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Episode 147 of More To It

00:00 -- What's Up with Dat Dude?!

04:45 -- DK Metcalf Candy Diet?!

12:19 -- Deshaun Watson a Changed Man?!

24:02 -- Stephen A Smith All In on Shannon Sharpe!

31:34 -- Wiley's World!

32:15 -- Fu*k Up Some Comments!

37:54 -- Wiley's World HOF'er Appearance: Kobra

39:35 -- Best Shannon Sharpe Undisputed Replacement?!

42:15 -- New York Jets Win Total Prediction w/ Aaron Rodgers?!

44:51 -- Wileyism!

47:47 -- Close

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back to More to It. To show that takes
a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment,
and culture. Start with headline news and then journey to
deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are presented
in every single story. I'm your host, Marcel Swally, that
dude over here still bang banging with y'all. Man. Love
for you guys, big heart felt love because a whole

(00:25):
lot of good is going on right now, so you
know us got to show you that love. We're gonna
start it again. Reset, as Coach used to say, don't
get bored with success. What you mean, coach? He said,
if it weren't just rents and repeat it? So damn it.
Friday swag Away, Here comes another book. Last week's winner
was Jeremiah Taylor. This week it could be you, ah,

(00:47):
just like on game shows. Right, and we still got
our hundred K giveaway Wednesday, exact day in time, we're
going over a hundred kick and k. We picked up
like a thousand over the weekend. And look we are
at nine to six point six something, so we are
almost there. Might be this week, man, you can get
those playing cards right there, or you can get. There's

(01:09):
straight out of Jersey. Ee sucker here lightening it up
because it's the lightning boats from the old school San
Diego Chargers that don't even exist anymore. So now let's
talk about well we always start to show off with
what's up with that? Dude? Okay? I went to an
amazing dinner. Now y'all probably thinking on the grand scale,
some crazy stuff. Nah, this is something we all can do,

(01:32):
we all need to do. I went to a friend's
house that invited us as a couple. My wife and
I and two other couple sat down, had tacos. But
you know what the purpose of it was was to
really just energize their rolodex, energize their network, people that
you always know but you don't always see, right. And

(01:55):
the two people they invited were their neighbors living five
years across from somebody, and I think they've seen each
other like three times. You know, it's always like hey, hey, hey,
hey hey. Then finds like let's break bread. Okay, So
they invited two of their neighbors and us, so obviously
we wouldn't have anything in common, and knowing them walked in,
what's up? What's up? Then you start breaking bread and

(02:17):
breaking that ice. Long story short. One guy's a hugely
successful lawyer out here in Los Angeles, so successful he
got his own social media. I was cracking up. That
was funny. And then the other guy in this couple,
they were into real estate on a major scale, on
a major level, so that was fun. And you know
me and you know my wife, so it was just

(02:38):
great to see us. By the end of the night,
we all exchanging numbers. Oh we gotta play pickaball, all,
we gotta go hang out, all we gotta you know,
it's one of those things. But none of that happens
if you just don't simply put it on the calendar
and invite a couple people. I have come a long
way because I would never ever thought of doing this before,
because I am the type that when I don't see
you but I know you, I'm gonna invite all of y'all.

(03:01):
We gonna have a big, old, grand like playboy man
shit looking party, except without the playmates, but one of
you know, hundreds of people. I like it like that.
My wife used to always argue me, baby, that's not intimate.
You're not even talking to anybody. It's just hot hai hai,
is my might as well not even invite him because
you're not even gonna get into their lives and vice versa.

(03:21):
So I have come a long way to actually enjoying
those type of things. Make sure y'all do it as well.
Trust me, it is rewarding and fulfilling. Also, the next
night I went to the spot. It was a birthday
for my homeboy's wife, so she my homegirl. But you know,
always got paid of respect my homeboy's wife. So we
show I know, first of all, he was the man

(03:43):
in high school, my boy big roots, the man like
triple og status, first pretty boy ever looked up to,
like he just had him just from hello. Girls loved this,
but still to this day, big old dude and his
wife who is the true homie right there? So we
show up. I know who's gonna be there, them types.

(04:03):
I was like, all right, all right, Marcellos, put the
lion in the cage and throw away the key and
hide it. Don't let them find you or else I'll
be streaking looking for KFC. Right. So anyway, I go
to this party, and of course my eyes are just
like amazed. I mean, good lord, the world keep spinning
and boy, you keep grinning because pretty girls everywhere my homeboy.
There we pounded a couple makers and diets, loving life.

(04:26):
That was an amazing The best part about it was
they played old school hip hop. That means all them youngsters,
all them pretty girls and all them pretty boys, and
you know they want to go out there and just
be on the ig and do all that little corny stuff. Nah,
this was old school hip hop. Baby. You had to
go out there have fun party and we had a blast.
All right, y'all. They ain't playing any of that bubblegum

(04:47):
rap there. They ain't playing any of that candy wrap.
And speaking of candy, a look at my man DK Metcalf.
He revealed his diet and it was full of candy.
Caught Kevin Garnet off guard. So he has one secret
ingredient to his diet and his success, bags and bags

(05:08):
of candy, racks and racks and rats of candy. So
he talked about his diet with Kevin Garnet on the
Showtime show KG Certified and out of curiosity because you know,
Garnet's interviewing him, and you just gotta keep it real.
This is the one thing about podcasts that is a
little different than scripted TV or question Q and a
TV is because you can go off the rails in time,

(05:31):
but who cares what time? You know? And Kevin Garnett
just looking at that DK with all them damn muscles,
he probably be like, man, this dude gotta eat like
pure lamb every single morning, right, And he was like,
so tell me about your diet, big dog. I'm kind
of curious about your eating schedule. And he said, talk
about how important nutrition is. Nutrition is huge, even leading

(05:53):
them to the answer like nutrition is huge, right, Metcalf said, Uh,
I'm probably the worst person I ask that, homie. I'm
a candy type person. I eat one meal a day,
drink one coffee, and eat like three full bags of candy. Kaboom. Right,
So it's shop Garnet dives deeper intoe. It's like what
man defined bags of candy jelly beans? Nah? See, I'm

(06:16):
a gummy type of guy, he said, so you get
life Savers Gardner cut them off. It was like, dog,
come on, man, stop, stop, come on, hold on, stop,
like he couldn't believe it, and disbelieve because when you
see somebody that jack immediately to make yourself feel better. First,
don't act like you show damn curious. Everybody knows how
to eat right, Like we had to learn what was

(06:37):
at the food table when we were growing up. The
four nutrition groups which don't really work, food groups which
don't work, don't don't follow that, yo ass me fat.
But everybody knows what it takes to really be lean.
So when you're asking, all you're trying to do is
here's somebody who has an insane sacrifice or dedication to
their diet that you don't have. So then you could

(06:58):
be like, oh, if I did that, I look like
that too. That's all you doing. You ain't slick. So
he did that, and Metcalf said, all right, I take
you through my diet from yesterday. So yesterday I woke up,
worked out, worked out again, Boss, came home, showered, I'm hungry,
ran the Starbucks. Got a quick coffee that's gonna hold
me to four five o'clock. This is twelve, it's noon.

(07:20):
He talking about, it's gonna home me for like four hours.
Around four thirty. Order some candy in the water. He
ordered water, got the Skills gummies. Then I got the
Lifesaver Creations. They the same size bag. So I just
mix them. Get the gummy, get the candy, get the water.
Eat that. That's gonna hold me to like eight o'clock.
I'm having dinner at eight or nine. Then I eat dinner,
go to sleep. I'm a candy eater, big dog. So

(07:40):
after that shock, you know, they just had to move
on to the next subject, like, bruh, I look better
than you one. I'm younger, but I look better than
y'all because I just got that DNA, I just got
that metabolism, and it's not hurting them this candy diet.
Because obviously the dude's a pro bowler and the star
receiver for the Seahawks last four years. Out there beastings.
So the first question we need to ask ourselves is

(08:03):
a simple one. It's one of those like thought experiment questions,
but it's really simple. Would he be a better player
with a better diet? Because everyone thinks yes, yes, But
it's not that simple, right, because if you ever talked
to someone who's had their blood type actually linked to
their diet, there are certain people out here that can

(08:24):
eat things that you're a deem are wrong or not
going to help them, and it's actually okay with them
and vice versa. I give you example, one of my
friends can't eat chicken like chicken like. If he eats chicken,
he actually gets bloated and he has all kinds of
intestinal issues, right, and it's not like he's alert as
the chicken. He was eating chicken forever, but what the

(08:46):
problem was, it wasn't contributing to his best optimal health.
So he always had a layer or two, looked a
little chunkier than he had to. Went to the damn
nutritionists and the dietician basically said, you cut that chicken out,
You're gonna be fine, and Suckle lost twenty pounds cutting
out checking. So all I'm saying is I played with

(09:08):
guys before insanely yoke guys like me. I look, I
it's you know Shannon Shark to me. You know how
Shannon Sharp looked now and he older than me, and
he looked like man, he was at that golf tournament.
Y'all just go to his ig. I ain't seen that
many muscles on somebody over fifty in my life, So
it's the difference between that and this. But I have

(09:29):
not done the blood type link just yet, so I'm
knowing I'm eating something that I probably think is good
for me that is actually bad for me. Greg Jones.
You guys remember Greg Jones. Look him up, former running
back from Florida State. Yokest guy I've ever seen with
my eyeballs playing the game of football. Let's just say Greg.
I seen him before. Pound a triple bacon cheeseburger classic

(09:52):
Combo from Wendy's and still have six packs on six
packs to the next level. Even when I was in
the league, when I I was joked up. I love
Cheetos and Hawaiian punch. It wasn't going nowhere. Everybody come
over my house, him, him, hurt, hurt, whoever it was. Bodies, bodies, bodies,
everybody come over. There were like, damn Wally, where was

(10:13):
that from? Cheetos and Hawaiian punts? Every damn day I
was like, hell yeah, six pack on six pack, just
random like that. So even growing up, I used to
smash a steak. Of course, you think that'll keep you lean,
but the baked potato and the French fries with it,
and I mean both of them, but I still had
the back back back just like that. It's just crazy.

(10:35):
You could say metabolism, but there's a little more to
that equation. So now I'm trying to get to that place. Nah,
I know I can't eat candy can I'm just gonna
be hey, hurry. I just can't do it. But I
know what I can do. Intermittent fasting works for me.
Say what you want, I don't need to eat breakfast,
and I don't intermittent fasting, and then I'll have one

(10:55):
mill a day. So my now schedule, when I'm disciplined,
when I'm on it, not lie to y'all say I
do it every day. It's simply as this. I don't
eat breakfast, have me a shake, and then have some
tacos with ketch up for dinner. Y'all may laugh at that,
but that is actually a leaner meal than most. It's
only like forty grams of carbs in there and less

(11:16):
than a thousand calories. Not bad for the big eighteen
wheeler over here. So it's DK's diet, the worst diet
y'all ever heard. Like, I know y'all didn't imagine this
sucker really went that far to eating like that, But
do y'all think if he ain't better, you play better,
because sometimes you can have that thought experiment or not?
And do you think it's Kenny Dyan's gonna catch up
to him in a negative way? Of course you're gonna

(11:38):
say yes, But when you think that's gonna happen? So far,
no signs of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Love for you
guys out there for supporting your boys. So we're gonna
have that Friday swag away. Who gonna get it this week?
Get that book? Never shut up? Also, got the cars
right here right yell oh, look at that, that's me
turning the corner. Fin and get busy, and we got

(12:00):
right here to Hershey Jersey, right? I always like saying Hershey, Jersey.
I don't know why, it's just kind of wrongs. I guess,
all right right there, this Jersey right there could be yours.
Guess when we're going over one hundred k we had
ninety six six somewhere in that world. Ooh, this week
it may happen. Right now, let's go help, help, help,
let's get it all right. Speaking to somebody who got

(12:20):
some help and actually took advantage of it, supposedly is
the Browns, Dashawn Washton. His GM says he's in a
really good place. DeShawn says that the suspension changed me.
All right, get into this story real quick before I
let y'all know what I think about is So Andrew Berry,
who is the Browns GM said at the opening of
training camp, I think this is going to be a

(12:42):
big year for him professionally and personally. We think he's
in great shape physically. He's been really good on the field,
and I love what he's done off the field, So
very excited about him. So Washston said he's in a
different space now compared with last year. We all don't
even need to imagine that. We know that as facts.

(13:02):
He feels really well, feel really good, comfortable being around
the guys, the locker room, the coaching staff, the organization,
and just the city of Cleveland. So have an opportunity
to go into the season with a full off season
locked in focused. It definitely feels good, and I want
to continue to keep channeling and cherishing all that energy
and positive energy that's been spread around this organization. Let

(13:23):
me stop right there, because he said comfortable being around
the guys. Now, this is the thing that I've always
known and wondered, when will he be completely comfortable? My
answer is never. Now, let me tell you why. I
say never for the rest of his life because it's

(13:44):
a part of his legacy. His grandkids will know this. Deshawe.
Watson will be known in some parts, some degree as
the guy who went through all of these sexual assault allegations,
correct sexual harassment allegations, Like there's no way you ever
are gonna cleanse your palate, your mental mindset towards looking

(14:05):
at the shower Watson and purely only seeing a football player.
You're gonna think about this as well to some degree, right,
don't believe me. Even when Kobe Bryant thought great passed
away immediately there was a bum brush of people, a
population that went right back to his sexual assault case.
It's just the way the game goes. I'll talk more

(14:25):
about that later. So the thing about it was like,
damn to shine. Are you comfortable last year? Obviously not,
because every time you see somebody you can say, hey,
how you doing, McDonald? Oh what's up? Brother? Somewhere in
your head you get triggered if he's not even saying,
if he takes a little longer to say what's up,
or if he walks in the room he doesn't speak first,
or are he just talking to you like, well something, man, Okay,

(14:47):
you've been good what you been up to and you're thinking,
he just want to know about that case. That's the
game that he has to play mentally now, all right,
So let's talk about the eleven game suspension he had
to serve last year and how it changed him. Even
though you didn't elaborate on how or why, because obviously
he's not trying to redig up those bodies that he buried.

(15:07):
He said, the whole situation changed me in a situation
where I just had to lock in on myself facts
channel and really know who I'm surrounding myself with and
just really who's going to be there and support me
even when I'm at my lowest point, and in the
last few years were definitely my lowest point in my life.
But that's part of life. I just grow from it.
I learned from it. I continue to move forward and

(15:28):
push forward and continue to show my real character, my personality,
and who I am his real personality, he said. Okay,
that's the way you have to say it, but that's
obviously not the way you feel it, and that's not
the way you had to process it, because when you
look at this. This wasn't a situation of who he

(15:49):
surrounded himself with. Like, you know, I'm very particular especially
when someone's showing contrition to kind of get get a
guide or a read on how they're really feel it
and when you listen to them and when you read
through it that him saying, Ah, it's around who I
was around. I got to make sure I'm smarter et like,
that is not the core of this issue. Some of

(16:12):
the symptoms came from that, but the illness. The issue
was not who you were around. It's who you were
when you were around them. Just be careful there, all right.
So he also talked about some of the other things
that's going on in his life. He addressed the team
sharing personal details from his life, things that people don't
really get to hear about. Especially last year has been
the media directing and narrating something else his life. His

(16:36):
story has been kind of overshadow, right. So he settled
twenty three lawsuits that were filed against him sexual assault
misconduct allegations. Two more lawsuits still remain active. Okay, now
I'm about to take y'all back to take y'all forward
on this story right here, let's just talk in jin rale. Right.

(16:58):
The only thing the media loves more than tearing someone down,
it's building them up. Be real about that. Nothing better
than a fall from grace except a redemption story like
we love those, we eat those up, all right, But
this situation was interesting because it was so avoidable in
two ways that are blatant to me and pretty obvious.

(17:20):
I think to you, one, don't put yourself in that
compromise situation. I ain't saying, don't mess around with your
massage therapist. Raise your hand if you ever messed around
with your massage therapist when you were in an NFL. Hey, broh,
come on, y'all, y'all better stop playing with me. If
you did in the NFL more than once, raise both hands, like,

(17:41):
come on, man, I'm telling you that, I'll give y'all
a real later, because it ain't about me right now.
It's about helping DeShawn and knowing what Deshaun went through.
Don't put yourself in that compromise in position and that
many damn times, cause now you just rolling the dice,
You playing around, you betting against the house that many times.
Sooner or lady's gonna crap out. That's one, but two

(18:04):
when you get caught. When you got caught up, the
first one reaches out on the lo lo right, Hey, Deshaun,
I ain't tripping at you. I think it was thirty
thousand dollars. Don't quote me. It was no more than
one hundred. I think she got from thirty to one hundred.
First reach out, Hey, I can make this go away
for thirty. I remember having this conversation with Emmanuo Accho

(18:24):
off air because Acho knows that Sean very well, because
he knows David Mullagela, who I know, but they really
know each other. So I was like, oh, I said, man,
look settle. Now I knew that he had that offer.
I was like, settle, settle, because what happens is the
winds I'm talking about, gusty winds will pick up in

(18:47):
conversation and narrative form. If you allow that first domino
to fall, you allow one person to come out in
public and say that somebody else was like, oh, let
me read about that story. Oh that's interesting. Not too
far from where I was with Deshaun. I was in
that position before, whether they telling the truth or not.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Bruh.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Now these dominoes start the far remember saying that I
was like, dog, if he don't let this first one off,
he don't get this one out the way, they gonna
all start talking, and who knows what comes from that.
I didn't expect twenty three lawsuits and all that, but
I didn't know it was gonna get much much worse
and much more expensive. Okay, now how do they get

(19:26):
in this position? Because these women were all feeling dis
dis Yes, I said this, disappointed and disrespected. First, one's disappointed.
That comes a lot from the dudes lying, expectations, absurd
whatever may be, we not on that same page. I

(19:47):
don't even have to lie. You could just be thinking
more about it. Whatever that is disappointed is you expected
something and it wasn't realized. Okay, that's part one. Part
two is the disrespect respected is if you believe the
details of this, you expecting, anticipating that it's gonna be
all good with them, just because hey, I'm Deshaun Watson,

(20:10):
or hey I got all this money, or hey, who
gonna say no? And if you say no, do you
really mean no? Et cetera. We know that road as well.
So disappointed and disrespected. They felt dissed. So in a
situation like this, all of a sudden you look up
and one of them said, that didn't go so well
for me. Now, people have this wrong understanding of settlement.

(20:34):
They always think settlement means guilt. No settlement means I
am going to now pay so I can get my
time back. And when I get my time back, I
will get my peace of mind back, and I will
get back to the money, which I am focused on.
If you don't settle, then all of sudden, you're gonna

(20:55):
be in a tug award. You're gonna be eating up
alive from the inside. In conversation and thought about this instance,
I can't believe they're doing this to me. I ain't
do nothing wrong. Blah blah blah. Not saying you don't
fight for your name, but you fight smart, not hard.
You fight the smartest way, and in this situation, I
never thought this was the smartest way. There are a

(21:15):
lot of celebrities who have settled. Some you know, some
you don't because they're like Dog. You know how much
his workout bonuses are, Like he could go in the
weight room, bench press once set, get up and say
that's thirty thousand dollars that could have paid that settlement
off and then know more about this conversation. I hear y'all,
y'all like, how you know somebody else they gonna do that?

(21:37):
Whatever y'all gonna say, add it up. Was it gonna
be the same amount as this, no worse? Was it
gonna cost him his name like it did, like it has,
like it will forever. Come on, y'all, that's the situation. So, hey,
I wasn't in this group of counsel. I said it
on air, I said it to the people that knew them, etc.

(21:59):
It is what it is. But there's nothing more disturbing
than me as a person, especially if he's innocent, which
I don't believe he is, but hey, who am I?
But there's nothing more disturbing that his name being in
that position, locked in as the guy who committed these
or at least settled for these with stains your brain

(22:22):
all the way through when this could have been swept
under the rug and he could have continued getting to
that money and getting that ball on. So it's just
an interesting conversation. I love to see what you guys
think about it in those comments. So do you believe
Watson's comments? Right? Did the whole situation change, how you
guys feeling about that situation, and the fact that his

(22:43):
life for real has been overshadowed by this. I have
not talked or thought about Deshaune Watson the last two
three years outside of this, except when he did come
back and he didn't look at his best. Well was
it seven touchdowns, five interceptions, fifty eight percent completion percentage?
Not just John watching. Hopefully everything has settled down, everything

(23:04):
is in his past and he does have peace of
mind so he can focus on that grind Ooh yeah, yeah,
been doing them push ups. I'm getting in tighter. I
got a big weekend coming up. I'm gonna let y'all
know later or what I'm about to do. But it's
going down and I'm gonna show the world what I'm
working with. Hopefully they look and laugh or they love
what they see laugh at me. I don't give it, damn,

(23:25):
because I got that built in excuse. So I used
to play ball, so they like, oh, you not that fat,
because they always expect football players to just fall off.
I ain't fall off. I just tripped a little bit, right.
But sometimes every now and then somebody look at me
like Damn, you look good, and I'd be like, you
ain't got to lie, Craig, you ain't got to lie.
Here we go right here, never shut up this book
Friday swag Away, hook you up? Also our hundred k

(23:47):
cards right here, or or this jersey right here from
the Sandy Hey Go Super Chid just now. They used
to play that song every damn came. It was corn
bread out there. But I still got my ball on,
all right, y'awe. We got to get into this topic
right here. Stephen A Smith want Shannon Sharp on first take,

(24:07):
and it's saying I am not hoting my interest all right.
So we know Shannon reached that buyout agreement with FS
one last month, completed his divorce from skip baylist. Ah,
did he take half? I don't know, but it's now
stephen A has been open for a minute now, but
really hammered it home about attempting to recruit Shannon Sharp,

(24:29):
the Pro Football Hall of Famer, to first take, And
since he's ramping it up recently, it's at a point
now that it feels like, tell me if I'm wrong
that if they don't get Shannon Sharp on first take,
it may feel like a failure. It may look like
it's a problem instead of just a normal recruit. Right,
let's talk to it. So he said, make no mistake

(24:51):
about it. I'm not apologizing to a damn show. I
want Shannon Sharp on first take, and I aim to
get him. We are talking to him, and I'll I'm hopeful,
very hopeful, and very confident that ultimately will be announcing
sooner than later that he will be on first take.
All right, So he gotta laughed at the whole notion

(25:12):
that he needs to be quiet through these negotiations, which
I love and salute him for because I hated that, Like,
you got something big on the line, it's gonna affect
you ultimately the most. Like if first take falls off,
ESPN gonna be like, damn, we gotta do another show.
But who gonna feel it the most? Stephen A Smith?
ESPN gonna make another show. Steven A. Smith gonna have

(25:33):
to find another gig, do another thing, and then also
have that niggat tiff thing on his resume. Right, so
you ain't bigger than the machine. So stephen A is
like dog, people be telling me to be quiet when
reality is I need to go out there and fight
for what's mine, which is First Take. Love that about him.
He said that him and the hanchos at ESPN, the

(25:53):
conversations will remain ongoing all this politically correct stuff and
being quiet. I won't Shane his show on First Take, okay, period.
I love that he want his brother at First Take.
I want him as part of the ESPN family, and
I want to have a shinier, shinier light placed on
him than a few of the times that we last

(26:14):
saw him. Oh, I'm not throwing shade on anybody. Yes,
you are. That's why you went there. I love it. Boy.
We tell on ourselves. I told y'all, you just listen
to people. They're telling themselves you're throwing shade. It's okay
to throw shape. It's okay, all right, especially not him,
and especially not my man Skip Bayless. Nobody mentioned them names. Ah,
but what happened happened. It was for public consumption. Yeah,

(26:37):
so it's okay, throw your shade. I'm gonna throw it
with you, all right. I not only want him for
First Take, I want him for our network because I
consider Shannon sharpened asset and I'm not here to throw
shade on any other show, on any other network. But
I think with a talent like that, I don't think
you let somebody like that walk out the door. So
now the shade is going from SKIP to FS one.
Like basically, I ain't mad at it, okay, So in

(27:00):
this situation, he says, somebody else is lost. I intend
for it to be my game. I sincerely hope and
pray that ESPN works it out. Brother's gonna work it out.
Where's that from? Y'all gonna get that one? But more importantly,
I expect them to. So Smith maintains that he wants
first take the feature rotating cast members and debate partners,

(27:21):
of which he expects Shannon Sharp to be a part of.
We already discussed before. Is that a promotion or demotions
or a lateral move? I guess to go Memphis one
the ESPN, but in a rotating circuit versus having your
own show, y'all tell me? All right? So, getting a
pro Football Hall of Famer with all the muscles named
Shannon Sharp what certainly require more than when they were

(27:44):
offering Remember when they gave Chris russeol mad Dog ten
k per episode. Let's just say that ain't gonna work.
Why because even if you work every single week, once
a week, how much money is that? Y'all? Go? Oh,
not enough for Shannon Shark just didn't let y'all know
right there, and it ain't enough, okay, So y'all keep

(28:07):
the score on stephen A. Smith. I want y'all to
just know this, stephen A. Smith right now is playing
a masterful game of chess. Oh. I heard y'all out there,
y'all trying to say, I ain't know that number five
hundred twenty times? All right, five twenty k okay, good whatever?
All right, here we go, stephen A. Smith. Walk with me, y'all.
He plays some chess, y'all. He plays some good chess. Dude.

(28:29):
I don't even know how to play chess. And now,
even when people say that, because I alway feel dumb, beau,
I don't how to play chess, but I know what
they mean, all right. So this in the last year,
I've heard stephen A say he's hit the wall for
the first time in his career. He been working a
whole long time, a whole lot of and this is
the first time he hit his wall. Interesting, And he

(28:51):
was talking about the coverage he does for the network
and how he's up late and up early, and it's
like it's starting to add up a little bit. All right,
started his own podcast with no affiliations, no ownership from ESPN. Okay,
that is a rare feat Ryan Clark. You know, he
didn't start the pivot. He came in obviously with the
pivot because it used to be before. But it's rare

(29:15):
somebody under the umbrella just says, let me step out
and do my own thing, right. Hm, you know that's tough,
but he did that. So that's two things. Now, he's
openly recruiting Shannon Shark. Why do I bring that up?
Because there's two ways that go. In case of failure,
you don't get Shannon Shark, you can easily have now
a quarter of public opinion or narrative going, oh man,

(29:39):
did they do all they could to help Stephen? Ay?
Did they do all they could to get Shannon Sharp?
And to help first take oh man, Stephen, they could
even if he wanted to go out there and say, yeah,
we fell short. I don't know why we have the
resources we should have been able to get them. Or
they actually do get Shannon Shark, right, and they bring
them in and the contract is up and Steven been

(30:00):
putting all these wonderful chess pieces in place for a
leverage as he should, as you have to. And then
he's like, oh, well, y'all got my air parent right here,
and that is Shannon's Sharp. Now why I bring up
air parent because he has said, stephen A. Smith, he
wants to be the air parent of who Jimmy Kimmel.

(30:22):
He wants to be the next late night talk show host.
Throw us all for a loop, he said, but also
show you he has more muscles to flex, which I
love as well. So he's already talking about his next
gig if he could get it. Meanwhile, bringing in somebody
who we all know will be capable of holding down
the fort and continue in the legacy of first take

(30:44):
if necessary, so there's no losing in this situation. Man,
it is crazy. So this whole Chess Master that I'm
seeing wonderfully played by Stephen A. Smith, If I say so,
Mike sol, how do you think it's gonna play out?
How do you think it's gonna end? Do you think
Shannon Sharp is going to first take? Do you even
care like you're gonna watch stephen A Whoever out there,

(31:06):
don't matter right, Uh, where do you think Shannon really
is going to go? And what about the shade? Was
that really shade? Why don't we always got to qualify
it like a shade or not shade? He just speaking
what we all saw when we all witnessed, which was
at times unnecessarily the undressing of a Hall of Famer
for I don't know ratings, ego, viewership, etc. So let

(31:29):
me know what you guys think about this in totality,
will have some fun in the comments, bang bang bang
what they do? Hearts like this Where I'm from, that
was Compton cript people getting jacked for the stop banging
out here, man, I saw too much growing up. All right,
y'all Friday swagger away, get some of that love. Never
shut up. Gotta be a member to win that book.
I'm gonna tag it up, sign it out. People be

(31:51):
having their own personalized Can you write this, dear Nancy?
I still love you know what I mean? Whatever you
want in there, I'll write it. I don't give it, damn.
Here you go. You get one of these jerseys if
you can guess when we go over one hundred k,
or you can get these playing cards, or am I
give you both. I don't know, just exact day, exact
time we go over one hundred k and make sure

(32:11):
you find that post in the community section on our page.
All right, let's pull up some comments right now, Dan
Snyder find sixty million dollars. Good lord. The irony is,
if Dan had got a new stadium built, this entire
situation would have been under the rug. Damn The bottom
line numbers was the only issue, and not the allegations.

(32:34):
It is what it is. He said. Basically, if he
ain't got that new stadium bill, we wouldn't even be
talking about this. WHOA Ain't it crazy when you follow
the money and all the different avenues and streets that
takes you on. It's like this street says, if you
spend all this money for this stadium, we'll forget a
lot of your indiscretions. This one says, if you try

(32:54):
to get it out the public or don't build it,
somebody gonna remind me of all the problems I really
got to you get it. And sometimes we don't even
sneeze at that. Police are great at that they bring
you in for interrogation. Oh, you make my job easier
on me, lighter sentence, You know, we'll give a recommendation
for you if you're done, and I still figure it
out and find out that's your ass, right. Isn't that crazy?

(33:16):
That's how the game goes. So here's another one. It
was not enough, but he is rich and has some
kind of dirt on the NFL. He got away for
a long time and a slap on the wrist. Think
about it, how big a stakes, how high stakes poker?
This is? He got away with a slap on the
wrist at sixty million dollar fine, lose your franchise, but

(33:36):
make six billion dollars. That's what we're talking about right here.
But he did have something on the NFL. Or at
least he had a loud enough voice and a squeaky
enough will that the NFL didn't want to roll where
he was gonna take him. You know what I mean.
Even if you win the fight, NFL, you gonna know
you've been in a fight with Dan Snyder. Don't think

(33:57):
the NFL wanted to deal with it. See, this is
what I was talking about this y'all. It let's just
get rid of that, you know what I mean. We
ain't going to when the last time, y'all see the
NFL deposed in court. Colin Kaepernick was the closest I
think of late Cap had him on the hook settle.
Then NFL's like, here you go, sh we ain't trying

(34:19):
out ourselves and all these damn emails. Jaguars coach comes
out as gay. Great video. I thought to myself, what's
the big deal? No one cares if you're gay, But
it's easy to forget the world has changed considerably and
some people cling to old prejudices and fears. Love your take.
You have to accept yourself before anyone else will. Yeah,

(34:40):
that's my advice, and I say it loud and proud
to anybody who got a problem with who they are.
I don't know. I see it with my kids. I
don't want to say that, daddy, because then they won't
like it more. Then they ain't gonna like it. Then
you better say it. Here's the thing you gotta build
up people. I don't care what you're gonna list that to.
You gotta yourself, and you gotta accept yourself and the

(35:02):
resistance that come from it. Because I'm gonna tell y'all
one thing, no matter who you're gonna name, no matter
who has walked this beautiful planet. Everybody has dealt with
a head wind. Everybody. What do they say all the time?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Man?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
They even kill Jesus. People say that all the time
when they be like man, everybody gonna take some criticism.
So if you gonna sit there and try to my
criticism is gonna be worse than yours. You playing the
wrong game. It's football. Everywhere you play in this world,
somebody is on the other side trying to defend and
trying to come at you. You just gotta deal with it.

(35:35):
So I don't like that when I hear people say, oh,
I was in the closet for pressure, pressure everywhere. Bro,
you better get out that close and live your life.
You ain't getting that time back. You must be true
to yourself first if you really want others around you
to really understand or respect you and your beliefs. Salute exactly.
Let's get the whimbi. You're a league more physical than

(35:58):
the NBA. Old school NBA has been saying it for years.
Thank you. Why we always trying to kill somebody new
like we ain't do our homework. Lucas Ben said that.
Janni's Ben said that. Now he's saying that y'all all mad. Well,
look like y'all ain't mad at Luca and Joannis the
way they play Godly, they nailed that one. They've been bawling.
All right, here's one logic would tell you two summer

(36:19):
league games. It's not a sufficient amount of time to
comment on NBA gameplay. I hear some of that, But
the rules are the rules. Maybe there's gonna be more effort,
more physicality, you think, but you can tell it's like,
all right, you go to a high school, right your
freshman sophomore year like me, Then you transferred that thirst day.

(36:42):
I transferred it from Westchester where all the pretty girls work.
I shouldn't have left, And then I went to Saint
Monica's we're all the smart kids work. I'm glad I went.
I knew that from Hello, like my third period, I'm like, damn,
gonna be a different animal around here, Like, seriously, do
I need to be in this school for two years?
On graduation at the ceremony and finally say, you know

(37:04):
what I learned in the last two years? The school
is different, man? You know what it is? From Hello?
What is that blink? By Malcolm Gladwell? Soon did you
feel it? Soon? You see it, trust it, it's real. Actually,
the EuroLeague is more physically. The post style big men
is gone. In the NBA, no one takes charges or challenges,
drives at the paint, and star scorers don't play defense. Kobe,

(37:28):
Jordan Duncan shack? What? First of all? Kobe played defense?
Did I read this wrong? Jordan Hella defense? Shaq just
him breathing his defense. His size is defense. Duncan. You
might got something on Duncan, But I don't know. I
don't know about that one. If that's your week is linked,

(37:50):
that's pretty damn strong. I don't know about that comment
right there. How that one sneak through? All right? Speaking
of somebody who doesn't have to sneak through, Let's bring
on a hall of famer. And and this hall of
famer is wearing the crown. His name is Cobra breaking
it down? What's up, Cobra? What did it do?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
It feels good to be back with no internet.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Last week I went soul searching and can you imagine
how hard it is to search for anything without the Internet.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Man, it was a struggle last week.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Hold on, you seriously had no Internet for an entire week?
You were that experiment.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It was weak.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
It was like I can watch nothing on TV. It
was buffering. It was a struggle.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Man, oh man, hold on everyone out there. Please you
can also save a life. You for ninety nine cents
a day, Please donate to the Cobra funds so we
can have internet, so we can have our Hall of famers.
Cobra is an amazing guy. We know he spent a
lot of money on the shirt with the patch but
still two different colors. It takes you just us tell

(38:52):
you and the watch, look at the watch, all these things,
but the Wi Fi is not paid. Guys, ninety nine
cents a day saved Cobra's WiFi. I'm messing with you,
big dog. What you got for me?

Speaker 3 (39:02):
They live without it without it? Man, Hey, I got
two questions for you. You know it's make that money
Monday Jeopardy style questions. Uh, you know, I give you
the answer, you give me the question. Example, the answer
would be the one person key sweating is always at
them all with and you will apply with who.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Is nobody baby bad?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
And then you can elaborate after that.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Okay, if we are not this is good, all right?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Three hundred dollars question money is no object, right, the
best person for a place, Shannon Sharp are undisputed.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
The best person. I'm not gonna lie yi yi yi,
I got three that pop out, but let me I
got I got Michael Irvin, No, I got four Michael Irvin,
Max Killerman, t O and Stephens C. Smith Senior? Ha

(40:05):
Who is god Lee? Who is? Who is t O?
Who is Tyo? I think t Yo t Yo? Because Tyo,
first of all, people be like, he don't know basketball.
Have y'all seen Tyo play basketball? Can guarantee you he
is better than everybody in the NBA. That's like the

(40:29):
tenth through fifteenth player, like every team's tenth best player.
T O beating that dude, he should be on somebody,
bitch right now, just collecting the easy check. Now. How
his knowledge of the game, I assume is as good
as the game he has football. Oh, come on, Hall
of Famer, et cetera. And ain't no punk, ain't gonna
talk it and get your popcorn ready? We know it's
gonna be fireworks. I would say him, if you make

(40:51):
me have to say it, all right, what else you got?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
All right?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
And your five hundred dollars question? That's a good answer.
I agree with yo, you need. I think you also
need you know, other athlete that's been there in the trenches,
so they can share that experience to I agree with
you on that one.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
I don't let you off that easy. Nah, okay, let's
bring it up. I don't go racial, but I know
the dynamics and some people internally are like, unless it's
a rotation, could skip be there with Max? I say yes,
but it seemed like by design they say no. What
do you say?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Well, I think you know Max is these a great
personality on TV, and I think they have some good
conversations and nothing to do with race. I just think
you need you don't need. But all the media is
going towards having another athlete. It could be a white athlete,
it doesn't matter, but you need somebody that has that
experience to say nah, nah, I'll skip. You don't know

(41:45):
because of this happens, right, this is what really happens
behind the lines.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
So that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
So so JJ reddick because JJ Reddick do it.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Oh yeah, oh that'll be good. And JJ don't take
anything either, because that'll be real good.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
It's something about like they're both great and I don't
think that's gonna be great, and I don't know what
it is. I gotta think through it, but something about
great and great. I hate.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
It might not last.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
It might not last like Shaq and Kobe or like
t mac evinced Card. It ain't gonna last, but it'll
be good. There you go there, all right, man, give
you a fire dollars question. All right, so we know
quarterbacks are important, but that's one player, right, that's one player.
The number of wins and Rodgers and the Jet skit

(42:28):
this season.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Mmm, since there's seventeen games now, it took me about
a whole year to stop messing that up on air.
I was like, God, dang, dude, Math carried it one?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
They went eleven? Jess got squab bro, they went eleven. Look,
that's a division to Buffalo. Let's go Buffalo. Miami got doubt.
New England just always a thrown in your side, even
if you beat him. But I say eleven because you
know why. I seen it happen already in training camp.
Aaron Rodgers when fully activated, that means he's locked in,

(43:04):
which he normally is, but he's bought in because he
got the receivers. He needs dog. The plan B of
every play is gonna be insane, all right. Saw with
Wilson in one play, he was supposed to run a post,
and then he ran the post, it was covered, broke
off the posts, came back to the corner. dB fell down,

(43:25):
toe tap, touchdown. I was like, that's gonna happen a lot.
So they gonna be good on playing E because they're
gonna be rhythmic. They're gonna have him being methodical, but
the plan be of him, god doubt. They're gonna be
wearing defenses out. Nothing worse than you are prepared before
the snap because you know what they're gonna do, all right,
in this formation, this is what they run. Okay, we're

(43:45):
ready for all the wrinkles out of that. We've seen
it all. We studied up. And then the play breaks down,
and now coach looking at you like that's on. You
brought instincts kick in. But it's not that you don't
have the instincts. Is that you and your teammates don't
have the chemistry with those instincts. Right, I'm doing this,
you doing that. We ain't together. There goes to symphony.

(44:06):
There goes the orchestra. It don't sound too good, and
Aaron Rodders is gonna be like yah, and you can't
defend that all the time. Somebody gonna get it. If not,
everybody gonna get it. So I say, eleven wins, man.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Well, Vegas got them at nine. I'm gonna go one
above that. I think they're gonna win ten this week
next season. So hey, thanks for having me on once again. Man,
we gotta do this more often.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Oh man, that's on you. That's on you and your WiFi.
Let me trying to blame me like I'm over here
keeping you out.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah no, I'm talking to the viewers to start pitching in.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
That's what I'm talking to yeh man. Now, who y'all
go with? Trust, Vegas, Cobra or me. Yeah, they're gonna
win nine games. I'm with Vegas. Let me go all right, y'all,
y'all know how we end every show. We ended with
a y leaguism. Yeah, brought to you by Project Transition.

(44:58):
I just like saying that now, like one of them
corny commercials. Let's get through this one right here, win
through actions not arguments. Whoa we I had to learn
that the hard way and I think I'm still learning,
because sometimes you can catch me out. My voice will
go because I'm talking to you to death about trying
to win this conversation, when this argument, when the reality

(45:21):
whatever we're talking about is gonna be supported in substance
by your actions. So why am I arguing? Why am
I trying to convince you? Raise your hand if you're
guilty of that, Raise your other hand if you're still
doing it and you're still guilty. You know what I mean.
You just get somewhere and you're like trying to correct
someone's behavior, like human beings a wire like we always
could see another situation, usually with greater clarity. Right, it

(45:44):
crystallized for me about you, But it's a little foggy
about you, about yourself, right, and you over there trying
to help your boy out, just chopping up wood, left it, right,
And this sucks. This just happened to me. One of
my boys was talking about he went on the spiritual
journey and went inside himself, you know, And I was
sitting there listening to him. But he since he's my boy,

(46:05):
you know, I ain't lying, And I was like boring,
and he was like, what you mean, man, I've come
through revelations. I was like, boring. I was like, these
ain't revelations. You just ain't winning like you want to
in life. And now you're looking inside yourself. I e.
You ever see somebody go to jail a prison. Sucker's fine,
everything's revealed all of a sudden, I don't found everybody. You

(46:27):
don't found all kind of religions and all this. Why
part of it is because they ain't winning, So all
of a sudden they to find that strength to find
a connection in the bond. They look elsewhere. Right, All
I'm saying is in this situation like this, yo, actions actions,
not arguments. Now listening to my boy liu to me
about his revelations, fool you fifty You knew that before.

(46:50):
You just didn't care before because you were out here winning.
Now you don't feel like you're winning the same. And
all of a sudden, Oh and then we got to
have these arguments all the time about what I need
to do now. Oh I gotta change now because you
done change? What did Tupax say? He was like, I
ain't mad at you, but at the same time, dog,

(47:12):
I am judging you by your actions. And frankly, my
judgment is not gonna be too condemned because I love you,
big dog. So just remember when you're on one side
of it, whether you're the one that's coming around trying
to win all the arguments no, I'm really like this,
I'm really like this, or you the one that's sitting
there like I hear you. But no matter where you

(47:33):
are in this conversation, just remember there's something that's keeping
the score right, something that's really moving the change, and
it ain't those words right. So if you're gonna win,
that game went through actions, not arguments. All right, y'all,
got'll do it. For More to It, check the show
notes for all the information on our topics today today.
Want to keep the conversation going, Let's talk. Find me

(47:55):
on all socials at Marcel's. Wiley More Too is a
production of Dan Patrick Production, Dude Entertainment and Workhouse Media.
Show is executive produced by Dan Patrick, Marcello's Wally Paul Anderson,
and Nick Ponella. Thanks for all the love, ratings and
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