Ep. 13: Shot Placement, Broadheads, and Whitetails with Taylor Chamberlin

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome back to gear Talk everyone. Jordan here and I've
got Iannis with me up. Dude, what's new? What is new?
It's not new. It's the same old, same old, which
is a lot of snow here in Montana. Just when
we thought we had a lot of snow, we got
two plus feet on top of it. And now people

(00:36):
are talking like this is the most snow they've ever
seen in places, which I don't know. I'm not quite
believing it because if you go buy snow turtles at
the local ski resort up at Bridger, it's like two
hundred and thirty inches, and I think that closer to
three hundred inches is when it gets like when people
are like, oh, that's a big snow year. So I

(00:57):
have a feeling it's a result of having multiple poor winters,
low snow packs, and then we come to a normal
one and everybody's like, oh my god, a lot of
snow and it's cold. Even Steve Ronnello is telling me
yesterday these like it's so there's so much snow that

(01:17):
my snowmobiles are snowed in. I can't even get him out.
But yeah, I hunted lions the not yesterday, but the
two days prior to that, which, again, when I say
hunting lions, it means I'm out hiking, snowmobiling, driving a
truck looking for lion tracks. Most time it has nothing
to do with the lions themselves physically. But I hunted

(01:38):
with Jason Red, who owns Timber Ninja Outdoors makes climbing sticks, saddles,
really cool, high end stuff for the white sailed world.
He came out because he had never been in Montana,
had never done the mountain hound hunting thing, so I said, yeah,
come on out and I'll take on some hikes. The

(02:01):
snow was so deep the first morning. I got a
sled out to go just do a couple mile, a
check up and down a drainage, and I could ride
the road when it was flat, and as soon as
the trail. I when it went from like a four
service road to a trail and there was a little
bit of pitch, my poor little ski doo tundra just

(02:22):
bogged down and I couldn't go. Luckily, it had just
enough where I could reverse, make it forward, reverse make
it forward, and eventually was able to spin a donut,
get turned around and get back on my track and
make it out of there. But it's literally too deep
for my own snowmobile to go. So then we took
to hiking. We hiked eight miles ish each day. Even

(02:47):
in snowshoes. We were knee deep. If you took your
snow if you put your ski hiking pole just down
in the snowpack a lot of places you could put
hold the end of the ski pole for my hike
and push it, push your hand all the way down
in and your hand would just disappear in the snow,
like walking walking a trail that was packed out. The

(03:09):
trail is like like the edge of the upper snow
is at Mingus' is the top of his head, and
he's a tall dog. He can put his head on
your kitchen, his chin on your kitchen counter. It gives
you an idea of how deep the snow is around here.
So anyway, it's still lion hunting, still looking, but uh yeah,

(03:31):
it's uh it is what it is. It's snowy soon
here though springtime temperatures. The snow is gonna settle and
it'll become travelable where you can hike on top of it.
And not only well, I build a hike on top it,
but hopefully the lions will too, which will make him
move and then I'll cut a track. So I'm gonna

(03:52):
try again this weekend one day and ross gross my fingers. Yeah,
what about you? Yeah we uh, I thought the spring
was here and it snowed about five inches last night.
It was sixty degrees yesterday and it was like hot,

(04:13):
you know, and yeah, woke up this morning. We've we've
got our first turkey clients in and and uh. I
took them out this morning as it was basically Christmas,
and they're like, this is gonna be an interesting morning
of turkey hunting, and I said, yep, it is. I
would I would recommend heaters for the blinds, but they

(04:33):
didn't end up going that route, so we'll see. We'll
see how the uh, we'll see how that goes this morning.
So you've got hunters out right now as you're recording
this podcast. He dropped them off this morning and they're
sitting blinds over some uh decoys, I guess uh yeah, yep.
I think they brought their own decoys in their super experience,

(04:55):
so um, I could just kind of you know, scout
out the birds beforehand in and set up some blinds
as good starting points. And then they said that they
brought all their own decoys and they're like, if it
stops snowing, we'll probably put some decoys out. But if
it doesn't, they're in a good enough spot that they
might have some turkeys just stroll through. But it's it's

(05:16):
been interesting. I haven't I haven't really heard turkeys, Like
there were some hens talking last night. I haven't really
heard much for Goblin yet, and nor have I seen
any strutters yet, So I don't know. It's it's like
a little it's a goofy year. But we have five
inches of snow right now. It's supposed to be sixty
degrees tomorrow, so average spring, nice, nice muddy mess. Yeah. Yeah,

(05:42):
I've killed several birds in one to six inches of
snow in Nebraska. It's not snow in Nebraska is not
only reserved for late March, you can easily get that
well into April as well. But yeah, yeah, it is
what it is. Yeah, all right. One other thing I

(06:04):
want to mention because I feel like I've been reading
it in the comments a little bit, people commenting on
Instagram when I was telling them to go listen to
our last episode about Knife Sharpening, which is a great
informative episode. I got a lot of positive feedback on
that too, that a lot of people learned things that
they didn't know. And maybe it's, uh, I'm at a

(06:27):
loss for words. It's gotten excited to try sharpening their
own knives. I'm one of them after that podcast. And
then I got like the field sharpener and I took
a couple of knives, and man, once you start doing
it and like get into it, it's I don't want
to say it's fun, but it's like pretty rewarding doing
your own stuff, which I have always just avoided in

(06:50):
the past. Yeah, it forces you to slow down. It's
kind of a kind of a meditation therapeutic session, just
slow down sharpening a knife. But yeah, once you get
the skill, you really feel proud of yourself and it's like,
all right, yeah, I made this thing sharp. And especially
when you get that thing really sharp and then you
put it to work, I think, yeah, it's like a

(07:13):
proud proud dad moment, Like all right, I did. Moving on.
But what I was gonna say, My point to this
they got me thinking about it was that some people
feel like we're I don't know if it's just this podcast,
or just in general with Meat Eater, where it's always
trying to sell you something, and with Jordan and I
when we want to do this podcast, it's not about that.

(07:36):
It's about educating everyone about gear, including ourselves. There's a
lot That's why we have experts on. Like today, we've
got Taylor Chamberlain on who has killed truckloads more dear
than I have with the bow and arrow, and we're
gonna talk to him about broadheads because I don't know
if there's anybody else possibly living alive in this country

(08:00):
that's done it more and seeing more arrows go through deer.
I'm sure there is, But anyways, I want to make
the point that if you are buying spending money on
gear and it's keeping you from getting outside and going hunting,
you're doing it backwards. Getting out and doing it should

(08:20):
always be the number one goal. And I don't want
to sell you something or tell you to go buy
something that ever keeps you from going out and hunting.
So if you need gas money, truck money, whatever it is,
the basics, don't buy new gear. You can always make
it work somehow if you want it bad enough. Now,

(08:43):
when you do decide that you need a new soft
shell or new pair of boots. Hopefully, by what you've
learned on the gear Talk podcast, you'll be more informed
and be able to make a better decision, be able
to ask better questions to the manufacturer or to the
salesperson at the store you go to about the specific

(09:04):
gear you're looking at and buying, and you'll end up
getting the better product or the product the better suits you,
and you'll end up having better experiences. So, um, yeah,
I don't know, that's not like a PSA. What is that.
It's just like it's my statement. Yeah, it's a statement.
And something too I think people got to keep in

(09:25):
mind is like some of these people that we're getting
on to talk about things, they it's going to be
really hard to find somebody that's around, you know, X
gear thing all the time, if they're if they don't
have a company of their own, or if they don't
work for another company. Like you know, we didn't get
Steve on just to say that work sharpeners are the best. Uh.

(09:49):
We just talked about sharpening knives and that's pretty universal
with all sharpeners. I mean it really is. So we
just want. I feel like we want to make a
podcast that you can even reference too later when you're like, oh, hey,
I need to go get a new knife sharpener, I
need to touch up some knives. Like I'm just gonna
listen to this podcast real quick and just you know,

(10:10):
pick up a few things or whatever. So that's why
I think good, I'm glad, I'm glad we're aligned with
our mission. Yeah, we have a new segment. Everybody likes segments,
so we're just moving on. That was our catch up
recap segment. Now we're moving on to a segment called
What's New. And because Jordan and I are doing this podcast,

(10:34):
we've been in touch with a lot of companies that
make gear, and a lot of companies that want to
send us gear to talk about and maybe to possibly
have on their gear experts, which which is not always
going to happen, but we get so much stuff whether
and sometimes a lot of times I buy it, Like

(10:54):
this thing I'm gonna talk about here now, I bought
it because I wanted to check it out. A bunch
of people had said, look, you need to check this out.
But a lot of times, take for instance, we just
Jordan I both got a big box stayer water filtration
products and I'm very gracious for that. I'm excited to
check it all out, but didn't have to pay for

(11:14):
it either way. All this to say is that just
so that we can when we see something that comes
through our hands that's exciting, we can mention it, talk
about it. Maybe we've used it, maybe we haven't used it,
but it's it's I think again for the listener, it's
a way to say, hey, this is something you new.

(11:37):
You might want to check it out. It looks interesting. Yeah,
it looks interesting. I hadn't heard about it, or I
had heard about it. This is a different way of
doing it UM And hopefully if we if we check
out the product, whether we like it or not, later
we'll probably talk about it in depth more. But so yeah,

(12:01):
let's get on with what's new. What's you guys? Jordan? Yeah, yeah,
so many know. I'm out in Nebraska on the ranch
helping do calving stuff and we've talked about it a
little bit before. I've been calling kyotes and mostly just
for UM yeah, predator control for calves, and like we've
had a little bit of issues. We had a coyote.

(12:22):
We think UM killed, like killed a calf, a healthy calf,
and so I was like, you know, mostly for the
most part, they were running around at night, like dogs
were barking on the house, Like there were kyotes coming
like literally like fifty yards from the house in the night,
and it was kind of crazy. So I was like,

(12:43):
I need a lot of times it's just me going
out there and it's really hard to try to shoot
and hold a light at the same time, which, uh,
just putting it out there. Nebraska is a state where
you can use artificial light as long as it's not
plugged into a vehicle or a boat. I believe it says.

(13:04):
But I was like, I need something that attaches to
my rifle. So I literally went to the store and
I got I looked at a couple different lights. I
looked at the Wicked Lights, and then I looked at
the Fox Pro light, and just doing a five minutes
of research online in the store, I was like, Wicked
Lights seemed to be the way to go. So I

(13:24):
got a Wicked Lights, a seventy five I C Predator
light and that thing is like a torch. I've got it.
I have it on my cross. I mounted it to
the side of the handguard on the cross and then
there's actually a remote control on and off that runs.

(13:47):
I have it ran to the left side of the
rifle kind of back like right above where the magazine attaches.
It's just a little velcro strip that sucks on there,
and you have like a push button like turns it
on and off, and then you have a rolling dial
that will turn up the intensity and turn down the intensity.
A shot a coyote at two hundred and fifty yards

(14:07):
with it the other day at like one in the morning,
So what tells pretty much max of what it could do.
But yeah, are you running a regular light or does
it have a like a filter that makes it red
or green or whatever? Yeah, it has I'm running just
a regular light that gets you the most distance. And

(14:29):
I haven't seen it really mess with the them too much.
Like I'll pop a light on. Usually it's just like
a spotlight. I'll pop a light on and do a scan,
and once I see them, I'll turn everything off and
then I'll like lay down or get in a position
to shoot, kind of get everything ready, and then I'll
pop the light on and usually they're still right there.
They don't even pay attention to it. But it does

(14:51):
have a dial on the side that model anyway that
rolls to green to red. I think it's green, red,
and white or just those three. But you're just running
white and then it's not. Doesn't bother him. No, No,
I was the first kyad I shot with it. I
was probably seventy yards from him maybe, and I popped

(15:12):
the light on and he didn't He didn't even look up.
I didn't pay any attention to it. Yeah, I've used
I think I've used one of those life a long
long time ago. Steve had one, but I remember being
a very solid, seem like, seemingly well made products. When
I bought it and got it for Steve. Um sweet

(15:34):
something new that came across my I don't know why
it's so easy to say came across my desk. I've
rarely said at my desk. My desk is just covered
basically in piles of small gear. The big gear goes
down to the gear shed, and then I have all
this little stuff sitting all my desk. That's why I'm
always at my kitchen table working. Um. But I bought
a peak's headlamp. What's it called? It called the backcountry

(15:58):
duo headlamp. A bunch of people. After we had talked
about headlamps on one of our earlier podcasts, quite a
few folks said we should try this one out. So
I bought it. Actually, interestingly enough, I didn't know, but
made in Bozeman or the company is out of Bozeman.
I'm guessing that the products itself has made somewhere else.
But very simple design. It's actually similar to what Steve

(16:23):
used to rock. He might still use it, but it
was I think it was a surefire headlamp. But when
I never liked about Steve's it was very it seemed
heavy and bulky. This one is a little bit smaller, lighter,
machined aluminum, seems super tough. I mean, honestly, I've only
used it, I don't know, three four mornings probably, and

(16:44):
that's been very light use, just jumping in and out
of the truck looking at tracks. But it's cool. One
end of the sort of the battery compartment unscrews to
give you access to the charging port, so once you're charged,
you just screw it down and it completely seals it off,
makes it waterproof and keeps it dust out of your
charging port and all that kind of stuff. Two lights

(17:07):
red and white, and you can go, like most headlamps
high low. I don't think this one has a medium,
but high low. And it runs chargeable, which I think
for a lot of us, for a long time it
was scary to think about going rechargeable going into the
mountains for an extended period of time. But just with

(17:29):
the luck that I've had with my black Diamonds running,
you know, you gotta be smart about it, right, can't
accidentally turn it on in your backpack, then you're not
gonna have a headlamp anymore. But I've had plenty of
week long trips where one charge is doing me just fine.
This one might not quite have the battery life of

(17:52):
us these smaller headlamps that we talked about, but it's
what it does have. It's brightest setting. It's quite a
bit brighter than that. Um. I can't remember the name
of the black down that I was using, but it's
it's not quite spotlight, but it's it's bright. It's out there,

(18:13):
so anyways, that's it's new. It's I like it. I'm
digging it so far. It seems tough, very simple to use.
Check it out I think it's only rechargeable. Yeah, yeah,
like no no option for double a's like pulling a
no it's it's it looks like a oversized double A

(18:35):
but long, right, not not oversized like a C or
a D. But it's a little bit fatter than a
double A, a little bit longer. I'm guessing you can
probably buy a second battery from them and just have
it charged up and pop it in there if you
want to have that, have that back up. But yeah,
what what's the loomins on it? Max output is a

(18:57):
thousand lumen range is four hundred and ninety feet, well
over one hundred yards, almost one hundred fifty. Yeah, I
think that we should get somebody on to talk about
lights and lumens and outputs and all that stuff that
is confusing. Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. Weighs in
at two point oh says two point six five ounces.

(19:21):
That excludes the battery, So I don't know. I'm guessing
it's three three and a half, which I was looking
at some weights some other headlamps. It's that three to
four ounce range is pretty common for headlamps. And again,
if you want that, if you want one hundred one
hundred yard range with your head lamp, it's gone. It

(19:41):
had to be a little bit on the heavier side.
Like I've got that little bitty petel E light as
a backup in my little kit in my pack. Sure
it's a foot Yeah, it's not that bad, but it's
probably not much past ten or fifteen feet, you know
what I mean. Yeah, yeah, but it's it serves its

(20:02):
purpose as a extremely lightweight backup battery, and I've had
it come in handy most of it's I've never left
my headlamp behind, but I've had twice where it's gotten
dark and we're getting ready for the hike out and
on a trail, it's never that big of a deal.
You can make it down a trail it's no headlamp.
But if you're bushwhacking down some nasty creek bottom, no

(20:25):
fun without a headlamp. And I've had some buddies that
were like, he no headlamp. I'm like, up, here's my
little petzil you light and it's just enough to illuminate,
you know, there their future so that they don't get
get a stob stuck in their leg. Yeah, yeah, nice.
I've looked at that thing a bit, and I have

(20:47):
been wanting to pull the trigger on one. I just
haven't done it yet, so it's good to know you
like it. Cool. All right, We'll take just a quick
breather and we'll be back with Taylor Chamberlain. Okay, Taylor Chamberlain.

(21:11):
Taylor haunts suburban deer around Washington, DC around between one
hundred and fifty two over two hundred days annually in
the last fifteen years. He's co hosts of the Hanging
Hunt podcast, so you can get a go a deeper
dive on what he's got going on by listening to
that podcast. If you want to see sort of how

(21:35):
Taylor's hunts go and Taylor, you can tell me if
if if First Light did a good rendition of how
you're hunting goes there. But there's a First Light made
an episode for their YouTube channel called in City Limits.
It's all about how Taylor goes around knocking on doors
to get permission on one to three acre properties and

(21:57):
hunting people's backyards. I just rewatched it last night. It's
entertaining and it's way way different than a lot of
us look at white tail deer hunting. So the reason
we have Taylor on today. Is because Taylor told me
that his success rate is around thirty five percent. So
if you do the math of fifteen years of hunting

(22:22):
one hundred and fifty to two hundred days a year,
that equals a boatload of deer. I'm not even say
the number. Do the math at home. It's not that hard,
but it's a lot. And that's why I feel like
he's a great person to talk to us about broadheads
because I think for me personally, I don't know of
anybody else personally that I've met has probably put more

(22:44):
arrows through deer. Specifically, I've met some people that have
killed a lot of elk, but not these kind of numbers.
I'm talking, you know, fifty to maybe a hundred elk
with a bow, but not these kind of numbers of deer.
So we're gonna talk specifically broadheads with Taylor, talk to

(23:07):
him about what he's seen over the years, the different styles,
different types, the results of all of them, and going
from there. So m Taylor first, I want to know,
I want to I want to settle the stage a
little bit so that when people listening they'll have a

(23:28):
some context around why we're talking to you about this,
But tell me first, how are you able to hunt
two hundred days in a year like it? Just even
as a guide, I felt like I rarely made two
hundred days a year. I am. I am nothing short

(23:48):
of addicted and terribly obsessed with hunting white tail with
a bow. And I am very thankful that I have
a wife that does not like me to be in
the house because I am often gone hunting whitetail, you know,
around around our house in the suburbs at DC. So
the real reason and what allows me to hunt year round.

(24:12):
So here in the in the Northern Virginia DC area,
we have a year round deer season and the reason
for that is our carrying capacity should be in the
ten to twelve deer per square mile range. They are
so overpopulated. They can't even quantify how overpopulated the deer
are because when they do a thermal imaging or they

(24:35):
fly with the white hot stuff, it just looks like
somebody kicked the ant hill. The best guess for for
our deer population right now is four hundred and twenty
to four hundred and twenty five deer per square mile
and their pockets that they estimate over six hundred. So
like in anybody who's seen a my content. For people

(24:57):
that haven't, it's not uncommon to signature, especially this time
of year when we're starting to get a little bit
of spring green up right now. But from January one
through March first, you can see forty fifty sixty deer
in a hunt because they're literally they're like rats on
stilts around here. Is actually what a what a homeowner

(25:17):
called them one time that really stuck with me. But
they're just incredibly overpopulated. They have nothing to eat, They've
eaten themselves out of house and home, and it's a huge,
huge problem here. So what I'm fortunately able to do
is hunt them with a bow and arrow and use
this overabundant resource to help provide for people in need,

(25:40):
which we also have a lot of here in the
DC area. So we're able to feed the homeless with them,
take them to food banks, get them to churches, and
have that food kind of disseminate out into you know,
the world or this little area of our community and
help people out. So it's really a good use for
the overabundance of them. But you know, with hunting them

(26:02):
year round comes a lot of responsibility, and that's kind
of what we're going to get into with the broadheads.
But you know, some of the parcels that I'm hunting
are as small as a quarter acre. I have properties
that are very near some three letter government buildings that
you guys have definitely heard about that I do not
want a deer to cross into. I don't want it

(26:23):
to get near the fence or the parking lot. The
last thing I need is to show up in my
camo and try and explain to somebody who is not
familiar with hunting, what the heck I'm coming out of
the woods doing so shot placement and your equipment is.
I can't imagine a place that it's more critical than
where I'm hunting. But I imagine if if if the

(26:45):
property you're hunting is a quarter acre, you've got to
be thinking ahead and getting permission on the neighboring properties
so that if something doesn't happen just by plan, the
deer does you know, hop into the neighbor's backyard that
you've already figured that out? No, oh yeah, yeah, a

(27:06):
core acre spot, there's almost zero chance that that deer
is expiring on that property. I mean, you can get
kind of in the corner, and I get you know,
shot placement is really key, right if you we can
go down into this rabbit hole, but if you can
hit them tight and kind of top of the heart

(27:28):
and right behind that crease of the shoulder to where
they're they're snow plowing, their chest will actually work like
an air brake and they'll only go about fifteen twenty
yards as opposed to like a true heart shot deer
whose lungs are still functioning, that deer might go one
hundred and twenty five yards. So every little inch counts
in shot placement. But to answer your question, yes, you

(27:50):
need to get permission or think about which way the
deer going to go. But that's a double edged swords,
so you also have to factor into what I'm doing
here in the suburb as people are very polarized on
the idea of hunting. Some people that have lived here
for a while understand that the dey are overpopulated and
they need to go. But the majority of people that

(28:13):
I talk to, and I'm not trying to generalize, is
just the fact of the matter. You know, DC is
a highly transient area and not a lot of people
have been exposed to hunting, and even if they have
been exposed to hunting in some manner, their idea of
hunting is much different than us as hunters portray ourselves

(28:33):
and make a point to do right. I mean, we're
all knowledgeable and upstanding hunters. That's not exactly the kind
of feeling that a lot of homeowners have around hunting
that haven't been exposed to it. So you have to
be careful when you get permission. I mean, first and foremost,
it's so difficult to get permission once you get it.

(28:54):
If you know the deer is going to run one way,
you need to have that discussion either with that homeowner
or the owner of that property. But also the last
thing you want is to go over there and have
that person freak out, and now you have two neighbors
that are going at it. There's pretty much zero chance
you're going to keep permission in the event of that happening.

(29:18):
So you have to be kind of cognizant of the
risk you're taking by preemptively asking for a track and
retrieve is what I call it permission, But most people
don't want a dead deer on their property. Only once
in my life, if I had somebody tell me no
that I wasn't allowed to recover a deer on their property,

(29:40):
which was a very interesting situation to say the least.
So yeah, okay, to continue to continue paying paying the
picture I want to talk about so again when that
later we're talking about the performance. It's of all these

(30:00):
different types of broadheads. People can understand how you were
applying these broadheads and what the situation was like. So
we know you're suburban DC. You're in a tree, I'm
guessing all the time or most of the time, so
you're shooting from an from an angle downwards. I'm all

(30:21):
always elevated. Um, I'm I'm kind of lazy by nature.
So if there's a playground set or something that's available,
or a deck, um, you know, you don't need to
reinvent the wheel. You don't have to go climb a tree.
But I'm never not hunting from or not shooting from
an elevated position. Okay, worked great? Yeah, because the deer

(30:45):
used to having uh kids and whoever hanging out in
a right so it's not out of place. Oh what's
the average shot distance? I will not shoot over twenty yards. Um.
Shop placement accuracy is one hundred percent the most important thing.
Sometimes I mentor a lot of new urban hunters that

(31:09):
are getting into this, and I tell them that sometimes
the best shot you can take is not taking a
shot at all, because the downside for a wounded animal
in a highly populated neighborhood or a deer ending up
in a pool or whatever, is way worse than harvesting
that animal. So I will not take a shot over

(31:32):
twenty yards the average shot like my perfect shot, and
he's anywhere from like twelve to sixteen yards. I would
say that ninety five percent of the deer that I've
harvested in my life have been between twelve and fifteen yards. Okay, nice,
we're a shot placement wise, where are you looking to

(31:52):
shoot one? I know you just talked about like the
act of airbreak? Can you talk about that a little
bit more? Absolutely, I'm very visual person, so everybody's different,
But I think of a deer's front two legs as
holding up a balloon. So think of like chopsticks that
are carrying around like a kid's soccer ball, right, And

(32:15):
that three D image has always worked for me depending
on how that animal is quartering. So animals quartering to you,
horrible shot, Do not recommend it. You guys have spent
a ton of time in the woods or in the
field rather with guiding. I'm sure you've seen every shot

(32:35):
in the world. A lot of people tend to lose
their metal with an animal facing towards them, and they
inherently want to still aim at the crease, and you
just end up with like very little bit of one
long liver shot. That's not what we want. So if
you think of those legs kind of holding up the
ball as that critter is walking around, that helps me

(32:57):
visualize where the armor plating is. Basically on an animal,
which is your you know, the shoulder blades, the front breastbone.
If you think of the way our anatomy is, it's
very similar to a deer. It's just we're vertical. So
I think of that little balloon or that little soccer
ball walking around, and I just try to pop that ball.
And I've tried a lot of different kind of methodologies

(33:23):
for a shot, aiming, whether it's aimed for the crease
or aimed for the exit. Aiming for the exit works
really well, but for me, just kind of like threading
an arrow through that balloon is just it works with
my head, so you know, in a sense, I'm aiming
for the exit. But that always helps with that animal,

(33:44):
especially when they're quartered away. I find it really helps
when the leg If that front leg is back when
they're feeding, I can still see where those vitals are
and put it through there. But I really like to
be tight into that that soccer ball, which is very
tight behind the legs. So if you look at the

(34:04):
anatomy of a deer, the shoulder comes down and then
comes back and there's a little v there which is
right in front of the crease. If you hit them
right there, all the ligaments for their legs are kind
of in that area, and their legs will not work.
So a lot of people think they're shooting through the shoulder.
You're actually not shooting through the shoulder. You're below the
shoulder bone. That scapulus sits at kind of a forty

(34:27):
five degree angle. By coming in, it actually kind of
goes forward, and then then the humorous sort of comes
back towards what I would call the elbow, and then
from the elbow the leg goes straight down correct and
so it gives the appearance of it's being completely vertical,
which in mind the interthal brain I see as chopsticks

(34:47):
holding up a little balloon, but in reality, by putting
it right through there, you're cutting through a lot of
connective tissue that they used to operate their legs. And
so if I'm hunting, especially on a quarter acre spot,
and mind you you know, this is all incredibly specific
for inside twenty yards. I'm six foot three, i have

(35:10):
a seventy pound draw weight, and I'm shooting a thirty
thirty and a half inch draw So thirty and a
quarter is my actual drawing. So this is not, you know,
the same for if my wife were to be a hunter,
her setup would be very different, and I maybe would
even tell her to aim potentially a little further back
than this. But for me specifically, I love hitting them

(35:32):
right in that little v where that bone has has
gotten out of the way. Their legs will not work,
and they will they will just run on their chest
for about ten to twelve yards and just expire. So
that's a textbook perfect shot for me. Broadside. So if
that animal is quartered away slightly it started to cut

(35:53):
you off, it's harder to put it in that pocket
and still have a perfect shot. I do not like
a pinwheeled heart like you know those pictures you see online,
if everybody holding up the heart that's got the perfect
shot through it. I find that a heart shot deer,
especially low heart shot, or if you nick the top
of the heart in the front. You know, people will say, oh,

(36:16):
I think the deer getting an adrenaline dump or something.
I don't know if that's true, as much as their
lungs are still functioning and therefore their muscles are still
able to function, and so they're dead on their feet.
But I've seen deer around one hundred and twenty one
hundred and thirty yards perfect blood trail out out both sides,
just because their lungs were able to function instead of
them being able to expire faster. And that for me

(36:38):
is a horrible situation because now I have more cleanup
duty and a deer that's three properties over. You know
that is now a problem. Right for most of us,
we'd be like, sweet, he ran one hundred yards and
you're like, oh, no, exactly, I'm watching it from the tree,

(37:00):
like go down, go down, go down, go down, right,
even though you saw, yeah, you got to see the
deer fall down, which is the best feeling ever, in
my opinion, is when you shoot an arrow and you
actually get to see the critter fall over. I mean,
the relief that sets over me is incredible. But for you,
if it doesn't happen in fifteen yards, uh yeah, your
night just got a little bit longer. But tell me,

(37:22):
so I know kind of where you're aiming and what
roughly where you want the arrow to go. But tell
me exactly a perfect shot, what would the broadhead be
cutting inside the deer? Like, what does a perfect shot
look like inside the deer? A absolute perfect shot would

(37:46):
be cutting the blood vessels, like the the main arteries
that are coming off the top part of that heart
and just smashing where they connect to the bottom of
the ones there and and getting all that lung. So
what that's going to create is like instant I mean,
first off, that diaphragm is popped. Hopefully that deer was

(38:08):
just slightly quartered away like two degrees, so it's smashed
through that v that we talked about with where the
scapula and the leg bone come back. It's taken out
those top arteries coming off the heart. It's not cutting
the heart. That would be super specific and it's putting
a giant hole in the lungs to where they're deflated
and filled with blood and they're not going to function.

(38:30):
That deer goes twelve yards, maybe twenty. I like it
nice pass through. I also like to also like to
eat the heart. So the heart I don't want to
like smash up because I want to be able to
fry it perfectly when I get home. You know, I'm
very addicted to deer hunting, but I'm also not a

(38:51):
small person and I really like eating venison. So it's
nice to have. Um, what what's your method for frying heart? Butter?
Baby butter and a little bit of interesting No, are
you breading it at all? No? Fright and butter straight up,

(39:14):
straight up butter, salt and pepper, cave man. Yeah, I have,
um what's the salt SPG from a company called Kinders.
It's pretty easy to find here. It's in like the
rub aisle. It's a salt, pepper and garlic. And that
was some butter, a little bit of onion, uh low

(39:35):
heat or more of a seer, more of like a
seer fry. Okay, I know we're we're getting on frying
heart here, but One other question is how do you
clean it up? Because some people Steve Ronella, he basically
just cuts the top off of it, discards that, and
then just goes down cutting it, cutting slices. If you

(39:56):
were cutting across an apple to make the cute little
star in the it all, He'll just go down the
heart like that, cut slices right into the pan. I
personally like to trim the whole outside, then open it
up like a green pepper and trim any funky looking
stuff on the inside. Where do you land on that?
That's exactly exactly how I am. I trim all my

(40:17):
stuff like very detailed trimming. Um I don't I find
that it tastes way better. In my opinion, it's probably
a placebo effect. But if I trim it all up, UM,
I just think that that tastes like a completely almost
completely different kind of meat than it does when you

(40:38):
just you know good. Is Steve's method of just whacking
it and throwing it in there. But the heart that
you cooked in Idaho, which I think was Jordan's cab,
that was some of the best heart I've ever had.
That heart tasted completely different than white tailed heart from
the Berbs. Eating shrubbery and flowers grass. Yeah, huh, that's interesting.

(41:04):
The venison here tastes completely different also while we get
down that rabbit hole. But um, I think it's because
of what they're eating. I mean, they're basically living off
the equivalent of deer taco bell compared to um deer
that live in you know, an area with ag right,
a lot of herb besides past the sides, right, Is

(41:26):
that what you're saying, that just the stuff right? Part
of the problem, that part of what creates the deer
problem that we have here in the suburbs is the
fact that we've taken you know, relatively poor habitat for
deer in a very aging, mixed hardwood forest, which is
like pretty much all this area is, and we've replaced

(41:48):
it with manicured lawns and landscaping and all this stuff
that the deer can thrive on. So now they just
eat hastas and grass and you know stuff that is
is I don't know how that falls on the quality
spectrum for them, but it's allowing them to reproduce and
you know, thrive here. But it's not the best quality

(42:11):
food as my understanding, So I think that that's kind
of what leads to a lower quality venison. I'd be
interesting to try to figure that out if there's a
way to like quantify it, like the nutrients in uh
hastas and daffodils versus um, you know, corn. Yeah, yeah,

(42:34):
But I mean, when I shoot a deer in Kansas,
let's say, or like a mulier. Mulier doesn't count because
it's a different species. But when I shoot a white
tail in Kansas, that venison tastes completely different than one
in Ohio or one here from a backyard. Interesting. I

(42:54):
always have a hard time. My brother in law gives
me some crap a little bit because my mind bags
will just say grind and there could be elk in
their mule, deer, pronghorn, whatever I've killed that year. It
all gets ground. Usually at the same time. It all
gets made into some sausage. But I don't have packages

(43:15):
labeled elk burger, antelope burger. It's just all it's the same.
And I'm like, I can't once it's in a burger,
I can't tell. But he feels like he can really tell,
and everything all the animals have to stay separate. But anyways, um,
all right, we gotta get to broadheads here eventually. Um.
But a couple other set up questions. I'm glad that

(43:37):
you mentioned your your drawway, your length, UM, draw length
all tell me too? Uh? What's uh? How heavy? I
don't want to quite get to the broadheads yet. Let's
let's do this one first. Are you looking through? Are
you looking for a pass through? Why are we not? Yeah?

(44:00):
I want two holes. I want and I specifically want
a hole that exit hole. Being lower to the ground
creates a much easier blood trail to find and follow.
So a lot of the hunts that I'm doing now
this is managing a deer heard. These are cull hunts.

(44:20):
I'm not shooting just one deer and getting down unless
I hear a splash or some tires slam and somebody's screaming.
You know. Generally, I'm hunting doze, and if I'm in
a pocket where there are dose present, generally another family
group is going to come through, And so I'm able
to maximize my efficiency by shooting a couple. More So,

(44:42):
for me, I might shoot two, three deer and a sit.
I stopped shooting at four because I've found after four
the blood trails really cross and you start following your
same path in the woods. It's kind of funny how easy.
I mean, you're in a backyard, you can see landmarks,
but when you're looking down following blood. I can't tell

(45:03):
you how many times you'll pick your head up and
you're like, oh, I've already been here. You know you
have to go back around. It's very weird. And also
those deer will often run on the same trail and
then they'll split off, so it really gets mixed in.
But I stopped shooting it four. I've found that after
four it really turns helter skelter. But I want that

(45:24):
pass through. I want to find my arrow immediately. I
use a lot of white on my arrows so I
can quickly look at them and verify that what the
image that is burdened in my head of what I
saw at the shot and saw what happened, I'm now verifying,
so there's not you know, gut matter or anything on
the arrow. Although I will caution people, I can't tell

(45:48):
you how many times I've shot a deer like perfectly
watched it run and expire and if it's early in
the season, maybe got some of that diaphragm, and they'll
be like some green bile on my arrow, and I'm
how is that possibly on there? Well, it's just kind
of exiting through. Especially if it's a hard quartered away
deer and that arrow is exiting kind of in front

(46:09):
of that offside shoulder, you can catch diaphragm and get
gut bile whatever on there. So don't always go with
you know what's on the arrow, But the arrow is
a phenomenal indicator of what happened. And I'm a huge
advocate for all white. Plus white is one of the
rarest colors except for you, Yanni, because I think you
said it's snow to don there. But white is very

(46:32):
rare in the woods, so it's normally very easy to
find white, whereas, like I used to run blaze orange
stuff on all my fletchings and wraps that can be
surprisingly hard to find, especially in fall foliage. So I
want to pass through. I want that lower hole, and
I really want white everything so I can find my arrow,

(46:55):
identify what's on it, and fallow that blood trail from there. Yeah,
just gonna say wraps can be really nice if you
have them in white, because it just gives you more
surface area for that blood to get on or whatever
it is, because sometimes, like on fletchings, it's just it's
hard to tell sometimes because they're just not that big.
But yeah, the white wrap is good, absolutely. Yeah. White

(47:19):
white is key. I mean all of my arrows are
like all white. They look like Pablo Escobar's arrows. They're
just like you know, I have like an eight inch
white wrap with veins on my whites. My friend in
the woods. Yeah, the only reason I run one vein
that's not white is because I like to have a
cock vein so that if I'm having to do a

(47:40):
quick you know, a lot of times Elk County, you're
just hiking along and also like, oh my gosh, there's
a bowl in the same trail that I'm walking down,
and you know, you go into panic mode, and it's
nice to grab an arrow and know where you know
to align it properly on your string. Not that it
has to be that way, probably it's not gonna make
that much of a difference, but I like to have
a cock. Plus I go pink now hot pink, and

(48:02):
too white because my photographers have told me that when
they're watching arrow flight on their screens that those are
the two colors that pop the best on their screen,
white and pink um. And so, since we often have
the luxury of having a filmed shot hit, it's nice

(48:23):
to have whatever fletchings popping the most so you can
and see exactly where you hit the most. You know,
if you ran a four fletch then you wouldn't have
to worry about that cock. My arrows are so heavy,
I can't add another three grains because it's gonna slow
them down too much. Um, I can't. I can't decide

(48:46):
how we should get into the weight of your broadheads
and the weight of your arrows because I feel like
it could change based on the broadhead. Can you answer
me that, will it change? Like? Should we should we
talk about broadheads, the eight of broadheads and arrows as
we talk about each specific broadhead or can we do
it generally now and then go into the broadhead? Yeah?

(49:08):
So I shoot generally the exact same weight. I shoot
one hundred and twenty five grain head. The reason that
I shoot one hundred and twenty five grain head is
I want my full setup to be right around that
five hundred grain mark. I would much prefer like a
four seventy five four fifty if I could get there,

(49:29):
But due to the draw length that I have, I
haven't found an arrow that I'm comfortable with the outsert
system and really the overall quality of an arrow that
I can get that light on. So for me, righting
that five hundred mark is perfect. I think that, like

(49:53):
anywhere from four to fifty to five hundred, is a
good blend of speed still keeping that momentum and kinetic energy,
which is obviously very important. I know that's a highly
controversial topic at the present day, and some guys like
this ashby stuff and eight hundred grains. Whatever I've shot

(50:15):
heavier arrows, I have not seen a decline in performance
from a six and fifty grain arrow to a five
hundred grain arrow. I have seen an increase in performance
in speed and less drop. So even though it's funny
that I'm only shooting deer at fifteen yards, let's say,
I don't know why it matters to me, but I

(50:37):
really like the idea of having a flatter trajectory with
the same performance. It doesn't matter for the hunting application
that I'm doing, but if you know, I go out
west or whatever, I think it's a more efficient system,
it's better blended, it's more versatile by having less drop,

(50:58):
so five grains one hundred and twenty five grains. The
way I ended up with one twenty fives was because
I wanted a certain amount of front of center on
my arrow, and that extra twenty five grains over the
hundred grain got me there. I could shoot heavier, but
it's harder to find one hundred and you know fifty,
one hundred and seventy five, two fifty whatever type grain heads,

(51:23):
And so I wanted to stick with something where like
if I fly into Duluth and I realize all my
field points aren't there, I'm like, oh my god, I
can go to Cabella's and go buy someone twenty fives
or something. I don't want to get into this like
weird outlier broadhead weight or screwing point weight that I
can't go like rapidly fine somewhere. It's a great point.

(51:46):
It's a great point. That's why I'm always telling people
keep shooting their three oh weights and thirty out six
is yeah, yeah, right, same thing. If I go into
you know, my elk hunt, and all of a sudden
TSA pulled my amo out or something happened. I don't
want to have to go find some like twenty eight
nozzlar hotload special round somewhere. You know, I can just

(52:09):
roll in and buy some thirty out six hornedies and
be ready to rock, right, So same concept for my
hunting setups. So I try to find generally readily available products.
And that's why I'm stuck with the one twenty fives.
And if anybody wants some hundred grain broadheads, I have
a literal pile here that I can't use anymore because
I've switched over to the one twenty fives. All right,

(52:33):
let's get into the broadheads. Then we made a quick list,
Jordan and I of because I didn't want to get
into too much about about actual specific broadheads and the
companies that make them. We can say that for another day.
I think we can break it down. It's into sort
of general categories and tell me if you think this

(52:54):
is too many categories or if we even need more.
But we had like fixed within the fixed blade category,
you got to break it down, I think to subcategories,
which is fixed two blade, fixed three blade, fixed four blade,
and then we even have in the two blade you
have double bevels, single bevels. Then we go to mechanicals,

(53:18):
which I don't even know all the mechanicals enough. I
think there's probably ten subcategories for mechanicals. And then of
course we also have the difference in tips. How do
you think best, as a person that has tried so
many broadheads, how do you think it's the best way
to break it up? I think that's very fair, and
I think in order to assess those you need to

(53:43):
kind of have categories, performance categories, right, and so what
I'm looking for in a broadhead just that I'm that
I'm using to analyze every head that I'm testing, trying whatever,
are a multitude of things. I want accuracy in flight right.
I want to rely on the arrow hitting where my

(54:08):
pen is when I'm executing a shot. Now you know
there is some human error in there. I like to
think that I'm perfect, but I'm definitely not. My wife
will tell you that. So you know, as long as
I do my part, I want the head to fly properly.
So flight characteristics the noise of a broadhead. People don't
often think about how loud different variations of heads are downrange.

(54:34):
I do not want that critter to have any notice
of what's incoming, right, So the noise then, also, forgiveness
is something that I think of, but not in the
traditional sense of forgiveness from an accuracy standpoint, Yes, that's important,
but forgiveness in shot placement. If I make a poor shot,

(54:56):
I want the arrow or the broadhead excuse me to
bail me out. And so what I mean by that
is the larger cutting diameter, the larger cutting surface is
going to help me out. If I hit back, it's
going to cut more stuff. It has a wider a
greater opportunity to hit that vein or you know nick

(55:17):
that for moral artery and result in an instant death.
That's something that I often think about with heads, and
we can get more into that when we start talking
about the different categories of heads and also the blade
profile on them, both in numbers and type, and then
lastly durability. Right, I'm shooting a lot of deer and

(55:39):
I need to be able to reuse them. A head
that goes in the trash after I shoot a deer
with it is trash for me, Like I can't be
spending what products cost nowadays, even at a discount or geez, Frankly,
even if they're free, I don't want to go through,
you know, five dozen, eight dozen heads in a year.

(55:59):
That just doesn't seem right to me. So those are
kind of the categories that I'm applying to all these
heads when i'm testing them. Okay, I follow up on
that though, Taylor's if you're reusing broadheads, are you sharpening broadheads? Oh? Yeah, okay,
you do sharpen your own broadheads after they saw. I'm

(56:22):
calling you guys from my man cave down here, my
command center, and to my left, I have a pile
of used broadheads, and so I basically wait until that
pile gets a little too high for me, and I
will sit here and watch TV and have a glass
of water or bourbon or coffee, depending on what time

(56:43):
of day it is, and just start sharpening away. So
I try to have a couple of boxes of broadheads
at the ready that are sharpened than ready to go
back in rotation. Nice. So I do a lot of sharpening. Yeah, okay,
So we know the categories that you're rating each broadhead on,
and I want to hear pros and cons about each one.

(57:05):
Let's maybe let's maybe do it this way. This might
be a good way to just make it easier for
us to follow along. Why don't instead of starting with, say,
the category just that we're picking, let's start with a
category maybe that you started with, and then we can
go through the categories as you sort of progressed through them.
Is that a good idea? Yeah, I think that's a

(57:26):
great way to attack it. So, first and foremost, you're
only going to get back from a broadhead what you
put into your gear, right, and I think that goes
with everything. Like, you can't say that your boots are
crap if you haven't taken the time to condition them
or break them in. You the same thing with a
broadhead or with a bow. If you haven't tuned a bow,

(57:48):
you're not going to get any you know, the maximum
performance out of it. That's like driving your car to
a racetrack and trying to race it when it's not
designed to do that. I am fanatical about tuning my
gear and having it perform as perfectly as it reasonably can.
So for me, shooting a fixed blade head versus a

(58:11):
mechanical head is not It's it's a level playing field
as far as the accuracy standpoint. A fixed blade head
is going to hit generally where a mechanical head is
going to hit from me, unless there's some like weird
variability that that specific fixed blade head is creating an
issue in point of impact. So if you're not going

(58:32):
to tune your bow, if you're if you're gonna just
like grab your bow off the hangar on October fifteenth
and go hunt with it, and you haven't touched it
since last November, you know, a fixed blade head might
not be for you. Very often on these forums and stuff,
you see like oh, that head flies like crap, performs
like crap. I mean, frankly, any head generally put in

(58:57):
the right place will perform. It's the shooter, either shot placement,
or your gear hasn't been broken down to operate correctly.
So when I first started hunting, I taught myself how
to hunt, and I bought some generic three blade heads
from like Walmart. They did not fly well. I thought

(59:21):
that it was the head that was not flying well.
In reality, it was the Indian, not the arrow, and
it was my lack of bow tuning and performance. So
I quickly switched from fixed blades to mechanicals, which I
think is when a lot of people do that don't
put the time in to tune their bow. So do

(59:42):
you just want to start with like fixed blades versus
mechanicals or do you want to go down my path
of heads? Yeah? I don't know if it has to
be a fixed blade versus mechanicals, because I'd imagine that
there are some pros too mechanicals. I'll be honest, I've
never shot one. I've guided people that shot elk with mechanicals,

(01:00:03):
but I've personally never shot one. So I just think, however,
you want to do it whatever makes sense in your mind,
and to help keep us on track and to make
it not too confusing. But just as long as we
can sort of go over every group or every style
category however we want to say it of broadhead and
sort of go through the pros and cons and and

(01:00:24):
and talk about the results that you saw with each style.
That's what I'm trying to get out of it. Jordan, Okay, Yeah, same,
So let's just go down both categories. So let's start
with fixed blade heads, right. The in my experience with
a fixed blade head, the pros are the penetration of them,

(01:00:48):
So if you hit bone or something harder, you are
less likely to have either a deflection or have your
arrows stop abruptly. In that fixed blade category, you have
two blades, three blades, and four blades, and then you

(01:01:10):
have the two blade with a bleeder as like a hybrid.
So in my experience, the smaller the cutting diameter, the
worst the performance was for me. And the performance that
I'm looking for is easy to follow blood trails and
the fastest expiration of that critter possible. And so when

(01:01:35):
I had smaller holes, especially the smaller slits versus chunks,
so two blades versus three or four blades, the worser,
the worst the performance was. So if you look down
on a scale of fixed blade heads and then zero
being like the animal didn't die, which we all know

(01:01:56):
isn't possible, although we have to tend like, oh my gosh,
the animal took two steps and fell over. On that scale,
two blade heads would be closer to the ones and
twos of it, and going up until like eight or
nine would be the larger four blade or three blade
cutting heads. However, you end up with a little bit

(01:02:20):
of I guess unintended consequences of shooting heads of that
size are you know, they're a little outer in flight,
you have four blades instead of two that are making
noise in the air, and that four blades or three
blades instead of two potentially can create less accurate broadhead flight.

(01:02:43):
So if you're tuning your bow and you're out there
and you're listening to this, and you're thinking, like, I
don't know what head to get, you really need to
play around with a couple different ones to try and
figure out what matters most for you and for me
and my hunting situation. With my draw weight, my draw length,
I have no problem shooting a giant cut on contact

(01:03:06):
fixed blade head. I prefer four blades. Say that time
times fast, because I want to put that giant chunk,
that big, large cutting diameter through an animal. But when
you say four blades, because I think, if I'm correct,
the one you're shooting now, it's it's basically it's a
two blade with bleeders, not four actual blades, right, correct, Yes,

(01:03:29):
So the head that I'm shooting currently has a very
large bleeder on it that's almost the same size as
the actual blades. So it's an inch and an eighth
by an or excuse me, inch and a quarter by
inch and a eighth cutting diameter, So I'm almost getting
a full two and a half inch cut through an

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animal in cutting diameter, which is awesome. And if you
look at the opposite side of the coin and expandables,
expandables are great in the sense that they you know,
they have a very low profile. When they hit they
open up hopefully and then they're making a big hole.

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My concerns with an expandable, just to be general and
kind of like start this off in chapter one, I guess,
are that you don't know that they're going to open
at all times, and so the potential for a lack
of performance is very scary to me. I don't like
relying on that that equipment to perform, and then it

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takes a lot of energy out of your setup to
create that opening. And so you know, add in the
fact that if you hit bone with an expandable and
that your penetration is all but pretty much stopped, or
the braids are blades are breaking or whatever. I've always
shied away from expandables. Now you also have to know

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like where your misses, and I tend to shoot very
tight to the shoulders, so my miss is going to
be tighter to the shoulder than away from it. If
you're a type of person that is the opposite of that,
then maybe an expandable is right for you, because now
we're back on the category of forgiveness, where you know
that giant cutting diameter could help bail you out of

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a situation if you punch a critter through the guts
instead of hitting him in the shoulder. So there's a
ton of variability in what you're doing, and ultimately it's
like what's right for me might not be right for
either of you or anybody else listening. But the kind
of my trials through fifteen years of doing this now

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have led me in a certain direction, and that's large
cut on contact four. I mean three is good, but
four is better. Giant chunks through animals, Yeah, my experiences
with expandables were kind of it just took a lot
of energy to open those. And I think a special
I still have a pretty long draw length and think

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I'm twenty eight and then I'm shooting between sixteen sixty
five pounds kind of depends on the year, but that's
still just not as much as some dude with a
thirty inch draw length and shooting seventy pounds, like you
just have more umph there to be able to punch
that expandable through or as I it just I don't

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have as much umph to try to push it through.
So that's as soon as I had a couple experiences
like that, I started going to like fixed blade or
cough on contact in having way way better luck. Yeah,
And it varies by bow also, right, So I do
a ton of bow testing, and last night I was
shooting five different bows and the speed ranged from two

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sixty five and these are all set up the same,
from two sixty five with my setup to two ninety six.
That's insane, right, I mean thirty feet per second is
a lot of distance, in a lot of energy and
momentum for an arrow to store. Yeah, the variables are

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it's astounding how many there are and how much stuff
you gotta gotta think through, and it's it's hard to
make sense of it all. But I think you've made
a good point earlier really being picky about your shots
and your shot placement, shot distance. That's a great way

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to reduce those variables. And it's something that it just
takes time, you know. I get plenty of flags sometimes
for the shots I've taken on camera, and I want
to remind everybody I'm not afraid to say it. I've
only killed a dozen or so animals with the boat.
I've watched dudes killed fifty of them or more, but
personally I'm at like a dozen. So I'm very early

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on in this process. I took a super quarter and
away shot on a nil guy, but when I shot it,
I didn't think it was two quarter in a way
lo and behold, the era went through eighteen inches almost
of pure stomach before it went into the vitals. The
animal only went seventy five yards. But that animal, that

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arrow and the setup I had, I feel like helped it.
But that arrow had to travel all the way through
a very densely you know, brows packed stomach to get
to the vitals and then still do his job of
cutting and killing the animal. So in my mind that
just that simple two blade, it was a single bevel.

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It allowed it to slice through all that and still
get to where it needed to go to get the
job done. Right where if a different broadhead and maybe
even yours, Taylor, it hits all that stomach content and
maybe it can't make it through there. Because it was
just too much resistance, right, And that could be on
me to not take that severe quarter bring away shot

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next time if I was using that. If you have
totally you have to know you and your gear, right.
I'm convinced that that bow hunting like part of that high,
that awesome feeling that we get is remaining calm and
trying to control yourself while you're having the most insane
adjournaline dump possible. Right Like, there's a critter there, you're

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at full draw. You know what's going to happen, but
you might have to wait ten seconds or thirty seconds
or ninety seconds or let down, right like, like that
is what we all live for. That's that rush. But
you have to know in that moment. And that example
for you is a perfect example. There are times where
if you're taking a shot on an animal that is

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hard quartered away, you might have an entrance point that's
at that last rip or second to last rip. I
mean it is way back there and that's the correct
shot angle that that arrow needs to travel. And depending
on the animal like an elk, I mean that arrow
has got to go another what thirty inches forty inches
to even get into the diaphragm get into the chess cavity.

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So you know, in that instance, a smaller cutting fixed
blade cut on contact head like a two blade, could
be perfect. But you also don't have to have that
animal die in fifty yards. So I think like part
of it is like they say, you know, horses for courses,

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or you have to have your gear for the job.
When I go out west, my gear changes up right, um,
And and that's because I know I have more room
to play with and I and penetration is key here
in the suburbs. You know, failure is not an option,
and that tends to take the fixed blade heads out

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for me and then or excuse me, the mechanical heads
out for me and puts the fixed blades into play.
And then you know, a critter going down as fast
as humanly possible as important. So that's where these large
cutting diameters come come, you know, useful for me. Where
like you said earlier, if a deer goes down one
hundred yards, for you guys, you're like, hell, yeah, it's down.
I watched it drop, Whereas I'm like, I'm like, oh

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my gosh, I have to go pull my street clothes
out of my car and get changed and you know,
I'm about to get yelled at by Karen, so here
we go. So success for me is different than success
for the average hunter. But I think knowing that equipment
and how it's performing is really really key. And also,

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you know, early on I was shooting large mechanicals that
were a two blade mechanical, so a rear deploying two
blade mechanical. And what was mind blowing to me was
how much variability you had just depending on what articulation
that blade entered at. So if it was totally horizontal,

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you could get completely different results than totally vertical because
you just have this like cutting slit that goes through there,
and you could theoretically, you know, have one that went
through vertically and you catch a bunch of goodies and
the animal goes down right away, and if it's horizontal
or it's some weird angle, you just have the potential
of not getting you know, all the good stuff. So

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when I look at a larger cutting chunk, to me,
that's more forgiving than just the slit right that goes through.
I think a lot of people would agree with you
there too. Where the anytime you can add an axis
of cutting is better than just the one, and I've
got the first elk I killed, same thing. It was

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the perfectness of perfect shots. Both lungs passed through through
the scapula on the far side. I was like, oh,
that thing's it's done right. I just I was kicking
back with my wife, just saying, hey, let's give it
thirty minutes, we'll go and start start butchering. Well. Twenty
four hours later, I'd lost a blood trail over and
over again, spent the night in the wood. It's I'm

(01:13:01):
just doing mercy loops and randomly come upon this beaver
pond and this cow's fallen into it, and this is
I found it, so I can tell you exactly what
the arrow did. It was. It was actually interesting because
it was had the water had chilled everything down so
much that it was a beautiful netcropsy, like all the everything,
the heart and the lungs were in this like perfect state. Right.

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It was just cold and you could look at it
and see see what all happened there. But the best
I can figure is because there was only one axis
on that cut, no bleeders. It was a Magnus stinger,
which I think is a people consider a good broadhead.
But if I was going to shoot it, I would
definitely have bleeders because that just that single slit going
through there. It allowed those lungs to sort of seal

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that slit and maintain some sort of compression and keep working.
And that elk went a mile. Yeah, I mean, it happens.
The there's a reason that after World War One, you know,
triangle shaped daggers were outlawed right in warfare, and it's
because it's very difficult to suiture that wound and fix it.

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That's what I want to shoot. I don't want, you know,
something that's reparable. And you know, mother nature is great
at surviving, and I've seen animals of buddies of mine
that have gotten like one lung hits with a two
blade head, very similar to like what you're talking about, Yanni,
that the deer lived. I mean, we shot a dough

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once it twenty three and fifteen eight years ago that
had been shot and only had one lung hit. And
when we opened her up, her one lung was totally
healthy and functional up until about twenty minutes before her
other lung looked like a raisin. It was black and

(01:14:53):
had shriveled up and was just like a dead lung.
And the best guests that we had, now granted we're
all not very intelligent people, was that, you know, that
lung basically was debt. It ceased to work in her
from that one long hit um and and she still

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survived though. So it's unbelievable the resiliency that these animals have,
and and that's why it's important to put a big
gold chunk through them, right Yeah? Can I kind of
have a two parter here, but for folks going into
like a store looking at some broadheads, can when they're
looking at a pack of broadheads, can you tell them

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the difference between like a double bevel and a single
bevel and then a chisel tip versus like a cut
on contact, Like, what does that look like? Absolutely? Yeah? So, um,
you know, a single bevel is just going to have
the cutting kind of blade the shave part on one side.
The other side will be flat or un sharpened. I

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guess it would be a good way to put it.
And the theory is that that will core through as
it's cutting. It will help kind of continue that spiraling
for deeper penetration. I've never had an issue with penetration,
so I can't really speak to like, hey, this arrow
is buried deeper in the dirt than the other ones
that I've shot through it. So I have not seen

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really any difference between the two of those. And then
you said a cut on contact head versus a chiseltip,
So you know, cut on contact head is just going
to look kind of like the point of a dark
not sharpened, whereas a chisel tip will have some sort
of like sharp angles or sharpened structure to them to
help kind of punch through or cut whatever it's potentially hitting.

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And now I have had phenomenal success with chisel tip
type heads or something that gradually like starts at a
very fine point and then goes up into a more
gen totle angle to where that can help punch through something.
I think that's a very important feature for a head

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to have. Well, hold on, I thought, the head you're
shooting now it's cut on contact, isn't it. Yeah, Well,
it's kind of a hybrid. It has a one that
I'm shooting now is cut on contact with a little
bit of like a fine point. The head that I
shot prior to that one kind of a hybrid too.
It came down to like a super fine point with

(01:17:29):
a gentle ramping up to it, and I've had that
punch through stuff that it should not punch through. So
that's always kind of fun to see. Well, I don't
know if that's fun. Actually it means you didn't put
the best shot on an animal if it blows through something.
But what a good example of a chisel tip be
like a slick trick. Yeah, I would put a slick

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trick in the chiseltip category, even though it's kind of
like gentle. I think the fact that it has the
four heads that are coming down to a very fine
point is what really helps that head penetrate through. And
there are a couple of different variations of that head.
So generally in a head, I want gradual cutting. I

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do not want something that just instantly fans out on
like you know, a steep angle, because if you think
about that head going through tissue or bone or whatever
it's penetrating through, you want it to gradually cut as
opposed to just instantly go from oh i'm flying, now
I'm cutting. You know, that's that is taking away from

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that kinetic energy and momentum that is propelling the arrow
through the air. Got it. So you're staying heads that
would end up being too shallow of an angle or
are and I'm guessing that's mostly mechanicals right to become
almost too flat, too fast, that's what you're saying you
don't like. Yeah, So one thing that I really had

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some of the worst success with were over the top
puting expandables. So you have two ways for an expandable
broad head to deploy. There's rear opening. So if you
guys are thinking of a broadhead looking down from top
to bottom, that heads, the blades are going to slide
back into their open position and cut, so they're instantly

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cutting using the tissue to open. Whereas a over the
top head, if you put your hands together and then
open your hands outwardly, that's how an over the top
head is designed to work. For me, I think there
are a lot of potential issues with that type of
system deploying because you're taking a ton of energy and

(01:19:41):
momentum to open a head that way. Also, you're having
a very small entry hole, and for me, I want
giant holes everywhere that they are able to be, so
to have an over the top opening head, to me,
robs a lot of energy and momentum, and then also
is not allowing a large head or excuse me, a

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large hole until the exit side. Interesting bones, what works
well in your experience ripped through the categories, and let's

(01:20:26):
just say ribs, because I'm sure you've seen plenty of
scapulards get hit too, but let's just stay with ribs.
Have you ever had anything failed just on a rib.
I've never had anything fail just on a white tail rib.
I have seen where people have had issues on elk ribs.
I'm not the most experienced elk hunter, considering the fact

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that I'm more pear shaped than not so the elk
mountains and I don't really get along, but for white tail,
I've never had a rib get in the way of anything.
I mean, I've smashed rib no problem now, I would
think just generally when it comes to bone though, on

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our spectrum that we've talked about earlier, where you know,
small as on one side, large as on the other.
The smaller the head, the better job it's going to
do to penetrate. There's less stuff catching it there. It's
easier to kind of mal through tissue as opposed to
a larger head where there might not be anything behind

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the blade kind of helping it push through. I do
think that brings up an interesting kind of point though,
where on some heads that are designed like a fixed blade,
or you know some of the fixed blades that don't
have a trust system on the blade, so if it
does encounter some resistance, it might break away to where

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that will rob some energy. But what's left is able
to still penetrate down into an animal and keep doing
its job. There was a head that I used to
shoot shot a ton of deer with that was a
fixed blade head that looked like a mechanical where the
blades were already kind of deployed, and I had many

(01:22:13):
instances where that head would penetrate far beyond anything else
because if it encountered anything, it would just kind of
bend out of the way. So reliability or durability rather
not the best on that head, But as far as
doing its job, it was awesome, and the core of
that head was great. The downside of that head the

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reason I ended up stopped shooting it. It was too big.
So you run into issues where like these broadheads are
a problem to fit in your quiver, or you potentially
have like bow shelf issues where if that head is
a certain way, it might catch the riser on your shelf.
And for me, I do not want to put in

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the time and effort or have the potential for failure
pop up in the tree. When I'm like spun around
like a two hundred and forty pound pretzel and I'm
getting ready to execute a shot, I don't want, you know,
the arrow to fly weird and all of a sudden
you're like, what happened? And you know, you realize that
the arrow caught the shelf of your bow or there

(01:23:16):
was something that created a potential issue in your shot. Yeah, man,
I've got an and I do it for that one.
My brother in law and I were hunting, I think
it was two falls ago, and first evening out he
gets a shot. It's a little bit on the longside,
which is why I thought he had made the mistake.

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Initially it was it was fifty plus and I see
the bull run off with the arrow stuck. I mean
looked like he was aiming for the jugular, you know,
just like high high neck, and I'm like, what in
the world, Like, like, I know that was a little
bit of a punk. Might have been excited, but I
mean you're like three or four feet away from where

(01:23:59):
you were supposedly aiming. Right. Well, we didn't find that bowl,
but it was a week or two later when when
he's reevaluating, he didn't even want to hunt forever. He
just set the bow down and he was so upset
about the whole thing. But it wasn't until week or
two later we're shooting and he's drawn back, and I'm like,

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we gotta shoot the broadheads, like, no more field tips.
We've got to figure out what happened. And sure enough,
one of those blades was just long enough. And I
always put felt down on or mole skin whenever you
want on the on the shelf, right, so to minimize
any kind of noise. Well you could see that that

(01:24:42):
that uh one tip of one of those broadhead blades
was just catching it enough. And sure enough, at twenty
yards he shoots missed the target. So at fifty it
was very easy to see how he could be off
by three or four feet, you know, but he's probably
shooting his field tips and hitting you know, inside out.

(01:25:02):
Bull's eyes going liked already, let's go. Yeah, Yeah, you
have to practice with the gear that you're going out
in the woods and using, because otherwise you don't know
that that problem exists until it's you know, too late. Yeah,
are you looking at material construction and stuff too? On
your broadheads? That's what they're made out of to some extent,

(01:25:24):
although you know, not as much as I probably should
be in the sense that all of the all the
heads that I'm shooting and having success with, you know,
they're not made of lesser material. Early on, I had
an issue with a certain expandable head that was made
out of an aluminum ferrell and that was an absolute

(01:25:49):
disaster because the aluminum was crumpling like a can, right,
So you can't have that. So but I don't know
enough about like the hardness of steel, whether it's like
four or fourty or you know, four to eighty or whatever.
I like that that's Latin to me. Um. I know
that when I have a head that is, you know,

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made out of quality material, quality material, it's performing flawlessly.
What's the what's the most you think deer you've ever
shot with the same head, resharpening, shooting a deer, resharpening,
shooting a head like what's being your longest lasting head?
I counted that. Last year, I had a twelve deer

(01:26:33):
that I shot with the same head um and it
unfortunately the head expired when it passed through and smashed
into a quartz rock and looked like kind of like concave.
It was very smashed um and that head performed flawlessly,

(01:26:53):
and that was actually what won me over to shooting
the head that I'm currently shooting now compared to what
I had shot for for years prior to that. Can
you tell us what the head was? Yeah, So the
head that I'm shooting now is the method archery. It's
called the VBS. So it's an inch and inch and

(01:27:14):
a quarter by inch and eighth head. And I actually
have that exact head sitting down here on my on
my too sharpened pile. But it's really it's dead. It
cannot be brought back. But it went through a pile
of critters and I was like, you know what this
thing is? Uh, this has won me over. Um, it's

(01:27:34):
a you know, phenomenal head. The prior to that, the
head that I you know, shot a ton was a
four blade head that is readily available, and I just
think the world of and I've seen it performed in
situations that it shouldn't have. And um really just a

(01:27:55):
phenomenal head that um you know works for everyone. Which
one it's the slick trick grizz trick too, So the
Griz trick for me, UM, I like the blade angle
of it better. So the Griz trick is an inch
and a quarter by an inch and a quarter head,
but the blades are further back on that on that

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Farrell as opposed to the electric mags. So the electric
magnum ends up with a little steeper cutting diameter or
angle because it's like tip and then instantly blade, whereas
that Griz trick there's a little more of the actual
broadhead Farrell before it gets into the blade. And those

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heads are phenomenal. The only downside to eclectric head is
that there's a washer on it, and for some reason,
that washer you would think is square on both sides.
But if that you have to spin those heads, and
if they don't spend, true, you need to flip the
washer over and then they will spin. So I just

(01:29:02):
spin them on my finger, like anytime I get the
deer camp or when I assemble ahead. I just you know,
I'm sure you guys do is just spin the arrow
kind of like a top on your finger, and you
can feel if it's spinning appropriately or not. If you
feel any wobble on that head, you need to stop
and flip that washer around. That was the only downside

(01:29:24):
to those heads is that there's a little bit of
potential for imperfection just because of that washer. But the system,
the way they work together for resharpening them, they're an
absolute dream dream head. The method head that I'm shooting
now has a little bit of a swept angle to

(01:29:45):
the blades, and I think that that really helps with
the cutting, and it's more of like a gradual slice,
just at rapid speed as it's entering an animal. I
shot a dough recently. It took a step right when
my shot was breaking, So as I'm applying tension to
the release, shot breaks and it hit her. My initial

(01:30:09):
reaction was, oh, no, it was back. She was broadside,
maybe like one degree quartered away. She ran about ten steps,
looked back and fell over. Debt better to be lucky
than good. I definitely caught some goodies there right on
the back side of the lung. But um, you know

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I have not. You must have opened it up. What
did you catch to get that? So it was a result.
I got the back of her lungs. I think that
her lungs she you know, people don't realize that, you know,
just like our body when we have air and our lungs,
our lungs are expanded. I think her lungs had expanded
out and I actually caught the back triangle, if you will,

(01:30:53):
of her lungs. It was a perfect double lung shot.
But visually it looked like looked at guts. I mean,
it looked like liver if I was lucky. So I
just happen to get lucky with her. But that's the
type of forgiveness that I want, and I feel like
by shooting a large four blade head, I'm getting forgiveness

(01:31:16):
on both ends of the spectrum. If I hit back,
like in that instance, I'm able to hopefully catch some
goodies and put it. Deer down quickly also have large
holes to where they're not clawting up or they're less
likely to clog up, and they're easier to follow the
trails of If I hit forward, I know that I
have personally enough energy and momentum to punch through pretty

(01:31:39):
much anything that it's hitting. I mean, unless I hit
the absolute knuckle of a shoulder, you know, which some
bullets aren't getting through, then I'm probably okay. A lot
of info I don't know, if I don't know, if
I have it, if I'm any clear now in my
head about what I think about broadhead before we started.

(01:32:02):
But I'm gonna I'm gonna personally have to read listen
to this podcast in which you talked about So here's
how here's how it would sum it up. Um, if
you're shooting, if you're shooting a tunebow and you're hunting whitetail, um,
you know, shots inside forty yards, it's hard to go

(01:32:22):
wrong with a fixed head. If you are shooting less
poundage where a fixed head might be detrimental for expansion
or whatever. I mean, it's hard to go wrong with
a fixed head. Fixed head in the right spot's going
to do his job. And if you're hunting out west
where recovery can be a little longer, maybe a slightly
smaller fixed head, but never is a large cutting diameter

(01:32:46):
broadhead a bad thing. Yeah, I feel like everybody should
start with a fixed blade and then maybe like depending
on the situation, and you're set up you could graduate
into trying like an expandable, But I don't think people
should just go to an expandable just for ease of
not having to tune your bow or something. They should
just do it right and go to a try fixed blade.

(01:33:10):
I totally agree a fixed blade with bleeders on it.
You want four You want to cut a chunk, not
a slit, and then you know, if you are experiencing
issues from there, start to address those issues. So if
you notice that the head that you're shooting is loud
in flight, Like if you start noticing that you're you're

(01:33:33):
shooting animals and they're like ducking bad, they're hearing it,
you're hearing a whistle, address that issue. Hots are you're
not going to have much of an issue. Like if
that's happening, your broadhead itself is catching a lot of
air in flight. And you know, we're talking like minor
changes that happen from a solid blade to a to

(01:33:55):
a vented head. So start with a fixed blade and
address potential problems from there. But you can't go wrong
with a fixed plate. Yeah now, yeah, and again, you're
just gonna have to take the responsibility to tune your
bow to get your system dialed, because I think that's
one of the main things you'll hear and we'll get
it in the comments is going to be Yeah, but

(01:34:17):
those things are so hard to tune. They're they're not though,
So I mean, here for anyone that's shooting, you know,
the first thing you need to check is your form.
Is your draw length the correct length. Like I see
these people all the time that are overbowed their draw length,
their their hands back behind their head. You know, that's
just it's bad. That's like trying to play golf with

(01:34:39):
clubs that Tiger Woods is going to use. You need
to get the bow correct for you, get the drawway
to where you can shoot it, shoot a lot, get
your grip consistent, and all you do is you shoot
a fuel point and you shoot a broadhead and you
move your rest a little bit and you're there, like,
this is not extreme sign You do not have to
take it to the level that I do where I'm
like moving strands on I string around because I'm weird

(01:35:02):
and OCD about it and I literally can't shoot it
if I don't feel like I put that level of
detail into it. I mean, there are tons of resources
online for very simple bow tuning one on one and
just get your stuff hitting in the right spot. Do
not just move your your bowsite to where a broadhead's
hitting and try to go hunt. Please, don't do that.

(01:35:23):
You know, do a little level of tuning and you
will be very happy with the results. It's more confident
in your system too, for sure. Absolutely. And if like
we all know that Murphy follows you into the back country,
and the second that you're in the back country and
something goes wrong, you're going to have the knowledge and
the confidence to work on your gear and know what happened.

(01:35:46):
You're not going to have to burn a day driving
into town to the local bow shop that's probably slammed
to figure out what happened to your bow. You know,
like you're burning a day of vacation to hunt. Don't
spend it at the bow shop. You can your boat
right there in the back country and be ready to go. Yep. Absolutely,
So we're going to close this thing out with a

(01:36:07):
listener question from Lee underscore Lands on Instagram. He says
he's having issues with making holes with little or no
blood trail. He says how and why and is it
too sharp? Never? Too sharp? Never? Tested your tested on
your finger if you think it's too sharp. How many
times have you guys cut yourself when you're when you're

(01:36:28):
you know, doing something with a sharp blade, and you
look at it for a second and you're like, oh,
I hope it doesn't bleed, and then the blood starts
trickling out right, You're like no, no, no, and then
you super glow it back together. Um. I'll add to
that real quick. The sharp cuts same way on your
own finger something. If you cut yourself with an extremely
sharp knife or a razor blade, it takes forever to

(01:36:49):
stop bleeding. The dollar that knife is, or in this case,
the dollar your broadhead is, the easier it is for
that wound to close back up to coagulate. It's just
it's science. You can't dispute that. So, yeah, you can't
be too sharp, shoot sharp. Yeah. Now, so I have

(01:37:12):
shot I mean hundreds and hundreds of deer with the
same head and have seen brought blood trails where one
you walk and you're like, man, Stevie Wonder can follow
this blood trail Like I could video this and send
it to Slick Trick. They're going to use it on
every promotional content ever. Or whatever head you're shooting right,
and I've shot deer with the same head, and then like,

(01:37:35):
where the hell is the blood trail? You know, and
you're like, I know the deer was right here. I
can look at the footage and see it was standing
in front of this tree, and there's not a drop
of blood. The reason for that is shot placement. So
depending on where you hit that animal. If you shoot
an animal, and even if you're shooting from an elevated position,

(01:37:56):
but based on the topography, that critter is almost level
with you, that arrow is entering an exiting almost level
and you get high lungs. It takes a while for
that blood to fill up before it's sprang out. And
anybody who's shot a deer like that, I mean, I
know I have. I think you guys might have. Like
you're like looking all over and then you find blood,

(01:38:17):
and then you find a ton of blood because it's
finally there and it's blowing out. That's why deer that's
hitting the heart will blow blood everywhere because it's instant blood.
It's pumping out, same with a like a fumoral artery hit.
So the only reason that you will have poor blood
trails are mainly it's shot placement. Now, if you hit
a deer low and you get one hole, or maybe

(01:38:39):
you're using an over the top expandable, so your entry
hole is little, and your exit hole potentially gets clogged
with you know, like a chunk of liver or whatever.
That obviously will impact your blood trail, but generally lower
in the lungs is hard to beat. You're gonna have
spray everywhere and fantastic trail. A lot of gut shot

(01:39:02):
or single like shoulder hit deer or any animal for
that matter, will end up clogging up and you're basically
doing the hail Mary circles from there trying to to
you know, desperately find that animal nice anything else. Ye,
So your answer to Lee is make better shot placement.

(01:39:23):
Pay pay more attention to your shot placement. Get that
a little lower in that that lower third of the animals.
So I want the arrow to exit through my my
little you know, soccer ball, my kids, soccer ball in
that lower third of an animal. Um that's that's vital
to catching what I want to catch and having it

(01:39:44):
go through to where that blood trail is instant, and
it's it's very frothy and short hopefully. Yeah, uh no,
I don't have anything else, Taylor's there anything we missed
that you want to add about broadheads on deer at
close range and making them not go far at all? No,

(01:40:06):
I'm sorry to take you down the rabbit hole. I
can talk about this for days. I've definitely have a
little bit of experience in it. So if anybody has
any questions, let you guys know, and I'm happy to
help in any way. You can ultimately trust your grell.
Tell everybody where they can find we know, we have
the Hank and Hunt podcast, and I tell everybody like

(01:40:26):
work they can. They can find you on the Internet
or Instagram. Yep. Instagram is Urban Bowman and most of
the hunts that I do end up on YouTube under
hunts Urban, so check them out. Lots of different broadheads
being put in the air at critters on there for sure.

(01:40:46):
All right, Well, thanks Taylor for everybody listening. You can
send your questions, things you want to hear or specific
questions to USK at gear talk at the meter dot com,
and then if you go to the website at the
mediator dot com, locate the podcast tab find gear talk
on each individual episode. You can comment specifically on there

(01:41:09):
and uh yeah, or you can get a hold of
us on Instagram at Jordan's about his Mind and Yannes
underscore patel us pretty sure it's an underscore gosh, y'all
just thank you. Can't even remember myself now, shoot us
a d M directly and we'll address it. So cool.
Thanks for listening everyone, Thanks guys,

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