How Much? Reparations

Malik interviews Professor Reginald Muhammad, the Co-founder and Director of the National Reparations Institute in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My League buds has how the knowledge you want. My
league buds has how the knowledge you need? My League buds. Yeah,
they have all the books that the whole wild world
want to read. My League Books. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to
Melik's Bookshelf, bringing the world together with books, culture and community. Hi,

(00:23):
my name is Leek, your host of Malik's Bookshelf. This
is going to be a controversial episode because I'm talking
about a sensitive subject. This been in legislation, particularly in
California for a few years now. There's talk about reparations.

(00:43):
So I thought today I'll talk about this subject matter.
And I have a young man that I knew, known
for many years. This moved away to Atlanta, but I
thought i'd reach out to him and get an interview
on reparations. His name is Reginald Mohammed, and he's one
of the leading voices for reparationists in this country. He

(01:08):
founded an organization called National Reparations Institution, and he's published
a book to address the blueprint and in steps needed
to bring about reparations to create a generation of change
and what he calls complete reparations. So stay tuned for
that interview. The interview is so long that I'm not

(01:30):
able to do a book review or talk about any
other subject matter, because I want you to hear this
complete interview I was able to do with him in
the reparations movement. Now, as I stated earlier, this is
a very sensitive subject, reparations. A lot of people has
chimed in on this subject matter, a lot of people afford,

(01:52):
a lot of people against it. But hey, it is real,
it is taking place down in America, and it's something
that's not going to go away. So hey, enjoy this
episode because it is enlightening. Today, I'm gonna talk about
a sensitive subject that you know has many different viewpoints.

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But the person that I'm interviewing about this subject matter, reparations,
is at on the forefront and one of the leading
voices trying to get reparations for the black in America.
He represents the National Reparations Institution. His name is reginal Mohammed,

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and I'm gonna bring him on so that he can
touch on what he's doing about his book, reparations and
what's upcoming. How are you doing today, Reginald, good brother,
be league, how are you and how's the family and
your customer based get in Los Angeles. Wonderful, wonderful. I
forgot to mention I've known this brother. He used to

(02:58):
be out here on the West coast, now you're on
the East coast. He reversed it, just like I was
on the East coast and then I'm on the West coast.
But this brother continues to be a voice for change
and hope in America. The family is doing well. I
hope your family is doing well. I want to get
right on in this. I want our honest to know

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more about what you're doing and how this the reparation
the National Reparation Institution, and how it is you know,
trying to bring reparations to the black community. Well, brother,
may thank you again, And first off, I want to
congratulate you because you've been there more than a couple

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of decades in Los Angeles area and had provided to
have been a source and a hub for information for
the masses of our people. And brother, we are always
invented and grateful for that you and your family and
Malik books Uh and I know you have two or
three locations there and we want to just say thank
you and we're grateful an appreciative brother that you will
allows to be on your Podcastly, just a little background

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about what I do it and how we've been doing it. Um,
I've done a reparationists and in the movement for more
than thirty years now. I'm originally I'm originally from St. Petersburg, Florida.
And what's unique about St. Petersburg, Florida. Brother, That is
the face of the home of the All African People's
Socialist Party and the rural movement. UH the longest running

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revolutionary newspaper, the Bird Experience out of St. Petersburg, Florida. Well,
what's your unique about that? Brother? Back in the two
they're the first organization to have an international reparations cry
funeral in the country. And the first book ever published
by US on reparations is called Stolen Black Labor, and

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that was published by Chairman Oldmolly, yesa tell er, we
have to give him credit, but for that. And when
I read that book, brother, and while I was teaching
at the Marcus Garvey School right there in Los Angeles,
right there on on Austin off of Crinshaw, when I
was teaching that brother, and I was convinced of the

(05:07):
reparations movement. And of course, you know I'm a long
term veteran member of the Nation of Islam. Well, if
you go to point number four, UH, the Honor Gilizer
Muhammas program, that is a reparations program. And so from
their brother Lee UH coming from full circle today UH
in Atlanta, we have We've been blessed to have the
first policies and in think tank censored on reparations. We're

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not a competing organization on the reparations piece. But what
we are is the policies and in think tank, and
all we do is UH is research, writing, published, and
propagating reparations for the masses of our people. And so
bottom line, UM, one of the things that I was
blessed to do UH back more than a decade. The

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goal of brother Malee is that I published my If
you go online now you put of my master thesis.
It's called the Movement to Secure Reparations for Blacks in
America and an analysis of fragmented models and methodologies would
even give me a master's degree until because my critique
and criticism of the reparations movement, it lacked a model

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in the methodology. See what why is that important blocks
have been organizing for reparations for more than a hundred
years in America, and I know California. California has just
passed arrest reparations initiative. What's from lacking into you and
your audience is that there was no clear model in
methodology for actually doing it. If you say that you're

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building ah, if you say you're gonna do some building
in Los Angeles, commercial or residential, at some point you
have to provide a blueprint to the City of Atlanta
in order for you to Planning department. In order for
you to do any building in and in uh in
um l A for a commercial building or residential building,

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somebody's gonna ask you, where's your former plane? Is your blueprint?
That was missed. That's what was missing in the reparations movement.
Their organizations who had who were giving speeches and conferences
and a blessed to have a ten point program, but
they were lacking a model and a methodology for actually
securing reparations. So since I have been very critical of

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the movement, brother the the the National Reparation Decoration which
you sell and over thirty of the black bookstores around
the country cell in their bookstore that is the blueprint
for Securing reparation for the masses of our people. Say
that title again of the book, you said, well, I'd
say the title again of the book. The book is
called the Movement to Secure Reparations for Blacks in America.

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The subtitle is a Qualitative and Quantitative train Work for
a Black Redress and what's the holiday the bookstore right now?
On both of them, and and again it's sold in
over thirty thirty one bookstores, uh in the United States
right now. And again it is the blueprint because the
other thing that was missing in the in the movement, uh,

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brother Blake, is that you ask blacks, Okay, what does
what does that look like? Well, you're getting a different answers.
If you have a hundred people walking your store and
you asked him what reparations looked like, you get under
different answers. Absolutely, And it's an ongoing subject. So I
was just gonna interject there's I mean, I get people
in the store all the time or when I'm out

(08:26):
in the commune all the time talking about reparations, and
it's just it's a million different points of view. But
one thing is for certain is the black people still
looking for that forty acres in the mill there was
promised out of slavery. Yes, sir, that's shoot absolutely. And
one of the things that's happening in the movement. You
got a black petty bush by sector and white liberals

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holly and give me a check. But remember the menister said, brother,
if we're not talking eight to ten states is to
sell out. And it's a compromise. Right now, brother Blake
blacks us two million acres of land today. In to
nineteen seventy we were controlling over fifteen million acres of land.
And we know land is about freedom, justice and equality.

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We're talking about manufacturing who's clothing and shelter or you
gotta have land to do that. They're all forty five
million black people in America and they're operating on less
than two million acres of land. So we lost thirteen
million acres of land in the last how many years
in the in the last fifty years, we have lost
that meni acres of land absolutely, and and so that

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so the reparations piece, when you're talking complete reparations and
now complete reparations, you're talking the land question has to
be done with it. Now, let me ask you this
is there such thing as a short term plan for
reparation and the long term plan for reparations. Oh, absolutely,
because some of the short term plan is uh by

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the leak is that you see states around the country
and cities and municipalities UH taught reparations and they're doing
the best that they can. But what's what's missing in
the in the dialogue, but it is that they have
not had anybody to come in and quantify what that
looks like and give you and give an evaluation. I'm
gonna give an example. Let's look at California, I UH,

(10:17):
and I can provide the letter to you in into
your listeners. Brother. Four months five months ago, I warned
uh the state of California, the nine commissioners that all
of them got a copy of a letter from me.
Is that not to UH make it lineage base that
the only way you can qualify from reparations is proved lineage.

(10:38):
But that is a black bogeoid and white liver team
scheme and tactic to really keep the masses of people
who deserve reparations from getting reparations. What do I mean
by that? So you're saying that people gotta prove lineage? Brother,
high poop and ray radium gonna be able to prove
lineage when it was against the law for us to

(10:59):
read and write in a American how are they gonna
be able to prove lineage? Brother, without the resources to
be able to track and trace that. So you're saying
that anybody blacks you just qualified automatically. What I you know,
it's just not based on just uh, you black and
you qualify automatically. What has to happen with that, brother,
is what we develop is what is known as the

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deal method. We first off look at damage, injury and loss.
It's a California population. Let's look at we we know
blacks were in California in the early hundreds. Let's look
at the population that was there. Let's look at some
of the some of the lineage is not It is
not an absolutely uh. It's not that we take take

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lineage all the way out of there. But it has
to be more than just lineage because they're they're those
who were responsible for the enslavement and trafficking of black people.
Remember I didn't notice that didn't say slave trade. I
said the enslavement and trafficking of black people in the
state of California. And so we gotta be able to
look at populations that were damaged. We gotta look at

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populations now here in the century how they were ill affected,
and then decide what the damages are, at the loss
and the injury. It can't just be when you talk
about lineage vase. Now you got a population that does
not know how or where to even begin to prove lineage.
But if it's systematically locked out, locked under, that's the
poopy and ray raytion. They name him who deserved reparations, brother,

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And now we've got the bush wire sector saying, well,
you gotta prove lineage. Well, right now there's a fight.
There's a fight about to happen, is already happening in California.
Because what what will happen when Gavin Newson, who said
that he will he will approve two hundred twenty uh
two twenty five million dollars UH two and twenty five

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thousand dollars for blacks uh for reparations as individuals or families. Well, brother,
the average house in in California's about four d fifty
thousand dollars. So again, that will not eradicate the homeless
problem that you got there in uh in Los Angeles,
it won't even move the need of the poverty rate,
to dropout rate, in concerration, in concerration rate, of the

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destruction of the black family, the psychological damage that will
not that's not complete reparations. That is a payment, okay,
but it's not complete reparation. It's a it's a down
payment towards reparations, but certainly not it's a down payment
towards reparations, but it's certainly not a remedy to bring

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a which because my understanding, my brother, is that when
it comes to reparations, okay, what's the end game and
what's the goal here? You know, money don't solve all problems,
and you know a lot of things we suffer from
has nothing to do with money. You can put a food,
you can you you can build a house and give
it to a fool and et and a food and

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money was soon part the thing. The thing. That thing
is we have a lot of damages mentally psychologically. That
was done. And my point is is that reparations, you know,
the end game and the goal here is to create
a generation of change, and we know that it starts
with land and we know that we have to create

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institutions and bring about an environment where the thinking and
the culture is changed in order to bring about a
universal change. And so that's the long term minds and
that's the long term strategy when it comes to reparation.
But here's the thing, you know, is reparations realistic in

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the in this dayn time? And is America gonna own
up to what we call, you know, paying the debt
that is old too black people for the oppression because
no one has suffered more in America then under the government.
The government of America has created more harsh and oppression

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than any slave trader. You know. You know, America is
as a as a nation you know, has great sins.
But those great sins, you know, can also uh it
can be said outside of the great sins that the
you know, opportunities and the um and and and and

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and and the environment and the culture that America created
created a lot of wealth for a lot of individuals
in America. And you know, and and the greatness that
in America is tied to the success of Black America
as well. Many inventions, many many, many of the things

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that are people are proud of about America you'll find
black people right there every step of the way. And
so you know, we you know this is you know
this is so this is a very intended I hear
your passion and and I hear, brother that you could
tell that you brother, you know, speaking from your heart.
You're you're very intellectual your passion and for this movement. Um,

(16:08):
you know, I've been knowing you for a long time.
This is the first time I've had this engage me
with you regarding all these years of regarding the reparations
and you've put so many miles in so many years
into you know, working diligent and actively trying to bring
about you know, and that goal, that ultimate goal, which

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is to create a generation to change. And from hearing
everything you're saying, these individual payments that are being talked about,
it is not gonna solve that generation to change exactly.
But think about it and put it in this context.
You're absolutely right, brother, is let's put it in this context.
At the reparations and National Reparations Institude here in Atlanta,

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here's what here the four goals and objectives. Because of
Ken you raised the question about can we really secure reparations?
Is it possible or feasible for the federal government. But
our number one objective is to consolidate movement. There there
there various voices, various organizations on reparation. Be very clear
about consolidating the movement. Number two is to control our

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own narrative. Number three is to implement the National Reparation
Declaration nationwide. Number four is to implement the collected culture
model that will actually secure reparations for blacks in America.
You say, uh, and let me let me say go
back to the declaration. What's key about that declaration. For
the first time, brother Malie, we quantified what reparation, what

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the cost would be. We we broke down the land question,
the quantification scale that in that declaration. It's a sixty
two page book. Brother. We didn't go ask white cicalars
to do this for us and about us. But that
was developed at the Institute UH, at the National Reparations
Institute in Atlanta. So for the first time, we quantified

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what reparations look like based on the land that was
lost the years of free labor, rather than to um
the exploitation and the murder of black people. And so
we use four variables to calculate it. Dr ray Winbush
read it at Market State University. He's considered the dean
of the movement. He wrote the book and that you

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used to sell in your story should America pay? He
read the declarations. He said in his forty years, brother Moly,
he had never found a better calculation than what we
had provided at the National Operations Institute. Now you say, yes,
the federal government or brother Malie, but we're about to publish. Brother,
do you know that they're over thirty six thousand excuse me,

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thirty five thousand plantations that are still up and operating
that made their money off the enslavement and trafficking of
black people. Now they're under different names and different companies
and foundations on those those properties now, but they made
their fortune off the enslavement and trafficking the black people.
They will be will be publishing that. Some of them
will come to the table. So it's not just the

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federal government. It's the federal government that owes the're not
practice that ores that select mongt national corporations, that oires
some of the nonprofits, that ours major universities, Harvard University,
whether they stepped out six months ago. If you go
to the wall Street Journal. And you'll see six months
ago they stepped out and say agreed to pay a
hundred million dollars in reparations. Why, brother man, how would

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University of h b c U participated? Harvard O Harvard? Okay?
I thought I heard would. I was like, h b
c U Okay, that's okay, harved one million dollars? Why
because our research shows that brother forty one of the
founding members of Harvard University were enslaved u slave owners.

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But and that's how they meet there. Well so, and
one of the reason they have agreed to pay Brother Mali.
Some of their staff and students have a copy of
the declaration that you have in your store. They know
we're coming. So now they didn't already jumped out there
and said they and we hits them in the declaration
with some other schools like Brown University, uh in the university?

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How how did they ar? Well? Okay? So, so Harvard
stepping out and they want to offer a hunted millen
to the war chest for reparations, A hunted mill that
that seems to being an insult. That seems to be
an insult. They already admitted and their other white universes.
What what what's your colrelation? My brother? Because I got

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for the audience of my league folk show Reginald Drup
this calculation. Did you arrived at your origin? To say
institution arrived at? What's this calculation? How much money is
the over eighty three trillion dollars? Eighty three three dollars question?
Much of that has to do with the land piece, brother, belie.

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And when you go back to our declaration, we spell
it out and lay it out and eighty three you
you you, Every university is going bankrupt, America is going bankrupt.
All the insurance companies are going bankrupt. The nonprofit organization
are going bank rup. So let's get real. Eighty three

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trillion dollars? Where is that gonna come from? Important and
key and critical. See they're printing money all day every day,
and they can easily say, but you can't print land.
You cannot print land. Sector talking about give me a check, brother,
that's to sell out and us a compromise. Because at
the end of the day, brother, believe the land question

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becomes key. That is, that's the number one ingredient. Reparation
is not just money, brother, but but think about the
black farmers. Brother, they need irrigation systems, they need equipment.
So part of that reparation packages are communication systems, farming equipment. Brother.
The land question becomes key and critical because you're right,

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they they print money all day that that they have
any value and that's losing value. But we know, but
we know you can't print land. Do you know that?
That's that's that's part of our requests from complete reparations.
And remember, brother Lee, we're talking complete reparations here now.
Uh Dr William Darty at Duke University, I'm sure you

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can you sell his book it's called From Here to
Equality Reparations for Blacks in the twenty one century. Found
his sixteen page book. Yes, and I give derety credit
great historic dekies, but it is not a blueprint. He
if you read the book. I have the book in
the library and they've read it, and that what there
that comes up with is that is that black star

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old and minimum of fifteen trillion dollars he weighed Lord
than eighty three he's talking. See that's the black buge
wild wealth. Yeah, that will not move the needle and
solve the poverty and generational wealth in black America Brother team.
If we're talking a minimum of eighty three trillion dollars,
and remember they have four entities that owe us the

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fellow government, state and local. Then you're talking about nonprofits,
select multinational corporations and then to UH the select multinational
corporation nonprofits UH. And then then you're talking individual um
in the plantations. Plantations get the individual plantation thirty five

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thousand of that ow us and so that so it's
not the deal that eight three kreion knowledge is not
a deal for all for just one entity of one body.
That is collectively what they owe us. Again, if you
read the declaration, you'll see in that compilation, and we
have gotten excellent scholarly reviews their organizations who are ready

(23:38):
who who have a problem with Reginald Muhammed, but they
have not come back and countered in the UH the
declaration and what we have documented it is not just rhetoric,
not at all, seventeen eighteen citations in the declaration, and
it's made out in a very system and a very
cool here you're talking about you people, absolutely, I mean,

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was the value what's the value of a human life?
You know, what's the value of a torture of a
human of a human being. What's the value of taking
away their the opportunity from them to have prosperity and
then fulfillment of freedom, justice, inequality. You know, you you're
trying to calculate, you know, and it comes down, you know,

(24:20):
how much is a life worth? Where I heard what
I remember when Um and thinking grow rich Um The
Black Choice by Dennis Kimbo. He talking that teaching the
Department of Political He talked about in the book about
the wealth. You know, how they calculate a live a life.

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And at one point, if you just calculating his oregans
and this and that back you know, fifty years ago
it might have been worth about a hundred dollars, but
today you calculate you know, the body parts of the oregan,
you're talking millions. But then he pointed out in the
book that one in terms of the nuclear and age error,

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He's talking about the energy and the life force that
in one human being can power one major city for
over a week. So the value of you know, one
life is is so great and mass, you know what
I'm saying. And then the torture that one that one

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life from the beginning of birth to the end of
his life and then to sentence their generations to oppression
and death. So brother man, just to be able to
calculate you know this, Mahattan, kudos off to you and
your organization for being able to be able to calculate

(25:48):
a scholarly way of determining just how much land and
and and and it is needed and in money that's
needed in order to repair a generation for change. My
brother there go in what was you trying to say? Well,
thank you again brother, important points that you're bringing out.

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So again you asked the question will they pay us
or how will they pay us? We remember now we're
asking for um eighty three trillion dollars now and that
much of that is the laying question. But that's over
a twenty five year period that they are supposed to
be provided they can do it and will do it

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with a civil liberty. Exactly when the Japanese got reparations
um here in America. If you say, well, okay, what
was the process, but that they didn't the did it.
There was no marching, there was no picketing, there was
no protest, there was no prayer breakfasts. That's not how
you won't get reparations. Brother, you believe, let me, let
me share this with your audience, and when I come

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to l A, I will break it down for you
even further, brother, all of their political economically, there is
an international white ruling class internationally, nationally, and locally. It
is a white ruling class internationally, nationally, and locally. They
make all of their politically. They make all of their
economic and political decision if it will help her her

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number one their power base, number two, their profit based,
number three their policy base, and number four their privilege base.
That's how all economic and political decisions are made in
this country at the national, state, and local level. Will
it help or her Number one their power base, number
two their profit based, number three their policy base, and
number four their privilege base. It's not based on what

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it's just what's right, what's fair and equitable, or what's
just for black people. That's not how they're gonna make
their decision on reparation, brother, brother, be league, how we're
gonna consolidate, how we're consolidating the movement. We will have
our third annual Endava or Great Summit, the Great sitting
down at the Atlanta University Center in the last week

(27:57):
of June. Well, what we do is we bte all
the organizations and all the major players on reparations to
come and sit down. Not in the rally where we
tracking and and and um and pontificating and all of that.
We shot down and look at the declarations and agree
this is how we're gonna approach reparations to actually secure

(28:17):
reparations for blacks in America. And that in that game
playing brother, and what I just described to you about
how the national UH ruling class make all of their
political economic decisions, that is known as the quite peuple
based paradigm. You won't find that any book or anywhere
white folks develop that as you blexed to develop that

(28:38):
at the national reparations as a political need to ask
you this question for years now. Well I need to
answer this question, and I need to show you how
quickly to show your audience how quickly to fool my
my question. Well, how is that to how is the
that we can prove that? Yeah, because I'm like, how
is it in their best interests? This this just trial
out of this year when they start to see their

(29:02):
numbers go down with black and brown people enlisting in
the military, they bring it behind to the table. Brother,
Believe when when when select multinational corporation see the bottom line,
say their shareholders given example, let's look, let's look at
Wells Fargo Bank. When young people, brother, who know how
to um, who know how to uh navigate and utilize

(29:23):
these gadgets, your children, your grandchildren and my children, uh
gadgets who took the degree, that say too much. Forty
five days from now, when ten thousand black people closed
their accounts in Wells Fargo Bay within amount of day,
not passing out fires anything, but because of these head
head advices and they agree upon it, and they're going

(29:44):
to walk in and close ten thousand accounts. And with
Will Sparker's well, what what's the problem with So you
leveraging unity? You leveraging unity, which is more powerful than
an atomic bomb. Absolutely, that's That's exactly what I'm saying.
When we do the the Indian Dobar, the summit coming up,

(30:04):
we're not asking your your theology, your philosophy, or your
ideology as long as you agree with complete reparations for
the masses of black people and then you start the
implement when we when we send you we published the list,
brother of the slate multinational cooperation, that old us brother,
when they know that they're on the list, and the
masters of our people saying okay, well, you're not doing

(30:24):
any business. You're not agreeing to reparations. Weren't spargo dear?
They okay, cool trying, But when you start losing the accounts, brother,
you gotta answer to your shareholders. Did bring it behind
to the table. So basically you gotta bring okay, you
know what, So you gotta generate some in nurser what
you know, we're putting our money out of the bank
because we are in agreement with complete reparations and laid

(30:45):
out by the national operations and too they come into
the table, brother, Okay. So basically what I'm hearing here is,
first of all, you need unity because you gotta have
create some innursier, some power, and then you're using that
to leverage, you know, to to to your strength in
a way to bring them to the table. Um. You know,

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this has been something that the you know, activists and
Blacks leaders and civil right leaders, humanity, he writes, leaders,
um Grass routes lead. This is something that's been been trying,
been trying to do you know they've been trying to
do for many decades, in many years whoo whoo, makes
you think they did it in a in a social

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symbolic way. But showed me. But you are scholar, you
have been, You soon thousands of copies of various books
and titles. You you you sold Dr Caul Anderson Work,
Black Labor, White World Economy. But you soon just about
every reparation book that has never been Yes, but go

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through ere those pages and our our challenge it in
your listeners. Here, go through in those pages and showed
me where there's a blue page and in a part
of the actual model and the methodology that we're doing.
What you're doing. Great research historically, not taking away, not
hitting on anybody, but showed me where the blueprints and
how you actually do it though and all of those

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writings of Bunch Brothers, big great research, great numbers, greater
point out all the trosity course and why the os,
but asked the people, how do you actually do it
and get it done? Most of the civil rights are
moving in a social symbolic way. It's still protesting. Brother, Well,
I still take it. Well, I say, adding cleer breakfasts
and trying to plead your occasion not secure reparations will not,

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it will not. I on what is known as the
known as the legislative model. I've definitely have gotten reparation
based on a legislative model. Absolutely where everything works in
this nation legislative because that means legal law and so
everything this you know, this the different groups of people

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have gotten in this country is always gotten it through
legislative and there's a lot of things that people we
can do on our own without legislation. It's there things
that we can do as black people. They were not
doing that. We need to do that. I think with leverage,
you know, our ability to have this group these you know,

(33:14):
I forgot the term you use about that power structure
to sit down at the table and that stuff. Okay,
chat again. It's just as the quadruple based pine I
sell out. We were blushed to the wise. That's why

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you gotta put a name to a concept, you know,
Padigm and I do believe the black dollar can bring
any group or any nation to the table. At one
point five three and dollars come to black people's hands
as a consumer every year, and we leveraged that to
the max. We haven't brought that to the level that

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we should. We can raise a lot of money business
and dollars just on our own doing our doing certain
things if we will pull our own money that we
already earned in this nation. Absolutely and and that's part
of the complete reparations package. You're absolutely right. And let's
let me give you an example. It so your audience
to know that we're just not talking theories and hypothesesis here.

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Let me let me give you an example. Butther, do
you know the first stimulus package in when the pandemic here? Brother,
do you know that they agreed upon that Democrat, ever, Republican,
liberal and conservative. Within about two months they had moved.
They moved two trainion dollars, but two training dollars and
two months? Why is it? Thing? Do it? But the
belief because the wall speed bankers and that Slect multinational

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Corporation said you know what, I don't care what you're doing, Congress,
but you better allocate the damn money because it's starting
to affecting you. As credit rating select multinational corporation, the
bottom line will start to suffer. Some of them then
were possibly go. So we're talking priority. You move the
what is that's an example of how powerful and how

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fast that they can move money and lost. Okay, we
know that what they got absolute power, so yes, we
know they can do a lot of things. The question
is why would they want to do this for the
former slaves black people. You don't want to do it.

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It's not to be fair. Just he's a capitalist brother,
capitalist corruct capitalists. And at the end of the data brother,
they will do it only because the bottom line, they're
gonna if they're gonna survive. If so, it serves you
saying the ultimately end, it isn't their best interest at
some point in time to see that this is a
viable solution to bring, you know, the people finally to

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a point where we can move forward and get the
elephant out of the room and eliminating and rodicate, discriminate,
racing impression and all that they take in place. That
this is finally we can have an equitable solution to
a long term sensury problem. Absolutely, and if they're gonna survive, Brothers,
when we we published the with the select La International

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corporations and how much world spargos, when they start they
started losing UH accounts, major accounts, their investors and their
shareholders are gonna say, then, who is this talking reparation?
We gotta sit down with him, because we showed this
quarter loss, next quarters of loss in the years we
have lost. We can't survive like that. So so you

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calculated do anything beyond. If we don't do anything else,
then you'll be We'll be. Our people were talking reparations
for another hundred years. So you you be laughing at us.
I'm telling you, I'm saying that. So you basically calculated.
They will. They they make all their economic and political decisions.
Where did they help hurt their all base, their poptidates,

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their policy basing their privilege base. That's how they make
all that get invested on us fleeting with them, them
being just unfair, and they're coming always civil and their
behavior towards uh. The so called Negro blacks who had
suffered in America snatched from Africa, well they don't care
about that, but they were trying. Some of our people
are still asking them to be human, still, to be just,

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to be fair. But you'll be doing that another You'll
be doing that another forty and fifty years, and you
still have not moved the reparations need and let me
give you let me give you another example of how
they show you how quickly they can move move money.
But in twenty nineteen, they had the longest government shutdown
in the country. Trump was in office when the Malik

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if you remember, they were canceling flights around the country.
If you'll remember our people on TV talking about this
man is a food. People donna lose their livelihood, their
their their their their family, their housing, jobs and everything
because he got the this government shutdown. Now his his
his argument was, you're gonna give me the billions of
dollars that need for my boarder wall. Remember the boarder

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is back in news again, the border wall and so
and so. I told my students at the Atlanta University Center,
I said, now this is the time to test my paradigm.
I said, this, this, um, this strike is not gonna last.
Don't get in what he's saying, just gonna last. Donald
Trump comes, um, so what I do. I'm down in
Florida and I look at it. I said, no, what's

(38:28):
happening right now that I can predict that this this uh,
this shutdown is gonna end much sooner than than people say.
Trump is saying this possibly gonna last for months, but
I'm gonna get the money from my boarder wall. Probably
in twenty nineteen. What was happening at the time. In
January around that time, we were a brother one month
out from the super Bowl. Guess where the super Bowl

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was in one one month out from the super Bowl
in Atlanta, the business airport in the world in Atlanta.
And I said, wait a minute, wait a minute. The
the NFL owners, multi billionaires, select nonprofit organization and UH corperations,
the evenna let Donald Trump mess up the business commercial

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day in the world. Super Bowl all over the world
advertised people paying three three and four million dollars for
thirty second spot the booking and gamble, and it says
on a Thursday, he says, on a Thursday, Um, well,
if America don't get we don't If Congress don't pass
the money from my gonna extend. This is going to

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Extand for some months, well I knew, damn well that
wasn't gonna Extand for months he said that on the Thursday,
and then on the two he walked his ass back
out on the White House line and said the shutdown
was over. I knew it's gonna be over with because
the presidents don't run the country. I should proved it
on social media because the NFL owners, these the select
multinational corporations, what they were going, they have a lot

(39:57):
of power, but allow him to do that. They have
lot of power, they have a lot of leverage, they
have a lot of say so what happens absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah,
Well you know this, the national rulers, the national ruling
class called Donald Trump said, nothing's enough, get your ass

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back out there and open up the country. Well here's
the thing that you know, a lot of people under
the illusion that the president runs the country as long
as the people. Well here's the thing, my brother, A
lot of people under don't really understand how the power
structure work. They think political u uh um officials actually

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run the country when the reality is that these multinational
companies and nonprofit multa national companies are a lot of
the wealthy and wealthy people. They have uh you know,
they have shadow government and they have and they have
more control over this government than a lot of people think.

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It's only so much a president or a congressman or
a senator or representative can do. When you gotta ask
you to these people because these people have a lot
of wealth and a lot of power. They employ a
lot of people they you know, and they utilize that,
you know, in order to get the things that they
need done and the way they need things done. So

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it's just a lot of people miseducated thinking that you know,
when you vote a politician in the office that they
actually literally gonna run. And know, they just the face
and the spokesperson for these these these globalists and national
multi corporations and nonprofit organization. It's just bad listen. And
they shadow governments, brothers, and they have a lot of power.

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And that's what I keep saying, the white the nasty
international national and local white ruling clash brother the you know,
some people want to call them illuminati. Someone want to
call the Committee of three hundred some of them the
call of UH, the Trilateral Commission. It's all of that.
But it is an international, national and a local body

(42:08):
of European people who who run these UH and who
decide what politics is gonna look like. And at the
end of the day, reparations about public policy. So so
how are we how are we dealing with then? How
we are? Well, let's bring this, Let's bring this to
a conclusion. Lets that we have coming up in June, Brothers,
there will be five select committees that coming out of

(42:29):
that uh that that um that summit, So we're not
just a raw ride clapp session. So number number one
is we have an Education and Culture Select Committee, Number two,
Economics and Investment, number three, Public and Mental Health for
state and land ac musicians. Five this public Policy and Legislation.
So those select committees, Brothers, will issue their final report

(42:52):
and recommendation on reparation out of those fire select committees.
And so what will we do with that? That will
be professionally bound and edited. Professional politicians all over the
country at the national, state, mocal level will get copies.
Organization bookstores will will get copies of those final reports
and recommendations. And so that's how we will shape loblic policy.

(43:14):
Brother So what we do the objective is to brother
believe is not collect the black Peggy Bridge rose and
white vehicles and and white depopulation LGBT, sell out the
reparations movement and people are gonna be very clear what
reparations look like. And if you're not at the summit,
because everybody is invited, then why weren't you there? Why

(43:34):
didn't you sit down behind closed doors if you want
complete reparations for the masses of our people. And so
that's where um uh and like I said it, brilliant
voices out there. How can my audience, how can my
audience brother get leaving your information if they want to
reach out and talk to you uh in the future, um,
leaving your information because we want to bring this to

(43:55):
a conclusion. This has been eye opening, It's been enlightening.
I've learned the just about you know, the reparation movement
or the strategy and the tactics and the blueprint that
you humbly put together. And most importantly, I learned the
amount eighty three three dollars that was calculated for to

(44:16):
build a generation to change. So my brother lit my
audience know how they can reach out to contact you
further information? Well, please call call me. You can email
me uh National Reparations Institute at gmail dot com, National
Reparations Institute at gmail dot com, or they can call
me brother at full four six ft five zero five

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one three again full four six five zero five one three.
And UH the new website that uh we uh we
under it will be up in the next thirty days.
The new website. We had one up for a few years, brother,
but we gexpanding at the website where you will be
able to go and do a national pollingm on that
website all the things that we're selling. But go to

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our website National Reparations Institute dot org, National Reparations Institute
dot org. Uh that will give you um put you
in touch with us. And then please go by Malik's
bookstore and get your copy of the declaration. It is.
It has been reviewed by scholars, working people, students, and

(45:22):
we have gotten very good reviews of it is a
It is a blueprint for complete reparations. Notice I see
a complete reparation. Read that blueprint, brother, and it will
put your audience on in the mindset and know where
we go from here. Not a bunch of rhetoric, but
now it's time to actually secure reparations for the masters
of our people. Thank you, thank you for your time,

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Thank you for your energy, brother malif your insight, your creativity, brother,
and for being the voice for the masses of our people.
Being man or woman that will open up a bookstore
for the masses of our people. That is the best
educational center and institution that we could have in our community. Brother,
and you have been doing that for more than a

(46:03):
couple of decades, and so we're just grateful an appreciative
that you're their brother, and others and those who support you,
your family, the employees there, and we're coming to Los
Angeles to do a full lecture on reparation and a
open up with a question and answer period. Brother, brother, male,
we have been blessed. I can't do what the next

(46:24):
person do. You're doing others, but I am a reparationist
and it's my job to make sure that at the
end of the day we complete we we secure complete
reparations for the masters of our people. That's my job.
That's that's the front of what the work that we
do at the National Reparations Call. Please give me a
call at full four six four five zero five one three,

(46:47):
or you can call Clark at Lantin University. I'm a
professor of political science there. Uh just um and I
can't think of the number full for a old eight
thousand and um. You will be able to connect with
me or someone from the Reparations It's wonderful. Thank you,
my brother, appreciated. Brothers men, I open it and I'm

(47:08):
sure my audience brother has learned a lot from man
having at first, you know, hand person just in the
movement and helping change policy and procedures to bring forth
a generation to change with reparation. Thank you, brother, Reginald,
appreciate it. And um reach out when you come to
l a my brother, so that uh you know, I'm

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looking forward to supported us and honored us brother and
giving us the debastion and an opportunity to share the information. Brother.
So I'm gonna come and we want to make sure
that we did do something with the books your direction
and that your hand brother, with your will do your
readership and your listeners there, We're gonna be coming and

(47:53):
again we're not gonna spare any issue on reparation. We're
not coming and talk theory. Your theory is fine, but
I need to shoot your body. Yes, thank you, my brother.
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