like limbo
awkwardness that I think is at the heart of being ten. Yeah,
which I think is kind of similar to what the
kind of growth that we've been having here on the show.
Don't go anywhere, Look Amotives, We'll be right.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Back, and we're back with more of our episode. It's
finding our voice again or our new voice and our
style and what's important to us and what's new, what
do we keep, what do we add? How do we
retain our core while still evolving and maturing and growing
(08:09):
And Yeah, in prepping for this episode, we talked about
how we saw so many similarities between that age in
our real lives and this age for the show.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, and looking back on the inception of lok At Tora,
I was twenty sixteen and that was nine years ago,
and in so many ways feels like yesterday, and in
other ways feels like that was so long ago. Who
were we even and even just listening to episodes from
back then, how young we sounded, the way we ran
(08:42):
the show right, the way we were producing it, which
we weren't even calling it producing back then and to now.
You know, I think look at Toa is like grown
up in so many ways. But I think what we
have been reflecting on is in some ways, the way
we're talking about in her child work for ourselves. It's
like there are some things that need to stay about
(09:04):
Loka Tora that are like Loka. It's like her own,
her own little her little girl in some ways, you know.
And we were actually we were even joking like Lokatta's
the eldest daughter, she's our first born, and it's like, yeah,
we put so much pressure on her. And I think
that anytime you put pressure on something that's creative and
(09:25):
something that's artistic, like you can very easily lose your
love for it. You can lose your north star, forget
like why I even started this because it just feels
like so much work, really stressful, and like do the
people even like it? When it's like, well, wait, I
started this with my friend because we wanted to and
because we loved it, and that's why we kept it going.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And we've started other shows, and then it's like, is
the first show getting all of the love and attention
that it needs and deserves? Much like is the eldest
daughter getting all the attention it deserves? Or are we
neglect the first the eldest because there's little baby shows, yeah,
that need cultivating and attention and how do we how
(10:08):
do we make sure everybody is getting taken care of?
And are we putting too much? Yeah? Pressure? Are we?
Are we putting the show to work? But are we
giving the show the fun and the love that it
needs to really shine?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah? And I think one of the things that helped
us connect those dots is we were talking about being
a kid and like wanting to be seen as older. Right,
you're a kid and you want to be treated like
an adult, and then you're an adult and you're like wait, wait, wait, yeah,
hold on, I'm baby, Like what do you mean? Yeah,
I can't make these grown ass decisions like I'm still
a teen bride, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
So I'm still a teen bride.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, and so what do you mean? And I think
that in that same vein, we have put a lot
of pressure on look At to like be super serious
and force her to grow in ways like that we
have maybe wanted me in particular, But then thinking the
core of the show is actually something a little different.
(11:05):
It's still serious, but in a different tone and in
a different format.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah. It's also I think similar to this idea of
doing the things that your child's self loved to do,
like as adults, we can still do them, you know, Like, yeah,
I used to love rollerblading. I can continue skating because
it was so fun. It's still so fun, you know.
(11:30):
Why not. I used to love watching Studio Ghibli. I
was watching Spirited Away last night, you know, because this
stuff spoke to me for a reason and made me
feel good. So why abandon it? Why not keep it?
And I think it's the same for the show. You know,
the reason listeners were listening and tuning in in the
first place is still the reason why they want to
(11:51):
tune in now. It's for the laughs. And the storytelling
and the analysis and our perspective on the world, and
the friendship that's behind all of it, and the way
that we relate to whatever topic that we're covering. You know,
we don't have to be CNN. CNN already exists. We
don't have to be NPR. There's already an NPR. You know.
(12:12):
We can really just be ourselves and let the show
be the show.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah. Yeah, in that vein. We also don't have to
just shoot the shit because I think that that is
something that we that kind of style of show where
we're kind of just sharing, right, that is also not
what this is. And I think we there have been
moments where like, Okay, it seems like that is what
how podcasts, especially the Latino podcasts, are moving, Like let's
(12:36):
try it, and we try it and we end up
not really liking it and it's fun. But it's not
what Loka is, right, and it's also not supposed to
be super newsy. It is not a strict journalist show. Sure,
is there journalistic integrity absolutely, Do we cite ourselves absolutely?
Do we make things up? No, But it's also not
(12:57):
hard journalism. There's no I wish one day one day,
but that's also not what it is. And so I
think in that they're with growing pains is also trying
new things and letting them go if it doesn't work,
which I think is something we've experienced a lot this season.
Is trying things in real time and still switching it up,
(13:19):
which can feel scary, at least for me. It can
feel like, but we said we were going to do this,
so we have to keep doing it. But actually, like,
why who said that? Why am I making that up?
We said it. We can do it because we're saying it,
you know what I mean? We can change our minds.
Don't go anywhere, Locomotives.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
our episode. It's also I think something that happens when
you're ten years old, and I think it happened to us,
is comparing yourself to other people. Yeah, right, And when
you're a ten year old and when you're in middle school,
there's a lot of comparisons. Your parents comparing you to
(13:58):
other kids. Why can't you be more like them? Or
their house is always so clean? Why can't we keep
our house back lean? And everybody is kind of having
the same conversation, everyone is comparing themselves to the next person.
And I think especially because of you know, social media
and the way that we see other podcasts operating, I
think it became very easy for us to compare ourselves
(14:21):
and our show to other shows, which is honestly so
unnecessary too, because, not to be shady, but a lot
of those shows don't last, you know, and they may
have a spike, they may have a moment, but do
they have the longevity that we've already had, you know.
And so just like when we were ten, you learn
eventually not to compare yourself to other people and to
(14:45):
figure your own way out. And I think that we've
had that experience with the show as well.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Absolutely, I remember falling into that trap really really intensely
as a ten year old. There was so there were
a couple people in particular the I would like constantly
compare myself to. They were older, and it just felt
like I need to do what they do and I
need to be as good as them. And it was
just constantly like this little like cloud in my mind
(15:15):
of I need to be as good as them, and
it just took away so much joy that I probably
could have felt at that age. But it comes with
I mean, there's so many layers right that I don't
want to get into. But I do think in relation
to what you're saying that when you're you're in the
space for so long and you see new folks come
(15:35):
in and you're like, should I be trying that? And
then you try it and you're like, oh, that doesn't
work for us, you know. And then it's also like
this really hard balance of wanting to grow and wanting
to grow the show but also like keeping things the
same but also letting it grow. And how do you
(15:56):
find that balance? And I think that this season has
been thataon of trying to find the balance.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, it's all about finding balance, and it's like these lessons.
It's like the same lessons over and over and over
again in different contexts. And for me as a ten
year old, the way I was comparing myself and then
eventually finding balance was specifically with things like plucking my eyebrows,
you know, like speaking of comparing myself like as this,
(16:22):
I remember in the sixth grade looking at the eighth
grade girls who were like bleaching their little mustaches and
getting their eyebrows waxed and then thinking to myself like, oh,
I want to I want to do my eyebrows and
then plucking them way too thin, you know, yes, And
then eventually you figure out like this looks horrible and
(16:43):
butchering myself, yes, and for what this is wild? And
then eventually you find your look and you figure your
face out and what looks good on you and what
you need to do and what you don't need to do,
and then you find like your your rhythm and your pace.
And I think of that too with the podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and this went beyond for me
ten years old. But there was a moment in middle
school where I started bleaching my arm hair.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Okay, yes, the arm hair stuff was huge in middle school.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So I started bleaching my arm hair because this girl
in our class was also bleaching her arm hair and
we could not wax at the time, and like you
couldn't you quote shouldn't shave it. So it's like, Okay,
I'm gonna bleach it. I would bleach it, and then
in high school I started waxing, and then eventually I
started shaving in college, and then it reached a point
(17:34):
where I was like why am I doing this? And
then I stopped that and I never touched it again.
And I'm really there's no reason for me to share this.
I'm just sharing it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's a great thing. Story brought it up.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, the plucking, the plucking of the eyebrows, I.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Mean, that's so why but why But at the time,
because I remember there was a girl in the sixth grade.
In the sixth grade, she was already shaving her legs,
she was shaving her arms, she was doing the whole thing.
Very advanced. I felt, yes, very advanced for a sixth grader,
but my mother would not let me same, you know.
And then I remember this girl was like, you should
(18:09):
try shaving and then you won't look like a gorilla.
But it's like stuff like that where it's like, you know,
me and my little friends were swinging from trees and
digging holes and like we were having sleepovers that were seances,
and we were like silly kids who like played. And
then there were the kids who were like a little
(18:30):
bit more mature, who maybe had like older siblings and
older cousins or I don't know what they were watching
or what was going on, but they were just like
on a different level. And so then a comment like
that then like oh wait what, Yeah, I hadn't. It
hadn't computed for me that there was an issue that
I was so hairy until she pointed it out. And
(18:52):
it's moments like that that that then make you feel like,
oh I need to change something, Yes, I need to
fix something.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yes, it's really easy to try to find things to fix, right.
It's like in Spanish, it's like non us Cso it's
like don't like if you want, you can find something, sure, yeah,
but why.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's harder I think at that age to find something
you love about yourself, yes, then to find something you dislike.
It's much easier to find something you dislike about yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I mean, even as an adult, it's sometimes can be
really hard to find things you love about yourself or
even like about yourself, you know, because I think liking
is a really it can be you like, you don't
always like the people you love, especially in families. But
I think that like liking yourself and loving yourself is
equally important, and it can be really easy to struggle
(19:47):
to find some of those things sometimes.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, because love is sort of this, I think in
a way, you're almost hardwired to love, like it's it's
built into you. But like when you like something, it's oh,
like that that tickles my fancy.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yes, I'm going to keep coming back to this thing
or this person because I really like it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't have to, yeah, because I'm not hardwired, you know,
to like deeply love and care about this thing. But
I like it. It makes me smile, yeah, you know.
And could I live without it maybe, but I don't
want to. Yeah, I want to keep it because I
think it's cool.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. And I think for Loka Tora, it's
like finding remembering the things that we like about the show.
What is it that we love about the show. And
also I think the core of the show is has
always and will always be the audience, right, And so
it really is keeping in mind, like what is it
(20:47):
that you the listener wants, and what is it that
you the listener enjoy And at the top of the season,
we'd release some surveys and some of the I would
say common feedback was that sometimes there were too many
interviews and that sometimes the local thought I was too heavy.
And so it's really that conflict, that internal conflict internal
(21:12):
as a team of like there are really intense things
going on in the world, and we would be remiss
not to discuss them, especially the year that Los Angeles
has had. At the same time, this is not a
news show. At the same time, there are many listeners
that can get their news from either an actual newspaper
(21:33):
right whether that be digitally or in print, who can
listen to the radio, who can listen to NPR, who
can watch local news and get their information that way.
And actually they want to listen to a podcast to disconnect,
to laugh, to feel connected, and it really is finding
that balance. And I think that we've tried really hard
(21:53):
this year, this season in particular to cover the really
important things because they affect our community even and if
they don't affect our community, they're really important to the world,
but also like bringing the laughs right and bringing some levity,
so like really challenging times, and I think that's what
we did really well in twenty sixteen. Obviously Trump was elected,
We covered the Me Too movement, we covered them defense,
(22:16):
we covered all kinds of things in the early days
of lok at Tora, but we still like brought the laughs,
and I think that that's what we've really been trying
to find again this season.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, it's like the podcast is not a research paper,
but it's also not a diary, and it's more like
a memoir.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's an archive.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's an archive. It's an archive, but I think even
less formal than an archive. Really, Yes, I think we
call it an archive, but I think it's a memoir.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And we joke all the time, like when we're doing
things and experiencing things, Oh, it's for the memoirs or
the memoirs. That is the memoirs.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
That's our inside joke with each other. Whenever we go
through something really challenging or really fun, like we had
this for example, if we had a really cool meeting
with someone, or we had a really great lunch with someone,
we're like.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh, it's for the memoirs, for the memoirs.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
We'll talk about it later. We'll tell our grandkids about
it later.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's like kind of that energy, right.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And then our grandkids can say, my grandma was a podcaster.
It's all for that, it's all for the future.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
My grandmother was an archivist.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
My grandmother was an audio archivist. So I think as
we as we wrap up this conversation, it really makes
me think about not only embracing my inner child as
a person, as a human being, but embracing the inner
child of the show, and loving the inner child of
(23:43):
the show, and remembering and loving and protecting and nurturing
the parts of the show that got us to where
we are today. Because if it wasn't for young Us
and young look at Tora, we wouldn't have the iHeart contract,
we wouldn't be in the studio. Those are the things
that brought us here, along with a lot of other factors.
(24:04):
You know, it's never just one thing. It's so much.
But I think the inner light and the core and
the energy goes back to the friendship, goes back to
us existing in the world as latinas in this day
and age, and how things that are happening around us
relate back to us and in turn to our audience,
(24:25):
and how we can look at serious topics and cope
through our comedy and cope through our perspective and analysis
and finding community. And again, we don't have to put
out Nobel Prize winning work, although we would love to
one day.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I would love to win a pold Surfer podcasting putting
that out there.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yes, we would also love a Peabody. Yes, we would
also love a MacArthur Genius Fellowship. Yes, yeah, I do,
Yes we do, Yes we do. And that's the thing too,
is we still are high achieving, but I think there's
a way as artists to do all of it, to
do all of it. And so yeah, it's like being
kind to myself, being kind to the show and loving
(25:10):
us all the way around.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Absolutely, And I think for me, I echo everything you've
said and that you said it so beautifully, and I
think for me it's also finding the love and the work. Again.
I think the last two years we've grown so much,
we've grown the slate that it was really easy to
focus on being burnt out because I was, and really
easy to just focus on how challenging the work was
(25:35):
and how there wasn't enough time and how the team
is so small, and like kind of getting in that
really like almost negative cycle, right, and that loop of
like this is so hard and this is so much work,
and yes, I acknowledge that all those things are true.
This is not like a toxic positivity spin, but like
it's also so hard. But I'm this is also what
I wanted. I really wanted to do this full time
(25:57):
I really wanted to grow multiple shows right and grow
as Slate, and I did those things and we did
them and it was really hard, but we did it.
And so that perspective too is like, but this is
what you asked for, yes, you know, and so that
doesn't mean that it goes without its challenges, but also
like really remembering that, like I love this, and I
think that that is something that I've really tried to
(26:20):
focus on this season, is instead of really giving myself
like the room to work, but also the room to
be creative. And I think that the last two years
I was not in the creative headspace. It was just work,
work and schedule. But like, you can't do this type
of work without the creativity because it then it really
(26:41):
does just feel like work, right, And so I think
that for me, this season has been about like remembering
why I love this, remembering the creative process, enjoying it,
and giving myself the room to like make mistakes or
change my mind or be open to doing things differently,
open to being on video, like all these things that
(27:02):
have been challenging, but just embracing the newness and embracing
the being vulnerable in a new and different way.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah. Yeah, the video has been a big piece of it.
I think that we were kind of like kicking and
screaming and dragging our feet and sort of like being
pulled by the hair into video. And it's I agree.
It's really been about like the mindset about it and
having a positive attitude and remembering like, oh no, this
is fun. And we did do video in our own
(27:29):
way before I did and had a lot of fun
with it. Yes, you know, if it feels like we're
being forced to do it, it's never going to feel fun.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's that resistiveness, you know, I think by nature too,
like RACISTO, I'm like, if I have to do something,
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
But when we were doing it at Espasio with just
one camera, no lighting, we loved it. We were like,
how fun. We're gonna put it on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And then this I think pressure right that the podcast
has to be and this is across the industry, right,
podcasts have to be on video for the most part
if it makes sense for you, and I think for
this show it does make sense, right, and giving it
that space to also do that too and and hopefully
find an audience in a new way.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, look, at us, Go us, go team, Go Jackie.
We did it, Stephanie, Go Stephanie.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We have a growing team, y'all, and that has definitely
made this work more enjoyable for me. Jackie, my lifelong
best friend, has joined the team. We've like talked about
it here and there throughout this last couple of episodes,
but she's joined the team as a creative strategist and
project manager. Stephanie og listener, audio editor, now producer and
(28:39):
of course us your host, the founders, the faces, the talent,
the talent, the beauties of the archivists, the podcasting, Yes,
the memoirs.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
The memoiris your faves and don't you forget it?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What is for listening to another episode of Look Radio.
We'll catch you next time, Bessie. Loka to A Radio
is executive produced by Viosa Fem and Mala Munios.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Stephanie Franco is our producer.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Story editing by Medosa.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Creative direction by me Mala.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Lok A Radio is a part of iHeartRadio's Michael Dura
podcast network.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You can listen to Loka to Radio on the iHeartRadio
app or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Leave us a review and share with your prima or
share with your homegirl.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
And thank you to our local morees, to our listeners
for tuning in each and every week.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Besitos Loka
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