Operation Hat Trick w/ Cassidy Clark

Survivor fan favorite Cassidy Clark is on the podcast this week! She joins Devyn and Tori to discuss her hair based feud with Wes, how she feels being the mother of the blue team, and the reason she's fighting to be a Challenge champion. Also, the world is introduced to.... Chaos-idy.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm Devin Simone and I'm Tory Deal and this is
MTV's official Challenge podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
And these episodes are getting a little bit of chaosity.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Dude, how good are they?

Speaker 5 (00:14):
Though?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Like really, it's I was talking to someone about it
today actually that like USA two, Man, if you're gonna
do it, this is the way to do it, because
it is every which way things are going up then
down then left. Each week is a different thing, and
I'm here for it. I am here for it.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I think when we were even in there, like the
producers were coming up to us and they were like, wow,
like this is yeah, this is exactly what needed to
happen in order for it to be an amazing season
because there was a Challenge USA one. You bring in
all of these people who maybe have been a part
of the Challenge world briefly, or if they've been a
part of some other world like Survivor or Big Brother.
They have their own built in alliances, they know how

(00:56):
to play the game.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
You bring in some vets for some nostalgia, and this
thing hits the roof. It's just incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's so good, and not even just nostalgia. Because again
like I love seeing that this.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I mean, oh okay, okay, I gotta get We're gonna
just to get into it. We'll do quick recap and
then I gotta give out my gold star. I'm so
excited you guys to give out my gold star for
this week's episode. All right, We see the unboxed challenge,
which props to Wes for that strategy and props to
the Green team for listening to him because they could

(01:28):
have easily been like no, Grandpa, but Wes was right
and he did a really good job. Then we see
Cassidy and Chris get voted in. Might we say even
props to West there right for sure?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Kinda yep run things.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Then the Hopper selects Alyssa l even though she only
had one ball in.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Wait, who did you vote for in the hat trick?
What was the name on your on your os l.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Torri being the reason Alyssa got eliminated this season.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
But unintentionally, for the record, it was it was the
hat trick. It was the hat trick.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Does Bananas know this?

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I mean after we had him on last week and
he talked about yeah, yeah he does, now he.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Knows, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Then Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
So then we get Cassidy versus Alyssa L and Cassidy
crushes it.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I mean, amazing job.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
And then Cassidy, you know, decides to to stay and
go back to her team, right, sticking with her team
A lot, just like a lot was happening in this episode.
But if I had to say who, my time out
of the week goes to, M, my time out of

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the week probably has to go to I wasn't prepared
for that.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'm prepared for my gold star, but it probably has
to go to I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
No one made me mad this episode, Like I feel
like everybody carried their weight, everybody did their thing. Didn't
love TJ's wardrobe as much. Maybe that's what gets it.
I don't know, but I feel like there was nothing crazy.
But what stands out as the gold star of the
week was the Queen of Operation m F and hat Trick.

(03:22):
I mean, that is so brilliant. And on last week's
episode of the podcast when you mentioned you and Bananas
were like, oh, the hat Trick's coming up, I'm thinking
there they go, given some damn spoilers again, because usually
a hat trick three pete right, So I'm like oh,
they must have like won again or they're doing something.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
No, no, no, it was literally a hat and they
pulled some tricks out of it, and Queen Toy Deal
came up with that and it is just brilliant, absolutely
great gameplay.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know what happened, We got to a point in
the game now where you see the divide between Big
Brother and Survivor, and.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I had people from Survivor in my ear.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I had people from Big Brother in my year, and
this is the first time I'm receiving any intel, any information,
anybody trying.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
To sway my vote. My vote finally had some power
to us. Yeah, she cared, how are we going to
continue to look like we have power.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Let's all get on the same page and you know,
create this chaotic voting system.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
But it was meant to be like a splatter of
votes everywhere.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, oh definitely was.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yes, And I couldn't believe it when my ball.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
You know, she has so many interview moments where she's like, yeah,
you know, I love when people don't see this coming.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
I love when I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, And then all of a sudden, and first of all,
there was no malice or no ill intent.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
With my vote. It was just part of the hat trick.
But carm just comes.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Back and it's like, Okay, well you like you like surprises,
well knock here.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I am a hundred percent a hundred percent like that
was so wild, so beautifully done, And I don't know,
it's interesting, Like I'm disappointed we don't have a lista
on this season. We did get to have her on
for USA one and she was, you know, wonderful, and
we learned a lot from her when she was on
that time.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
But I am.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Intrigued because on one hand, it's interesting to see she
had so much to say about bananas and we heard
last week about her parent like disdain for bananas in
his loudness. I don't know, and just the way she
really came in targeting the bets, and also the way
she was very much a leader, because even Bananas gave
her credit to just her leadership abilities and kind of
you know, she had a lot of big brother a

(05:24):
lot of people kind of underneath her. So I wonder
what that's going to do for the game moving forward.
But also I feel like, I don't know, I have
mixed feelings. Sometimes when people talk a big game and
they talk a lot, and then now you got to
back I feel like it maybe it comes back down
to the challenge thing again, you know, like now you
got to back it up. And so it's not that

(05:45):
she's not a great competitor. She is, and she was
last season as well. But I don't know, I just
feel like we see that maybe you're a little more
bark than you are bite, at least it appeared that
way this season.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
What I think is she really relies heavily on her
puzzle abilities and her strategy abilities, just because she she
looks around and she recognizes, like Cassidy.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Pattern mentions stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah yeah, Cassidy mentions it in the episode a little
later about the size being able to throw her body
into the cage, like yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
So I think that she.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
She puts a strong emphasis on those qualities about her.
She's she's a very sweet girl, like she was, yeah, yeah,
very charming to hang out with, you know. I definitely
think that she just recognizes she's in a shark tank
with a bunch of badass competitors.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
She's like, what's her edge?

Speaker 7 (06:29):
You know?

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, And I think and like I said on the podcast,
last season USA one, she was lovely as well.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
But I also think there's a little bit of like
credence too.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You can be big and bad in interview because not
everyone who will talk in interview will say what they
said in interview to the person's face, right, And so
when there's a lot of commentary and interview, it goes
back to that like say it with your chest thing.
And but although she did apparently say certain things with
her chest, two bananas around, pulling him aside and being

(06:59):
like this is why don't like you?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Which is why?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, no, she had she had a lot of spice
to her, like she yeah, she has a lot, and
so I.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Don't think she was expecting the vote obviously. I I
wasn't expecting it.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
When when her one got I felt like I won, Bingo,
because that's how that's how much I didn't think.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I was my one Bingo.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
That's honestly how I felt. I was like, wow, Bingo,
like that was my ball. I did not expect it
to be picked at all, you.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Know, Yeah, yeah, that is so just absolutely wild.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I definitely think the game is going to miss her
because she had such a kind of under the radar
influence or not under the radar, but you know what
I mean, Like, yeah, she was such a powerful strategist,
then it's gonna it's definitely shifting the game. Like I
can only imagine it's gonna shift. But who for you
this week is your gold star? And time out if
you have one?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Dude, my time out goes to Bananas, because why would
you put your ball on FeSi.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Like operation hat trick? And I just found this out now,
like he lied to me all the way up through film.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, Like, which is fine, he can lie, this is
his game whatever, but like we were all like who
the hell voted for FESSI like, and that put Bessie
on edge, Like it was so out there And the
only thing that I can think is TIFF's name was
on one of those things, and Bananas and Tiff were
getting really close as just like friends, they enjoyed just

(08:24):
friends friends, right and like a lion's building.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
I have this weird feeling and.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I don't know, maybe we'll get the information that he
pulled TIFF's name and.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
He was like I actually don't want to do it.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, yeah that could be true. Oh we should have.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Of course this episode would happen now and not when
we had him on last week because.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Now I want to know that I that theory. I'm
gonna text him.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, we have to find out. We have to find out.
So that's my time out, my goal.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I gotta give it to Wes, like I'm not gonna
take I'm not gonna take the credit for you gave
me one already.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I'll pass mine to another veteran of the game.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
And I think that he had the ability to convince
team to work with him. I think that his strategy
in the challenge allowed them to truly respect him. Yeah,
and you know, he obviously is holding it down for
the Vets, so I'm I'm I'm grateful.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, Yeah, he's doing an excellent job. It's been so
enjoyable watching Wes play this game. I'm excited and nervous
about how this feud with Cassidy starts to play out,
because it seems like they both really start going for
each other. But it's been great watching West play and
him be be himself but also be West. And also

(09:30):
an honorable mention goes to when he said he's gonna
start being the laughable.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Character we didn't acknowledge.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
When he's like, my new strategy used to be the
like silly goofy one hilarious.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Wait, there's actually a backstory behind skinny Dip.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
It's basically a bet that somebody made about somebody being
on the cast and West Oh, Wes didn't believe Paulie
was on the cast, but Anna's is like, Paulie's on
the cast, and they said, if Paulie's on the cast,
then Wes has to go skinny dipping in the poll.
Paul Bananas has to do it. So that's where that
actually came from.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh my god, I love that.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, just a little behind the scenes for you, but
I think we should get some more behind the scenes
from Cassidy, who absolutely dominated this episode. We got to
see the heartfelt side of her story, the reason why
she's fighting. We got to watch her compete, get a
little spicy in the club. Like I think that we're
really we're peeling back the layers right now with Cassidy,
and I'm really excited to hear what she has to say.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Absolutely, Okay, we're gonna go to a quick break and
then after that we are going to talk to Cassidy
and maybe even meet Chaosity.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
You may know her as somebody who should have won
season forty three of Survivor. She is the creator and
the mother of the Blue Team, and she is now
the first female rookie to win an elimination this season.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Give it up for Cassidyark.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
Wow, that was Honestly, I don't know if I deserve
that introduction. That was so sweet. Thank you you.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Girl, you deserve it. You are a mother in the
way that Toy said.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
And you're the first real, real rookie we've had on
the podcast so far this season where you were new
fully new to the challenge.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
So what was that.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Did you do any prep work beforehand? Were you familiar
with the challenge?

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Tell us, tell us all the thoughts.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
Oh yeah, Well, first of all, it's an honor to
be here, so thank you so much for having me on.
And I'm really excited to get into everything to do
with's my Challenge experience in this episode and all that
for the genesis of my I think Challenge experience. I
actually was. I watched it when I was in high school,
so I was like a big Challenge fan back in
the day. I remember, like one of my best friends

(11:52):
in high school we would watch it all the time,
like I remember Wes and Bananas and John A and
and I loved this show, you know, when I was
fifty sixteen, and then I kind of fell off the
wagon with it for a while, and so I honestly
didn't pick it back up until the Challenge, you I say,
came out and I noticed that, like, you know, there

(12:13):
were Survivor players that were going to play on it.
So I was really excited about that to see some
of my all time Survivor greats like play in this
new like the show that I used to watch back
in the day, and so I kind of picked it
back up then and then from there, you know, I
watched a few other seasons, but there this is going
to sound really bad, But when I got the call

(12:33):
to Beyond the Challenge, obviously I was super excited and
it was really nostalgic for me, but I part of
me like avoided watch, Like, you know, I should have
been studying the game, watching as many seasons as I could,
just like preparing getting to know all these veterans that
could potentially be on it and their gameplay and all
of that. But there was a part of me that
was like really nervous about going on the challenge to
begin with, and so I was like, I feel like,

(12:55):
if I watched too much of it, it's gonna scare
me and I'm gonna pside myself out and not want
to go.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I like, were you nervous about I was just,
you know.

Speaker 7 (13:03):
The challenges are really intense, and to be honest, like,
I know, I did well, like really well in Survivor
with like winning multiple communities and everything like that, but
I haven't been a very athletic person for most of
my life. I mean, as a kid, I played a
ton of sports, but then I just became like an
artistic person and I focused really more on the arts,
and so I didn't really do a lot of physical
stuff as I got older, and so I was I

(13:25):
kind of wasn't too sure of like my abilities and
if I was going to be able to take on
some of these like really intense, physically demanding, like terrifying challenges.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
You know.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
It's a little bit of a different caliber than Survivor.
And so I had some faith in myself after seeing
myself do well on Survivor, but it was still intimidating
because I mean a lot of the women and just
the people in general that go on the show are
like so physically fit. Yeah, I'm feel to give it
absolutely crushed if I go against people like that, you know, No,

(13:58):
So I yeah, So I didn't actually watch as much
as I should have, and I kind of went into
the show I don't want to say blind, but I
and there's a part of me that's glad that I
went into it with like a I don't want say
fresh perspective, but just like not having preconceived notions of
all these people, because I think a lot of people
just get certain reputations being on TV and it's not

(14:20):
always true to like their character and who they really are,
And so I didn't want to make any assumptions about
people going in and then just like disregard them or
really want to work with that whatever. I wanted to
just gauge it based off of like my first impressions
by intuition and things like that. So I'm kind of
glad I did it that way. But I was definitely
a little bit unprepared going I'll just say that.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I was really long would an answer, but to be
unprepared and then to immediately have to be a captain
and then not yeah, I mean that's a lot, but
like you said, you trust your intuition and you have
a good sense of following your energy and making sure
that you're doing decisions that align with what your heart
wants you to do. But you know, it brings me
over to what happened last week, because I'm curious, like

(14:57):
how tapped in you really were. So when DESI was
nominated for that double elimination and you saw your name
was up there twice on the board, did you know
in that moment who put your balls in the hopper?

Speaker 7 (15:09):
I think I figured. I think I figured it was
obviously some of the veterans. You know. I was hoping
that it wasn't Toy because she was on my team,
But you never know, I can't remember who else was
still there, John I was still there or not. I
don't think she was. Yeah, So I think maybe whether
it was conversations I had, or if it was just
like deduction or why, I can't remember exactly, but I mean,

(15:33):
it seems like the conversation I had this week, I
seemed pretty certain that or I had an inkling that
item and I just can't remember why.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, it seemed like you knew it was what I mean,
it seemed like, at least from watching it, that your
eyre went towards Wes pretty quickly, and early on it
seems that you were kind of like, Wes is the
worst going after him. I'm wondering after watching this episode
and seeing where he acknowledges in the beginning. Look, I
didn't have a beef with Cassidy. I didn't really want

(16:00):
to go with Cassie. But my team in the week
prior sort of set it up, making it seem like
that was going to be the team vote or what
have you. So I kind of went along even though
that wasn't my thing. And then his team blindsided him
by all voting for Amanda, and he didn't know, and
he sort of says, look now I'm out to dry.
Does it make you feel differently now seeing that without

(16:21):
giving anything away as far as what happens, but just
knowing that now and knowing that he really wasn't gunning
for you initially at least, does that make you feel
any differently?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Or is he still the worst? Ginger?

Speaker 7 (16:37):
Okay, well, first of all, first thing I'll say is
Wes started the Ginger feud. I don't even really consider
myself that I was like, maybe I'm half ginger.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
But yeah, you're blond now, by the way, it looks fabulous.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Oh, thank you, thank you. And I'm pretty used to
being blonde. I just let my hair go out sometimes,
you know. But I with Wes, he I didn't. First
of I didn't want to the He wanted to be
the only ginger there, and I think that was, you know,
part of it. Partially, it was mostly a joke, but
I was like, you can have that, you know, it's fine.
But even like the first night he he was like
being all, what's the word to say, but he was

(17:12):
like giving me a hard time the first night because
of that. I was like, don't worry, Wes, I'll win
you over, like it'll be fine. And we had this
like we have like playful banter. But I just I could,
I just I know, I've known people like Wes in
my past who are really good at playing the mind games,
being a little bit manipulative, like he I don't want

(17:32):
you know, he owns that part of himself, right, Like
he's kind of like the mastermind kind of guy wanting
to pull thing puppet things from the shadows. And I've
known people like that and I've gotten I've gotten really
attuned to people like that, so I can I can
sense when people's energies are like that. And so I
just after kind of getting to know West, I could
just kind of see his little tentacles kind of working

(17:53):
in the game in a more subtle way that like,
I think some people don't pick up on if they
haven't like been in friendships or dated people that are
kind of similar to that, or gotten like a lot
of exposure to that. And so I just feel like
I could I kind of I could see his game
more clearly, even from not even watching I think if
I watched past seasons, I would that would be pretty
obvious to me. But yeah, definitely I could have just

(18:16):
figured that out before, you know, if I.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
But hearing him now sort of say where he expresses
in his right Okay, yes he really wasn't initially trying
to go for you.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
So the reason that there is a part of me
that's like, yeah, I probably could have avoided this whole
feud with an extremely seasoned and you know, competitive and
just like an all around great player. I probably could
have avoided making such a huge enemy by not going
so much after him after this vote. But the thing
was Monty and Tyler. I had a conversation with them

(18:45):
and they pretty much blamed the whole thing on West.
They said he was gunning for me. They said they
didn't want to, but he was like, you made me,
you made me both this way. Now I want I
want Cassidy, you guys and side with me and whatever,
and they kind of threw Hi under the bus in
that way to say their own skin. I'm assuming and
so there it wasn't like to me, they yeah, it
was like, okay, so this is what Wes wanted me in.

(19:06):
Wes is gunning for me. I don't really know why,
but I had sensed that there was maybe like there
wasn't it wasn't gonna be a perfectly smooth road with
me and Wes already just because of our personalities. But
they kind of so they kind of threw onund of
the bus and then I had heard Wes okay. So
Chris told me that Wes had made him swear on

(19:27):
his daughter, like he has a baby Chris is a
baby daughter, and he had made him swear on his
baby daughter's life that he wouldn't vote for him in
the Latin like the prior vote. And so when I
heard that, like Chris was like au dishing all this
stuff to me because Wes had thrown him in again
right or they West had said his name, and so
we him are talking about all these things like why
they throw us in and he mentions that, and I

(19:48):
was like, oh, I don't like that at all, Like
that really rubs me the wrong way. And so after
hearing that, and just hearing like Wes has been making
survivor people specifically make these promises, he doesn't trust us,
I'm just like that. I'm not cool with that, Like
you should make people swear on like people's lives, things
that matter to them. That's a little too much for me.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
So although, to be fair, though, people are adults and
there's not anything anyone could do to make me swear
on anyone.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
That's fair.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
That's fair, that's fair. I don't think that. I mean,
I'm not I don't know if Chris did swear or not,
but just having that pressure on there and then you
say no, I'm not gonna swear, then he's like, well,
I don't trust you. I don't believe you. You're not
whatever kind of puts you in a tough position. So
Tysion like that and so that combined with him getting
like a blame from the Green team just made me

(20:37):
feel like, Okay, this guy's coming after me, Like what
am I going to do? And it's like a really
heated moment. I'm scared. I've never been in an elimination.
They look really intense, and so I think I definitely
field most of my anger towards him. But I was
also upset with Monty and Tyler because I felt like
I had started to build good relationships with them.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's my next question, like, after watching it back, like
there's three people I want to know about if you
kind of look at them differently after seeing this one
when you see the originally pitch your name to Wes
and then he co signs it, did you know DESI
did that?

Speaker 4 (21:04):
And then two with Manti and Tyler.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Obviously you said that they were saying that it was
all Wes's fault, but now watching it back, do you
believe that?

Speaker 7 (21:11):
So seeing DESI say my name obviously hurt, right, because
the survivors are all trying to protect each other and whatnot,
but it's not that surprising. And to be perfectly honest,
like I didn't necessarily have her in my long term
plans either, because she's such a strong competitor and so,
you know, but that early on having her like kind
of throwing me into the bus is, Yeah, that sucks,

(21:33):
that's unfortunate. But I would be a hypocrite if I've
said that. I maybe would have done the same thing
to her if the roles reversed, if that's what I
felt like needed to be done, right and if I
felt like I wasn't gonna get caught doing that. But yeah,
so that was kind of interesting to see. And then
with the Monty and Tyler thing, Yeah, I do think
that they threw Wes under the bus more than I'm

(21:55):
sure they probably weren't so pressed at the decision to
throw me in, right, because I'm a Survivor player Survivors
have you know, our group is strong. I'm on the
Blue team. The Blue team hasn't lost a membery yet.
So if I felt do I feel like it was
really like REST had to really convince them to throw
me in because it really didn't want to know. It
wasn't like it was necessarily that bad for their game.

(22:17):
I just felt like I had tried to protect manty
and like the previous vote, and I just felt like
I started growing close to them just like and was
hoping that we could potentially somehow work together. I felt like,
there's going to become a time when we might meet
each other and these lines are not going to be
so set, and so I was just hoping that I
would have them for a little bit longer, or at
least have like one or two friends and big brother
that might protect me.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
And so, but now, seeing what you saw, do you
feel like they've betrayed that friendship a little bit? I
guess that's sort of our point. Oh yeah, oh for sure, rookie, rookie, Yeah,
that's kind of what let me know, is like you
get to see it back now and it's you're seeing
you have more information than you did in the heat
of the moment, which, by the way, I'm just going
to say.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
And aside, I like fired up Cassidy. That was great
to see.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Who came in hotpisode and it looks like next episode
you were ready to go.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Her nickname you should have seen me at the start. No,
it's okay, her nickname is Chaosity.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Oh god, Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Yeah, because in middle school, my like scene name was
I like I donned myself chaos Cassidy, like on my
MySpace like when I was eleven. So it's kind of
like it's kind of full circle and so I'm not
mad at it, but it is like it's a chaos.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I love that. Can we name this episode chaosity?

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I was.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
They never changed the name of the episodes, but can
we please?

Speaker 7 (23:37):
I love it would have been more churiosity if the
I did actually call out West. We can get to
this later an episode. But I did. I did pull
Wess out at the elimination on the sand, which probably
was I mean, it definitely was risky for my game,
but so I do when I really want to say
something like I can't sometimes hold back. And what we
actually didn't see is as far as Monty and Tyler,
like I didn't actually fully blame West, I yell. I

(24:01):
kind of yelled at Monty and Tyler if I'm not
gonna lie Like that night, you know you saw just
a clip of me saying, hey, boys, you want to talk? Yeah? Yeah,
actually came downstairs and I I did kind of chew
into them a little bit. So they It wasn't Wes
getting all of the heat. It was just I felt
like Monty and Tyler like were almost like being manipulated.

(24:26):
They're smart guys. I'm not gonna say they're being controlled
by him, but I just felt like they were acting
on his wishes and it just felt silly to me
to like be the puppet of like the veterans when
they're such a great players and now we're just gonna
sit here and do their bidding for them. That's kind
of felt like what I felt they were doing with Wes,
and so I was not at them. But then I

(24:47):
felt like Wes was like he had this like master plan,
and so I felt he was more of the person
that I needed to focus on because he was a
bigger threat to me, and he was he was the
one that was gonna be able to I thought he
was my biggest threat at that point to get me
out in the future versus Monteo Tyler. Where was just
a tough decision for them. I felt like, at this point,
Wes has made an enemy of me. Now he's not
going to stop till he gets me out. That was

(25:08):
kind of why I folcus more on him.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
If that makes sense, Torri, What was your thought being
in the house as well, Like, as you're seeing all
this play out, and given that you know Wes, but
you know, like you've known him longer, did you get
the feeling in the house that he really was gunning
for Cassidy? Like what was the other energy for the
people kind of outside of the feud?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, I think you know, Wes does have a reputation
that precedes him, and I think sometimes he gets really uncomfortable,
like he gets upset when people could tie back his Yeah,
because he he tries to dissociate from that. He's trying
to separate from it. But listen, he is a strategic player.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
He does.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
He's doing his best right now, and how could I
be mad at it?

Speaker 4 (25:49):
He's trying to save the challenge Vets. So yeah, I'm
looking at.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
The situation like like anybody would look, well, okay, if
it's not me, then it's fine.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
It doesn't even matter what way it goes. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, And so I think, ultimately I don't think Cassidy's
in the wrong because when you watch it back, he's
over there strategizing.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
I don't think there's a right or wrong to be
clear either what it's real just real feelings.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, it's real time, real feelings, real everything behind the house,
real ca.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, but I could say, like, you know, obviously Wes
is a really important player on that Green team. We
saw it with the strategy that he decided during that challenge.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
And Cass, I want to know, because.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
You were the creator, the mother of the Blue team,
Like how did you feel we competed in that daily
challenge and like where do you think we stand in
comparison to the other teams?

Speaker 7 (26:39):
So let's see. I mean, I felt like from the
beginning that we were a really strong team. I mean
I think even just winning the first challenge was super
good for our morale and like our trajectory as in
our momentum. The next challenge was a little bit hit.
Then we win the capsize and so and then we
you know, had just throw the other.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Like bananas coming to your team.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
It's hard. Oh yeah, he definitely here on me honestly,
Like I love bananas. We he's he's uh, he's he's
a character for sure, you know, and he's he actually
is surprisingly a lot of depth to him that like
I think, yeah, hides behind a little bit with his
like his bravado and sarcasm and everything like that. But
he's definitely got he definitely got a good heart and

(27:27):
so but I didn't know him that well up at
this point, you know, and I just was like, Oh,
he's got kind of a he's he's strong willed, he's
got a lot, he's got a lot of voice. And
I don't know how that's about messed with the team
because our team was working so well together at this point,
and I feel like we all felt like we could
have a voice and there wasn't one person trying to

(27:47):
take control. And I was just a little worried from
seeing Bananas compete other challenges that that much he might
overtake the team a little bit. But he ended up
being a, you know, a good team player, and I
was happy to have him, you know, but I was
nervous about our team gets broken up like that because
it was like I built this team and it starts
changing and you're like, you're like, oh, this is my
babyde but it's evolving too, you know. And it was.

(28:08):
And then we got Dazzy, which I thought was she
was an asset as well, even though I was sad
to see a Lissa go. Yeah, I mean I just
felt like once people were going into elimination and winning
and then deflecting the Blue team, it kind of like,
as you know, it was a little bittersweet to see
the team change, but we kept getting stronger through these
stronger players who are winning these eliminations coming onto our team,

(28:30):
and so it was I think we got better over time,
you know, honestly, but I felt like we had a
good chance to win, and then the Green team, I
think it was just the strategy was on their side
this time, and it was actually a little bit of
a disadvantage I think to have a bigger team. But
I thought, you know, even when the Green team had won,
I felt okay about being potentially safe, just because I

(28:51):
thought I had Alyssa and Monty and Tyler and Michaela
on my side, and so I think that was why
it was a little bit stronger of a reaction for me,
because I didn't really see it coming much.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, that makes sense. Two questions.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
First question, because I didn't fully understand in watching it.
So each of you guys obviously had a bucket or
box or whatever that corresponded with your weight, right with
puzzle pieces in it. Now, when you get up to
a puzzle platform thing, how do you know which box
holds the puzzle pieces for that corresponding puzzle.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
No, no, there wasn't.

Speaker 7 (29:24):
You could do any puzzle the puzzle oh.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
God, gotcha, because the big squares didn't really matter.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
They were just to hold the puzzle.

Speaker 7 (29:31):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, it was like a blank station. Yeah,
blank station. You get to pick which box you want
to which puzzle.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
And I think that we ended up doing more puzzles.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Right or I think so.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
Yeah, yeah, we did like four.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, so the.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Green Team definitely only did one and then it was
a straight shot walk.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
But we, I mean we tried to do four or five.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
How many puzzle stations were there?

Speaker 5 (29:54):
A lot?

Speaker 4 (29:55):
A lot really, Yeah, I don't know how many.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
We didn't end up doing all of them, but it
was just we we had too many boxes and too
many people that were struggling with the boxes.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
Yeah, so we had no choot.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Yeah, we had no choice but to do it. But
it was it was a hard battle.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
It was a hard fight, which leads me into one
of my favorite scenes from this episode. Is you talking
about why you're fighting so hard on the challenge cast
and opening up about the situation with your sister, Like
I know that from talking in the house with you,
but it really was beautiful to see her picture and
to hear you talk about that, and so maybe would
you just share a little bit more about that journey

(30:31):
with us.

Speaker 7 (30:32):
Yeah, it was It was really touching to see that
and that they showed a little bit about my sister
and my journey to like get here and what I'm
fighting for. And she was my sister. Obviously, she had
passed away when I played Survivor, and I still you know,
I had this necklace that I wore with I don't
have it on now, but it's like it's a moon
and it's like a little earned necklace you put ashes

(30:53):
in it, and I brought that with me on Survivor
and I would just like I had her spirit with me,
and it helped me to get through Survivor. Like there's
so many moments where felt defeated, I felt down, I
was struggling, and just like having her energy there and
her spirit to guide me and like give me just
the push I needed to continue was like so pivotal
to my game and Survivor. And so you know, like

(31:15):
I felt like coming to the challenge that I still
had that kind of like superpower with me, that I
had her spirit there, and I brought the neckas with
me again. You can even see me messing with it,
like before the boats are read or the ball is
pulled from the hopper, and and so it was really
touching to get to that they shared that because it
is like a huge thing that I'm fighting for. I mean,
you know, she left two children behind. You know, she

(31:38):
was a young mom, and I just like I watched them.
I've watched them girls since they were babies, and I
just feel like, you know, partially responsible for them and
their well being because I was like so close to
my sister, were close in age, and I feel like
I'm the closest thing that they see when like they
you know, they had their mom and then I'm just
like a little bit younger than her, and so I

(31:59):
feel like I'm the closest, not like think that they
have to a mom, because my mom is actually kind
of the closest thing they have to a mom. She's
like hopping to raise them and everything. But I just
want to like be able to give them what my
sister isn't here to give them. You know, I want
them to feel safe and secure. I want them to
grow up happy and loved and have all the opportunities
that they could dream of. And that's really the thing

(32:20):
I was fighting for in Survivor, and it's the thing
that I was fighting for and the challenge because I
didn't win Survivor, and so it's just what gives me
the push to keep going. You know, you need something
else to drive you in these moments when you're in
the like in these tough positions, you need something more
to get you through it. And so there yeah, yeah, yeah,
so that was that was really sweet to see.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
That was really beautiful.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Okay, guys, we need to take a quick break, so
don't go anywhere.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
We'll be right back after this.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
As we're starting to see a lot of things flip
in this house, we see chaosity starting to peek through,
which I'm fired up about.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
We also see.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Operation hat Trick come about, which is a tory. I
mean in the he move right like I words can't Cassidy,
is this your first time seeing or hearing about Operation
hat Trick.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
I think I heard through the grapevine about Operation hat Trick,
but not until well after the season, so it's really
it's funny to like watch it play out, and man,
I just feel for a list up because she was
a real victim of Bombridge and hat trick. Like truly,
if that was the reason I went out, I would
have been like, oh, that's tough.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
But I feel like if in one way it's like
she's the victim, but not because I feel like this
is as just a viewer.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I mean this seas whole season has been a roller
coaster ride.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, between especially between Bets and rookie in a way
that I don't think we've seen in previous seasons maybe
even ever, Like this season's really turning up to be.
I was actually talking to someone today, not giving them spoilers,
but just saying like, because they watched USA one and
I was like, no, no, no, USA two.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Is like, yeah, is all the things, all the things.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
And so you know, you rookies, you knew Bees are
coming in hot, coming in organized have been going at
the Vets, putting the Bets on the back foot, right,
making them kind of like essentially the rookies in this game,
understandably and deservedly so. But I feel like now in
the last couple episodes, we're getting to see a little
bit of what makes the Vets the Vets and the legends, right,

(34:40):
which is this outside of the box thinking, which is
Team Blue throwing that challenge right to make sure that
the other Red team wins, which is Tory coming in
with an MVP move of operation for hat trick, which
is Toy telling them to flush it down the toilet,
and Bananas being like, I'm gonna eat it, which is weird.
I don't know if they weren't serving you guys food

(35:01):
in the house or what, but he could have just
flushed it. He didn't need to eat his piece of paper.
But really brilliant. And I feel like the reason why
I say this is not a victim is because you
this is what happens when you shoot at the Vets though, right,
Like you shot at the Vets, not you specifically, Cassidy,
but the rookies shot at the Vets. Yeah they're now
shooting back, but they're kind of coming in with machines and.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Just firing equally.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
But I mean, that's kind of what happens when you
make an enemy with the whole squad, are you No?

Speaker 4 (35:30):
It was, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (35:31):
It was brilliant for sure. It was. It is cool
to you know, see all these things that I obviously
wasn't aware of. The Yeah, yeah, and yeah, you see
why they've made the show what it is and why
they're legends, and it's really fascinating to like learn from
them in this way too. And yeah, and I knew

(35:53):
like going in that we had somewhat of an APO battle,
Like we did have the numbers, but they have the experience,
they have the grit, they have you know, the right mindset,
the strategy and all of that. And even though they
were they had less numbers, like they are such a
force to be reckoned with that I knew. It was
like we're pretty much like on even playing around, you know,

(36:14):
if we're not careful at the beginning of the game
and they gained traction, they could just demolish us with
even like a few numbers. So yeah, it was it
was definitely shaky ground for sure, and I think we
were all a little bit scared too, even though we
did technically have the numbers, you know, and it is
it is kind of easy in a game like this
where they're secret voting and these things going on to
turn people against each other. So even though Big Brother

(36:36):
and Survivor were trying to be and the amazing race,
You're trying to be like a somewhat united group to
take out the Vets like that, all started to crumble
really quickly because we see them see these two teams
like the Vets and like their their ways, they're you know,
their capabilities like and pulling the strings. No, just what
I'm saying, so come on so much chaos and that

(37:00):
was what they had to do.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
This coming from chaosity.

Speaker 7 (37:06):
I'm writing from the bus.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I was like, you know what, I got to say
that we thought Operation hat Trick was just like flawless,
and then come to find out Banana's actually voted for
FESSI like that.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
That was just did you know that? Watching the episode?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
So this is to me, I'm like, wow, no matter
what we think, we still don't even know who we're
working with.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Like Bananas had that one hidden from us the whole time.
So yeah, just dude kept everybody on their toes. I
mean all around.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's been like really cool to watch this all play out.
And I think Cass, like you're a rookie and and
like you guys really did come in with a strategy.
And although the vets are firing back now, you guys
had this organized front. So I want to know from
your side who was the ringleader, whether it be the
ringleader of Survivor or the ringleader of you guys working
with Big brother to get the vets out, Like.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Where did that st?

Speaker 7 (37:58):
So I would say, I think sirs, just in general
have and I know the Big brothers too, like you
have this and that's too, Like we all have this
innate loyalty to each other just because we we've been
through the shits together. We've been through these really difficult situations,
even if we've been on the same seasons, Like we
understand each other in a way that we don't undernecessarily
understand the others. And so I think there was always

(38:19):
this just natural camaraderie amongst the survivors. But it was
interesting because within the Survivor group, in my mind at least,
there was sort of like two factions in the Survivor
group in a way. And the way I saw it
was it was like Desi, Chanelle and Michael were super tight,
and then I saw more of like and I and

(38:39):
we at the beginning we were all working together more closely,
but I, you know, I felt like I ended up
feeling like I could talk more or I don't know,
like me Chris Sebastian and Michelle, I felt like we're
kind of closer in that way, and then they had
gone closer, but then Michelle was really close to them too,
so I wasn't really sure, but like make Kaylo really

(39:01):
didn't like chrisource Abashian that much, and so there was
kind of these divides within the Survivor thing, and then
there ended up being a little bit of beef with
me and Mikayla at some point, and it just I
felt like Michaelo sort of wanted to be the ring
leader in the Survivor group just because she's she's really
intelligent and she's a great strategist, and so she had
she had really strong ideas and opinions and a lot

(39:23):
of them are super valuable and valid in Me and
MICHAELA would get together, especially early on in the game
and talk a lot of strategy and things, but sometimes
it felt like my voice wasn't really being heard within
that group, and so that kind of and Michelle sort
of felt the same way too, kind of felt like
we started to have different opinions about who we wanted
to go for, and we started to have different ideas

(39:44):
of what we wanted our game to day at the end,
and so eventually there did start to be some cracks forming,
but I wouldn't say there's necessarily one ring leader. I
just think for as long as we could, even though
we there were cracks, we were just trying to stay
Survivorsong for like just literally as long as we could,
because we knew once they started picking us off that
it won't be a maountter of time before, like, you know,

(40:06):
because we were perceived as such a strong group that
we were just going to get pummeled if we started
losing numbers. But the problem is people are coming after us,
right and it's happening like we're under threat, but they
just can't get us out because we keep winning the elimination.
So so it's like that was I think really the
reason why Survivor up to at this point it's still

(40:26):
been able to stay as strong as it were, just
because like we were getting thrown in and we were
getting targeted. It's just we were coming back out of
the eliminations. So yeah, I don't know if that answered
the question or not.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
I think it's valid and I think that's guess it's
obvious what's happening.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I just was interested in hearing it from you, somebody
who was on the inside of the Survivor Alliance.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Which was the alliance that I was trying to get
and do for so long. Like I was like, damn,
I want to go Bestrand myself on an island right now.
It's like they could feel like I'm one of their own.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:54):
What was tough for me within the Survivor Alliance is like,
obviously Chris and Sebastian weren't threats to me because they
were guys and they were going to be running most
likely like their own final or whatever. And so for me,
the women were more of my competition in the game
as as for girls, like in the show usually there's
a male winner and a female winner, and so I

(41:15):
the hardest thing for me was I wanted to say
Survivor strong and protect everybody and survivor and I did
as much as I could. But at the same time,
I'm looking at the end game and I'm like, if
I have to go against like people like Desi and
Chanelle and Mikaylor, who are incredibly strong competitors. I was
super nervous about that. So I'm like, I'm playing with
the end. I was even getting close to Tory at
this point because we're rooming together and we have a

(41:37):
lot of similar interests and things, and so I was like,
I'm getting really close to all the strong women and
I'm kind of scared, Like it's gonna be good for
my game in the long term if I'm a lot
like allied with all the strong.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Women to protect people.

Speaker 7 (41:50):
Yeah, yeah, because I I just completely crushed me at
the end with them. So it was to it was
like I was split between this.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
You proved in this elimination that you are also a
strong girl. We saw you book through it.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
What was your strategy when you saw the cage?

Speaker 7 (42:05):
I think it helped that I had a little bit
more like body weight on Melissa, because it really ended
up being just like throwing yourself and all of your
weight into this cage. And I like, I truly just
when I get in the zone, like whenever I get
my backs against the wall, that's when I will literally
give everything I have inside of me. And I didn't

(42:27):
think about getting hurt. I didn't think about like what
this was doing to my body. I mean I had
bruises all over my knees because my knee had fell down.
I was beat up after this challenge, but I was
just like throwing myself as hard as I could, and
I was like whenever I would because it's really this
cave is so much heavier than it probably even looks
on camera, and so moving it was such a physical
effort that like, once you get it to roll, you

(42:48):
have to throw your entire body just at this metal
cage to get it to continue rolling, even like a
couple feet, and so just you're just basically bashing yourself
against metal for what this took like probably thirty or
forty minutes. Yeah, maybe maybe twenty thirty. I don't know,
but it was but yeah, I mean I did. I
definitely like had a good lead on Alyssa, but once

(43:09):
I started trying to put the flags on the light post,
that's where she was able to catch up because I
was at such a weird angle and I had you know,
you saw, but we had to keep adjusting ourselves and
trying to like it was so almost impossible to line
yourself up with this light post where the cage door was,
and so that was really the thing that almost tripped
me up. But I had a huge lead at the beginning.
It was just trying to see the number it was

(43:31):
where she was able to catch up. It took me
like ten minutes or fifteen minutes even just to get
the numbers. Yeah, so that was so stressful because I like,
I was like, oh my god, I'm doing so well,
I might win this and then I'm I just get
stuck at this part, and so that was that was
a little scary, but it was it was cool too.
I mean, you know, even Tori was telling me before
this challenge because I was obviously nervous, and she was like,

(43:53):
this is like one of the best feelings you can
have in the game is going to a delicic and
coming out of it. And yeah, so you know, obviously
winning now was incredible and it was such a good
feeling because I was like, you know, I don't want
to go home and I'm not ready to go and
I want to be able to prove myself and so
to be able to do that and to win my
personal nation was really amazing. And so as much as

(44:13):
it was, like as difficult as the challenge was, and
as much as I was beat up afterwards and had
to like nurse my wounds for a little bit, it
was it was really empowering too, and it made me
more confident going forward in the game. So that was cool. Yeah,
But I did kind of get myself into a little
bit of trouble because I well because I at the

(44:34):
beginning TJ asked me like, why do you think you're here?
And he actually has the Green team give a little
speech about why I each of us are they voted
us in? And I didn't really I felt like the
speech that west Gay was like not necessarily the full truth.
So I kind of had a moment where I like
called him out and I like, just like Sati the Sand,
like called to us out and said he was like
making deals with everybody. He's making people swear on stuff

(44:57):
and like all of these things. And it ended up
being like want to take a fight, but a little
bit of a back and forth, And so I left
that and I was proud of myself for sticking up
for again against what I thought was like, you know,
I mean, he was a big player, and it was
probably stupid of me, honestly to like call him out
like that and make such a big enemy. It's so
early in the game. But I was just like, I

(45:18):
might go home right now, So I'm gonna. I'm just gonna.
And I also went into the show being like, I
don't want to hold back, like I want to take risks,
I want to say the things I want to say.
I want to fully, like just experience this and as
authentically of a way as possible and not hold back
because I felt like I had done that in some
ways and Survivor, and so I was like, I'm just

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gonna take everywhere said can' I'm gonna do whatever. I
don't care. I'm just gonna fucking do what I want
to do.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Well, I was there, I witnessed it. I thought it
was awesome.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
I had the.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Possible like it was a good speech.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Yeah, it was a good speech. And I'm not always
most eloquent speaker, So I was proud of of what
I said and I was hoping it would get shown.
But but like what I'm what I'm trying to get
is just that, Yeah, I left this elimination feeling amazing,
feeling like elated and powered, excited, but at the same time,
I'm like, Okay, I don't regret this thing that I

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did calling out West, but now I've I've affirmed this
enemy and the game, and I'm gonna have to, you know,
deal with this for as long as we're both still
in the game. So I was also like, Okay, gotta
forgot how to do some damage control because I didn't
regret it, but I knew that now I'm going to
have a big enemy and have to be careful navigating this.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yes, it created a vulnerability, and we saw even before
we got to the elimination, we saw just sort of
your eye or towards Wes when you yelled that he
could not win the Bachelor competition that was being held
on the night out. Whose idea was it to even
have a bachelor Do you guys know who started that?

Speaker 1 (46:53):
To have a bachelor competition?

Speaker 4 (46:55):
I feel like it was mine.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
It sounds that sounds that trax.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I feel that's head on you, But good on you,
because that's funny.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
It was so.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Funny and I actually I don't want to take full
credit because I don't actually remember.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
It was a fun night. But we made them do
dance moves. Everybody did their own dancing stop.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
But the only one who had good answers was Monty
as a resident matchmaker, that's my real job, folks. For
those who don't know, Monty was the only one with
non red flag answers right, which is at least that
we saw, which is, I'm a good communicator, you know,
I'm a good lover.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I'm thoughtful.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Bessie thrown out his credit score, which we'd have to
fact check anywhere in his bank account, and everybody getting
excited that is not a green flag necessarily fly.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
And then Wes saying that he should that.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
He's not good enough or not worthy was so classic Wes,
I feel like, and then chaosity comes in, being like, no,
he should not win.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
He can know.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
I don't fall for Wes's shit, why I was like,
But also obviously I'm being salty, you know.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
It was also drunk.

Speaker 7 (48:02):
So I think I looked more mad than I actually was.
I don't remember being mad about that, but who knows.
Did seem a little like.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
You never seem tipsy? Yeah, it definitely didn't. You seen
more tipsy that moment.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
And also you had just been voted into elimination like
that was you were nominated?

Speaker 4 (48:17):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
Of course I had a high outfit though I was proud. Yeah,
I was like, this is my last night out, We're
on my gold top.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well it's not, and it wasn't your last night out
because now you come back into the house, you stick
with Blue team.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
What is your plans now going forward from this place?

Speaker 7 (48:35):
Oh? Man? So obviously I have some just work to
do because people who I thought might have my back,
who I thought I could work with a little bit longer,
people like Monty and Tyler now have turns on me.
I made, you know, West had made an menemy out
of me, that I made an enemy out of him.
So now it's like it's it's easy for us to

(48:59):
just go after each other. So now I have another
person on my back who's good at convincing people of
things I might add, who is a dangerous player to
have against you. So now I'm like, Okay, I need
to figure out how to manage this and how to
just watch my back and how can I just how
can we win as a team, because really that's the
that's my best hope right now, because just something that

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I had noticed and that I feel like I had
seen other seasons of the challenge is that when you
get thrown in by people, it's it's easy for them
to just keep throwing you in because, like West said,
I made this enemy of this person, so now we're
just going to go after her again, and so it
becomes like, you know, once you get thrown in once,
like you can easily become the scapegoat er, the target

(49:42):
over and over against people don't have to make new enemies,
and so I'm like, I got to figure out how
to make sure that doesn't happen. That I'm not going
to be this person like Chris is starting to get
thrown in over and over right, and I don't want
to be that person. I don't have to keep fighting
for my life. I don't know how many times I
can survive this. You know, that was already such a
tough elimination. So my most important you know, obviously the

(50:03):
most important thing in me was winning because that's the
only thing that's gonna keep me safe at this point.
But then I'm just having to do some damage control
and take a look at my alliance to see if
there's any bridges that can be repaired with some of
the people that turned on me, and just try to
strengthen others and do my best to just yeah, have
people on my side and keep building the relationships I
am building because you know, I was building relationships with

(50:23):
other people outside of the Survivor group, you know, with
people like Tori and with people like Josh. And you know,
I love Dusty and I was getting closed to him,
but he was a wild card. I wasn't trying. I
could trust him, but you know, just still trying to
like build on these sleep.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
So innocent except for the same peak we see coming
up for next week. But he, I mean, he wrote
a love letter to Bananas last week and he just
seemed so like I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Even with the name like Dusty, he just seemed like
he just seems so like a sweetheart.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
And then they showed a clip for next week and
I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
Now, Yeah, to think about funny is.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
He he's like a puppy until he's a dragon.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And I say that with the most respect because I
love everything wow Dusty.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
I love I love how raw of a person he is.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
And when he gets competitive, he just turns into a dragon.
That's it. You know, he doesn't mean to harm he doesn't.
He's just he's just interesting.

Speaker 7 (51:19):
It's like a whole kind of thing where it's like
once you get out, like yeah, this whole this whole other.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, yeah, intriguing.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
To see that he's ficy when he wants to be,
and it's it's actually like he's one of the most
entertaining people that I've ever met in my life. Like
I have not stopped laughing since I've met Dusty. He
is just truly one of the funniest I ever met
in my life.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
And who's funny Dusty or Josh?

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Because we saw you, Josh, we were gonna let you
leave here without talking about you and Josh ca noodling
cupcaking in the hot together.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, there are some noodles cunning, cunning. I don't know
how that but yes, no.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
That's mean girls. Yeah. So oh who I think is
funnier between Dusty and Josh. Definitely Dusty, Sorry Josh junny,
But Dusty's like on a different caliber funny like Dusty
and literally just all he does is make you laugh period.
Like with Josh it was different because like, yeah, you
have maing me laugh here and there, and like we

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had a we had like a good banter and everything,
but we also had other conversations, like like deeper conversations
about like just lighting the universe and.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
About dating, huh, kissing any because you guys definitely looked
like there.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Josh admitted there was some flirtation going on.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
I mean, I mean I would say like I am
a very flirty person just in general, and that sometimes
comes off as like I yes, like I am hurting
specifically one person. I just feel like, you know, we yeah,
we maybe have like a little bit of a flirtations energy,
I guess, but it was like we were just I
don't know, like we would just be silly and like

(52:58):
last people and like have like I don't know, we did.
I guess we we had gone to the point where
we're like, let's protect each other. I felt like we
had each other's backs and that's just like that was
just the energy I guess between our like friendship, but
I saw more as a friendship personally, and and so yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Just had to clarify it's the official podcast. We had
to clarify.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
We'll be clarifying Tory uh some more later, I believe,
but but just had to clarify we saw a little
flirting there and just had to get clear on what
was going on. For those who want to get clear
on what's going on in your life, casside and follow
you on social media?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Where can they do so?

Speaker 7 (53:36):
Yes, So I have an Instagram account. It's it's that
weird account, an Instagram account, and it's kind of a
weird one, but it's Khalisi. I used to have like
white one hair and I love to gam my Throne.
So my Instagram is at Khalisi. It's C A H
L E E S I.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
And then I have a.

Speaker 7 (53:58):
Twitter it's I think capacity oh gosh, oh it's well.
I think it's like cast Michelle with three e's and
a three. I think if you just type my name
and you can find me. But I don't really use
tweeter that much anyways. I mostly am on Instagram and
that's pretty much it. I have a cameo if anybody

(54:19):
wants to find me on there. But I'm mostly I'm
really bad at social media, actually, like I should get
better at it. I'm trying to post more, I'm trying
to cluele more in my life. I just yeah, I'm
not the best, but that's really the main forma that
I use.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Don't worry, it's it's all good, sis, And I, as
somebody who's lived with you, I just want to say
that even if people decide to follow you on Instagram,
it's worth it because you are such a sweetheart and
I love how good you are at art. That's something
that Cassidy doesn't get a lot of recognition for because, like,
we don't talk about it on the challenge, but she
made all of her own clothes.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
She always loves the.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Most wow, okay, a lot of them, a lot of them,
and I rated her closet every single night we went out,
I mean, like.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
To that's a amazing Yes, she's incredibly talented.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
So cass I hope that you really do start posting
some of your work and hopefully open up an Etsy
shop so I can just start buying your clothes and
don't have to keep borrowing them from you.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
But definitely follow Cassidy because.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
She's She's a super sweetheart and a light in the
game for sure, and I think that there's going to
be a lot of power coming from her the rest
of the season.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
So I'm excited to watch.

Speaker 7 (55:21):
It, thank you.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
So I'm excited to watch too.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Thank you so much Cassidy for sharing your story and
sharing some behind the scenes on the Challenge, and welcome
to the crazy, chaotic family that is the Challenge.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
So glad to have you on board.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
And it's been great watching what you've done so far
and cannot wait to continue, especially since Chaosity's coming. I've
got the popcorn ready excited to see what happens next week.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
I hit her pretty well in Survivor, but she's in
there for sure, and she's yeah, it's been great. I'm
super excited to be a of this now. Obviously I
said I hadn't really watched the Challenge since high school,
but just playing this, like playing the Challenge, gave me
such a renewed love for it. Like I knew that
I knew I loved it back in the day, but

(56:10):
now I just I love it so much more. And
I'm so honored and grateful to be a part of this,
and I'm really excited to see, you know, what happens
for the rest of the season. I'm I'm grateful for TJ,
for the producers for the whole cast. They're amazing, and
I'm just lucky to have been able to meet everybody
and build these relationships. So I'm yeah, I'm excited. Thank
you so much for having me.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Thanks, thank you bye.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Oh my gosh, that was such a great interview, so
much insight from the first rookie rookie we've had on
this season on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Ye loved chatting with Cassidy so glad she came by, toy.
How are you feeling? How's your social media feeling? Where
can they find you on social media?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You guys can find me at Tory Underscore deal on Instagram,
And honestly, I just be happier if you listen to
us here. You know, it just makes me feel so
good to know that you guys care about what we
think about the episode and you share this experience with us.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Devin, where can they follow you?

Speaker 3 (57:15):
That is so sweet? Go to my website, I like
the hits. You can go to Devin Simone. That's devn
withthewysimone with an I dot com. No, I really do
appreciate you guys being here too. You can also find
me on Instagram at Devin Simone, TikTok at Devin Simone.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I'm most active on ig.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
So come on over say hi, and then Amazon we'll
be doing we Do Lives and shout out. I'm trying
to get toy to come on to one. But if
you just google Amazon and Devin Simone, you'll see my
channel or my store. It's called Devin Simone's Gift Closet.
You can see some of my favorites there. But just
click the follow button and then we do Lives. You'll
get a notification and you can chat with us. So

(57:54):
we interact and say hi, and we've had a lot
of Challenge fans. They're sort of in the chat with
us as we're doing live video. It's fun, so make
sure you check that out. And then, of course, if
you liked this episode, please rate and review it on
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(58:16):
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Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yes, And then make sure you catch new episodes of
The Challenge USA airing on CBS and PS.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
There's another episode airing this

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Week, Amazing, and we'll see you back here right after
for a brand new episode of MTV's Official Challenge podcast Chaosity,