August 27, 2024 • 47 mins
Only In Our Dreams did we hope to reunite Misspelling with her longtime friend and 80s singing sensation Debbie Gibson. Did Debbie find the fountain of 'Electric Youth' because fifty-something never looked so fabulous and fun.
She tells Tori about life on the road, the choices she made along the way, and why she is living her best life on her own terms.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Misspelling with Tory spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is like a little bit of a dream. I
feel like I'm dreaming right now, thank you, because you
and I are in bed together with a giant Teddy
giant bear.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Guys. Yeah, perverse fantasy. You never knew you need.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
She's been wanting to say perverse for like perverse. I
kept trying to think of that word forever, like what's
the word for this? Nailed?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It is the word.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And I'm wearing your t shirt.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I love that so much. Yeah, and this is kind
of fitting because the I had a giant, well not
this giant, but a Teddy Bear on my first album.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Cover my gosh, I own that album.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I had the tape, I had the tape, the cassette,
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I love that. How many pencils did We always loved
that cassettes when they came loose and you had to
get perform. I forgot there's an Instagram post with that
where there's like surgeons with a cassette really on the
operating table with the vessel.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I think I ever. I think I just moved on
to a new tape. I don't think I ever. Yeah,
I'd have my little cassette player and I used to
listen to your music. For some reason, I used to
like to go into my bathroom and sit on the
toilet and.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Oh my god, this is information I never knew.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I know, I did. No, I wasn't even like peeing
or pooping. I would just sit in there because I
love to listen to your music and cry because it
was like it felt like this, like oh, this speaks
to me, this is my life as a teenager. So
I would just like sit there and.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Like, oh, I love that so much. I put on music.
I have music I put on now that like it
purposely it's a cry yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, Or it just makes you feel something. It makes
you feel like you're like in a movie.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I do that. I put movie Life on the Beach
and yes, go into the movie montage, just being in
your emotions. And I'm so like when I hear that
my music did that for you or for anybody out there,
it's still mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It's really Surreal's that, like, is this still shocking to think?
Like you've had such a huge impact on millions and
gazillions of people's life.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's insane to me.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Like I and you're so normal.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Thank you. That's what I really know.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You guys like aw yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And as for you, like I showed up here today
and we're just like, hey, yeah, yeah, it's that's what
I really pride myself on, because it's just I don't know,
you've got to You've got to just be like a
good grounded person in life first and foremost. I think
that's the mission. But yeah, like I've been doing these
Electric f thirty fifth Aniverse three shows, right, and I'm
(02:57):
always up there, Like literally I could cry because I
I wrote those songs as really my passion and my
hobby originally. And then to think, you know, thirty seven
years into us all knowing this music together, we're in
this theater at this venue or whatever, and I think,
just like what you just said, how many collective memories
(03:17):
are in this room this one song? You know, I
sing Foolish Beat or I thing lost in your Eyes?
And I think people tell me you know everything from
you know, my first kiss, my first slow dance. Oh
this hearing your voice helped me come out like people
it's and back then it was just considered this fun
kind of bubblegummy hooky music, but like the impact of
(03:41):
whatever that was for people is so it has been profound,
and so I cant yeah, I kind I can't believe
this is my life get.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And it's amazing that it like surpasses generations because now,
I mean, I know, like my kids, I was playing
your music, so I was like, this is my friend
the podcast, and they're like, oh, we know, we know
her mom, we know music. It's on TikTok because now
people like I love that the younger generation. I love
the people now because you know, so everything's in again.
(04:11):
You love the bear.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I love the bear. I mean it's a little I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
To like get cozy.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh that's better?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Is that better?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's maybe a little better.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's weight, it's do you want to sit between his legs?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Kind of want to? Oh that's comfortable.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh my god, that's so cute.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
That's comfy.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Hi she was She was singing before we started, and
I was like, oh my god, this would be so nice.
I I can maybe go off ambient. If I had
Debbie Gibson in my bed every night just singing me
a lullaby, I.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Made it should be an ANI commercial.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I used to take Ambien, Like, so, I that's truth
and advertising. My assistant's jotting down.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Ambient to sell ambient.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's a really good Why haven't I done any sleep
sleeping pill commercials with? Yes? That is?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Wait, do I get a referral fear or something?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You get something fat of that? I don't know. I
mean I won't take much something sleep.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Wait did you ever eat on Ambien?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Not that type of Amien taking, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think it just put me right out. Okay, Oh
that's good. Yeah. I have a good friend that takes
Ambient and he'll call on Ambien and it's really fun. Oh,
I mean he just kind of yeah, or he'll be
like walking around like he used to live in New
York and be like I just walked around.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Because it literally takes your memory from you, like you,
I know, people were like you said this or that,
and you're like you You're like, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I know. I think I flirted really inappropriately with
with one of my friends who I should not have
been doing that with on an ambient call. I'm not
friends with him anymore, not because of that. It was
just someone of a certain time. But yeah, I did that,
Like I didn't. I totally didn't remember what I said.
I sleep pretty well now now I'm like, if I
don't sleep all through the night, I think I'm supposed
(06:15):
to be up processing something and I just go with
it now really, Oh yeah, I don't take anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I just I just make really strange recipes on anbion.
It's anything that you wouldn't think goes together somehow goes
perfectly when I'm concocting.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So funny.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, no, it's I had this thing. I was like,
I want it because I wouldn't tell my friends. They'd
be like, oh, here's what I made last night. I'm like,
oh my gosh, we should put a cookbook together, like
an ambient cookbook.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh my god, Ambien needs to be like sponsoring your
podcast and my tour now because we've just we've just
given them so much love and airtime. Oh oh my god,
that's hysterical. I love that you have Missus Beasley over
there too.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I do, and Missus Beasley in the corner and a
cabbage patch and a cabbage tack.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I have an original cabbage patch from when my grandma
braved all the the Grandma's the stampede to get the
cabbage point right. His name is Homer. He's a bald premie.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
His name's what Homer, Homer, Homer Homer.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I forgot his middle name and he's a bald premie.
I wanted a bald PREMI do you.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Know what mine's name is?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
What?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's me? Victoria Davey. Oh mom. My mom had a
store in the eighties and she carried cabbage patch dolls there.
And Xavier Roberts, who created it, actually signed They're all
on the tush have a stamp of his name. This
one's actually signed by him as well.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I didn't know date the Davy part, how do you
spell it? D A V. E.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Y is my middle name and it's after my grandfather
who passed my name with David. So I've kind of
gone with that with my kids.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
They have.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Oh, I like middle names. Are people that have passed
that we loved.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I love the male female twist names like that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, And my my second youngest son, his name is
Finn Davy. Because we had so many kids, we ran
out of loved ones that have passed.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
So, oh my god, how you do it? Everybody out
there parents. Hats off to you. I have two docs
ands and I need to help take I need people
helping me take care of my wife. It's I don't
know how y'all.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Do it hard. Docksin didn't like me.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
No, he's just you know, it's always the little ones
that they puff out their chest. And I wish imitate
you that he would have. He would have been on
your lap in five minutes. But he just was, I.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Know, not j his job. Yeah, I'm a people pleaser,
but I'm also like a huge dog lover, so I
do get bum when dogs don't like me.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
No, no, no, he would.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
He wouldn't understand. I love you.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
When we have our sleepover party where you're making crazy
recipes and I'm yeah singing and.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You're singing to me.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
We well, bring Joe, I'll warm up to you.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm actually watching this in my head right now and
it's really good.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Should should we like live stream it just for Shure singing? Totally? Should?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Oh my god, that is that another really funny.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Oh we create good ideas.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We have to go out on the town. T Are
you single?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
See you single?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Me too? Let's do it? Could you imagine us out
on the don't. I don't really go out a lot though,
I just I'm such a I don't know. I either
do plans with really good friends, but I'm super low
key about the same. Usually if I'm in well out here,
I do my RV. Like, so I live technically I
live in Vegas, that's where my home is. But I
(09:41):
live in my RV and I'm out here.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So how often are you in LA I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
In a lot. I mean, like, if I'm not touring,
which is a lot, like I have twenty six or
so shows coming up for the rest of the year,
which is nuts, then I'm between Vegas and here. But
then it like kind of started to become more here
than there, because who doesn't want to wake up looking
at I mean, I was never a beach baby. And
my late mom, she was originally from Florida, she was like,
(10:06):
you know, the beach, the beach, the beach. She grew
up in Florida, spent her childhood years there, and I
was like, I'll get it. I just don't get it.
I'm not. I was in New York, you know, give
me the city. And then I discovered it my way,
which is this way with the r V. And it's
still very kind of bohemian and I love it so much.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I always wanted to live there and then I had.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Really it's really fun.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I'd have to have a million RVs.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I don't know, I do you need like a tour
bus which and they come there too, they they pull
in there. It's really really cool. I just love the
I love the freedom in it. But yeah, I'm I'm
out here quite a bit now, so I'm there part
of the year.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, I love it. So why originally.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Vegas my ex my now ex, Well, yeah, so I
was living I was living here, I was living in
la and then I moved in with him and then
we were back and forth to Vegas a lot. It's
you know, the suburbs of Vegas are kind of like
living in any nice mountain town. Like I like it
(11:05):
better than most suburbs in the world because it doesn't
feel that so again, it feels mountainy, like you wake
up every day and you see them. You know, I'm
not far from Red Rocks, and like, I've learned to
love the West Coast and nature and sunshine. And then
you've got the Strip twenty to thirty minutes away. If
you want it, right, And every now and again, like
(11:27):
the weird thing is, I'll wake up and I'll be like,
like if it's super hot, like it's summertime, I'll be like,
I feel like walking. You just you can go to
a casino, you can go to Caesars and just like
walk around and kind of lose yourself. Like it's weird
to have a place like that to go twenty four hours.
So every now and again I use Vegas for weird
(11:48):
stuff like that, Right, but you can always get a
nice meal or go to a nice show, or you
don't have to go anywhere near the stream.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So it's really cool. I mean too, they have best rest,
great food, and you're just a hop, skip and a
jump from here anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And so yeah, it's like me living in the valley.
I'm hop skipping a jump to the West side. Yeah,
but I never go. But we're gonna go.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
We're we're gonna go do something.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Are we going out in La or Vegas?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Two blondes on the town. We're bringing this teddy Bear,
No kidding, We're gonna go. Well, every want we can
go both, we can do both. Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
So I mean you're so busy, do you feel like
you even have time to date?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know, it's a good question. I'm not really a
dater anyway. I'm more of like a meet someone, connect
with someone, connect you know. I'm just like it's on.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So I've never been a dater either.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's I kind of know when I
meet someone if it's you know, I don't know. I'm
so picky with my time and energy, which sounds as
you should be just am, I'm I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Your Debbie Gibson.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Of course, thank you. Now, I feel like you know
my life. My life is so idealic, like I've set
up my life so that it's designed exactly how I
like it. So if something falls short of that in
any area, I don't want to bother like dating or whatever.
And so, but I'm at the point where I have
found like I feel like it's the person that comes
(13:18):
along and suddenly are creating this space for them, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, but I want to I want to keep talking
about dating, but I want to go back to you've
designed your life, you share somebody, I could do that
with my life, how do you?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I mean, listen, it's easier because it's easier because I
don't have kids, so for sure that makes it easier.
But I will say this, like for me and my career,
which I feel like you're doing by having a podcast,
it feels like you're doing just a lesson behold and
you could be to people and to any big machines.
In my opinion, the better your life becomes. And the
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thing about it is like, so my badass manager, Heather
who I who was like my mom's protege for eight
nine years in the nineties early two thousands, took over
for my mom to go over the management and we
really have been We have hand picked who's on our
team and everything I do. Like, if I ever vent
(14:20):
about the schedule being crazy, it's mine. I created the schedule,
so you know, I really look at things. I look
at like on tour, I'm not a how many shows
can I do in a row? I'm a realist. I'm like,
I'm singing top of my range, like I have to
have these kinds of day these days off. I also
(14:41):
now that I have the RV that's like my mini
tour bus, and I want to see things I don't
want to just I love doing shows, but I don't
want to live just for the shows anymore. I really
look at my life with like how can I balance it?
And how can I leave time for unexpected things to happen?
And how can I really rest? You know, people say
I'll sleep when i'm I'm like, yeah, but I want
to be rested while I'm here to enjoy things. And
(15:03):
I need to sleep a lot. So I built in
nap time and sleep time.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And this blows me away. Wait have you always been
this way?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean, listen, I was with Atlantic Records. I'm working
on my book and I talk a lot about this
in the book. So I was with Atlantic Records. You
know those I get the first year. I love that. Yes,
you can do that. Listen to the audiobook. I will
do an audiobook.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well can you read it to me? Like just a
couple of times here with all were.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Perfect? Oh my god. So you know, I started on
a major label and all that, and and eventually it's
like the fun and confusing part about being me, or
maybe to the outside world, is like I'm a mainstream
artist and how I write songs and how I like
to put on a show and all that, but I
have an indie spirit. So it's like, you know, I'm
(16:00):
doing things the hard way, but in a way where
like when people come to a show of mine, they're
stepping into my world. Like it's a world that's so
specific to me. It's not like one of the big promoters,
you know, kind of had anything to say, or I
look at every website of every venue and go is
this the right venue for this particular show, and like
everything's just you know, I think, like I told you
(16:22):
about my Diamond debheads, my core fan group. They're my community.
They are like my family. They're with me because of that,
like we have this unique experience that we're all in together.
I feel like New Kids does it too, and they've
done it now on this huge scale with like my
summer tour, a mixtape tour which I was part of.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Like they would never find a label that would understand
their fandom and what they have developed. It's like we've
all built our thing over many, many years and over
because we're being authentic and I think our audiences know that.
But yeah, So there came a point in my career
where I literally walked away from ten million dollars in
(17:04):
advance of money and said I can't sleep at night
doing it your way, my way, but my way, but
your way. But like it's you start feeling like you're
selling your soul and the audience starts going, I thought,
I know who you were, But now I'm a little confused,
and I'm like, yeah, me too, because I'm it's that
art and commerce balance, you know. So for me, it's
(17:24):
that getting the RV was this hugely freeing thing. For me,
it was like, let me explore my adventure, like that's
my form of adventure.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And I didn't really understand. Sorry, you literally travel in
the RV from Vegas here.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes, but I try. I've put thirty thousand miles on
it around the country with a driver. But then I
get behind that when I'm not napping on it between shows,
I'll get behind the wheel. Like last tour, I learned
how to downshift in this the same way Washington and Oregon.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, oh my god. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So it's become this little it's I feel like I
don't even know how how I would have been touring
the last couple of years without it, because tour buses,
the rental and the union drivers and the like, it's
a whole thing. So I've just figured out how do
you look.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
To pay for that?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh? Yeah, what like, we'll put it this way. So
when I did the mixtape tour with New Kids, like,
they pay me a lovely sum of money, but a
lot of it is going to the tour bus and
the driver, and the driver has to be in a
union and you can only drive certain hours and you
can I didn't. Girl. I parked this in a Walmart
parking lot. Me and my driver go, do you want
to sleep a few hours? You will sleep a few hours.
(18:32):
You get up and I jokingly say, you buy a
They make the best French cruller anywhere in Walmart. You
wake up and you're having your French Crawler and you're
buying like ten dollars pajamas you didn't know you needed. Yes, French,
is that which one is? It's like the no, it's
like the fluffy like Duncan makes it now in only
parts of the country. I know way too much about
the French croller. Maybe there's a recipe when we can
(18:55):
make our own wit something. They're kind of like just
fluffy or yes, they're kind of they're round, but they're
a little twisty, like yeah, they're they have like like
lind ridges in them, but they're like lighter than a
regular donut. They just are different. I don't know, a croller,
a French croler. It's like see ru e ll e r.
(19:18):
I think we have a picture. But yeah, so like
there's just a there's like a free flow in my
life right now. Anything that I don't oh, okay, anything
that I don't have to put on a schedule, I
don't want to, Like if I can play things to
the last minute and I'm gonna drive here or just
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let like I just live my life in a way
that agrees with me, and I just I just design
it as best as I can. And yeah, I mean,
I just I look at I look at some artists
you know, on Instagram and whatever, and I think, oh
my god, Like I love Kylie Minogue and I think
she's like having the best career moment of her life.
(20:01):
And I also say, okay, the type a career woman
and me like wants to have that year. And then
I go that also suddenly looks exhausting to me. And
people think I'm working all the time, and they think,
oh my god, You're on the road all the time
and coming up it gets a little more intense. It's
still not as intense as most. I just make it
(20:22):
so that it's so like I love to think every
time I go out, I'm elevating. I'm elevating and I'm
creating moments and I'm doing things very specifically, and so
it feels bigger, faster, better, But it's actually not. It's
actually like I'm conserving my energy and then I'm like
high output. But it's in a very intentional way, and
(20:44):
it's it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm kind of just more peaceful and more comfortable in
my skin and happier with my art and all of
it than I've ever been. It's all very connected.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
When you were young, was it just like you just
want My stomach is going not saying oh yeah, I
know that's okay. It wants a croller right there you go, yes,
but I kind of want it savory, like can they
make that and drizzle like savory over it?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I have to shift like the sweet and savory this.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Take your boots off, get cozy, we're keeping all. I
have a heated weight at blanket. Would you like one? Okay? Good?
I want to get up.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I do.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I totally forgot I have the tension span of a gnat, Like, uh.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I'm saying, I don't know, it's really good.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
We don't fall off to bed.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
His moment, I was.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Saying, when you were younger, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, was it like was it crazy? Was it?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Is it just like go o go and in your
mind at the time, where you like, I have to
keep going because.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yes, everything's momentum based, and I'm sure it was for you.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right, Look in the video you look very tall, and
I look like this little person here very.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's very Alice in Wonderland. So yeah, I mean I
think about like the tour bus days when I was younger,
and I didn't take anything in. It was just the
country was going by outside the window, and I didn't.
I was so fixated on being perfect on stage and
the schedule, and I was anxious all the time. And
(22:32):
I'm still a little anxious, but like some an adrenaline girl.
But but yeah, I just didn't. I didn't realize all
the things that life had to offer, you know, and now.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Could you You were young, you were going going going like.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And it's kind of like a practice too, like like
I do meet in greets, right, and I'll meet one
hundred people before my show or after my show. It
before and it's weirdly more energy. Yet it's more energy
than the sh I swear it is because every my
mom used to do this unbelievable impersonation of me at
meet and greets. And you've done a million autograph signings
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and things where you know, you reset for every person.
You're like hi, and you and You're aware, I'm aware
this is this person's minute, you know, And I want
to make sure I'm like so engaged and so present.
I want to I want because they want to meet me,
but they want me to meet them. They want to
know Share said it like she said, they want they
(23:31):
want to know I met that. They want this is
somebody's moment to tell me their story and I want
to hear it, and so like, it's that that requires
like I don't know how teachers do what they do
because I like taught summer camps and programs and things.
It's like but it's that level of engagement. But it's
like you as a mom, right, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Not that engaged anymore. Wait, I feel like I gave
my best spears since oh my.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
God, But you know that present, like you're so in
it you don't even know how tired you are till
you're done. You're tired. I mean, so where's the show.
I'm a little more in control of that output, and
it's just different, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But yeah, yeah, meeting your fans. It's people can't quite
understand it because I know, like i'd been doing conventions now,
which I hadn't done a lot in the last few years.
We've been doing them, and they'll always be like, your
people are waiting too long. You got to go faster,
and I'm like, I can't. I can't go faster.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Because they tried to curfews at venues in a I know,
I want them.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Each to have that time. How can you say no,
like you know, you signed something and.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Go I know, and for you, like you think about
people were in You were in people's living rooms in
their most formative years, and I mean, it's so special
that they get to meet you.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm the though I still don't see it, like how
you know, influential we were as a TV show on
people's childhoods and lives and yeah, I can't see it either,
Like I understand it, right, but like you're talking about
it I'm like, well, yeah, like I can see like
for you as an outsider, I'm like, yes, it's huge
(25:21):
for people, but it's so hard to see it when
it's yourself, right right, It's just well, i'm here to
tell you, and I'm here to tell you made a.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Huge impact on people, and you were yeah, I mean
that show is just that show is really special.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Same sister, same. But see, what's great is a musician
you can keep going as an artist like.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And yes, it's a real like you know, people use
the word reinvent. I don't know if it's reinvent, but
it is, like you listen, it's again it's hard. I'm
not gonna lie. It's like my manager and I always
are like kind of.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Like are we there yet?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Just when I think like, oh, maybe I'll get a
little easier, like we'll go to that next echelon. And
then by the way, I said the what I said
earlier about big machines, but when you establish the thing
the way you want to, like, I did an album
called The Body Remembers, and I did a couple of
tours and now I'd want to partner. It's kind of
like being a romantic, right when you know who you are.
You're like, well, now I'd welcome the right partner because
(26:20):
we've already created the thing with the way we want
and you can't mess with that. But but if someone's
going to come along understand my creative vision and help
elevate it, I'm ready for that, you know, right, But like, yeah, no,
it's hard, and we're doing it the hard way. It's
like every venue and every like I have a small
team and everyone's doing like customer service all the time,
(26:41):
like with the venues and the fans and that, like
we just really it's it's really personal. You get what
you want, but it really is satisfying yourself and you do.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Like I heard Taylor.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Swift talking about this recently too, It's like it's the
ninety five percent of the stuff people don't see you
do that allows for that five percent magical time I
get to spend on stage, which is like the big
payoff for me. But the ninety five percent of like
the fourteen business hats you're wearing is the tiring part.
That's the hard part. And then you're and then I'm
kind of like, oh, shoot, I haven't worked on my
(27:12):
voice or the actual songs I'm doing the show are
because I'm busy putting it all, putting it all together.
So I'd like that to get a little easier. It's
a boy to be honest. But we're still making it
work and bringing a lot of joy to people. And
I'm rebuilding my touring career because I went into I
did a lot of theater, I did a lot of Broadway,
and so to come back and go, oh right, this
(27:34):
is really you know, this is what I started off doing,
and it's a rebuild, and there's people who are stuck
with me for many, many years. People were circling back
after three decades of losing track of me, and it's
really fun, it's really meaningful. It's really been a blast.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh my gosh. Did you ever get nervous performing?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh? Yeah, Like I said, I'm like, I'm an anxious person.
Like the most nerve wracking thing I'm about to do
as this acoustic tour because when I do, I'm an
adrenaline girl. And so usually i'd come out and I
do three big energy you know, high energy numbers. I'm
dancing whatever, and then I ease my way into the ballads.
This is me coming out a piano I might bring
(28:12):
one musician with me. I haven't decided, but it's like
it's on me, and it's I have to be grounded
and in this certain place. I've done things like this before,
but not in a long time, so I know I'm
going to be like I have to figure out the
new way of preparing for this particular show to kind
of be set in a in a kind of zending
(28:33):
place before I go out. So yeah, that's I do
I get as a kid where you like, like, what
was your first big performance?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Like how many? Like massive?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I mean, you know, it was kind of a build
because I would perform in clubs for you know, two
hundred people at a time or whatever, two hundred of
drunken people at a time trying to pick someone up,
going like who's this little white chick trying to sing
some song about dream shot? And uh, I just always
(29:04):
just had that like ambition. I just always wanted to
get like shut up and listen to the music people
and uh. But the biggest I mean I just remember
some of like the radio shows I started performing at,
like I remember was so random. I remember doing one
in Tampa at the Zoo with the Monkeys. It was
like one of those big crowds as far as the
(29:26):
I can see. But it kind of built to where
I was doing like clubs and then colleges and then
like you know the tour where I did Radio City
and I did the Greek and then it went into
the arenas and it was like relatively fast. But also
it was so I did clubs for like nine months.
I did like three shows a night, four nights a week,
(29:46):
and so nine months into my career, I was like
exhausted and people were just hearing about me, right, So
it's interesting because things were a little different from my perspective.
But yeah, but then I did like the Rock and
Rio festival, you know, like seventy five thousand people and
one hundred thousand people. But it's weird. The bigger, the
(30:06):
bigger the crowd, the easier it was, really, yeah, because
it's just built on many people.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
What do you see, Like, what is it from your perspective?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I mean, it's just kind of this wall of energy
and adrenaline excitement, So like that makes it, in my opinion,
makes it makes it easier. Again, it's when you have
to me, when you have to hold a smaller, more
discerning room That's why doing Broadway like doing a miz
you know, you get out there to sing on my own,
pretending he's this side. You know, the pie notes coming.
Everyone's seated, they're in toxes, They've paid a lot of money,
(30:39):
they know what they're like, They're expecting something specific, and
like that's where nerve. I mean, I was always nervous
before Broadway performances, and I had a very regimented life
and routine. And you know if people say, like, are
you coming back to Broadway, and I'm like, again, like
the things you have to sacrifice to do eight shows
a week, it's kind of sing like you live like
(31:01):
a monk, Like you can't. It's your living for that,
you know, that pristine kind of thing that both like,
it's a lot, it's intense, and I did a lot
of it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
So I'm again anxiety.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You talk about it, Yeah, Wow, it's like doing the anthem.
I did the anthem at the World Series when Kirk
Gibson hit the winning run eighty eight I think it
was eighty eight. It was the most petrifying minute and
twenty seconds of my entire life, and uh yeah, and
usually what would happen with me is I'd get myself
to the place to do the thing, and then afterwards
I'd fall apart. Really oh yeah, I'd be like come
(31:36):
out of here, geme me out here. I need a
brown paper breathing in a brown paper bag, xanax all
of it. Because I was. I was really anxious all
the time, and I was fatigued. Yes, I do not often,
but when I.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Do, whoo And did they come on from? Like stress? Anxiety?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Like work thousand percent? Like stress?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I have that moment down You're just like.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yes and g I like if I'm not eating great
and I'm stressed and yeah, yeah, Like I went recently
went to see Neo's concert in at the Wind in Vegas.
I had a migraine the next day. And I think
it's because I ate Asian food, which I don't usually eat.
I'm in that recycled air and all the smoke and
the chemicals and you know, people are smoking pot everywhere
(32:18):
in rooms and like it's chemistry for me. That gets
me too.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I can't believe you were going to be fifty four.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I am.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
She has like barely any makeup on her skin is perfect.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
This is oh my god, No, I have line I
have lines. Listen. Last year I had a little disport,
and I'm always like I would say to my dancers
Buddy and Eddie, who are too, They're my choreographers, choreographers
and my besties. I'm always like I miss my old forehead.
But again, like me and chemistry, like weird things happen,
and so I'm like entertaining it again because when you're
(32:52):
touring and people are just pictures and videos and everything's
so close up, and I know I look at myself
and off.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
But I'm here to say I'm sitting literally right in
front of her and she looks gay, thank you. But
I know that perfect forehead that when I watch TV
shows there's actresses our age and I'm like, wait, how
did they have the perfect forehead? Like what I know,
where did they go? What did they use?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
And when they use too much and nothing moves, I'm
really not happy. You're just like I'm expressing internally, but
I might want a little light light something again, just
because I start looking like you can't see this is
not close up, but between like I do the nose
scrunch and then like I have the.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Call that the rabbit is it? The rabbit ears oh, I.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Don't know, and then I have deviated septums, so I
just start looking like a crazy person right here right there.
Oh my god, But I still look like me. And
that's why I like, I just want to always walk
that line, because I do think people want to see.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah you people say I've had like gazillion plastic surgeries
face and I'm like, it's so weird to me because
I have and I've had my nose done and yeah,
I mean I've had but.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
You had a time like when you're kicking right, I
was like to me, Yeah, it's totally crooked.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I'm like scared to do it again because I'm like,
what if it doesn't look like me?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
No, you look great? You look great? Do you have
hardly any makeup on today? Too?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And yoursense great.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I feel like this generation I say this like to
my audience all the time. I feel like we're like
just it's We're a super vital generation that does not
want to be put out to pasture. I'm just so
tired of like I remember growing up with the like
after forty you can't wear this, and you know, like right,
I might, you know, as a choice sometime wear Chanel
(34:42):
suit or something, but not likely, Like I'm usually not
happy in a blazer. I'm not happy in a I'm not.
I'm just I have a youthful now.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, I had for.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Rock and roll kind of and you should always keep that.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right, yeah, because I'm not doing it for someone else.
I like how I look and I feel good. And
when I want to wear something different, I'll wear something different.
But I'm not gonna dress because I'm told i should
dress a certain way.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And she looks so hot, you guys, like, thank you.
We were outside in front of my house and I
was sitting on the ground and you were squatting, literally squatting,
and she held that post while we talked for how long?
Oh my god, I was so jealous.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Ah, your body is insane.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Ah, thank you. I don't know, I just I've become
more relaxed about my body though, Like right now, I
have like I have like the fun I wear what
you know, flatters it, but I have like the five
to seven whatever. But I'm like, you know what, I'm
enjoying eating bread and not caring and like there's just
a balance. I always say there's just a balance and
(35:49):
it's and it's decisions. It's like, you know what, I
might not be able to fit in that pair of
jeans right now, but I enjoy the freedom of eating
the way I want, you know, within whatever the parameters
I set for myself are and all the things. And
but that freedom shows up in your being, doesn't it?
Like it again, if your life is agreeing with you.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, I'm not like rigid.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Do you work out a lot?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I don't, That's the thing. So I was the over
worker out were you like the tybo and the yoga
and the cardio on that because I used to do
all the like over like tibo.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I with all my friends and I was always the
first one to leave or go hide in the corner.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
But you know when we used to do the like over,
you know, join the Rebok Sports club and do the Yeah.
And what I learned about that was like my back
started going out because my adrenals were crashing, like you
can't when you end for women of a certain age,
if your cortisol is getting if you're like so, if
(37:02):
you're over working out, like I find, it's like so
much of it is eating for me to keep myself
looking how I want. But it's you know, I just
eat things in moderation, but also flowy things like I
do like a nice walk jog walk, jog on the beach,
you know. I jump on the peloton a little. I
dance in my I just try to stay in motion.
But when I get like on stage, I output to
(37:24):
the point where, like I mean, my lungs are like
are you freaking kidding me? But if I even with that,
I swear to you, a day or two later, I
look like I have more weight on me because the
cortisol levels are doing that, and so it's not about
intensely working out for me anymore. But I have like muscle,
like I have biceps from the twenty thirty years I
(37:48):
did biceps and now it's just muscle memory.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
You have no skin under your arm too.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I have a little bit a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
My mom used to They would her and her friends
would joke when I was young, like oh the wave
goodbye on ye, Like Mom, that's so embarrassing. I don't
even know what she's saw. And I'm like, holy only.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
That's that again. That's that margin where like for me,
I have to be underweight for that to go away.
So I'm just like, but no, I'm not doing like
triceps these days and all that, but I and I
should do a little probably, But I'm telling you my
energy is always like I have an on season and
an off season, and my body doesn't want me to
work too hard physically in the off season. I have
(38:34):
to kind of save it up a little bit and
just do everything kind of light.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I love that you know yourself so well.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
But that's the thing too, So you know what I
feel like everybody like that's the thing. Because I've had
friends go like, you need to drink lemon water. I'm like, no,
you need to drink lemon water, because what happens when
I drink it just goes right, Like my stomach acts
like I have an ulcer all the time, Like I
have to be at bland. And so there's no one
size fits all any thing.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
True.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You have to know yourself, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, but also just what you want in life.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
One thousand percent one thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Like I just turned fifty one and I'm still like, wait,
what is it I want in life?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Like and what is it you want next? Like do
you have a thing that and how old is your
youngest child, Devin, Wow, so you have a little while
do you have ten years?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Of yeah, super hands on. But see sixty one these
days is young, so you're gonna have this whole other chapter.
Tell me sixty one when you're sixty one, So you're
fifty one now, two years right when you're youngest to seventeen.
That's still like a whole fresh I look at my my,
you know, pop singer peers like Belinda Carlisle, like she's like,
(39:48):
what sixty four sixty five, like these women who are
just rocking it in their shah yah. Right, So you're
gonna have this whole it's different now, yeah, but it
sounds like also you have right because your your single
now again. But yeah, what I don't know, Like for
me the r V, I didn't know I wanted that adventure,
but I started seeing them on the road and I
(40:08):
got this little thing in my head about it, and
then I just once I get the thing in my head,
I have to do it really yeah, but it ends
up happening. Do you have any of those types of Oh.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Sure, I mean there's so much I want to do.
I mean it's more like I'm very work driven so
it is hard for me to find that balance between
children and work and then finding a little bit of
myself somewhere there. And I think having gone through my
(40:41):
X and I sweating up and really doing that, I'm
able to see a little bit more of myself there
because I'm finally like, okay, I have to put myself
out free, you know, free, whoa I'm like just coming out.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
That's okay, don't at it.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, okay, I guess that's what my body wanted to say.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, right, yeah, a thousand per se. But really I
would imagine like every partnership, like I wasn't a ten
year thing, and he and I are still friends, but yeah,
do you live your life differently? You know? And again
I speaking from somebody who's been solo for most of
my life really and especially the last five years. It's fun,
(41:21):
it's nice. And again, I know you have the kids
in their schedule and everything.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So it's the oldest one writing ten years. So let's
say he's seventeen. Let's say when he's eighteen, I'm sixty two.
I could then maybe meet somebody and have like a
whole life because the kids will be out there else,
they'll be on their own doing their own thing, although
I don't really want them to leave. I don't want
to go really.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
And in the meantime you can meet people now too,
but again you can also just do things for you.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I'm not very good at being alone.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
You think, just because you're used to it, or well,
I say.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
That, but I don't really know. I've never been alone.
Maybe I would be great at.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
It, And I'm like the weirdly the opposite. So I
keep saying, Oh, I think I really want a partner now,
and then when it's eight PM and I'm watching a
movie with my two dogs ands, I'm like, I'm so
glad nobody's here right now. Now. A lot of that,
weirdly is because I use my voice a lot for
singing and sometimes I don't want to talk.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I love that a lot.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Excessively, and so like the fantasy is that I have
this partner who totally understands that, like like I would
like I do want I do want to have someone
where I could just be like, be quiet, just be
in somebody's presence and be comfortable, relaxed, and that does
appeal to me. Now, Like I put that to the universe,
that i'd want that now.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, maybe it's not after eight pm, like they just
hang with you and then they leave it.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Eight the right, it's just quiet time.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, it's never quite in my house. Like you just
reference that like being in bed with your dogs and
it's eight o'clock and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I know, because I hear from my sisters with kids.
It's like, yeah, I know. It's a very I live
a very different life, but I also sometimes have the
opposite feeling where I'm like, oh, it would be fun
to have a little crew around right now. It's built
in energy, right, and it's built in focus because sometimes
I'm also so alone with my thoughts and my emotions.
(43:17):
It's like stupid because it's like nobody should be this,
it should have this much time alone with their Especially
in that RV. I'm always like it's just a recipe
for being in your feelings. It's like four walls twenty
five feet and you're just like there's nothing to do
but cry. Like that's what happens sometimes to me.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, you watch movies, Well, what do you mean you can?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I mean I do, but yeah, it is a lot
of like introspection to a degree, there's like probably a
balance between your scenario and my scenario.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh my god, imagine if we like trade it lives
for a week.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I'm feeling it's another idea Hallmark movie.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
We're trading one Hallmark.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Oh, I'm way Tootflix. I know I've done some Hallmark
and yeah, I think I'm on the edge for Hallmark
these days too, weirdly, like I'm not the edgiest person,
but for Hallmarks sometimes, yeah, I think maybe. But okay,
so we'll bring it to Netflix and trade lives. We're
switching lives. You're going on the road to Yeah, harvy girl.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh, I don't know if I could tour.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
I grew in your concert, and I would not send
your kids out to school looking like they're supposed to do,
because I don't. I don't dress a kid for school
or anything like that. Oh my god, it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I've gotten so lazy with my youngest one because there's
so many at night. I put him in his clothes
for the day next day and convinced.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It's cool to do that. My god, that is so funny.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yes, dinner, he takes his back, oh my god. Sometimes,
and I'm just kidding. He always takes his bad it's hysterical.
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But then I'll be like he dude,
Like I rationalize with him, and he's good at that.
I was like, you know, it'll save like an extra
five minutes if we get dressed now, and then you
(45:12):
sleep later and I can sleep later. Wink wink. And yeah,
he's so he sleeps in his clothes. That is really funny.
My bad, mom, No.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I think listen. I think if you're getting through it,
you're good every day school, very few days, so we'll
see how it goes. But so far, so good. Any
plans for your birthday? You know, I did this really
awesome friends dinner last year with like thirty people at
this great French restaurant Juliette, And then this year, I'm like,
(45:47):
I might be here. It might be Vegas. I might
be literally behind the wheel of my RV the day
of my birthday, which could be kind of weirdly fun.
Might be hold up with my dogs watching a movie.
Might be at dinner with some friends. Like I would
like whatever falls in my lap this year and feels convenient,
and like I'm just going to be totally in the
moment about it. I have no desire for planning in
(46:09):
advance at all this year.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Great.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
No, my fiftieth was, by the way, My fiftieth was
during COVID and I had a Zoom party and do
you know Richard Whites, My friend Richard White, thank you
have w co chair of wm ME. I figure you
guys know each other. He hosted and was said, narrated.
My friend Matt Oss British popster, he played and sang
(46:35):
and yeah, all my friends were on Zoom Entertainment tonight
sent me over a cake which my neighbor knocked on
the door and delivered it to me. And when the
party was done, I closed my laptop and I went
up to my room with my dogs, and I was like,
I am so happy I didn't have to think about
a big fiftieth bash, which inevitably someone would have got offended.
(46:57):
I would have forgotten my advisor. I wouldn't have wanted
to invite.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
All the pressure, too much pressure, I loved.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I'm kind of weirdly again, I'm like Hibernational and I
don't need big to dos all the time. And I'm
the same, so it depends Yet where I am like somebody,
somebody can take me to brunch if they want or whatever.
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Get her a French crouler from French.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
For a French croller. That's it. That's it. Put a
candle in it. I'm good.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is like a little bit of a dream. I
feel like I'm dreaming right now, thank you, because you
and I are in bed together with a giant Teddy
giant bear.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Guys. Yeah, perverse fantasy. You never knew you need.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
She's been wanting to say perverse for like perverse. I
kept trying to think of that word forever, like what's
the word for this? Nailed?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It is the word.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And I'm wearing your t shirt.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I love that so much. Yeah, and this is kind
of fitting because the I had a giant, well not
this giant, but a Teddy Bear on my first album.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Cover my gosh, I own that album.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I had the tape, I had the tape, the cassette,
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I love that. How many pencils did We always loved
that cassettes when they came loose and you had to
get perform. I forgot there's an Instagram post with that
where there's like surgeons with a cassette really on the
operating table with the vessel.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I think I ever. I think I just moved on
to a new tape. I don't think I ever. Yeah,
I'd have my little cassette player and I used to
listen to your music. For some reason, I used to
like to go into my bathroom and sit on the
toilet and.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Oh my god, this is information I never knew.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I know, I did. No, I wasn't even like peeing
or pooping. I would just sit in there because I
love to listen to your music and cry because it
was like it felt like this, like oh, this speaks
to me, this is my life as a teenager. So
I would just like sit there and.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Like, oh, I love that so much. I put on music.
I have music I put on now that like it
purposely it's a cry yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, Or it just makes you feel something. It makes
you feel like you're like in a movie.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I do that. I put movie Life on the Beach
and yes, go into the movie montage, just being in
your emotions. And I'm so like when I hear that
my music did that for you or for anybody out there,
it's still mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
It's really Surreal's that, like, is this still shocking to think?
Like you've had such a huge impact on millions and
gazillions of people's life.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's insane to me.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Like I and you're so normal.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Thank you. That's what I really know.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You guys like aw yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And as for you, like I showed up here today
and we're just like, hey, yeah, yeah, it's that's what
I really pride myself on, because it's just I don't know,
you've got to You've got to just be like a
good grounded person in life first and foremost. I think
that's the mission. But yeah, like I've been doing these
Electric f thirty fifth Aniverse three shows, right, and I'm
(02:57):
always up there, Like literally I could cry because I
I wrote those songs as really my passion and my
hobby originally. And then to think, you know, thirty seven
years into us all knowing this music together, we're in
this theater at this venue or whatever, and I think,
just like what you just said, how many collective memories
(03:17):
are in this room this one song? You know, I
sing Foolish Beat or I thing lost in your Eyes?
And I think people tell me you know everything from
you know, my first kiss, my first slow dance. Oh
this hearing your voice helped me come out like people
it's and back then it was just considered this fun
kind of bubblegummy hooky music, but like the impact of
(03:41):
whatever that was for people is so it has been profound,
and so I cant yeah, I kind I can't believe
this is my life get.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And it's amazing that it like surpasses generations because now,
I mean, I know, like my kids, I was playing
your music, so I was like, this is my friend
the podcast, and they're like, oh, we know, we know
her mom, we know music. It's on TikTok because now
people like I love that the younger generation. I love
the people now because you know, so everything's in again.
(04:11):
You love the bear.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I love the bear. I mean it's a little I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
To like get cozy.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh that's better?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Is that better?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
That's maybe a little better.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's weight, it's do you want to sit between his legs?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Kind of want to? Oh that's comfortable.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh my god, that's so cute.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
That's comfy.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Hi she was She was singing before we started, and
I was like, oh my god, this would be so nice.
I I can maybe go off ambient. If I had
Debbie Gibson in my bed every night just singing me
a lullaby, I.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Made it should be an ANI commercial.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I used to take Ambien, Like, so, I that's truth
and advertising. My assistant's jotting down.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Ambient to sell ambient.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's a really good Why haven't I done any sleep
sleeping pill commercials with? Yes? That is?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Wait, do I get a referral fear or something?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You get something fat of that? I don't know. I
mean I won't take much something sleep.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Wait did you ever eat on Ambien?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Not that type of Amien taking, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think it just put me right out. Okay, Oh
that's good. Yeah. I have a good friend that takes
Ambient and he'll call on Ambien and it's really fun. Oh,
I mean he just kind of yeah, or he'll be
like walking around like he used to live in New
York and be like I just walked around.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Because it literally takes your memory from you, like you,
I know, people were like you said this or that,
and you're like you You're like, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I know. I think I flirted really inappropriately with
with one of my friends who I should not have
been doing that with on an ambient call. I'm not
friends with him anymore, not because of that. It was
just someone of a certain time. But yeah, I did that,
Like I didn't. I totally didn't remember what I said.
I sleep pretty well now now I'm like, if I
don't sleep all through the night, I think I'm supposed
(06:15):
to be up processing something and I just go with
it now really, Oh yeah, I don't take anything anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I just I just make really strange recipes on anbion.
It's anything that you wouldn't think goes together somehow goes
perfectly when I'm concocting.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So funny.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, no, it's I had this thing. I was like,
I want it because I wouldn't tell my friends. They'd
be like, oh, here's what I made last night. I'm like,
oh my gosh, we should put a cookbook together, like
an ambient cookbook.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh my god, Ambien needs to be like sponsoring your
podcast and my tour now because we've just we've just
given them so much love and airtime. Oh oh my god,
that's hysterical. I love that you have Missus Beasley over
there too.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I do, and Missus Beasley in the corner and a
cabbage patch and a cabbage tack.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I have an original cabbage patch from when my grandma
braved all the the Grandma's the stampede to get the
cabbage point right. His name is Homer. He's a bald premie.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
His name's what Homer, Homer, Homer Homer.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I forgot his middle name and he's a bald premie.
I wanted a bald PREMI do you.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Know what mine's name is?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
What?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's me? Victoria Davey. Oh mom. My mom had a
store in the eighties and she carried cabbage patch dolls there.
And Xavier Roberts, who created it, actually signed They're all
on the tush have a stamp of his name. This
one's actually signed by him as well.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I didn't know date the Davy part, how do you
spell it? D A V. E.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Y is my middle name and it's after my grandfather
who passed my name with David. So I've kind of
gone with that with my kids.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
They have.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Oh, I like middle names. Are people that have passed
that we loved.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I love the male female twist names like that.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, And my my second youngest son, his name is
Finn Davy. Because we had so many kids, we ran
out of loved ones that have passed.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
So, oh my god, how you do it? Everybody out
there parents. Hats off to you. I have two docs
ands and I need to help take I need people
helping me take care of my wife. It's I don't
know how y'all.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Do it hard. Docksin didn't like me.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
No, he's just you know, it's always the little ones
that they puff out their chest. And I wish imitate
you that he would have. He would have been on
your lap in five minutes. But he just was, I.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Know, not j his job. Yeah, I'm a people pleaser,
but I'm also like a huge dog lover, so I
do get bum when dogs don't like me.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
No, no, no, he would.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
He wouldn't understand. I love you.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
When we have our sleepover party where you're making crazy
recipes and I'm yeah singing and.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You're singing to me.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
We well, bring Joe, I'll warm up to you.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm actually watching this in my head right now and
it's really good.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Should should we like live stream it just for Shure singing? Totally? Should?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Oh my god, that is that another really funny.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Oh we create good ideas.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
We have to go out on the town. T Are
you single?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
See you single?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Me too? Let's do it? Could you imagine us out
on the don't. I don't really go out a lot though,
I just I'm such a I don't know. I either
do plans with really good friends, but I'm super low
key about the same. Usually if I'm in well out here,
I do my RV. Like, so I live technically I
live in Vegas, that's where my home is. But I
(09:41):
live in my RV and I'm out here.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So how often are you in LA I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
In a lot. I mean, like, if I'm not touring,
which is a lot, like I have twenty six or
so shows coming up for the rest of the year,
which is nuts, then I'm between Vegas and here. But
then it like kind of started to become more here
than there, because who doesn't want to wake up looking
at I mean, I was never a beach baby. And
my late mom, she was originally from Florida, she was like,
(10:06):
you know, the beach, the beach, the beach. She grew
up in Florida, spent her childhood years there, and I
was like, I'll get it. I just don't get it.
I'm not. I was in New York, you know, give
me the city. And then I discovered it my way,
which is this way with the r V. And it's
still very kind of bohemian and I love it so much.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I always wanted to live there and then I had.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Really it's really fun.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I'd have to have a million RVs.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I don't know, I do you need like a tour
bus which and they come there too, they they pull
in there. It's really really cool. I just love the
I love the freedom in it. But yeah, I'm I'm
out here quite a bit now, so I'm there part
of the year.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, I love it. So why originally.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Vegas my ex my now ex, Well, yeah, so I
was living I was living here, I was living in
la and then I moved in with him and then
we were back and forth to Vegas a lot. It's
you know, the suburbs of Vegas are kind of like
living in any nice mountain town. Like I like it
(11:05):
better than most suburbs in the world because it doesn't
feel that so again, it feels mountainy, like you wake
up every day and you see them. You know, I'm
not far from Red Rocks, and like, I've learned to
love the West Coast and nature and sunshine. And then
you've got the Strip twenty to thirty minutes away. If
you want it, right, And every now and again, like
(11:27):
the weird thing is, I'll wake up and I'll be like,
like if it's super hot, like it's summertime, I'll be like,
I feel like walking. You just you can go to
a casino, you can go to Caesars and just like
walk around and kind of lose yourself. Like it's weird
to have a place like that to go twenty four hours.
So every now and again I use Vegas for weird
(11:48):
stuff like that, Right, but you can always get a
nice meal or go to a nice show, or you
don't have to go anywhere near the stream.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So it's really cool. I mean too, they have best rest,
great food, and you're just a hop, skip and a
jump from here anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And so yeah, it's like me living in the valley.
I'm hop skipping a jump to the West side. Yeah,
but I never go. But we're gonna go.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
We're we're gonna go do something.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Are we going out in La or Vegas?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Two blondes on the town. We're bringing this teddy Bear,
No kidding, We're gonna go. Well, every want we can
go both, we can do both. Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
So I mean you're so busy, do you feel like
you even have time to date?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know, it's a good question. I'm not really a
dater anyway. I'm more of like a meet someone, connect
with someone, connect you know. I'm just like it's on.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So I've never been a dater either.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's I kind of know when I
meet someone if it's you know, I don't know. I'm
so picky with my time and energy, which sounds as
you should be just am, I'm I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Your Debbie Gibson.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Of course, thank you. Now, I feel like you know
my life. My life is so idealic, like I've set
up my life so that it's designed exactly how I
like it. So if something falls short of that in
any area, I don't want to bother like dating or whatever.
And so, but I'm at the point where I have
found like I feel like it's the person that comes
(13:18):
along and suddenly are creating this space for them, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, but I want to I want to keep talking
about dating, but I want to go back to you've
designed your life, you share somebody, I could do that
with my life, how do you?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I mean, listen, it's easier because it's easier because I
don't have kids, so for sure that makes it easier.
But I will say this, like for me and my career,
which I feel like you're doing by having a podcast,
it feels like you're doing just a lesson behold and
you could be to people and to any big machines.
In my opinion, the better your life becomes. And the
(13:56):
thing about it is like, so my badass manager, Heather
who I who was like my mom's protege for eight
nine years in the nineties early two thousands, took over
for my mom to go over the management and we
really have been We have hand picked who's on our
team and everything I do. Like, if I ever vent
(14:20):
about the schedule being crazy, it's mine. I created the schedule,
so you know, I really look at things. I look
at like on tour, I'm not a how many shows
can I do in a row? I'm a realist. I'm like,
I'm singing top of my range, like I have to
have these kinds of day these days off. I also
(14:41):
now that I have the RV that's like my mini
tour bus, and I want to see things I don't
want to just I love doing shows, but I don't
want to live just for the shows anymore. I really
look at my life with like how can I balance it?
And how can I leave time for unexpected things to happen?
And how can I really rest? You know, people say
I'll sleep when i'm I'm like, yeah, but I want
to be rested while I'm here to enjoy things. And
(15:03):
I need to sleep a lot. So I built in
nap time and sleep time.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And this blows me away. Wait have you always been
this way?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean, listen, I was with Atlantic Records. I'm working
on my book and I talk a lot about this
in the book. So I was with Atlantic Records. You
know those I get the first year. I love that. Yes,
you can do that. Listen to the audiobook. I will
do an audiobook.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well can you read it to me? Like just a
couple of times here with all were.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Perfect? Oh my god. So you know, I started on
a major label and all that, and and eventually it's
like the fun and confusing part about being me, or
maybe to the outside world, is like I'm a mainstream
artist and how I write songs and how I like
to put on a show and all that, but I
have an indie spirit. So it's like, you know, I'm
(16:00):
doing things the hard way, but in a way where
like when people come to a show of mine, they're
stepping into my world. Like it's a world that's so
specific to me. It's not like one of the big promoters,
you know, kind of had anything to say, or I
look at every website of every venue and go is
this the right venue for this particular show, and like
everything's just you know, I think, like I told you
(16:22):
about my Diamond debheads, my core fan group. They're my community.
They are like my family. They're with me because of that,
like we have this unique experience that we're all in together.
I feel like New Kids does it too, and they've
done it now on this huge scale with like my
summer tour, a mixtape tour which I was part of.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Like they would never find a label that would understand
their fandom and what they have developed. It's like we've
all built our thing over many, many years and over
because we're being authentic and I think our audiences know that.
But yeah, So there came a point in my career
where I literally walked away from ten million dollars in
(17:04):
advance of money and said I can't sleep at night
doing it your way, my way, but my way, but
your way. But like it's you start feeling like you're
selling your soul and the audience starts going, I thought,
I know who you were, But now I'm a little confused,
and I'm like, yeah, me too, because I'm it's that
art and commerce balance, you know. So for me, it's
(17:24):
that getting the RV was this hugely freeing thing. For me,
it was like, let me explore my adventure, like that's
my form of adventure.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And I didn't really understand. Sorry, you literally travel in
the RV from Vegas here.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes, but I try. I've put thirty thousand miles on
it around the country with a driver. But then I
get behind that when I'm not napping on it between shows,
I'll get behind the wheel. Like last tour, I learned
how to downshift in this the same way Washington and Oregon.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, oh my god. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So it's become this little it's I feel like I
don't even know how how I would have been touring
the last couple of years without it, because tour buses,
the rental and the union drivers and the like, it's
a whole thing. So I've just figured out how do
you look.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
To pay for that?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh? Yeah, what like, we'll put it this way. So
when I did the mixtape tour with New Kids, like,
they pay me a lovely sum of money, but a
lot of it is going to the tour bus and
the driver, and the driver has to be in a
union and you can only drive certain hours and you
can I didn't. Girl. I parked this in a Walmart
parking lot. Me and my driver go, do you want
to sleep a few hours? You will sleep a few hours.
(18:32):
You get up and I jokingly say, you buy a
They make the best French cruller anywhere in Walmart. You
wake up and you're having your French Crawler and you're
buying like ten dollars pajamas you didn't know you needed. Yes, French,
is that which one is? It's like the no, it's
like the fluffy like Duncan makes it now in only
parts of the country. I know way too much about
the French croller. Maybe there's a recipe when we can
(18:55):
make our own wit something. They're kind of like just
fluffy or yes, they're kind of they're round, but they're
a little twisty, like yeah, they're they have like like
lind ridges in them, but they're like lighter than a
regular donut. They just are different. I don't know, a croller,
a French croler. It's like see ru e ll e r.
(19:18):
I think we have a picture. But yeah, so like
there's just a there's like a free flow in my
life right now. Anything that I don't oh, okay, anything
that I don't have to put on a schedule, I
don't want to, Like if I can play things to
the last minute and I'm gonna drive here or just
(19:38):
let like I just live my life in a way
that agrees with me, and I just I just design
it as best as I can. And yeah, I mean,
I just I look at I look at some artists
you know, on Instagram and whatever, and I think, oh
my god, Like I love Kylie Minogue and I think
she's like having the best career moment of her life.
(20:01):
And I also say, okay, the type a career woman
and me like wants to have that year. And then
I go that also suddenly looks exhausting to me. And
people think I'm working all the time, and they think,
oh my god, You're on the road all the time
and coming up it gets a little more intense. It's
still not as intense as most. I just make it
(20:22):
so that it's so like I love to think every
time I go out, I'm elevating. I'm elevating and I'm
creating moments and I'm doing things very specifically, and so
it feels bigger, faster, better, But it's actually not. It's
actually like I'm conserving my energy and then I'm like
high output. But it's in a very intentional way, and
(20:44):
it's it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm kind of just more peaceful and more comfortable in
my skin and happier with my art and all of
it than I've ever been. It's all very connected.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
When you were young, was it just like you just
want My stomach is going not saying oh yeah, I
know that's okay. It wants a croller right there you go, yes,
but I kind of want it savory, like can they
make that and drizzle like savory over it?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I have to shift like the sweet and savory this.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Take your boots off, get cozy, we're keeping all. I
have a heated weight at blanket. Would you like one? Okay? Good?
I want to get up.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I do.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I totally forgot I have the tension span of a gnat, Like, uh.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I'm saying, I don't know, it's really good.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
We don't fall off to bed.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
His moment, I was.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Saying, when you were younger, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, was it like was it crazy? Was it?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Is it just like go o go and in your
mind at the time, where you like, I have to
keep going because.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yes, everything's momentum based, and I'm sure it was for you.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Right, Look in the video you look very tall, and
I look like this little person here very.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's very Alice in Wonderland. So yeah, I mean I
think about like the tour bus days when I was younger,
and I didn't take anything in. It was just the
country was going by outside the window, and I didn't.
I was so fixated on being perfect on stage and
the schedule, and I was anxious all the time. And
(22:32):
I'm still a little anxious, but like some an adrenaline girl.
But but yeah, I just didn't. I didn't realize all
the things that life had to offer, you know, and now.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Could you You were young, you were going going going like.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And it's kind of like a practice too, like like
I do meet in greets, right, and I'll meet one
hundred people before my show or after my show. It
before and it's weirdly more energy. Yet it's more energy
than the sh I swear it is because every my
mom used to do this unbelievable impersonation of me at
meet and greets. And you've done a million autograph signings
(23:08):
and things where you know, you reset for every person.
You're like hi, and you and You're aware, I'm aware
this is this person's minute, you know, And I want
to make sure I'm like so engaged and so present.
I want to I want because they want to meet me,
but they want me to meet them. They want to
know Share said it like she said, they want they
(23:31):
want to know I met that. They want this is
somebody's moment to tell me their story and I want
to hear it, and so like, it's that that requires
like I don't know how teachers do what they do
because I like taught summer camps and programs and things.
It's like but it's that level of engagement. But it's
like you as a mom, right, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Not that engaged anymore. Wait, I feel like I gave
my best spears since oh my.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
God, But you know that present, like you're so in
it you don't even know how tired you are till
you're done. You're tired. I mean, so where's the show.
I'm a little more in control of that output, and
it's just different, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But yeah, yeah, meeting your fans. It's people can't quite
understand it because I know, like i'd been doing conventions now,
which I hadn't done a lot in the last few years.
We've been doing them, and they'll always be like, your
people are waiting too long. You got to go faster,
and I'm like, I can't. I can't go faster.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Because they tried to curfews at venues in a I know,
I want them.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Each to have that time. How can you say no,
like you know, you signed something and.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Go I know, and for you, like you think about
people were in You were in people's living rooms in
their most formative years, and I mean, it's so special
that they get to meet you.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm the though I still don't see it, like how
you know, influential we were as a TV show on
people's childhoods and lives and yeah, I can't see it either,
Like I understand it, right, but like you're talking about
it I'm like, well, yeah, like I can see like
for you as an outsider, I'm like, yes, it's huge
(25:21):
for people, but it's so hard to see it when
it's yourself, right right, It's just well, i'm here to
tell you, and I'm here to tell you made a.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Huge impact on people, and you were yeah, I mean
that show is just that show is really special.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Same sister, same. But see, what's great is a musician
you can keep going as an artist like.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And yes, it's a real like you know, people use
the word reinvent. I don't know if it's reinvent, but
it is, like you listen, it's again it's hard. I'm
not gonna lie. It's like my manager and I always
are like kind of.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Like are we there yet?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Just when I think like, oh, maybe I'll get a
little easier, like we'll go to that next echelon. And
then by the way, I said the what I said
earlier about big machines, but when you establish the thing
the way you want to, like, I did an album
called The Body Remembers, and I did a couple of
tours and now I'd want to partner. It's kind of
like being a romantic, right when you know who you are.
You're like, well, now I'd welcome the right partner because
(26:20):
we've already created the thing with the way we want
and you can't mess with that. But but if someone's
going to come along understand my creative vision and help
elevate it, I'm ready for that, you know, right, But like, yeah, no,
it's hard, and we're doing it the hard way. It's
like every venue and every like I have a small
team and everyone's doing like customer service all the time,
(26:41):
like with the venues and the fans and that, like
we just really it's it's really personal. You get what
you want, but it really is satisfying yourself and you do.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Like I heard Taylor.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Swift talking about this recently too, It's like it's the
ninety five percent of the stuff people don't see you
do that allows for that five percent magical time I
get to spend on stage, which is like the big
payoff for me. But the ninety five percent of like
the fourteen business hats you're wearing is the tiring part.
That's the hard part. And then you're and then I'm
kind of like, oh, shoot, I haven't worked on my
(27:12):
voice or the actual songs I'm doing the show are
because I'm busy putting it all, putting it all together.
So I'd like that to get a little easier. It's
a boy to be honest. But we're still making it
work and bringing a lot of joy to people. And
I'm rebuilding my touring career because I went into I
did a lot of theater, I did a lot of Broadway,
and so to come back and go, oh right, this
(27:34):
is really you know, this is what I started off doing,
and it's a rebuild, and there's people who are stuck
with me for many, many years. People were circling back
after three decades of losing track of me, and it's
really fun, it's really meaningful. It's really been a blast.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh my gosh. Did you ever get nervous performing?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh? Yeah, Like I said, I'm like, I'm an anxious person.
Like the most nerve wracking thing I'm about to do
as this acoustic tour because when I do, I'm an
adrenaline girl. And so usually i'd come out and I
do three big energy you know, high energy numbers. I'm
dancing whatever, and then I ease my way into the ballads.
This is me coming out a piano I might bring
(28:12):
one musician with me. I haven't decided, but it's like
it's on me, and it's I have to be grounded
and in this certain place. I've done things like this before,
but not in a long time, so I know I'm
going to be like I have to figure out the
new way of preparing for this particular show to kind
of be set in a in a kind of zending
(28:33):
place before I go out. So yeah, that's I do
I get as a kid where you like, like, what
was your first big performance?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Like how many? Like massive?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I mean, you know, it was kind of a build
because I would perform in clubs for you know, two
hundred people at a time or whatever, two hundred of
drunken people at a time trying to pick someone up,
going like who's this little white chick trying to sing
some song about dream shot? And uh, I just always
(29:04):
just had that like ambition. I just always wanted to
get like shut up and listen to the music people
and uh. But the biggest I mean I just remember
some of like the radio shows I started performing at,
like I remember was so random. I remember doing one
in Tampa at the Zoo with the Monkeys. It was
like one of those big crowds as far as the
(29:26):
I can see. But it kind of built to where
I was doing like clubs and then colleges and then
like you know the tour where I did Radio City
and I did the Greek and then it went into
the arenas and it was like relatively fast. But also
it was so I did clubs for like nine months.
I did like three shows a night, four nights a week,
(29:46):
and so nine months into my career, I was like
exhausted and people were just hearing about me, right, So
it's interesting because things were a little different from my perspective.
But yeah, but then I did like the Rock and
Rio festival, you know, like seventy five thousand people and
one hundred thousand people. But it's weird. The bigger, the
(30:06):
bigger the crowd, the easier it was, really, yeah, because
it's just built on many people.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
What do you see, Like, what is it from your perspective?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I mean, it's just kind of this wall of energy
and adrenaline excitement, So like that makes it, in my opinion,
makes it makes it easier. Again, it's when you have
to me, when you have to hold a smaller, more
discerning room That's why doing Broadway like doing a miz
you know, you get out there to sing on my own,
pretending he's this side. You know, the pie notes coming.
Everyone's seated, they're in toxes, They've paid a lot of money,
(30:39):
they know what they're like, They're expecting something specific, and
like that's where nerve. I mean, I was always nervous
before Broadway performances, and I had a very regimented life
and routine. And you know if people say, like, are
you coming back to Broadway, and I'm like, again, like
the things you have to sacrifice to do eight shows
a week, it's kind of sing like you live like
(31:01):
a monk, Like you can't. It's your living for that,
you know, that pristine kind of thing that both like,
it's a lot, it's intense, and I did a lot
of it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
So I'm again anxiety.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You talk about it, Yeah, Wow, it's like doing the anthem.
I did the anthem at the World Series when Kirk
Gibson hit the winning run eighty eight I think it
was eighty eight. It was the most petrifying minute and
twenty seconds of my entire life, and uh yeah, and
usually what would happen with me is I'd get myself
to the place to do the thing, and then afterwards
I'd fall apart. Really oh yeah, I'd be like come
(31:36):
out of here, geme me out here. I need a
brown paper breathing in a brown paper bag, xanax all
of it. Because I was. I was really anxious all
the time, and I was fatigued. Yes, I do not often,
but when I.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Do, whoo And did they come on from? Like stress? Anxiety?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Like work thousand percent? Like stress?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I have that moment down You're just like.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yes and g I like if I'm not eating great
and I'm stressed and yeah, yeah, Like I went recently
went to see Neo's concert in at the Wind in Vegas.
I had a migraine the next day. And I think
it's because I ate Asian food, which I don't usually eat.
I'm in that recycled air and all the smoke and
the chemicals and you know, people are smoking pot everywhere
(32:18):
in rooms and like it's chemistry for me. That gets
me too.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I can't believe you were going to be fifty four.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I am.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
She has like barely any makeup on her skin is perfect.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
This is oh my god, No, I have line I
have lines. Listen. Last year I had a little disport,
and I'm always like I would say to my dancers
Buddy and Eddie, who are too, They're my choreographers, choreographers
and my besties. I'm always like I miss my old forehead.
But again, like me and chemistry, like weird things happen,
and so I'm like entertaining it again because when you're
(32:52):
touring and people are just pictures and videos and everything's
so close up, and I know I look at myself
and off.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
But I'm here to say I'm sitting literally right in
front of her and she looks gay, thank you. But
I know that perfect forehead that when I watch TV
shows there's actresses our age and I'm like, wait, how
did they have the perfect forehead? Like what I know,
where did they go? What did they use?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
And when they use too much and nothing moves, I'm
really not happy. You're just like I'm expressing internally, but
I might want a little light light something again, just
because I start looking like you can't see this is
not close up, but between like I do the nose
scrunch and then like I have the.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Call that the rabbit is it? The rabbit ears oh, I.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Don't know, and then I have deviated septums, so I
just start looking like a crazy person right here right there.
Oh my god, But I still look like me. And
that's why I like, I just want to always walk
that line, because I do think people want to see.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah you people say I've had like gazillion plastic surgeries
face and I'm like, it's so weird to me because
I have and I've had my nose done and yeah,
I mean I've had but.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
You had a time like when you're kicking right, I
was like to me, Yeah, it's totally crooked.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I'm like scared to do it again because I'm like,
what if it doesn't look like me?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
No, you look great? You look great? Do you have
hardly any makeup on today? Too?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And yoursense great.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I feel like this generation I say this like to
my audience all the time. I feel like we're like
just it's We're a super vital generation that does not
want to be put out to pasture. I'm just so
tired of like I remember growing up with the like
after forty you can't wear this, and you know, like right,
I might, you know, as a choice sometime wear Chanel
(34:42):
suit or something, but not likely, Like I'm usually not
happy in a blazer. I'm not happy in a I'm not.
I'm just I have a youthful now.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, I had for.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Rock and roll kind of and you should always keep that.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right, yeah, because I'm not doing it for someone else.
I like how I look and I feel good. And
when I want to wear something different, I'll wear something different.
But I'm not gonna dress because I'm told i should
dress a certain way.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And she looks so hot, you guys, like, thank you.
We were outside in front of my house and I
was sitting on the ground and you were squatting, literally squatting,
and she held that post while we talked for how long?
Oh my god, I was so jealous.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Ah, your body is insane.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Ah, thank you. I don't know, I just I've become
more relaxed about my body though, Like right now, I
have like I have like the fun I wear what
you know, flatters it, but I have like the five
to seven whatever. But I'm like, you know what, I'm
enjoying eating bread and not caring and like there's just
a balance. I always say there's just a balance and
(35:49):
it's and it's decisions. It's like, you know what, I
might not be able to fit in that pair of
jeans right now, but I enjoy the freedom of eating
the way I want, you know, within whatever the parameters
I set for myself are and all the things. And
but that freedom shows up in your being, doesn't it?
Like it again, if your life is agreeing with you.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, I'm not like rigid.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Do you work out a lot?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I don't, That's the thing. So I was the over
worker out were you like the tybo and the yoga
and the cardio on that because I used to do
all the like over like tibo.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I with all my friends and I was always the
first one to leave or go hide in the corner.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
But you know when we used to do the like over,
you know, join the Rebok Sports club and do the Yeah.
And what I learned about that was like my back
started going out because my adrenals were crashing, like you
can't when you end for women of a certain age,
if your cortisol is getting if you're like so, if
(37:02):
you're over working out, like I find, it's like so
much of it is eating for me to keep myself
looking how I want. But it's you know, I just
eat things in moderation, but also flowy things like I
do like a nice walk jog walk, jog on the beach,
you know. I jump on the peloton a little. I
dance in my I just try to stay in motion.
But when I get like on stage, I output to
(37:24):
the point where, like I mean, my lungs are like
are you freaking kidding me? But if I even with that,
I swear to you, a day or two later, I
look like I have more weight on me because the
cortisol levels are doing that, and so it's not about
intensely working out for me anymore. But I have like muscle,
like I have biceps from the twenty thirty years I
(37:48):
did biceps and now it's just muscle memory.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
You have no skin under your arm too.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I have a little bit a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
My mom used to They would her and her friends
would joke when I was young, like oh the wave
goodbye on ye, Like Mom, that's so embarrassing. I don't
even know what she's saw. And I'm like, holy only.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
That's that again. That's that margin where like for me,
I have to be underweight for that to go away.
So I'm just like, but no, I'm not doing like
triceps these days and all that, but I and I
should do a little probably, But I'm telling you my
energy is always like I have an on season and
an off season, and my body doesn't want me to
work too hard physically in the off season. I have
(38:34):
to kind of save it up a little bit and
just do everything kind of light.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I love that you know yourself so well.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
But that's the thing too, So you know what I
feel like everybody like that's the thing. Because I've had
friends go like, you need to drink lemon water. I'm like, no,
you need to drink lemon water, because what happens when
I drink it just goes right, Like my stomach acts
like I have an ulcer all the time, Like I
have to be at bland. And so there's no one
size fits all any thing.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
True.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You have to know yourself, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, but also just what you want in life.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
One thousand percent one thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Like I just turned fifty one and I'm still like, wait,
what is it I want in life?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Like and what is it you want next? Like do
you have a thing that and how old is your
youngest child, Devin, Wow, so you have a little while
do you have ten years?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Of yeah, super hands on. But see sixty one these
days is young, so you're gonna have this whole other chapter.
Tell me sixty one when you're sixty one, So you're
fifty one now, two years right when you're youngest to seventeen.
That's still like a whole fresh I look at my my,
you know, pop singer peers like Belinda Carlisle, like she's like,
(39:48):
what sixty four sixty five, like these women who are
just rocking it in their shah yah. Right, So you're
gonna have this whole it's different now, yeah, but it
sounds like also you have right because your your single
now again. But yeah, what I don't know, Like for
me the r V, I didn't know I wanted that adventure,
but I started seeing them on the road and I
(40:08):
got this little thing in my head about it, and
then I just once I get the thing in my head,
I have to do it really yeah, but it ends
up happening. Do you have any of those types of Oh.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Sure, I mean there's so much I want to do.
I mean it's more like I'm very work driven so
it is hard for me to find that balance between
children and work and then finding a little bit of
myself somewhere there. And I think having gone through my
(40:41):
X and I sweating up and really doing that, I'm
able to see a little bit more of myself there
because I'm finally like, okay, I have to put myself
out free, you know, free, whoa I'm like just coming out.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
That's okay, don't at it.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, okay, I guess that's what my body wanted to say.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, right, yeah, a thousand per se. But really I
would imagine like every partnership, like I wasn't a ten
year thing, and he and I are still friends, but yeah,
do you live your life differently? You know? And again
I speaking from somebody who's been solo for most of
my life really and especially the last five years. It's fun,
(41:21):
it's nice. And again, I know you have the kids
in their schedule and everything.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
So it's the oldest one writing ten years. So let's
say he's seventeen. Let's say when he's eighteen, I'm sixty two.
I could then maybe meet somebody and have like a
whole life because the kids will be out there else,
they'll be on their own doing their own thing, although
I don't really want them to leave. I don't want
to go really.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
And in the meantime you can meet people now too,
but again you can also just do things for you.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I'm not very good at being alone.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
You think, just because you're used to it, or well,
I say.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
That, but I don't really know. I've never been alone.
Maybe I would be great at.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
It, And I'm like the weirdly the opposite. So I
keep saying, Oh, I think I really want a partner now,
and then when it's eight PM and I'm watching a
movie with my two dogs ands, I'm like, I'm so
glad nobody's here right now. Now. A lot of that,
weirdly is because I use my voice a lot for
singing and sometimes I don't want to talk.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I love that a lot.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Excessively, and so like the fantasy is that I have
this partner who totally understands that, like like I would
like I do want I do want to have someone
where I could just be like, be quiet, just be
in somebody's presence and be comfortable, relaxed, and that does
appeal to me. Now, Like I put that to the universe,
that i'd want that now.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, maybe it's not after eight pm, like they just
hang with you and then they leave it.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Eight the right, it's just quiet time.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, it's never quite in my house. Like you just
reference that like being in bed with your dogs and
it's eight o'clock and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I know, because I hear from my sisters with kids.
It's like, yeah, I know. It's a very I live
a very different life, but I also sometimes have the
opposite feeling where I'm like, oh, it would be fun
to have a little crew around right now. It's built
in energy, right, and it's built in focus because sometimes
I'm also so alone with my thoughts and my emotions.
(43:17):
It's like stupid because it's like nobody should be this,
it should have this much time alone with their Especially
in that RV. I'm always like it's just a recipe
for being in your feelings. It's like four walls twenty
five feet and you're just like there's nothing to do
but cry. Like that's what happens sometimes to me.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, you watch movies, Well, what do you mean you can?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I mean I do, but yeah, it is a lot
of like introspection to a degree, there's like probably a
balance between your scenario and my scenario.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh my god, imagine if we like trade it lives
for a week.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I'm feeling it's another idea Hallmark movie.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
We're trading one Hallmark.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Oh, I'm way Tootflix. I know I've done some Hallmark
and yeah, I think I'm on the edge for Hallmark
these days too, weirdly, like I'm not the edgiest person,
but for Hallmarks sometimes, yeah, I think maybe. But okay,
so we'll bring it to Netflix and trade lives. We're
switching lives. You're going on the road to Yeah, harvy girl.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh, I don't know if I could tour.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
I grew in your concert, and I would not send
your kids out to school looking like they're supposed to do,
because I don't. I don't dress a kid for school
or anything like that. Oh my god, it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
I've gotten so lazy with my youngest one because there's
so many at night. I put him in his clothes
for the day next day and convinced.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It's cool to do that. My god, that is so funny.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yes, dinner, he takes his back, oh my god. Sometimes,
and I'm just kidding. He always takes his bad it's hysterical.
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But then I'll be like he dude,
Like I rationalize with him, and he's good at that.
I was like, you know, it'll save like an extra
five minutes if we get dressed now, and then you
(45:12):
sleep later and I can sleep later. Wink wink. And yeah,
he's so he sleeps in his clothes. That is really funny.
My bad, mom, No.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I think listen. I think if you're getting through it,
you're good every day school, very few days, so we'll
see how it goes. But so far, so good. Any
plans for your birthday? You know, I did this really
awesome friends dinner last year with like thirty people at
this great French restaurant Juliette, And then this year, I'm like,
(45:47):
I might be here. It might be Vegas. I might
be literally behind the wheel of my RV the day
of my birthday, which could be kind of weirdly fun.
Might be hold up with my dogs watching a movie.
Might be at dinner with some friends. Like I would
like whatever falls in my lap this year and feels convenient,
and like I'm just going to be totally in the
moment about it. I have no desire for planning in
(46:09):
advance at all this year.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Great.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
No, my fiftieth was, by the way, My fiftieth was
during COVID and I had a Zoom party and do
you know Richard Whites, My friend Richard White, thank you
have w co chair of wm ME. I figure you
guys know each other. He hosted and was said, narrated.
My friend Matt Oss British popster, he played and sang
(46:35):
and yeah, all my friends were on Zoom Entertainment tonight
sent me over a cake which my neighbor knocked on
the door and delivered it to me. And when the
party was done, I closed my laptop and I went
up to my room with my dogs, and I was like,
I am so happy I didn't have to think about
a big fiftieth bash, which inevitably someone would have got offended.
(46:57):
I would have forgotten my advisor. I wouldn't have wanted
to invite.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
All the pressure, too much pressure, I loved.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I'm kind of weirdly again, I'm like Hibernational and I
don't need big to dos all the time. And I'm
the same, so it depends Yet where I am like somebody,
somebody can take me to brunch if they want or whatever.
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Get her a French crouler from French.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
For a French croller. That's it. That's it. Put a
candle in it. I'm good.
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Tori Spelling
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