November 6, 2023 • 38 mins
In our concluding episode with Jasmine Sanders, we embark on an engaging journey through her remarkable career in the world of media. Jasmine opens up about her beginnings alongside D.L. Hughley, shedding light on what it takes to be an excellent co-host and why that dynamic is vital. She shares insights into her evolution as a podcast creator and her outlook on the future of radio and broadcasting. Furthermore, Jasmine delves into her strong belief that the world of podcasting should be more diverse and inclusive, with a focus on encouraging black and brown communities to participate. Join us as we explore her profound philanthropic endeavors and her inspiring vision for the future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And so I used to believe it was all about
the collection of things. And so what I began to
do was say, if I buy, I must use, and
if I don't use, I can no longer buy.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And so all the shoes you see behind.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Me, I tell people all the time. They say, oh,
you're showing off all your shoe collection. No, baby, this
is my journey. This is my joke. Each shoe represents
something that I went through, how hard it was. The
higher the heel, the more difficult the struggle.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
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stay locked in to new episodes. Money Movers, Please give
a warm welcome to Jasmine Sanders.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Hi, Jasmin, Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So we've gone through some of your big breaks. But
now you're hosting DLG Glee Morning show. You've got multiple,
multiple podcasts, and I also want to talk about how
you've sort of evolved through like an interesting like radio
has changed, radio has dramatically changed. So you have managed
to juggle, stay on top and do all these things
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through like incredible times. How have you managed to land
on your feet all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I have good knees. They helped me when I read yeah,
get back up. Let me tell you. I have been hired,
I have been fired, I have been you know, mistreated.
I have been all of those things.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But because I believe that there is a greater calling
on my life that I just refuse to give up.
I also refuse to be a dinosaur. When the industry changes,
I change. I do know I'm not saying I changed
the essen to who I am. Jasmine is Jasmine is Jasmine.
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If you need I sell red cups. If you need
red cups.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I have.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
If you need cups, I don't have those. You have
to go down the street for that. So even when
it comes to how I got the job with d L,
I was very honest with him. You know, he said,
you know, you're not who I want. I said, hey,
then that's fine, go get that.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
He said, you're not who I want.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It was not an ouch for me. It was a
thank you. You know why. I like the.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Honesty of telling me that this is not the relationship
that you were hoping for. Because my thing is I
don't want to be your number two. I don't want
to be your second choice. I want to be your
one and only choice. And if I'm not, I'm okay
with that. My life will still be fine. There is
I am number one somewhere. And so the more we
talked about it, you know, we and we met for
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dinner before I was hired, and he said that, and
I said, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You haven't hurt my feelings. Thank you for not allowing
me to uproot my life and.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Move into a situation waste my time.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And I flew in specifically for the interview, and I
was flying right out. So I said, well, let me
do this for you because I believe in I think
everything happens for a reason. So I believe perhaps my
meeting with you and flying here was not for me
to get this job, but it was for me to
share with you. So let me ask you some questions.
Who's your executive producer? Who is to be doing the
(04:00):
pr for your show? Have you figured out? Like I
began to quiz Himbout because I said, I want you
to be successful. I don't know what you can and
what you can do in this space, but I know
this is all I've ever done.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You come from a comedy world.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I didn't, so I can't tell you about comedy, but
I can damn sure to radio. Let me tell you
this is what you need to focus on. By the
time we were finished, he he was like, you know
you are who I want. I said, no, sir, WHOA Yes,
he did.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Sell yourself into the role.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And you know what I said, I said, No, I'm not.
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I said, I'm not the person that you now have
to pretend like it's a one night stand and I'm
gonna call you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I don't need that. Don't blow smoke. It's cool.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
If you're not gonna call me, that's fine. I'm gonna
be fine. Because I had I still had a job.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I was working at CBS in New York, another radio station,
UH an.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
AC station at that not even in the urban market.
I over to the white side. I was like, I'm
good and he was like, no, I'm telling you. He
was like, I was closed minded and I came into
this because I thought, he said, but now my eyes
are open. I said, that is all wonderful, and that
is beautiful. Listen, you have a great show. Congratulations on it.
I wish you much success. If you ever need any help,
(05:14):
if you have any questions, I got you. Two days later,
they called and they said Dio wants to meet you
for breakfast. And I was like, okay, and I show you.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
This whole crew.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, it's his whole crew. And that was our first
day at work.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So I say that to say, do not be afraid
to say no to something that you feel is off
a little. It's okay, don't be afraid, don't be afraid.
And it turned out to be the best thing because
it was my telling him no that made him realize
how much of a yes he needed in me.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yes yes, and also want of resource because you know,
he comes from a very comedy background. You have years
in radio like it's a whole production to make the
whole broad which like it's orchestration, and you have to
have these synchronicities. Talk about the early days of you know,
learning to work with people, because it's part.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, let me say this for me.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
When I first started, and for at least ten years
I were well eight years, I worked alone, and then
I began to do morning shows, and I did morning
shows with other people. And it is a circus because
you have multiple personalities and you have people who are
there for certain reasons. And so I will say when
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I first started working with DL it was very difficult
at first because I knew I came from a radio background,
and as you said, he came from a comedy background,
and I had to learn my place in that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
The thing I love correcting people about there is this
common misconception that a co host is mainly there to sit,
to smile and to giggle at jokes that are sometimes
not funny, that is not true.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The hardest thing is to be a co host because
you have to be you have to be.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Secure in your own talent, but also have enough discipline
to know, as Kenny Rodgers would say no, when to hold.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Them, no, when to fold them, no, when.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
To walk away, and when to run And so as
someone as a co host who knows she can hold
her own. Sometimes I have to be quiet because I
understand there's a time. It's knowing all elementally all of
the pieces that go into radio. We're on the clock,
so sometimes we don't have time for my opinion. As
strongly opinionated as I am, I understand the dynamic of it.
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And so also I understand as the co host, I
am there to help him shine. So you know, it
is putting myself down sometimes and so people are always
saying you're so quiet. Sometimes I'm like, you don't want
to stand the role of a co host. It is
the hardest job there because I know sometimes in the segment,
I'm smarter than you, and I have to be quiet.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And I don't want to make you look bad, so
I have to say something. But lucky for me.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Him being a comedian, I know he can take a
zinger and be fine, just like I know. Lucky for me,
I have thick skins, so he can zing on me
about some things. And people say, well, why don't you
say anything back? It wasn't the time or place.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
It wasn't time place. It's not for the show. Sometimes not.
It's not about you needing to for the audience to
know that you're okay. It's not for the show.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's not Sometimes that's not important. Yeah,
And I'm alright with that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'm secure and knowing that's him calling me now must
go on.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Like yes, some mu's go on, you know. But I
think it's a typical thing.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It took a little adjustment, but I think just again
working as a team. As in any job, you know,
you have to learn to get along with different personalities.
Some people, you know, might get on your nerves or
egg you a little bit when you're.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Like, why are you always talking to me that way?
Or why you know?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's a lot and so I think it's learning to
be stretched. And I don't have to tell you. Being
a black woman, people will try you and I say,
don't try me, honey, try Jesus, because I'm not the one.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No fool, you don't let the pretty fool you don't
let the pretty fool you.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Okay, don't do it. Let me tell you. It's a
rattlesnake under here.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I do want to talk about it, folks that are
right here, because you've also now launched multiple podcasts of
your own. But before we move on to that, I
do want to ask about lifestyle because it's hard being
on radio. You either have to get up super early
or in the afternoon. How do you sort of factor
balancing lifestyle into this.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Well, you know, I believe I don't know if you've
ever read the book The Alchemist. I believe that everything
that you everything that you go through, and every situation
that you're in, whether it be how you were raised,
all of it is for a reason.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You just have to be willing to be open to
understanding the why of it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Now, I was raised on a farm, so I had
to be up at three point thirty every morning because
the cows needed to be milk wow, you.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Know, butter needed to be made.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I did not understand that those habits of getting up
early would follow me and would serve me. You know,
So working long hours and working hard and being able
to pivot all of that throughout my life I learned
and I never knew how it would serve me. And
so for me, my lifestyle is.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I get up really early. It is not a hassle
because it is it is.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Who you are.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I was raised that wall, and it's who I am,
and so there are lessons in the who you are
and how you are raised if you look back. Even
me as a kid loving music and listening to the
radio all the time and writing down everything that the
radio personality would say, I.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Did not know that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Twenty years later when they put me in a production
room and say, okay, show us what you got.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You've been here every day. Now. I had never done
radio in my life. You know what I did.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I harkened back to what I would write down, and
I remembered what they would say, and I said that again,
everything is for a reason.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You just have to be open to it.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And so my lifestyle is that it comes naturally because
I leaned into who I was and what I learned
along the way.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh I love this. Okay, So let's talk a little
bit about launching your own podcasts. You have several, so
please introduce those to our audience, because not one, not two,
but three. So she's got something.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I do and all of them have a purpose. The
very first one that is my heart is called Don't
tell Me to shut Up. And I launched that because,
you know, being on the show with d L you know,
it's it's a roller coaster ride, right and there's not
a lot of time for me to say what I
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want to say. And so it's a little tongue in
cheek because he never tells me to shut up.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Sometimes he does in his own way, but I know
it's love.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But I feel as women, even from kids, were always
told to be quiet, don't talk when adults are talking,
or shut up girl. I was that girl right and
so away, and so now I feel as though I
am in a place now don't tell me to shut up.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And it's not always said with.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You know, a little attitude sometimes like don't tell me
to shut up. I'm speaking the truth and don't tell
me to shut up sometimes, So I think it has
different me, but it all comes down to I have
a lot to say about a lot of things, and
I'm going to do it right here.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
On Don't tell Me to shut up.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So it's kind of like my space to you know,
talk about what grinds my gears or what I'm into
at the moment, or something that I saw and I
want to get it off my chest, or you know,
when they overturn Rovos's Wade. I had a lot to
say about that, you know, I had a lot to
say about the George Floyd situation.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I had a lot to say about.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Just so many things, and there's there's only so many
hours on the show, and because it is the d
O Hugley Show, I felt like, well, I.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Got some shit I want to say too. I'm going
to say it right now.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I got some stuff I need exactly that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So that was the first one, and it gives me
the opportunity to unapologetically be Jazmine in all of those ways.
I can have a bit of a potty mouth, I
can be a little bit aloof about some things culturally,
and I feel safe and exploring all of those areas
of myself.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I feel okay doing that and I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And then when we began to celebrate National Women's Month,
I thought about the podcast Woman's a Woman came from
I felt like we spend so much time celebrating women
of the past, which I love, but I wanted to
celebrate women of right now. And some of those women
happen to be my friends, people that I know, people
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that I wish I knew, people that you know, I
feel need to have a light shine on them.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And so I thought, wow, and.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I instantly thought about you remember the song Hey, Marpara,
this is Sureley Woman's a woman.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Hey, That's where that came from.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And I thought, wowow, oh gosh, I have not thought
about that in.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
A while, And I thought, I want to do a
version of that, an honest conversation between women about women things.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And it could be serious, it could be silly, whether
we're talking.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
About the men in our lives or the men who
are not in our lives, whether we're talking about menopause,
whether we're talking about you know, brunch.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Of money, all of that. And so that's where that
came from.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And so, you know, DL began to tease me a
little bit about women talking or women chirping.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Is chicks chirping? That's what he calls it.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And I thought, you know, and I said, you know,
I have no problem talking to men like I'm a
I'm a guy's kind of girl, and I'm a girl's
kind of girl too, and.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I want to be able to show that side of me.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So I'm going to also launch a podcast called Woman
to Man, where I have conversations with men about why
is there this great divide? Why is there always this
constant miscommunication or misinterpretation about our relationships? And why do
people say we can't get along? And why do why
is there so much static between us at a time
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when women are doing better than they ever have And
this is the perfect doctortunity for us to be in
sync so that we can rise together, so that generational
wealth that you're talking about can be in place. This
is not the time for us to be pointing fingers
at each other. We should be working together. So I
want you to tell me, no.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
It's dialogue and communication. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's the only way we're gonna win.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
But if if men are always pointing at black women
as the problem, and black women are always pointing at
black men as the problem, we're always going to be divided.
And everyone knows a house divided cannot stand. And so
I wanted to be able to get rid of that,
and so I'm like, listen, you know, we could talk
about anything, anything.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And then, just so you know, I'm telling it right
here for the first time, I plan on watching another podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You can tell I'm someone who loves to talk. God,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Podcast is gonna and this one is gonna be really short,
really cute and really fun, and I know you're gonna
love it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But it's gonna be called Three Questions to Friends.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
And I want to be able to have have any
friend to ask me any three questions they've ever wanted
to know, and then I get to do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I love this, and so I give okay, let me
tell you I love it.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I love this because I since since from years ago,
like decades, I stumbled across these books and it was
like the Book of Questions, the Book of Questions for
the game of life, the book of So I'm always
the girl that if there's a girl's trap, a card trip,
I bring the Book of Questions. You learn a lot
too if you ask some of these questions.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And I also think you know some of the friends,
but I know how life is.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You know the friends that you had in college or
junior high school may not still be around, and when
you run into them, you have questions and and the
friend is used loosely because it might not It might
be somebody that I just met, but I want to
get to know better.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I have three questions for you.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And they may be serious, they may be silly, but
you know, and and so I think it's it's a
great concept of of again, kind of reigniting the art
of conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Small three questions, the art of conversation.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, this will segue for me. You have tons of
experience in the art of conversation. And as we see,
you know how traditional and digital media is changing and evolving.
I know that you're creating more podcasts. So how do
you envision the future of podcasting and radio in a
digital world? Is this where people should be putting their money.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think people should be putting their money here without question,
in the digital world, and I'm hoping that more black
and brown people do it because this is the area
traditionally that.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
We fall behind. Even when you look.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
At the education system, when you look at the fact
that our schools are not really taught well when it
comes to digital there in some areas you're lucky enough
where they are expanding those programs.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
But I think again, traditionally.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
We're always the last one to climb on board, and
so we don't get the opportunity to be able to
take advantage of the money that flows. We We just don't,
and I think it's very sad. So I would say
this is the area for sure in the digital space,
because you may not like it, you might feel as
though it rubs you the wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Way, but it's a lot like CDs.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
If you remember when you were, if you are of
the age a lady of a certain age such as LL,
do you remember how hard it was for people to
let go of their vinyl and their seat, their their cassettes.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
We were like, oh, this is blasphemous, what are you
talking about?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And then from the CD to the MP three people
didn't They wanted nothing to do with it. And I
happened to be working at a record label at that time,
and I remember pds and DJs were pissed. They were like,
what is this digital?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Nobody wanted it your The fact that you did not
like it did not stop it. And so I feel
the same way.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's what you talk about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I don't want to be a don't be a dinosaur.
You have to evolve or you will be you will
become extinct. It's very and so I think it's a
matter of practice that you should put into place of
always trying to stay on top of the trends and
knowing which trend will come and go and knowing which
one will stay.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Listen. Gp chat.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
People are nervous about it, and I don't blame them.
I'm a little nervous too, but I'm not scared because
I know it is the future.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
It is coming whether you want it or not.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I say that all the time. And you know, one
of the biggest things, especially if we talk about in
the black and brown community, is it's coming, whether or
not you want it. And so why I love conversations
like this, Why I love just telling people we got
to be driving it this time. We can't be at
the back of the line playing catchup, asking for you know,
help supporting. This is where we need to be creating companies.
This is where we need to be at the forefront
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figuring out how radio music, AI chat, GPT we can
use it all too art.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
With that question, because let me tell you something. Have
you ever gotten to the bottom of a box of
cereal or a bag of chips? You know what's at
the bottom of the tail end, not the but chromes.
And that's what happens to us. We come in the
end and we don't get the beginning or the middle,
which is always the best part. When you get to
the end, you're getting the chromes. So you're not getting
the best of it.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
We're not here for the crimes anymore. Almost twenty twenty period, Jasmine,
I'm going to shift us all the way to the
left because not only are you an inspiring media personality,
you do the work in so many different spheres, philanthropy
being one of them. And you have been very candid.
You've told us much about your story, your ups and
downs and struggles. But I want to take a minute
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to talk about Jasmine Cares and Adopted in Winning and
talk about how these initiatives are empowering women and families
to support adoptees.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So Jasmine Cares came about because I was You know,
anybody who's been in the media, especially radio, you know
part of your job is community outreach, and so the
station will have you in the community doing various things,
showing up at different schools and speaking at functions, and
it used to always bother me because I know what
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it felt like to be left behind or to feel
left behind, and so I began to think it's interesting.
I come in and I say all of these amazing words,
and I give them words of encouragement about you can
do it, and then I go on back to my life,
and there they are the next day, you know, trying
to figure out Okay, well I felt great.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was on a high.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It's like going to church on Sunday and then Tuesday,
trying to keep the same tennis that you learned on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
But it's Tuesday now you're feeling different.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So, you know, I wanted to create something that would
be kind of like a bridge to those kids even
after that day was over. And so I wanted them
to know if no one else cares, Jasmine does, Jasmine cares.
And so I created this whole platform that allowed them
to have access to me, so that even after I've
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gone and we've had this amazing day full of inspiring
words and being able to touch one another, when I'm gone,
I'm still here, so I'm never really gone.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm always here, and so I wanted to be able
to assist them and be that bridge.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And so I thought, I may not, because of my schedule,
have the opportunity to be with them all the time.
But the one thing that I always knew is that
when you are on the road to success, or when
you're building your own kind of foundation to success, you
meet a lot of people. And so if I can
just find out from them, what is it that you want?
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And I was always clear and saying, I'm not going
to do the walk for you. I'm not going to
do the work for you. But what I will do
is connect you and it will be up to you.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And so I would do things.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Like I've met a lot of stylist, a lot of
makeup artists, a lot of hear people along the way,
and so if I met someone who wanted to be
a model, I would say, Okay, I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm never going to say that you don't have what
it takes to be a model.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I'm not going to because life is not never going
to tell you what you don't have. It's not going
to tell you that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It's going to show you right.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And so I thought, well, I don't want to take
the air out of your sales. So what I will
do is I will connect you with a hairstylist, a
makeup artist you know, and a clothing stylist, and.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
They will wow all of these things together for you.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Now, when you get your pictures, it's up to you
now to knock on doors and they will tell.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You either you have what it takes or not.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Because if you think about it, looking back over your
own life and your own career, think about the thousands
of people that you've met along the way, and all
it takes is for you to make that one phone call,
that one connection, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
It could change the life of someone.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And so that's what I began to do with that initiative,
and then with the Adopted and winning.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I got tired of hearing people.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Think that kids who are adopted, and I came from
the era where it was it was it was taboo
to speak about, and so now every not everything of
which must.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Have been really difficult, it was.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Very difficult, and so I wanted to kind of get
rid of that stigma that because you're adopted, that somehow
you're flawed from the beginning, and that because you lived
in foster care that somehow, you know, you are tarnished
and things are wrong for you. And so I wanted
to create a platform that highlighted that you could be
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adopted and winning.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And I am one of those people. I'm adopted in.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Winning, and I want people to feel that way about
themselves too, that you too are adopted in winning, the
fact that you're still here, you're living, you're breathing, and
you made it. You're winning, and so you know, I
try to speak to that, and I try to encourage
people who are adopted to talk about that so that
they can share that story to other people who are
in foster care waiting to be adopted, who are constantly
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being told that you know, you're a bad seed, your
mama didn't want you, or this.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I'm trying to destroy all of that.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Heartbreaking. You know, one thing I just love it is
it is really heartbreaking. And I think, you know, we
as you look at it now, we are doing better
because there was so much back, you know, ten twenty
third however, many years ago that we just were like
what we knew as.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Society was just don't talk, don't tell.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And so now being able to have don't tell my
business about it. Don't tell my business. Smile, absolutely don't
tell my business. So being able to have these conversations
again just openly and candidly, it removes so much of
the shame that we don't need to have placed.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
If you think about it, it's you know, the fact
that for me it was a secret.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I don't know anything good that's a secret, not even
the secret recipe to KFC.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It can be good.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So if you call it a secret, I mean I
instantly think it's something bad that is supposed to be
kept in the dark, and then immediately I think there's
something wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And so I'm out to change all of that. And
just to kind of piggyback on what.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You just said, it's wonderful that now that we know better,
we're trying to do better for the new generation of
people in foster care and adoption. But think about the
entire segment of the population, such as myself of a
certain age, who's still dealing with PTSD from that what
about us, you know?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And so that too is part of my adopted and
winning campaign is going back and capturing people like me
of a certain age that are still dealing with the
trauma of being adopted or being in foster care.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I mean you also talked a little bit about, you know,
growing up in the Sabbath, where it was just it
is still closed and they're still reluctant to move the
needle and make the social progress that so many desperately need.
So I appreciate you being able to stand and use
your voice, you know, if you're adopted and winning, and
call people to this because they're stille. I know you
were passionate that you've mentioned Row versus Wade like two.
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There's still a lot of work to be done, you know,
in helping people find the healing that they.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So write you say, But I think that people like
you who have conversations like this and other people who
are out there doing the work, it's things like this
that help and that will amplify and shine the light
on some of these you know, barbaric and crazy laws
that are still in effect, that make absolutely no sense
and do the community as a whole no service at all.
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As a matter of fact, it does a tremendous disservice.
It's silly, you know, it's really funny.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I really believe in like those little conversations that just
spark something and someone And it's funny because I lost
my mom when I was twelve, and back then, you know,
we just didn't really talk. I had family around me,
you had support, but it was like, let's just not
talk about it all the time. And it wasn't until
I was at a work event, at like a chamber event,
and this woman was at the front of the room
talking about how she lost her mom at twelve years.
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I was in my thirties, I guess at twelve years
of age, and I was like, this one is crazy.
Why out loud?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know people are living, not a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Doesn't she know people are listening? And fast forward if
she founded a grief organization specifically for kids, and we
have helped thousands upon thousands of children and families. But
sometimes it's just this. So I love hearing you talk about,
you know, your struggles, your journey and then being able
to give back, because it truly is once you find
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something that you're passionate about that you connect about, the healing.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Is all yours, is all yours.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
And you know, let me say, I'm so sorry to
hear about your mom. And even though I know it
was when you were twelve. You know, I lost my mom.
I lost both of my mothers, my mama that raised
me and my biological mother. And I say to people
all the time, it is not a sorority or fraternity
that you want to be a member of. It's very difficult.
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And I don't care.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
How old you get. You always need your mama. You do.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And I think that you suffer, you do some type
of trauma that never seems to go away.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
You just learn to deal with it every day.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And so I am sorry for you for your loss,
and I hope that you were not able to really
process it, but I hope that you find a way
to process it, to face us and to be able
to deal with it so that you will be a
blessing to someone else who has lost their mother.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And you know what, I say this now, I enjoy
doing that work because it is not always easy, you know,
it takes it, but I enjoy it and I look
at it so much differently, and I enjoy even talking
about it with people, like saying this on the radio
or having these conversations like it is it is freeing,
it is healing. And one of the things like at
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the organization, you know, I serve on the board. I
volunteer there all the time, like being around children and families,
and I just see how we are able to do
so much better now for our children and our families.
And it's just it's an evolution. And you know, people
did the best they could with what they had.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
That's it. That's all you could do, you.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Know, And the evolution yep, yep, yep. And you know
it also goes as I bring it back to talking
about money now, it's the same thing. I think on
our perspectives of how we look at money. We look
at how our parents were just like either spend it,
don't spend it. And now as we look at kids
and how we're talking to them so that they can
make those connections between listen, this little piece of paper
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that you know and I don't even know half our
audience knows what a check is, but making those correlations
between like how we make money, how we earn it,
how we save it. Like all of this, I just think,
you know, how we deal with our family relationships, grief, adoption.
I just think it makes us for a better society,
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a better world. And I just commend you on the
acts of service that you're doing for being candidly sharing
with our audience and doing all that you do yours
and just.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I appreciate that and I receive it. I really do.
I really appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I think it's important, you know platforms like this just because,
like I said, I think you know, when you know better,
you do better. And you know, I do believe that
your relationships with your family is a lot like your
relationship with money.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's true, if you have secrets, then you have secret debt.
You know, if you have a.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I think the way you treat your money is like
you treat your family. And I think it's unfortunate I
came up when during a time when you didn't talk
about money because that was part of the secrecy. You
didn't talk about your salary, you didn't talk about the bills,
you didn't talk about any of that. And you know
what happened to me because of that, Because of that secrecy,
when I went off to college, every credit card company
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that was at the bottom of the university center got
me and they got me in debt quickly. And I'm thinking, now,
you know, I don't have a job, I'm in school,
but they convinced me that I needed this car. So
I started out bad. And you know what I did.
I kept it a secret from my mama. I kept
it a secret because she started a secret.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
This is such a class.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I kept the secrets going.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
And so for a long time I never talked about,
Oh my god, I was in debt, and oh my god,
I got thrown out of an apartment and I got
a car repossessed, and I got all of this because
of secrets, instead of being open and having an open
dialogue with family, to be able to say, hey, I'm
in trouble. Maybe you can help me out of this
trouble by teaching me how to take care of my money.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's why you have to have open conversations.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And the more we talk about it on platforms like this,
hopefully people are listening. So that you understand the importance
of credit. You understand the importance of money coming in
versus money going out, and how you spend your money,
and you know, are you getting a good return on
whatever investment you're liking?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You save it, all of this, all of just as Oh, Jasin,
you are a jewel and a gem. But before we leave,
can you tell us anything more about any upcoming projects
that we should look out for and where they can
where we can find you number one on social media,
and where we can find your morning show.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It's an afternoon drive show. Afternoon Drive so on, We're
going to take on social media.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You can find me at I Am Jasmine Sanders very
simply because I am who I am. I Am Jasmine Sanders. Yes,
projects that are coming up that I'm super excited about.
I am launching a tour called the Jasmine Experience, and
the platform will be based.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
On there with this woman.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
The platform will be fighting for your joy.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And the reason why I think this is important is
because I think we as black women specifically, spend our
entire lives fighting for everything. We fight for money, right
the right to be paid equally. We fight for relationships,
We fight for our family, we fight for our man, honey,
We fight for everything, but we end up dying before fighting.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
For our very own joy, for our piece of happiness,
to be who we were before the trauma.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
And so it is a passion for me to help
people women reconnect with that little girl who used to
laugh with reckless abandon who didn't care that.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Her hair was all over her head. We didn't care.
We just wanted to have a good time.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And so it will be a joy party basically where
I will be going around to different markets that we
are on in and we're on and almost ninety markets
across the country, and we will laugh together. There will
be no tear shit. We I'm not gonna say we're
not gonna pray, because I believe in prayer and everything,
but it's not going to be about focusing on and
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laughing and having a good time and remembering who we
were before the trauma set in, and so, uh, you
can expect to hear more about that. I'm also in
the process of writing a book about the same subject,
Claiming Your Joy, So I'm super excited about that as well.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
It's a really big publisher, so I'm super excited about
that as well.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But I'm working on that and other elements that you know,
I'm working on. You know, we are going coming back
to TV with the radio version of the TV version
of the radio show, and I'm hoping for more opportunities
and TV and I'm working on screenplays and things like that.
Like I'm I'm I believe in every day of your
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life to fill it up so that when you can't
write anymore, when you can't talk anymore, when you can't
walk anymore, there's nothing else to be done because you've
done it all. Use everything and every part of your
body while you still have it. And that's what I'm
trying to do.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Use it up.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I want to be like that thing of toothpaste where
you're just trying to squeeze some more life out of it.
So at the end I know that I will hear
well done.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Wow, I'm inspired. Well, I am here for all your joy.
You better let me know. We will stay tuned because
I will bring my joy to.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Your Yes, you are invited, and thank.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
You so much.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Really, I'm there, I'm here for the joy.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Listen, We're going to stay in contact. Please.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I would like that you are more than invited. I
would love to sit down and break bread with you anytime.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I believe in that.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I think that's important because I think you know, energy
is important, connecting so that you can emit more energy,
positive energy out in the world.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Well, thank you you, kind and beautiful soul. Thank you
for inspiring our money moves, audience and all that you
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And so I used to believe it was all about
the collection of things. And so what I began to
do was say, if I buy, I must use, and
if I don't use, I can no longer buy.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And so all the shoes you see behind.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Me, I tell people all the time. They say, oh,
you're showing off all your shoe collection. No, baby, this
is my journey. This is my joke. Each shoe represents
something that I went through, how hard it was. The
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stay locked in to new episodes. Money Movers, Please give
a warm welcome to Jasmine Sanders.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Hi, Jasmin, Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So we've gone through some of your big breaks. But
now you're hosting DLG Glee Morning show. You've got multiple,
multiple podcasts, and I also want to talk about how
you've sort of evolved through like an interesting like radio
has changed, radio has dramatically changed. So you have managed
to juggle, stay on top and do all these things
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through like incredible times. How have you managed to land
on your feet all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I have good knees. They helped me when I read yeah,
get back up. Let me tell you. I have been hired,
I have been fired, I have been you know, mistreated.
I have been all of those things.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But because I believe that there is a greater calling
on my life that I just refuse to give up.
I also refuse to be a dinosaur. When the industry changes,
I change. I do know I'm not saying I changed
the essen to who I am. Jasmine is Jasmine is Jasmine.
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If you need I sell red cups. If you need
red cups.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I have.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
If you need cups, I don't have those. You have
to go down the street for that. So even when
it comes to how I got the job with d L,
I was very honest with him. You know, he said,
you know, you're not who I want. I said, hey,
then that's fine, go get that.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
He said, you're not who I want.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It was not an ouch for me. It was a
thank you. You know why. I like the.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Honesty of telling me that this is not the relationship
that you were hoping for. Because my thing is I
don't want to be your number two. I don't want
to be your second choice. I want to be your
one and only choice. And if I'm not, I'm okay
with that. My life will still be fine. There is
I am number one somewhere. And so the more we
talked about it, you know, we and we met for
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dinner before I was hired, and he said that, and
I said, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You haven't hurt my feelings. Thank you for not allowing
me to uproot my life and.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Move into a situation waste my time.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And I flew in specifically for the interview, and I
was flying right out. So I said, well, let me
do this for you because I believe in I think
everything happens for a reason. So I believe perhaps my
meeting with you and flying here was not for me
to get this job, but it was for me to
share with you. So let me ask you some questions.
Who's your executive producer? Who is to be doing the
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pr for your show? Have you figured out? Like I
began to quiz Himbout because I said, I want you
to be successful. I don't know what you can and
what you can do in this space, but I know
this is all I've ever done.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You come from a comedy world.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I didn't, so I can't tell you about comedy, but
I can damn sure to radio. Let me tell you
this is what you need to focus on. By the
time we were finished, he he was like, you know
you are who I want. I said, no, sir, WHOA Yes,
he did.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Sell yourself into the role.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And you know what I said, I said, No, I'm not.
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I said, I'm not the person that you now have
to pretend like it's a one night stand and I'm
gonna call you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I don't need that. Don't blow smoke. It's cool.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
If you're not gonna call me, that's fine. I'm gonna
be fine. Because I had I still had a job.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I was working at CBS in New York, another radio station,
UH an.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
AC station at that not even in the urban market.
I over to the white side. I was like, I'm
good and he was like, no, I'm telling you. He
was like, I was closed minded and I came into
this because I thought, he said, but now my eyes
are open. I said, that is all wonderful, and that
is beautiful. Listen, you have a great show. Congratulations on it.
I wish you much success. If you ever need any help,
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if you have any questions, I got you. Two days later,
they called and they said Dio wants to meet you
for breakfast. And I was like, okay, and I show you.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
This whole crew.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, it's his whole crew. And that was our first
day at work.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So I say that to say, do not be afraid
to say no to something that you feel is off
a little. It's okay, don't be afraid, don't be afraid.
And it turned out to be the best thing because
it was my telling him no that made him realize
how much of a yes he needed in me.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yes yes, and also want of resource because you know,
he comes from a very comedy background. You have years
in radio like it's a whole production to make the
whole broad which like it's orchestration, and you have to
have these synchronicities. Talk about the early days of you know,
learning to work with people, because it's part.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, let me say this for me.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
When I first started, and for at least ten years
I were well eight years, I worked alone, and then
I began to do morning shows, and I did morning
shows with other people. And it is a circus because
you have multiple personalities and you have people who are
there for certain reasons. And so I will say when
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I first started working with DL it was very difficult
at first because I knew I came from a radio background,
and as you said, he came from a comedy background,
and I had to learn my place in that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
The thing I love correcting people about there is this
common misconception that a co host is mainly there to sit,
to smile and to giggle at jokes that are sometimes
not funny, that is not true.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The hardest thing is to be a co host because
you have to be you have to be.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Secure in your own talent, but also have enough discipline
to know, as Kenny Rodgers would say no, when to hold.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Them, no, when to fold them, no, when.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
To walk away, and when to run And so as
someone as a co host who knows she can hold
her own. Sometimes I have to be quiet because I
understand there's a time. It's knowing all elementally all of
the pieces that go into radio. We're on the clock,
so sometimes we don't have time for my opinion. As
strongly opinionated as I am, I understand the dynamic of it.
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And so also I understand as the co host, I
am there to help him shine. So you know, it
is putting myself down sometimes and so people are always
saying you're so quiet. Sometimes I'm like, you don't want
to stand the role of a co host. It is
the hardest job there because I know sometimes in the segment,
I'm smarter than you, and I have to be quiet.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And I don't want to make you look bad, so
I have to say something. But lucky for me.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Him being a comedian, I know he can take a
zinger and be fine, just like I know. Lucky for me,
I have thick skins, so he can zing on me
about some things. And people say, well, why don't you
say anything back? It wasn't the time or place.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
It wasn't time place. It's not for the show. Sometimes not.
It's not about you needing to for the audience to
know that you're okay. It's not for the show.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's not Sometimes that's not important. Yeah,
And I'm alright with that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'm secure and knowing that's him calling me now must
go on.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Like yes, some mu's go on, you know. But I
think it's a typical thing.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It took a little adjustment, but I think just again
working as a team. As in any job, you know,
you have to learn to get along with different personalities.
Some people, you know, might get on your nerves or
egg you a little bit when you're.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Like, why are you always talking to me that way?
Or why you know?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's a lot and so I think it's learning to
be stretched. And I don't have to tell you. Being
a black woman, people will try you and I say,
don't try me, honey, try Jesus, because I'm not the one.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No fool, you don't let the pretty fool you don't
let the pretty fool you.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Okay, don't do it. Let me tell you. It's a
rattlesnake under here.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I do want to talk about it, folks that are
right here, because you've also now launched multiple podcasts of
your own. But before we move on to that, I
do want to ask about lifestyle because it's hard being
on radio. You either have to get up super early
or in the afternoon. How do you sort of factor
balancing lifestyle into this.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Well, you know, I believe I don't know if you've
ever read the book The Alchemist. I believe that everything
that you everything that you go through, and every situation
that you're in, whether it be how you were raised,
all of it is for a reason.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You just have to be willing to be open to
understanding the why of it.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Now, I was raised on a farm, so I had
to be up at three point thirty every morning because
the cows needed to be milk wow, you.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Know, butter needed to be made.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I did not understand that those habits of getting up
early would follow me and would serve me. You know,
So working long hours and working hard and being able
to pivot all of that throughout my life I learned
and I never knew how it would serve me. And
so for me, my lifestyle is.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I get up really early. It is not a hassle
because it is it is.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Who you are.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I was raised that wall, and it's who I am,
and so there are lessons in the who you are
and how you are raised if you look back. Even
me as a kid loving music and listening to the
radio all the time and writing down everything that the
radio personality would say, I.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Did not know that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Twenty years later when they put me in a production
room and say, okay, show us what you got.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You've been here every day. Now. I had never done
radio in my life. You know what I did.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I harkened back to what I would write down, and
I remembered what they would say, and I said that again,
everything is for a reason.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You just have to be open to it.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
And so my lifestyle is that it comes naturally because
I leaned into who I was and what I learned
along the way.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh I love this. Okay, So let's talk a little
bit about launching your own podcasts. You have several, so
please introduce those to our audience, because not one, not two,
but three. So she's got something.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I do and all of them have a purpose. The
very first one that is my heart is called Don't
tell Me to shut Up. And I launched that because,
you know, being on the show with d L you know,
it's it's a roller coaster ride, right and there's not
a lot of time for me to say what I
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want to say. And so it's a little tongue in
cheek because he never tells me to shut up.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Sometimes he does in his own way, but I know
it's love.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But I feel as women, even from kids, were always
told to be quiet, don't talk when adults are talking,
or shut up girl. I was that girl right and
so away, and so now I feel as though I
am in a place now don't tell me to shut up.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And it's not always said with.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You know, a little attitude sometimes like don't tell me
to shut up. I'm speaking the truth and don't tell
me to shut up sometimes, So I think it has
different me, but it all comes down to I have
a lot to say about a lot of things, and
I'm going to do it right here.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
On Don't tell Me to shut up.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So it's kind of like my space to you know,
talk about what grinds my gears or what I'm into
at the moment, or something that I saw and I
want to get it off my chest, or you know,
when they overturn Rovos's Wade. I had a lot to
say about that, you know, I had a lot to
say about the George Floyd situation.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I had a lot to say about.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Just so many things, and there's there's only so many
hours on the show, and because it is the d
O Hugley Show, I felt like, well, I.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Got some shit I want to say too. I'm going
to say it right now.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I got some stuff I need exactly that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
So that was the first one, and it gives me
the opportunity to unapologetically be Jazmine in all of those ways.
I can have a bit of a potty mouth, I
can be a little bit aloof about some things culturally,
and I feel safe and exploring all of those areas
of myself.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I feel okay doing that and I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And then when we began to celebrate National Women's Month,
I thought about the podcast Woman's a Woman came from
I felt like we spend so much time celebrating women
of the past, which I love, but I wanted to
celebrate women of right now. And some of those women
happen to be my friends, people that I know, people
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that I wish I knew, people that you know, I
feel need to have a light shine on them.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And so I thought, wow, and.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I instantly thought about you remember the song Hey, Marpara,
this is Sureley Woman's a woman.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Hey, That's where that came from.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And I thought, wowow, oh gosh, I have not thought
about that in.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
A while, And I thought, I want to do a
version of that, an honest conversation between women about women things.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And it could be serious, it could be silly, whether
we're talking.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
About the men in our lives or the men who
are not in our lives, whether we're talking about menopause,
whether we're talking about you know, brunch.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Of money, all of that. And so that's where that
came from.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And so, you know, DL began to tease me a
little bit about women talking or women chirping.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Is chicks chirping? That's what he calls it.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And I thought, you know, and I said, you know,
I have no problem talking to men like I'm a
I'm a guy's kind of girl, and I'm a girl's
kind of girl too, and.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I want to be able to show that side of me.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So I'm going to also launch a podcast called Woman
to Man, where I have conversations with men about why
is there this great divide? Why is there always this
constant miscommunication or misinterpretation about our relationships? And why do
people say we can't get along? And why do why
is there so much static between us at a time
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when women are doing better than they ever have And
this is the perfect doctortunity for us to be in
sync so that we can rise together, so that generational
wealth that you're talking about can be in place. This
is not the time for us to be pointing fingers
at each other. We should be working together. So I
want you to tell me, no.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
It's dialogue and communication. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's the only way we're gonna win.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
But if if men are always pointing at black women
as the problem, and black women are always pointing at
black men as the problem, we're always going to be divided.
And everyone knows a house divided cannot stand. And so
I wanted to be able to get rid of that,
and so I'm like, listen, you know, we could talk
about anything, anything.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And then, just so you know, I'm telling it right
here for the first time, I plan on watching another podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You can tell I'm someone who loves to talk. God,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Podcast is gonna and this one is gonna be really short,
really cute and really fun, and I know you're gonna
love it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But it's gonna be called Three Questions to Friends.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
And I want to be able to have have any
friend to ask me any three questions they've ever wanted
to know, and then I get to do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I love this, and so I give okay, let me
tell you I love it.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I love this because I since since from years ago,
like decades, I stumbled across these books and it was
like the Book of Questions, the Book of Questions for
the game of life, the book of So I'm always
the girl that if there's a girl's trap, a card trip,
I bring the Book of Questions. You learn a lot
too if you ask some of these questions.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
And I also think you know some of the friends,
but I know how life is.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You know the friends that you had in college or
junior high school may not still be around, and when
you run into them, you have questions and and the
friend is used loosely because it might not It might
be somebody that I just met, but I want to
get to know better.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I have three questions for you.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And they may be serious, they may be silly, but
you know, and and so I think it's it's a
great concept of of again, kind of reigniting the art
of conversation.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Small three questions, the art of conversation.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, this will segue for me. You have tons of
experience in the art of conversation. And as we see,
you know how traditional and digital media is changing and evolving.
I know that you're creating more podcasts. So how do
you envision the future of podcasting and radio in a
digital world? Is this where people should be putting their money.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think people should be putting their money here without question,
in the digital world, and I'm hoping that more black
and brown people do it because this is the area
traditionally that.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
We fall behind. Even when you look.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
At the education system, when you look at the fact
that our schools are not really taught well when it
comes to digital there in some areas you're lucky enough
where they are expanding those programs.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
But I think again, traditionally.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
We're always the last one to climb on board, and
so we don't get the opportunity to be able to
take advantage of the money that flows. We We just don't,
and I think it's very sad. So I would say
this is the area for sure in the digital space,
because you may not like it, you might feel as
though it rubs you the wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Way, but it's a lot like CDs.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
If you remember when you were, if you are of
the age a lady of a certain age such as LL,
do you remember how hard it was for people to
let go of their vinyl and their seat, their their cassettes.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
We were like, oh, this is blasphemous, what are you
talking about?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And then from the CD to the MP three people
didn't They wanted nothing to do with it. And I
happened to be working at a record label at that time,
and I remember pds and DJs were pissed. They were like,
what is this digital?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Nobody wanted it your The fact that you did not
like it did not stop it. And so I feel
the same way.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's what you talk about it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I don't want to be a don't be a dinosaur.
You have to evolve or you will be you will
become extinct. It's very and so I think it's a
matter of practice that you should put into place of
always trying to stay on top of the trends and
knowing which trend will come and go and knowing which
one will stay.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Listen. Gp chat.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
People are nervous about it, and I don't blame them.
I'm a little nervous too, but I'm not scared because
I know it is the future.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
It is coming whether you want it or not.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I say that all the time. And you know, one
of the biggest things, especially if we talk about in
the black and brown community, is it's coming, whether or
not you want it. And so why I love conversations
like this, Why I love just telling people we got
to be driving it this time. We can't be at
the back of the line playing catchup, asking for you know,
help supporting. This is where we need to be creating companies.
This is where we need to be at the forefront
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figuring out how radio music, AI chat, GPT we can
use it all too art.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
With that question, because let me tell you something. Have
you ever gotten to the bottom of a box of
cereal or a bag of chips? You know what's at
the bottom of the tail end, not the but chromes.
And that's what happens to us. We come in the
end and we don't get the beginning or the middle,
which is always the best part. When you get to
the end, you're getting the chromes. So you're not getting
the best of it.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
We're not here for the crimes anymore. Almost twenty twenty period, Jasmine,
I'm going to shift us all the way to the
left because not only are you an inspiring media personality,
you do the work in so many different spheres, philanthropy
being one of them. And you have been very candid.
You've told us much about your story, your ups and
downs and struggles. But I want to take a minute
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to talk about Jasmine Cares and Adopted in Winning and
talk about how these initiatives are empowering women and families
to support adoptees.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So Jasmine Cares came about because I was You know,
anybody who's been in the media, especially radio, you know
part of your job is community outreach, and so the
station will have you in the community doing various things,
showing up at different schools and speaking at functions, and
it used to always bother me because I know what
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it felt like to be left behind or to feel
left behind, and so I began to think it's interesting.
I come in and I say all of these amazing words,
and I give them words of encouragement about you can
do it, and then I go on back to my life,
and there they are the next day, you know, trying
to figure out Okay, well I felt great.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I was on a high.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It's like going to church on Sunday and then Tuesday,
trying to keep the same tennis that you learned on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
But it's Tuesday now you're feeling different.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So, you know, I wanted to create something that would
be kind of like a bridge to those kids even
after that day was over. And so I wanted them
to know if no one else cares, Jasmine does, Jasmine cares.
And so I created this whole platform that allowed them
to have access to me, so that even after I've
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gone and we've had this amazing day full of inspiring
words and being able to touch one another, when I'm gone,
I'm still here, so I'm never really gone.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm always here, and so I wanted to be able
to assist them and be that bridge.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And so I thought, I may not, because of my schedule,
have the opportunity to be with them all the time.
But the one thing that I always knew is that
when you are on the road to success, or when
you're building your own kind of foundation to success, you
meet a lot of people. And so if I can
just find out from them, what is it that you want?
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And I was always clear and saying, I'm not going
to do the walk for you. I'm not going to
do the work for you. But what I will do
is connect you and it will be up to you.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And so I would do things.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Like I've met a lot of stylist, a lot of
makeup artists, a lot of hear people along the way,
and so if I met someone who wanted to be
a model, I would say, Okay, I tell you what.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm never going to say that you don't have what
it takes to be a model.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I'm not going to because life is not never going
to tell you what you don't have. It's not going
to tell you that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It's going to show you right.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And so I thought, well, I don't want to take
the air out of your sales. So what I will
do is I will connect you with a hairstylist, a
makeup artist you know, and a clothing stylist, and.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
They will wow all of these things together for you.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Now, when you get your pictures, it's up to you
now to knock on doors and they will tell.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You either you have what it takes or not.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Because if you think about it, looking back over your
own life and your own career, think about the thousands
of people that you've met along the way, and all
it takes is for you to make that one phone call,
that one connection, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
It could change the life of someone.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And so that's what I began to do with that initiative,
and then with the Adopted and winning.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I got tired of hearing people.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Think that kids who are adopted, and I came from
the era where it was it was it was taboo
to speak about, and so now every not everything of
which must.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Have been really difficult, it was.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Very difficult, and so I wanted to kind of get
rid of that stigma that because you're adopted, that somehow
you're flawed from the beginning, and that because you lived
in foster care that somehow, you know, you are tarnished
and things are wrong for you. And so I wanted
to create a platform that highlighted that you could be
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adopted and winning.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And I am one of those people. I'm adopted in.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Winning, and I want people to feel that way about
themselves too, that you too are adopted in winning, the
fact that you're still here, you're living, you're breathing, and
you made it. You're winning, and so you know, I
try to speak to that, and I try to encourage
people who are adopted to talk about that so that
they can share that story to other people who are
in foster care waiting to be adopted, who are constantly
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being told that you know, you're a bad seed, your
mama didn't want you, or this.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I'm trying to destroy all of that.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Heartbreaking. You know, one thing I just love it is
it is really heartbreaking. And I think, you know, we
as you look at it now, we are doing better
because there was so much back, you know, ten twenty
third however, many years ago that we just were like
what we knew as.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Society was just don't talk, don't tell.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And so now being able to have don't tell my
business about it. Don't tell my business. Smile, absolutely don't
tell my business. So being able to have these conversations
again just openly and candidly, it removes so much of
the shame that we don't need to have placed.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
If you think about it, it's you know, the fact
that for me it was a secret.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I don't know anything good that's a secret, not even
the secret recipe to KFC.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It can be good.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So if you call it a secret, I mean I
instantly think it's something bad that is supposed to be
kept in the dark, and then immediately I think there's
something wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And so I'm out to change all of that. And
just to kind of piggyback on what.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You just said, it's wonderful that now that we know better,
we're trying to do better for the new generation of
people in foster care and adoption. But think about the
entire segment of the population, such as myself of a
certain age, who's still dealing with PTSD from that what
about us, you know?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And so that too is part of my adopted and
winning campaign is going back and capturing people like me
of a certain age that are still dealing with the
trauma of being adopted or being in foster care.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I mean you also talked a little bit about, you know,
growing up in the Sabbath, where it was just it
is still closed and they're still reluctant to move the
needle and make the social progress that so many desperately need.
So I appreciate you being able to stand and use
your voice, you know, if you're adopted and winning, and
call people to this because they're stille. I know you
were passionate that you've mentioned Row versus Wade like two.
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There's still a lot of work to be done, you know,
in helping people find the healing that they.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So write you say, But I think that people like
you who have conversations like this and other people who
are out there doing the work, it's things like this
that help and that will amplify and shine the light
on some of these you know, barbaric and crazy laws
that are still in effect, that make absolutely no sense
and do the community as a whole no service at all.
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As a matter of fact, it does a tremendous disservice.
It's silly, you know, it's really funny.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I really believe in like those little conversations that just
spark something and someone And it's funny because I lost
my mom when I was twelve, and back then, you know,
we just didn't really talk. I had family around me,
you had support, but it was like, let's just not
talk about it all the time. And it wasn't until
I was at a work event, at like a chamber event,
and this woman was at the front of the room
talking about how she lost her mom at twelve years.
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I was in my thirties, I guess at twelve years
of age, and I was like, this one is crazy.
Why out loud?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know people are living, not a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Doesn't she know people are listening? And fast forward if
she founded a grief organization specifically for kids, and we
have helped thousands upon thousands of children and families. But
sometimes it's just this. So I love hearing you talk about,
you know, your struggles, your journey and then being able
to give back, because it truly is once you find
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something that you're passionate about that you connect about, the healing.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Is all yours, is all yours.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
And you know, let me say, I'm so sorry to
hear about your mom. And even though I know it
was when you were twelve. You know, I lost my mom.
I lost both of my mothers, my mama that raised
me and my biological mother. And I say to people
all the time, it is not a sorority or fraternity
that you want to be a member of. It's very difficult.
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And I don't care.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
How old you get. You always need your mama. You do.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And I think that you suffer, you do some type
of trauma that never seems to go away.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
You just learn to deal with it every day.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And so I am sorry for you for your loss,
and I hope that you were not able to really
process it, but I hope that you find a way
to process it, to face us and to be able
to deal with it so that you will be a
blessing to someone else who has lost their mother.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And you know what, I say this now, I enjoy
doing that work because it is not always easy, you know,
it takes it, but I enjoy it and I look
at it so much differently, and I enjoy even talking
about it with people, like saying this on the radio
or having these conversations like it is it is freeing,
it is healing. And one of the things like at
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the organization, you know, I serve on the board. I
volunteer there all the time, like being around children and families,
and I just see how we are able to do
so much better now for our children and our families.
And it's just it's an evolution. And you know, people
did the best they could with what they had.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
That's it. That's all you could do, you.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Know, And the evolution yep, yep, yep. And you know
it also goes as I bring it back to talking
about money now, it's the same thing. I think on
our perspectives of how we look at money. We look
at how our parents were just like either spend it,
don't spend it. And now as we look at kids
and how we're talking to them so that they can
make those connections between listen, this little piece of paper
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that you know and I don't even know half our
audience knows what a check is, but making those correlations
between like how we make money, how we earn it,
how we save it. Like all of this, I just think,
you know, how we deal with our family relationships, grief, adoption.
I just think it makes us for a better society,
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a better world. And I just commend you on the
acts of service that you're doing for being candidly sharing
with our audience and doing all that you do yours
and just.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I appreciate that and I receive it. I really do.
I really appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I think it's important, you know platforms like this just because,
like I said, I think you know, when you know better,
you do better. And you know, I do believe that
your relationships with your family is a lot like your
relationship with money.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
It's true, if you have secrets, then you have secret debt.
You know, if you have a.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I think the way you treat your money is like
you treat your family. And I think it's unfortunate I
came up when during a time when you didn't talk
about money because that was part of the secrecy. You
didn't talk about your salary, you didn't talk about the bills,
you didn't talk about any of that. And you know
what happened to me because of that, Because of that secrecy,
when I went off to college, every credit card company
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that was at the bottom of the university center got
me and they got me in debt quickly. And I'm thinking, now,
you know, I don't have a job, I'm in school,
but they convinced me that I needed this car. So
I started out bad. And you know what I did.
I kept it a secret from my mama. I kept
it a secret because she started a secret.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
This is such a class.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I kept the secrets going.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
And so for a long time I never talked about,
Oh my god, I was in debt, and oh my god,
I got thrown out of an apartment and I got
a car repossessed, and I got all of this because
of secrets, instead of being open and having an open
dialogue with family, to be able to say, hey, I'm
in trouble. Maybe you can help me out of this
trouble by teaching me how to take care of my money.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's why you have to have open conversations.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And the more we talk about it on platforms like this,
hopefully people are listening. So that you understand the importance
of credit. You understand the importance of money coming in
versus money going out, and how you spend your money,
and you know, are you getting a good return on
whatever investment you're liking?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You save it, all of this, all of just as Oh, Jasin,
you are a jewel and a gem. But before we leave,
can you tell us anything more about any upcoming projects
that we should look out for and where they can
where we can find you number one on social media,
and where we can find your morning show.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It's an afternoon drive show. Afternoon Drive so on, We're
going to take on social media.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You can find me at I Am Jasmine Sanders very
simply because I am who I am. I Am Jasmine Sanders. Yes,
projects that are coming up that I'm super excited about.
I am launching a tour called the Jasmine Experience, and
the platform will be based.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
On there with this woman.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
The platform will be fighting for your joy.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And the reason why I think this is important is
because I think we as black women specifically, spend our
entire lives fighting for everything. We fight for money, right
the right to be paid equally. We fight for relationships,
We fight for our family, we fight for our man, honey,
We fight for everything, but we end up dying before fighting.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
For our very own joy, for our piece of happiness,
to be who we were before the trauma.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
And so it is a passion for me to help
people women reconnect with that little girl who used to
laugh with reckless abandon who didn't care that.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Her hair was all over her head. We didn't care.
We just wanted to have a good time.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And so it will be a joy party basically where
I will be going around to different markets that we
are on in and we're on and almost ninety markets
across the country, and we will laugh together. There will
be no tear shit. We I'm not gonna say we're
not gonna pray, because I believe in prayer and everything,
but it's not going to be about focusing on and
(35:50):
laughing and having a good time and remembering who we
were before the trauma set in, and so, uh, you
can expect to hear more about that. I'm also in
the process of writing a book about the same subject,
Claiming Your Joy, So I'm super excited about that as well.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
It's a really big publisher, so I'm super excited about
that as well.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
But I'm working on that and other elements that you know,
I'm working on. You know, we are going coming back
to TV with the radio version of the TV version
of the radio show, and I'm hoping for more opportunities
and TV and I'm working on screenplays and things like that.
Like I'm I'm I believe in every day of your
(36:32):
life to fill it up so that when you can't
write anymore, when you can't talk anymore, when you can't
walk anymore, there's nothing else to be done because you've
done it all. Use everything and every part of your
body while you still have it. And that's what I'm
trying to do.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Use it up.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I want to be like that thing of toothpaste where
you're just trying to squeeze some more life out of it.
So at the end I know that I will hear
well done.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Wow, I'm inspired. Well, I am here for all your joy.
You better let me know. We will stay tuned because
I will bring my joy to.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Your Yes, you are invited, and thank.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
You so much.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Really, I'm there, I'm here for the joy.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Listen, We're going to stay in contact. Please.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I would like that you are more than invited. I
would love to sit down and break bread with you anytime.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I believe in that.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I think that's important because I think you know, energy
is important, connecting so that you can emit more energy,
positive energy out in the world.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Well, thank you you, kind and beautiful soul. Thank you
for inspiring our money moves, audience and all that you
do and Money Movers. That's all the time we have
for today, but make sure you tune into Money Moves
wherever you get your podcasts, so you too can have
the keys to financial wealth, health and stability you so
rightly deserve.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
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Speaker 2 (38:12):
Were easy, everyone would do it.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
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