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Speaker 1 (00:05):
From my Heart Media. This is Missing in Alaska, the
story of two congressmen who vanished in nine two and
my quest to figure out what happened to them. I'm
your host, John Waalzac. At the end of every episode,
(00:26):
I assigned what some lovingly call homework. Ways you can
help move this story forward and guess what you have.
I've heard from so many of you, and I really
appreciate your help. In episode two, I asked you to
help me find the Ham radio operators who heard a
mysterious transmission that allegedly came from the Beggage Box plane.
(00:46):
The day it disappeared. I knew that two of the
Ham operators were dead, but I wasn't sure about the
other four. Then I started to hear from you, our listeners.
One person who emailed us was Anne Shepherd of Abington, Maryland,
and did some sleuthing and figured out that one of
the Hams, Ronald Crawford, was actually Donald Crawford. Newspapers misreported
(01:09):
his name in nineteen seventy two. Thanks to Anne, our
assistant producer Chris Brown was able to speak with Don's
son Bain, who clearly remembers the incident. He said his
father heard the alleged pilot say the plane was quote sliding.
After Anne Leeds continued to flow in, including one from Wyoming,
where a couple heard my call for help. They told
(01:31):
me they knew a man named Joe Tatum. He lived
in an assisted living facility. He might be the Joe Tatum,
one of the Hams who heard the mystery transmission. They
called him. Turns out he is the Joe Tatum, the
last person alive who heard the transmission that's find the plane.
(01:54):
Tatum is eighty three. He lives in Evanston, Wyoming. Can
you tell me what did you hear? I heard a
play a pilot and a plane more a help? And
what did he What did he say? Do you remember
what he said? He said he talks to me. HU
didn't through the miles south west a juno Alaska, and
(02:18):
I made I made a map and had everything backwards
because I did not know that there anything about Alaska.
I just picked it up on the radio and I
went from here. And did you actually speak with him
or did you just hear the transmission? Well or the
(02:41):
transmission but you didn't have a chance to directly speak
with him. No, I didn't die somewhere huddering through the
miles from Juno, Alaska in the air, and did he
say anything else that he did? He say the plane
was in distress. Yep, he said that he didn't see
(03:02):
the plane was distressed. He said he was talking to me.
I didn't brew the mouth southwest of Juno, and that
they went down and hit hit the rocks and he
had three casualties. And there they said the plane was slipping.
(03:23):
That's all I heard, and then we lost it. Do
you remember about how long you heard these transmissions for?
Was it a few minutes? Was it? Was it several
times over the course of an hour? It was so
probably about five minutes all total at the time hearing
(03:47):
him trying to talk to him and the plane going down,
So you heard him while he was in the air,
and then you say after he crossed he ever then
after he crashes, because we heard I heard him beIN
here first and he when he said he was probably
a hundred thirty miles southwest a Juno. And the next
(04:12):
the next thing I knew, he said the planet. Hey,
he had hit the rocks and he was uh, had
three casualties. And that's all we can tell you did
you get a name? No? He he said them, and
(04:34):
he had three he had uh passion drucon, he had
three casualties. And didn't you no name, no name or
nothing like that? All we all I heard was just
stress on the radio. Did you hear any tale number? Nope?
(04:55):
And so I found your name in an old newspaper article.
And as far as I could tell, um, there were
I think four to five other men who heard this transmission. Um,
do you mind if I passed their names by you
and you tell me if you remember any of them? Yeah,
go ahead, al Miller, if you find that plane? How
(05:16):
did that not? Absolutely? Sir? Yes, Um, al Miller, Uh,
I'm not Victor Parker, Roy Harris. See. Most of these
(05:37):
guys on the radio then was all under both pretense.
Hey give their r name, And we didn't know who
was who until we most of us men in that plane.
When you say under false pretense, you mean just because
people didn't have official licenses. Yes, Oh, I wasn't a
(06:02):
true hand operator. I had. I had a CB radio
strapped down to where I could talk to each about
anybody I want to do. So, when you picked up
this transmission, did you pick it up on a HAM
radio or on a CB radio. I picked it up
on my HAM receiver and most of them was heard
(06:26):
on the TB radio. Gotcha, se So just to be clear,
you you picked it up on on a HAM receiver though, yes, um,
And then so you know obviously know more about radio
than me. But you you picked it up on the
HAM and a CB radio or just on the ham
he I had it on. I had it on both.
(06:49):
And the thing about a dish. Uh, he must have
had channel line in his radio in that plane because
we had we heard and playing clearer mm hm and
so um, do you remember any other details about what
(07:09):
he said? I've slept shimping. And so you said that
you made a map? Was that just you pulled out
a map of Alaska and you and you were looking. Oh,
I didn't bu on the map of Alaska. I sat
down and dragged me a piece of paper, on a
piece of paper where he was proxiling Matt where he
(07:30):
was going, and I had it backwards because I didn't
know that Juno was on the lower end and not
down on the where he was at. I picked it
all back for Joash kind of dumbfounded over y I
(07:53):
feel a little stupid after I learn minute that that
Juno was way down here next door the United States,
and Alaska was up the end of the day was
further north. Yeah, John is pretty low and if you're right,
(08:14):
I think you know most people unless you look at
a map, but you think Alaska and what you think
of is the northern part, and Juno's, you know, all
the way further down. But um, so, so you know
you said that he mentioned being did you say a
hundred and twenty or a hundred and thirty miles southwest
of Juno? I heard him say, talxed me a hundred
(08:34):
and thirty just to be clear, yep, And um did
he give you an I'm sorry After I got up
there and and realized I was stupid that David was backwards,
I kind of realized that he he wasn't where I
(08:55):
thought he was because Joana mat back which they took
the little maps that drawed. The Air Force has got
it somewhere up there, and so the map that you drew.
Did he give you any other directions or indication other
than just saying he was a hundred and thirty miles
(09:16):
southwest of Juneo? No, he didn't have much time to
give us anything. What did his what did he what
did he sound like? What was his person? Did he
sound upset? Was he angry? He needed help? He needed
(09:37):
help because you could kill his voice and everything that
he was in trouble and we lost him. Do you
remember the last thing that you heard from him? I
think when he said that drew the mouth southwest of Junio, Alaska.
(10:00):
And so after you heard this transmission, who did you contact?
What happened afterward? He it rocks and the plane was slipping.
He had three castles, And did you call the police
or who did you contact? We called Camp b Or
(10:22):
I think it was they are based and they said
they had it all already, and the next morning they
had us meat at the air base and get on
a plane and light and what was that experience like this?
(10:48):
It was a plane ready I've never had. And they
they throwed the seats out of that big plane. They
throw it all the seats out of it, lightened it
up and made room for us to get in it.
It was a fue legit. So they used And you said,
the other men that flew up with you to Alaska,
did you know any of them? Or were they all
(11:09):
new to you. I thank Swamp Fox, I think was
one of them moved with us, and I knew. I
knew of him because I talked to him several times
and when I went out when I won't buy Channel
nine picked up. The last little part of what was
(11:32):
going on, Uh, swamp Fox is when I went to
first and I think Don Crawford, out of Mary Jane
was one of the boys. Mm hmye h and uh
(11:53):
Don this type of person. You better be right because
he don't want a much of bullshit. H he was,
he was, he was drawing the radio. He picked it
up from Channel nine and he hildered at me when
because I'd already went by Channel nine when I first
(12:15):
picked it up. And then I was trying to get
somebody done help me because you can only hear so
much in our radio. And the guy they did need help.
And I still think he's between Juno and get your
(12:40):
can or somewhere down in there. And so when you
went to Alaska, did they were they just asking you
a million questions? Or what was that process like? In Alaska?
We said for eighteen hours looking at pictures they had
taken already with the planes, seeing if we recognize anything. Wait,
(13:00):
they they had you look at pictures of of what
gives We just went in an office type room and
sit down and started looking and stuff. What were the
pictures of? Most of them are shot from the airplane
from the marriage Yet, yes, when there's locate somebody. So
(13:23):
they had you that you and the other Ham operators
looking over photos that they had taken to see if
you could spot the wreck. Yep, that seems kind of
seems kind of odd. Do you do you have any
idea why they would ask you guys to do that
in particular, Well, they're trying to get see if we
recognize anything that we might have seen from the air
(13:48):
and their postures and the thing about it is they
they took a lot of pictures and did find that
I think another plane they had been lost several before
upter in the ice. M hm. I don't know exactly
(14:08):
what that when there was the understood the did located
another plane, but it wasn't the one we were looking for.
And you mentioned you mentioned Don Crawford, who was the
first person that you mentioned. Uh, swamp Fox was his handle,
(14:29):
swamp Fox. Do you remember his name? Not all hand
I don't I slipsin? Do you buy any chance? Do
you have a diary or any records from nineteen seventy two? No,
I haven't died, had family problems and divorce and been
married everything else, and I I haven't. I've got a
(14:55):
radio upstairs and attitude my work of get death boot
out of it. And when when you heard this transmission?
Where in California? What city were you living in? I
was living in Due City, just out of Boreville, California.
(15:16):
I had an Antennada built and I talked all over
the world. Was it so? After they talked that, the
Air Force interviewed you guys. What the What Major Stalker,
who was leading the search command, said was that they
all believed the HAM operators that you guys were telling
(15:37):
the truth, but they thought that the transmission was likely
a hoax. What what do you think about that? Well,
they they tried telling me that they was hoax. It
wasn't right, But dang about it is. There was too
many of us heard it, and I wonder snow connected.
(16:02):
There was one old man that wi this. I think
he lived in Olive Hers or somewhere over there, and
he took an he swore him down that we wish
trying trying to pull a hoax, and then after he
heard what went on Nipture, he wanted to know more
(16:22):
about it too. I've still got I still got part
of that radio upstairs in the attic. I agree if
I could, if I could record it backwards, sure would
for you. So you still have part of the radio
(16:45):
receiver that you used when he received the transmission. I
talked from California to South Korea. I talked to uh
ships off the coast of uh Alaska. I talked to
ships and boats. Uh yeah, it was thank got for Korea.
(17:13):
That was Curio Korea. At U S. Pennuccio took a
ship years ago. They if it's a hoax, I want
to know who where? And Hawaiian because of what I
heard was somebody in stress warned out, huh. Well, the tower,
(17:39):
the radio tower that you built, do you remember how
tall it was or any details about it? That dantanna
you and the top of a cedar tree. Uh, probably
a hundred pitch foot in here. And I apologize to
ask this again, but when you first picked up the
plane trans us and that was via the hand receiver,
(18:03):
Uh yeah, it was only hand receiver. But it was
on channel nine, which is CB channel. Interesting, Okay, I
had a habit. In fact, a lot of C beers
had to have it everything. We decided to change channel.
You go by channel line and wait a few minutes.
(18:25):
See if there was anybody want to help, or maybe
somebody run out of gas, maybe some man of flat
I could I could pick that up on the radio.
I went. I went by channel nine. I think I
probably come off of twenty four or someone in them
our other channels. I went by a channel nine and
(18:47):
I heard this. He was he was in dressed, he
was hutting through the mouth southwest of Alaska, of Juneral
and he needed help. And I thought Junior was way
upon the other end Asamashka, and I was wrong. Have
(19:09):
you ever been interviewed by a journalist before about this? Nope,
So almost fifty years later, this is the very first
time you've ever been interviewed about this. I've got a
phone call here about a week ago. I want to
know if I was a joke Katman Davis talking about
and on radio. You know, one of the things since
(19:29):
we're airing the show is that we're asking people for help.
And I had one listener who helped me figure out
that it was Donald not Ronald, so Don Crawford and um.
And then another listener who found you, and which is
which is amazing because I've been looking for the longest
time to try to speak to anybody, and like I said,
(19:52):
you're you're You're the very last ham who's still alive.
So if you, if you, if you, if you got
a call all from Rancor. Yeah, the guy I worked for,
his son is the one that called me and wanted
to know if I was the one they was talking about.
(20:12):
Uh huh and uh told me, yeah, I didn't. I
was there Buka for that thing. I want to find
out if they valiant. Well what an experience. I'm really
happy that I found you. I I like I said,
you're the last one who is alive. And as far
(20:32):
as I could tell, nobody ever recorded an interview with
any of the others, and nobody recorded an interview with you,
So it's a little little piece of history. I'm glad
I had a chance to talk with you. Is is
there anything else that you remember or any questions that
you want to ask me? If you find out something
I want to know, Yes, sir, I will call you. Yeah,
(20:53):
I kind of shot maybe they found something. Well, I'm
looking for it. True. They kid told me wanting to
know if I was to warn from l ask you
they were looking for well cool, Okay, I appreciate it. Joe,
(21:14):
I know, I know whoo who was now? Thank you by.
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(21:35):
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(21:58):
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Ann Shepherd and Joe Tatum. Thank you also to the
couple in Wyoming who connected me with Joe. They declined
(22:18):
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From my Heart Media. This is Missing in Alaska, the
story of two congressmen who vanished in nine two and
my quest to figure out what happened to them. I'm
your host, John Waalzac. At the end of every episode,
(00:26):
I assigned what some lovingly call homework. Ways you can
help move this story forward and guess what you have.
I've heard from so many of you, and I really
appreciate your help. In episode two, I asked you to
help me find the Ham radio operators who heard a
mysterious transmission that allegedly came from the Beggage Box plane.
(00:46):
The day it disappeared. I knew that two of the
Ham operators were dead, but I wasn't sure about the
other four. Then I started to hear from you, our listeners.
One person who emailed us was Anne Shepherd of Abington, Maryland,
and did some sleuthing and figured out that one of
the Hams, Ronald Crawford, was actually Donald Crawford. Newspapers misreported
(01:09):
his name in nineteen seventy two. Thanks to Anne, our
assistant producer Chris Brown was able to speak with Don's
son Bain, who clearly remembers the incident. He said his
father heard the alleged pilot say the plane was quote sliding.
After Anne Leeds continued to flow in, including one from Wyoming,
where a couple heard my call for help. They told
(01:31):
me they knew a man named Joe Tatum. He lived
in an assisted living facility. He might be the Joe Tatum,
one of the Hams who heard the mystery transmission. They
called him. Turns out he is the Joe Tatum, the
last person alive who heard the transmission that's find the plane.
(01:54):
Tatum is eighty three. He lives in Evanston, Wyoming. Can
you tell me what did you hear? I heard a
play a pilot and a plane more a help? And
what did he What did he say? Do you remember
what he said? He said he talks to me. HU
didn't through the miles south west a juno Alaska, and
(02:18):
I made I made a map and had everything backwards
because I did not know that there anything about Alaska.
I just picked it up on the radio and I
went from here. And did you actually speak with him
or did you just hear the transmission? Well or the
(02:41):
transmission but you didn't have a chance to directly speak
with him. No, I didn't die somewhere huddering through the
miles from Juno, Alaska in the air, and did he
say anything else that he did? He say the plane
was in distress. Yep, he said that he didn't see
(03:02):
the plane was distressed. He said he was talking to me.
I didn't brew the mouth southwest of Juno, and that
they went down and hit hit the rocks and he
had three casualties. And there they said the plane was slipping.
(03:23):
That's all I heard, and then we lost it. Do
you remember about how long you heard these transmissions for?
Was it a few minutes? Was it? Was it several
times over the course of an hour? It was so
probably about five minutes all total at the time hearing
(03:47):
him trying to talk to him and the plane going down,
So you heard him while he was in the air,
and then you say after he crossed he ever then
after he crashes, because we heard I heard him beIN
here first and he when he said he was probably
a hundred thirty miles southwest a Juno. And the next
(04:12):
the next thing I knew, he said the planet. Hey,
he had hit the rocks and he was uh, had
three casualties. And that's all we can tell you did
you get a name? No? He he said them, and
(04:34):
he had three he had uh passion drucon, he had
three casualties. And didn't you no name, no name or
nothing like that? All we all I heard was just
stress on the radio. Did you hear any tale number? Nope?
(04:55):
And so I found your name in an old newspaper article.
And as far as I could tell, um, there were
I think four to five other men who heard this transmission. Um,
do you mind if I passed their names by you
and you tell me if you remember any of them? Yeah,
go ahead, al Miller, if you find that plane? How
(05:16):
did that not? Absolutely? Sir? Yes, Um, al Miller, Uh,
I'm not Victor Parker, Roy Harris. See. Most of these
(05:37):
guys on the radio then was all under both pretense.
Hey give their r name, And we didn't know who
was who until we most of us men in that plane.
When you say under false pretense, you mean just because
people didn't have official licenses. Yes, Oh, I wasn't a
(06:02):
true hand operator. I had. I had a CB radio
strapped down to where I could talk to each about
anybody I want to do. So, when you picked up
this transmission, did you pick it up on a HAM
radio or on a CB radio. I picked it up
on my HAM receiver and most of them was heard
(06:26):
on the TB radio. Gotcha, se So just to be clear,
you you picked it up on on a HAM receiver though, yes, um,
And then so you know obviously know more about radio
than me. But you you picked it up on the
HAM and a CB radio or just on the ham
he I had it on. I had it on both.
(06:49):
And the thing about a dish. Uh, he must have
had channel line in his radio in that plane because
we had we heard and playing clearer mm hm and
so um, do you remember any other details about what
(07:09):
he said? I've slept shimping. And so you said that
you made a map? Was that just you pulled out
a map of Alaska and you and you were looking. Oh,
I didn't bu on the map of Alaska. I sat
down and dragged me a piece of paper, on a
piece of paper where he was proxiling Matt where he
(07:30):
was going, and I had it backwards because I didn't
know that Juno was on the lower end and not
down on the where he was at. I picked it
all back for Joash kind of dumbfounded over y I
(07:53):
feel a little stupid after I learn minute that that
Juno was way down here next door the United States,
and Alaska was up the end of the day was
further north. Yeah, John is pretty low and if you're right,
(08:14):
I think you know most people unless you look at
a map, but you think Alaska and what you think
of is the northern part, and Juno's, you know, all
the way further down. But um, so, so you know
you said that he mentioned being did you say a
hundred and twenty or a hundred and thirty miles southwest
of Juno? I heard him say, talxed me a hundred
(08:34):
and thirty just to be clear, yep, And um did
he give you an I'm sorry After I got up
there and and realized I was stupid that David was backwards,
I kind of realized that he he wasn't where I
(08:55):
thought he was because Joana mat back which they took
the little maps that drawed. The Air Force has got
it somewhere up there, and so the map that you drew.
Did he give you any other directions or indication other
than just saying he was a hundred and thirty miles
(09:16):
southwest of Juneo? No, he didn't have much time to
give us anything. What did his what did he what
did he sound like? What was his person? Did he
sound upset? Was he angry? He needed help? He needed
(09:37):
help because you could kill his voice and everything that
he was in trouble and we lost him. Do you
remember the last thing that you heard from him? I
think when he said that drew the mouth southwest of Junio, Alaska.
(10:00):
And so after you heard this transmission, who did you contact?
What happened afterward? He it rocks and the plane was slipping.
He had three castles, And did you call the police
or who did you contact? We called Camp b Or
(10:22):
I think it was they are based and they said
they had it all already, and the next morning they
had us meat at the air base and get on
a plane and light and what was that experience like this?
(10:48):
It was a plane ready I've never had. And they
they throwed the seats out of that big plane. They
throw it all the seats out of it, lightened it
up and made room for us to get in it.
It was a fue legit. So they used And you said,
the other men that flew up with you to Alaska,
did you know any of them? Or were they all
(11:09):
new to you. I thank Swamp Fox, I think was
one of them moved with us, and I knew. I
knew of him because I talked to him several times
and when I went out when I won't buy Channel
nine picked up. The last little part of what was
(11:32):
going on, Uh, swamp Fox is when I went to
first and I think Don Crawford, out of Mary Jane
was one of the boys. Mm hmye h and uh
(11:53):
Don this type of person. You better be right because
he don't want a much of bullshit. H he was,
he was, he was drawing the radio. He picked it
up from Channel nine and he hildered at me when
because I'd already went by Channel nine when I first
(12:15):
picked it up. And then I was trying to get
somebody done help me because you can only hear so
much in our radio. And the guy they did need help.
And I still think he's between Juno and get your
(12:40):
can or somewhere down in there. And so when you
went to Alaska, did they were they just asking you
a million questions? Or what was that process like? In Alaska?
We said for eighteen hours looking at pictures they had
taken already with the planes, seeing if we recognize anything. Wait,
(13:00):
they they had you look at pictures of of what
gives We just went in an office type room and
sit down and started looking and stuff. What were the
pictures of? Most of them are shot from the airplane
from the marriage Yet, yes, when there's locate somebody. So
(13:23):
they had you that you and the other Ham operators
looking over photos that they had taken to see if
you could spot the wreck. Yep, that seems kind of
seems kind of odd. Do you do you have any
idea why they would ask you guys to do that
in particular, Well, they're trying to get see if we
recognize anything that we might have seen from the air
(13:48):
and their postures and the thing about it is they
they took a lot of pictures and did find that
I think another plane they had been lost several before
upter in the ice. M hm. I don't know exactly
(14:08):
what that when there was the understood the did located
another plane, but it wasn't the one we were looking for.
And you mentioned you mentioned Don Crawford, who was the
first person that you mentioned. Uh, swamp Fox was his handle,
(14:29):
swamp Fox. Do you remember his name? Not all hand
I don't I slipsin? Do you buy any chance? Do
you have a diary or any records from nineteen seventy two? No,
I haven't died, had family problems and divorce and been
married everything else, and I I haven't. I've got a
(14:55):
radio upstairs and attitude my work of get death boot
out of it. And when when you heard this transmission?
Where in California? What city were you living in? I
was living in Due City, just out of Boreville, California.
(15:16):
I had an Antennada built and I talked all over
the world. Was it so? After they talked that, the
Air Force interviewed you guys. What the What Major Stalker,
who was leading the search command, said was that they
all believed the HAM operators that you guys were telling
(15:37):
the truth, but they thought that the transmission was likely
a hoax. What what do you think about that? Well,
they they tried telling me that they was hoax. It
wasn't right, But dang about it is. There was too
many of us heard it, and I wonder snow connected.
(16:02):
There was one old man that wi this. I think
he lived in Olive Hers or somewhere over there, and
he took an he swore him down that we wish
trying trying to pull a hoax, and then after he
heard what went on Nipture, he wanted to know more
(16:22):
about it too. I've still got I still got part
of that radio upstairs in the attic. I agree if
I could, if I could record it backwards, sure would
for you. So you still have part of the radio
(16:45):
receiver that you used when he received the transmission. I
talked from California to South Korea. I talked to uh
ships off the coast of uh Alaska. I talked to
ships and boats. Uh yeah, it was thank got for Korea.
(17:13):
That was Curio Korea. At U S. Pennuccio took a
ship years ago. They if it's a hoax, I want
to know who where? And Hawaiian because of what I
heard was somebody in stress warned out, huh. Well, the tower,
(17:39):
the radio tower that you built, do you remember how
tall it was or any details about it? That dantanna
you and the top of a cedar tree. Uh, probably
a hundred pitch foot in here. And I apologize to
ask this again, but when you first picked up the
plane trans us and that was via the hand receiver,
(18:03):
Uh yeah, it was only hand receiver. But it was
on channel nine, which is CB channel. Interesting, Okay, I
had a habit. In fact, a lot of C beers
had to have it everything. We decided to change channel.
You go by channel line and wait a few minutes.
(18:25):
See if there was anybody want to help, or maybe
somebody run out of gas, maybe some man of flat
I could I could pick that up on the radio.
I went. I went by channel nine. I think I
probably come off of twenty four or someone in them
our other channels. I went by a channel nine and
(18:47):
I heard this. He was he was in dressed, he
was hutting through the mouth southwest of Alaska, of Juneral
and he needed help. And I thought Junior was way
upon the other end Asamashka, and I was wrong. Have
(19:09):
you ever been interviewed by a journalist before about this? Nope,
So almost fifty years later, this is the very first
time you've ever been interviewed about this. I've got a
phone call here about a week ago. I want to
know if I was a joke Katman Davis talking about
and on radio. You know, one of the things since
(19:29):
we're airing the show is that we're asking people for help.
And I had one listener who helped me figure out
that it was Donald not Ronald, so Don Crawford and um.
And then another listener who found you, and which is
which is amazing because I've been looking for the longest
time to try to speak to anybody, and like I said,
(19:52):
you're you're You're the very last ham who's still alive.
So if you, if you, if you, if you got
a call all from Rancor. Yeah, the guy I worked for,
his son is the one that called me and wanted
to know if I was the one they was talking about.
(20:12):
Uh huh and uh told me, yeah, I didn't. I
was there Buka for that thing. I want to find
out if they valiant. Well what an experience. I'm really
happy that I found you. I I like I said,
you're the last one who is alive. And as far
(20:32):
as I could tell, nobody ever recorded an interview with
any of the others, and nobody recorded an interview with you,
So it's a little little piece of history. I'm glad
I had a chance to talk with you. Is is
there anything else that you remember or any questions that
you want to ask me? If you find out something
I want to know, Yes, sir, I will call you. Yeah,
(20:53):
I kind of shot maybe they found something. Well, I'm
looking for it. True. They kid told me wanting to
know if I was to warn from l ask you
they were looking for well cool, Okay, I appreciate it. Joe,
(21:14):
I know, I know whoo who was now? Thank you by.
You can reach us my phone at one eight three
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at i heeart media dot com. Ben Bowen is our
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is our assistant producer, Seth Nicholas Johnson is our producer.
(21:58):
Sam T. Garden is our research as assistant. And I'm
your host and executive producer, John Wallzac. You can find
me on Twitter at at John Wallzac. J O n
W A l c z A K special thanks to
Ann Shepherd and Joe Tatum. Thank you also to the
couple in Wyoming who connected me with Joe. They declined
(22:18):
to be named on The show Missing in Alaska is
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