October 27, 2025 • 41 mins
Being normal is vastly overrated... Daniel Kountz joins Will and Sabrina to talk about working with Debbie Reynolds, reconnecting with his now wife Kimberly J. Brown and the impact "Halloweentown" still has with Disney fans today.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Thank you everybody for joining us on this Park Copper
episode of Magical Rewind. Yes, you are joining us, probably
right from Spookyville, from Halloween.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Town, and oh, we are excited for this one.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We're excited for all of them, but some of them
are pretty special because not only is this one going
to be able to tell us a little bit about
how to make a spooky movie, but how to fall
in love. Maybe not well doing it, but afterwards. I
can't wait, So please help us welcome. We're very excited
from Halloween Town to this time.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's personal.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm kidding it's Cowbar's revenge. Everybody knows that. Andiel koons, Hey, hey,
what's up. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We are big fans of this franchise. We really are.
We think, yes, it's kind of the perfect balance of.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Spooky but probably spooky not scary, so kids can watch it,
teenagers can watch it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Like we think, it's a really fun world exactly. Yeah,
there's a couple of little bit of scary moments if
you're like yes, but other than that, it's just good
family fun.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, we agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So before we get into that world, and learn everything
we possibly can about it. We always like to find
out how did you become an actor?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Where?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
What in your life made you say I need to
be in this wonderful business of show.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh my gosh, I started acting, like I think in
the third grade I was asked to be tiny Tim
in the high school's production of a Christmas Carol. And
I think my teacher had recommended me for it because
I don't know why. Maybe I was cracking jokes in
the corner of the third classroom. She's like, I can't
get the kid to shut up, so maybe he'll be
okay on stage. Yes, And then I just started doing
(01:50):
more plays and things like that because it was just
so much fun. But I think, really I really decided
to be an actor when I was probably like fifteen
sixteen and I was doing high school and I always
wanted to be a baseball player, and I played like
fifteen years of baseball. Love baseball. But I'm five foot eight,
one hundred and foot pounds, Like, maybe professional baseball is
not the career for me. And yeah, just had some
(02:14):
opportunities and figure, maybe I'll try this acting thing out.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's amaze.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So did you go did you end up getting an
agent an Oregon, right is where you were?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah? Yeah, I grew up in Estacado, Oregon. It's a small,
little like farming town outside of Portland.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Did you get an agent in that area or did
you try to find an agent out to LA or I.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Got an agent eventually. What I did was I went
to Southern Oregon University for about ten minutes because Thenland Oregon,
and they have the Shakespeare Festival. They're known for their
theater program. So I was like, oh, this is gonna
be awesome. I'm gonna get the best theater degree ever.
And I went down there and the theater program, the
only people that were doing the plays were like fourth
year seniors. They were all in their mid twenties and
(02:56):
they were still doing plays, and everybody else was like
a waiter the dinner theater. Oh like, we can't even
get on stage until you were a waiter in the
dinner theater. I'm like, well, I don't want to do that.
We got in LA if. I moved to LA exactly
an actor, so uh, you know, I got the gumption
and I was like, I don't think I need this
(03:17):
school for this stuff. So I moved back up outside
of Portland, and I was eighteen and just thought I
want an agent. How do I do that? And just
started calling agents on the phone. Hey, I want to
be an actor. What do I do? And they're like,
send a headshot? And I'm like, what's a head shot?
And then hey, I want to be an actor?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And they send a headshot? And then finally one lady
was super cool and she talked to me for a
while and named Sandra Peabody. She ended up being my
agent and my acting teacher because she got taught by
Sanford Meisner himself. Wow, so Meisner technique. And I got
an agent through that, and one thing led to another,
and I think my second audition, I booked a Lifetime
movie called fifteen and.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Pregnant, Wow, with Kristin Dunce.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I played another bad boy with
a leather jacket.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
How did how did you get pregnant in that movie?
Very yeah, it's just curious about it. No, So so
that was you, I mean your your first.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Then big thing you book in la Is, a film
with Kirsten Dunst.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
That was actually in Portland when I still lived up there.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh geez, Yet I.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Think they were like, oh, we can hire him as
a local hire. Yeah that's great. Yeah, come on over here, kid. Yeah.
So I managed to do that up there, and it
led to opportunities for me to move down to LA,
which is not the norm. I mean, it's it's not
them usually you moved to LA and you don't know
a soul and all that, and thankfully a manager down
in LA it was like, hey, I saw your movie,
(04:41):
blah blah blah. If you move down, maybe we can
do something like I'm moving to.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I'm on my way. I'm on my way. That is
truly kind of it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It almost seems like we occasionally hear these stories from
people where they're living somewhere and they're super successful where
they live, and then they decide to move to LA
and so it's a you're doing doing you know, plays,
and then you're doing films and then it's like, all right, now,
now I'll move to where where quote unquote where it's happening.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I mean I did everything I could up in Portland.
You know, there were so many Hollywood video training videos
which I was in two, which was awesome, and there
was really hilarily hilariously enough.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, so at the same time you come, so you
come to Los Angeles because I'm always so curious when
people come here.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We're we've talked to.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Some people where they're like, I came to LA and
the first three weeks I was here, I booked nineteen things.
Was it the was it the type of thing where
when you got here you were instantly working all the time,
or was it you got here thinking like, hey, I
just did a movie, I'm gonna I'm gonna work forever,
and then it was like, oh, oh I've auditioned thirty times.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, more more that one. Like, I definitely had a
lot of opportunities, so many auditions, which was great, but
I didn't book for a little while. I book a
commercial here and there. But I remember having a conversation
with my first agent down here at the time it
had been like a year, and I was like, hey,
you know, how are you feeling about this? I haven't
really booked much. He goes, Honey, it's okay. What happens
(06:05):
is your first year you audition, your second year you
get callbacks. The third years when you start booking.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Wow, oh interesting, awesome. Yeah, So is that kind of
what happened?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It is pretty much what happened book a couple of
things here and there. In the third year. I'm like,
Judy Shane was right, So what.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Were you doing like in the meantime as far as
you know, did you have any fun jobs that you
were doing just on the side while, as you know,
you were auditioning and things like that because you were
of age, right you were over eighteen, yes, yeah, and
you were able to yeah, able to do anything. You know,
as far as job goes, what was it? What were
(06:47):
you ending up doing?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I worked at Old Navy first for a little bit,
clothes and doing nice from like seven pm to midnight
or something. And I had a girlfriend at the time
that worked there too, and she got in trouble by
her boss or something. Her boss yelled at her and
made her cry. So I stormed in there and I'm like, well,
you can't talk to my girlfriend that way. I quit
(07:09):
and I quit, and then I was like, oh, no,
I need I need money. Oh no, I'm an adult now,
I forgot. You can't really do that. They my bills. Uh.
So then I ended up being a busser for a
little bit and I probably was the worst busser on
the planet. Why oh yeah, just a little kid with
a chip on his shoulder. And I saw all of
(07:30):
the waiters and waitresses just kind of like hanging out
in the corner when they weren't doing their table on
their phones or whatever, on their phones. I don't even
think we had cell phones.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Back, No, I probably not on their phones and their
phone thing.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And they'd be like, hey, such or such needs the
table bus and I'd be like, well, you're just standing there.
Why don't you do it as an adult? Realizing no,
that's your job. You're you're supposed to do that. Oh yeah,
you know, I learned. I learned how to be an
adult by trial and error.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I think. So then, how what where did you first
get then involved with what we just called the channel
with the Disney Channel? Was it was this your first
ever audition for anything on the Disney Channel? Was?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Was? I had auditioned for a TV show called So Weird? Yeah, okay,
and I had like three or four callbacks. Went all
the way to the top of the Disney Channel building
in Burbank. I'm sure you guys know it. Oh yeah,
went all the way to the top it was down
to me and another guy. Henry Winkler, was the executive producer,
so I got to meet him. I'm like, oh my gosh,
I'm auditioning with the pawns. And I had to play
(08:32):
guitar because my character was supposed to play and sing
and do the audition with him. And it was wonderful
and it felt great, and then neither one of us
got the park.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh you kid.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I was always like, Henry, next time I see you,
and damn you Winkler. I almost got that didn't And
I think maybe I was like in there on their
radar now. So then I auditioned for other things. I
did a couple episodes of another Disney Channel show called
The Jersey. I'm like, oh, yeah, the Jersey. It's like
(09:05):
a magical jersey. The kid puts it, turns into a
sports star.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I played t boton and I was I was like,
the jerk bully guy is his come up ins at
the end. And that was kind of like my foray
into the Disney Channel world.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That's amazing, Well, I think, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So we just did the recap and when we did
the Deep Dive, I believe that the writers also wrote
for so weird.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Oh maybe that's what would.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Make that would make sense that they would know who
you were and bring you bring you back for that one,
which is.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Something that I love about the Channel that they you know,
even when you don't feel like it, because you you're
going for this one specific role, you're getting these callbacks,
you're feeling so good, and then of course, you know
if there's a let down when you don't book the job,
But for the Disney Channel, it's like, oh, yeah, no,
you just didn't book this job. We've got something at
(09:57):
some point that we're gonna end up using you for.
And I love that because they, you know, they have
such a great pull of very talented young actors that
come in and that was one of the things I
remember being excited when I was auditioning for the Channel,
was like just wanting to do my best because I
knew if I didn't book this one that they'd hopefully
(10:18):
want me for something else because they always wanted good,
you know, young talent to come in and you know,
start start working with them. So that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I was, right, Ali, Ali, Marie Matheson, and John Cooksey
wrote the film, and they also, yeah, they wrote for
so weird.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
That's so awesome, that's very cool.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's what I made an impression you did.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So before you auditioned for Halloween Town two, had you
seen or was Halloween Halloween Town one ever on your
radar before? Or was it like you found out about
that the audition and maybe or did you did that
when you watched it or did you not at all?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Did you just come.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
In I went in blood like I hadn't heard of it.
It was a little bit after my time because I
was a little bit older than most of the cast
when I when I booked it, and no, I actually
had three auditions that same day for the first audition
for Halloween Town two, and truth be told, I wanted
a different part more so I didn't work that hard
(11:20):
on the Halloween Town audition, which probably gave me no
nerves at all, and and was like blah blah blah
blah blah, touch a cha, see you later by no, wait,
wait wait, no, I want to give you a call back.
We're gonna and I was like, oh, okay, cool. And
then the second audition, I had gotten the wrong address
for the call back, so I had to race across
(11:41):
town and was angry is a little angry elf By.
I got there because I was late, and oh my god,
who gave me? So then I went in and the
good thing is is one of the scenes was Col's
really angry at the Cromwell witches. So I just got
to like channel that and just all of my rage
being traffic.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I have to know, what was the part that you
wanted in the first audition, and you said you really
wanted something.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I don't even remember. You don't remember what it was.
He was boring pilot season, So okay, it was some
sort of pilot that I was like, Oh, this is
gonna be it, Oh, this other thing whatever whatever. Uh
So I don't even remember what it was.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh that's so funny. I was hoping you're gonna be like, okay,
it was for the Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Do you have so many that they stack up that
you have no idea what's going on?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
But I mean, isn't that such a truth, especially too,
because back then it's like you were probably like looking
up was it? It was either a Thomas Guide or
a map Quest directions and you're like, ah, now I
gotta find a Kinkos and go print on a new
map quest like, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Had the Thomas Gude and I'm like seven, of course.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
My battleship.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You sunk my battles now, is it true? Did you
have to audition like four or five times for the
role I did?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I auditioned four times, I think, and each time I
kept going up higher and higher in the Disney Channel building. Yeah,
and then I ended up at the top again and
it was me and another actor, and funnily enough, Jared Padalachi.
Really I was like okay. And then when I booked
and I'm like, that's right padal Echi. And then right
after because he had he booked something that I didn't
book before and everything, and then he ended up on
(13:16):
Gilmore Girls and the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But it was like I got you this, I got
youa this time.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Did you have to do chemistry tests with Kimberly or
with anybody else in the cast or was I just
cast you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I didn't meet Kimberly or anybody. Actually, I didn't meet
Kimberly until rehearsals right before we flew up to Vancouver,
British Columbia, where we didn't even meet her until then.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Worked well actually worked.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't see it
with you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Frankly, it doesn't work on film. I don't We're going
to get into that. We'll get into that hole magic later.
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Speaker 1 (14:57):
What was it like actually shooting the film with especially
I mean, we obviously want to talk about We've talked
to a number of people who were in the first film,
including Kimberly, but we you know, everybody has these amazing
stories about what it was like to work with Debbie
Reynolds and just the legend that is Debbie Reynolds.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
What was it like just being on set with her?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
It was phenomenal because, as you know, she was a
huge movie star, like from the Golden Age of cinema,
and she didn't act like it at all. She just
like cracked jokes and walked around and sang and was
just such a lovely human being. And she was so
kind to me, which I took to heart because I
came in in the second movie where they had all
worked together before. They were like family and everything. Everybody
(15:38):
knew each other, and then I show up and they
were just all so welcoming, especially Debbie, and I just
remember one scene that we were doing was the end
where Cal's up in the rafters, which they actually put
me up in the rafters. I was like twenty five
feet up in the air, chained to the rafters so
I couldn't fall in the big book and I'm doing
(15:58):
the spell and the book was really and I'm like,
oh my gosh. That scene. We had seventy five extras
in there, and we were filming until one thirty two
o'clock in the morning, and everybody was tired. The extras
were tired, we were tired, and they were like, we
need more energy for the scene. So Debbie she I
think she was sixty eight at the time, she went
out there and started singing and dancing and cracking jokes
(16:19):
right in the middle of all the extras, got all
the energy up. And then she looks at Mary Lambert,
who's the director, Yeah, are we good, and She's like, okay,
we're good. And then we continued to film it just
it lit up the entire scene. It was so cood.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Oh that's awesome, total pro Yeah, that's one of those. Yeah,
that's one of those, I mean legends. It's somebody who's
born to do exactly that.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yes, absolutely. What about the rest of the time was it?
What was the weather like when you were in Canada,
because the weather has a like it's it can be
super hot when everyone's just like sweating. Or was it
cold or did you actually get nice weather in Canada?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It was. It was a little chilly and rainy. We
filmed in February, but that's okay, I'm from Oregon.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Was a right exact.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Everything in the rain, you ride your bike in the rain,
you played on the range, he just wet all the time.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
You have to did your did the cast hang out
while like off days of filming or did you guys
get a chance to hang out a lot or was
it just go go go with film?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It was we we hung out here and there and everything.
But the funny thing is I was up there for
five weeks filming, but which they don't do anymore. They
pretty much pack in a full movie of the week
until like three weeks now. But I was five weeks
and I only filmed ten days of it. So she
basically left to my own devices to like walk around
Vancouver all the other times. And I saw Stanley Park
(17:41):
and such a beautiful city, So I was to explore
a lot of that when I wasn't on set filming.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And now, did you get along with anybody particularly well
while filming the movie?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh no, I don't really know what happened in any.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Of those guys.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
No. I mean, like, we obviously know where you ended up,
but we've heard that you were just pals.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
When we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Go, we're gonna compare stories of what Kimberly actually told
us and want to see if you have a different
side of things, because, to be honest, after watching the
Halloween Town two, the way the chemistry did not go
along with what Kimberly told us.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Whether let me ask you this, so have you when's
the last time you watched the movie?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Oh my gosh, I don't. I don't even remember. It's
it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Okay, I'm gonna need you to go back and watch
this scene just very quickly. Watch the scene where you
first walk in and she sees you because she looks
you up and down like you are a side of beef.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
It was like I had to pause it and rewind it, like,
oh my god, I'm amazed that's the take they used,
Like you have to go look at it again. And
where she is just undressing, taking off your clothes.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I can't it was comfortable.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
It is fairly Disney Channel appropriate.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Something like it was.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
And then my mouth just goes down.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It was it was unbelievable. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Which I'm to be honest, you know. Okay, So she
told us, you guys were just friends. There was nothing,
you know, because there was a pretty good age difference
that matters at that time, right, and so she said, no,
we were just really good friends. And then but I'm
thinking in my head, I'm like, i know what it's
like to be whatever age. She was like fifteen sixteen
(19:45):
at this time, and this like hot guy comes onto
the this girl onto the set. Now you're doing a
thing with him, and you're just you're just being yourself
because he's good looking and he's supposed to be your
love interest at this point. Let it go.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, well, I mean the chemistry was obviously great. We
were definitely professionals. Because I'm a little bit older than her.
I was too when I did it, right, he was sixteen,
so yeah, there's a bit of a difference there. Now
they were older, not much of a difference, more mature
than I am, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, that's not a big age that's not a big
age of it. Now, my wife and I have a
much different age difference than that. So yeah, that's that's nothing.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's not But that does not mean that she wasn't
looking at you going hey, damn, it should.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Be your screensaver.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, where she goes, she's just like, oh my god,
did I.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Just see that?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I can't. I'm definitely.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
So now because that's so. I mean, you know, years later,
you guys, I know rekindled, like you know, your friendship
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, I want to get into that a little bit,
but first we have a logistical question to ask for you.
When we watched the movie, it's Calibar with a K,
but in the credits and in the UH captions it's.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Calibar with a C. So how do you spell Calibar?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I spell cal with the K okay l is because
Calibar is with the K, right, and I'm Calibar Junior,
So I always spelled it with a K. But it
used to be Halloween Town to return to Halloween Town
is what it was called first, and that ended up
being I think the fourth one, and they changed it
(21:35):
to Calibar's Revenge, so they they were trying to figure
out all kinds of stuff on what to call it and.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Everything, right, But in the first movie, he Calibar's name
is spelled with the c oh, is it Yeah? So
it was changed for the second movie.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Oh well, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, so was your script? When you do you remember
when you're when you read your script? Was it spelled
with a K cal?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
It might have been, or it might be. I don't
know particular. It was just like bal bull bull my line.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh god, that is so funny.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
When you came into filming, and obviously you said you'd
missed the first one. I understand you're a little old
to be watching the Disney Channel. You go in, you
get a job, you're an actor.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Did you have any idea of how big the first
Halloween Town was?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
No, I don't think so, because back then it wasn't
I think as huge as it is now, obviously social
media and everything and the multi deerations that are now
watching it. But I think it was like the second
or the third Disney Channel movie was the first one
when it came out, so Disney Channel was still kind
of like it was going because it had been three
(22:50):
years since the first one. But It wasn't like, dunt
dunc donald, We're gonna have a red carpet premiere and
all of that for the second one. But no, I
mean it was I didn't realize how big it would
be at all, which is amazing because it's been such
a wonderful thing over the years to just see it
grow and grow and get to meet so many fans
all over.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So when did you kind of get the feeling that, oh,
I'm involved in a franchise here that's kind of timeless.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Uh, It wasn't until like years later, where every once
in a while somebody that was that wasn't a child anymore,
a little bit older, it'd be like, wait, in a second,
you look familiar, were you cal And I'm like, you know,
you saw the movie? You know, you do your job,
and then you're like, where's my next job? Where's my
next job? Of course, So it wasn't until really, i
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mean really years later, and especially when I got together
with Kimberly and everything, that's when just like the fandom exploded.
I mean it used to crack me up. When we
first started dating. We'd go somewhere and she'd be recognized
everywhere we'd go like like I remember one of our
first dates. I took her to Killer Shrimp, which was
this place on Sure place like Grant Place. I love
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that kind of stuff. So it was packed. There was
a Saturday night, it was packed, and we're waiting for
a table and there was a big table over in
the corner which was full of a bunch of people
and it was some guy's birthday there and they were
singing Happy birthday or happy birthday to you, and the
guy all of a sudden goes Happy Birthday, kimber The
whole restaurant just goes and just stuff and we're just
(24:25):
so that was one of the first introductions to like,
oh oh yeah, like people really really know who you.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Are, Like yeah, yeah, Well she was a bit of
a decom legend at the time. We've done several of
her films with Quints and all that kind of stuff.
I mean, people, she's one of the quintessential I quote
unquote I grew up with her. Like if you're the
right age, then you grew up with a lot of
Kimberly's films.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So it's yes you can.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And the idea that this movie and then and then
later on the franchise took over the Halloween season for
the channel. This was like such a between this and
Hocus Focus. That's what was running on the channel all
the time for kids to watch. So even if you
weren't around for the years that they were actually aired,
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you still saw them way later on, you know what
I mean. So I think that was a huge thing too.
Is Kimberly was the face of it, I mean, of
Halloween season on the channel. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Oh yeah. There's so many people now that tell her
you were my childhood. That's that's my favorite quote that
I probably heard the most is you were my childhood.
You were my childhood.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
So cute to see a full grown adult be like,
oh my god, I were back to an eight year older. Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And I imagined too with you guys being together, because
this happens with one of like the bandmates and the
Cheetah Girls. Whenever, if we're together, maybe someone will pass
by me and kind of go oh, that person kind
of looks like and then they see her. So I
bet it's the same way like if they passed by
oh kind of and then they see you and they're like,
wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I usually get away with just walking around by myself
and nobody really looks twice, but then they this is
the look that I usually get from people if I'm
by myself, they walk by and then they go, no,
I don't know, I can't make that. Yeah, But whenever
it is with Kimberly, it's very funny because they recognize
her right away and they're talking and then suddenly they
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glance over me. Oh my god. So that's just the
funnest thing.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's great for you. I when I'm with Danielle Fisher,
I just take all the pictures.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
People just hand me the phone. They're like, can you
take a picture of me with the PEG? I'm like,
you got it? Sure, Like, no joke. It's like, that's
the coming, that's no joke. That's serious.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I always take the pictures with
Danielle and everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So that's hilarious. I take a lot of pictures for
Kimberly and a fan to right, that's yeah, so sorry,
I'm so sorry, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Like, no, no, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
More than do the same thing. Yeah, I'm the same thing.
So the movie comes out. Did you watch it when
it came out? Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, yeah, did you do a party? Did you?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
We had a little little viewing party with all of
my my out of work actor friends and everything and
all that October twelfth, actually, so it's been four years now.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah. We had a tiny little apartment in Canoga Park, California,
and we all crammed in it and watched it on TV.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Oh fine, Now there is.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
There's kind of a hint, and we don't want to
jump too far ahead because we're doing them all. We're
obviously we were spacing them out. But there's a hint
that Calibar comes back. Does he come back in the
third one?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Well, I don't know. He did fly away in a
huff in the end of the site, so mad and
he flew away in a ball and they were back
and we'll be waiting and he never came back.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
He doesn't. Okay, Oh man, do they come back? He's
like no, no, he never comes back.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
He's still out there formulating a plan. I bet you
multi layered. Now, there's no way they can defeat him.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Now. That is so.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Actually, if they do another Halloween Town, which they should,
and it should be an og cast Halloween Town, I
think that him coming back now after having been able
to plan for twenty four years is probably pretty great.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
He better have a good plan because if he's obviously.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
One of you, he could actually I mean, this could
actually be the storyline of the Cromwells and Calibars family
actually having a love story that works and we get
past the past.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I like that. I mean that would be cool.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Maybe we get a wedding because I love weddings. Do
we get a spooky wedding.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Wedding?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, they haven't. I mean, it could be fun.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So the film ends, you both go your your own
separate way. How do you meet back up with Kimberly
and start your life?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Oh? We we were friends afterwards and kind of got
together everyone. So I think I went to her twentieth
birthday party things like that. But we had we had
kind of fallen out of touch for a good decade.
Life happens, and she got a hold of me on Facebook.
Actually on Facebook. She just got a hold of me
and said, hey, I haven't seen you in a while.
(29:26):
I haven't talked you in a while. But I was
getting together with some friends and we were gonna film
some funny little shorts for my YouTube channel. Just wondering
if you'd be happy to be involved with it. I'm
just like, yeah, that's great. Well it's been a while,
so let's uh, let's go grab dinner. So I'm sitting
like up at the bar because we're all of age now,
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just waiting for her to come in, and I'm like, oh,
little Kimberly Brown and then in wox adult Kimberly Brown,
and it was it probably would have been my same face.
I just looked over. I was like the bomb.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I love it. And then filming all the fun little
shorts and everything that we did, it's just one thing
led to another and we caught the feelings and now
we're married.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
And now you're married.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Man, that is really really cool. So in your household,
which one is considered better Halloween Town one or Halloween
Town two.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, now that is a huge debate. I could say
the first one is considered better because it's the og
and it's it started everything. But I'm a little partial,
so I said a second. She says the first sometimes
the third she's like she she really likes the third, okay,
which is great, but the second one it's close to
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my heart and it was darker because the director, Mary
Lambert was the director. She directed the original Pet Cemetery,
so she horror film director.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yes, and tails from the Crypt. She's big. She really,
she really likes the spooky genre.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, she wanted to take Halloween Town too and make
it darker, and she had all these ideas, and Disney's like,
this is a children's movie. We can't great like you're
going to terrify a generation of children.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But it's definitely darker than the first one.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I mean, they wanted that kind of that kind of spookiness,
which I thought worked really well frankly for the film.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Oh, I think so too, kind of like yupped the
ante for everything.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, I think that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well, I mean I guess to wrap up our wonderful
interview here, we always like to ask a pretty important question,
which is, I know you're a little older, so you
might have you might have missed.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Well just he well he was just older.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
For I know, I'm just saying, I'm just couching it
by saying I would understand if if he wasn't a
huge fan, But what was your favorite dcom of all time?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh my gosh, I would have to say maybe cadet.
I think the auditioned for it, so I knew about
it and everything, and so it sticks. It sticks in
the heart and sticks in the brain a little bit.
But okay, yeah, yeah, that was a pretty good one.
(32:14):
There's so many of them. Yeah, great, Twitches is awesome.
But yeah, probably condeted.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Kelly Kelly, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
You're the first one to kidnet Kelly as as a favorite,
which is great. And then five, Well, one thing I
do want to talk about before we get it is
because you have a new Hallmark movie right starring Lasshever
and you and Kimberly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, wow. It's called haul Out the Halloween. And so
it's if you've seen it's a third one in a series.
So there was haul Out the Holly, which was all
about Christmas and everything, the Holly two Lit Up, which
was always about Christmas too, and then the third one
is haul Out the Halloween. So it's basically about a
neighborhood with a very strong hoa that has so many
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rules about everything and rules for Christmas and stuff. So
Kimberly and I play Marvin and Luna Balmer and we're
a married couple that they lived their life every day
as if it's Halloween. They love Halloween so much and Shakespeare,
but they love Halloween. So we move into the neighborhood
and we introduce the Christmas neighborhood to Halloween, and then
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hijinx ensue.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Wow, so it's almost kind of like a reverse nightmare
before Christmas.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It was this the first time you worked with your
your wife as your wife?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Actually yeah, other than the fun little sketches that we do,
all of the ideas that she comes up with. She's like, hey, babe,
I got this crazy idea, and I'm like, yes, I
do want to do that.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yes. So it was good to be able to actually
be on the same side.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And this one, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Where did you shoot this one?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
We shot it in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, a d coma another decom capital of the world.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I had never been to before. And it is gorgeous,
like the real neighborhood. The mountains behind it.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Were stunning, just stunning, super friendly people. It's yeah, it's
a really it's a fun place to shoot a film.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So. Okay, where do we see that? Is that the
Hallmark Channel or yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
That's that's on a Hallmark channel and then Hallmark Plus
now it aired October eleventh, uh, and now you can
check it out on Hallmark Plus, uh whenever you want.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, all right, we're definitely definitely going to go check
that out.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And now for for our last question, we we touched
on it, but if you had to tell us, where
do you think Calibar is right now?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
What is he doing?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Oh my gosh, Well he could be hunkered down in
the woods somewhere still plotting his revenge, or hopefully he's
a little older now, his angst has gone down and
he's an insurance salesman in Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That would be.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
That would be such an interesting film to do. It's
just he's given up all magic and he's.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Just so to just forget it. We found up on
one of the early things that Kimberly and I shot
for her YouTube channel. We shot a short called Realm
Are They Now? Which was about cal and where he
was now years later after and he's in magical rehab.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
That's kind of brilliant.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, money, yeah, all the therapy. He's like, look, everything's fine.
I was angry then I'm not angry at maybe he's
still a little angry.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Is this Wait? Are these on YouTube? Where is this
on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I have to see this. Yeah, okay, it's a realm.
That's now realm?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Are they now?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
That's that's good? I love that.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I love that all right.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Thank you so much for joining us, for really really
happy to have you here.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
This was a fun movie.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
We've like, we've liked him both so far, and that's
I don't think we've done that with a lot of
movies where I think Cheetah Girls. We like both of
the first two we've seen, but there's some times we
get into a sequel and we're like that.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
As good as the first one.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
This was great?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, great, Yeah, they It really was a.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Great much guys, I appreciate it. I'm glad you liked it.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Thank you Daniel so much for joining us so much.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Of course, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It was a blast, and congratulations on everything. I can't wait.
I love Hallmark, so I am like that is going
to be on tonight, can't wait.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
We're so happy. We actually got to watch it on
the premiere. We were doing a con somewhere, so we
we got to watch it like right afterwards on the
app and everything and good. It was really good. It's funny.
It's got hard too, but it's really funny. I loved
that it like it was funny.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And you're still in the Halloween world, which is the
people must have loved to see the two of you together.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, it's great. Well, thank you so much. We're going
to check it out, of course.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Thanks guys, appreciate it. Bye, okay, bye.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Man.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Just the idea that they got married and they're.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Probably so fun to hang out with. Oh my gosh,
they are.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Well I've got the chance to do it.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
So it's we've seen each other at cons and all
that kind of stuff, and they're just they're very in
love and they're and the idea that they have this
kind of cool history of yes, there was nothing there,
he was older. They shot up and she was looking
at him like that, and then years later he's looking
at her the same way and they're married.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I love it. I love it. That's so awesome And
for them to like have I mean, it's such an epic,
like like I said to me, Kimberly like embodies Spooky
Season for Disney Channel, like that is you know she
just I mean, and then the fact that they're both
recognized together. It would be so fun to be around
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them when a fan sees them and then links it like,
that's just so cute.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And now she married the enemy she married? How is
that possible?
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Did another one? It makes so much sense for him
to have. Now also, let's incorporate his his going to react, But.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
How does how do how does Disney?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
And I still we didn't get the whole story because
I think again, she's Kimberly's classy, so she's not going
to tell the whole story about why she wasn't in
the fourth film because she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
That's just not her way.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
So how Disney can look at the two of them
at like now that they're married and not say, how
do we not do another film with the two of them?
Either they did get married or they get married at
the end of the movie because they're married.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
How you don't take that and run? I will never understand.
So hopefully though.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Well, and here's the thing, look like, look like fans,
especially fans that are the mega fans that loved one, two,
and three. It's not like, oh, well, we can't go
back because we cast someone else. That is, fans do
not care, like if we did a fourth Cheetah Girl movie,
(39:07):
Rave there just because Raven wasn't in the third one,
in no way means that. Like the fan like, if anything,
they want it back together. Like course, the fans want
the originals of these movies. They don't want them to
be recast, they want to go back. The whole reason
they want it is the nostalgia of it all, So like,
(39:27):
there's no reason why the two of them couldn't figure
out and it would be actually kind of funny to
see a wife and husband team actually still going at it.
Like if they kept the characters that way, I would
personally love for them to get together, figure out a
way to make it work, find the love and wedding.
But yeah, the fans would die for it.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well Judith Hoag's character now, obviously, since Debbie Reynolds has
passed away, Judith Hoage's character has to move to Halloween
Town to take over for it, and then Marnie is
still in the real world. She's then re meets Calibar,
they fall in love, they get married. However, you it's
the first marriage in Halloween Town. We'd get to see
your first wedding.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, come on. There's so many things you could do
with this, where maybe we.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Could put a blonde wig on him and she doesn't
realize that it's calibar.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I think she'd know.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
I think she, Hey, we're going back to Miley Cyrus situation.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
I know, like maybe he travels and falls in love
with her and like has that as a secret and
then they end up having you know, there's so many
things they can get on it with it. Come on, Disney, Jenneal,
give the people what they want.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Get on it man.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Well, thank you Daniel for joining us, and thank you
everybody for joining us.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
For this Park Copper episode. Go back and check out our.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Others because there's been so many awesome interviews and he
was just another one, so uh yeah, one after another
of really great people. So thank you again so much
for joining us, and don't forget to join us next
time over on our other feed, where we're gonna be
watching Phantom of the Megaplex or is a phantom at
the megaplex?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Somebody the megaplex. There there's and there's.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
A phantasm megaplex.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
For sure, there's a megaplex and there's ghosts. I haven't
seen it yet, But there's a phantom. It's a megaplex.
It's gonna be fun. So join us over there and
we will see you next time.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Bye everybody, Bye,
Thank you everybody for joining us on this Park Copper
episode of Magical Rewind. Yes, you are joining us, probably
right from Spookyville, from Halloween.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Town, and oh, we are excited for this one.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
We're excited for all of them, but some of them
are pretty special because not only is this one going
to be able to tell us a little bit about
how to make a spooky movie, but how to fall
in love. Maybe not well doing it, but afterwards. I
can't wait, So please help us welcome. We're very excited
from Halloween Town to this time.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's personal.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm kidding it's Cowbar's revenge. Everybody knows that. Andiel koons, Hey, hey,
what's up. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We are big fans of this franchise. We really are.
We think, yes, it's kind of the perfect balance of.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Spooky but probably spooky not scary, so kids can watch it,
teenagers can watch it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Like we think, it's a really fun world exactly. Yeah,
there's a couple of little bit of scary moments if
you're like yes, but other than that, it's just good
family fun.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, we agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So before we get into that world, and learn everything
we possibly can about it. We always like to find
out how did you become an actor?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Where?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
What in your life made you say I need to
be in this wonderful business of show.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh my gosh, I started acting, like I think in
the third grade I was asked to be tiny Tim
in the high school's production of a Christmas Carol. And
I think my teacher had recommended me for it because
I don't know why. Maybe I was cracking jokes in
the corner of the third classroom. She's like, I can't
get the kid to shut up, so maybe he'll be
okay on stage. Yes, And then I just started doing
(01:50):
more plays and things like that because it was just
so much fun. But I think, really I really decided
to be an actor when I was probably like fifteen
sixteen and I was doing high school and I always
wanted to be a baseball player, and I played like
fifteen years of baseball. Love baseball. But I'm five foot eight,
one hundred and foot pounds, Like, maybe professional baseball is
not the career for me. And yeah, just had some
(02:14):
opportunities and figure, maybe I'll try this acting thing out.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's amaze.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So did you go did you end up getting an
agent an Oregon, right is where you were?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah? Yeah, I grew up in Estacado, Oregon. It's a small,
little like farming town outside of Portland.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Did you get an agent in that area or did
you try to find an agent out to LA or I.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Got an agent eventually. What I did was I went
to Southern Oregon University for about ten minutes because Thenland Oregon,
and they have the Shakespeare Festival. They're known for their
theater program. So I was like, oh, this is gonna
be awesome. I'm gonna get the best theater degree ever.
And I went down there and the theater program, the
only people that were doing the plays were like fourth
year seniors. They were all in their mid twenties and
(02:56):
they were still doing plays, and everybody else was like
a waiter the dinner theater. Oh like, we can't even
get on stage until you were a waiter in the
dinner theater. I'm like, well, I don't want to do that.
We got in LA if. I moved to LA exactly
an actor, so uh, you know, I got the gumption
and I was like, I don't think I need this
(03:17):
school for this stuff. So I moved back up outside
of Portland, and I was eighteen and just thought I
want an agent. How do I do that? And just
started calling agents on the phone. Hey, I want to
be an actor. What do I do? And they're like,
send a headshot? And I'm like, what's a head shot?
And then hey, I want to be an actor?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And they send a headshot? And then finally one lady
was super cool and she talked to me for a
while and named Sandra Peabody. She ended up being my
agent and my acting teacher because she got taught by
Sanford Meisner himself. Wow, so Meisner technique. And I got
an agent through that, and one thing led to another,
and I think my second audition, I booked a Lifetime
movie called fifteen and.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Pregnant, Wow, with Kristin Dunce.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I played another bad boy with
a leather jacket.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
How did how did you get pregnant in that movie?
Very yeah, it's just curious about it. No, So so
that was you, I mean your your first.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Then big thing you book in la Is, a film
with Kirsten Dunst.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
That was actually in Portland when I still lived up there.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh geez, Yet I.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Think they were like, oh, we can hire him as
a local hire. Yeah that's great. Yeah, come on over here, kid. Yeah.
So I managed to do that up there, and it
led to opportunities for me to move down to LA,
which is not the norm. I mean, it's it's not
them usually you moved to LA and you don't know
a soul and all that, and thankfully a manager down
in LA it was like, hey, I saw your movie,
(04:41):
blah blah blah. If you move down, maybe we can
do something like I'm moving to.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I'm on my way. I'm on my way. That is
truly kind of it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It almost seems like we occasionally hear these stories from
people where they're living somewhere and they're super successful where
they live, and then they decide to move to LA
and so it's a you're doing doing you know, plays,
and then you're doing films and then it's like, all right, now,
now I'll move to where where quote unquote where it's happening.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I mean I did everything I could up in Portland.
You know, there were so many Hollywood video training videos
which I was in two, which was awesome, and there
was really hilarily hilariously enough.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, so at the same time you come, so you
come to Los Angeles because I'm always so curious when
people come here.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We're we've talked to.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Some people where they're like, I came to LA and
the first three weeks I was here, I booked nineteen things.
Was it the was it the type of thing where
when you got here you were instantly working all the time,
or was it you got here thinking like, hey, I
just did a movie, I'm gonna I'm gonna work forever,
and then it was like, oh, oh I've auditioned thirty times.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, more more that one. Like, I definitely had a
lot of opportunities, so many auditions, which was great, but
I didn't book for a little while. I book a
commercial here and there. But I remember having a conversation
with my first agent down here at the time it
had been like a year, and I was like, hey,
you know, how are you feeling about this? I haven't
really booked much. He goes, Honey, it's okay. What happens
(06:05):
is your first year you audition, your second year you
get callbacks. The third years when you start booking.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Wow, oh interesting, awesome. Yeah, So is that kind of
what happened?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It is pretty much what happened book a couple of
things here and there. In the third year. I'm like,
Judy Shane was right, So what.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Were you doing like in the meantime as far as
you know, did you have any fun jobs that you
were doing just on the side while, as you know,
you were auditioning and things like that because you were
of age, right you were over eighteen, yes, yeah, and
you were able to yeah, able to do anything. You know,
as far as job goes, what was it? What were
(06:47):
you ending up doing?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I worked at Old Navy first for a little bit,
clothes and doing nice from like seven pm to midnight
or something. And I had a girlfriend at the time
that worked there too, and she got in trouble by
her boss or something. Her boss yelled at her and
made her cry. So I stormed in there and I'm like, well,
you can't talk to my girlfriend that way. I quit
(07:09):
and I quit, and then I was like, oh, no,
I need I need money. Oh no, I'm an adult now,
I forgot. You can't really do that. They my bills. Uh.
So then I ended up being a busser for a
little bit and I probably was the worst busser on
the planet. Why oh yeah, just a little kid with
a chip on his shoulder. And I saw all of
(07:30):
the waiters and waitresses just kind of like hanging out
in the corner when they weren't doing their table on
their phones or whatever, on their phones. I don't even
think we had cell phones.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Back, No, I probably not on their phones and their
phone thing.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And they'd be like, hey, such or such needs the
table bus and I'd be like, well, you're just standing there.
Why don't you do it as an adult? Realizing no,
that's your job. You're you're supposed to do that. Oh yeah,
you know, I learned. I learned how to be an
adult by trial and error.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I think. So then, how what where did you first
get then involved with what we just called the channel
with the Disney Channel? Was it was this your first
ever audition for anything on the Disney Channel? Was?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Was? I had auditioned for a TV show called So Weird? Yeah, okay,
and I had like three or four callbacks. Went all
the way to the top of the Disney Channel building
in Burbank. I'm sure you guys know it. Oh yeah,
went all the way to the top it was down
to me and another guy. Henry Winkler, was the executive producer,
so I got to meet him. I'm like, oh my gosh,
I'm auditioning with the pawns. And I had to play
(08:32):
guitar because my character was supposed to play and sing
and do the audition with him. And it was wonderful
and it felt great, and then neither one of us
got the park.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh you kid.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I was always like, Henry, next time I see you,
and damn you Winkler. I almost got that didn't And
I think maybe I was like in there on their
radar now. So then I auditioned for other things. I
did a couple episodes of another Disney Channel show called
The Jersey. I'm like, oh, yeah, the Jersey. It's like
(09:05):
a magical jersey. The kid puts it, turns into a
sports star.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I played t boton and I was I was like,
the jerk bully guy is his come up ins at
the end. And that was kind of like my foray
into the Disney Channel world.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That's amazing, Well, I think, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So we just did the recap and when we did
the Deep Dive, I believe that the writers also wrote
for so weird.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Oh maybe that's what would.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Make that would make sense that they would know who
you were and bring you bring you back for that one,
which is.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Something that I love about the Channel that they you know,
even when you don't feel like it, because you you're
going for this one specific role, you're getting these callbacks,
you're feeling so good, and then of course, you know
if there's a let down when you don't book the job,
But for the Disney Channel, it's like, oh, yeah, no,
you just didn't book this job. We've got something at
(09:57):
some point that we're gonna end up using you for.
And I love that because they, you know, they have
such a great pull of very talented young actors that
come in and that was one of the things I
remember being excited when I was auditioning for the Channel,
was like just wanting to do my best because I
knew if I didn't book this one that they'd hopefully
(10:18):
want me for something else because they always wanted good,
you know, young talent to come in and you know,
start start working with them. So that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I was, right, Ali, Ali, Marie Matheson, and John Cooksey
wrote the film, and they also, yeah, they wrote for
so weird.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
That's so awesome, that's very cool.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's what I made an impression you did.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So before you auditioned for Halloween Town two, had you
seen or was Halloween Halloween Town one ever on your
radar before? Or was it like you found out about
that the audition and maybe or did you did that
when you watched it or did you not at all?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Did you just come.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
In I went in blood like I hadn't heard of it.
It was a little bit after my time because I
was a little bit older than most of the cast
when I when I booked it, and no, I actually
had three auditions that same day for the first audition
for Halloween Town two, and truth be told, I wanted
a different part more so I didn't work that hard
(11:20):
on the Halloween Town audition, which probably gave me no
nerves at all, and and was like blah blah blah
blah blah, touch a cha, see you later by no, wait,
wait wait, no, I want to give you a call back.
We're gonna and I was like, oh, okay, cool. And
then the second audition, I had gotten the wrong address
for the call back, so I had to race across
(11:41):
town and was angry is a little angry elf By.
I got there because I was late, and oh my god,
who gave me? So then I went in and the
good thing is is one of the scenes was Col's
really angry at the Cromwell witches. So I just got
to like channel that and just all of my rage
being traffic.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I have to know, what was the part that you
wanted in the first audition, and you said you really
wanted something.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I don't even remember. You don't remember what it was.
He was boring pilot season, So okay, it was some
sort of pilot that I was like, Oh, this is
gonna be it, Oh, this other thing whatever whatever. Uh
So I don't even remember what it was.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh that's so funny. I was hoping you're gonna be like, okay,
it was for the Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Do you have so many that they stack up that
you have no idea what's going on?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
But I mean, isn't that such a truth, especially too,
because back then it's like you were probably like looking
up was it? It was either a Thomas Guide or
a map Quest directions and you're like, ah, now I
gotta find a Kinkos and go print on a new
map quest like, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Had the Thomas Gude and I'm like seven, of course.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
My battleship.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You sunk my battles now, is it true? Did you
have to audition like four or five times for the
role I did?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I auditioned four times, I think, and each time I
kept going up higher and higher in the Disney Channel building. Yeah,
and then I ended up at the top again and
it was me and another actor, and funnily enough, Jared Padalachi.
Really I was like okay. And then when I booked
and I'm like, that's right padal Echi. And then right
after because he had he booked something that I didn't
book before and everything, and then he ended up on
(13:16):
Gilmore Girls and the rest is history.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But it was like I got you this, I got
youa this time.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Did you have to do chemistry tests with Kimberly or
with anybody else in the cast or was I just
cast you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I didn't meet Kimberly or anybody. Actually, I didn't meet
Kimberly until rehearsals right before we flew up to Vancouver,
British Columbia, where we didn't even meet her until then.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Worked well actually worked.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't see it
with you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Frankly, it doesn't work on film. I don't We're going
to get into that. We'll get into that hole magic later.
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Speaker 1 (14:57):
What was it like actually shooting the film with especially
I mean, we obviously want to talk about We've talked
to a number of people who were in the first film,
including Kimberly, but we you know, everybody has these amazing
stories about what it was like to work with Debbie
Reynolds and just the legend that is Debbie Reynolds.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
What was it like just being on set with her?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
It was phenomenal because, as you know, she was a
huge movie star, like from the Golden Age of cinema,
and she didn't act like it at all. She just
like cracked jokes and walked around and sang and was
just such a lovely human being. And she was so
kind to me, which I took to heart because I
came in in the second movie where they had all
worked together before. They were like family and everything. Everybody
(15:38):
knew each other, and then I show up and they
were just all so welcoming, especially Debbie, and I just
remember one scene that we were doing was the end
where Cal's up in the rafters, which they actually put
me up in the rafters. I was like twenty five
feet up in the air, chained to the rafters so
I couldn't fall in the big book and I'm doing
(15:58):
the spell and the book was really and I'm like,
oh my gosh. That scene. We had seventy five extras
in there, and we were filming until one thirty two
o'clock in the morning, and everybody was tired. The extras
were tired, we were tired, and they were like, we
need more energy for the scene. So Debbie she I
think she was sixty eight at the time, she went
out there and started singing and dancing and cracking jokes
(16:19):
right in the middle of all the extras, got all
the energy up. And then she looks at Mary Lambert,
who's the director, Yeah, are we good, and She's like, okay,
we're good. And then we continued to film it just
it lit up the entire scene. It was so cood.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Oh that's awesome, total pro Yeah, that's one of those. Yeah,
that's one of those, I mean legends. It's somebody who's
born to do exactly that.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yes, absolutely. What about the rest of the time was it?
What was the weather like when you were in Canada,
because the weather has a like it's it can be
super hot when everyone's just like sweating. Or was it
cold or did you actually get nice weather in Canada?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It was. It was a little chilly and rainy. We
filmed in February, but that's okay, I'm from Oregon.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Was a right exact.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Everything in the rain, you ride your bike in the rain,
you played on the range, he just wet all the time.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
You have to did your did the cast hang out
while like off days of filming or did you guys
get a chance to hang out a lot or was
it just go go go with film?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
It was we we hung out here and there and everything.
But the funny thing is I was up there for
five weeks filming, but which they don't do anymore. They
pretty much pack in a full movie of the week
until like three weeks now. But I was five weeks
and I only filmed ten days of it. So she
basically left to my own devices to like walk around
Vancouver all the other times. And I saw Stanley Park
(17:41):
and such a beautiful city, So I was to explore
a lot of that when I wasn't on set filming.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
And now, did you get along with anybody particularly well
while filming the movie?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh no, I don't really know what happened in any.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Of those guys.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
No. I mean, like, we obviously know where you ended up,
but we've heard that you were just pals.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
When we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Go, we're gonna compare stories of what Kimberly actually told
us and want to see if you have a different
side of things, because, to be honest, after watching the
Halloween Town two, the way the chemistry did not go
along with what Kimberly told us.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Whether let me ask you this, so have you when's
the last time you watched the movie?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Oh my gosh, I don't. I don't even remember. It's
it's been a while.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Okay, I'm gonna need you to go back and watch
this scene just very quickly. Watch the scene where you
first walk in and she sees you because she looks
you up and down like you are a side of beef.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
It was like I had to pause it and rewind it, like,
oh my god, I'm amazed that's the take they used,
Like you have to go look at it again. And
where she is just undressing, taking off your clothes.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I can't it was comfortable.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
It is fairly Disney Channel appropriate.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Something like it was.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
And then my mouth just goes down.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It was it was unbelievable. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Which I'm to be honest, you know. Okay, So she
told us, you guys were just friends. There was nothing,
you know, because there was a pretty good age difference
that matters at that time, right, and so she said, no,
we were just really good friends. And then but I'm
thinking in my head, I'm like, i know what it's
like to be whatever age. She was like fifteen sixteen
(19:45):
at this time, and this like hot guy comes onto
the this girl onto the set. Now you're doing a
thing with him, and you're just you're just being yourself
because he's good looking and he's supposed to be your
love interest at this point. Let it go.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, well, I mean the chemistry was obviously great. We
were definitely professionals. Because I'm a little bit older than her.
I was too when I did it, right, he was sixteen,
so yeah, there's a bit of a difference there. Now
they were older, not much of a difference, more mature
than I am, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, that's not a big age that's not a big
age of it. Now, my wife and I have a
much different age difference than that. So yeah, that's that's nothing.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
That's not But that does not mean that she wasn't
looking at you going hey, damn, it should.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Be your screensaver.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, where she goes, she's just like, oh my god,
did I.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Just see that?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I can't. I'm definitely.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
So now because that's so. I mean, you know, years later,
you guys, I know rekindled, like you know, your friendship
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, I want to get into that a little bit,
but first we have a logistical question to ask for you.
When we watched the movie, it's Calibar with a K,
but in the credits and in the UH captions it's.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Calibar with a C. So how do you spell Calibar?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I spell cal with the K okay l is because
Calibar is with the K, right, and I'm Calibar Junior,
So I always spelled it with a K. But it
used to be Halloween Town to return to Halloween Town
is what it was called first, and that ended up
being I think the fourth one, and they changed it
(21:35):
to Calibar's Revenge, so they they were trying to figure
out all kinds of stuff on what to call it and.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Everything, right, But in the first movie, he Calibar's name
is spelled with the c oh, is it Yeah? So
it was changed for the second movie.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Oh well, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, so was your script? When you do you remember
when you're when you read your script? Was it spelled
with a K cal?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
It might have been, or it might be. I don't
know particular. It was just like bal bull bull my line.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh god, that is so funny.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
When you came into filming, and obviously you said you'd
missed the first one. I understand you're a little old
to be watching the Disney Channel. You go in, you
get a job, you're an actor.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Did you have any idea of how big the first
Halloween Town was?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
No, I don't think so, because back then it wasn't
I think as huge as it is now, obviously social
media and everything and the multi deerations that are now
watching it. But I think it was like the second
or the third Disney Channel movie was the first one
when it came out, so Disney Channel was still kind
of like it was going because it had been three
(22:50):
years since the first one. But It wasn't like, dunt
dunc donald, We're gonna have a red carpet premiere and
all of that for the second one. But no, I
mean it was I didn't realize how big it would
be at all, which is amazing because it's been such
a wonderful thing over the years to just see it
grow and grow and get to meet so many fans
all over.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So when did you kind of get the feeling that, oh,
I'm involved in a franchise here that's kind of timeless.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Uh, It wasn't until like years later, where every once
in a while somebody that was that wasn't a child anymore,
a little bit older, it'd be like, wait, in a second,
you look familiar, were you cal And I'm like, you know,
you saw the movie? You know, you do your job,
and then you're like, where's my next job? Where's my
next job? Of course, So it wasn't until really, i
(23:36):
mean really years later, and especially when I got together
with Kimberly and everything, that's when just like the fandom exploded.
I mean it used to crack me up. When we
first started dating. We'd go somewhere and she'd be recognized
everywhere we'd go like like I remember one of our
first dates. I took her to Killer Shrimp, which was
this place on Sure place like Grant Place. I love
(23:57):
that kind of stuff. So it was packed. There was
a Saturday night, it was packed, and we're waiting for
a table and there was a big table over in
the corner which was full of a bunch of people
and it was some guy's birthday there and they were
singing Happy birthday or happy birthday to you, and the
guy all of a sudden goes Happy Birthday, kimber The
whole restaurant just goes and just stuff and we're just
(24:25):
so that was one of the first introductions to like,
oh oh yeah, like people really really know who you.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Are, Like yeah, yeah, Well she was a bit of
a decom legend at the time. We've done several of
her films with Quints and all that kind of stuff.
I mean, people, she's one of the quintessential I quote
unquote I grew up with her. Like if you're the
right age, then you grew up with a lot of
Kimberly's films.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So it's yes you can.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
And the idea that this movie and then and then
later on the franchise took over the Halloween season for
the channel. This was like such a between this and
Hocus Focus. That's what was running on the channel all
the time for kids to watch. So even if you
weren't around for the years that they were actually aired,
(25:12):
you still saw them way later on, you know what
I mean. So I think that was a huge thing too.
Is Kimberly was the face of it, I mean, of
Halloween season on the channel. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Oh yeah. There's so many people now that tell her
you were my childhood. That's that's my favorite quote that
I probably heard the most is you were my childhood.
You were my childhood.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
So cute to see a full grown adult be like,
oh my god, I were back to an eight year older. Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And I imagined too with you guys being together, because
this happens with one of like the bandmates and the
Cheetah Girls. Whenever, if we're together, maybe someone will pass
by me and kind of go oh, that person kind
of looks like and then they see her. So I
bet it's the same way like if they passed by
oh kind of and then they see you and they're like,
wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I usually get away with just walking around by myself
and nobody really looks twice, but then they this is
the look that I usually get from people if I'm
by myself, they walk by and then they go, no,
I don't know, I can't make that. Yeah, But whenever
it is with Kimberly, it's very funny because they recognize
her right away and they're talking and then suddenly they
(26:27):
glance over me. Oh my god. So that's just the
funnest thing.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
That's great for you. I when I'm with Danielle Fisher,
I just take all the pictures.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
People just hand me the phone. They're like, can you
take a picture of me with the PEG? I'm like,
you got it? Sure, Like, no joke. It's like, that's
the coming, that's no joke. That's serious.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I always take the pictures with
Danielle and everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So that's hilarious. I take a lot of pictures for
Kimberly and a fan to right, that's yeah, so sorry,
I'm so sorry, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Like, no, no, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
More than do the same thing. Yeah, I'm the same thing.
So the movie comes out. Did you watch it when
it came out? Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, yeah, did you do a party? Did you?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
We had a little little viewing party with all of
my my out of work actor friends and everything and
all that October twelfth, actually, so it's been four years now.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah. We had a tiny little apartment in Canoga Park, California,
and we all crammed in it and watched it on TV.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Oh fine, Now there is.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
There's kind of a hint, and we don't want to
jump too far ahead because we're doing them all. We're
obviously we were spacing them out. But there's a hint
that Calibar comes back. Does he come back in the
third one?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Well, I don't know. He did fly away in a
huff in the end of the site, so mad and
he flew away in a ball and they were back
and we'll be waiting and he never came back.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
He doesn't. Okay, Oh man, do they come back? He's
like no, no, he never comes back.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
He's still out there formulating a plan. I bet you
multi layered. Now, there's no way they can defeat him.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Now. That is so.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Actually, if they do another Halloween Town, which they should,
and it should be an og cast Halloween Town, I
think that him coming back now after having been able
to plan for twenty four years is probably pretty great.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
He better have a good plan because if he's obviously.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
One of you, he could actually I mean, this could
actually be the storyline of the Cromwells and Calibars family
actually having a love story that works and we get
past the past.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I like that. I mean that would be cool.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Maybe we get a wedding because I love weddings. Do
we get a spooky wedding.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Wedding?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, they haven't. I mean, it could be fun.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So the film ends, you both go your your own
separate way. How do you meet back up with Kimberly
and start your life?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Oh? We we were friends afterwards and kind of got
together everyone. So I think I went to her twentieth
birthday party things like that. But we had we had
kind of fallen out of touch for a good decade.
Life happens, and she got a hold of me on Facebook.
Actually on Facebook. She just got a hold of me
and said, hey, I haven't seen you in a while.
(29:26):
I haven't talked you in a while. But I was
getting together with some friends and we were gonna film
some funny little shorts for my YouTube channel. Just wondering
if you'd be happy to be involved with it. I'm
just like, yeah, that's great. Well it's been a while,
so let's uh, let's go grab dinner. So I'm sitting
like up at the bar because we're all of age now,
(29:46):
just waiting for her to come in, and I'm like, oh,
little Kimberly Brown and then in wox adult Kimberly Brown,
and it was it probably would have been my same face.
I just looked over. I was like the bomb.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I love it. And then filming all the fun little
shorts and everything that we did, it's just one thing
led to another and we caught the feelings and now
we're married.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
And now you're married.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Man, that is really really cool. So in your household,
which one is considered better Halloween Town one or Halloween
Town two.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, now that is a huge debate. I could say
the first one is considered better because it's the og
and it's it started everything. But I'm a little partial,
so I said a second. She says the first sometimes
the third she's like she she really likes the third, okay,
which is great, but the second one it's close to
(30:48):
my heart and it was darker because the director, Mary
Lambert was the director. She directed the original Pet Cemetery,
so she horror film director.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yes, and tails from the Crypt. She's big. She really,
she really likes the spooky genre.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, she wanted to take Halloween Town too and make
it darker, and she had all these ideas, and Disney's like,
this is a children's movie. We can't great like you're
going to terrify a generation of children.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But it's definitely darker than the first one.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I mean, they wanted that kind of that kind of spookiness,
which I thought worked really well frankly for the film.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Oh, I think so too, kind of like yupped the
ante for everything.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, I think that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well, I mean I guess to wrap up our wonderful
interview here, we always like to ask a pretty important question,
which is, I know you're a little older, so you
might have you might have missed.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Well just he well he was just older.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
For I know, I'm just saying, I'm just couching it
by saying I would understand if if he wasn't a
huge fan, But what was your favorite dcom of all time?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh my gosh, I would have to say maybe cadet.
I think the auditioned for it, so I knew about
it and everything, and so it sticks. It sticks in
the heart and sticks in the brain a little bit.
But okay, yeah, yeah, that was a pretty good one.
(32:14):
There's so many of them. Yeah, great, Twitches is awesome.
But yeah, probably condeted.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Kelly Kelly, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
You're the first one to kidnet Kelly as as a favorite,
which is great. And then five, Well, one thing I
do want to talk about before we get it is
because you have a new Hallmark movie right starring Lasshever
and you and Kimberly. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, wow. It's called haul Out the Halloween. And so
it's if you've seen it's a third one in a series.
So there was haul Out the Holly, which was all
about Christmas and everything, the Holly two Lit Up, which
was always about Christmas too, and then the third one
is haul Out the Halloween. So it's basically about a
neighborhood with a very strong hoa that has so many
(33:02):
rules about everything and rules for Christmas and stuff. So
Kimberly and I play Marvin and Luna Balmer and we're
a married couple that they lived their life every day
as if it's Halloween. They love Halloween so much and Shakespeare,
but they love Halloween. So we move into the neighborhood
and we introduce the Christmas neighborhood to Halloween, and then
(33:27):
hijinx ensue.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Wow, so it's almost kind of like a reverse nightmare
before Christmas.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It was this the first time you worked with your
your wife as your wife?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Actually yeah, other than the fun little sketches that we do,
all of the ideas that she comes up with. She's like, hey, babe,
I got this crazy idea, and I'm like, yes, I
do want to do that.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yes. So it was good to be able to actually
be on the same side.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And this one, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Where did you shoot this one?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
We shot it in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, a d coma another decom capital of the world.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I had never been to before. And it is gorgeous,
like the real neighborhood. The mountains behind it.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Were stunning, just stunning, super friendly people. It's yeah, it's
a really it's a fun place to shoot a film.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So. Okay, where do we see that? Is that the
Hallmark Channel or yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
That's that's on a Hallmark channel and then Hallmark Plus
now it aired October eleventh, uh, and now you can
check it out on Hallmark Plus, uh whenever you want.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, all right, we're definitely definitely going to go check
that out.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And now for for our last question, we we touched
on it, but if you had to tell us, where
do you think Calibar is right now?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
What is he doing?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Oh my gosh, Well he could be hunkered down in
the woods somewhere still plotting his revenge, or hopefully he's
a little older now, his angst has gone down and
he's an insurance salesman in Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That would be.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
That would be such an interesting film to do. It's
just he's given up all magic and he's.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Just so to just forget it. We found up on
one of the early things that Kimberly and I shot
for her YouTube channel. We shot a short called Realm
Are They Now? Which was about cal and where he
was now years later after and he's in magical rehab.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
That's kind of brilliant.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, money, yeah, all the therapy. He's like, look, everything's fine.
I was angry then I'm not angry at maybe he's
still a little angry.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Is this Wait? Are these on YouTube? Where is this
on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
I have to see this. Yeah, okay, it's a realm.
That's now realm?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Are they now?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
That's that's good? I love that.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I love that all right.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Thank you so much for joining us, for really really
happy to have you here.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
This was a fun movie.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
We've like, we've liked him both so far, and that's
I don't think we've done that with a lot of
movies where I think Cheetah Girls. We like both of
the first two we've seen, but there's some times we
get into a sequel and we're like that.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
As good as the first one.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
This was great?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, great, Yeah, they It really was a.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Great much guys, I appreciate it. I'm glad you liked it.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Thank you Daniel so much for joining us so much.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Of course, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It was a blast, and congratulations on everything. I can't wait.
I love Hallmark, so I am like that is going
to be on tonight, can't wait.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
We're so happy. We actually got to watch it on
the premiere. We were doing a con somewhere, so we
we got to watch it like right afterwards on the
app and everything and good. It was really good. It's funny.
It's got hard too, but it's really funny. I loved
that it like it was funny.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And you're still in the Halloween world, which is the
people must have loved to see the two of you together.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, it's great. Well, thank you so much. We're going
to check it out, of course.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Thanks guys, appreciate it. Bye, okay, bye.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Man.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Just the idea that they got married and they're.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Probably so fun to hang out with. Oh my gosh,
they are.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Well I've got the chance to do it.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
So it's we've seen each other at cons and all
that kind of stuff, and they're just they're very in
love and they're and the idea that they have this
kind of cool history of yes, there was nothing there,
he was older. They shot up and she was looking
at him like that, and then years later he's looking
at her the same way and they're married.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I love it. I love it. That's so awesome And
for them to like have I mean, it's such an epic,
like like I said to me, Kimberly like embodies Spooky
Season for Disney Channel, like that is you know she
just I mean, and then the fact that they're both
recognized together. It would be so fun to be around
(37:43):
them when a fan sees them and then links it like,
that's just so cute.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And now she married the enemy she married? How is
that possible?
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Did another one? It makes so much sense for him
to have. Now also, let's incorporate his his going to react, But.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
How does how do how does Disney?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
And I still we didn't get the whole story because
I think again, she's Kimberly's classy, so she's not going
to tell the whole story about why she wasn't in
the fourth film because she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
That's just not her way.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
So how Disney can look at the two of them
at like now that they're married and not say, how
do we not do another film with the two of them?
Either they did get married or they get married at
the end of the movie because they're married.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
How you don't take that and run? I will never understand.
So hopefully though.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Well, and here's the thing, look like, look like fans,
especially fans that are the mega fans that loved one, two,
and three. It's not like, oh, well, we can't go
back because we cast someone else. That is, fans do
not care, like if we did a fourth Cheetah Girl movie,
(39:07):
Rave there just because Raven wasn't in the third one,
in no way means that. Like the fan like, if anything,
they want it back together. Like course, the fans want
the originals of these movies. They don't want them to
be recast, they want to go back. The whole reason
they want it is the nostalgia of it all, So like,
(39:27):
there's no reason why the two of them couldn't figure
out and it would be actually kind of funny to
see a wife and husband team actually still going at it.
Like if they kept the characters that way, I would
personally love for them to get together, figure out a
way to make it work, find the love and wedding.
But yeah, the fans would die for it.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well Judith Hoag's character now, obviously, since Debbie Reynolds has
passed away, Judith Hoage's character has to move to Halloween
Town to take over for it, and then Marnie is
still in the real world. She's then re meets Calibar,
they fall in love, they get married. However, you it's
the first marriage in Halloween Town. We'd get to see
your first wedding.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, come on. There's so many things you could do
with this, where maybe we.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Could put a blonde wig on him and she doesn't
realize that it's calibar.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I think she'd know.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
I think she, Hey, we're going back to Miley Cyrus situation.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
I know, like maybe he travels and falls in love
with her and like has that as a secret and
then they end up having you know, there's so many
things they can get on it with it. Come on, Disney, Jenneal,
give the people what they want.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Get on it man.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Well, thank you Daniel for joining us, and thank you
everybody for joining us.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
For this Park Copper episode. Go back and check out our.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Others because there's been so many awesome interviews and he
was just another one, so uh yeah, one after another
of really great people. So thank you again so much
for joining us, and don't forget to join us next
time over on our other feed, where we're gonna be
watching Phantom of the Megaplex or is a phantom at
the megaplex?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Somebody the megaplex. There there's and there's.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
A phantasm megaplex.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
For sure, there's a megaplex and there's ghosts. I haven't
seen it yet, But there's a phantom. It's a megaplex.
It's gonna be fun. So join us over there and
we will see you next time.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Bye everybody, Bye,
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