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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Missing in Arizona contains graphic depictions of violence and may
not be suitable for all listeners. Summer twenty twenty three,
I'm in Phoenix when I get a text from a
law enforcement source.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I received some photos of a hideout about one to
two miles from where Fisher's dog was found. I'm sending
them to you. The GPS coordinates are with the photos.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
This kind of lead makes me salivate, an excuse to
leave the city, go to the mountains, hike in a forest,
and search for a mysterious shack. Yes please, I open
Google Maps, put in the coordinates, and soon we are
sixteen miles north of where Mary Fisher's forerunner was found.
Not as close as my source said, but still It's

(00:40):
better than boiling in a concrete metropolis with one point
seven million people during the hottest month in any American
city in history. Our producer Chris, and I drive ninety
miles north to paysin a mountain town of seventeen thousand.
I need caffeine and sugar, so we stop at my
favorite Arizona cafe, Common Grounds Coffee. I get an iced

(01:01):
coffee and one of the best cinnamon rolls I've ever
had passing paysin. We bump our way down dirt roads
until my phone tells me we're close to the cryptic
cabin about a mile away. Jittery with anticipation and from caffeine,
we park exit and hike into the woods. We're in
a Ponderosa pine forest, is partly cloudy and kaisobany's low eighties,

(01:23):
very breezy and pretty. We're probably ten eleven twelve miles
off any kind of paved road, and we're about to
hike a mile to the coordinates that we have for
this little shack or cabin that somebody found. There's all
this equipment and old stuff in there, so I mean,
what are the odds Robert Fisher was there? It's slow,
but who knows? If I find a pistol with the
right cereal number, some old winter green chewing tobacco tens,

(01:45):
maybe we'll pay more attention to it. I don't think
this will take as long as it seems. Famous last words,
well wait, tutorial on the bear spray. So Chris and
I went to Swarnego's story yesterday and bought Frontiersman Bear
attack deterrent. Bare attacks on humans are rare, but in
June twenty twenty three, right before our hike, a black
bear killed a man as he drank coffee near Prescott, Arizona,

(02:07):
dragging him seventy five feet down an embankment. And this
isn't even the first time we've had to worry about bears.
In season one, Missing in Alaska, while on a boat
off the coast of a remote island searching for a
missing plane, we spotted a brown bear on a nearby beach.
So yeah, I take bear seriously. Oh my god, Chris,
it's a bear. Just kidding. So we're kind of switched

(02:31):
backing down this very steep embankment what looks like a
dried out creek bed. It's getting thicker the woods, pine
needles everywhere. It's pretty cloudy. Now it's cool, it's breezy,
a little rock outcroppings.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Okay, what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
It's eleven fifty one am on a Tuesday, and we're
looking for some mysterious shock in the woods in Arizona.
From iHeartRadio and Neon thirty three. I'm John Walzac and
this is Missing in Arizona, the story of a man
who disappeared after allegedly killing his wife and kids, blowing

(03:05):
up their suburban home and escaping into the wilderness. Twenty
three years later, I'm hunting Robert Fisher and I need
your help. Robert Fisher is nowhere, everywhere, all at once.
There are so many leads and sightings of him. They
require their own episode. Some are intriguing, some are absurd.

(03:29):
I want to lay them all out and let you
decide what to make of them. So join me on
a tour of the world, from a bunker in Scottsdale
to a Walmart in Payson, Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Australia, even
a siting at FBI headquarters, until we find Fisher. He
is every lead. He is the wilderness cabin burglar, the

(03:49):
gold panning hermit, the mysterious man in the canyon. As
you listen, think of how exhausting this has been for
law enforcement. Thousands of leads, few investigators, strode in, fugitive,
alive and dead.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
The nosy neighbor.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
The nosy neighbor is the woman who heard Robert and
Mary fighting the night of April ninth, two thousand and one.
She didn't respond to my email's calls, text the letters,
and didn't answer the door when I showed up at
her house in episode three, I shared emails her son
sent me. I bleeped certain things and said I'd reveal
them later. This is the first reveal a fascinating new lead.

(04:28):
Here's what her son said. Day after the Fisher house
blew up, she saw him, Robert Fisher, driving his wife's
vehicle down Miller towards McDowell near the Fisher house.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
And turn east, which he never drove till that event.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Robert rarely drove Mary's Forerunner.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
And told the cops about him and where he was heading,
and was ignored.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
This is a bombshell claim. According to her son, the
nosy neighbors saw Robert Fisher in Scottsdale a day after
the murders. Unfortunately, I can't verify or to tunk it
without speaking to her, and she doesn't want to talk.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
The bunker.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
On the morning of April twelfth, two thousand and one,
two days after the house explodes, an employee of the Mesa,
Arizona Fire Department finds an anonymous, handwritten letter left overnight
between the locked doors of Station Number one.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Robert Fisher, where the three family died in the fire.
McDowell and Scottsdale Road. He has a trapdoor bomb shelter
under his house. He may be over under his house.
Look for three y three door under carpet.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Good luck, police find no sign of a bunker under
Fisher's house. Rye bar Let me introduce you now to
Brianna Whitney, the true Crime Queen of Arizona. Brianna is
a reporter for Arizona's Family, a group of three TV
stations in Phoenix, and host of the popular podcast True
Crime Arizona. In twenty twenty two, she made a documentary

(05:53):
called Finding Robert Fisher. Brianna is skilled and tireless. Unlike
so many people in this industry, each he does original research.
We meet in Phoenix and hit it off. In your
career covering crime in Arizona. Is there one case that
sticks out as the greatest unsolved case in state history?
Is it Robert Fisher?

Speaker 5 (06:12):
It's Robert Fisher. I can say that without a doubt.
It is Robert Fisher. It is probably the most well
known true crime case in Arizona. It just sticks with people.
And I think for that reason that for one thing,
people arizonans investigators, detectives, people involved. Nobody can agree on
whether they believe he's dead or alive right now, Yes,

(06:33):
no doubt, one hundred percent. This is the most notable,
most intriguing, high profile missing person case that Arizona has.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
So there are five leads that you investigated that I
just thought, well, Brianna did such a good job. I'm
not going to duplicate her work, thank you. Let's start
with the Rye bar lead, the infamous Rye bar lead.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
I didn't even know what Rye was when I started
this investigation, because you could drive down the highway and
you've already gone through it.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Ray is a tiny town of thirty one people, an
hour north of Scottsdale, just south of Payson. On April tenth,
two thousand and one, the day the Fisher House explodes,
a man and woman enter a bar in Rye around
six forty five pm. It's cold outside, nasty. The woman
appears upset. She goes to the bathroom. The man orders

(07:23):
a shot of Johnny Walker red whiskey. He pays cash
about five dollars plus a one dollar tip. When the
bartender realizes she forgot her cell phone in the bathroom,
she goes to get it and sees the man's companion
vomiting in a stall. The bartender snags her phone and
returns to the bar. Moments later, the man's companion exits
the bathroom. The man speaks to her briefly, then gets

(07:44):
her club soda. The woman takes a tiny sip, then
they leave. They're only in the bar for about ten minutes.
The man is thirty eight or thirty nine, the bartender says,
six feet tall, one hundred and ninety to two hundred pounds,
with crew cut hair, wearing a brown fedora style hat.
The woman is twenty eight or twenty nine five two,

(08:06):
one hundred and twenty five to one hundred and thirty pounds,
with brown eyes and long, straight black hair, in black
pants and a black jacket. When the bartender sees a
photo of Robert Fisher, she says, quote, that's the guy
I saw. This is perhaps the most famous of all
the Fisher case. Leads I don't buy it. The idea
that Fisher successfully pulls off a triple murder, sets his

(08:28):
home to explode, then just pops into a bar on
the way out of town in a fedora is frankly absurd. Also,
there's a part of this story that's never been reported.
It supports my opinion. I found it in a police file.
Around ten pm that night, three hours after the couple
leaves the bar, the woman shows up at a house
across the street, where a friend of the bartender lives.

(08:51):
The woman asks to use a phone to call her
brother in Payson. She says her boyfriend left her and
drove away instead of her brother. She calls the Kila
County sh Sheriff's office trying to get a ride home.
It's unclear what they tell her. The woman departs on
foot down a road carrying a blanket. The bartender's friend
describes her as thirty five five two to five four,

(09:13):
one hundred pounds, brown hair, brown eyes, in a black suit,
jacket and black pants. If you believe this lead, you
have to believe that a fedora wearing Robert Fisher left
his girlfriend and Rye and she later called the police
asking for a ride, but was never identified.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
The grocery stores.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
The problem with trying to find Robert Fisher is everyone
looks like Robert Fisher. He's generic, no crazy tattoos, no eyepatch,
a vanilla everyman. Right after the murders, a witness claims
to see Fisher at a Walmart in Paysin.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
I went to Walmart and went through about ten hours
of tape.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Kila County Detective Brian Hay.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
After doing that, found out that their clocks were screwed
up on their security cameras and that they hadn't place
a tape. So I watched all that for nothing.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Almost immediately another lead comes in. Scottsdale Police tell three
TV that there.

Speaker 7 (10:08):
Has been an unconfirmed sighting of Fisher reportedly seen at
this grocery store in.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Patient Bashes, an Arizona grocery chain. Hevey goes to Bashes
and watches security tapes. He sees a man who could
be Fisher. Interestingly, the man is with someone.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
But whatever videos I saw were so miserable that they
were basically useless.

Speaker 8 (10:31):
How detail so.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
Grainy that you couldn't make out any details whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
So I mean, you could have had Robert Fisher on
film and it's so low quality.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Or we could have had Deputy Rodney Kronk, who was
identified as Robert Fisher on multiple occasions driving his Dodge
truck or a County vehicle.

Speaker 8 (10:49):
It was almost a spot on match.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Really, Yeah, and he was with Healer County. Yeah, what
was that like for him? Well, we tease him quite
a bit about it. The only thing he lacked was
a gold tooth. Other he looked just like Robert Fisher.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
The tow truck driver.

Speaker 9 (11:05):
I got information that a tow truck driver possibly pulled
Fisher out of a ditch.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Scottsdale Detective TJ. Duran.

Speaker 9 (11:13):
The reason why he believed it was Fisher because it's
the same truck that we eventually found, and he had
a dog with him, So we believed that he was
up on a rim area, probably driving around trying to
stay out of sight.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Do you remember specifically where that was.

Speaker 9 (11:28):
I believe it was up near Blue Ridge Reservoir, which
is directly north of Payson.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
In twenty sixteen, the Arizona Republic says this lead is
quote the last known confirmed sighting of Fisher. That's not true.
It's never been confirmed. All we know is that a
tow truck driver claims he pulled a man matching Fisher's
description with a dog matching blue in an suv matching
Mary's out of a ditch. What makes you think that
lead in particular is a reliable lead? Since it came

(11:56):
after all the publicity and the driver didn't speak up beforehand.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
I don't know if he just saw it at the
time and was like whatever, But I mean he described
Robert the dog the fore Runner.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Former FBI agent Bob Caldwell.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I mean, he didn't do a toe slip, so he
didn't take notes and write down the vehicle and all
he did was give him cash or thanking him for
pulling him out.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
The tow truck driver claims this happened a few days
after the murders, but he doesn't report it until after
the fore Runner is located a week later.

Speaker 10 (12:25):
It is a long ways of ways from where Young
and the car was found to where he was pulled.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Out Scott Stale Lieutenant Hugh Lockerby, I.

Speaker 10 (12:32):
Can't discount it. He was documented early on in the
investigation by you know, we had a deputy sheriff by
the name of Gil Marino follow up on it for TJ.
And that was documented in the report and the guy
described a silver fore Runner at the dog in it
and the guy said he's from the valley. Well, what
doesn't make sense is when you look at what he
told the sheriff deputy and then TJ. And TJ's report

(12:54):
was after he pulled them out, comes out to eighty seven.
The tow truck driver goes left, which would be back
south on eighty seven, and the four un remixser right
and goes north on eighty seven. Well, that's in the
mountain areas up there. You don't get too young by
just getting out a separate road. You'd have to take
like I don't even know how you get there through
forest roads. So if you take a right, you have

(13:16):
to go all the way up to the forty to
Winslow or Holebrook or whatever, and then come all the
way back down the backside of the Mogian rint Tuesday.
It would be so far around it take you hours
and hours. Or you would have to have gone right
like he did, like he described, and then after a
little bit time you turn and come back down south
because that's the quickest route. It just doesn't make any

(13:38):
sense or why he went all the way up there
and gets pulled out. Did he get like he doesn't
want to get exposed?

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Now?

Speaker 10 (13:43):
Did that really even happen?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I don't think it did. Neither does HeLa County detective
buying Haby.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
I've been to Blue Ridge hundreds of times. There's so
many people in and out of Blue Ridge Reservoir Road
that I suspect it if Robert was stuck in a
ditch there or somebody else would have pulled him out
of that.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Day inside of a touch talk. Yeah, toe trucks are
not going to go there without a call.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
They're not just going to be driving around. Did he
tell you anything that wasn't public the tow truck driver.

Speaker 8 (14:10):
I don't think so.

Speaker 11 (14:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
I'd love to speak to the driver to gauge his trustworthiness,
but unfortunately guys dead. August twenty twenty three. Okay, so

(14:45):
just to give you an idea, we're kind of on
the side of a very steep embankment that goes down
maybe what do you think that is? Like five hundred
feet very slippery slope, very steep, lots of fallen trees,
burn trees, rocks everywhere, very slippery. We have boots and
not very safe hiking to the mystery cabin. We realized
the terrain is much more severe than it appears on

(15:06):
topo maps. This is at least a forty five degree anglia.
I think more. Start to feel it on my old
decrepit op it goes in rock. It's also getting darker
and cloudier. It almost feels like a good storm. This
area has a colorful history. In nineteen twenty seven, a
plane carrying a lion crashed in a canyon twenty miles

(15:26):
south of here. Yes, a lion, specifically Leo the Lion,
the famous MGM mascot.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
There's still parts of the plane out.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
There, HeLa County detective Brian Havy.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
Anybody that's been in this area as long as I
have have been to the side of the crash, let's
left parts of the air plane that they never hauled
out of there. I had a piece of a rear
tail rudder for years and years and finally had disappeared
or I gave it to somebody.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Both Leo and the pilot survived. The pilot hiked out
to get help. A week later, a group from pace
and made it to the wrecked plane. Leo was still
in his cage. They fed him a slaughtered calf. Do
you remember from the topo map there's this and then

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over there it goes into a longer canyon, and I
think it's like right where this hits that longer canyon.
So I do think if we just cut kind of
diagonal down. I think we should let me just put
my phone away and let's just cut down.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
And then we're so close the baby blue truck.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Around five pm on April nineteenth, two thousand and one,
a tipster calls the police saying Robert Fisher is driving
a baby blue Ford truck south towards Payson. Officers speed
north but can't find it. They get a report that
it exited onto a side road. An hour later, they
call off the search. By chance, this is almost the
exact moment that Greg the camper finds Mary's SUV in

(16:53):
the woods, forty miles east of Payson. This lead was
first reported by the Payson round up the Hitchhike. Four
days later, after a hectic weekend in the wilderness, Detective T. J.
Jurand returns to his desk in Scottsdale.

Speaker 9 (17:06):
When I came into work, I got a call and
a woman and her husband. It was either two days
or the day before we found that truck. They're driving
south on Young Road from two sixty A top the rint.
You go south on this forest road and that's your
Young Road, and you start heading south towards Young. She
says her and her husband were driving down the road

(17:28):
and a guy is walking. Now she's in the passenger seat,
so the guy's on the outside.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Of the road.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
As they're driving down the road, this guy walks by
him and you can't drive fast on that road because
you'll slide everywhere. And her and her husband said, that's
Robert Fisher. And I believe they saw him. I think
he walked out of there.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Did they say one that.

Speaker 9 (17:49):
Was I can't remember if they told me it was
two days before, five days before. But when they saw
the news and saw that the truck had been found, now,
of course I was upset, thinking, why didn't you call
us that day? Now that happens in everything you know,
they might not have thought it was him.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
Was it him?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
How do you filter out people though that are just
looking for attention?

Speaker 9 (18:11):
Just by talking to her on the phone, and I
knew she was telling the truth. It was instinct. I
could hear it in the inflection in her voice.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Wouldn't Fisher have tried to stay off the road to
the side, I mean, he got away to that point.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that
he would be just strolling on the side of the road.
After the crimes, knowing people are probably looking for him, right.

Speaker 9 (18:31):
Right, But you're up north, you're in the country. You're
thinking that most people you see up there on the
Rim area camping, how long they been camping? Had they
even seen the news, had they even read a newspaper?
So he still has some time.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I respect Detective Duran, but we disagree on this lead.
I'm very skeptical of it.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
The pawn shop.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
April twenty fifth, twelve twenty five PM. A man who
looks like Robert Fisher enters a Phoenix pawn shop wearing
green camo pants, a strike shirt, and military style boots
that are scuffed but not muddy. He's scruffy and unshaven
and appears to have been sleeping in his clothes. He
browses the gun section, says nothing, then exits quickly after

(19:12):
seeing a sign requiring photo ID. He drives east in
a Toyota pickup truck plate two nine five FLb. The
manager is eighty to ninety percent sure the guy was Fisher. Unfortunately,
the shop security camera was off. Police check the bar
next door. They find footage of the truck, but the
angle is bad. They can't see the driver.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
The old Ford.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Two days later, a friend of the Fisher sees a
Robert lookalike driving an older Ford pickup truck in Scottsdale.
She tells her husband, who calls the cops. I speak
to him by phone. He doesn't want his name used.
He and his wife knew the Fishers for sixteen years.
They lived in the same apartment complex in Phoenix in
the eighties. The wife gets a partial plate for sh

(19:57):
Police find one hundred and seventy nine possible, none of
the names ring a bell.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Malicious Gap.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
On April twenty ninth, two people turkey hunting near Malicious
Gap in the Tonto National Forest are sitting in camp
taking a break reading when a man calls out from
the woods. He emerges, bearded and dirty and tattered and
torn camo clothes, carrying a sawed off shotgun. He asks
for directions to Malicious Gap, where he claims he's meeting

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his brother. When he hears an ATV approaching, he gets nervous,
says goodbye, and runs into the woods. The next day,
the couple returns home to Montana. They don't report the
sighting until July ninth, when police ask why they think
it was Fisher. They say they saw a photo of
him and quote knew it was the same man.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Oak Flat.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
On May first, someone sees a Fisher look alike at
the Oak Flat campground near Superior, Arizona. That's it, That's all.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
I have on that one the pyramids.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
On May second, a woman named Joyce Wilson calls the
Scottsdale Police Department. Three years earlier, she says she and
her husband were hiking in the Superstition Mountains forty miles
east of Phoenix when they came across a remote campsite
and a man who looked just like Robert Fisher. A
year later, Joyce saw the man again in the distance.
By the time she reached his campsite, he was gone. Instead,

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she found piles of rocks in the shape of pyramids
all over the campsite. She saw bones and a fire pit.
She took photos. Keep in mind this was before the murders,
but Joyce believes the man was Fisher. She gives police
directions to the campsite so they can search it. It's
unclear if they do.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Tortilla Flat.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
May third, the Arizona Republic headline false Fisher sightings tips
surge across state quote Robert Fisher has become Arizona's version
of Elvis, Spotted inconvenience stores and campgrounds all over the state.
Someone sees him checking into a motel with bloody arms.
Someone sees him building a rock wall on a remote road,

(22:00):
sees him at a fortified campsite near Tortilla Flat, thirty
miles east of Phoenix. That afternoon, Detective Durin flies over
the area. No campsite, no fissure. In the next two decades,
police are flooded with ten to twenty thousand leads. Only
ten to twenty point one percent are deemed promising.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
June seventh, two thousand and three.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Around six fifty am, a man with a shaved head
and sunglasses drives by Fisher's old house in a white
extended cab pickup with temporary paper plates. A neighbor panics.
She calls nine to one one Police investigate the lead.
They don't think it's Fisher, probably a guy cruising around
looking for a used car for sale, they say. Canada,

(22:45):
February two thousand and four.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
Thousands of tips have come in over the years, and
yesterday cops in White Rock, Canada, thought they may have
nabbed the phantom fugitive at this home in British Columbia, Canada.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Tip is Huge.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Whitney, the host of True Crime Arizona.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Investigator's got a tip that there was somebody that looked
like Robert Fisher living in white Rock, Canada.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
White Rock, British Columbia, is a small city a mile
and a half north of the US border. Here's what happens.
A teenage boy with divorced parents thinks his mom's new
boyfriend is strange. He and his dad start googling fugitives.
They come across an image of Robert Fisher. He kind
of looks like the mom's new boyfriend. So the boy
and his dad call Canadian police and.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
They went in guns of blazing to this house, to
the point where they showed up like a swat team
with guns everything. And if you think it's Robert Fisher,
then yeah, you're dealing with probably one of the most
dangerous fugitives in the world. So you go in with
all precautions. They took this man into custody. And what's
interesting about this man is that he had a lot
of characteristics that match Robert. When you look at Robert

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from the outside. He looks like the everyday man. There
isn't anything that's super identifiable that you could say, yeah
for share him. But there are a couple of things
you don't really see that do match up. One of
those is he was missing a tooth where he had
I think had a crown. This guy in Canada had
the same tooth missing. Robert had also undergone back surgery,

(24:13):
so he had a backscar. This man also had a backscar.
So those are things that are kind of odd to
match up if you're not talking about the same person.
So they bring this man into the police station, and
this is where it gets kind of strange. Robert Fisher's
longtime next door neighbor was living in Washington at the time.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
She's talking about the son of the nosy neighbor, the
man who told me that his mom saw Robert in
Scottsdale the day after the murders, the odd son. By
two thousand and four, he's living in Seattle.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
They end up agreeing that they're going to bring this
long time neighbor up to the police station and act
like they're putting him through the custody protocols. And in
the singing room is an everybody else who's being taken
into custody, which would include this man that could or
could not be Robert Fisher. And so I talked to
the neighbor several times on the phone. He told me
that when he got into the room, the man kind

(25:03):
of did it like a survey of the room, you know,
if you're looking at your new surroundings, and said that
when the two of them locked eyes, that the man
looked stunned. And the neighbor says, he is one hundred
percent sure that's Robert Fisher. And he didn't live next
to Robert for just a year. He lived next to
him for like ten years, like it was a long
time neighbor. So the neighbor told him, yeah, this is

(25:24):
definitely Robert. But they took that man's fingerprints and not
only did it not match Robert, but it matched some
other person's identity, meaning there was no way that this
could be Robert.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Do you buy a chance to have a photo.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Actually have a whole Robert Fisher album on my phone
for you of everything that I took. So this is
the man wow from Canada, huh, which I can see
it for sure. However, I think the Mexico tip looks
more similar.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
We'll get to that in a minute.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
So this is the front, here's the back scar, wow,
which you know is interesting. And here's the missing too.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I definitely see he has a resemblance to him, for sure.
Sergio and I, Brianna's cameraman.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Thought that this looked like he could be Robert Fisher's brother.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I see that. I see aspects of his face in
this man, and when you combine that with the missing
tooth and the backscar, I see it. But he's not
somebody I see immediately having looked at every single photo
Robert Fisher, and I think that's Robert Fisher.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Agreed, that's why I feel. But when I was interviewing John.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Heinzelman, the current detective.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
He was like, you know, this is something where you
can't look at him and say yes, it's for sure him,
or yes it's for sure not, and so you have
to go through everything to fully identify whether it is
or is it.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
There is an uncanny resemblance concerning the two individuals. But
today disappointed Scott's Dell cop saying despite a strong physical resemblance,
fingerprint test show that the man colored in Canada unfortunately
is not their guy.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
People of course are asking you, well, could he have
changed his fingerprints? Can you talk about that?

Speaker 5 (27:01):
So fingerprinting is obviously a big part of forensics, and
each individual person has their own set of unique fingerprints.
You and I we don't have the same fingerprints as
any other person in the world. And they still look
at fingerprints almost like a tree trunk. So you know,
when you're looking at tree trunks, you're counting how all
the tree is by the rings in the stump or
the trunk. That's similar to fingerprints. You're looking at whirls

(27:23):
and arches and unique imprints that they give. So the
only way you can change your finger tips or prints
is to obliterate them or burn them off so that
if your finger is pushed down it doesn't create an
actual print. That's hard to do, or it'd have to
cut your fingers off. There is no other way to

(27:45):
alter your fingerprints. And with the Canada tip, it's not
like that person didn't have a fingerprint. His unique fingerprint
matched the identity of somebody else, So that's how you
know for sure that it wasn't Robert Fisher.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
If you like this show, please download our first two seasons,
Missing in Alaska and Missing on nine to eleven. For updates,
visit meon thirty three dot com or follow me on
Twitter at John waalzac Jo n Wa l Czak. Thanks
for listening. So moving on to the Mexico lead.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Mexico lead, that one was just like, oh crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Tell me about that.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
So, because I had started this investigation when I first
started Your Prime Arizona, I had made contact with the
detectives in it, t J. Duran, Hu Lockerby, John Ainsman,
and I really respect all the work that all three
of them do, so they would give me a little
bit more information than maybe was out there. And when
I knew I was doing a documentary, I told him
I wanted to go down certain leads, and I knew

(29:05):
about the Canada one, that one was pretty well reported,
but the Mexico tip was not. And they told me, well,
there was this crazy Mexico tip with these pictures, Like
what Mexico tip? What pictures? And when I interviewed Hugh Lockerby,
he brought the pictures with him. So there was this
man that was in a small Mexican town a little
south of the border because it was on a Gulf

(29:27):
town and this man had taken some pictures with tourists
who were there visiting mom and daughter, maybe some other people.
And because this wasn't too long after the Fisher family
home explosion, his picture was everywhere. And so when this
mom and daughter got home from their vacation, they were
looking through their pictures and they saw they had taken

(29:47):
pictures of this man. And then it's like something clicked
and they said, oh my gosh, this looks like Robert Fisher.
Maybe we should report this to the FBI, and they
did so, Scottsdale Police FBI. They end up going down
there finding this man and who I think worked in
the area, all of that interviewed him and deemed that
it was not Robert Fisher, that it was somebody who

(30:07):
worked in the area. He did not match the prince
and everything else. But these pictures are wild to the
point that when investigators got the lead, they said, we
need to get there right now. This is concerning because
this is possibly truly Robert Fisher.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Didn't Fisher's family say the same thing about the photos.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Yeah, So Robert Fisher's sister hadn't seen the pictures before
we did our documentary and they were new, they hadn't
been out there before. And she told me that when
she saw the pictures, her heart stopped. She really thought
that could have been her brother. And when we're talking
family too, I mean, yeah, you're looking at these and
the people closest to Robert thought this could have been him.

(30:47):
That's a very credible tip. But obviously it wasn't. But yeah,
to hear that his own sister, who saw those pictures
for the first time, thought wow, this really could be
my brother is pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Can we look at those photos?

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yeah, this is the mom and daughter, so we have
this guy. They're a little blurry, but some of them
look better than others. Here's this one.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
I thought this was the best one.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
The mouth is similar, the face is similar. I definitely
see the resemblance.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
One percent.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Can you talk about the bodego tip.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
Yeah, somebody had called in and said that they were
taking pictures of themselves at a bodega.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
In Guatemala in two thousand and nine, just taking.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
A normal picture outside of bodega, and this man's captured
in the background. And these people told investigators that when
he saw himself in the background, he came up and said,
get me out of this. I don't want to be
in the your background. I don't want to be in
your picture, which put these people on high alert, like, okay,
no worries. We were just taking our own picture. We
were trying to take a picture of anybody. So they
found that very suspective when they got back. They also

(31:46):
reported their pictures to the FBI. And so he's kind
of in the background, this man and a couple of
them looks kind of nondescript. That's a thing with that tip,
We don't know. Could that have been Robert Fisher? Yeah,
I could have, but there was never any confirmation. They
never could find the person that was in the picture.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
So when you did this, you got a bunch of leads.
One of the leads that you got was about a
man who came out of the woods and attacked someone.
Can you tell me about that lead and your process
and investigating it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
I was in the middle of recording of podcasts for
a completely different story. So this is a long time
homicide detective in the valley who's very experienced on very
high profile cases, and I just mentioned to him that
we were doing the Robert Fisher investigation, and he said, oh,
my gosh, I have a tip. Said what he said, Yeah,
so I used to own this house up in Sholo.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Forty miles east of where police found Mary's forerunner.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
And this man that used to live there was attacked
by a man that came out of the woods asking
for money and food. And it was right around the
time that Fisher disappeared. And I don't think they ever
caught that person. And immediately my journalism senses are like wow,
because especially with a case like this, you get so
many tips that it's easy to say, oh, this is

(32:56):
just not credible, or oh, there's nothing to that. But
this is coming from somebody who investigations like this and
had for a long time. So I'm thinking, wow, I've
got to track this down. This is a crazy tip.
So I tracked down the house. Then I went back
looked at like the county assessor's website to figure out
who owned it. Figured that part out he had since died,
but it was easy to go back and find old information.

(33:18):
So once I had his name, I figured, Okay, now
I'm trying to figure out if there's a police report
who took it. I believe it ended up being the
Navajo County Sheriff's office, and I put in a Freedom
of Information Act request which is known as a FOYA,
to get the police report from that day. I got
it back and it described this entire interaction. This guy
comes out of the woods. He's asking the homeowner for money.

(33:40):
The homeowner says he'll allow him to work around the
house or work on his property for money. The guy
says no and then ends up hitting him, and there's
an assault that goes down, and then before officers can
get there, the man is gone. They never found him.
And that's what the report says, which is very Robert Fisher.
And then it goes on to say the man's tall,

(34:00):
slender that also could be Robert Fisher. It did say
he was likely in his twenties, which would not have
fit Robert, but you never really know what those things.
There was quite a bit that did fit it. Where
we were able to rule this tip out completely was
the date this happened, I believe, eight months before the
Fisher family home exploded. And that's how we were able

(34:22):
to say, okay, no, this was not Robert. He had
not disappeared at that point, and the detective just got
the months off just a little bit, so we know
that that's not Robert Finland.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
My mom called me Britney Fisher's teacher, Ms Honey.

Speaker 12 (34:36):
And she says, so they think they found Robert Fisher
in Finland, and it was her Finish sources that thought
that they had found it. It wasn't necessarily the FBI.
It was rumor and mail going around in Finland, specifically Helsinki.
And then my mom said, yeah, he would blend in
there perfectly, but then he would have to learn Finish,
so then he would stand out. So then we thought
probably not, but who knows.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Australia in late two thousand and one or early two
thousand and two, a doctor who knew Fisher is on
vacation in Australia when he sees a man who looks
just like, yes, you guessed it Fisher. I contact the
doctor but he never responds. Instead, I speak to a
colleague who worked with both men. He requests ananimity.

Speaker 13 (35:14):
Because we all believe that he's still alive, and if
he was capable of doing this to his family and
he was truly trying to hide, and if he was
starting to be pinned down or something like that, would
he retaliated the people that gave inside information to how
he could be found.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
There was that feary us.

Speaker 8 (35:35):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
We meet at a donut shop, which by chance started renovations. Today,
of all days, it's loud cacaffeinists. We're at a tiny
table in the corner as workers hammer and saw behind us.
I expect to be buzzed at a cafe, but not
like this. However, I don't want to scare off the source.
And the donuts in Vietnamese iced coffee are great. Shout

(35:58):
out to Bosa Donuts. So we proceed with the interview.

Speaker 13 (36:01):
What did he say he saw in Australia, Him and
his wife and I think his kids. They were on
vacation in Australia and they were in an open area.
It was like an open marketplace, walkways and stuff like that,
and he said, I saw this guy. We had eye contact.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
He goes, I know it was Robert Fisher.

Speaker 13 (36:19):
He goes, I immediately grabbed my family and we took
off and we went in a building and called the police,
and the police showed up.

Speaker 8 (36:26):
They explained the situation.

Speaker 13 (36:27):
The police actually contacted the FBI. The FBI helped the
Australian police kind of put them in hiding, moved them
out of their hotel room, put them in a different
hotel room in hiding, and then they were down there
and found the person and it was not him.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Oof, probably the worst audio of any interview I have
ever done. I'm sorry anyway, to make a long story short,
the man in Australia was not Fisher.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
The medical magazine there.

Speaker 13 (36:58):
Was publication, a medical publication that I saw that they
had taken a picture of a healthcare worker in a
hospital in Canada, and that picture looked exactly like Robert Fisher.
And I contacted the FBI about that, and they went
up there and they found that person, interviewed him, determined
he was not Robert Fisher.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
The sheepherder's cabin.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Before the murders, this coworker told Robert about a secret
spot in northern Arizona.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
There was like an old sheepherders cabin there.

Speaker 8 (37:29):
Can you tell me about that cabin?

Speaker 13 (37:30):
Was it abandoned, Yes, it had been abandoned for probably
thirty forty years.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
It was very.

Speaker 13 (37:37):
Small, probably smaller than this little section that we're in. Yeah,
very very tiny, but it was It was about ten
fifteen miles north.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Of Williams forty five miles south of the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 13 (37:49):
Today, you can't even get there. It's all cordoned off
and private land and stuff like that. So but back
then it was very I wouldn't say easy to get to.
You had to kind of know where it was to
get there, and a lot of people typically didn't go
there unless it was like hunting season.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
People would you would see.

Speaker 13 (38:06):
More people at that time of year. But this happened
in the spring, and hunting season in Arizona's mostly in
the fall.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
So you've told the police about this span, Yeah, do
you know if they want to go to truck?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, and they they didn't find anything there, the canyon man.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
A few weeks after Fisher vanishes, Scottsdale Detective TJ. Juran
gets a call from a sheriff's deputy in Coconino County,
north of Phoenix.

Speaker 9 (38:30):
And he said, Hey, I had an interesting incident occurred.
They were doing a search and rescue in a canyon.
So where Robert Fisher's truck was found. If you walk
up Young Road to two sixty year now on.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Top of the rim, the muggy on rem.

Speaker 9 (38:46):
Just west of that is a lake called Willow Springs Lake.
Behind that lake, it's damned. Behind that dam is a canyon.
At first, it starts out to be a small canyon,
then it grows, and I've piked it a couple of time.
They had a search and rescue and there were two
incidents where they were on a cliff doing a rescue

(39:08):
and he looked out over the canyon and he saw
a man.

Speaker 8 (39:12):
Now wasn't Robert Fisher.

Speaker 9 (39:13):
Who knows, but he resembled them, And once he saw
the search and rescues, he turned around and beat feet.
Another incident occurred where in that canyon you can fish
the stream there, and supposedly.

Speaker 8 (39:27):
A guy was down there.

Speaker 9 (39:29):
I don't know if he was fishing or hunting, and
some guy approached him and got mad at him that
he was in his area. So the guy got kind
of creeped out and left. And then, of course, when
somebody mentioned Robert Fisher and showed him a picture, he says,
that looks like the guy that confronted me. Could it
be possible he was up there for a little while
before he left the area. Sure, it's possible, but I

(39:52):
do not believe that he's living out in the country
as a grizzly Adams. I'm just not buying it.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
The gold panning hermit.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
There was a guy, a hermit living up outside of Prescott.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Former FBI agent Bob Caldwell.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
And he was panning for gold and they said he
looked like Fisher. As soon as I got the call,
I called some law enforcement up there that I know.
They actually went out found the guy. He's living in
a little lean to tent panning for gold.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
It wasn't Robert the Fossil Creek burdler.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
For many years police keep an eye on car and
cabin break ins in the Arizona Wilderness. We had one
guy that was doing burglaries once again. HeLa County Detective
Brian Hay at.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
The Fossil Creek Trail had a camp up there, hidden in.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
The woods, eighteen miles northwest of Payson, and.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
It took us almost six months to find his little
man cave out in the woods.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
This was sometime in the early two thousands.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
He had firearms and weapons and dan goods and stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
They catched the burglar. It's not Robert.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Fisher, the Utah mountain Man.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
From twenty seven to thirteen, A mysterious man breaks into
dozens of cabins in the Utah Mountains. By winter, he
steals supplies, defaces religious icons, and leaves little notes that,
depending on his mood, are either menacing or polite. By summer,
as hikers flood in, he hides in the woods with guns, radios, batteries,

(41:20):
and dehydrated food. The longer he evades authorities, the more
his legend grows. He morphs into a folk hero. In
twenty twelve, he's caught on camera in Camo toating a
rifle and shuffling around in purple snowshoes. He kind of
looks like Robert Fisher. The FBI considers the possibility that
he might be Fisher, but in twenty thirteen police catch him.

(41:44):
His name is Troy James Knapp. My sources here were
Outside magazine and the Associated Press.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
The Buddhist compound.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Investigating this case. I repeatedly hear rumors linking Robert Fisher
to a remote Buddhist compound. Specif that residence of the
compound saw Fisher a week before the murders, not far
from where police find Mary's suv, maybe stashing supplies or
scoping out an escape route. Or that the Buddhist helped
fisher flee, which is laughable. I picture robes of monks

(42:15):
running through the woods with a gun toting conservative fugitive.
It's absurd but intriguing, and I have to exhaust every
lead before every lead exhausts me. So I search and
search for months, no luck. Then I find Woody kleinb
Thank you for playing Where in the world is Carmen
San Diego with?

Speaker 9 (42:35):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Woody is a lifelong resident of HeLa County and a
member of the Board of Supervisors.

Speaker 11 (42:41):
Well, Heila County goes from about twenty eight hundred feet
to over seven thousand feet pushing eight thousand feet, so
you've got all the lower desert type country right up
into the pines, so you got grasslands in between, and
literally you can change climates in about two hours in
Ina County. Is cool, but a lot of people do
have that perspective that we're all desert. We're not. You know,

(43:04):
winter times, we'll get snow down to the thirty five
hundred four thousand foot mark, which puts snow on the
sorrels in the desert. Even on the higher elevations. It's
not uncommon to have two or three feet of snow.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
What he is, and I say this sincerely, thank God,
familiar with the Buddhist compound. In fact, he now owns
part of it.

Speaker 11 (43:23):
I bought the cattle part of it. They had one
hundred and fifty acres right there, and I had the cattle,
and I had a camp and crailes right there next
to them. So I was going through there quite a
bit and talking to him and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
You know the name of the ranch, by chance, it's
the ellen Wood Ranch at ellen Wood.

Speaker 11 (43:40):
Yeah Ell INWD.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
The Ellenwood Ranch is fourteen miles west as the crow
flies of where police find Mary's fore runner. It appears
to have been owned in two thousand and one by
a Brooklyn born woman whose followers believe she's a reincarnated
seventeenth century saint who lived in a cave in the
mid two thousands. What he takes three members of law
enforcement to the compound to ask about Robert Fisher.

Speaker 11 (44:07):
We honestly didn't spend more than about fifteen minutes in
there with those folks.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
I went to the Buddhist calling, I talked to those
people there.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Former FBI agent Bob Caldwell.

Speaker 8 (44:16):
He wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
They never had contact with him at all. He's not
the kind of person they would allow him there.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Anyway.

Speaker 8 (44:22):
I went over there as well.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Kila County Detective Brian Haby. So you went and investigated
o lead.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
What do you remember that virtually every male subject that
was at the Buddhist camp fit Robert Fisher's description by
their haircut, skin color, so on and so forth. So
it could have been easily a mistaken identity, but they
had seen nobody, and anybody that walks into the Buddhist
camp is recognized and talked to, and so had he

(44:50):
been there, they would have definitely known about it.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Colorado.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
On October eleventh, twenty fourteen, police in Commerce City, Colorado,
northeast of get a tip that Fisher is hiding in
a local townhouse. When they respond, two men flee. One
appears to reach for a weapon, so an officer shoots
at him and missus. Police catch and fingerprint the men.
Neither is Fisher. This lead was first reported by the
Arizona Republic. The traffic stop sometime in the late twenty tens,

(45:20):
we had.

Speaker 14 (45:21):
A traffic stop out in the West Valley.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Scott Stale, Detective John Heinzelmann.

Speaker 14 (45:25):
By a Miracle County Sheriff's deputy where he made a
traffic stop and he said, oh, this is him, and
we rallied. I remember coming to this building from home, like,
get in here right now. They've got him all to
turn around to say, okay, it's not.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
The FBI encounter.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
While in Arizona, I interview a Fisher family friend who
requests anonymity. A few years ago, while touring FBI headquarters
in DC, she turned a corner and ran into Robert
Fisher quote and I literally screamed. I mean, it was like, ah,
and my husband and goes, look, we're at the FBI museum.
You didn't think he'd be here, And I go, this

(46:04):
is ridiculous. It was like a full size poster of him.
It just freaked me out. Okay, yes that was a
red herring. I'm sorry. It was just too good to
pass up. She wasn't traumatized. I promise we laughed about
it together. This story is so deeply sad. It's an
active defiance to make space for levity. Speaking of the FBI,

(46:24):
I get why they removed Fisher from the ten most
Wanted list, but I hope they put him back on it.
In the meantime, special Agent Taylor Hannah and Scott Still
Detective John Heinzelman. The current investigators are busy. They get
leads almost every week, me and John.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Topically you vet them together. Sometimes they come via FBI,
sometimes they come through Scott Stilpadi.

Speaker 14 (46:45):
Unfortunately, there's really no good formula to vet tips that
come in, and it's anywhere from on the one side
to say, I'm a psychic in Boise, Idaho, and I
had this vision that I saw him, or all the
way up to he's this guy. I think one that
I had was he's a pastor in a small church
in Wisconsin, and here's his name, and here he is.

(47:05):
So those are kind of things that I'll talk to
folks about. What's an actionable lead or what's something that
I can follow up on a homeless guy in the
streets of Los Angeles. There's not much that we can
really go out and do. But if it's he's living
under this name and he's in this community, then we
have something that we can work up and determine. Okay,
is this person is he just look like him or

(47:26):
is it something that we need to go with it
even further.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Let's say Robert Fisher is alive. Can you imagine interviewing him?

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Oh my gosh, that would be my number one interview
I could ever ask for.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Once more, Brianna Whitney, the host of True Crime Arizona.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
I have so many questions. Obviously mean everybody else, but no,
I can't imagine. And honestly, I am quite sure that
if he was found alive, he wouldn't say a word.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I think the same thing. I feel like if they
somehow found him, he would say nothing. He would wait
for an attorney, there would be a trial, and he
would not be one of these guys that would speak.
I think he would sit there in silence with a
smirk on his face.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
That's what I think too. I think he's way too
conceded to give away any sort of how he's been
living or what happened.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Well, and you know, one of the things I asked
people is how intelligent he was, And everybody has told
me the same thing, which is like he was kind
of smart, like not Einstein, not super high Q. But
if Robert Fisher pulled this off and is alive, this
was one of the greatest escapes in the history of
American crime, and that a degree of intelligence.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
I was going to say, yeah, if he pulled us
off and he's still alive, then he's smarter than everybody thinks.
You can't be mediocre and pulled this off.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Summer twenty twenty three, Chris and I are still hiking
to the cryptic cabin, the hideaway shack, a tipster told
us about sixteen miles north of where police found Mary's forerunner.
But I don't think this is safe. I think we
should turn around. Well, that's unfortunate. That's better than what
breaking your leg and tumbling down five hundred feet Again

(48:56):
for everybody listening at home, Yeah, we have no cell service.
It's just me and Chris. We're in hiking boots. But
we're on the side of this very steep hill more
than forty five degree angle, probably fifty or sixty degrees.
You're one slippery rock away from tumbling down five hundred
six hundred feet. It's spraining your ankle or breaking your leg.

(49:17):
There's no clear path for us to get to these coordinates.
I mean, I think it would take us safely probably
another few hours, and we're not even that far. As
the crow flies it's also getting darker. It looks like
it a thunderstorm, and we've still got a hike a
mile and a half. We should go, Can you lead
us out? We tried so we don't make it to

(49:38):
the cabin, but I review photos of it. It's petite
and made of logs. To get in, you crouch down
and crawl through a small door. Inside there's dirt covered detritis,
a rake, a saw, a frying pan, a cooler, white mugs,
a Folger's coffee container, no sign of a pistol or
winter green tobacco.

Speaker 8 (49:57):
Ten.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
As we come to a clo I want to review
all the leads we covered in this episode. Am Nosy Neighbor,
the bunker rye Barra hitchhiker paysin Walmart, paysin Bashi's Colorado,
tow truck driver, pawn Shop, old Ford traffic Stop, Oak Flat,
Tortilla Flat, the Baby Blue Truck, Mexico, Canada, Finland, Australia,

(50:22):
No More Singing, Guatemala, Malicious Gap, the Pyramids, the medical Magazine,
the two thousand and three neighbor leads, the Buddhist compound,
the gold Panting Hermit, the canyon Man, the mountain Man,
the sheepherder's cabin, Fossil Creek, Burglar, FBI headquarters, even this
damn shack ah, so many leads. We didn't start the fire,
but we're looking for the man who did. Coming up

(50:44):
a rocky hill with my henley choking my neck so
that the mic doesn't slide too far down, only the
best audio for our loyal fans want to capture this
and all it's glory. So if I coumble down a
hillside and they find this, they'll be very sad, but

(51:07):
at least at least still have an ending. Next time
I'm missing in Arizona, her husband recall and red friny
messages for.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Robert Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Someone had mentioned he might be homosexual, and maybe it
was his homosexual lover.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
You can reach us by phone at one eight three
three new tips that's one eight three three six three
nine eight four seven seven, by email at tips at
iHeartMedia dot com, tip s at iHeartMedia dot com, online
at neon thirty three dot com, or on Twitter at
John Wallzac j O n W A. L. Czak. Paul

(51:46):
Duckan is our executive producer. Chris Brown is our supervising producer.
Hannah Rose Snyder is our producer, Paul Gemperlin is our researcher,
Ben Bowen is a consulting producer, and I'm your host
and executive producer John Wallzac special thanks to Bring Whitney.
If people want to follow you on socials or anything,
where can they find you?

Speaker 5 (52:03):
I'm on the mall, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. I mean all
of it's the same. It's at Brianna Whitney. Brianna only
have one in.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Additional production support provided by Ben Hackett. Recreations voiced by
Joe McCormick, Matt Frederick and Ben Bollen. Header titles voiced
by Me and morphed with altered AI software. Cover art
by Pam Peacock. Neon thirty three logo designed by Derek Rudy.
Our intro song is Utopia by Ruby Cube. Please download
the first two seasons of our show, Missing in Alaska

(52:31):
and Missing on nine to eleven, and if you're so inclined,
give us a five star rating. Missing in Arizona is
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