September 10, 2025 • 27 mins
In this episode, Diosa and Mala speak with LA City Councilmember Eunisses Hernandez about the ICE raids in Los Angeles and the direct attack on immigrant communities. Together, they discuss how to protect our communities, the power and limits cities hold, and why predominately Black and Brown communities are targeted. Councilmember Hernandez plans to run for re-election and shares what it means to be a voice for her district during a tense summer in Los Angeles.
NOTE: This interview was recorded before the Supreme Court Ruling on September 8th, 2025.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look ready, O la la loka moorees, I'm viosa and
I'm mala. Today. We are in conversation with Council Member
Uniss Ernandez. On September ninth, twenty twenty five, the Supreme
Court overturned a federal judge's order that prohibited federal agents
in Los Angeles from stopping and questioning people based on
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their immigration status. Essentially, this ruling empowers federal agents to
racially profile anyone. In a press conference with Chidla Aclu
and Dolan and others, Council Member Nissa sat Nandez condemns
the Supreme Court's ruling, saying this decision codifies bigotry and
reversing individual liberties. Here's Council Member Etnandez.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This isn't about making America great again. Over seventy percent
of the people ice tising custody. I've no criminal records.
It's never been about criminals. Has never been about people
who have anything on the records.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's been about who they don't want to see in
this country anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
They're starting with Latinos and they.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Will be in twenty twenty two. Since she's been in office,
she has passed progressive policy. She is the first openly
abolitionist on council and has been showing up for her
district and broader la in the wake of ice raids
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all over Los Angeles. In this interview, we talked to
her about how she and her office are responding the
power the federal government has in cities and states, and
also how she's taking care of herself as a brown
woman in city council. Here's our interview with council Member
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Onisis and Nandez.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
This summer ice raids have created fear, empty spaces and
a city on edge. Many in our community are left
wondering how and why federal agents have access to this power,
an ability to move so freely in our neighborhoods, nappings
on the street, to entering school graduations and school grounds,
as well as hospitals. In this episode, we dive deep
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into what's actually happening behind the scenes, unpacked the legal realities,
and the urgent need for community protection. Council Member Hernandez,
thank you so much for joining us today. Can you
please say hello to our listeners.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I thank you so much for having me today.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
This is the only to say none discuncilwoman for the
first here in the city of Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It has been quite an eventful summer in Los Angeles
and continues as we can get closer to fall. It
seems that it's going to continue to be eventful, and
especially for immigrant communities, for Latino communities and just folks
in LA right, and so just want to start by
asking how are you doing, how are you feeling, and like,
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how are you staying grounded as an elected official but
also a person who has been doing the work even
before you were elected.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, you know, this is the it's been tough.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
The immigration rates have been going on for over ten
weeks now, and a lot of it has been in
my district, from the home depot in cybrus Park to
the home depot in Westlake to the neighborhood of Westlake.
MacArthur Park was overrun with them for a TikTok video.
They brought their horses flags. It's been terrifying for my
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district in particular, but throughout the southern California region up
the state and now what we're seeing in DC and
in other parts of the country. And for the first
three weeks of this, it was really touch and go.
I don't think people understood the seriousness of what was happening.
Where As local elected as a part of the government structure,
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we were trying to prevent martial law from taking hold
of the city. We were working to prevent the federalization
of our local law enforcement of LAPD and the sheriffs,
as we've seen happen in DC. That's what we were
trying to prevent. And we saw time and time again
where I felt like the federal government was creating opportunities
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to increase the hostility and violence, to create more reason
for them to be here. I was there when they
were at Dodger Stadium, when you know, we had to
figure out a plan to make sure that didn't escalate
so the National Guard wouldn't be at Dodger Stadium outside
of people's homes. And now we're at a place where
we have a restraining order in place. We're still seeing though,
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there are what appear to be indiscriminate raids happening throughout
the region, even after the restraining order, as we saw
them in West Say Home Depot when they jumped out
of the Penske truck. We know that those videos, pictures witnesses.
That evidence has been collected by the attorneys on our
restraining order case and is being submitted to the courts
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to see what are the next legal steps. There is
really no playbooks in this country for when our own
armed forces are used against its own people, its own citizens,
its own commune members.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You know where has existed in though in other parts
of this.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Country and the world, I mean where this country has
taken over or helped put people in power, you know,
when we have removed like presidents and leaders and other
countries that kind of takeover. There's that's that's what this
feels like. And so for a long time we were
for weeks again what's the pathway to protect our people?
So when you ask me how I'm doing, you know,
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it's I'm the daughter. I'm I'm the daughter of immigrants,
my community. You everybody knows someone who's an immigrant in
the city where city of immigrants. Whole industries and economies
are built by the hands and labor of immigrants.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So I know what impacts all of us.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And I'm feeling better now, But it was quite difficult
because just how close all the impacts are. You know,
people I know people that have self deported and just
because it's it's just too much. And so how I
stay grounded is by going out there and being with community.
There are people who aren't documented, who are mixed immigrant status,
who are showing up in community for their community, even
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as terrified as they are out at vigils. And so
I do I go back to those places where community's
at to be next to brave people. So hopefully that
rubs off a little bit on me, because you know,
in these moments where you're kind of faced with, well,
the federal government has all the power.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
What do you do if you're local elected like you
don't want to feel powerless.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So that's where I go back to the people community
MacArthur Park, West Sick or all of our neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But it's been rough the locations within Los Angeles that
you mentioned where ice raids have taken place, where the
National Guard has shown up, Dodger Stadium, MacArthur Park, Little Tokyo.
What is the message that is being sent to our
community when these of the city are used as hunting
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grounds and as photo ops by these federal agencies.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We have to know that it's very intentional.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
We have to recognize that what they're doing is exploiting
harms that have occurred in the past and letting people
know we can go into any neighborhood and take over
a park. And that's on that day I said in
a press province, we are the canary in the coal
mine Los Angeles. What you see happening here is going
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to happen in other places because of their new ice
budget that they have. It's in the billions upon billions,
and so it's not on accident that they're literally bringing
out federal immigration enforcement on the same sidewalk in Little
Tokyo where people were taking from the neighborhood and put
into camps. It's not by accident that they went to
MacArthur Park, which is the Ellis Island of the West Coast,
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which they did nothing but walk the park and scare
little kids that were a summer camp like this is
not by accident. And at Dodger Stadium of being already
a place where it was that was taken from community,
you know, Laloma, Bishop and Palo Verde, and to see
them being there again felt like a trap.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I was there. They give different reasons why they wouldn't leave.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
First, they said communities blocking the driveway, we can't leave,
which was not true. Then they said our keys are
locked in the car, we can't leave. No locksmith ever came.
When they left. It felt like they wanted something to
escalate on such an iconic place in the city. And
I say that to say that Project twenty five is
not like people talk about it like if it's not real. No,
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A lot of this has been planned for a long time.
Think about the we have a checks and balances in
our government are judicial brands, which is one of the
checks and balances. For years, they have been laying the
groundwork to replace judges, to be more conservative, to be Republican.
It's not by accident that you know are being given
in their favor. They've built this up. So I do
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believe in many cases they are a few steps ahead
because they've.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Been planning for so long.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I know that's a long answer, but it's what's
happening is calculated and surgical, and we have to I
think in Los Angeles we've done a good job of
not falling into the chap of escalating the situation to
create a perfect environment for them.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Right, don't go anywhere lokomotives.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
our episode.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I have a follow up question about what you just
said about Los Angeles as a city and like you,
as a city council member, of course, not falling into
the playbook of creating a situation where it needs to escalate.
But we have seen videos of them collaborating with Border
patrol and ice agents and so, and I think that
scares a lot of people because legally they're technically not
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supposed to do because we're a sanctuary city. And so
what are your thoughts on that and the fear that
people are feeling while they're watching this, either in person
or on.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
And actually, as a council, we do have certain roles
that we play when it comes to accountability and law enforcement.
The main holders of policies and procedures and accountability for
LAPD is the Board of Police Commissioners. So I've been
meeting with the Board of commission plice commissioners to ask
them questions like why do you have police on horses
with wooden batons stomping on people and smacking them.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
In the head.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Why are you using tear gas when you didn't use
it in twenty twenty when there was other protests happening.
What happened from twenty twenty to these protests that you
have escalated your tactics so severely. Why does it look
like you are assisting federal agents in the abduction of
people from our city, like in downtown when they literally
picked up this woman off her feet and threw on
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the back of a car, and she had nothing to
do with the situation.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
She was just trying to get to work. So I've
been meeting with.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
The Board of Police Commissions commissioners to say you need
to work and draft policies that are clear as date,
black and white. What does lp do do in a
scenario when if they are called through nine one one
to stop to respond to a call where it appears
people are getting kidnapped by unidentified people? Right, what is
your protocol to identify those people to get their identification
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so in order for them, in order for us to
have those conversations. I also put in some motions to
say LAPD Board, a police commissioner, city attorney, we need
to know if we are participating in the in unconstitutional
actions by LAPD being there are we allowing the federal
government to take on constitution actions like taking people based
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off the race and so that motion is in there.
The motion around the identifying law, you know, masked federal agents,
that is in there. What to do around the use
of force, the different tactics that are that are being used.
We put in a motion to address that and to
get us in more information on them. But also again
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having the meeting with the Board of Police Commissioner is
so important because they draft the laws and we know
that a lot of entities don't want to poke the
bearer of the federal government, so they're acting so cautious.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
But by acting so cautious that we could be.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Participating in unconstitutional acts, which the restraining order that the
judge put forward says, we're happening in our city and
so I don't want us to.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Be tied to that.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So we've done those motions. They're moving through. We're working
with the commission to figure this out. But we have
a role in that accountability and I take it very seriously.
There's videos, there's pictures, and we know people have gotten hurt.
And one of the main reasons why we're broken this
city is because of liability costs. Liability costs that come
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from cases primarily by police overuse of force, people getting hurt,
people getting killed by LPD, and we cannot afford that
fiscally either.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So it's a prior of mine.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I'm working on it, and I put those motions forward
with my colleagues, Ulso the Martinez, and I think this
is about Houdado as well.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now, I'm sure that there are listeners out there who
have wondered this summer. I know I have asked this
question of myself and watching everything unfold this summer, how
is it legally that an entity like ICE is able
to just enter into LA and do whatever they want?
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In essence, what is the legal mechanism or the lack
of a llegal mechanism that allows for those conditions to
play out the way that they have this summer.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, what we've seen is that in the city they
they use different laws in the books that were used
during the time of wars to give give an excuse
on why they needed to bring the National Guard and
the Marines to the city.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
They they use the uh there.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Was people who were protesting, right and it got a
little bit hot in downtown. Maybe a few blocks nothing more.
They use that also to legitimize their presence of National
Guard and the Marines here in the city. And so
when we talk about the escalation, it's because we saw
how it was going to I was being utilized by
them through different laws and court cases to legitimize their presence.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So when you when you ask, like how how they
could be here? How could they do what they want?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
They are one they're the federal government, and they they're
the constitution and other laws give them the power to
supersede some of the power that we have even though
we are we are a city and a state.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That is, we are not.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Independent of this country, but we have our sovereign rights
and protections. Those weren't enough to stop what they are
saying is enforcement of federal immigration law that they can
do anywhere our sanctuary city. So each state in the
country and wherever they're a sanctuary city, they each one
is drafted differently. Some of them are much stronger, but
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because of how strong they are, they're more more susceptible
to a lawsuit. The way that the one in the
city was written, we wanted it to be much stronger,
but this is the ordinance that we got from the
city attorney was one that was drafted to, you know,
not poke the federal government or aka give them an
excuse to sue us, which it didn't stop them. They
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still suit us on sanctuary city. But people thought that
sanctuary city was like a blockade that that would prevent
the federal government from coming in and no, Sanctuary City
is more about stopping the city from using our resources,
our staff, time, our property, and our data to help
enforce federal immigration law because we are superseded by federal law.
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So people have to know that the federal government has
the power to do this and.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
They are doing it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And that's why when I say all the things that
I've said so far, it's not an exaggeration. This is
what we are going through. And I think the closest
compared to is Handmaid's Tale. And I don't say that lightly.
Like people need to understand what's happening. It's already going
to other strong democratic cities in the country, New York
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what we're seeing so and it's not stopping.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You think that the courts would save us checks and balances,
but it's it's not happening. Because we're talking about authoritarianism.
We're talking about authoritarianism takeovers. So I just want to
be clear and candid, not exaggerating, but it's.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Don't go anywhere, locomotives.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
our episode.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And that's, you know, one of the things we really
appreciate about you council and brand and on this even
before you were elected into office, you've always kept it real.
Your values are at the forefront of what you do,
and that's one of the reasons we admire you and
are so happy to have you on the podcast. And
so I want to just go back about this years
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ago now when you were campaigning, but just about your
origin story and how your daughter of immigrants an LA local,
and how that is integral to how you're working. It's
integral to how you show up as a council member,
and so I want to ask you more about that
in your story.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So, I was born and raised in LA in Council
Districts one, and I've lived here my whole life. I
have a decade of experience working on policy, primarily on
criminal justice.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Reform and abolition.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Why because I grew up in Highland Park and a
lot of my friends and were impacted by gangs, the
foster care system. They you know, they're veterans, they fought
in Afghanistan and Iraq wars came back at mental health
needs and other you know, problematic substances. So I've seen
my loved ones be impacted by different issues, but the
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main thing they were impacted by was the lack of
services and care, stable housing. And I thought when I
went to college, I was going to be a cop
because I was like, I could have been the cop
that wouldn't have arrested my friend for selling weed. I
could have been the cop that would have helped him
get a job because he was impacted by a fostercire system,
or when there was intimate partner violence in my home
that I could have helped keep peace and safety in
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that home instead of saying, hey, we've been here for
this before.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We got more important things to do. But in college
I learned I was like, oh, man, there's.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Data, vocabulary, examples of what I experienced in my friends
experience growing up, and it happens everywhere. So that was
a long journey to me ending up and doing the
work I was doing with nonprofits before I started running
for office. I co founded an organization called La Defensa
to try to get progressive judges elected in La County
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because we saw that the judges were our biggest roadblock
to implementing laws to provide care, to bring people home
from incarceration, and remove barriers. And I did that work
again because of my loved ones I saw being impacted.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I am a survivor of violence.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I also grew up in this neighborhood where gentrification wiped
everybody out, businesses, homes in two thousand and eight, and
so those experiences coming in a place of well, I
got to try to fight for people whose voices are
not heard, people who are been marginalized, people are seen
as less than because of perhaps their experiences in their life.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And that's been my whole career.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And during COVID, I saw that there was a big
gap in leadership, right, Like the people struggling were struggling
even even more during COVID, and there was no long
term solutions implemented during.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
COVID that could help our communities stay housed.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Like that would outlive that moment, right And I knew
the Senora is getting the cancel in the recycling Bin
weren't going to be able to survive another four years
under the same type of leadership, and so I said,
you know what, I'm going to try to run for
city council. And a lot of people told me not
to do it. They said, wait your turn. You know,
he has one more term left. But like I said,
I knew people weren't going to be able to live
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here anymore or if we're just continue to solve our community.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now I'm running again.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
But if you would ask my first year how I'm doing,
I would have been like I I Evan hated here
because it was very hard, Like these seats are not
built for someone like me. I'm a woman, latina, a
plus sized woman, young, like I'm progressive, the most progressive
on the council. And so I think like the first year,
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there was a lot of things thrown in my way
and some things that I tipped.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
On myself which are difficult.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And now in year two and now I'm entering year three,
I'm in midway of year three. I feel like we
built a team, like we build experience, so we get
hit with waves, right, But it's because it's like every
day is like going up a hill.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But it's I see the changes that we make.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I see like now, like because the ways that I
vote now more council members vote that way, or we
have conversations that we would have never had if I
didn't ask the questions, And so it makes it worth it,
even though it's probably one of the hardest things I've
ever done and do, and but it's for our people,
because if not, we're just on the menu and not
at the table. And so I'm just grateful for the
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opportunity to get to fight, even though sometimes as lonely
or uncomfortable or exhausting.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If it's not us fighting for us, then we're just
for sale.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Really incredible words from you, Counselwoman Hernandez. Thank you for
your service and for your willingness to continue serving, because
I know it's not an easy job and it's not
an easy year to be in this position that you're in.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
So thank you for being a.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Voice and for coming on the show, for talking about
the work that you're doing, what's been going on behind
the scenes this summer, and for informing our listeners about
your plans to run again.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And I think the last thing I'll say is that
I appreciate you all, you know, having this show to
be able to digest it for for your listeners right
that maybe are tuning in for other pieces of culture
or just you know, just listening to you two icons, right,
But thank you for this opportunity to share. And I
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hope that people get more engaged, especially politically, because powerful interests,
powerful people and rich people, they are more than happy
for our people to be disengaged. They don't care if
you can afford to live in this city or not,
because they know that there's rich people that can. And
so the conditions and quality of our life from the
trees to the streetlights, so the sidewalks, to your rent
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to how much you pay for your garbage pickup, all
of that is determined by local policy and oftentimes that
can be influenced by special interests in rich people if
you are not at the table. So it's not even
for my campaign, but just get politically engaged. There's still
time and they don't want us to. So it's resistance
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to plug in and try to influence power in this way.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I do have a follow up question for you, council member,
and on this because I you know you are like
you mentioned you're a younger Latina on the council, you're
the most progressive, and I'm wondering how do you handle
like criticism that comes at you online in person, both
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like from all like all around, right, like from progressives, trolls,
even conservatives, like how are you taking care of yourself?
And like how do you handle all of it? Because
it's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know, that's a that's a that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
And you know, I don't have the magic pill to say, look,
this is this is what I have done to figure
it out. But I'm at a place where I recognize
that one not everybody's going to be happy, but I
have to learn what's going to make me happy. And
knowing that the work we're doing, knowing that we're helping
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keep people in their housing, that is that those are
the things that I've remind myself when it's constantly like
about what I look like or what I'm wearing or
what I'm doing, Like mostly it's what I look like.
And so there's people that I know that are just
the bods, people that are trolls, and I have to
I am the one that gets to decide how much
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weight I put behind you and if I think, if I,
if I, and this happens over time, right, you don't
just figure it out.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
But over time I've.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Learned to put less weight into those things because if
I hadn't, it would have probably like you know, it
breaks you, like it just kind of wears you down
over time. But you know, I do things that bring
me a lot of joy. My partner brings me a
lot of joy. We do a lot of fun stuff
and you know, travel to see like parks and going
to concerts, going to movies. That is also just a
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reminder of like I'm a human being, like I'm not
just this politician as like because it because honestly, it
feels like once I was in this role, like I
lost my humanity. Like it's you're no longer a human being.
You are this council member and that's it. And so
it's been reminding myself, no, I'm a person and I'm
not perfect, and that's okay, and I'm not here. I'm
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here to help my people and to fight for my people,
and that means all the people in my district but
also the generations that will come behind it. So I
don't have the magic peel other than just trying to
put effort into feeling joy and putting effort into not
giving all the toxicity any weight.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
That's a beautiful answer a council member. Thank you so
much again for being vulnerable also and not being afraid
to get a little personal. I think it's important for
everyone to remember that our elected officials are people with
lives and feelings and fears. And we had the opportunity
to speak with Representative Garcia, Linda Garcia from Texas, and
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she shared some of her fears and got a little
bit emotional on show as she talked about how she
fled Texas with her son and she's in Illinois and
they've been fielding bomb threats and threats of arrest by
Governor Abbott. I'm wondering if you have any words for
those Texas Democrats who are in the midst of that
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process of trying to fight for democracy in their own way.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yes, what I would tell them is to stay strong.
You know, they are at the forefront of trying to
save democracy, trying to save you know, not a perfect country,
but a country where at least we have freedoms that
don't exist in other places. And so they are doing
the right thing. They have to trust that that and
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I just hope that they stay united because the powers
in numbers, the power.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Is with them.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
They are the people and they are representing our entire
country right now. So I just I'll pray for them,
hope God bless them and that they remain strong.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
To our locomotives, our listeners based in La and beyond,
we are with you and will continue to cover the
issues affecting our communities, amplify those stories and be a
space for you until next time. Besitos Loka do A
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Look ready, O la la loka moorees, I'm viosa and
I'm mala. Today. We are in conversation with Council Member
Uniss Ernandez. On September ninth, twenty twenty five, the Supreme
Court overturned a federal judge's order that prohibited federal agents
in Los Angeles from stopping and questioning people based on
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their immigration status. Essentially, this ruling empowers federal agents to
racially profile anyone. In a press conference with Chidla Aclu
and Dolan and others, Council Member Nissa sat Nandez condemns
the Supreme Court's ruling, saying this decision codifies bigotry and
reversing individual liberties. Here's Council Member Etnandez.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This isn't about making America great again. Over seventy percent
of the people ice tising custody. I've no criminal records.
It's never been about criminals. Has never been about people
who have anything on the records.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's been about who they don't want to see in
this country anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
They're starting with Latinos and they.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Will be in twenty twenty two. Since she's been in office,
she has passed progressive policy. She is the first openly
abolitionist on council and has been showing up for her
district and broader la in the wake of ice raids
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all over Los Angeles. In this interview, we talked to
her about how she and her office are responding the
power the federal government has in cities and states, and
also how she's taking care of herself as a brown
woman in city council. Here's our interview with council Member
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Onisis and Nandez.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
This summer ice raids have created fear, empty spaces and
a city on edge. Many in our community are left
wondering how and why federal agents have access to this power,
an ability to move so freely in our neighborhoods, nappings
on the street, to entering school graduations and school grounds,
as well as hospitals. In this episode, we dive deep
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into what's actually happening behind the scenes, unpacked the legal realities,
and the urgent need for community protection. Council Member Hernandez,
thank you so much for joining us today. Can you
please say hello to our listeners.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I thank you so much for having me today.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
This is the only to say none discuncilwoman for the
first here in the city of Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It has been quite an eventful summer in Los Angeles
and continues as we can get closer to fall. It
seems that it's going to continue to be eventful, and
especially for immigrant communities, for Latino communities and just folks
in LA right, and so just want to start by
asking how are you doing, how are you feeling, and like,
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how are you staying grounded as an elected official but
also a person who has been doing the work even
before you were elected.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, you know, this is the it's been tough.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
The immigration rates have been going on for over ten
weeks now, and a lot of it has been in
my district, from the home depot in cybrus Park to
the home depot in Westlake to the neighborhood of Westlake.
MacArthur Park was overrun with them for a TikTok video.
They brought their horses flags. It's been terrifying for my
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district in particular, but throughout the southern California region up
the state and now what we're seeing in DC and
in other parts of the country. And for the first
three weeks of this, it was really touch and go.
I don't think people understood the seriousness of what was happening.
Where As local elected as a part of the government structure,
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we were trying to prevent martial law from taking hold
of the city. We were working to prevent the federalization
of our local law enforcement of LAPD and the sheriffs,
as we've seen happen in DC. That's what we were
trying to prevent. And we saw time and time again
where I felt like the federal government was creating opportunities
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to increase the hostility and violence, to create more reason
for them to be here. I was there when they
were at Dodger Stadium, when you know, we had to
figure out a plan to make sure that didn't escalate
so the National Guard wouldn't be at Dodger Stadium outside
of people's homes. And now we're at a place where
we have a restraining order in place. We're still seeing though,
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there are what appear to be indiscriminate raids happening throughout
the region, even after the restraining order, as we saw
them in West Say Home Depot when they jumped out
of the Penske truck. We know that those videos, pictures witnesses.
That evidence has been collected by the attorneys on our
restraining order case and is being submitted to the courts
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to see what are the next legal steps. There is
really no playbooks in this country for when our own
armed forces are used against its own people, its own citizens,
its own commune members.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You know where has existed in though in other parts
of this.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Country and the world, I mean where this country has
taken over or helped put people in power, you know,
when we have removed like presidents and leaders and other
countries that kind of takeover. There's that's that's what this
feels like. And so for a long time we were
for weeks again what's the pathway to protect our people?
So when you ask me how I'm doing, you know,
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it's I'm the daughter. I'm I'm the daughter of immigrants,
my community. You everybody knows someone who's an immigrant in
the city where city of immigrants. Whole industries and economies
are built by the hands and labor of immigrants.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So I know what impacts all of us.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And I'm feeling better now, But it was quite difficult
because just how close all the impacts are. You know,
people I know people that have self deported and just
because it's it's just too much. And so how I
stay grounded is by going out there and being with community.
There are people who aren't documented, who are mixed immigrant status,
who are showing up in community for their community, even
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as terrified as they are out at vigils. And so
I do I go back to those places where community's
at to be next to brave people. So hopefully that
rubs off a little bit on me, because you know,
in these moments where you're kind of faced with, well,
the federal government has all the power.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
What do you do if you're local elected like you
don't want to feel powerless.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So that's where I go back to the people community
MacArthur Park, West Sick or all of our neighborhoods.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But it's been rough the locations within Los Angeles that
you mentioned where ice raids have taken place, where the
National Guard has shown up, Dodger Stadium, MacArthur Park, Little Tokyo.
What is the message that is being sent to our
community when these of the city are used as hunting
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grounds and as photo ops by these federal agencies.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We have to know that it's very intentional.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
We have to recognize that what they're doing is exploiting
harms that have occurred in the past and letting people
know we can go into any neighborhood and take over
a park. And that's on that day I said in
a press province, we are the canary in the coal
mine Los Angeles. What you see happening here is going
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to happen in other places because of their new ice
budget that they have. It's in the billions upon billions,
and so it's not on accident that they're literally bringing
out federal immigration enforcement on the same sidewalk in Little
Tokyo where people were taking from the neighborhood and put
into camps. It's not by accident that they went to
MacArthur Park, which is the Ellis Island of the West Coast,
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which they did nothing but walk the park and scare
little kids that were a summer camp like this is
not by accident. And at Dodger Stadium of being already
a place where it was that was taken from community,
you know, Laloma, Bishop and Palo Verde, and to see
them being there again felt like a trap.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I was there. They give different reasons why they wouldn't leave.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
First, they said communities blocking the driveway, we can't leave,
which was not true. Then they said our keys are
locked in the car, we can't leave. No locksmith ever came.
When they left. It felt like they wanted something to
escalate on such an iconic place in the city. And
I say that to say that Project twenty five is
not like people talk about it like if it's not real. No,
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A lot of this has been planned for a long time.
Think about the we have a checks and balances in
our government are judicial brands, which is one of the
checks and balances. For years, they have been laying the
groundwork to replace judges, to be more conservative, to be Republican.
It's not by accident that you know are being given
in their favor. They've built this up. So I do
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believe in many cases they are a few steps ahead
because they've.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Been planning for so long.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I know that's a long answer, but it's what's
happening is calculated and surgical, and we have to I
think in Los Angeles we've done a good job of
not falling into the chap of escalating the situation to
create a perfect environment for them.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Right, don't go anywhere lokomotives.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
our episode.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I have a follow up question about what you just
said about Los Angeles as a city and like you,
as a city council member, of course, not falling into
the playbook of creating a situation where it needs to escalate.
But we have seen videos of them collaborating with Border
patrol and ice agents and so, and I think that
scares a lot of people because legally they're technically not
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supposed to do because we're a sanctuary city. And so
what are your thoughts on that and the fear that
people are feeling while they're watching this, either in person
or on.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
And actually, as a council, we do have certain roles
that we play when it comes to accountability and law enforcement.
The main holders of policies and procedures and accountability for
LAPD is the Board of Police Commissioners. So I've been
meeting with the Board of commission plice commissioners to ask
them questions like why do you have police on horses
with wooden batons stomping on people and smacking them.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
In the head.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Why are you using tear gas when you didn't use
it in twenty twenty when there was other protests happening.
What happened from twenty twenty to these protests that you
have escalated your tactics so severely. Why does it look
like you are assisting federal agents in the abduction of
people from our city, like in downtown when they literally
picked up this woman off her feet and threw on
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the back of a car, and she had nothing to
do with the situation.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
She was just trying to get to work. So I've
been meeting with.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
The Board of Police Commissions commissioners to say you need
to work and draft policies that are clear as date,
black and white. What does lp do do in a
scenario when if they are called through nine one one
to stop to respond to a call where it appears
people are getting kidnapped by unidentified people? Right, what is
your protocol to identify those people to get their identification
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so in order for them, in order for us to
have those conversations. I also put in some motions to
say LAPD Board, a police commissioner, city attorney, we need
to know if we are participating in the in unconstitutional
actions by LAPD being there are we allowing the federal
government to take on constitution actions like taking people based
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off the race and so that motion is in there.
The motion around the identifying law, you know, masked federal agents,
that is in there. What to do around the use
of force, the different tactics that are that are being used.
We put in a motion to address that and to
get us in more information on them. But also again
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having the meeting with the Board of Police Commissioner is
so important because they draft the laws and we know
that a lot of entities don't want to poke the
bearer of the federal government, so they're acting so cautious.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
But by acting so cautious that we could be.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Participating in unconstitutional acts, which the restraining order that the
judge put forward says, we're happening in our city and
so I don't want us to.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Be tied to that.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So we've done those motions. They're moving through. We're working
with the commission to figure this out. But we have
a role in that accountability and I take it very seriously.
There's videos, there's pictures, and we know people have gotten hurt.
And one of the main reasons why we're broken this
city is because of liability costs. Liability costs that come
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from cases primarily by police overuse of force, people getting hurt,
people getting killed by LPD, and we cannot afford that
fiscally either.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So it's a prior of mine.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I'm working on it, and I put those motions forward
with my colleagues, Ulso the Martinez, and I think this
is about Houdado as well.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now, I'm sure that there are listeners out there who
have wondered this summer. I know I have asked this
question of myself and watching everything unfold this summer, how
is it legally that an entity like ICE is able
to just enter into LA and do whatever they want?
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In essence, what is the legal mechanism or the lack
of a llegal mechanism that allows for those conditions to
play out the way that they have this summer.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Well, what we've seen is that in the city they
they use different laws in the books that were used
during the time of wars to give give an excuse
on why they needed to bring the National Guard and
the Marines to the city.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
They they use the uh there.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Was people who were protesting, right and it got a
little bit hot in downtown. Maybe a few blocks nothing more.
They use that also to legitimize their presence of National
Guard and the Marines here in the city. And so
when we talk about the escalation, it's because we saw
how it was going to I was being utilized by
them through different laws and court cases to legitimize their presence.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So when you when you ask, like how how they
could be here? How could they do what they want?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
They are one they're the federal government, and they they're
the constitution and other laws give them the power to
supersede some of the power that we have even though
we are we are a city and a state.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That is, we are not.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Independent of this country, but we have our sovereign rights
and protections. Those weren't enough to stop what they are
saying is enforcement of federal immigration law that they can
do anywhere our sanctuary city. So each state in the
country and wherever they're a sanctuary city, they each one
is drafted differently. Some of them are much stronger, but
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because of how strong they are, they're more more susceptible
to a lawsuit. The way that the one in the
city was written, we wanted it to be much stronger,
but this is the ordinance that we got from the
city attorney was one that was drafted to, you know,
not poke the federal government or aka give them an
excuse to sue us, which it didn't stop them. They
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still suit us on sanctuary city. But people thought that
sanctuary city was like a blockade that that would prevent
the federal government from coming in and no, Sanctuary City
is more about stopping the city from using our resources,
our staff, time, our property, and our data to help
enforce federal immigration law because we are superseded by federal law.
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So people have to know that the federal government has
the power to do this and.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
They are doing it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And that's why when I say all the things that
I've said so far, it's not an exaggeration. This is
what we are going through. And I think the closest
compared to is Handmaid's Tale. And I don't say that lightly.
Like people need to understand what's happening. It's already going
to other strong democratic cities in the country, New York
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what we're seeing so and it's not stopping.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You think that the courts would save us checks and balances,
but it's it's not happening. Because we're talking about authoritarianism.
We're talking about authoritarianism takeovers. So I just want to
be clear and candid, not exaggerating, but it's.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Don't go anywhere, locomotives.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
our episode.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And that's, you know, one of the things we really
appreciate about you council and brand and on this even
before you were elected into office, you've always kept it real.
Your values are at the forefront of what you do,
and that's one of the reasons we admire you and
are so happy to have you on the podcast. And
so I want to just go back about this years
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ago now when you were campaigning, but just about your
origin story and how your daughter of immigrants an LA local,
and how that is integral to how you're working. It's
integral to how you show up as a council member,
and so I want to ask you more about that
in your story.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So, I was born and raised in LA in Council
Districts one, and I've lived here my whole life. I
have a decade of experience working on policy, primarily on
criminal justice.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Reform and abolition.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Why because I grew up in Highland Park and a
lot of my friends and were impacted by gangs, the
foster care system. They you know, they're veterans, they fought
in Afghanistan and Iraq wars came back at mental health
needs and other you know, problematic substances. So I've seen
my loved ones be impacted by different issues, but the
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main thing they were impacted by was the lack of
services and care, stable housing. And I thought when I
went to college, I was going to be a cop
because I was like, I could have been the cop
that wouldn't have arrested my friend for selling weed. I
could have been the cop that would have helped him
get a job because he was impacted by a fostercire system,
or when there was intimate partner violence in my home
that I could have helped keep peace and safety in
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that home instead of saying, hey, we've been here for
this before.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We got more important things to do. But in college
I learned I was like, oh, man, there's.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Data, vocabulary, examples of what I experienced in my friends
experience growing up, and it happens everywhere. So that was
a long journey to me ending up and doing the
work I was doing with nonprofits before I started running
for office. I co founded an organization called La Defensa
to try to get progressive judges elected in La County
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because we saw that the judges were our biggest roadblock
to implementing laws to provide care, to bring people home
from incarceration, and remove barriers. And I did that work
again because of my loved ones I saw being impacted.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I am a survivor of violence.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I also grew up in this neighborhood where gentrification wiped
everybody out, businesses, homes in two thousand and eight, and
so those experiences coming in a place of well, I
got to try to fight for people whose voices are
not heard, people who are been marginalized, people are seen
as less than because of perhaps their experiences in their life.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And that's been my whole career.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And during COVID, I saw that there was a big
gap in leadership, right, Like the people struggling were struggling
even even more during COVID, and there was no long
term solutions implemented during.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
COVID that could help our communities stay housed.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Like that would outlive that moment, right And I knew
the Senora is getting the cancel in the recycling Bin
weren't going to be able to survive another four years
under the same type of leadership, and so I said,
you know what, I'm going to try to run for
city council. And a lot of people told me not
to do it. They said, wait your turn. You know,
he has one more term left. But like I said,
I knew people weren't going to be able to live
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here anymore or if we're just continue to solve our community.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now I'm running again.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
But if you would ask my first year how I'm doing,
I would have been like I I Evan hated here
because it was very hard, Like these seats are not
built for someone like me. I'm a woman, latina, a
plus sized woman, young, like I'm progressive, the most progressive
on the council. And so I think like the first year,
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there was a lot of things thrown in my way
and some things that I tipped.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
On myself which are difficult.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And now in year two and now I'm entering year three,
I'm in midway of year three. I feel like we
built a team, like we build experience, so we get
hit with waves, right, But it's because it's like every
day is like going up a hill.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But it's I see the changes that we make.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I see like now, like because the ways that I
vote now more council members vote that way, or we
have conversations that we would have never had if I
didn't ask the questions, And so it makes it worth it,
even though it's probably one of the hardest things I've
ever done and do, and but it's for our people,
because if not, we're just on the menu and not
at the table. And so I'm just grateful for the
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opportunity to get to fight, even though sometimes as lonely
or uncomfortable or exhausting.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If it's not us fighting for us, then we're just
for sale.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Really incredible words from you, Counselwoman Hernandez. Thank you for
your service and for your willingness to continue serving, because
I know it's not an easy job and it's not
an easy year to be in this position that you're in.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
So thank you for being a.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Voice and for coming on the show, for talking about
the work that you're doing, what's been going on behind
the scenes this summer, and for informing our listeners about
your plans to run again.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And I think the last thing I'll say is that
I appreciate you all, you know, having this show to
be able to digest it for for your listeners right
that maybe are tuning in for other pieces of culture
or just you know, just listening to you two icons, right,
But thank you for this opportunity to share. And I
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hope that people get more engaged, especially politically, because powerful interests,
powerful people and rich people, they are more than happy
for our people to be disengaged. They don't care if
you can afford to live in this city or not,
because they know that there's rich people that can. And
so the conditions and quality of our life from the
trees to the streetlights, so the sidewalks, to your rent
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to how much you pay for your garbage pickup, all
of that is determined by local policy and oftentimes that
can be influenced by special interests in rich people if
you are not at the table. So it's not even
for my campaign, but just get politically engaged. There's still
time and they don't want us to. So it's resistance
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to plug in and try to influence power in this way.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I do have a follow up question for you, council member,
and on this because I you know you are like
you mentioned you're a younger Latina on the council, you're
the most progressive, and I'm wondering how do you handle
like criticism that comes at you online in person, both
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like from all like all around, right, like from progressives, trolls,
even conservatives, like how are you taking care of yourself?
And like how do you handle all of it? Because
it's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know, that's a that's a that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
And you know, I don't have the magic pill to say, look,
this is this is what I have done to figure
it out. But I'm at a place where I recognize
that one not everybody's going to be happy, but I
have to learn what's going to make me happy. And
knowing that the work we're doing, knowing that we're helping
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keep people in their housing, that is that those are
the things that I've remind myself when it's constantly like
about what I look like or what I'm wearing or
what I'm doing, Like mostly it's what I look like.
And so there's people that I know that are just
the bods, people that are trolls, and I have to
I am the one that gets to decide how much
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weight I put behind you and if I think, if I,
if I, and this happens over time, right, you don't
just figure it out.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
But over time I've.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Learned to put less weight into those things because if
I hadn't, it would have probably like you know, it
breaks you, like it just kind of wears you down
over time. But you know, I do things that bring
me a lot of joy. My partner brings me a
lot of joy. We do a lot of fun stuff
and you know, travel to see like parks and going
to concerts, going to movies. That is also just a
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reminder of like I'm a human being, like I'm not
just this politician as like because it because honestly, it
feels like once I was in this role, like I
lost my humanity. Like it's you're no longer a human being.
You are this council member and that's it. And so
it's been reminding myself, no, I'm a person and I'm
not perfect, and that's okay, and I'm not here. I'm
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here to help my people and to fight for my people,
and that means all the people in my district but
also the generations that will come behind it. So I
don't have the magic peel other than just trying to
put effort into feeling joy and putting effort into not
giving all the toxicity any weight.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
That's a beautiful answer a council member. Thank you so
much again for being vulnerable also and not being afraid
to get a little personal. I think it's important for
everyone to remember that our elected officials are people with
lives and feelings and fears. And we had the opportunity
to speak with Representative Garcia, Linda Garcia from Texas, and
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she shared some of her fears and got a little
bit emotional on show as she talked about how she
fled Texas with her son and she's in Illinois and
they've been fielding bomb threats and threats of arrest by
Governor Abbott. I'm wondering if you have any words for
those Texas Democrats who are in the midst of that
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process of trying to fight for democracy in their own way.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yes, what I would tell them is to stay strong.
You know, they are at the forefront of trying to
save democracy, trying to save you know, not a perfect country,
but a country where at least we have freedoms that
don't exist in other places. And so they are doing
the right thing. They have to trust that that and
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I just hope that they stay united because the powers
in numbers, the power.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Is with them.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
They are the people and they are representing our entire
country right now. So I just I'll pray for them,
hope God bless them and that they remain strong.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
To our locomotives, our listeners based in La and beyond,
we are with you and will continue to cover the
issues affecting our communities, amplify those stories and be a
space for you until next time. Besitos Loka do A
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