June 16, 2025 • 24 mins
Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Lisa Hankins.
Topic: Her book Beyond the Chair and life after the beauty industry.
🔑 Key Themes & Takeaways:
- Purpose of the Book – "Beyond the Chair"
- The book is a guide for professionals, especially in the beauty industry, who are seeking to transition into new roles or careers.
- It addresses fear, personal growth, and the importance of stepping out of comfort zones.
- Lisa’s Journey
- Lisa spent 35 years in the beauty industry.
- She experienced physical tolls from the job, including lung issues and back injuries, partly due to prolonged exposure to chemicals like relaxers and hair product fumes.
- A back injury in 2012 forced her to leave the industry at age 50.
- Health & Safety in the Beauty Industry
- Lisa highlighted the dangers of chemical exposure and lack of protective measures (e.g., not using gloves).
- She emphasized the need for awareness about long-term health risks for stylists and barbers.
- Faith and Planning
- Lisa credits her faith and careful financial planning (savings, insurance, retirement funds) for enabling her smooth transition.
- She encourages others to prepare financially and spiritually for life changes.
- Overcoming Fear
- Fear is a major barrier to change. Lisa stresses the importance of faith, belief in oneself, and having a support system.
- She quotes scripture and shares motivational insights to inspire others to move “beyond the chair.”
- Broader Message
- The book is not just for beauty professionals—it’s for anyone feeling stuck in a role or phase of life.
- Everyone has a “chair” they need to move beyond.
- Technology & AI
- Lisa discusses the role of social media in the beauty industry.
- She shares a humorous anecdote about AI and plagiarism concerns in her ministry training.
- Writing Process
- The book took two years to complete, with interruptions due to health issues.
- Lisa relied on faith and perseverance to finish it.
- SMART Goals & Retreats
- She advocates for setting SMART goals and writing things down to stay focused.
- A retreat experience helped her reflect and clarify her purpose.
📚 Where to Find the Book:
- Available on Amazon.
- Search for Beyond the Chair by Lisa Hankins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi. I am Rashan McDonald, a host the weekly Money
Making Conversation Masterclass show. The interviews and information that this
show provides are for everyone. It's time to stop reading
other people's success stories and start living your own. If
you want to be a guest on my show, please
visit our website, Moneymakingconversations dot com and click the be
a Guest button. Chris submit and information will come directly
(00:23):
to me. Now let's get this show started. My guest
is the author of Beyond the Chair. She offers practical
advice and spiritual insights to help people discover their true purpose,
and the book addresses the transitions the professionals, especially in
the beauty industry, face when seeking a new career of
leadership role. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. Lisa Hankins.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
How you doing, Lisa, I'm fine, Hawriy you were song.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Beyond the Chair.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Tell us about that title, Wow, Beyond the Chair. I
tell you that title means a lot to me. That
title from my heart, my soul and everything else. But
when I looked up other people had it, I said, WHOA.
I guess everybody was still on the same rim that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I was.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But this is about this is about you know, when
I read the book and I saw the title, See,
I always talk about, you know, people making decisions in
their lives. There's so many people who are people who
sit behind the desk. They's see people who sit in
the back of the class. They don't want to challenge themselves.
And that was the first thought that came to mind
(01:33):
when I saw Beyond the Chair about overcoming fears. And
when I read the book, that's exactly what it's about.
It's about people who are not willing to push themselves
to the next level.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Correct, that's correct. There's so many people that's still sitting
behind the chair because they're afraid to come from behind
the chair. And that's why I had wrote the book.
It is because I noticed that so many people that
still like seventy well actually fifty eight, well let me
say fifty five, it's still sitting behind the chair when
(02:08):
they should be coming from behind the chair by now
and thinking of other things to do besides of what
they're still doing. So I would go ahead, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I apologize because when you heard that, because I'm always
promoting the fact that never allow age to be an
excuse I'm always promoting that, and so, you know, as
you go through her book, I'm talking to Lisa. You know,
she talks about always educating herself, always pushing herself to
learn more. But one thing, my daughter, when she goes
(02:42):
to the beauty's lawn every other week, she always sends
us a photo of her walking out happy. She always
happy when she walks out of the beauty's law And
I would think that you being that close to individuals.
How many years were you in the beauty industry.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I was in the beauty industry for about thirty five years.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So there's a lot of different people you had to
be able to create relationships about it. Tell us about
that experience, Well.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Wow, let me see, oh goodness, Well, being in the
beauty industry with me was fun, was exciting, and I
guess I can say it was a lot of psychiatry.
That was a lot of people's psychiatrists, and being in
that industry, I had to pull back because actually I
(03:36):
hurt a lot. When I say hurt a lot, I
had to have different types of surgeries after that, and
so I was like being in that industry, you have
to look at yourself and say, when you know when
is when is the time to put it all down?
(03:58):
And so it's a lot of people that's in that industry.
They don't know when to stop, when to give it up,
you know, and when to throw in that towel. It's
a lot of chemicals that that's killing a lot of
scholars and they're not really in a lot of bobbers
(04:20):
and they're not really realizing it. And speaking of chemicals,
let's talk about relaxes, let's talk about the blow dryer
with the smoke coming in the in the nostrils, into
the lungs. You know, it's a lot of things that
they don't know when to throw in that towel. So
(04:43):
I was one of them to experience it. And so
to answer that question, I just say, you know, it's
a when how and then knowing when to stop kind
of situation and preparing for advice afterwards.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, it sounds like, you know, and we're keeping
everything real, you know, because I've read what the FDA
was banning attempting the band hair relaxes because of the
fact that it was causing a carcinogenic illnesses, especially for
women of color, all these years. And now you're talking
because I've never had an individual in the beauty industry
(05:26):
talk like this, And I appreciate your honesty because of
the fact that you know, while you're creating beauty, you're
also hurting yourself physically.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yes, yes you are, and people don't. Okay, So when
I say smoke right, you know how when the blow
dryer hit the hair and the smoke goes into the nostrils,
people is not realizing they it's called different types of things.
Happened to the law right, and people like smoke cigarettes
(05:59):
for instance, you damaged me more than you think, and
then you end up with this thing that's called I forget,
what's called plurisy. I went to the hospital many times
for plurisy. I did not realize what was causing my
(06:20):
lung to mess up. At first, the doctor he would
step on saying you have pluriity, and I was like plurisy,
But they was like, do you inhale smoke? Yes? It
was because of that because I was in hell and
a lot of smoke from the hair chemicals. And then
you talk about the chemical of the relaxer. Well, some
(06:42):
of us don't put on gloves. Some of us put
relaxes on without gloves and people not realizing that your
fingertips is also containing the chemical from the relaxer. So
all the years that you hold on and you know
that you put the apply to relaxes onto people's hair,
(07:04):
you're you're holding up, you're catching the same chemicals that
they catching. The next thing you know, you got cancer
or they have cancer or whatever. You know, people not
realizing that these chemicals is causing a domino effect right
not only on their life, but on their line.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And then along the way, when did you feel because
you left it fifty.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Correct, I left at fifty Yeah, So when did you.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Start saying I got to get out when I said
this is not for me. But I want to ask
that question first. I want to get answered for that,
and then I got another question after you answer the question.
When you started saying this is something's not right, I
got to get out of this is not I gotta
get beyond the chair.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay. So to answer that question, I was a CNA
PCT working in the hospital. Actually let me let me rewind.
So I used to be in the military and I
had injured my back in the military in nineteen ninety three,
and so in August of two thousand and nine, mean
(08:11):
twenty twelve, I reinjured it moving a patient while I
was in the hospital. And so because I was a
CNA PCT too as well doing hair as well too,
and so I was moving a patient in twenty twelve,
and that's when it all happened. That's when I said,
you know what, I had to have back surgery and
(08:33):
I can no longer do hair, and that's why I
had to come out of the hair industry.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
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(09:03):
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Speaker 2 (09:08):
And that's when it all happened.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But when you're afraid, or if not afraid, what was
your surrounding support group that enabled you to make that
decision even physically you knew you had to make it anyway?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, no, never afraid, never afraid to move, and never
afraid to make any Let me tell you so, coming
from behind the chair, I already had everything that's established
for myself because I already have had iris, I had bonds,
(09:45):
saving bonds, I had a great husband. Oh my god,
I have a great husband behind me. And also I'm
a veteran and so therefore, no, I already had everything
on the set ground for myself. So I was not
afraid of make it moves or whatever. And you know
my four three b or what have you. And so no,
(10:08):
I wasn't afraid of making any moves. I have poll
life insurance and everything else. So no, not afraid. I
wasn't afraid. That's how come I wrote another thing. Why
I wrote this book because I was like, let me
show these people on how to do it. Now, if
I took the military out of it, I still had
(10:30):
something to fall back on. And so that's why again
I was like, I can show the people on how
to make this and make their life be a better
life for themselves because it can happen.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
That's what I like about you. That's like about this
doing you planned. It's not by accident. If faith is
tied into it. Yeah, but there's a lot of solid
planning and steps.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yes, yeah, it's a lot of planning. You got to
put money to a side. You got to put five dollars,
ten dollars, twenty or one hundred dollars to a side.
Every time you do a client or every time you
get a paycheck, you have to put some money to
decide for your life. You know what I'm saying. Don't
(11:20):
get just regular life insurance. Don't get term life insurance.
Get a whole life insurant so you can borrow from
Get something and then put some ras to the side.
Get a saving bonds or something. Get something to help
yourself so when something bad happened like this, like something
that happened to me, because it can happen just the
click of a finger. Get something to help yourself so
(11:44):
you can have something to fall back on because something
you just don't know when it's gonna happen. Pashan, you
don't know what they say. Life be life and.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You fired up. Now to you, we like to bring
you back on this show now. I want that Lisa.
I want that Lisa right there to start my show
next time. You know what I'm saying, because you know,
this is a journey. This is a journey, and I
always I've always learned people about me, is that you
the more they interview with me, the more they get
a rhythm about what I want from them, what I'm
trying to achieve on this show. Been a great interview.
(12:19):
But I love that last those nuggets you were just
flying off about just dropping out now days on little
you need to talk to me. Okay, you got to
stop missing your word. You're talking to Rushan McDonald. I
can tell you kind of couching your language yet.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, I'm about to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I walked. When I walked, broke this book about about
two years ago. I started on it about two years ago,
and then I put it down because I was like,
it's so many, so many things that came, you know,
that happened to me, as far as my back isshoe
and everything else. And so when I put it down,
I said, you know what, I have to finish this book.
(12:57):
And I was like, but I did not have the
words to say, and I did not have the thing,
you know, the right tools to do it. And then
I said, you know what, let me pick this book
back up. And I said, well, father, I need your help,
and and I was like, well, I have the faith
that you will help me finish it. And that's what
(13:19):
I did. I had to stand on his I had
to stand on faith to finish it. I couldn't walk
through that door not to not to have that faith,
because if you don't have that faith, you can't you
can't finish anything right, And if you don't have God
behind you, you can't finish nothing, you know, And that's
what That's what happened with me.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It's important that people understand what I'm trying to do him.
You know, when you when you when you're communicating. You know,
because it's a really good book, and because her takeaway
in the book is about she's in the beauty industry,
but the lessons learned and the takeaway can be used
and applied if you working at IBM, or you working
(14:01):
at Apple, or you working at a delicatessen, if you're
working at a college professor, if you at a point
in your life where you don't know that you're not happy,
are you physically stressed, and you don't know how to
get from behind that chair. There's a lot of things
(14:23):
waiting on you. But guess what. Fear will keep you
behind that chair more than anything. And that's a big problem.
How does one overcome that fear before we go to break?
Can you can you tell help us out right there, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
For God has not given us the spirit of fear,
but he gave us the power of love and a
sound mind. And the only way that you can get
over that fear is to believe in Him and know
that He is God. And the only way that you're
going to go beyond that chair. He also addresses the
(14:58):
fears with stepping out of your comfort zone. It comes
out of knowledge of faith and ascertainties, and you've got
to believe that you can pursue your dreams and transition
into a new phase of life. And that's the only
way that you can do it is believe that you
can do it and beyond that, because beyond is a
(15:19):
word that it to take you there, you have to
go beyond beyond. Wow, life.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I got you. My guess is least or her book
Beyond the Chair. There's a book about life transformative ideas.
When you wrote the book, you said two years ago
you put it down and faith and passion told you that.
You know, you stood on the shoulders and say, hey,
I'm gonna write this book. Can you tell us what
market share? Who are you directing this book to and
(15:52):
what is to take away you want people to have
when they read this book?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Well, well, the market I want to with the whole world. Actually,
it doesn't matter if it's if you're a hairstylist, barber,
It doesn't matter if you and the whatever industry you in,
It doesn't matter. It has to be with anyone. It
values everyone because everybody has a life, right, everybody has
(16:20):
a chair, they want to come from behind. It doesn't matter.
It markets everyone. And so that's what I'm all about.
It that's what the book is all.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
About, right, you know, like like anything, and as things change,
can you tell us okay, like I said, you started
you as eighteen and then you walked away from the business.
Technology played a role and you see it and grow
in this business. How is technology being leveraged in the
beauty industry? You know here by AI and all these
(16:52):
is it's just the same thing. There's no technology isn't
creeping into the beauty industry. Please help educate me as
well as my audience about technology and the beauty industry.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Social media, it's all about social media getting out there.
But AI I still away from AI. AI get you
in trouble. You know what I'm saying, AI get you
in trouble. Actually, I'm in m I T school right, Mistry.
(17:24):
It's called Minister and Training. And uh they said, Lisa
and anybody in here, if you find out you're using AI,
you going to get put out. I'm like what that
was like At the time, I did not know what AI?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
What?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
What's it is?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
AIM?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And I was like, you can use AI and write
a sermon? Know that the top of my head. Wait
a minute, And so I said, you know what, I said, Well,
I guess I can't use AI, so you.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Could, so lista. You're telling me you could write a
sermon through AI. Just just just put in the problem.
That's what.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Listen, I'm staying away from AI. Stay over here in
this corner. Use grammarly. People use grammarly, right, that's me.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I'm a grammarly guy. I thank you that. But something
like a young lady recently she got got suspended because
she used it. She used grammarly. You know, so you
have to be careful when you're using technology. You can't
use grammarly because that can be considered plagiarism. That can
be considered plagiarism. In college college different college assignment to
a young ladies just like kennessas State here in Georgia
(18:40):
was suspended of courses because she used grammarly you know,
you know, you know. One of the things Lisa, when
I was reading your when I was reading your book
is about retreats. We can't retreat, you know, and you
talk will require you to write a letter. And I
thought it was really important, you know, because you know,
you learn something about yourself when you write things down,
when you set goals, not just in your head and
(19:03):
putting them off, when you write things down. And I
thought it was really compelling when you went to this
weekend retreat and they required you to write a letter,
tell us about that experience.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, so you have to write a letter. You write notes,
You write things to yourself so you can write things
down so you can memorize them and everything else. And
that's what I did. And that's the only way that
I can memorize things, because I'll tell you, if I
don't write it down, trust and believe a girl would
not hold it in their minds myself going right right,
(19:36):
I have a lot going on. I tell you, I'm
a busy kind of girl. And just like today I
was writing somemer I was like, okay, so what did
I just say? Okay, you know, as you get older,
you got to write stuff down. So yeah, I write
notes to myself and try to keep things going for myself.
So therefore that's what happens with me.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, it's really interesting, Lisa, thank you for coming
on my show talking about your book on the Chair,
you know, practical advice and spiritual insights to help people
discover their true purpose. What is your true purpose when
we talk about that, because right now you seem to
be an advocate of change right now?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yes, well, see, change can come daunting, it's a fear,
it's unknowing and hold us back. Right it embraces change,
and it's an overcome fear to es central pursuing your
calling and transition to a new road. That's in my book.
I love that part.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I know.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You almost got a little sermon there that at least
I'm about thirty some money come on that preached preaks
preats because you know, you know, because when people come
on my show, you know, they so used to you know,
like sometimes not being themselves. And I try to position
people to be themselves on my show to be authentic,
you know, speak your truth, you know, because of the
fact that people value honesty, people value information that they
(20:59):
didn't know. I was I was getting excited when I'm like,
you're telling me things I didn't know because in fact,
you know, you know you're reaching in for these chemicals,
and we all know your your skin is porous, so
you know you can, like they'll tell you if you
if you're putting out a parison or you're putting out
a weed killer, they'll tell you put on gloves because
they tell you not to not to put that, not
(21:21):
to consume that on your hand, because it can penetrate
your skin, you know. And people are thinking they just
go through this life casually, and people at home doing
the same thing with their little home kits, you know,
going getting the relaxing from the store, not realizing that
this may be why I'm sick. This I may be
making myself look be sick and trying to look good
(21:42):
at the same time, and you can't do both sometimes.
But the thing that also inspired me about your book
and I want to get there for sure, is about
how you really talk about setting goals using the smart framework.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, that's a good question. How do I say about
doing that? That is a good question. I just was
talking to someone about that earlier today. And to do
my framework is simple is just staying on top of
(22:19):
the game, right, right, You have to stay on top
of the game when you're doing your framework. And also
it's the smart way of doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well, here's the here's the question I wanted to I
want to say to you, Linton. When I was interviewing
the incredible Yolanda Adams, you know, strong in her faith,
and I'm I'm business. I'm business. I'm business and I was,
I said, and I was asking about faith and business
and she said, well, Seann is the same because I
was trying to separate the two. And then you know,
(22:56):
I always I always called my guests prior to the
interview and we start talking about your faith and that
plays a big role in the writing of this book.
How can we get your book, Lisa? Where can we
go and get your book?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yes, you can get my books on Amazon or Amazon
Beyond the Chair by Lisa Hankins. Also you can go
on ingram Spark. That's I in GA mean I in
g R A M. Spark Beyond the chair by Lisa
Hankins and also you can look me up on Facebook
(23:32):
and also on Twitter on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, Lisa, I want to thank you for coming on
my show and thank you again for coming on money
Making Conversation Masterclass. Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
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Hi. I am Rashan McDonald, a host the weekly Money
Making Conversation Masterclass show. The interviews and information that this
show provides are for everyone. It's time to stop reading
other people's success stories and start living your own. If
you want to be a guest on my show, please
visit our website, Moneymakingconversations dot com and click the be
a Guest button. Chris submit and information will come directly
(00:23):
to me. Now let's get this show started. My guest
is the author of Beyond the Chair. She offers practical
advice and spiritual insights to help people discover their true purpose,
and the book addresses the transitions the professionals, especially in
the beauty industry, face when seeking a new career of
leadership role. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. Lisa Hankins.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
How you doing, Lisa, I'm fine, Hawriy you were song.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Beyond the Chair.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Tell us about that title, Wow, Beyond the Chair. I
tell you that title means a lot to me. That
title from my heart, my soul and everything else. But
when I looked up other people had it, I said, WHOA.
I guess everybody was still on the same rim that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I was.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But this is about this is about you know, when
I read the book and I saw the title, See,
I always talk about, you know, people making decisions in
their lives. There's so many people who are people who
sit behind the desk. They's see people who sit in
the back of the class. They don't want to challenge themselves.
And that was the first thought that came to mind
(01:33):
when I saw Beyond the Chair about overcoming fears. And
when I read the book, that's exactly what it's about.
It's about people who are not willing to push themselves
to the next level.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Correct, that's correct. There's so many people that's still sitting
behind the chair because they're afraid to come from behind
the chair. And that's why I had wrote the book.
It is because I noticed that so many people that
still like seventy well actually fifty eight, well let me
say fifty five, it's still sitting behind the chair when
(02:08):
they should be coming from behind the chair by now
and thinking of other things to do besides of what
they're still doing. So I would go ahead, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I apologize because when you heard that, because I'm always
promoting the fact that never allow age to be an
excuse I'm always promoting that, and so, you know, as
you go through her book, I'm talking to Lisa. You know,
she talks about always educating herself, always pushing herself to
learn more. But one thing, my daughter, when she goes
(02:42):
to the beauty's lawn every other week, she always sends
us a photo of her walking out happy. She always
happy when she walks out of the beauty's law And
I would think that you being that close to individuals.
How many years were you in the beauty industry.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I was in the beauty industry for about thirty five years.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So there's a lot of different people you had to
be able to create relationships about it. Tell us about
that experience, Well.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Wow, let me see, oh goodness, Well, being in the
beauty industry with me was fun, was exciting, and I
guess I can say it was a lot of psychiatry.
That was a lot of people's psychiatrists, and being in
that industry, I had to pull back because actually I
(03:36):
hurt a lot. When I say hurt a lot, I
had to have different types of surgeries after that, and
so I was like being in that industry, you have
to look at yourself and say, when you know when
is when is the time to put it all down?
(03:58):
And so it's a lot of people that's in that industry.
They don't know when to stop, when to give it up,
you know, and when to throw in that towel. It's
a lot of chemicals that that's killing a lot of
scholars and they're not really in a lot of bobbers
(04:20):
and they're not really realizing it. And speaking of chemicals,
let's talk about relaxes, let's talk about the blow dryer
with the smoke coming in the in the nostrils, into
the lungs. You know, it's a lot of things that
they don't know when to throw in that towel. So
(04:43):
I was one of them to experience it. And so
to answer that question, I just say, you know, it's
a when how and then knowing when to stop kind
of situation and preparing for advice afterwards.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, it sounds like, you know, and we're keeping
everything real, you know, because I've read what the FDA
was banning attempting the band hair relaxes because of the
fact that it was causing a carcinogenic illnesses, especially for
women of color, all these years. And now you're talking
because I've never had an individual in the beauty industry
(05:26):
talk like this, And I appreciate your honesty because of
the fact that you know, while you're creating beauty, you're
also hurting yourself physically.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yes, yes you are, and people don't. Okay, So when
I say smoke right, you know how when the blow
dryer hit the hair and the smoke goes into the nostrils,
people is not realizing they it's called different types of things.
Happened to the law right, and people like smoke cigarettes
(05:59):
for instance, you damaged me more than you think, and
then you end up with this thing that's called I forget,
what's called plurisy. I went to the hospital many times
for plurisy. I did not realize what was causing my
(06:20):
lung to mess up. At first, the doctor he would
step on saying you have pluriity, and I was like plurisy,
But they was like, do you inhale smoke? Yes? It
was because of that because I was in hell and
a lot of smoke from the hair chemicals. And then
you talk about the chemical of the relaxer. Well, some
(06:42):
of us don't put on gloves. Some of us put
relaxes on without gloves and people not realizing that your
fingertips is also containing the chemical from the relaxer. So
all the years that you hold on and you know
that you put the apply to relaxes onto people's hair,
(07:04):
you're you're holding up, you're catching the same chemicals that
they catching. The next thing you know, you got cancer
or they have cancer or whatever. You know, people not
realizing that these chemicals is causing a domino effect right
not only on their life, but on their line.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And then along the way, when did you feel because
you left it fifty.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Correct, I left at fifty Yeah, So when did you.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Start saying I got to get out when I said
this is not for me. But I want to ask
that question first. I want to get answered for that,
and then I got another question after you answer the question.
When you started saying this is something's not right, I
got to get out of this is not I gotta
get beyond the chair.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay. So to answer that question, I was a CNA
PCT working in the hospital. Actually let me let me rewind.
So I used to be in the military and I
had injured my back in the military in nineteen ninety three,
and so in August of two thousand and nine, mean
(08:11):
twenty twelve, I reinjured it moving a patient while I
was in the hospital. And so because I was a
CNA PCT too as well doing hair as well too,
and so I was moving a patient in twenty twelve,
and that's when it all happened. That's when I said,
you know what, I had to have back surgery and
(08:33):
I can no longer do hair, and that's why I
had to come out of the hair industry.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
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(09:03):
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Speaker 2 (09:08):
And that's when it all happened.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But when you're afraid, or if not afraid, what was
your surrounding support group that enabled you to make that
decision even physically you knew you had to make it anyway?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, no, never afraid, never afraid to move, and never
afraid to make any Let me tell you so, coming
from behind the chair, I already had everything that's established
for myself because I already have had iris, I had bonds,
(09:45):
saving bonds, I had a great husband. Oh my god,
I have a great husband behind me. And also I'm
a veteran and so therefore, no, I already had everything
on the set ground for myself. So I was not
afraid of make it moves or whatever. And you know
my four three b or what have you. And so no,
(10:08):
I wasn't afraid of making any moves. I have poll
life insurance and everything else. So no, not afraid. I
wasn't afraid. That's how come I wrote another thing. Why
I wrote this book because I was like, let me
show these people on how to do it. Now, if
I took the military out of it, I still had
(10:30):
something to fall back on. And so that's why again
I was like, I can show the people on how
to make this and make their life be a better
life for themselves because it can happen.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
That's what I like about you. That's like about this
doing you planned. It's not by accident. If faith is
tied into it. Yeah, but there's a lot of solid
planning and steps.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yes, yeah, it's a lot of planning. You got to
put money to a side. You got to put five dollars,
ten dollars, twenty or one hundred dollars to a side.
Every time you do a client or every time you
get a paycheck, you have to put some money to
decide for your life. You know what I'm saying. Don't
(11:20):
get just regular life insurance. Don't get term life insurance.
Get a whole life insurant so you can borrow from
Get something and then put some ras to the side.
Get a saving bonds or something. Get something to help
yourself so when something bad happened like this, like something
that happened to me, because it can happen just the
click of a finger. Get something to help yourself so
(11:44):
you can have something to fall back on because something
you just don't know when it's gonna happen. Pashan, you
don't know what they say. Life be life and.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
You fired up. Now to you, we like to bring
you back on this show now. I want that Lisa.
I want that Lisa right there to start my show
next time. You know what I'm saying, because you know,
this is a journey. This is a journey, and I
always I've always learned people about me, is that you
the more they interview with me, the more they get
a rhythm about what I want from them, what I'm
trying to achieve on this show. Been a great interview.
(12:19):
But I love that last those nuggets you were just
flying off about just dropping out now days on little
you need to talk to me. Okay, you got to
stop missing your word. You're talking to Rushan McDonald. I
can tell you kind of couching your language yet.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, I'm about to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I walked. When I walked, broke this book about about
two years ago. I started on it about two years ago,
and then I put it down because I was like,
it's so many, so many things that came, you know,
that happened to me, as far as my back isshoe
and everything else. And so when I put it down,
I said, you know what, I have to finish this book.
(12:57):
And I was like, but I did not have the
words to say, and I did not have the thing,
you know, the right tools to do it. And then
I said, you know what, let me pick this book
back up. And I said, well, father, I need your help,
and and I was like, well, I have the faith
that you will help me finish it. And that's what
(13:19):
I did. I had to stand on his I had
to stand on faith to finish it. I couldn't walk
through that door not to not to have that faith,
because if you don't have that faith, you can't you
can't finish anything right, And if you don't have God
behind you, you can't finish nothing, you know, And that's
what That's what happened with me.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It's important that people understand what I'm trying to do him.
You know, when you when you when you're communicating. You know,
because it's a really good book, and because her takeaway
in the book is about she's in the beauty industry,
but the lessons learned and the takeaway can be used
and applied if you working at IBM, or you working
(14:01):
at Apple, or you working at a delicatessen, if you're
working at a college professor, if you at a point
in your life where you don't know that you're not happy,
are you physically stressed, and you don't know how to
get from behind that chair. There's a lot of things
(14:23):
waiting on you. But guess what. Fear will keep you
behind that chair more than anything. And that's a big problem.
How does one overcome that fear before we go to break?
Can you can you tell help us out right there, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
For God has not given us the spirit of fear,
but he gave us the power of love and a
sound mind. And the only way that you can get
over that fear is to believe in Him and know
that He is God. And the only way that you're
going to go beyond that chair. He also addresses the
(14:58):
fears with stepping out of your comfort zone. It comes
out of knowledge of faith and ascertainties, and you've got
to believe that you can pursue your dreams and transition
into a new phase of life. And that's the only
way that you can do it is believe that you
can do it and beyond that, because beyond is a
(15:19):
word that it to take you there, you have to
go beyond beyond. Wow, life.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I got you. My guess is least or her book
Beyond the Chair. There's a book about life transformative ideas.
When you wrote the book, you said two years ago
you put it down and faith and passion told you that.
You know, you stood on the shoulders and say, hey,
I'm gonna write this book. Can you tell us what
market share? Who are you directing this book to and
(15:52):
what is to take away you want people to have
when they read this book?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Well, well, the market I want to with the whole world. Actually,
it doesn't matter if it's if you're a hairstylist, barber,
It doesn't matter if you and the whatever industry you in,
It doesn't matter. It has to be with anyone. It
values everyone because everybody has a life, right, everybody has
(16:20):
a chair, they want to come from behind. It doesn't matter.
It markets everyone. And so that's what I'm all about.
It that's what the book is all.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
About, right, you know, like like anything, and as things change,
can you tell us okay, like I said, you started
you as eighteen and then you walked away from the business.
Technology played a role and you see it and grow
in this business. How is technology being leveraged in the
beauty industry? You know here by AI and all these
(16:52):
is it's just the same thing. There's no technology isn't
creeping into the beauty industry. Please help educate me as
well as my audience about technology and the beauty industry.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Social media, it's all about social media getting out there.
But AI I still away from AI. AI get you
in trouble. You know what I'm saying, AI get you
in trouble. Actually, I'm in m I T school right, Mistry.
(17:24):
It's called Minister and Training. And uh they said, Lisa
and anybody in here, if you find out you're using AI,
you going to get put out. I'm like what that
was like At the time, I did not know what AI?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
What?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
What's it is?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
AIM?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And I was like, you can use AI and write
a sermon? Know that the top of my head. Wait
a minute, And so I said, you know what, I said, Well,
I guess I can't use AI, so you.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Could, so lista. You're telling me you could write a
sermon through AI. Just just just put in the problem.
That's what.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Listen, I'm staying away from AI. Stay over here in
this corner. Use grammarly. People use grammarly, right, that's me.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I'm a grammarly guy. I thank you that. But something
like a young lady recently she got got suspended because
she used it. She used grammarly. You know, so you
have to be careful when you're using technology. You can't
use grammarly because that can be considered plagiarism. That can
be considered plagiarism. In college college different college assignment to
a young ladies just like kennessas State here in Georgia
(18:40):
was suspended of courses because she used grammarly you know,
you know, you know. One of the things Lisa, when
I was reading your when I was reading your book
is about retreats. We can't retreat, you know, and you
talk will require you to write a letter. And I
thought it was really important, you know, because you know,
you learn something about yourself when you write things down,
when you set goals, not just in your head and
(19:03):
putting them off, when you write things down. And I
thought it was really compelling when you went to this
weekend retreat and they required you to write a letter,
tell us about that experience.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, so you have to write a letter. You write notes,
You write things to yourself so you can write things
down so you can memorize them and everything else. And
that's what I did. And that's the only way that
I can memorize things, because I'll tell you, if I
don't write it down, trust and believe a girl would
not hold it in their minds myself going right right,
(19:36):
I have a lot going on. I tell you, I'm
a busy kind of girl. And just like today I
was writing somemer I was like, okay, so what did
I just say? Okay, you know, as you get older,
you got to write stuff down. So yeah, I write
notes to myself and try to keep things going for myself.
So therefore that's what happens with me.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, it's really interesting, Lisa, thank you for coming
on my show talking about your book on the Chair,
you know, practical advice and spiritual insights to help people
discover their true purpose. What is your true purpose when
we talk about that, because right now you seem to
be an advocate of change right now?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yes, well, see, change can come daunting, it's a fear,
it's unknowing and hold us back. Right it embraces change,
and it's an overcome fear to es central pursuing your
calling and transition to a new road. That's in my book.
I love that part.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I know.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You almost got a little sermon there that at least
I'm about thirty some money come on that preached preaks
preats because you know, you know, because when people come
on my show, you know, they so used to you know,
like sometimes not being themselves. And I try to position
people to be themselves on my show to be authentic,
you know, speak your truth, you know, because of the
fact that people value honesty, people value information that they
(20:59):
didn't know. I was I was getting excited when I'm like,
you're telling me things I didn't know because in fact,
you know, you know you're reaching in for these chemicals,
and we all know your your skin is porous, so
you know you can, like they'll tell you if you
if you're putting out a parison or you're putting out
a weed killer, they'll tell you put on gloves because
they tell you not to not to put that, not
(21:21):
to consume that on your hand, because it can penetrate
your skin, you know. And people are thinking they just
go through this life casually, and people at home doing
the same thing with their little home kits, you know,
going getting the relaxing from the store, not realizing that
this may be why I'm sick. This I may be
making myself look be sick and trying to look good
(21:42):
at the same time, and you can't do both sometimes.
But the thing that also inspired me about your book
and I want to get there for sure, is about
how you really talk about setting goals using the smart framework.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, that's a good question. How do I say about
doing that? That is a good question. I just was
talking to someone about that earlier today. And to do
my framework is simple is just staying on top of
(22:19):
the game, right, right, You have to stay on top
of the game when you're doing your framework. And also
it's the smart way of doing it.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well, here's the here's the question I wanted to I
want to say to you, Linton. When I was interviewing
the incredible Yolanda Adams, you know, strong in her faith,
and I'm I'm business. I'm business. I'm business and I was,
I said, and I was asking about faith and business
and she said, well, Seann is the same because I
was trying to separate the two. And then you know,
(22:56):
I always I always called my guests prior to the
interview and we start talking about your faith and that
plays a big role in the writing of this book.
How can we get your book, Lisa? Where can we
go and get your book?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yes, you can get my books on Amazon or Amazon
Beyond the Chair by Lisa Hankins. Also you can go
on ingram Spark. That's I in GA mean I in
g R A M. Spark Beyond the chair by Lisa
Hankins and also you can look me up on Facebook
(23:32):
and also on Twitter on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, Lisa, I want to thank you for coming on
my show and thank you again for coming on money
Making Conversation Masterclass. Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
hosted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today, and thank you our listening audience now.
If you want to listen to any episode or want
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Our social media handle is money Making Conversations. Join us
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Keep winning. This has been another edition of Money Making
Conversation Masterclass posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to
our guests on the show today and thank you o
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