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00:00 -- What's Up with Dat Dude?!
04:16 -- ESPN Jeff Van Gundy: Social Media Has Negative Impact on Sports Players!
08:30 -- Shannon Sharpe LEAVING Undisputed!
14:43 -- State of Sports Media After Shannon Sharpe, Skip Bayless Split
20:53 -- Wiley's World ft. Former NFL WR! | Jimmy Butler Top 10?!, Shannon Sharpe Reaction, Cristiano Ronaldo Money
43:09 -- Wileyism
45:08 -- Close
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back to More to It, to show that takes
a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment,
and culture.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Start with headline news and then journey.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
To deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are
presented in every single story. I'm your host, Marcel Swally.
That dude, lady got my voice. Baby, I am back.
That's why I keep losing my voice because as soon
as I get my voice, I go too far with
my voice. And I'm back here, just like y'all, when
(00:31):
you finally start feeling good, you take your butt out
there and play a whole day of basketball and pick
a ball and then your asses broke down again.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
All right, man, I love you guys out.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
There, appreciate your viewership on Brings TV and Reach TV,
and your membership all Wiley's World. I keep seeing new members.
We keep seeing new members who want things like this
on our Friday Swag Away Swag. Look at this widely
limited edition NFL oh No Sack jersey that I'm gon
get if somebody y'all deserve it, because I wore it
(01:03):
and I'm connected to you. All right, y'all know how
we start off every show because it's gonna be amazing.
What's up with that, dude? Well one, I am milking
my pink eye officially now right like my eyes right now.
I was horrible in art class, so I don't know
red and white makes pink. I do remember that I
ain't get an F But what's.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Lighter than pink? Light? Pink? Like? I don't even have
pink eye anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I got like light pink eye, but it's still contagious.
So because it's contagious, I am tapping out of a
lot of things. Some things I really wanted to do
and some things I didn't. Some things I wanted to
do was go to Boston tonight and speak on the
Harvard Business School panel. I was invited to be there
with a bunch of other executives, but the pink guy
(01:47):
took over, so I can't go there and be the contagion.
I also can't go to my friend Ray's real estate
development party tonight. He builds these mega mansions I'm talking about,
like thirty million minimum mansions, like forty to fifty million
dollar manses, and before the person who buys it moves in,
he throws a big ass party for everybody and we
(02:09):
just tailed their house and act like we're richer than
we are. So I can't go to that even though
I'm still on the edge of that one.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I don't know. I might either wear the glasses to
that one. What else is up with me? Man?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I got a phone call yesterday from Ryan Nice. Y'all
know who Ryan Niece is. He played football in the NFL,
played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Played for a while too. He was a linebacker. Cool cat.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Now he's a vcs an investor, does a ton of
work in the community. But you know what, a lot
of people know him as Ronnie Lott's son as well. Yeah,
he's a beast, right. So I was talking to him
yesterday and I got invited to a fireside chat where
sports and tech knowlogy inter sex. So we're gonna have
(02:54):
a fun Bridge summit fireside chat as soon as the
pink eye heels right. And other than that, I had
that conversation with my boy that got divorced, and it
went exactly as planned, except my daughters were listening and
ear hustling because.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
They ain't want to go to bed.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So I got an AirPod in listen to my boy
talk about his divorces and all his issues, and I
got two divorced dudes on the call and then me
trying to hold my mirriats together.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Damnit. And I'm over here acting like I'm the role model.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Really, I'm the role model of marriage. So it was
just fun to talk through that man. But the best
part about it all is the brotherhood, the community that
you have with your friends. And your friends are supposed
to be your mirror, right, they reflect what you are,
and they tell the truth, and they tell the painful
truth right, nothing else, no lies. I am not the
homie to call if you need to get pumped up.
(03:43):
I ain't pumping you up. I'm telling you exactly who
you are, and that's good enough, and that good enough.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
People got to understand who they are, where none of
us are perfect.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So just accept who you are and work on the
things you're not as good at and then highlight the
things you are as good at. I am not here
to tell you you cuter than you are. You an eight,
You an eight, and I'm gonna tell you eight is great,
and that's enough. And that's why I have so many friends,
because they call everybody else over there to get them
fake ass pump ups and then they come right back
(04:11):
to me and be like, dog.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Tell me the real and I'll be like, now we talking.
So that was fun all that.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Now let's talk to some real from Jeff Van Gundy,
because he says social media has a truly negative impact
on play us.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Whoa with the hard er not a all right?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So ESPN, ABC, NBA, God dang. The analyst we know
is Jeff Van Gundy. Recently made an appearance on the Sports
Media where Richard Dick you know, his podcast, and it
was asked about Victor one by Yama, how you say
his name yep one bye by Narra, and whether he's
had the chance to see the likely number one overall
pick in the draft play before. He has experienced coaching
(04:48):
big men who had high expectations.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Remember he coached Patrick Ewan, Remember he coached yah men,
ya men. You know what I'm talking about. He toasted
both of them. So he brought up a concern of
his and I like this.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
He said that somebody on one of these shows, and
it was actually Chris Bossard on FS one's First Things First,
who claimed that if one but Yama becomes Kevin Durant
or someone of that ILK, it'll be a disappointment. Oh
come on, give me context. Please say that Chris Bassard
didn't just say that and that's it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Come on. I was supposed to go to that show too.
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
When I was leaving Fox, I was like, here you go.
You know what I'm saying, here's a concession. Go over
there with FS one and do the first things first,
which I love. That's actually my favorite show on the network.
But I was like, nah, be that New York Lifestyle
sound a little too straight hand, not enough Wiley, So
I couldn't do it. But damn they out there saying
stuff like this, like you could fall down and be
Kevin Durant and that's not good enough.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
WHOA, All right, here's a quote.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I just hope we all just give him the necessary
time to acclimate to the NBA and we.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Don't over evaluate each and every game. Oh you know,
we are.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Van Gundy, but all of these young people take so
much of their cues on how they're doing through social media.
I just hope we're just a little bit kinder to
him than we are to some people on social media.
You know we're not, But I digress, all right, So
then Dykes chimed in and said it was horrible and
social media would be horrible to win by Yama.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
All right, but he.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
May have an advantage because he's from France and not
being into the social media culture that has wrapped his
arms around.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
The US of A.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I don't know about that. I've left these borders before.
Social media is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I'm out in Mexico trying to order me something to
drink and give me a peanut colada and the dude
looking at.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Him like on his phone. I'm like, DG, can you
just give me a pena klada? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got you on me. But the point is social
media's taking over all these kids, no matter where they're living.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So here's a couple more quotes that I like, I
think does.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Social media does have a truly negative impact on players
and how they feel about themselves. I could walk into
my office every day and see the back pages hung up.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It was humbling. You have to try to make light
of it.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Basically, what's going on right now his social media man
is being internalized. Jeff Van Gundy, stand Ban Gundy, they
all have talked about the fact that they have seen
guys literally who get devastated by what they read online. Right,
and you see that someone's broadcasting and then they check
their Twitter between commercial breaks and come back deflate it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm gonna leave the guys name out of it, but
I saw multiple times with one guy in particular, I
was like, dawg, you letting people you don't even know
just get online and make you feel low, make you
feel bad.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Don't ever give somebody your remote control.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
The two rules of social media are don't respond to
negative comments and never clarify your comments.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You said it, you meant it. That's enough.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
What social media is to me is a beautiful way
to transmit a message across the whole world. But it's
also a microphone and megaphone to the back of the class.
And typically the back of the class is where the
dummies are, right, So it's the loud minority beating up
the haha, we already know beating up the solent majority.
So solid majority, stop being so damn si and start talking.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
The strength is in the numbers. Oh man.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Thank you for your viewership on Brings TV and Reese TV,
and also for your membership while this world on YouTube.
Somebody's gonna win this jersey right here. Oh, this is
that Wiley, This is.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
That one year that one hit a quitter, that one
and done with the cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That's why it looks so crispy, it is so clean.
I ain't put much work in this jersey, but much
love for my time in Dallas. It was an amazing place.
And boy does America love its cowboys. Well, America loves
Shannon Sharp, they love Skip Bayless, they love them together.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
But America, sorry to break your heart, but Shannon Sharp
is leaving FS one's undisputed urn turn Dirt. Durnt told y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Shannon Shark's partnership, let me do my job first with
Skip Bayless will be coming to it and soon. Sharp
and Fox Sports, the parent company of FS one, which
airs on dispute, have reached a buyout agreement.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Buyout agreement. You know what that means.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You're still got time and money on your contract, so
for you to sever the relationship, for you to interrupt
the terms of that, we come to an agreement and
I will give you some of that money and you're
gonna give me some of that time back, right And
that's where they are.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's a buy all.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right, So Shark's final show is expected to be aired
after the NBA Finals concluding June. Now, I am interested
in seeing how these ratings gonna look from now to
the end of June, because you know, when you're going somewhere,
but you're not gone.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Your mind is already.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
In the parking lot or on the private plane to
your next destination, but the body.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Is still here.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And one thing about the human experience, you can't lie
to yourself. That's why detectives always solve the crime, right,
That's why thieves and robbers and criminals always telling themselves.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Because you're lying. And boy, it's gonna be funny to
watch a month of two dudes lying about that they
still cool because you know they ain't. That's gonna be interesting.
I might have to tune in. All right.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So Sharp's popular Club Shay Shape podcast, which draws that big, old,
gigantic audience on social media on YouTube, will also be
leaving Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
A source said, let's stop here.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Remember I told you guys that Club SHAPSHD at one
time did not well, Shannon Sharp didn't own.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Club Shase Shake.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
That's a Fox Sports thing, right now, you get a
rep share deal, and they'll give you some percentages of it,
but in totality it was owned by them. You're doing
the work for them, and they'll just chip you off
as it grows. Well, you remember in his last deal
or I told you maybe a month or two two
ago that Shannon went upstairs and said, look, I got
(10:42):
to get a higher percentage of this because one, this
is the biggest podcast we have. True, So they gave
him a piece of that, and I knew that that
would be a galvanizing moment for Shannon Sharp in terms
of his empowerment. Here's the real of what's going on
over there and why we even got here. Skip Bayless
runs that show, and he's always run that show, and
(11:06):
by the stripes on his sleeve, he should run that show.
Skip Bayless was the first one in that door, him
and Colin Coward both leaving ESPN to come start FS one, right,
So you got to give him respect for that in
terms of the daily shows. With that risk comes a
great reward, including the power that Skip Bayless has. Not
(11:26):
only does Skip Bayless make the most money over there,
but he has the most power in terms of how
he runs his show. Colin runs his show but also
Colin will be a little more open minded into the
terms of his show a little more, but not Skip.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Oh no, no, no, So here's the problem. That's not
the problem.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Skip is here, Shannon started here, use the relationship with
Skip Bayless to get there, right, and then Shannon started
to get.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Way more popular.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
How about this more popular than Skip Bayless? Some would
say based on the podcast numbers, the new generation numbers
social media numbers, like Shannon is popping even more than
you Skip. So when you're doing this in your real
world and you're outer show world, but inside the borders
and structure of the show you're on that's given you
(12:16):
all this jet fuel, nothing's changing. Even when you surpass
Skip Bayless, you still have to be under him in
terms of the terms of this show. Other than the
disrespect and I shouldn't even say other than in addition
to the disrespect that we've seen multiple times from Skip
Bayless told the dude to put his damn.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Glasses on, and he put him on.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Shannon Is multiple times had to ask Skip can he
talk like they're not talking like friends.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
They're not even talking like friends that are beefing.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They're talking like strangers, like in a way, and Skip
new he can always talk to Shannon, the Hall of Famer,
the three times super Bowl champion, because he knew he
controlled the show. But more than that, Kip also felt
that he could control the show and control Shannon's job security.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
That's why this.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Has now come to a head, because Shannon finally just
smelled the roses, finally just took a big inhale and
was like, dog, why do I have to deal with
all of this? We have the incidents obviously, we know
when we went back to the hamdling tweets. We know
we got the incidents with Tom Brady. We can go
through that. But watch my old video four months ago
if you want to know about all that. What I'm
(13:28):
telling you right now, and I am not a prognosticator
like an expert, I can't just predict this stuff. But
I can look at simple, tried truths. I can look
at human emotions and relationships and simply just come to
a summation. This wasn't hard to figure out if you
had the proper information. Because I used to work there,
(13:51):
I was privy to that information that most of you
guys weren't. So putting this all together, what happened was
it was a power struggle. There was a power dynamic
that shifted right before their very eyes and they didn't
want to adjust to And I say zay, because I'm
sure that Shannon wanted to adjust. It is just Skip
(14:13):
was stuck in his ways. So now Skip is gonna
be stuck without the uber popular co host named Shannon Sharp.
Love you guys out there, man, and thanks for your
viewership on Brings TV and Reach TV.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Thanks for your membership. While these word.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
On YouTube where somebody's gonna win this limited edition? Not
Hall of Fame, Hall of suck. I hall of sucked
when I hellisucked when I was in Dallas for that
one year.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
But let's talk about a real Hall of Famer. And
Shannon Sharp, as.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We just discussed last segment, that he is moving on
from FS one, I don't have intel of where he's going.
One of the codes that I live by is that
if you tell me something like that at then what
am I gonna do with it? So therefore maybe I
shouldn't even know it or get it right now.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But I don't think that a guy should be called
and getting bombarded like with thousands of texts and calls.
Oh man, Marcell's let me tell you my next move
when we are that close have that relationship. But when
I know, I'll let you guys know and protect Shannon's
interests as well. But I'm not gonna be the one
to find out so fast because I'm not so thirsty
(15:27):
to be first to the party. But i want to
have the most fun when I'm at the party. So
I don't know where he's going, but I do know
where sports media is going. I told you'll, look, here's
the thing. Whoa the culture is what's rewarded.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I will always highlight that.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That's a Ben Horowitz qu a quote, who is a
famous VC and alum of Columbia University. So basically, what
sports media has become is what they're rewarding. They're rewarding bombastic,
They're rewarding stuff that is like almost Carnival.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Barker, right, it's almost scripted. It is not.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But we are now seeing shows that has one person
who loves Lebron. Therefore we must have another person that hates.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Lebron and watch them go at it every day.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
If they're trying to emulate the barbershop, the barbershop didn't
have people placement, they didn't have product placement. They just
say I want you to hate him and I want
you to love him, no matter what the evidence shows.
Now have fun and get your haircut. That wasn't the
elements of the barbershop. It naturally came to that place.
And that's why I'm not a natural debater. I'm a discusser.
(16:40):
I want to talk through it because I'm gonna take
some from you, and I'm gonna take some from you
and then make me and I think that's the way
it should go in terms of our public discourse. But
social media has now invaded what we see in sports media.
So therefore now they're reacting to what the loud mind, now,
what the back of the class, what.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Gets clicks, what gets likes.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
So social media has now influenced sports media to a
place where I don't think we're ever gonna come back
to balance, natural balance, not this calculated extreme of you
hate him, you like him. It's getting tiring, right, It's
boring to watch somebody always prop up somebody no matter
what happens. Right now beyond trolling, because I do that
(17:26):
for the Clippers, but y'all know, damn will I talk
love about the Lakers and talk love about anybody who's balling,
but like, really, like, that's how you're going to work,
and you will not get off of that narrative or
leave that persona.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That character to me is dying, if not dead.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Now it's time to edjuicate and entertain edutainment. Educate people,
inform them, but also entertain them. But at the same
time dog keep.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It real because if not, you're looking faker than ever.
Because people are.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Online, people are on social media, people are on YouTube,
people are on Brinks TV. People are talking the real
and those people are now real. People who have podcasts
now Skip Bayless, Shannon Sharp, stephen A. Smith, Colin Coward. No,
(18:19):
I only has a podcast, owns a podcast network. I
leave myself to last, but etc.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Etc. And I'm late to the party.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I had started this conversation twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen about
doing podcasts because everybody knew from those days that I
always wanted to say more than was gonna be accepted
on the desk, and I still push the limits. But
the only reason I didn't go full bombastic, like yo,
this is the one hundred is because I had teammates
(18:47):
that couldn't keep up. I had teammates that didn't want
to smoke. I had teammates that were going to be
agendified or doing other things.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So instead of just playing a team game that I
was like, all right, I will never be able to get.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Full win and a full championship. I would never be
the MVP in that dynamic. I got to play the
sport that I could play. Right, So where is sports
media going to that place where you're starting to individualize it?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Right?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You're starting to see these individuals become entities and do
it their way, more personalities, a more unique perspective, and
not sitting there like, ah, I gotta be nice because
we disagree, but you are supposed to disagree.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You get it.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So I think the jig is up. As they say
basically to pull back the curtain. Not saying sports media
shows are going away, I'm saying that what their content
is and the structure of that content, I think that
model has died.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
It used to be an embraced debate.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Now people are just embracing education, embracing entertainment, not just
y'all falsely debating each other. So it looked like it
war on Shannon, not only the debates, but all so
the disrespect and also the fact that he wasn't fully empowered.
And it ain't nothing worse than walking around knowing that
you the man and come home or come to your
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show and get treated like a little boy. And I
know Shannon Sharp in that moment felt real small compared
to how big he really is, not only in football,
but in sports media in this world at large. So
salutor Shannon for finally betting on himself in this respect,
and salute the skip to see what he's gonna do next, because.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
It's gonna be highly interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Thanking you for your viewership on Brings TV and Reach TV.
What up, hommy, and for your membership Wiley's World on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Somebody's gonna win this one of a kind because they.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Only weigh one a MEI and only way one of
these jerseys Dallas Cowboys two thousand and four sack list,
No I had three sacks. Don't do that, MARCELS. Wiley
Jersey much love to me. Yay, all right, let's get
into the Wiley's World. You know we're gonna start the
show off with Mikey p who was ahead of digital media,
social strategy for all things Marcello's while they got I
(21:03):
sound so fresh right now, So Mikey P come on
into the show and join me with why this World
Love and Mikey P. Today we talked about social media
being horrible, the Van Gundhis were chiming in on it,
and obviously the big news is Shannon Sharp leaving Skip
Bayless and leaving FS one.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
But tell me what's on your heart? What's up with
your big dog? What's up with your baby?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
That dude, I don't want to hear Prowley.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
What do you want to say?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
So I know what I want to say, all right?
So for some reason I got to ask you this.
Jimmy Butler is not being treated as a top tier player.
People are saying that he's not a top ten player
and that they wouldn't build a team around him. So
I want to know your feelings on this. I can't
even believe this is a question anymore at this point.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So what are your thoughts? All right?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, well, he's not a top ten player. As much
as we all adore him, I think he's beloved as
a top ten player because he plays the right way,
plays with his heart first, his mindsecond and his body third.
And I think a lot of times when you talk
about the top ten list, we look at production results
and then we also look at your skill set and capabilities.
(22:19):
There are some limits to Jimmy Butler's game and his
skill set. Let's be real, not a top ten athlete.
We know that he's not top ten in terms of production.
But when the moment calls for someone to step up
be a leader, oh he might be the one. And
that's what everyone is respecting. So there's a conversation in
sports that goes best player and greatest player. It's almost
(22:43):
a Tom Brady conversation. Like Tom Brady is not the
best quarterback ever. Everyone knows that, including Tom Brady. But
is he the greatest quarterback ever? Yeah, because he got
more out of his body, using his heart and his
brain than any other player and got the results.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So Jimmy Butler is in that discussion.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Not the top ten as best, but in terms of
greatness and what he can do to others and get
everyone else involved in effect in the game.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yes, I would say Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Butler has top ten impact, but not top ten player
in the game.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Appreciate you, Mike get Pete.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We gonna come back after because we got some other people,
other wily world members that I see over there.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
All right, so.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Let's get in my man. Who is this in the
black coodie? I want you to introduce yourself to the world,
big dog.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I know who you are, but I want the world
to know who you are. It's my dog right there.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Jennis north Cut, former NFL wide receiver Dino in the building.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
What's up, big dog? What a big dog? What's happening
with you? Ma'am? I'm half I'm gonna have to scream, man.
I'm not on all the scream.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Man, because Joe ass a small Since you retire, you
half as as big as you were.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
We need to see all of you. Man, what it dude?
I know you know sports now.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
This is a dude that when I wanted to get
my argument stronger, I would go and talk to Dino
and they're like, man, this is how it went. And
Dino's the hardest working dude. We used to work out
when I played I'm Coming down the Hill. He's still
at the top of his heel. He wearing me out
every single day on the workouts and also in the
conversation So what's on your test right now, big dog?
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Is it the Shannon breakup? Is it social media? Or
the NBA Finals?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Talk to me, man, it's some of everything. Man. You know,
I sit back and I watch it all.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Man. I'm not, you know, involved in all this right now,
but I sit back and watch it all man. Shannon Shark,
who did not see that coming? Everybody's seen that coming.
I mean, look a lot of people. I mean, why, well,
well we've seen it from the giggo. It's a cultural difference.
It's a cultural difference that wouldn't go work. You know,
it's a big cultural difference. They had different views, different
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ways they wanted to do things, and so I felt
like it was a good show because you had different
views and a lot of times that's what we like
is different views. But the individuals they self couldn't handle
each other.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
People loved it and it works with TV, but the
individuals they self couldn't handle each other. They didn't like
each other. So what happens when you don't like each other?
One of us gotta go. Shannon Sharp is out of
the yes's out.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It does feel like they were good teammates but not
good friends, and so they put on a good show
and good production, and everyone used to always ask me, like,
how are they I was like, dog, the real is
I hear? They don't even mess with each other outside
the building right now. I never went to either one
of them individually to ask that, because.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Frankly, I just liked the product. I was like, Yo,
it comes out right. I don't care how this hot
dog and the sausage was made. Right.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
But now you've been a part of teams and you
know that dynamic to have a teammate that you really
don't like but you still got a ball with you
think they could have continued this or why did all
of a sudden Shannon Sharp in the middle of a
contract say enough is enough? Basically, Vonta Davis at halftime
of a contract, I'm done playing ball with your skip Bayless, Well,
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what happened?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
We always know how this goal is Eagles egles involved
and whenever you have money, when persons start making a
lot of money, he started changing.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
The way how he feel about things. John Moran, how
you start acting?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
How you change if you don't have a lot of
money and you desperate, you like I work with anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I don't care if you hate or if I hate
him or not. But when you start making a lot
of money, you secure. You sit back like I don't
know how to work with you.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Somebody else will pay me this money because I already
improve myself.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And my value. I don't like you, but what we
do we.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Sit on the outside, like you just said and said, man,
I like it though, but we don't see what's really
going on. So when you have egos involved, people start changing,
mindsets start changing. You get to dictate what you do
with your life and how you want it to be done.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And that's all we see here.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So Shannon Sharpen, Yeah, it was a flex like it's funny.
It's just like when we play ball. When you were
a rookie. You just left college and you were the man,
and they want to training care As a rookie, you
can do whatever you got to carry the homies helmets,
you out there saying, okay, you won't donuts and chicken
what you want to do? By year four, when you
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up for your contract and you're about to get mega paid,
you looking at them other vets and everybody else like,
y'all better kiss these rings, y'all better recognize y'all better
bow down to this greatness. And I think that Shannon
walked in there so thankful for the opportunity from Skip
and just was tiptoeing for a while, then.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Started to flex and then started to feel himself.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It's like, yo, Skip, when you're gonna respect that I
am where you are.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
If not surpassing you. And Skip never buzzed, never would
kiss those rings.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
What else is on your chest? Man, big dog? I'm
looking at the finals.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I heard y'all just talking about Jimmy Butler. Man, I
like Jimmy Butler. I think it's the same as I
think like a lot of receivers or a lot of
good players in any sport, they feel like they are
superstars too, or they can make a lot of great players,
but you're not the greatest. You know to do it,
And a lot of them have to do with athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
What have you done? Resume?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
You know you want to you want to shust the miles.
You want to prove yourself. Go out and win this
championship and watch and see what happened. Go win this
championship with that team and watch and see how they
talk about you. It's earned, not given. So you want
to shut up at it, they say, go earn it,
keep talking.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I love that because you know, all rings aren't created equal.
I mean, I think they are, but I've learned from
the sports public at large, the perception is all rings
aren't created equal. That that Detroit Pistons ring when they
had Chauncey Billups out there, they look at that a
whole lot different than Lebron and Dwayne Wade and Chris
Bosh over there trying to get their ring. The Dallas
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Mavericks ring when they got theirs, people looking at that
a lot different. So I look at this situation where
Jimmy Butler, man, the greatest thing about him is that
he will always be greater than any excuse you give him.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Not enough talent around him, Oh, he.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Has his own limits in his skill set. And you
are that type of player as well, where no matter
what you were given and you were Hella fast but
you were small, you never use that as the excuse
for the reason you couldn't be out there and ball out.
And that's what I love about Jimmy Butler. And it's
contagious because when you see other guys like a Tyler
hero even though he's hurt or you see the other
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guys on the court who have tremendous talent, and he like, dog,
if I'm doing all this and I'm Jimmy Butler, y'all
better get y'all game up and recognize that this is
what is expected and that's how you really build culture.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Hey, Marcella's tell these people what I'm really doing over here.
So I'm over here, rehaving a quad that I put
for me and Marcella's racing last week.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yes, yes, I'm gonna let Dino go on that when
we race.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Everywhere we go, we've been racing for twenty plus years. Nightclubs,
after the bar, I mean, places we shouldn't have been
that I ain't gonna bring up right now out the country.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Trending Dad Brazil.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
No matter where we go, we race, and he always
gives me a head start, like if we running the forty,
he'll give me twenty. But the goal is to catch
me before I get to the finish line. And the
funniest thing is a week or so ago, we were
at so Far Stadium and we just saw the turf
and then that football player and us the start waking
up again, and then we race one more time now.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
He smoked me, but he also smoked his squad because
he can't walk right now. And I was like, no,
you didn't need all that gas to beat me in
that race. Man.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
So that's my dog, Dennis North cut Man. Much love,
and you gotta keep coming back on the show.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's all I need from you. Deal.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I'm back, man, whenever you need me, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All right, My dog, my dog, and man that dude Dino.
Y'all don't understand how cool we are. And I got
one more man. We got another Wally's World member in here.
Name Quasi's we got. I'm doing great. I see the
artwork in the back. You're getting better.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Practice makes perfect baby. Oh I love it? Man. What's
on your chest? Brother? What do you want to? I
just want to.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I want to call in and say what's uping?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Man? Much love to you.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Love what you're doing over here on the product. You
know we need this platform. We need your voice.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Rateful. Let you out here doing your thing.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Never never surrender, never retreat. Love what you do, bro, Oh,
I love it. Never shut up dannit. That's right, Quasi
and Quasi can golf.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
He's bigger, his brain is bigger than me, and two
seventy five he's gigantic with the cell membranes up top.
But I know you broke down some sports, and I
just scared to ask, what do you want to talk
about because I might not be able to keep up
what you got.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, I know.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
You're an international expert, so I want to dive into
some some real money. What overseas we all know the
biggest for on the planet is is soccer or football
as the rest of the planet talks about it. And
a big star recently just had a very very i'll
say dramatic ending to his season, Ronaldo. He took he
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took the bag when to go play in Saudi with
the Saudi money, which we all talked about a lot,
and he didn't have the end of the season that
he was looking for. Now, when players end up going
to take the bag and they are perceived as doing
things for reasons why average fans might not like what
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they're doing, they get heavily criticized. But when we in
the private sector, as regular employees just go take the bag,
the criticism is different. Now I'm wondering what your taking
is on this because he had this unfortunate end to
his season. He took the bag, and now all this
criticism is around. You know, is he as good as
he used to be? And has he washed up?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
That?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Two fifty meals a lot of money though it's a
lot of it's a lot of loop.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Ooh man, I knew this question was gonna be next
level because Quasi was asking it.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yes, what a question right here?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I think the first thing we all have to admit,
even Ronaldo, is your better days are behind you, Like
it's Ronaldo, was he thirty seven, thirty eight? So let's
just have the smart starting point. The best of Ronaldo
is behind him.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Now from that starting point, you start to see the
decline and everyone wants to label the decline, especially when
you get the bag from Saudi Arabia. They're like, was
that coincidental or was there causation? Like basically, did you
get the money and tap out on us? And did
just basically say I'm over there and play at any
level who cares? Because I'm not playing against the Premier
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league guys, I'm not playing against the Krem de la Krem.
And then I could just mail it in and get paid,
all right. I don't have that answer. No one has
that answer. Here's the answer we do have, though, that
when you get the bag as it's supposed to do,
it pays and buys away a lot of your problems,
which includes criticism, which includes a place where you already
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have some issues. And he had his issues the last
couple of years especially, and he's just like daw, I
don't care about your issues. I am not disgruntled because
I have something to look forward to. Where you're looking
at it like you're gonna be missing something. The fanfare,
the box office. I am Ronaldo, no goal scored, and
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I still sell out this stadium.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
In the middle of the night in my sleep.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
So now they're looking at it like wow, a deficit
or loss, where he's looking at it like I'm still
commanding top dollar just because of all that I've contributed
to the sport. No one was mad at Kobe Bryant
Rest in peace when he got his big deal at
the end that he didn't necessarily deserve because he wasn't
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gonna be able to pay it forward and not gonna
be able to pay this forward as well.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
But does he deserve it?
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Hell yeah, because They don't give it to anybody unless
you've already earned it. So I think it's a smart
play from both sides, Saudi Arabia and Ronaldo.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
What you feel, Yeah, I think that there's a lot
of criticism that comes in in a lot of different
ways about the color of the money and who decides
where the money came from and what's good money was
bad money. I think that the situation with Ronaldo, however,
particularly he has as a world class athlete, is in
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a very difficult situation because he's an elite air that
nobody really understands until your you know, at that level.
He knows where he is as far as his talent
level goes. He knows what we can see performing and
whether or not his body's gonna allow and perform at
that level in the next couple of years to get
that bag, whether it's meritorious what he got or not.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Only Tom Yeah, that's real. Yeah, man, I appreciate your quality.
Coming on. You know, you gotta come on again, Courtney.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Tell me if all of them could be on the
screen at once, or am I just gonna blow up
the system right now because I want to bring them
all on. Yeah, let's see that. But you know what's
funny quasi a. Let me say it this way. Athletes
are the first to recognize their decline and the last
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to admit it. Like dog, ain't no way you ever
just been out there and did something you've been doing
since you were seven years old and didn't understand that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh God, I ain't got it now. But I ain't
about to tell nobody. I ain't about to accept it.
I ain't gonna internalize it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
And that's why I think we are, and that's why
so many athletes now are thinking about the transition to
the private sector the real world sooner than ever.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Because you don't want to get caught off guard with that.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
The money's so big, not only in sports but also
in the real world experience that you can make a
seamless transition now by building your game up, your brand up,
and then even at the.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
End you get a Ronaldo Kobe deal, and then.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
The real world will pay you Tom Brady money to
just come talk about the game you just played. So
putting it all together, I think it's the boat and
ribbon effect. My last thing is I just want to
play a little quick game. I'm making this up on
the fly. It's gonna be hilarious. I want to know
who's better. Okay, and both of you guys stay u muted.
(37:31):
I'm gonna start with you, Dino, who is better at
their gig? Skip Bayless or Shannon Shark?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Shannon Shark, I'm gonna say Sar because he's the new face.
He's the new face, so people love the new face.
He knew he came on, he sparked it.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Now.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Skip Bayless is something he's been doing, this is his career.
He gonna say this. I'm the Michael Jordan of this.
I'm the Magic Johnson is. I've been doing this forever.
But I would say Shannon Shark because he's new. He's
the new He's the new face of the league. So
why not.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
I think if you want to Skip, you don't have
to like his product. But the man is professional. He
knows his craft. He knows how to deliver the research
of preparation tactically. Skip is a way better professional whoa.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Let me see, this is a tough one. Man.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I think that Skip for me is the foundation you
can build so many things on great shows.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Other great co hosts Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Smith comes to mind, right, Shannon sharp obviously, and anybody
who's worked with Skip, including myself, you just glow when
you're with Skip Baylor's because you know he's gonna be
reliable and responsible, professional, as you said, and he's gonna
amplify whatever you want. The one thing about Skip Baylor's
people don't understand is that before he gets on the
show with you, he wants to know where you're going,
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and he's he wants to give you that a he
wants to throw the alley oops to you. He's the
nicest dude in the world. But when the camera's on, oh,
I'm going for the neck and that's what people see.
But that's not the full dynamic.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Now. My other one is this.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We talked about social media earlier in this show. Social media.
All in all, you got to pick a side, good
or bad. Start with two quasi.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Oh wow, it's a Pandora's box. I think a lot
of these things are what you make of it.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
There's a lot of political conversation we can have about
a bunch of different things, taking different directions. I think
on the whole of the product, by itself as it's intended,
it's not a negative thing. You have bad people doing
bad things with good products.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
M do you know tough?
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Well said, well, I like to believe that you have
to adapt to anything that's new, anything that our world,
you have to adapt to it. So you went like
he just said, you have good and bad with anything.
So I'm with the social media. I'm withitty, you just
gotta adapt to it.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
It haven't hurt me. Maybe I'm not in a livelight
like that no more.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
But at the same time, I would have adapted to it,
knowing my surroundings and what's going on with social media.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So I'm with it. It is what it is, all right.
I am with whoever said what Quasi said?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Now the stop Quasi man like, like, look, all in all,
it's a good thing. Man like Dag you imagined how
we grew up, versus like I wanted to just say
something to the homie around the corner. I literally had
to leave my house and get over there and then
hope and pray he was home.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like it's a whole different animal.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Now I'm just sitting there in the crib, chilling, just
eating cheetos one.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Hand the other hand back back. He like, yep, let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And I'm like what and imagine that's just around the corner.
It could be the homebe in India, Like, yall, I'm
coming through next week.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You there, yep, I'm like, what the hell is this now?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
All the knuckleheads and all the polarizing conversation, that's just
us leap in the neighborhood, knowing have to navigate around
the bullies, the gangsters, the drug dealers, the crazy heads.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You know, like that's everywhere in this world. Negativity.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
But all in all, I'm a huge fan of social media,
and I'm a huge fan of Wally's world. Dennis north Cut,
my dog Dino, Dino Dino and Quasi. Appreciate you guys. Man,
I'm gonna let you go. So Mikey P could have
the last word. He could come in here with his
pom pomps and.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Break this thing. Go down with your boy. Look at
these graphics and stuff. Look at that. Why are we
over here?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
So appreciate y'all, and Mikey P, let me see your
beautiful face one more time. Oh man in some nation, brother,
I want to hear real fast. You got a minute,
let's hear it, skip or Shannon, social media good are bad?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Go Mikey Pee ah.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Man, all right, give me, give me skip for the
reasons you said. I actually really was vibing with that.
He's a pros pro so, but I do like Shannon
a lot. I really do social media. It's it's you know,
you live and die with it. I guess really, it's
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it is what it is. It's the times you gotta adjust.
You gotta make the best of it and minimize the
negativity of it. So that's my TAKEWS.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Love big Dog, Yep, gotta make the most of it.
We're gonna make the most of this show.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Appreciate you, Mikey P and I appreciate all you Wiley
World members out there.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Dog.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Just the beginning, we're gonna be chopping up wood over here.
This is gonna be my favorite part of the show.
Like I'm gonna get through the first topics, y'all be like, oh,
I love it, Wiley, How you broke that down. I'm like,
but I love y'all more for the way that we
can break it down together.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So we're gonna just reinvent social media.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
This is social media actually, you know, YouTube and brings
TV reached TV in loose form, So now let's just
build it the way we want to right at our house.
This is the music we listen to, this is the
drink we drank, and this is how we party. So
appreciate y'all and let's end the show as we always
in the show with a wi league ism. Oh I
(43:15):
love having a voice without coaching these kids. Here's the
wild ism today. First they ignore you, then they laugh
at you, then they fight you, then you win. Who
Gandhi said that told y'all was texting eating some cheetos India,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Oh, let me give you a Gandhi quote up out
of here.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Man, First they ignore you growing up, Man, everything I
wanted to accomplish fell on deaf ears, and that included
balling out of control, trying to make it to the league,
and that included trying to be an academic Yes, Academic Decathlon,
Academic Spelling Bee, California Scholastic Federation National Honor student. When
(43:55):
I was saying that to my folks and tell them
I wanted to do it, man, whatever, pass me some
more cheetos. Right then they laughed at you, like, oh,
you're really trying to be that huh? You out in
front yard just doing this high knee drills by yourself,
you eight years old, people laughing, your homies riding on
the bike, he riding like Debo, looking at you, man,
what the hell you doing, doll? You ain't going nowhere
(44:16):
doing high knee drills, right, And then they fight you.
They get mad not at you, they're mad at what
they should have done. They're mad at what they should
have become. They're mad that somebody's actually driven to chase
their dreams and they know deep inside they didn't. So
now they got problems. Oh oh, that's how you're gonna act.
Oh oh oh, we're supposed to be the homie. You
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can't never do anything but that work out and study,
and then you win if you fight through all those steps.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Gandhi said it a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
You'll sit there at your draft party, and you sit
there at your business promotion party and just looking around
at all those people that laughed at you, ignored you,
and fought you. And those are your friends, right, imagine enemies, man,
So always remember, first they ignore you, then they laugh
at you, then they fight you.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Then you get that dub. You get that win, all right, y'all,
got'll do it for more to it.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
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Let's talk. Find me on all socials at Marcel's. Wiley
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we start off every show because it's gonna be amazing.
What's up with that, dude? Well one, I am milking
my pink eye officially now right like my eyes right now.
I was horrible in art class, so I don't know
red and white makes pink. I do remember that I
ain't get an F But what's.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Lighter than pink? Light? Pink? Like? I don't even have
pink eye anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I got like light pink eye, but it's still contagious.
So because it's contagious, I am tapping out of a
lot of things. Some things I really wanted to do
and some things I didn't. Some things I wanted to
do was go to Boston tonight and speak on the
Harvard Business School panel. I was invited to be there
with a bunch of other executives, but the pink guy
(01:47):
took over, so I can't go there and be the contagion.
I also can't go to my friend Ray's real estate
development party tonight. He builds these mega mansions I'm talking about,
like thirty million minimum mansions, like forty to fifty million
dollar manses, and before the person who buys it moves in,
he throws a big ass party for everybody and we
(02:09):
just tailed their house and act like we're richer than
we are. So I can't go to that even though
I'm still on the edge of that one.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I don't know. I might either wear the glasses to
that one. What else is up with me? Man?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I got a phone call yesterday from Ryan Nice. Y'all
know who Ryan Niece is. He played football in the NFL,
played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Played for a while too. He was a linebacker. Cool cat.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Now he's a vcs an investor, does a ton of
work in the community. But you know what, a lot
of people know him as Ronnie Lott's son as well. Yeah,
he's a beast, right. So I was talking to him
yesterday and I got invited to a fireside chat where
sports and tech knowlogy inter sex. So we're gonna have
(02:54):
a fun Bridge summit fireside chat as soon as the
pink eye heels right. And other than that, I had
that conversation with my boy that got divorced, and it
went exactly as planned, except my daughters were listening and
ear hustling because.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
They ain't want to go to bed.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So I got an AirPod in listen to my boy
talk about his divorces and all his issues, and I
got two divorced dudes on the call and then me
trying to hold my mirriats together.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Damnit. And I'm over here acting like I'm the role model.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Really, I'm the role model of marriage. So it was
just fun to talk through that man. But the best
part about it all is the brotherhood, the community that
you have with your friends. And your friends are supposed
to be your mirror, right, they reflect what you are,
and they tell the truth, and they tell the painful
truth right, nothing else, no lies. I am not the
homie to call if you need to get pumped up.
(03:43):
I ain't pumping you up. I'm telling you exactly who
you are, and that's good enough, and that good enough.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
People got to understand who they are, where none of
us are perfect.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So just accept who you are and work on the
things you're not as good at and then highlight the
things you are as good at. I am not here
to tell you you cuter than you are. You an eight,
You an eight, and I'm gonna tell you eight is great,
and that's enough. And that's why I have so many friends,
because they call everybody else over there to get them
fake ass pump ups and then they come right back
(04:11):
to me and be like, dog.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Tell me the real and I'll be like, now we talking.
So that was fun all that.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Now let's talk to some real from Jeff Van Gundy,
because he says social media has a truly negative impact
on play us.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Whoa with the hard er not a all right?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So ESPN, ABC, NBA, God dang. The analyst we know
is Jeff Van Gundy. Recently made an appearance on the Sports
Media where Richard Dick you know, his podcast, and it
was asked about Victor one by Yama, how you say
his name yep one bye by Narra, and whether he's
had the chance to see the likely number one overall
pick in the draft play before. He has experienced coaching
(04:48):
big men who had high expectations.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Remember he coached Patrick Ewan, Remember he coached yah men,
ya men. You know what I'm talking about. He toasted
both of them. So he brought up a concern of
his and I like this.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
He said that somebody on one of these shows, and
it was actually Chris Bossard on FS one's First Things First,
who claimed that if one but Yama becomes Kevin Durant
or someone of that ILK, it'll be a disappointment. Oh
come on, give me context. Please say that Chris Bassard
didn't just say that and that's it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Come on. I was supposed to go to that show too.
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
When I was leaving Fox, I was like, here you go.
You know what I'm saying, here's a concession. Go over
there with FS one and do the first things first,
which I love. That's actually my favorite show on the network.
But I was like, nah, be that New York Lifestyle
sound a little too straight hand, not enough Wiley, So
I couldn't do it. But damn they out there saying
stuff like this, like you could fall down and be
Kevin Durant and that's not good enough.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
WHOA, All right, here's a quote.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I just hope we all just give him the necessary
time to acclimate to the NBA and we.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Don't over evaluate each and every game. Oh you know,
we are.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Van Gundy, but all of these young people take so
much of their cues on how they're doing through social media.
I just hope we're just a little bit kinder to
him than we are to some people on social media.
You know we're not, But I digress, all right, So
then Dykes chimed in and said it was horrible and
social media would be horrible to win by Yama.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
All right, but he.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
May have an advantage because he's from France and not
being into the social media culture that has wrapped his
arms around.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
The US of A.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I don't know about that. I've left these borders before.
Social media is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I'm out in Mexico trying to order me something to
drink and give me a peanut colada and the dude
looking at.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Him like on his phone. I'm like, DG, can you
just give me a pena klada? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got you on me. But the point is social
media's taking over all these kids, no matter where they're living.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So here's a couple more quotes that I like, I
think does.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Social media does have a truly negative impact on players
and how they feel about themselves. I could walk into
my office every day and see the back pages hung up.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It was humbling. You have to try to make light
of it.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Basically, what's going on right now his social media man
is being internalized. Jeff Van Gundy, stand Ban Gundy, they
all have talked about the fact that they have seen
guys literally who get devastated by what they read online. Right,
and you see that someone's broadcasting and then they check
their Twitter between commercial breaks and come back deflate it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm gonna leave the guys name out of it, but
I saw multiple times with one guy in particular, I
was like, dawg, you letting people you don't even know
just get online and make you feel low, make you
feel bad.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Don't ever give somebody your remote control.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
The two rules of social media are don't respond to
negative comments and never clarify your comments.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You said it, you meant it. That's enough.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
What social media is to me is a beautiful way
to transmit a message across the whole world. But it's
also a microphone and megaphone to the back of the class.
And typically the back of the class is where the
dummies are, right, So it's the loud minority beating up
the haha, we already know beating up the solent majority.
So solid majority, stop being so damn si and start talking.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
The strength is in the numbers. Oh man.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Thank you for your viewership on Brings TV and Reese TV,
and also for your membership while this world on YouTube.
Somebody's gonna win this jersey right here. Oh, this is
that Wiley, This is.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
That one year that one hit a quitter, that one
and done with the cowboys.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That's why it looks so crispy, it is so clean.
I ain't put much work in this jersey, but much
love for my time in Dallas. It was an amazing place.
And boy does America love its cowboys. Well, America loves
Shannon Sharp, they love Skip Bayless, they love them together.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
But America, sorry to break your heart, but Shannon Sharp
is leaving FS one's undisputed urn turn Dirt. Durnt told y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Shannon Shark's partnership, let me do my job first with
Skip Bayless will be coming to it and soon. Sharp
and Fox Sports, the parent company of FS one, which
airs on dispute, have reached a buyout agreement.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Buyout agreement. You know what that means.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You're still got time and money on your contract, so
for you to sever the relationship, for you to interrupt
the terms of that, we come to an agreement and
I will give you some of that money and you're
gonna give me some of that time back, right And
that's where they are.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's a buy all.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right, So Shark's final show is expected to be aired
after the NBA Finals concluding June. Now, I am interested
in seeing how these ratings gonna look from now to
the end of June, because you know, when you're going somewhere,
but you're not gone.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Your mind is already.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
In the parking lot or on the private plane to
your next destination, but the body.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Is still here.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And one thing about the human experience, you can't lie
to yourself. That's why detectives always solve the crime, right,
That's why thieves and robbers and criminals always telling themselves.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Because you're lying. And boy, it's gonna be funny to
watch a month of two dudes lying about that they
still cool because you know they ain't. That's gonna be interesting.
I might have to tune in. All right.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So Sharp's popular Club Shay Shape podcast, which draws that big, old,
gigantic audience on social media on YouTube, will also be
leaving Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
A source said, let's stop here.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Remember I told you guys that Club SHAPSHD at one
time did not well, Shannon Sharp didn't own.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Club Shase Shake.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
That's a Fox Sports thing, right now, you get a
rep share deal, and they'll give you some percentages of it,
but in totality it was owned by them. You're doing
the work for them, and they'll just chip you off
as it grows. Well, you remember in his last deal
or I told you maybe a month or two two
ago that Shannon went upstairs and said, look, I got
(10:42):
to get a higher percentage of this because one, this
is the biggest podcast we have. True, So they gave
him a piece of that, and I knew that that
would be a galvanizing moment for Shannon Sharp in terms
of his empowerment. Here's the real of what's going on
over there and why we even got here. Skip Bayless
runs that show, and he's always run that show, and
(11:06):
by the stripes on his sleeve, he should run that show.
Skip Bayless was the first one in that door, him
and Colin Coward both leaving ESPN to come start FS one, right,
So you got to give him respect for that in
terms of the daily shows. With that risk comes a
great reward, including the power that Skip Bayless has. Not
(11:26):
only does Skip Bayless make the most money over there,
but he has the most power in terms of how
he runs his show. Colin runs his show but also
Colin will be a little more open minded into the
terms of his show a little more, but not Skip.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Oh no, no, no, So here's the problem. That's not
the problem.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Skip is here, Shannon started here, use the relationship with
Skip Bayless to get there, right, and then Shannon started
to get.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Way more popular.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
How about this more popular than Skip Bayless? Some would
say based on the podcast numbers, the new generation numbers
social media numbers, like Shannon is popping even more than
you Skip. So when you're doing this in your real
world and you're outer show world, but inside the borders
and structure of the show you're on that's given you
(12:16):
all this jet fuel, nothing's changing. Even when you surpass
Skip Bayless, you still have to be under him in
terms of the terms of this show. Other than the
disrespect and I shouldn't even say other than in addition
to the disrespect that we've seen multiple times from Skip
Bayless told the dude to put his damn.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Glasses on, and he put him on.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Shannon Is multiple times had to ask Skip can he
talk like they're not talking like friends.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
They're not even talking like friends that are beefing.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
They're talking like strangers, like in a way, and Skip
new he can always talk to Shannon, the Hall of Famer,
the three times super Bowl champion, because he knew he
controlled the show. But more than that, Kip also felt
that he could control the show and control Shannon's job security.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
That's why this.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Has now come to a head, because Shannon finally just
smelled the roses, finally just took a big inhale and
was like, dog, why do I have to deal with
all of this? We have the incidents obviously, we know
when we went back to the hamdling tweets. We know
we got the incidents with Tom Brady. We can go
through that. But watch my old video four months ago
if you want to know about all that. What I'm
(13:28):
telling you right now, and I am not a prognosticator
like an expert, I can't just predict this stuff. But
I can look at simple, tried truths. I can look
at human emotions and relationships and simply just come to
a summation. This wasn't hard to figure out if you
had the proper information. Because I used to work there,
(13:51):
I was privy to that information that most of you
guys weren't. So putting this all together, what happened was
it was a power struggle. There was a power dynamic
that shifted right before their very eyes and they didn't
want to adjust to And I say zay, because I'm
sure that Shannon wanted to adjust. It is just Skip
(14:13):
was stuck in his ways. So now Skip is gonna
be stuck without the uber popular co host named Shannon Sharp.
Love you guys out there, man, and thanks for your
viewership on Brings TV and Reach TV.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Thanks for your membership. While these word.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
On YouTube where somebody's gonna win this limited edition? Not
Hall of Fame, Hall of suck. I hall of sucked
when I hellisucked when I was in Dallas for that
one year.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
But let's talk about a real Hall of Famer. And
Shannon Sharp, as.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We just discussed last segment, that he is moving on
from FS one, I don't have intel of where he's going.
One of the codes that I live by is that
if you tell me something like that at then what
am I gonna do with it? So therefore maybe I
shouldn't even know it or get it right now.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But I don't think that a guy should be called
and getting bombarded like with thousands of texts and calls.
Oh man, Marcell's let me tell you my next move
when we are that close have that relationship. But when
I know, I'll let you guys know and protect Shannon's
interests as well. But I'm not gonna be the one
to find out so fast because I'm not so thirsty
(15:27):
to be first to the party. But i want to
have the most fun when I'm at the party. So
I don't know where he's going, but I do know
where sports media is going. I told you'll, look, here's
the thing. Whoa the culture is what's rewarded.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I will always highlight that.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
That's a Ben Horowitz qu a quote, who is a
famous VC and alum of Columbia University. So basically, what
sports media has become is what they're rewarding. They're rewarding bombastic,
They're rewarding stuff that is like almost Carnival.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Barker, right, it's almost scripted. It is not.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But we are now seeing shows that has one person
who loves Lebron. Therefore we must have another person that hates.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Lebron and watch them go at it every day.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
If they're trying to emulate the barbershop, the barbershop didn't
have people placement, they didn't have product placement. They just
say I want you to hate him and I want
you to love him, no matter what the evidence shows.
Now have fun and get your haircut. That wasn't the
elements of the barbershop. It naturally came to that place.
And that's why I'm not a natural debater. I'm a discusser.
(16:40):
I want to talk through it because I'm gonna take
some from you, and I'm gonna take some from you
and then make me and I think that's the way
it should go in terms of our public discourse. But
social media has now invaded what we see in sports media.
So therefore now they're reacting to what the loud mind, now,
what the back of the class, what.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Gets clicks, what gets likes.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
So social media has now influenced sports media to a
place where I don't think we're ever gonna come back
to balance, natural balance, not this calculated extreme of you
hate him, you like him. It's getting tiring, right, It's
boring to watch somebody always prop up somebody no matter
what happens. Right now beyond trolling, because I do that
(17:26):
for the Clippers, but y'all know, damn will I talk
love about the Lakers and talk love about anybody who's balling,
but like, really, like, that's how you're going to work,
and you will not get off of that narrative or
leave that persona.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That character to me is dying, if not dead.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Now it's time to edjuicate and entertain edutainment. Educate people,
inform them, but also entertain them. But at the same
time dog keep.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It real because if not, you're looking faker than ever.
Because people are.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Online, people are on social media, people are on YouTube,
people are on Brinks TV. People are talking the real
and those people are now real. People who have podcasts
now Skip Bayless, Shannon Sharp, stephen A. Smith, Colin Coward. No,
(18:19):
I only has a podcast, owns a podcast network. I
leave myself to last, but etc.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Etc. And I'm late to the party.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I had started this conversation twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen about
doing podcasts because everybody knew from those days that I
always wanted to say more than was gonna be accepted
on the desk, and I still push the limits. But
the only reason I didn't go full bombastic, like yo,
this is the one hundred is because I had teammates
(18:47):
that couldn't keep up. I had teammates that didn't want
to smoke. I had teammates that were going to be
agendified or doing other things.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So instead of just playing a team game that I
was like, all right, I will never be able to get.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Full win and a full championship. I would never be
the MVP in that dynamic. I got to play the
sport that I could play. Right, So where is sports
media going to that place where you're starting to individualize it?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Right?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You're starting to see these individuals become entities and do
it their way, more personalities, a more unique perspective, and
not sitting there like, ah, I gotta be nice because
we disagree, but you are supposed to disagree.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You get it.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So I think the jig is up. As they say
basically to pull back the curtain. Not saying sports media
shows are going away, I'm saying that what their content
is and the structure of that content, I think that
model has died.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
It used to be an embraced debate.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Now people are just embracing education, embracing entertainment, not just
y'all falsely debating each other. So it looked like it
war on Shannon, not only the debates, but all so
the disrespect and also the fact that he wasn't fully empowered.
And it ain't nothing worse than walking around knowing that
you the man and come home or come to your
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show and get treated like a little boy. And I
know Shannon Sharp in that moment felt real small compared
to how big he really is, not only in football,
but in sports media in this world at large. So
salutor Shannon for finally betting on himself in this respect,
and salute the skip to see what he's gonna do next, because.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
It's gonna be highly interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Thanking you for your viewership on Brings TV and Reach TV.
What up, hommy, and for your membership Wiley's World on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Somebody's gonna win this one of a kind because they.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Only weigh one a MEI and only way one of
these jerseys Dallas Cowboys two thousand and four sack list,
No I had three sacks. Don't do that, MARCELS. Wiley
Jersey much love to me. Yay, all right, let's get
into the Wiley's World. You know we're gonna start the
show off with Mikey p who was ahead of digital media,
social strategy for all things Marcello's while they got I
(21:03):
sound so fresh right now, So Mikey P come on
into the show and join me with why this World
Love and Mikey P. Today we talked about social media
being horrible, the Van Gundhis were chiming in on it,
and obviously the big news is Shannon Sharp leaving Skip
Bayless and leaving FS one.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
But tell me what's on your heart? What's up with
your big dog? What's up with your baby?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
That dude, I don't want to hear Prowley.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
What do you want to say?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
So I know what I want to say, all right?
So for some reason I got to ask you this.
Jimmy Butler is not being treated as a top tier player.
People are saying that he's not a top ten player
and that they wouldn't build a team around him. So
I want to know your feelings on this. I can't
even believe this is a question anymore at this point.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So what are your thoughts? All right?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, well, he's not a top ten player. As much
as we all adore him, I think he's beloved as
a top ten player because he plays the right way,
plays with his heart first, his mindsecond and his body third.
And I think a lot of times when you talk
about the top ten list, we look at production results
and then we also look at your skill set and capabilities.
(22:19):
There are some limits to Jimmy Butler's game and his
skill set. Let's be real, not a top ten athlete.
We know that he's not top ten in terms of production.
But when the moment calls for someone to step up
be a leader, oh he might be the one. And
that's what everyone is respecting. So there's a conversation in
sports that goes best player and greatest player. It's almost
(22:43):
a Tom Brady conversation. Like Tom Brady is not the
best quarterback ever. Everyone knows that, including Tom Brady. But
is he the greatest quarterback ever? Yeah, because he got
more out of his body, using his heart and his
brain than any other player and got the results.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So Jimmy Butler is in that discussion.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Not the top ten as best, but in terms of
greatness and what he can do to others and get
everyone else involved in effect in the game.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yes, I would say Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Butler has top ten impact, but not top ten player
in the game.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Appreciate you, Mike get Pete.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We gonna come back after because we got some other people,
other wily world members that I see over there.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
All right, so.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Let's get in my man. Who is this in the
black coodie? I want you to introduce yourself to the world,
big dog.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I know who you are, but I want the world
to know who you are. It's my dog right there.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Jennis north Cut, former NFL wide receiver Dino in the building.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
What's up, big dog? What a big dog? What's happening
with you? Ma'am? I'm half I'm gonna have to scream, man.
I'm not on all the scream.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Man, because Joe ass a small Since you retire, you
half as as big as you were.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
We need to see all of you. Man, what it dude?
I know you know sports now.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
This is a dude that when I wanted to get
my argument stronger, I would go and talk to Dino
and they're like, man, this is how it went. And
Dino's the hardest working dude. We used to work out
when I played I'm Coming down the Hill. He's still
at the top of his heel. He wearing me out
every single day on the workouts and also in the
conversation So what's on your test right now, big dog?
(24:26):
Is it the Shannon breakup? Is it social media? Or
the NBA Finals?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Talk to me, man, it's some of everything. Man. You know,
I sit back and I watch it all.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Man. I'm not, you know, involved in all this right now,
but I sit back and watch it all man. Shannon Shark,
who did not see that coming? Everybody's seen that coming.
I mean, look a lot of people. I mean, why, well,
well we've seen it from the giggo. It's a cultural difference.
It's a cultural difference that wouldn't go work. You know,
it's a big cultural difference. They had different views, different
(24:58):
ways they wanted to do things, and so I felt
like it was a good show because you had different
views and a lot of times that's what we like
is different views. But the individuals they self couldn't handle
each other.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
People loved it and it works with TV, but the
individuals they self couldn't handle each other. They didn't like
each other. So what happens when you don't like each other?
One of us gotta go. Shannon Sharp is out of
the yes's out.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It does feel like they were good teammates but not
good friends, and so they put on a good show
and good production, and everyone used to always ask me, like,
how are they I was like, dog, the real is
I hear? They don't even mess with each other outside
the building right now. I never went to either one
of them individually to ask that, because.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Frankly, I just liked the product. I was like, Yo,
it comes out right. I don't care how this hot
dog and the sausage was made. Right.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
But now you've been a part of teams and you
know that dynamic to have a teammate that you really
don't like but you still got a ball with you
think they could have continued this or why did all
of a sudden Shannon Sharp in the middle of a
contract say enough is enough? Basically, Vonta Davis at halftime
of a contract, I'm done playing ball with your skip Bayless, Well,
(26:08):
what happened?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
We always know how this goal is Eagles egles involved
and whenever you have money, when persons start making a
lot of money, he started changing.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
The way how he feel about things. John Moran, how
you start acting?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
How you change if you don't have a lot of
money and you desperate, you like I work with anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I don't care if you hate or if I hate
him or not. But when you start making a lot
of money, you secure. You sit back like I don't
know how to work with you.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Somebody else will pay me this money because I already
improve myself.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And my value. I don't like you, but what we
do we.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Sit on the outside, like you just said and said, man,
I like it though, but we don't see what's really
going on. So when you have egos involved, people start changing,
mindsets start changing. You get to dictate what you do
with your life and how you want it to be done.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
And that's all we see here.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So Shannon Sharpen, Yeah, it was a flex like it's funny.
It's just like when we play ball. When you were
a rookie. You just left college and you were the man,
and they want to training care As a rookie, you
can do whatever you got to carry the homies helmets,
you out there saying, okay, you won't donuts and chicken
what you want to do? By year four, when you
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up for your contract and you're about to get mega paid,
you looking at them other vets and everybody else like,
y'all better kiss these rings, y'all better recognize y'all better
bow down to this greatness. And I think that Shannon
walked in there so thankful for the opportunity from Skip
and just was tiptoeing for a while, then.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Started to flex and then started to feel himself.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It's like, yo, Skip, when you're gonna respect that I
am where you are.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
If not surpassing you. And Skip never buzzed, never would
kiss those rings.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
What else is on your chest? Man, big dog? I'm
looking at the finals.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I heard y'all just talking about Jimmy Butler. Man, I
like Jimmy Butler. I think it's the same as I
think like a lot of receivers or a lot of
good players in any sport, they feel like they are
superstars too, or they can make a lot of great players,
but you're not the greatest. You know to do it,
And a lot of them have to do with athletic ability.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
What have you done? Resume?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
You know you want to you want to shust the miles.
You want to prove yourself. Go out and win this
championship and watch and see what happened. Go win this
championship with that team and watch and see how they
talk about you. It's earned, not given. So you want
to shut up at it, they say, go earn it,
keep talking.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I love that because you know, all rings aren't created equal.
I mean, I think they are, but I've learned from
the sports public at large, the perception is all rings
aren't created equal. That that Detroit Pistons ring when they
had Chauncey Billups out there, they look at that a
whole lot different than Lebron and Dwayne Wade and Chris
Bosh over there trying to get their ring. The Dallas
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Mavericks ring when they got theirs, people looking at that
a lot different. So I look at this situation where
Jimmy Butler, man, the greatest thing about him is that
he will always be greater than any excuse you give him.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Not enough talent around him, Oh, he.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Has his own limits in his skill set. And you
are that type of player as well, where no matter
what you were given and you were Hella fast but
you were small, you never use that as the excuse
for the reason you couldn't be out there and ball out.
And that's what I love about Jimmy Butler. And it's
contagious because when you see other guys like a Tyler
hero even though he's hurt or you see the other
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guys on the court who have tremendous talent, and he like, dog,
if I'm doing all this and I'm Jimmy Butler, y'all
better get y'all game up and recognize that this is
what is expected and that's how you really build culture.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Hey, Marcella's tell these people what I'm really doing over here.
So I'm over here, rehaving a quad that I put
for me and Marcella's racing last week.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yes, yes, I'm gonna let Dino go on that when
we race.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Everywhere we go, we've been racing for twenty plus years. Nightclubs,
after the bar, I mean, places we shouldn't have been
that I ain't gonna bring up right now out the country.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Trending Dad Brazil.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
No matter where we go, we race, and he always
gives me a head start, like if we running the forty,
he'll give me twenty. But the goal is to catch
me before I get to the finish line. And the
funniest thing is a week or so ago, we were
at so Far Stadium and we just saw the turf
and then that football player and us the start waking
up again, and then we race one more time now.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
He smoked me, but he also smoked his squad because
he can't walk right now. And I was like, no,
you didn't need all that gas to beat me in
that race. Man.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
So that's my dog, Dennis North cut Man. Much love,
and you gotta keep coming back on the show.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's all I need from you. Deal.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
I'm back, man, whenever you need me, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All right, My dog, my dog, and man that dude Dino.
Y'all don't understand how cool we are. And I got
one more man. We got another Wally's World member in here.
Name Quasi's we got. I'm doing great. I see the
artwork in the back. You're getting better.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Practice makes perfect baby. Oh I love it? Man. What's
on your chest? Brother? What do you want to? I
just want to.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I want to call in and say what's uping?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Man? Much love to you.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Love what you're doing over here on the product. You
know we need this platform. We need your voice.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Rateful. Let you out here doing your thing.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Never never surrender, never retreat. Love what you do, bro, Oh,
I love it. Never shut up dannit. That's right, Quasi
and Quasi can golf.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
He's bigger, his brain is bigger than me, and two
seventy five he's gigantic with the cell membranes up top.
But I know you broke down some sports, and I
just scared to ask, what do you want to talk
about because I might not be able to keep up
what you got.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, I know.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
You're an international expert, so I want to dive into
some some real money. What overseas we all know the
biggest for on the planet is is soccer or football
as the rest of the planet talks about it. And
a big star recently just had a very very i'll
say dramatic ending to his season, Ronaldo. He took he
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took the bag when to go play in Saudi with
the Saudi money, which we all talked about a lot,
and he didn't have the end of the season that
he was looking for. Now, when players end up going
to take the bag and they are perceived as doing
things for reasons why average fans might not like what
(32:32):
they're doing, they get heavily criticized. But when we in
the private sector, as regular employees just go take the bag,
the criticism is different. Now I'm wondering what your taking
is on this because he had this unfortunate end to
his season. He took the bag, and now all this
criticism is around. You know, is he as good as
he used to be? And has he washed up?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
That?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Two fifty meals a lot of money though it's a
lot of it's a lot of loop.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Ooh man, I knew this question was gonna be next
level because Quasi was asking it.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yes, what a question right here?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I think the first thing we all have to admit,
even Ronaldo, is your better days are behind you, Like
it's Ronaldo, was he thirty seven, thirty eight? So let's
just have the smart starting point. The best of Ronaldo
is behind him.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Now from that starting point, you start to see the
decline and everyone wants to label the decline, especially when
you get the bag from Saudi Arabia. They're like, was
that coincidental or was there causation? Like basically, did you
get the money and tap out on us? And did
just basically say I'm over there and play at any
level who cares? Because I'm not playing against the Premier
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league guys, I'm not playing against the Krem de la Krem.
And then I could just mail it in and get paid,
all right. I don't have that answer. No one has
that answer. Here's the answer we do have, though, that
when you get the bag as it's supposed to do,
it pays and buys away a lot of your problems,
which includes criticism, which includes a place where you already
(34:06):
have some issues. And he had his issues the last
couple of years especially, and he's just like daw, I
don't care about your issues. I am not disgruntled because
I have something to look forward to. Where you're looking
at it like you're gonna be missing something. The fanfare,
the box office. I am Ronaldo, no goal scored, and
(34:28):
I still sell out this stadium.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
In the middle of the night in my sleep.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
So now they're looking at it like wow, a deficit
or loss, where he's looking at it like I'm still
commanding top dollar just because of all that I've contributed
to the sport. No one was mad at Kobe Bryant
Rest in peace when he got his big deal at
the end that he didn't necessarily deserve because he wasn't
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gonna be able to pay it forward and not gonna
be able to pay this forward as well.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
But does he deserve it?
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Hell yeah, because They don't give it to anybody unless
you've already earned it. So I think it's a smart
play from both sides, Saudi Arabia and Ronaldo.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
What you feel, Yeah, I think that there's a lot
of criticism that comes in in a lot of different
ways about the color of the money and who decides
where the money came from and what's good money was
bad money. I think that the situation with Ronaldo, however,
particularly he has as a world class athlete, is in
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a very difficult situation because he's an elite air that
nobody really understands until your you know, at that level.
He knows where he is as far as his talent
level goes. He knows what we can see performing and
whether or not his body's gonna allow and perform at
that level in the next couple of years to get
that bag, whether it's meritorious what he got or not.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Only Tom Yeah, that's real. Yeah, man, I appreciate your quality.
Coming on. You know, you gotta come on again, Courtney.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Tell me if all of them could be on the
screen at once, or am I just gonna blow up
the system right now because I want to bring them
all on. Yeah, let's see that. But you know what's
funny quasi a. Let me say it this way. Athletes
are the first to recognize their decline and the last
(36:25):
to admit it. Like dog, ain't no way you ever
just been out there and did something you've been doing
since you were seven years old and didn't understand that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh God, I ain't got it now. But I ain't
about to tell nobody. I ain't about to accept it.
I ain't gonna internalize it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
And that's why I think we are, and that's why
so many athletes now are thinking about the transition to
the private sector the real world sooner than ever.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Because you don't want to get caught off guard with that.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
The money's so big, not only in sports but also
in the real world experience that you can make a
seamless transition now by building your game up, your brand up,
and then even at the.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
End you get a Ronaldo Kobe deal, and then.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
The real world will pay you Tom Brady money to
just come talk about the game you just played. So
putting it all together, I think it's the boat and
ribbon effect. My last thing is I just want to
play a little quick game. I'm making this up on
the fly. It's gonna be hilarious. I want to know
who's better. Okay, and both of you guys stay u muted.
(37:31):
I'm gonna start with you, Dino, who is better at
their gig? Skip Bayless or Shannon Shark?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Shannon Shark, I'm gonna say Sar because he's the new face.
He's the new face, so people love the new face.
He knew he came on, he sparked it.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Now.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Skip Bayless is something he's been doing, this is his career.
He gonna say this. I'm the Michael Jordan of this.
I'm the Magic Johnson is. I've been doing this forever.
But I would say Shannon Shark because he's new. He's
the new He's the new face of the league. So
why not.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
I think if you want to Skip, you don't have
to like his product. But the man is professional. He
knows his craft. He knows how to deliver the research
of preparation tactically. Skip is a way better professional whoa.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Let me see, this is a tough one. Man.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I think that Skip for me is the foundation you
can build so many things on great shows.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Other great co hosts Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Smith comes to mind, right, Shannon sharp obviously, and anybody
who's worked with Skip, including myself, you just glow when
you're with Skip Baylor's because you know he's gonna be
reliable and responsible, professional, as you said, and he's gonna
amplify whatever you want. The one thing about Skip Baylor's
people don't understand is that before he gets on the
show with you, he wants to know where you're going,
(38:57):
and he's he wants to give you that a he
wants to throw the alley oops to you. He's the
nicest dude in the world. But when the camera's on, oh,
I'm going for the neck and that's what people see.
But that's not the full dynamic.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Now. My other one is this.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We talked about social media earlier in this show. Social media.
All in all, you got to pick a side, good
or bad. Start with two quasi.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Oh wow, it's a Pandora's box. I think a lot
of these things are what you make of it.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Man.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
There's a lot of political conversation we can have about
a bunch of different things, taking different directions. I think
on the whole of the product, by itself as it's intended,
it's not a negative thing. You have bad people doing
bad things with good products.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
M do you know tough?
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Well said, well, I like to believe that you have
to adapt to anything that's new, anything that our world,
you have to adapt to it. So you went like
he just said, you have good and bad with anything.
So I'm with the social media. I'm withitty, you just
gotta adapt to it.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
It haven't hurt me. Maybe I'm not in a livelight
like that no more.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
But at the same time, I would have adapted to it,
knowing my surroundings and what's going on with social media.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
So I'm with it. It is what it is, all right.
I am with whoever said what Quasi said?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Now the stop Quasi man like, like, look, all in all,
it's a good thing. Man like Dag you imagined how
we grew up, versus like I wanted to just say
something to the homie around the corner. I literally had
to leave my house and get over there and then
hope and pray he was home.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Like it's a whole different animal.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Now I'm just sitting there in the crib, chilling, just
eating cheetos one.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Hand the other hand back back. He like, yep, let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
And I'm like what and imagine that's just around the corner.
It could be the homebe in India, Like, yall, I'm
coming through next week.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You there, yep, I'm like, what the hell is this now?
Speaker 1 (41:05):
All the knuckleheads and all the polarizing conversation, that's just
us leap in the neighborhood, knowing have to navigate around
the bullies, the gangsters, the drug dealers, the crazy heads.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
You know, like that's everywhere in this world. Negativity.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
But all in all, I'm a huge fan of social media,
and I'm a huge fan of Wally's world. Dennis north Cut,
my dog Dino, Dino Dino and Quasi. Appreciate you guys. Man,
I'm gonna let you go. So Mikey P could have
the last word. He could come in here with his
pom pomps and.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Break this thing. Go down with your boy. Look at
these graphics and stuff. Look at that. Why are we
over here?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
So appreciate y'all, and Mikey P, let me see your
beautiful face one more time. Oh man in some nation, brother,
I want to hear real fast. You got a minute,
let's hear it, skip or Shannon, social media good are bad?
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Go Mikey Pee ah.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Man, all right, give me, give me skip for the
reasons you said. I actually really was vibing with that.
He's a pros pro so, but I do like Shannon
a lot. I really do social media. It's it's you know,
you live and die with it. I guess really, it's
(42:19):
it is what it is. It's the times you gotta adjust.
You gotta make the best of it and minimize the
negativity of it. So that's my TAKEWS.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Love big Dog, Yep, gotta make the most of it.
We're gonna make the most of this show.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Appreciate you, Mikey P and I appreciate all you Wiley
World members out there.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Dog.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Just the beginning, we're gonna be chopping up wood over here.
This is gonna be my favorite part of the show.
Like I'm gonna get through the first topics, y'all be like, oh,
I love it, Wiley, How you broke that down. I'm like,
but I love y'all more for the way that we
can break it down together.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So we're gonna just reinvent social media.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
This is social media actually, you know, YouTube and brings
TV reached TV in loose form, So now let's just
build it the way we want to right at our house.
This is the music we listen to, this is the
drink we drank, and this is how we party. So
appreciate y'all and let's end the show as we always
in the show with a wi league ism. Oh I
(43:15):
love having a voice without coaching these kids. Here's the
wild ism today. First they ignore you, then they laugh
at you, then they fight you, then you win. Who
Gandhi said that told y'all was texting eating some cheetos India,
and I was like.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Oh, let me give you a Gandhi quote up out
of here.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Man, First they ignore you growing up, Man, everything I
wanted to accomplish fell on deaf ears, and that included
balling out of control, trying to make it to the league,
and that included trying to be an academic Yes, Academic Decathlon,
Academic Spelling Bee, California Scholastic Federation National Honor student. When
(43:55):
I was saying that to my folks and tell them
I wanted to do it, man, whatever, pass me some
more cheetos. Right then they laughed at you, like, oh,
you're really trying to be that huh? You out in
front yard just doing this high knee drills by yourself,
you eight years old, people laughing, your homies riding on
the bike, he riding like Debo, looking at you, man,
what the hell you doing, doll? You ain't going nowhere
(44:16):
doing high knee drills, right, And then they fight you.
They get mad not at you, they're mad at what
they should have done. They're mad at what they should
have become. They're mad that somebody's actually driven to chase
their dreams and they know deep inside they didn't. So
now they got problems. Oh oh, that's how you're gonna act.
Oh oh oh, we're supposed to be the homie. You
(44:38):
can't never do anything but that work out and study,
and then you win if you fight through all those steps.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Gandhi said it a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
You'll sit there at your draft party, and you sit
there at your business promotion party and just looking around
at all those people that laughed at you, ignored you,
and fought you. And those are your friends, right, imagine enemies, man,
So always remember, first they ignore you, then they laugh
at you, then they fight you.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Then you get that dub. You get that win, all right, y'all,
got'll do it for more to it.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Check the show notes for all the information on our
topics today today. Want to keep the conversation go on,
Let's talk. Find me on all socials at Marcel's. Wiley
More Too is a production of Dan Patrick Production That
Dude Entertainment and workhouse Media. Show is executive produced by
Dan Patrick, Marcell's Whally, Paul Anderson, and Nick Panela. Thanks
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