December 2, 2023 • 28 mins
In this compelling episode, Barkue Tubman-Zawolo takes us deeper into her journey, revealing the strategies and passion that propelled her brand to international heights. We explore her impactful return to Liberia, where she adeptly read the local landscape by connecting with officials and communities. Barkue recounts the launch of Miss Boss Lady International and delves into her philanthropic endeavors, particularly her mission to develop opportunities for boys and girls, especially girls, in Liberia through the I AM Legacy program. Additionally, she shares valuable insights from her role as Chief of Staff & Diasporic Engagement at Essence Ventures. Join us for an enlightening conversation that uncovers the global impact of a visionary entrepreneur.
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stay locked into new episode Welcome back Money Movers. In
our last segment, we had the privilege of diving into
the captivating journey of our guest Barki Tubman Zavolo. Today,
get ready for another dose of inspiration as we continue
our conversation with Barku. Okay, so now you've sort of
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done music, You've made all these really valuable connections, and
you've broadened your nets sort of to speak more internationally.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Like what did this look like for you?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
How did you decide to sort of start reaching out
back to throughout the diaspora and the African markets. Was
it important to you culturally or you just saw that
Man Africa is popping. It is the new frontier. I
need to put a flag down there and make some
of that money.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So here's the crazy thing. I the music industry. So
I'm a woman of a certain name. So I've been
doing this for a very very long time. I actually
at some point the music industry started to shift. This
is actually when the music business was shifting from where
we had CDs and it started to become digital, and
I mean everything was, everything was changing. This was also
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around the same time where my mom actually still lived
in Liberia and she came to visit me and got sick.
She had a she had a stroke. And in true
bark who says she probably came on a Tuesday. The
next Wednesday, I was actually I went to LA. It
was actually flying out to LA with Buster Rhymes. And
we got there and I got a call that and
I was working for Violator Violator at the time with
(02:40):
Chris Leidie and monstc got young And when I got there,
I got the call my mom had been rushed to
the hospital. So jump back on the plane and it
was there was there's there is a certain thing that
happens to you when you see your mother or a
loved one in the hospital. And my until today, I'm
still a workaholic. I'm working on it. I don't know
if I'm going to succeed at it, but I'm Morgan
(03:02):
on it. Kids, and it works for you. It works.
If the work life balance is something that I do
struggle with, I have to say people think I make
it look good. I always say my Instagram is where
I go to make myself look good, but sometimes real
life is real life is real life, the real life
be life out here. It was in that moment where
I said, you know what, I have to start spending
more time with my mother. She's getting older. And at
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that time she was living in Liberia, so was my
dad too. Actually he was there as well. And I
started to go back to visit and we also Liberia
had just also had an election in Liberia in two
thousand and five, had elected Africa's first female president and
President Ellen Johnson serly and this country, Liberia, is one
of the poorest countries in the world, who had gone
(03:45):
through god knows how many as you know, I talked
about moving to the US in nineteen eighty, who had
gone through several years of civil unrest. It's just has
sort of been back to back to back to back,
and when I would go to visit, I started to
think through, Okay, could I live here, if I lived here,
and what would I do? You know, what's happening? When
President Sir Leif was elected, I went back to Liberia
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and what was really exciting is, you know, there was
just just sort of amazing feeling of hope that I
saw on within the people, in the environment. Just it
was just like finally felt like this country was going
to get a chance. It's really thriving in that moment,
and I was like, you know, I want to be
a part of what's about to happen here. It also
was a blank campus. Liberia had nothing. The roads were shit.
(04:29):
Excuse my French. I don't know if I can say
that on here. You can say whatever you need to say.
I mean, everything was bad, you know, education system was horrific,
and not that it's that much better now, but it
just was horrible. It was just really really bad. But
as an entrepreneur, I just saw a blank canvas and
I was like, oh, I can paint this campus whatever.
I And so that was the start of me going
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back and starting to focus on life outside of the
United States and starting to think about what, you know,
what is what can I do for the people of Liberia,
the young people of Liberia specifically, And they had sort
of been following my career in the US, so.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Of course they were, yeah, I had managed you know,
next and we were the you know, Billboard Awards, and
they saw me on TV and you know with them,
and so had been reading about me, and so there
was a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And it's so funny because even product of going back,
I started doing programs there, like I have partners on
the ground, a guy named Mecca. He was like, you've
got to do something with these young kids, and so
we started, like my company's name was Miss Boss Lead.
We started a Miss Boss Lady like talent competition that
I would fund from the year. And so when I
got on the ground in Liberia, it became all about
the entertainment industry and people wanting me to really see
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how I can support like elevating the Liberian talent that
really wanted an opportunity, and it was really my plan
at that time to do so until I actually physically
got on the ground and realized, this is all amazing,
but these people don't even have food to eat. They
are barely surviving, so this cannot be a priority. So
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that was a pivot moment where I pivoted and had
to rethink, redefine what does my business look like if
I'm going to stay in Liberia. And so that's actually
when I sort of launched this bus Leady Entertainment, the
Liberian version, which became an events, production, branding, and strategic
partnership company. And the reason that that happened is because
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if you're ever in a country that is sort of
coming out of war, even if you even if you
go in to a country like cities where there's hurricane,
there's a lot of organizations that are there and they
host a lot of workshops and meetings and meetings and
meetings to meet about the meeting, and and.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
There's a hurricane, and there's.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
A hurricane, people aren't eating. Poverty is like ridiculous. Organizations
like the World Bank, the United Nations investors are starting
to look at it now, and so the government needed
to host thing to educate the country and the and
the citizens. And so there were a ton of events
that would happen and I would just go because at
this point, I'm like I need to figure it out
on Beny thew So I got to figure it landscape
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well exactly right, learn that, like learn the landscape, understand
the lay of the land. And and what I realized
when I would go to those meetings, because I knew
people in government, I would just sort of go. And
what I realized is like they spend so much time
on the logistics of the meeting as opposed to the
people why they were there. And I was like, but
I could do this. I put tours together with artists
all over the United States and like, those logistics are
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things I do in my in my sleep, and this
is a much smaller scale, lots of logistics and infrastructure
stuff that like, this is my superpower. But this is
my superpower. I can show up here in a very
meaningful way. And so I started to put proposals together
for the United Nations, for the World Bank, for a government,
and I was like, I'm going to host your event.
I will I will plan these events for you, and
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a couple of people, one being the who was then
like the executive director for the National Investment Commission in Liberia,
was like, we're trying to create with we can really
connect with local entrepreneurs and Liberian businesses and tell them
how they can, like you know, capitalize and take advantage
of some of what's being brought in by the international community.
Can you help us pull this together? And that you know,
(08:13):
when I started doing that, it just sort of trickled
and it ended up being amazing. I ended up doing
a lot of events, even for presidents or leave and
national event. I did a lot of national events and
eventually my company put a bit in and I even
won the award to me and my team won the
award to do this, Like we owned the Miss Liberia
franchise for a few years and wow did that for
(08:35):
a while as well. And and and that was also
was able to create an opportunity where we turned the
franchise where it was not only about the beauty, but
it was really about purpose and and create opportunities for
the young girls in Liberia to not only stay there,
but to travel internationally. So when I took over the
franchise was the first year in many years where a
winner got a chance to even participate in in the
(08:55):
Miss World competition because I had this amazing Oh I
love this.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, that's a huge feat, you know, being able to
bring the you know, that's such a great example one
of many I know of the impact that you've had
in your career, both here in Liberia, but be able
to like take a country like Liberia and an institution
that is very worldly and have them.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
That's a that's a really amazing deal.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And I know that philanthropy has also been very very
important to you as well. Can we talk about some
of your philanthropic efforts both there and here that you've
sort of implemented and grown over the years. I am
very focused on the future, and by the future, I
mean the next generation. So I am usually super concerned about.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
What are we going to do with the youth, right,
what are we going to do with the young people,
and what are we going to do with young girls.
I need black young girls to fight a different fight
than we're fighting today. Starting in Liberia. One of the
things that that we did, I support a lot of
different charities. I probably I can't tell you how many
scholarships I personally had in countries like Liberia and Ghana.
(10:04):
Like you know, like there is you know, the world
gets to see the beauty of it, but when you
are from these countries, you get to see the reality.
And so part of what you do is being from
Ghana is like just by virtue of the fact that
the amount of people fly to Ghana as they do
in December and or throughout the year. Now, which is amazing,
is that alone helps the economy, right, that alone is
(10:28):
life changing. But one of the things that my nonprofit
did is we got to partner with Beverly Bond and
her Black Girls Rock organization, and so we would support
young girls in Liberia for going to school, you know,
learning how to be entrepreneurs, connecting them with mentors. But
the partnership we have with them was being able to
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afford a young Liberian girl who did the application process,
who was successful and basically have them come to America.
And for those of you that don't know, coming to
America as an African, it's like the best thing to heaven.
Sometimes it changes your mind. It lets you know that
you deserve more, depending on I mean. And when I'm
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talking about girls who are coming from humble beginnings, I'm
talking about who can barely afford, you know, their families
can barely afford to do anything for them. And they're
just driven girls who know that their present reality should
not dictate what their destiny in their future is. So
they really just step up to give themselves a chance.
And so we've had a chance to partner with Beverly
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Vond's organization. We've done huge conferences in Liberia where we
brought us executives from the creative industries, to CEOs, to
cmos to come and connect with the young people from
the film industry so we can just help them understand
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how to navigate the space that they want to be.
And we brought artists from the US, you know, to
come and talk to about the young ones that want
to be artists. And so for me, it's really about
bridging the gap and so and understanding for also people
in Liberia who just feel like there's no way out
to understand that it may look different because you're in
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America and it seems like there's more at your disposal.
But a lot of these people that came to speak
to them also came from humble beginnings right in a
different way, so there was a really big connection. There's
a big connection there. Yes, there's a big connection, which
is really important. And so for me it's always about
looking back. And also philanthropy. For me, I don't think
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anything you do as a philanthropist should be forever, because
that means you're not solving the problem. My goal is
to really equip young people, especially young women, so they
don't need philanthropy, so they can actually help whoever else
is coming from behind them. And so we have a
program in Liberia called I Am Legacy and that is
equipping young girls between the age of fifteen and twenty
three with all the necessary tools so they can build
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their own legacy. So they understand legacy starts with them.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Starts with them, and that's how we empower families and
you know, start creating these generational changes to really build.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Up wealth and just being able.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh that's such a beautiful thing, especially by focusing on women,
because we know, come on.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Right, we are the thingsact all things exactly and and
and I'm glad you brought that up because the legacy
piece is about that generational wealth. So we think, so
they're not thinking about I just need to do this
for self. They need to think that of the steps,
the decisions that they're making, how they're laying the foundation
is going to be bigger than self, and it's going
to last a longer time and they can pass it
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on and they can build wealth, and we can teach
them financial literacy, you know, and all of those things
that that some of us really didn't learn. As much
as I grew up in a family that I had shared,
I didn't learn financial literacy. Hell, shoot, I'm still learning
financial literacy. We're still learning it. And that's why I
love you know, and this.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
This is why I even feel like podcasting and things
like this are so important, especially you know, as I'm
talking to someone who shares the sort of the same heritage,
because for a long time, you know, we for granted
having you know, individual cell phones where you could tune
into the internet, where you could have those connections. So
when you're talking about you know, Africa and folks that
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are living there, and I want you all to.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Get this straight. We are.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I am very proudly African and love every single piece
of it. So I'm not trying to say paint this
picture of poverty or this, but it's just sort of factual.
But I think what technology has done for Africa is
because people have more resources now where they can tap
into a podcast, hear this story, and the mind, like
the ability for people to educate themselves is dramatically changed.
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The Internet is much more diverse. You know, you can
be in a rural area and so that changes how
people can look at education, changes how people can look
at how they can build wealth for themselves. Like even
just small things like that are going to significantly quantum leap.
You know, the countries Africa, rural areas. I mean, this
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happens in the US here too, So I was I
was literally about to say the same. I'm like, yeah,
it's a honestly like, it's a it's a it's a
global thing, but you know it's a global black thing, right, Like,
so we tend to only see, you know, as a
global black community.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We need to to to Africa. Unfortunately, usually in those
in most countries, the masses are the ones that are poor.
And I think that's even here in the United States.
What what what? I think The reason I think you
and I connect and why it all makes sense is
because our goal is to highlight the things that are
not being highlighted because there is so much wealth and
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richest and cultural richness and stuff, and so a lot
of times people don't know how to monetize that, and
the people that should benefit from those things are the
people in the rural communities who usually live below a
specific level. And so I remember seeing this documentary one
time on the cocoa industry, which is actually was in Goda.
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It was really really coco industry is huge. So for
those of you talk with, it's like most of the
cocos tend to come from that part of the world,
and these cocoa farmers farm and farm and farm, and
they're not living the same lives as the people that
are selling the godava. So much so that I think
it was CNN that did a peace on this and
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they went back to the cocoa farmers and said, have
you ever seen what the end product of what you
start is? None of them had ever even seen chocolate. No,
they never even tasted it. And we know chocolate is
a billion dollar, billion dollar plus, right, so just say
that to say it is so important that it's not
about leaving your country or leaving your community. It's about
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understanding how you monetize your culture, your tradition, for it
for the for the community you stay in to benefit,
and it continues to benefit the generations and the generations
and that's how the generation wealth. Because you want to
preserve tradition, you want cocoa farmers to still be coco. Absolutely,
it's right.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's I mean, that's something that is when you talk
about tradition. It's generation after my father, the coco farma,
we had this and so it goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
But yeah, yahple for them to recognize the end products.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But I think that's also a piece of it because
if they do recognize, I mean, this is similar.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You could say this to you know, the writer's strike.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
If you do realize who's making all the money at
the other end, what happens when people go, oh, no,
I'm not doing.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That for pennies. So interesting, interesting, perfect comparison.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, yeah, all right, back, I just want to go
back to your role at Essence Ventures. So tell people
what Essence Ventures does. I know, it's a subsidiary of, like,
you know, the larger conglomerate of Essence, but shout them
out and tell us about a little bit more about
your role there being like this fantastic connector because it's
it's important for a lot of the money movers as well.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, so Essence, I'm the chief of staff in that
sport and talent engagement at Essen's Ventures, and Essence Ventures
is the parent company or the umbrella company or whatever
you want to call it to what a lot of
people know, Essence Communications and Essence Communication is what houses
Essence Magazine, Essence Festival of Culture, the largest festival in
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the country by per day attendance. Problems as Black Women
in Hollywood and Girls United you know, and that's our
by the way, Girls United, it's our newer franchise. It is.
It caters to the to the gen z rs. And
so we have Girls United, some men. We have Essence
Black Women in Sports. We have a fashion house, Fashion.
We have just a ton of things under Essence Communications
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and that's usually the ones that's where the magazine comes up,
of course. And then there's Beauty con that's where you know,
we we sort of democratizing beauty. That's where the beauty
rebels live. That's where the beauty entrepreneur comes. That's where
the influencers are, That's where we celebrate creators. Then we
have Afro Punk. Afropunk is just that brand that is
like they have one of the strongest communities that I
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just absolutely love. And it's where honestly, it's like blacks
on the spectrum maybe if you want to call it
is where the black nerds live and they come a
look high right and they skateboard and you know, because
you know, black is not a monolith. So we literally
show up excellent everywhere. And then we haves in studios.
That's our production film television, where we're going to house
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and tell all of our stories by us, for us,
our global stories, you know, to really continue to highlight
all the different facets that we are as black people.
And so as the chief of staff there, you know,
one of my roles there is is really you know,
it is air traffic control is connecting with all of
the making sure that we're connecting the dots internally as
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a leadership team, but also as an organization as well
as making sure that we're intentional about our diasport content
building with the talent community because we probably engage probably
the largest amount of black talent out of any business.
And because we between our all of our platforms from print, digital,
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you know, we we are not we are not just
a media company. We are media, we are commerce, we
are digital, we are tech, and so you know, we
get to really serve what I call I believe we're
in service to the global Black community. And our goal is,
you know, it's really to connect the disconnected diaspora in
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all of the different industries. We stand on a very
strong pillar that is economic inclusion and health equity. And
in order for us to do that, our people need
to be served and we need to meet them from
a place of strength and not from a place of deficit.
So like say, for example, Essence is where we serve
black women deeply, and we believe that the black woman
is the CEO of home, culture and community, and so
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we meet her there. We know she's already prepared to
be that. So our goal is to equip her with
the tools and the resources and connect her with the
right partners to be able to live up to what
we know she already is. She's already you know inspired.
The beauty and beauty con we do the same thing
of sorts, and it's really just you know, we are
there to make sure that we beauty con is actually
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the business that is not black. Beauty con is you know,
it's it's it's everybody right industry is you get to
define what beauty is to you. We get to connect you,
and we get to help you tell your story, your way,
and we provide the platform and the connections to make
sure that people can access your product, you can access
the consumer. You know it's and and we create an
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environment for that. Afropunk is, you know, is where we
celebrate all things that are black, l g B, t
Q plus you know, like I talked about, you know,
the the skateboarders, you know, Afro Future. And then of
course as the studios is where we have a platform
for content. Content is king, but let's let's have content
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that really speaks to us holistically, right, and let's be
in one place. So and Essen Studios is one that
we're actually developing. Now we've done we've had some success
there and so now we're sort of doing that strategy
all over again. And so that's what I get to
do at at Essen's Ventures that it's super super super
exciting for us.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, before we leave, I want to make sure that
we get dminaged to number one, find out where all
our moneymvers can follow you on social and essence ventures.
And number two, y'all, I would be remiss because fun fact,
Barku has three children triplets six years old. So you
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have to tell our moneymover's audience how you can manage
to juggle all these things. But also the mom of
six year old triplets I have you know, those of
you that follow me know that I have nieces and
my sister has twins and h well three under three.
I cannot imagine what it's like having triplets. So how
do you do it all?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Thankfully I believe in God because Barkoo might have quick Barkoo.
It is by the grace of the Almighty God that
I am still sitting here look insane. I have amazing children,
Piper Skylark, I have a husband, so thankfully I'm not
in this alone. And obviously my mom is still around.
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So thankfully you know, my sister and friends and cousins
and you know, so it's like I have a tribe.
It is not easy. It is really not easy because
your children are your children. I don't care who you
have to help you they are they are your children.
It has been an exciting journey. It is. They have
three different personalities, three different things. I have two fashionistas.
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They are very interesting characters. So it's you know, it's
it's it's it's a blessing. But it's also great motivation.
Like the level of motivation that comes from parenting to
me is you can't measure it. Nothing else can motivate
me to make sure that I create a better world
and a better life for them and many children around
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the world. And so you know, usually and I wake
up knowing that my mission is bigger than themselves, and
that's what I do so money movers, let me tell
you, you know, first of all, yes, learn about this coin.
Learn about this coin, learn about this coin. You know,
educate yourself on the things you can do to stack
the coins, to make the coins. You know, to negotiate
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for yourself. A lot of times, you know, we don't
even like to talk money. That's why I actually love
the name of your short Tana that. Yes, people don't
like to even talk about money. And I think, while
it can be intimidated, you have to talk about it
because you had to talk about money.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And you know, I just think that, you know, once
upon a time, we were taught that it was ghost
to talk about money or just uncouth or whatever, and
so we didn't ask for the things we need. You know,
that guy next to us was making twice as much
because we didn't speak up about it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And I think in particular.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
For women, we didn't want to look like we wanted
money or it was not cool because you would be
labeled a gold digger or this that the other and
women are out here the most highly educated group. We
are making money moves, and we need to talk about it.
Like when we go for our girls' trips, we sit
and talk about it, how we can help each other,
how we can make more money. And so I'm so
grateful to have you on the show today just to
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share your wisdom and expertise. And I'm remiss that this
is all the time we have for today, but please,
can you share with us, with our audience where they
can find you on social media, where they can connect
with you, whatever is best for you, because I would
love for people to be able to continue to follow
your journey.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yes, yes, and yes, so you can. I'm I'm an
Instagram girl primarily I'm learning. I'm learning TikTok. I'm learning TikTok.
But my my my, my name is spelt b A
r k u e and that's how you find me
on Instagram. I'm on Facebook, but not really that much,
so I wouldn't really, you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
(25:44):
go there. It's so funny. I actually use Facebook mostly
because Liberians are on Africans. Yes, it's like when.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Someone gives you their number here and if Africans they
only talk on What's app and people are like, why do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You use What's up? Exactly? So I'm learning TikTok and
I think there's Barku too. I'm on I guess X.
I don't use that as much, and of course I'm
on LinkedIn Barkou Tubman b a r k u E.
My last name is Tubman t U b m a n.
My married name is Zaouolo. But I don't really think
it's on anything really. I just I told my husband
I love you. But that is first of all, my
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kids are going to be the last ones to graduate
because it's a z and already and it's it's already
three syllables, So we're gonna stick to Barkoo Tubman. I
got later on in life, so you know, I'm like,
if I called anybody and say Barku Zaola's on the phone,
they probably keep me on hold for thirty minutes, whereas
if I say Barkou Tubbman, they'd be like, okay, her,
(26:36):
I might remember a little bit. Son done. So yes,
very much, barkool on anything.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
What a treat money movers, make sure you follow Barku
on everything. You know, she's an Instagram girl like most
of us are, so make sure you check her out.
And thank you so much for your service. Thank you
so much for being a connector between here the diaspora
and everything money movers. That is all the time.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
We have for today. Mark, Thank you so much. Thank you.
I you know, I appreciate you. Like I said, I
I'm one hundred percent familiar with who you are. I
love that you know, you've elevated or continue to use
your platform, you know, to educate others. I applaud you
for that as well. Tell you, I think that's that's
(27:20):
really special and gracious. You could be doing anything else
and this is what you've chosen, So this really really special.
I think, you know, I don't think there can be
enough conversations about educating our community about money and wealth
and you know, and just just giving people the tools
that they need to succeed. So congratulations to you. Oh
my gosh, I'm so grateful. Thank you for that. I
appreciate that, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Just happy that I get to get to wake up
and talk to really amazing people all day, like pinch me.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That's awesome.
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stay locked into new episode Welcome back Money Movers. In
our last segment, we had the privilege of diving into
the captivating journey of our guest Barki Tubman Zavolo. Today,
get ready for another dose of inspiration as we continue
our conversation with Barku. Okay, so now you've sort of
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done music, You've made all these really valuable connections, and
you've broadened your nets sort of to speak more internationally.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Like what did this look like for you?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
How did you decide to sort of start reaching out
back to throughout the diaspora and the African markets. Was
it important to you culturally or you just saw that
Man Africa is popping. It is the new frontier. I
need to put a flag down there and make some
of that money.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So here's the crazy thing. I the music industry. So
I'm a woman of a certain name. So I've been
doing this for a very very long time. I actually
at some point the music industry started to shift. This
is actually when the music business was shifting from where
we had CDs and it started to become digital, and
I mean everything was, everything was changing. This was also
(02:17):
around the same time where my mom actually still lived
in Liberia and she came to visit me and got sick.
She had a she had a stroke. And in true
bark who says she probably came on a Tuesday. The
next Wednesday, I was actually I went to LA. It
was actually flying out to LA with Buster Rhymes. And
we got there and I got a call that and
I was working for Violator Violator at the time with
(02:40):
Chris Leidie and monstc got young And when I got there,
I got the call my mom had been rushed to
the hospital. So jump back on the plane and it
was there was there's there is a certain thing that
happens to you when you see your mother or a
loved one in the hospital. And my until today, I'm
still a workaholic. I'm working on it. I don't know
if I'm going to succeed at it, but I'm Morgan
(03:02):
on it. Kids, and it works for you. It works.
If the work life balance is something that I do
struggle with, I have to say people think I make
it look good. I always say my Instagram is where
I go to make myself look good, but sometimes real
life is real life is real life, the real life
be life out here. It was in that moment where
I said, you know what, I have to start spending
more time with my mother. She's getting older. And at
(03:24):
that time she was living in Liberia, so was my
dad too. Actually he was there as well. And I
started to go back to visit and we also Liberia
had just also had an election in Liberia in two
thousand and five, had elected Africa's first female president and
President Ellen Johnson serly and this country, Liberia, is one
of the poorest countries in the world, who had gone
(03:45):
through god knows how many as you know, I talked
about moving to the US in nineteen eighty, who had
gone through several years of civil unrest. It's just has
sort of been back to back to back to back,
and when I would go to visit, I started to
think through, Okay, could I live here, if I lived here,
and what would I do? You know, what's happening? When
President Sir Leif was elected, I went back to Liberia
(04:07):
and what was really exciting is, you know, there was
just just sort of amazing feeling of hope that I
saw on within the people, in the environment. Just it
was just like finally felt like this country was going
to get a chance. It's really thriving in that moment,
and I was like, you know, I want to be
a part of what's about to happen here. It also
was a blank campus. Liberia had nothing. The roads were shit.
(04:29):
Excuse my French. I don't know if I can say
that on here. You can say whatever you need to say.
I mean, everything was bad, you know, education system was horrific,
and not that it's that much better now, but it
just was horrible. It was just really really bad. But
as an entrepreneur, I just saw a blank canvas and
I was like, oh, I can paint this campus whatever.
I And so that was the start of me going
(04:53):
back and starting to focus on life outside of the
United States and starting to think about what, you know,
what is what can I do for the people of Liberia,
the young people of Liberia specifically, And they had sort
of been following my career in the US, so.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Of course they were, yeah, I had managed you know,
next and we were the you know, Billboard Awards, and
they saw me on TV and you know with them,
and so had been reading about me, and so there
was a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And it's so funny because even product of going back,
I started doing programs there, like I have partners on
the ground, a guy named Mecca. He was like, you've
got to do something with these young kids, and so
we started, like my company's name was Miss Boss Lead.
We started a Miss Boss Lady like talent competition that
I would fund from the year. And so when I
got on the ground in Liberia, it became all about
the entertainment industry and people wanting me to really see
(05:43):
how I can support like elevating the Liberian talent that
really wanted an opportunity, and it was really my plan
at that time to do so until I actually physically
got on the ground and realized, this is all amazing,
but these people don't even have food to eat. They
are barely surviving, so this cannot be a priority. So
(06:04):
that was a pivot moment where I pivoted and had
to rethink, redefine what does my business look like if
I'm going to stay in Liberia. And so that's actually
when I sort of launched this bus Leady Entertainment, the
Liberian version, which became an events, production, branding, and strategic
partnership company. And the reason that that happened is because
(06:27):
if you're ever in a country that is sort of
coming out of war, even if you even if you
go in to a country like cities where there's hurricane,
there's a lot of organizations that are there and they
host a lot of workshops and meetings and meetings and
meetings to meet about the meeting, and and.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
There's a hurricane, and there's.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
A hurricane, people aren't eating. Poverty is like ridiculous. Organizations
like the World Bank, the United Nations investors are starting
to look at it now, and so the government needed
to host thing to educate the country and the and
the citizens. And so there were a ton of events
that would happen and I would just go because at
this point, I'm like I need to figure it out
on Beny thew So I got to figure it landscape
(07:07):
well exactly right, learn that, like learn the landscape, understand
the lay of the land. And and what I realized
when I would go to those meetings, because I knew
people in government, I would just sort of go. And
what I realized is like they spend so much time
on the logistics of the meeting as opposed to the
people why they were there. And I was like, but
I could do this. I put tours together with artists
all over the United States and like, those logistics are
(07:29):
things I do in my in my sleep, and this
is a much smaller scale, lots of logistics and infrastructure
stuff that like, this is my superpower. But this is
my superpower. I can show up here in a very
meaningful way. And so I started to put proposals together
for the United Nations, for the World Bank, for a government,
and I was like, I'm going to host your event.
I will I will plan these events for you, and
(07:51):
a couple of people, one being the who was then
like the executive director for the National Investment Commission in Liberia,
was like, we're trying to create with we can really
connect with local entrepreneurs and Liberian businesses and tell them
how they can, like you know, capitalize and take advantage
of some of what's being brought in by the international community.
Can you help us pull this together? And that you know,
(08:13):
when I started doing that, it just sort of trickled
and it ended up being amazing. I ended up doing
a lot of events, even for presidents or leave and
national event. I did a lot of national events and
eventually my company put a bit in and I even
won the award to me and my team won the
award to do this, Like we owned the Miss Liberia
franchise for a few years and wow did that for
(08:35):
a while as well. And and and that was also
was able to create an opportunity where we turned the
franchise where it was not only about the beauty, but
it was really about purpose and and create opportunities for
the young girls in Liberia to not only stay there,
but to travel internationally. So when I took over the
franchise was the first year in many years where a
winner got a chance to even participate in in the
(08:55):
Miss World competition because I had this amazing Oh I
love this.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, that's a huge feat, you know, being able to
bring the you know, that's such a great example one
of many I know of the impact that you've had
in your career, both here in Liberia, but be able
to like take a country like Liberia and an institution
that is very worldly and have them.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
That's a that's a really amazing deal.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And I know that philanthropy has also been very very
important to you as well. Can we talk about some
of your philanthropic efforts both there and here that you've
sort of implemented and grown over the years. I am
very focused on the future, and by the future, I
mean the next generation. So I am usually super concerned about.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
What are we going to do with the youth, right,
what are we going to do with the young people,
and what are we going to do with young girls.
I need black young girls to fight a different fight
than we're fighting today. Starting in Liberia. One of the
things that that we did, I support a lot of
different charities. I probably I can't tell you how many
scholarships I personally had in countries like Liberia and Ghana.
(10:04):
Like you know, like there is you know, the world
gets to see the beauty of it, but when you
are from these countries, you get to see the reality.
And so part of what you do is being from
Ghana is like just by virtue of the fact that
the amount of people fly to Ghana as they do
in December and or throughout the year. Now, which is amazing,
is that alone helps the economy, right, that alone is
(10:28):
life changing. But one of the things that my nonprofit
did is we got to partner with Beverly Bond and
her Black Girls Rock organization, and so we would support
young girls in Liberia for going to school, you know,
learning how to be entrepreneurs, connecting them with mentors. But
the partnership we have with them was being able to
(10:48):
afford a young Liberian girl who did the application process,
who was successful and basically have them come to America.
And for those of you that don't know, coming to
America as an African, it's like the best thing to heaven.
Sometimes it changes your mind. It lets you know that
you deserve more, depending on I mean. And when I'm
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talking about girls who are coming from humble beginnings, I'm
talking about who can barely afford, you know, their families
can barely afford to do anything for them. And they're
just driven girls who know that their present reality should
not dictate what their destiny in their future is. So
they really just step up to give themselves a chance.
And so we've had a chance to partner with Beverly
(11:31):
Vond's organization. We've done huge conferences in Liberia where we
brought us executives from the creative industries, to CEOs, to
cmos to come and connect with the young people from
the film industry so we can just help them understand
(11:51):
how to navigate the space that they want to be.
And we brought artists from the US, you know, to
come and talk to about the young ones that want
to be artists. And so for me, it's really about
bridging the gap and so and understanding for also people
in Liberia who just feel like there's no way out
to understand that it may look different because you're in
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America and it seems like there's more at your disposal.
But a lot of these people that came to speak
to them also came from humble beginnings right in a
different way, so there was a really big connection. There's
a big connection there. Yes, there's a big connection, which
is really important. And so for me it's always about
looking back. And also philanthropy. For me, I don't think
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anything you do as a philanthropist should be forever, because
that means you're not solving the problem. My goal is
to really equip young people, especially young women, so they
don't need philanthropy, so they can actually help whoever else
is coming from behind them. And so we have a
program in Liberia called I Am Legacy and that is
equipping young girls between the age of fifteen and twenty
three with all the necessary tools so they can build
(12:56):
their own legacy. So they understand legacy starts with them.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Starts with them, and that's how we empower families and
you know, start creating these generational changes to really build.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Up wealth and just being able.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh that's such a beautiful thing, especially by focusing on women,
because we know, come on.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Right, we are the thingsact all things exactly and and
and I'm glad you brought that up because the legacy
piece is about that generational wealth. So we think, so
they're not thinking about I just need to do this
for self. They need to think that of the steps,
the decisions that they're making, how they're laying the foundation
is going to be bigger than self, and it's going
to last a longer time and they can pass it
(13:33):
on and they can build wealth, and we can teach
them financial literacy, you know, and all of those things
that that some of us really didn't learn. As much
as I grew up in a family that I had shared,
I didn't learn financial literacy. Hell, shoot, I'm still learning
financial literacy. We're still learning it. And that's why I
love you know, and this.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
This is why I even feel like podcasting and things
like this are so important, especially you know, as I'm
talking to someone who shares the sort of the same heritage,
because for a long time, you know, we for granted
having you know, individual cell phones where you could tune
into the internet, where you could have those connections. So
when you're talking about you know, Africa and folks that
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are living there, and I want you all to.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Get this straight. We are.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I am very proudly African and love every single piece
of it. So I'm not trying to say paint this
picture of poverty or this, but it's just sort of factual.
But I think what technology has done for Africa is
because people have more resources now where they can tap
into a podcast, hear this story, and the mind, like
the ability for people to educate themselves is dramatically changed.
(14:38):
The Internet is much more diverse. You know, you can
be in a rural area and so that changes how
people can look at education, changes how people can look
at how they can build wealth for themselves. Like even
just small things like that are going to significantly quantum leap.
You know, the countries Africa, rural areas. I mean, this
(14:58):
happens in the US here too, So I was I
was literally about to say the same. I'm like, yeah,
it's a honestly like, it's a it's a it's a
global thing, but you know it's a global black thing, right, Like,
so we tend to only see, you know, as a
global black community.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We need to to to Africa. Unfortunately, usually in those
in most countries, the masses are the ones that are poor.
And I think that's even here in the United States.
What what what? I think The reason I think you
and I connect and why it all makes sense is
because our goal is to highlight the things that are
not being highlighted because there is so much wealth and
(15:35):
richest and cultural richness and stuff, and so a lot
of times people don't know how to monetize that, and
the people that should benefit from those things are the
people in the rural communities who usually live below a
specific level. And so I remember seeing this documentary one
time on the cocoa industry, which is actually was in Goda.
(15:56):
It was really really coco industry is huge. So for
those of you talk with, it's like most of the
cocos tend to come from that part of the world,
and these cocoa farmers farm and farm and farm, and
they're not living the same lives as the people that
are selling the godava. So much so that I think
it was CNN that did a peace on this and
(16:16):
they went back to the cocoa farmers and said, have
you ever seen what the end product of what you
start is? None of them had ever even seen chocolate. No,
they never even tasted it. And we know chocolate is
a billion dollar, billion dollar plus, right, so just say
that to say it is so important that it's not
about leaving your country or leaving your community. It's about
(16:37):
understanding how you monetize your culture, your tradition, for it
for the for the community you stay in to benefit,
and it continues to benefit the generations and the generations
and that's how the generation wealth. Because you want to
preserve tradition, you want cocoa farmers to still be coco. Absolutely,
it's right.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's I mean, that's something that is when you talk
about tradition. It's generation after my father, the coco farma,
we had this and so it goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
But yeah, yahple for them to recognize the end products.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
But I think that's also a piece of it because
if they do recognize, I mean, this is similar.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You could say this to you know, the writer's strike.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
If you do realize who's making all the money at
the other end, what happens when people go, oh, no,
I'm not doing.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That for pennies. So interesting, interesting, perfect comparison.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, yeah, all right, back, I just want to go
back to your role at Essence Ventures. So tell people
what Essence Ventures does. I know, it's a subsidiary of, like,
you know, the larger conglomerate of Essence, but shout them
out and tell us about a little bit more about
your role there being like this fantastic connector because it's
it's important for a lot of the money movers as well.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, so Essence, I'm the chief of staff in that
sport and talent engagement at Essen's Ventures, and Essence Ventures
is the parent company or the umbrella company or whatever
you want to call it to what a lot of
people know, Essence Communications and Essence Communication is what houses
Essence Magazine, Essence Festival of Culture, the largest festival in
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the country by per day attendance. Problems as Black Women
in Hollywood and Girls United you know, and that's our
by the way, Girls United, it's our newer franchise. It is.
It caters to the to the gen z rs. And
so we have Girls United, some men. We have Essence
Black Women in Sports. We have a fashion house, Fashion.
We have just a ton of things under Essence Communications
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and that's usually the ones that's where the magazine comes up,
of course. And then there's Beauty con that's where you know,
we we sort of democratizing beauty. That's where the beauty
rebels live. That's where the beauty entrepreneur comes. That's where
the influencers are, That's where we celebrate creators. Then we
have Afro Punk. Afropunk is just that brand that is
like they have one of the strongest communities that I
(18:53):
just absolutely love. And it's where honestly, it's like blacks
on the spectrum maybe if you want to call it
is where the black nerds live and they come a
look high right and they skateboard and you know, because
you know, black is not a monolith. So we literally
show up excellent everywhere. And then we haves in studios.
That's our production film television, where we're going to house
(19:14):
and tell all of our stories by us, for us,
our global stories, you know, to really continue to highlight
all the different facets that we are as black people.
And so as the chief of staff there, you know,
one of my roles there is is really you know,
it is air traffic control is connecting with all of
the making sure that we're connecting the dots internally as
(19:35):
a leadership team, but also as an organization as well
as making sure that we're intentional about our diasport content
building with the talent community because we probably engage probably
the largest amount of black talent out of any business.
And because we between our all of our platforms from print, digital,
(19:57):
you know, we we are not we are not just
a media company. We are media, we are commerce, we
are digital, we are tech, and so you know, we
get to really serve what I call I believe we're
in service to the global Black community. And our goal is,
you know, it's really to connect the disconnected diaspora in
(20:18):
all of the different industries. We stand on a very
strong pillar that is economic inclusion and health equity. And
in order for us to do that, our people need
to be served and we need to meet them from
a place of strength and not from a place of deficit.
So like say, for example, Essence is where we serve
black women deeply, and we believe that the black woman
is the CEO of home, culture and community, and so
(20:40):
we meet her there. We know she's already prepared to
be that. So our goal is to equip her with
the tools and the resources and connect her with the
right partners to be able to live up to what
we know she already is. She's already you know inspired.
The beauty and beauty con we do the same thing
of sorts, and it's really just you know, we are
there to make sure that we beauty con is actually
(21:01):
the business that is not black. Beauty con is you know,
it's it's it's everybody right industry is you get to
define what beauty is to you. We get to connect you,
and we get to help you tell your story, your way,
and we provide the platform and the connections to make
sure that people can access your product, you can access
the consumer. You know it's and and we create an
(21:22):
environment for that. Afropunk is, you know, is where we
celebrate all things that are black, l g B, t
Q plus you know, like I talked about, you know,
the the skateboarders, you know, Afro Future. And then of
course as the studios is where we have a platform
for content. Content is king, but let's let's have content
(21:43):
that really speaks to us holistically, right, and let's be
in one place. So and Essen Studios is one that
we're actually developing. Now we've done we've had some success
there and so now we're sort of doing that strategy
all over again. And so that's what I get to
do at at Essen's Ventures that it's super super super
exciting for us.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, before we leave, I want to make sure that
we get dminaged to number one, find out where all
our moneymvers can follow you on social and essence ventures.
And number two, y'all, I would be remiss because fun fact,
Barku has three children triplets six years old. So you
(22:23):
have to tell our moneymover's audience how you can manage
to juggle all these things. But also the mom of
six year old triplets I have you know, those of
you that follow me know that I have nieces and
my sister has twins and h well three under three.
I cannot imagine what it's like having triplets. So how
do you do it all?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Thankfully I believe in God because Barkoo might have quick Barkoo.
It is by the grace of the Almighty God that
I am still sitting here look insane. I have amazing children,
Piper Skylark, I have a husband, so thankfully I'm not
in this alone. And obviously my mom is still around.
(23:06):
So thankfully you know, my sister and friends and cousins
and you know, so it's like I have a tribe.
It is not easy. It is really not easy because
your children are your children. I don't care who you
have to help you they are they are your children.
It has been an exciting journey. It is. They have
three different personalities, three different things. I have two fashionistas.
(23:28):
They are very interesting characters. So it's you know, it's
it's it's it's a blessing. But it's also great motivation.
Like the level of motivation that comes from parenting to
me is you can't measure it. Nothing else can motivate
me to make sure that I create a better world
and a better life for them and many children around
(23:51):
the world. And so you know, usually and I wake
up knowing that my mission is bigger than themselves, and
that's what I do so money movers, let me tell
you, you know, first of all, yes, learn about this coin.
Learn about this coin, learn about this coin. You know,
educate yourself on the things you can do to stack
the coins, to make the coins. You know, to negotiate
(24:13):
for yourself. A lot of times, you know, we don't
even like to talk money. That's why I actually love
the name of your short Tana that. Yes, people don't
like to even talk about money. And I think, while
it can be intimidated, you have to talk about it
because you had to talk about money.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And you know, I just think that, you know, once
upon a time, we were taught that it was ghost
to talk about money or just uncouth or whatever, and
so we didn't ask for the things we need. You know,
that guy next to us was making twice as much
because we didn't speak up about it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And I think in particular.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
For women, we didn't want to look like we wanted
money or it was not cool because you would be
labeled a gold digger or this that the other and
women are out here the most highly educated group. We
are making money moves, and we need to talk about it.
Like when we go for our girls' trips, we sit
and talk about it, how we can help each other,
how we can make more money. And so I'm so
grateful to have you on the show today just to
(25:05):
share your wisdom and expertise. And I'm remiss that this
is all the time we have for today, but please,
can you share with us, with our audience where they
can find you on social media, where they can connect
with you, whatever is best for you, because I would
love for people to be able to continue to follow
your journey.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yes, yes, and yes, so you can. I'm I'm an
Instagram girl primarily I'm learning. I'm learning TikTok. I'm learning TikTok.
But my my my, my name is spelt b A
r k u e and that's how you find me
on Instagram. I'm on Facebook, but not really that much,
so I wouldn't really, you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
(25:44):
go there. It's so funny. I actually use Facebook mostly
because Liberians are on Africans. Yes, it's like when.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Someone gives you their number here and if Africans they
only talk on What's app and people are like, why do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You use What's up? Exactly? So I'm learning TikTok and
I think there's Barku too. I'm on I guess X.
I don't use that as much, and of course I'm
on LinkedIn Barkou Tubman b a r k u E.
My last name is Tubman t U b m a n.
My married name is Zaouolo. But I don't really think
it's on anything really. I just I told my husband
I love you. But that is first of all, my
(26:16):
kids are going to be the last ones to graduate
because it's a z and already and it's it's already
three syllables, So we're gonna stick to Barkoo Tubman. I
got later on in life, so you know, I'm like,
if I called anybody and say Barku Zaola's on the phone,
they probably keep me on hold for thirty minutes, whereas
if I say Barkou Tubbman, they'd be like, okay, her,
(26:36):
I might remember a little bit. Son done. So yes,
very much, barkool on anything.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
What a treat money movers, make sure you follow Barku
on everything. You know, she's an Instagram girl like most
of us are, so make sure you check her out.
And thank you so much for your service. Thank you
so much for being a connector between here the diaspora
and everything money movers. That is all the time.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
We have for today. Mark, Thank you so much. Thank you.
I you know, I appreciate you. Like I said, I
I'm one hundred percent familiar with who you are. I
love that you know, you've elevated or continue to use
your platform, you know, to educate others. I applaud you
for that as well. Tell you, I think that's that's
(27:20):
really special and gracious. You could be doing anything else
and this is what you've chosen, So this really really special.
I think, you know, I don't think there can be
enough conversations about educating our community about money and wealth
and you know, and just just giving people the tools
that they need to succeed. So congratulations to you. Oh
my gosh, I'm so grateful. Thank you for that. I
appreciate that, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Just happy that I get to get to wake up
and talk to really amazing people all day, like pinch me.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
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(28:08):
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