True Lies w/ Kam & Leroy

Tori and Aneesa are joined by everyone's favorite Challenge power couple, Kam and Leroy, to discuss the final elimination before the final, TJ's early morning visit to the house, and their jaw-dropping political moves from this week's episode.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up everyone. I'm Tor and I'm Anissa, and this
is MTV's official Challenge podcast where we go behind the
scenes of the Challenge double Agents. Now, before we begin,
make sure you're up to date on the latest episodes, folks,
because there are spoilers ahead. We are going to get
into everything from this week's episode, starting from that early
morning surprise challenge to a political play for the Ages

(00:23):
to that devastating elimination. And since we're talking politics, we
figured we should be talking to the experts, so later
in the episode, we will be interviewing none other than
Cam and leroy Ah. We've been waiting to get them
on the show, so I'm so excited. Anissa, should we
get started. Let's go, babe, Okay, Ben? All right, Tory.

(00:47):
This is our favorite favorite segment, safe House where I
try and tell what goes on in thirty six seconds,
and I usually go over time or really suck at it.
So I'm gonna let you start. Put this thirties. There's
thirty six second recap in honor of being the thirty
sixth season. Okay, are you ready? Nope, We're gonna do

(01:08):
it though in three two one. Good morning, everybody, teaches
at the house. Wakey, wakey, eggs and baky. That's right.
Everybody gets out. They're looking crazy. Corey especially looking crazy.
He kind of looking cute though. We got to give
him a little bit of credit where credit and is due.
Everybody arrives there, they decide that the boys are gonna
go first. Chivalry isn't dead, Ladies and gentlemen, we saw
that this episode. They go into volcano and then what happens?
Cam gives Leroy a sandwich amazing. After they get there

(01:33):
to volcano, we find out that they get locked in
the bottom and now the girls have to compete. They
have to solve a lot of math equations. So let's
be real. If I was there, am bbb amber bb,
I would be set to see something you ever be,
don't worry a girl. Math is not my strong so either.
Then everybody gets back to the house. You're done, babebe
it would it would be be so hard? Okay a

(01:58):
Nissa right? You ready? Yep? Three? Two? What go? TJ
shows up at the house and he wakes everybody up.
Cam does make Lee Roy sandwich. The girls decided the
guys are gonna go because they take him one partner
and not both partners. Then they put the guys underground
five hundred feet down into a volcano. The girls have
to run five miles to save the guys and then

(02:19):
solve a series of math questions that clearly um Tory
couldn't do. Then Amberby stuck there for the whole entire challenge.
Oh poor Fessie, you didn't get to do anything. Nobody cares. Okay,
and then you know who wins, my baby, Cory and
Cam killing it. They get back to the house, they
make a deal with Kyle that doesn't really work out.
Then Fessie writes a letter. I don't know why he

(02:40):
did that either. Then he reads do do do done? Okay,
that was good. You definitely beat me on that one.
I give you the win. I think it's when I
go first, you always out thirty six second me. Yeah,
the first person has a baby. I also can't I
can't talk or do you? Oh god, that was good.

(03:02):
Well let's just get dive right in because I want
to talk about the play of the day, the best
athletic move, which was Cam cutting the cressaging that sandwich,
cutting the crush for Leo before he went off into battle. Yo, baby,
you want me to cut this cross for you. No,
I'm Goodney. No. Not only did she make the sandwich,
she went out and she dominated that challenge like Cam was.

(03:22):
I mean she literally was like, um, Corey, keep up, Corey,
come on, Yeah, Like I want to know what this
is someone who's never played a sport before. She's just
built for this. She's built for She's bizarre, she's built different,
she is she this this episode she dom I mean
she dominated this entire season and pretty much every she dominated,

(03:43):
This dominated this. It was a Cam victory. I know.
Corey's like, yeah, I finally feel like we're peaking at
the right time. Bro. You're peeking because you got a
good ass partner right now, right Cam has just been
on the peak waiting. Yeah, She's like crushed this shit. Man,
it was amazing. What do you think was the dirtiest
deed though? You know what it was? Well? I know too,

(04:09):
when Fessie then shit on every single partner while he
was stuck down in a volcano not doing shit. Yeah,
that was pretty dirty. That was a little dirty, but
the dirtiest I mean shaking hands with Kyle ultimately throwing
his cute little butt in there. That was hard to watch,
and like, you know, we're gonna have the opportunity to
talk to Cam and Leroy and really like find out

(04:31):
more so, I don't want to sit over here and
like make assumptions before we figure out what really went down.
But I can say it was totally hard to watch that.
That was not the elimination I wanted to see. That
broke my heart. Yeah, but it would have broke my
heart too to see them throwing Corey, who has been
nothing but nice, who's had only his friends lie to him,
Like yeah, I just think it's a good dude. I

(04:52):
think I know what they wanted to see, and it
would have once again been great for TV. Yeah, but
I think that their integrity kind of popped up to like, oh,
do we really want to do this? I also think
that as well, as you know, Cam and Cam and
Corey have been working together, maybe they want to stick
together and maybe she didn't want to risk losing their partner.

(05:13):
But we will know, like you said, until we talk
to them. Yeah, well, let's just dive in right to
the challenge. Because the challenge was called Escape the Volcano.
The guys got picked up early, Anissa, we are we
are smarter than them, because let's be real, if they
were going to come pick somebody early, the last time
they did that on a challenge for me, they buried
my partner. So I know for a fact that the
person who doesn't go early is the one doing the work. Like, yeah,

(05:36):
I would have been in that volcano, Like can't say me, yes, same,
I would have went. If TJ comes to the house
and says, Dami a partner, I'm going because you're not
doing anything. You're waiting for your partner to come, and
they probably have to do some strenuous activity, whether it
be mentally strenuous or whether it be physically strenuous to
get me out of where I at. I mean, they
said it was five miles. Do you think it was
five miles there and five miles back? I think it

(05:58):
might have been five miles total. I think it was
five kilometers. It could have been miles, but in my mind,
I'm like, nah, I think it was five kilometers. It
didn't look like it was five miles. Then again, they
don't show everything, so we're gonna have to like, we're
gonna have to talk to somebody who was really doing
this and we're gonna have that opportunity, so I'm not
too worried about it. But can we talk about Amber
on this math equation? Yeah? And he said, I know
that you're good at math. Okay, so I know that

(06:20):
it must have been hard for you to watch that,
but I want you to know I felt for Amber
being that moment because I've been there. Wait, I mean
it was also hard to watch because she was struggling.
It's not because I mean, listen, just because it's like trivia.
We can do it on land and not above water.
It's just like math when you're it's it's freezing in Iceland.
Mind you, it's snowing. If no one saw, and she's

(06:43):
cold and frazzled and have to run and you have,
you know, FESSI waiting on the other side. I think
there was just a lot of pressure and a lot Yeah,
and it was her first it was her first season,
like my first season. I remember going up in a
final and this obviously isn't the final, but you're very
close to it. I remember going up in a final
against people who have done seasons of this, being like

(07:03):
I am the runt of the litter. I am the
one that is probably gonna curry no Tory. That doesn't
help because on total madness, you couldn't do math either,
so crush. Yeah, but I'm saying, okay, I'm saying I'm saying,
add both. I'm saying add both. Add the not being
able to do math to the fact that you're a rookie,
and then you really got a lot of pressure. It's

(07:25):
two it's two loads of poopoo. Yeah it is. It is.
But listen, you tried and that's what matters. And Amber,
you tried. I'm sorry it didn't work out for you.
It did look quite difficult and it looks disheartening like
you're sitting there. Yeah everyone's gone. You know, you just
want to be at a part of it. And I

(07:45):
know what it feels like, and I'm sure it sucked
in that moment. So I feel for you, Amber, B.
Math is not fun. Yeah, it's not. But we got
to give it up to camp because she crushed that
we already talked about to talk about it again. She
crushed everything she well up to that thing. I think
she sneezed to the equation out and then she kept going.
I didn't understand how it happened, So quick. I'm like,

(08:06):
she must have tiny bacteria working in her ears, telling
her where do you where do you hire hire these mathematicians?
Bacteria that exists in your brain? She also was working
on mathilot this season. I know that we had our
little math books and stuff, so hurringly, where were spitting?
Spitting equations left and right? So she is just locked in. Yeah,

(08:27):
she really is. Also got to give it up for
Nannie because she did really well this challenge. Yeah, Nanni
was out, Nanni was gone. Casey was trying to keep
up with Nanny. Nanni was doing that math too. Shout
out to Nannie, way to calculate, Yeah, girl, always wait
to fucking multiply. Non, it was awesome. So then we

(08:50):
get to all the guys, what do you think about? Like,
what how was that for you? Watching Festy talk shit
in the in the volcano? I was like, Fessy, that's
why are you sitting there fucking just with your briefcase
chained with nobody on a rock in a volcano. That's
what you get sit there talk about everybody helped me back.
The only challenges you won were with me, Well, the

(09:14):
only one you won, like because I beat you the
first one but was with me. But you know, it's
like instant karma. Instant karma, that's for sure. Yeah. Then
we get up to this point now where Cam and
Corey have a lot of power and Kyle's feeling a
lot of the heat in that in the house. He
knows that the numbers are going towards him. Leroy is

(09:36):
obviously very paranoid at this point in the game, and
he cuts the deal with Kyle. Cam cuts through. She
comes and sees this deal, and you could just see
that she's kind of uncomfortable during the entire process. Even
when he was like, shake my hand, she was like
you could see that she didn't do it right away,
Like she was like, what's going on here? So I
think she kind of got thrown into that mess a
little bit. Yeah, and then obviously like everyone's trying to

(09:58):
like figure out what to do, and then Fessie pulls
out this note. I would like to say that I'm
amazing at everything, and I'm sorry that everybody thought that
I was being arrogant by saying that, but I really
am good. In order for me to get Casey as
a partner, I have to throw myself into elimination and
beat everyone. I think that he was trying to be genuine,

(10:22):
I really do, but I think that he doesn't understand
how like I think he was trying to come off genuine.
That's what I'm saying. He wasn't trying to be genuine.
Who's trying to appear genuine to people? Which is why
I think he wanted to write it, because he wrote
down like the best things to say, even though he
didn't read it very well, Like he just gave everybody
compliments on the way out was but he just said
that he didn't need to write it down. And you

(10:42):
know what, some people need to write it. You know what,
I'll give him. Some people need to write things down,
listen for effort, you know, like, well whatever my thing,
my thing is. And like hear me out with all this,
he decides he wants to throw himself down there because
he wants to get Casey as a partner, because Corey
did some magician work by convincing him to go into elimination,
which was pretty amazing. So Corey feeds his ego. That's

(11:05):
exactly how you get Fessy to do what you want
him to do, by making him believe it's number one
his idea, and he's gonna look glorified if he does this.
So Corey, Corey really should get a dirty deed point
on this too. So he does this, and then he
decides that he's gonna go fight for Casey. But hold on,
can we just backtrack for a second. I'm not saying
Casey's not amazing. She is absolutely, absolutely amazing. But Casey

(11:28):
and amberbe like, neither one of them were stellar at
the math. And if you're that person's partner in a final,
as long as you're good at math, you'll probably be
okay because you just need one person who's good at math.
FESSI claims to be amazing at math. So it's like, you,
why are you worried so bad about being Casey's partner

(11:48):
if if she wasn't that good at math? I don't know,
do you see what I'm saying here? Right? He? I
think he thinks, like just looking at her, she's you know,
thinner and stronger and like she can run, and he
know they've done one challenge together before, so clearly she's
the best. Yeah. Yeah, well you know what, he gets
his way, He gets everyone to throw him in and

(12:09):
then obviously we're at the elimination, and I mean, did
you think that Cam was gonna throw in Kyle or
did you think she was going to throw in Corey?
I mean the minute after Cam was like you know what,
Corey did, try to look out for my man. I
think she was like, this ain't going to happen. Yeah,
it's hard to be up there with your partner and

(12:31):
to like, because you feel connected to somebody when you're
their partner, you want to root for them. And I
think that's something else that the viewers aren't really getting
this season, is like you hear people talking shit on
their partners in interviews and shit like that, but you
rarely get that acknowledgement from your partner when you're working
with them. And that's why so many people are having
problems with Essie because he's talking badly about his partners
behind their backs. So it's like, when you're with your partner,

(12:53):
you do develop this bond with them and you look
at them and you're like, okay, right now, you're my
other half and we got to figure this shit out
right right. And that's how I to play with every
single partner I had, especially I mean, I love Kyle,
so you know I wanted to play with him because
I knew there was no quit in there, as you
could see in the haulbrawl, ready to go again after
a broken finger. I mean, god, that was so hard

(13:15):
to watch. He gets hurt every time too, like he
got hurt before where he tore like something in his calf.
I mean, the guy doesn't care about his physical wellbeing,
but none of us do. I mean, you've seen it firsthand,
like running into death, knocking on desktoor running into a
pit of fire breaking something and then still being like,

(13:36):
oh it's okayl I sit like I'll be all right.
You could tell Kyle really wanted to be a part
of it, and that broke my heart. And Fessie was
just an animal. So I think maybe we should do
a gentle haulbraw, like you know, with bumpers or something
like bowling for those that aren't like pull bowlers yet
put like some I don't know, maybe maybe wrap them
in sumo suits and have them run down a wider hall.

(13:57):
Or we can do a crawl brawl where everybody has
to crap crawl through through through the hall and then
you don't actually have to kill each other. Because I
personally This is the second time we've seen FESSI to
a hall brawl, and obviously I threw him in the
first one. I feel really bad about it. But obviously
I don't want to see him in another one because
I don't want to see him hurt anybody. And it's
not his fault that he's so big and massive, but like,

(14:21):
it's scary. I don't want to see like these guys
go up against him and get slaughtered. Yeah, it's never
fun when somebody gets hurt. No, it's different if it's
like a bruise or a bump or a black guy,
like something you can come back from. But when they're
so close to the final, so close to the final,
I mean, Kyle would have done it with one arm. God,
And you know it's so crazy. I'm such a freaking hypocrite.

(14:42):
I'm over here saying like, ah, someone got hurt, and
like earlier this season, I hurt live and like you
see that interview of me being like I don't care,
so I like the competitive side of me does have
no heart. But then like obviously watching as a viewer,
you can see how hard it is for somebody when
you watch it from the overall perspective of every Yeah,
well watch you cover your face. I mean we both
put our hands up on our heads, like I don't

(15:03):
know if I really want to watch, Like I put
my hands up on my head just so I could
put glasses on like blinders for some of it see him.
I don't know what else can see him, but I'm
putting the hands over my eyes when I can because
it is something that you don't. It's just painful. So yeah,
it's just crazy, crazy episode. Well, Fessi gets what he wants.

(15:25):
Unfortunately he beats Kyle. Shout out to Kyle, we love you.
That was so hard to watch, homie, sending you all
the love in the world, love and healing, love and
healing and thriving love, healing and thriving, and congrats on
your new baby. And now we're back at this point
where Fessi gets to pick a partner. He picks Casey
what he wanted, chitzing in his pants, full jiz factory,

(15:46):
so happy. We Roy chooses Nannie, which I think is awesome.
So Leonard just says the sweetest shit. Whether he means
it or not, it's just sweet. I think he means
it with her. And then you got CT and Amber B.
This brand new team we don't know what capable of
and I don't know what to expect from them. So
the next episode, being a final, it's going to be really, really,

(16:07):
really interested to see how these teams were together, because
this is the first time you see three new teams
working together somewhere. I mean, Fessie and Casey were together,
but that was in that same challenge where you're the
reason why I felt too, So we're gonna just knock
that one out. But watching these teams like really work
together and see how they do over probably two gruesome days.

(16:33):
I am so excited for this final. This season has
been insane. It was insane to be a part of.
It's insane to watch as a viewer. It's amazing, it's
so exciting. There's always like a left turn somewhere, something
you didn't expect. And now we have four teams, all
of them got golds, goals solidified, no more changing partners

(16:53):
for now, for what we know, and now everyone's going
to the final and everybody, everybody earned their right to
be there, you know. And it is weird watching it
as a viewer, but there's some I can like breathe
now that I'm not on it and I can watch
and just watch these people with like, oh my buddies
are playing a game still like it's more enjoyable and

(17:15):
less stressful to watch it now. So good luck to
the final eight and we'll see how that works out.
Let's get into our next segment because we are so
excited for these next guests. We'll be interviewing everyone's favorite
couple and favorite badass Challengers, Cam and Lee right after
this short break. All right, guys, well, we are so excited.

(17:43):
We have been waiting for these two to be on
the podcast the entire season because they are not only
running the show, they are the cutest couple probably to
ever Grace Challenge history. So let's welcome Lee Royan Cam.
What's up, guys. How are you guys doing? How you
guys feel after this last episode? Because I mean, you
guys murdered it. What's going on? Clear? Babe? You go ahead?

(18:09):
I mean we're going to the final I'm excited about that.
I've been working hard all season, even off seasons, prepared
for this moment. So I'm excited man for this to
be my last season to go into the final playing
such a good game. I'm excited about it. And Cam,
what about you? Because you, I mean like you dominated
that last challenge going into it, So what was it like?
Oh my gosh, me and Corey killed it. We weren't

(18:31):
so high because I just felt like, okay, the way
that these teams are said, I felt so confident and
I feel like you want to win the last challenge
before a final because I'm just like, Okay, all the
challenge just before this did not matter. We're going into
this with the right momentum. So Corey and I were
feeling really good right now. You give Corey a lot

(18:53):
of credit because he sat his ass in that volcano
and you were running along. Hold on. Me and Nissa
were dying because you're the one saying, come on, Corey,
keep running, Like when's he's slowing down with the run?
When you guys said, you're like, what was going on?
You like, this is the final, think of the final.
You're not gonna run like that in the final. I'm like,
that's just how I am with my partners, and I think, um,

(19:14):
you know, I've had a few partners this season, but
I think Corey and I were pretty compatible because he
allows me to take the lead. And y'all both know,
well all of y'all know that usually we are playing
in a very male dominated game, so you run very
few and far in between men that can allow a
woman to take the lead. So the fact that Corey
was just like, look Herrett, you do it. You set

(19:34):
the pace, you do the puzzle. I'm like, that's all
I mean, that's all I want to hear. Thank you,
Thank you, left camp. Everyone wanted you to lead this season.
Everyone wanted you to take the lead, to yell at them,
to control everything for them. Everybody wanted Cam. That's what
my life is like, all right, okay, everything is actually

(19:56):
I love it. I love it as you can take
the lead. Bay, that's less for me to do. I
was chilling, like speaking of the two of you. I
love how it starts out. You guys are all romantic
in the little hot tub that finally got the temperature right,
sitting there giving each other smooches and kind of like
reflecting on the season and on your life. What was

(20:19):
it like the season to actually like work together and
be successful like politically and athletically. It felt really good
because for me, I started my challenge journey with Leroy
right there by my side and with him being my
number one supporter, like like and this is the first
time that we met, you know, so it was really

(20:39):
cool that I was here with him being his number
one supporter for while he is on his way out
of the game. So everything essentially went in a full circle.
You know. We've been through ups, downs and it's like
what we made it here and going into this season,
I was the only one that knew that he was retiring.
So I'm just like, Okay, it's a lot of pressure.
You you have to win this one, like we are.

(21:02):
We're gonna put our all into this, Like you know,
this is his last season. I'm like, I'm sure that
I'll be back, but I wanted him to win even
more than myself because I know that he is serious
when he says that he isn't gonna come back. So
I'm like, Okay, we have to play smart, we have
to work in over time, and you know we are.
We're gonna do the best move every single time. I'm

(21:24):
happy he's retiring because I was going to come for
his ass next time. I know. I love Leroy. I
wanted him to win too. I mean I, you know,
clearly wanted to be there. But you know, Leroy, I've
known you for forever and I've always wanted the best.
I mean, you've never been an asshole. You've always been like,
you know, the funny guy in the house and people

(21:45):
don't even know how funny you are. But like a
house without you as a boring house. So I wanted
that for you. And you know what I said in
the beginning, like, you know, I want our people to
be in that thing. You did a lot, you really did,
and and I'm like, baby, people are gonna be mad
at me when I come back. You got like he was.
He was doing things and you know, going in on people,

(22:06):
and I was just like, maybe they're not gonna forget
it when when I do. But uh, this is the
first season why actually has power and control. So even
after getting a little taste of that, I really didn't
like it to where I had to, um be all
paranoid and make these crazy decisions. You know, even when
it shows the thing with Kyle that never was directed

(22:29):
at him personally, I really thought that Corey was trying
to play me behind my back. Is him and Fessie
were so close it was just kind of me. But yeah,
when you have power and you could vote people in
or you could sway people's decisions, it uh, it isn't
isn't a good feeling for me. Some people are okay
with us. Some people are okay with lying and people

(22:51):
or backstabbing them and saying it's just the game. And
it's just like so many people aren't kind of close
to you know. So um, that situation that happened with
Kyle actually, like it bothered me, and it hurt me
because I'm like, damn, and I don't want to do
to think that I really was trying to play him,
or even with the Corey situation, you know what I mean,
because you build these type of friendships with people on
it off the show. So for myself, it's always been

(23:12):
very hard for me to do something like that. And
then if it's let's say, if I was going to
decide to stay do with challenges and it would it
wouldn't be fun for me anymore because it's just like
now I got to go there. I constantly watching my
back or people feel some type of way about me,
and if you show them that, that's what you become.
You become a person who's a liar, where you become
a person who is a backstabber. So this is a

(23:35):
perfect time and for me to get out of the game.
I didn't come into the game thinking I was going
to try to stab people in the background, a lot
of them. But sometimes you get so caught up in
whatever's going on to try to get that money. That's
what happens. And yeah, that's what I don't have to
do it no more. Yeah I get that, but you know,
I also feel like this game, and like we all know,
we've all been in it, things move so quickly. So politically,
you can make a deal with somebody and then all

(23:55):
the second you'll realize like, oh no, somebody else has
had a new conversation years. So the game is of
all so quickly politically, And like Cam when you walked
through to Leroy, and Leroy was like all right, yeah,
you know, shakes like crack of dawn. You guys are
sitting down there, everyone's just waking up. You're about to
shake his hand, but you can see that look on
your face that you were like, what the fuck is
going on over here? Oh my god. I remember telling
Leroy the night before, you know, because just how I'm like, Babe,

(24:19):
we need to sleep on this. I need to see
what kind of vibe I get in the morning when
I wake up. Mind you, the night before I didn't
realize that Corey was in Bessie's air the entire night,
just kind of like really pushing and nudging him to
go in that night before Babe, which also showed in
the episode. Casey was also telling Bessie, hey, throw yourself

(24:39):
in and come pick me, just you know, come come
get me, which I think almost kind of planned to see,
but he didn't buy it before. He is the one
that was really like, hey, throw yourself down. You know,
you talk big, go do it. So like the thing
is sometimes in the challenge, as y'all know, like things
can change within the matter of seconds and minutes. So
I slept on it, woke up up, and in the

(25:00):
morning he's over there cutting deals without me, and usually
we don't let deals without telling each other. Um. And
while he's doing that, I'm talking to Korey, and Korey
is like, damn, I did it, you know, like Bessie.
Bessie told me what he's gonna you get up like
Bessie's gonna throw himself in and then I'm just like,
what the heck am I walking into? But ultimately it

(25:20):
was anything that was gonna keep him out of there
I was willing to do. But if, honestly, if Corey
did not do what he did and convinced Bessie to
make himself the house vote, I would have absolutely throw
like throwing Corey in because it's like you might like,
as partners, the only thing you got, like I will
help us get the damn win, Like just like how
I made sure that you were saying, I'll help us

(25:41):
do that. That's what I'm here for. But you gotta
make sure my number one guy, which is Leroy, is
also yours. So he did what he had to do,
So it's no way I was gonna feel comfortable doing
that to Chorey's no way, Like he was so proud
and happy to tell me camp yeah, or Bessie is
gonna get off fig you didn't. He's like yeah, kim him.
I was talking to him all night like he was

(26:02):
so happy and proud of that moment to tell me.
So I'm like sorry, Like Kyle has backs, Like Kylie,
weever have a different friendship relationship, But Kyle has backstabbed
me every single season that I've ever been on with him,
all the way back to my first one to the
most recent one that I've done with him. So with Kyle,
like I don't owe him any loyalty of anything. It's like,
finally got you back. It hurt, didn't it even know that?

(26:23):
But I didn't really like I felt bad because I
shook on it um, but I felt like I was
kind of forced to sorry. Man, I think you made
the right decision in the end. I mean, Corey is
a good dude, and I think Corey got the shitty
end of the stick friendship wise, and he didn't trust anybody.
And I think his way of showing you now he

(26:45):
was partnered with you was like, listen, I'm gonna I'm
gonna look out for le Roy because he didn't want
to like shake shit up. He was like, no, Fessie,
get your ass down there, you know. And I don't.
I don't mind that, but for le Roy, I want
to know, like, you worked with Cacy the whole season.
You guys have won five dailies already, and now she's like, yeah,
so Fessy, throw yourself in and pick me, Like so

(27:09):
did she lose. Did she lose the challenge on purpose?
Is the question? No. I know Cam killed it, but
I've never seen I mean, Casey could run too, So
wasn't she bad at math? Madness until I always been
bad at math. But I feel like in the running
part she could have caught up. She would have been
able to catch up to Casey. And I do remember
CT before the challenge kept saying, and you know, putting

(27:31):
in all the girls head, it's not a bad thing.
If you don't win this one, it's not a bad
I'm still up for grabs. I'm still up for grabs.
So because if you know, all the girls took off,
amber B was the one that was in front, because
all of us was just like, look, let's just stay
at the same pace. Amber B she kind of took
off sprinting, and then we were just like she needed

(27:51):
that extra time because she wasn't getting the door. I'm
actually having a fucking moment here. If you're telling me
you think Casey through that, it fuck, it makes total sense.
She probably did. Yeah, Sosie could think her, oh yeah,
that's it together. And that's that's why I was so

(28:11):
mad towards the end, because when it when it always
coming for a circle, I thought that like Cory and
everybody was on it, right, I'm like everybody, you know,
because I had been winning and everybody was pissed. So
I'm thinking, like, damn, man, Casey, because this is my thing.
Casey wouldn't even vote for uh, She's like, she wouldn't
vote for Kyle somebody. She wouldn't be something. And I
was like, I'm like, damn, I'm being your partner all season,

(28:34):
and so you wouldn't make Kyle the house vote because
we would have thrown against Kyle, thrown Fessi and im.
And I've never known from what I hear that I
didn't know her and Fessi were that cool. So I was.
I was so upset by it. And then I would
always see Corey with Fessie like buddy buddy all season
after Nelson left, and I didn't something about it just

(28:54):
rubbed me the wrong way, and um, so I did.
I wasn't sure if I could trust him, and so
that's why all that came into play, like Okay, my
own partner doesn't want to be with me. Because on
the run, I caught up to Nanni and Kyle and
I was running with the suitcase. If I was running
without that suitcase in my hand, I would have caught
up to everybody. And I know Casey could run just
as fast, because she's proving it. She's fast as shit.

(29:16):
And that was a hell. How long was that run?
It was pretty far for her not to beal with
catch Nanni and I. I've never said nothing to Casey
about it, because it's just like I have the ability
to say, hey, it's the game. So if she was,
if she was, if she decided to end, she had
a better chance to be with FESSI, and she had
to do that. I mean, it sucked, um, But I

(29:39):
don't know if it's true or not. I'm not sure
if that's what happened, but I honestly feel like that's
exactly what happened. Wow, doesn't like smuggle run length. I'm
trying to imagine this. Not even it was about as far.
It was further than what we did for the airplane, right,
and you guys sprinted that in front of me, sprinted that,
and Kyle was trying to run with you two. I

(29:59):
could didn't even catch up. Like, she's fast too, but Casey, definitely,
I don't think she putn't even when you look at
how all the girls took off, she didn't take off
sprinting like she didn't really care about winning that one.
And it was shocking to me because this is the
type of game, um something that you can't take for granted,
which is and Amber Bree brings it up a lot,
talks about how she missus Darrell is that chemistry. That

(30:22):
chemistry is a lot like so I don't think Casey
realizes like how good you have it. You know, y'all
know each other's strengths, weaknesses, y'all how to work as
a partnership. That's why I had the best. I think
it one of the best partnerships there they had. Leroy
and Casey had some of the best chemistry. And the
one time when she was the besting, y'all didn't even
win when he when he stole to hold her up,

(30:45):
he had to hold her up. Ye win. Y'all did
not do good, which means y'all don't have good chemistry.
Y'all don't. I don't know. I just I would have
sucked with Leroy. And it's not because I'm biased because
you're my friend, Leroy, But the way that y'all moved
this season was amazing. Yeah, to watch that, like, you know,
it just kind of worked. It worked. You know, there
wasn't much thought. It just you guys were kind of

(31:07):
like an autopilot. Like I said, if that was her
intentions deep down when it was happening, I was pissed
about it. I'm so excited to be choosing Naty because
I was like, if I'm going to the final, I'd
rather go into the final with somebody who I absolutely trust. Yeah,
So when everything started servicing, well, I thought she lost
on prapers or whatever without even knowing. When I got

(31:28):
a chance to pick Naty, I'm like, this is a
no brainer. I get to be with somebody who's my
family and the finals or whether we want to lose
or not. I was happy with it. So, you know,
it's such to know that now, you know, I watching
it and seeing that she would actually say something like that,
but you know, I don't hold it against her. Yeah,
I kind of want to run it back for a
second because there's just one moment we gave Ken the

(31:49):
play of the day in the beginning of this episode.
For me and Leroy, absolutely, did you fucking mathematician, you mathlete.
We gave her the play day for Mathley and then
also for making leverr in the sandwich before he went
off to battle. It like, baby, you want me to
cut this crust for you? Baby? No, no, I'm straight, no,

(32:10):
I'm straight right, so cute. But I gotta know late
moments when you guys were there and TJ pulls out
to the house early, did you guys think it was
gonna be the final, because sometimes that happened. I was hoping.
I knew it wasn't cut was robed, but true, I
thought it could have possibly been a rogue agent in

(32:30):
the final. Yeah, you run up a lot of different
scenarios you were hoping, And I was just like, I
was hoping that Leroy kept that winning streak up because
I wanted to keep him out of eliminations. Um, like
I knew that we would have really had to work
to keep him out of there, which we did. Yeah,
so you didn't please let this be over? Like please? Yeah?

(32:53):
And then so like when they got to decide which
one was going, so obviously, like the guys decided to go,
and then the girls ended up being the ones that
had to do the work. Which can't put you in
a good spot because you're obviously so strong mathematically and physically,
so it actually gave you an upper hand. But like,
what did you think that they were actually going to
be the ones doing the work or did you have

(33:14):
it in the back of your mind like it could
potentially be us. Honestly, we didn't even care all the girls.
We just woke up. We were tired, all yeah, like
the rest of the girls, they're like, we need to
put some makeup on. It wasn't even on. I'm like,
I ain't going nowhere. Even if all the girls were,
I would have been staying home. But yeah, I think

(33:34):
it was actually Libra and Casey. Libra, you were going
to actually let Casey go down, like you know, go
with everybody, but at last minute, I think she was
just like, all right, I'll just stay with all the girls.
It looks like all the guys are leaving and all
the girls are staying. But that would have definitely gave
whatever guy the upper hand because they would have beat
all of us in the running. In the run, Well,

(33:54):
how long did it take you to actually solve those
math problems, because it looked like a second Um, Yeah,
may be like five seconds, you use your fingers or
anything else, maybe just your brain power and you know what,
I think. You know, I did so good because it
was just me individually. I work better alone. I don't
work good on teams partnerships like I mean, I do,

(34:17):
but I prefer to just work by myself. Like it's
nobody in my ear. I don't got to worry about nothing.
It's just like, okay, let me do my thing. Like so,
I think that's why, Like I've been wanting to work
alone for a minute. So but yeah, it didn't take
me that long. I was like, bae, yeah, no, it
was two set cam. I've never seen anything like it.
I think you should sign up for a math competition.

(34:42):
But it was it could be beginner's math whatever, just
like you are the multiplication. I'm sitting here watching the
episode with Tori, like that's a fraction. She's like, they're
not dividing any so I'm like, oh, that's what that
signing is. Okay, you better come on, I'll try No, no, no, no,
that was me. I was like, sorry, that's a fraction.

(35:04):
I did it in my head. I'm like, that's a fraction.
How does that? How does it and they're multiplying. I
was like, oh good, yeah, we're we're taking notes every
time somebody comes on this podcast. I'm not kidding. We
have a bookful of notes on how to be better
competitors because my ass has been trashed the last two seasons.
So I am now. I have already since watching that episode, Cam,

(35:24):
I have deadloaded downloaded a math Apple on my phone
since watching that, And I have a picture of you
on my wall and I and I look at it
and I do math problems, and That's where I'm at.
Don't no, no, this game, it was just y'all, y'all
social game. Y'all just went in there like we don't
need y'all. It wasn't that. I was just so hype.

(35:45):
I had somebody I had, like my Leroy in the
house with me, Like I had the person that I
trusted more than anybody with me. Usually my social game.
Leroy will tell you, I never pick a side and
never have an alliance. I'm somewhere in the middle, and
it fucks me because people look, well, no, I fuck
a trust her. I'm like, this is my game, though,
this is how I play. I'm friends with everybody. So
when you're friends and everybody are fucked. And if you're

(36:05):
friends with one person named Tory, your phone too, So listen,
I'm a political Nothing I could do to put this everybody.
This isn't about I'm gonna keep hanging out with my
layup friends. This isn't about me anymore. Like we're here
to talk to Cam and Lee Roight. When I talk
about they're much better I'm strategically. I mean, if this
wasn't the gold Skull type of game, if if this

(36:25):
specific season wasn't like it would have been a whole
different set of finalists because it wouldn't listen, my look,
so all the rookies, Yeah, like that's what it would
have been, totally wasn't you know. I'm just curious because
you guys have such a great dynamic. Obviously you're both
so competitive individually, but at the same time, like you
live with each other now, like you have a lot

(36:46):
of Like do you guys get competitive towards each other
like Lee Roy when Cam won this last challenge and dominated.
Is there like a part of you that's like, damn,
I wish that would have been me out there, or
are you just like guys just straight happy for one another.
I mean, I wish it was me because I could
do I could do. I wanted this, I wanted this
specific win to I wanted to win because I knew

(37:07):
that there was gonna be a guy's day. So I'm like,
fuck man. You know, if it was any one of
them to win, it should have been this one. But
her winning anytime they came is I think the whole
towards the end of the season, as we kept being
like first and second place, it was more so like
who would get the most daily wins. It's never but
you know, at home, there's no we don't compete. I'm like,

(37:27):
I want to see you win. And when I come
on my mom, I'm always talking about my barberin when
I got going on there, she's always talking about her
wig company, So I'm like, hey, babe, how's your company?
Are you winning? So it isn't it's not even like
friendly competition like anything that she's trying to do. I'm
one hundred percent in on it. I'm like, all right,
I want to make this work just as much as
you do, and I think it's vice versa. So like um,
for me, as a guy, like you said, it's always

(37:48):
it's always been harder, even for myself. I guess I've
never had to take a backseat to um a female.
I don't know how to sound like in a relationship,
you know what I mean, you got to do so
where Cam is totally different, Like the majority of time
she's the dominant one. Yeah, can, I can. There are

(38:09):
areas where I am, but I'm cool with sharing that space,
you know what I'm saying. It's not an issue with
me at all. Like I'm like, even when we go
on public Girls, they'll be trying to find out with
Cam and people don't care about me now They're like,
Whi's can't know what that feels like. So now and
when it comes to like winning, our strategy was all right.

(38:30):
So how we wanted to play is I wanted to
be the strongest girl in the game, and I wanted
one other of the strongest girls in the game, which
I want to be his partner, Casey. So you get
what I'm saying. So anybody else did not care if
they stayed or left. I'm like, I wanted him to
have a strong team. I wanted him to have a
strong girl to run the finals with. And for me,

(38:52):
I'm just like I don't care whatever, guy run. The
final with me were good because you know you're I think, yeah,
like you're only as strong as your partner, right, So
with every daily, like I prefer for him to win
because on a guy's day, I didn't want him to
be potentially up for grabs to you know, go back
down to the creator and for girls, they I didn't
want anybody stealing Casey from him, right, So we yeah,

(39:15):
like it was it was beneficial for us both for
him to win all those dailies. But sometimes I'd be like,
damn he beat me again. Yeah, yeah, they were. Their
team was so good, like it was not even funny
because they had so much chemistry. Yeah funny. They were amazing.
Do you guys think coming into the show with such

(39:36):
a strong and healthy and powerful relationship that there was
like any did you see like any issues coming up
for you too? Like being that close and coming into
the game, we had already spoke about like what will
happen if one of us was to get mad at
each other because you know, couples argue, So we got

(39:58):
a co ord code word writing that down code words.
It's a couple of times a housewife pissed her off
to where she was like heated and when it when
his word is thrown out, we know, the nippet in
the bud right there, like all right, it's a rap.
You know, I'll talk to you letter and go from
there because I don't never want to be seeing on

(40:19):
the national TV arguing with her. And yeah, it was
it was pretty easy. It was super It was super easy.
You know what I mean. I don't let that charted
relationship outside of this. You know, Um, communication is key.
You learn communication skills when you're in the challenge, were communicating.
I mean you see how that communication was off between
Jay and Corey. He's over here sitting him signal saying
that he's good. He's not. So for us, Um, the communication.

(40:43):
You know, Cam and I we've been through a whole lot,
so coming on to the challenge it makes it so much.
It's easier. It's super easy. Yeah, one of the healthiest relationships.
I would say that code word like you don't want people,
you know to see you guys fight. I mean I
could see when you guys got a little man, but
like I was there, like, you guys handle things really well.
So kudos to you. Guys and Lee Roy didn't get

(41:04):
jealous when Cam got stolen so many times. I mean,
she was a high commodity, like everybody wanted. What was
that like? I mean, I know there was competition, So
you're winning all the dailies and all the men want
your woman, So how was that? I loved it. Okay,
you got to keep Casey. It's nothing to do with you, Cam,

(41:26):
It's all about case Honestly. I like the fact that,
like the guys, they could see what I see in her,
you know what I mean. She's definitely very smart, she's powerful,
she's beautiful, so I'm like, hell yeah, you know, like
they just think she's a dope chick all the way around.
I think even outside of the game too. So that
definitely makes me feel good, but more so because someone

(41:47):
to keep Casey. What would you have done if somebody
would have been like, I picked Cam. It's not because
she's athletic or smart, because she's beautiful with a big booty, Like,
what would you have done? Lee? I would have just
thrown them in, Okay, cool baby, next guys, they just
just take it, just put us in. Yeah, I don't care,

(42:12):
can I can I still stay with Casey. I'm telling
me all he this marriage, Casey, can't you let your
hair down? Casey. I don't ever want to leave you
with Casey. I'm not running the final Okay, I'm I
want to run with you like it was. It was dope,
and you know, yeah, I genuinely like Casey, like I said,

(42:32):
regardless of whether she told FESSI that or whatever, it
doesn't even really matter to me. Um. I felt like
our chemistry was working so good, so it was like,
why break a good thing up? That's what I was on,
you know, I mean, especially I'm this close to the money.
I'm like, come on, man, let's just stug this out.
We never had an argument. We've been cool. And I
can also see if i'm her perspective, her perspective also

(42:52):
if she was thinking, man, this dude, I'll never win.
I may have better chances with Fessie. You know. And
I don't think he's everyone either. I never one. Sorry,
Sorry you say that word. I get triggered. Yeah, trust me,
I know you guys. Yeah, you guys like we're smart

(43:13):
from the jump when it came to politics, because you
decided not to work together as a team, like you
split up you were with Josh Kim and you were
with Casey from the jump, so like going into it, like,
did you ever think about switching back so that you
could end up together on the final or was it
like now we're gonna like divide and conquer and whoever
wins this money, like at least someone's bringing it back
to the family. So this is something that we every

(43:35):
single week. We talked about it all the time, especially
as we approached and got closer to the finals. Um.
But how we were looking at it, we were like,
or what would you what would y'all think? Like do
we want one shot at one million dollars or do
we want two shots at half a million dollars to
take home? That's it. We went with the math. We want,

(43:55):
with the probability we would rather and especially if it's
going to be a four team final, ye want to
have we want to be on two of those teams,
um separately. You know, we want a fifty percent chance
of winning and taking something home like that. That's a lot.
Nobody goes to the final with a fifty percent chance
of winning, right right. You guys were really smart about it,
know what I know now? I used to tell Cam,

(44:17):
I said, Bay, because like we would say, do we
want to run together, we want to run separate. And said, baby,
why don't you throw your separate to elimination trying to
come give me? Because when the girls that was left
there was there was not a lot of girls there.
There was going to be camp with the girl left right,
And it's not to speak back on them like they
can't repeat, but more than likely Cam had the highest
probability to win it. So Mama is I look, bag,

(44:40):
go in there, go to the last girl's elimination and
then just go in there and get me and then
what we were up set. But either way it go,
and the only way that was going to actually happen
was since the last one was a god's elimination, I
would have had to go in there, and I was
not trying to go in there again. Specy, you know,
fucking hall Broad No, why break your back now? You

(45:00):
know what I mean? Sounds like a terrible idea? Yeah
it does. I mean. The thing is what Betsy, it's
like you and why me and Nanny was getting so
annoyed is because we were thinking what everybody's thinking. You
talk all this talk, here's your opportunity to back it up.
You didn't win the last one because Amber couldn't do
math good. You had the opportunity to compete by yourself,

(45:21):
to show everybody what you're made of. Whoop, you do,
go do it. But instead, you know, we were just
kind of annoyed, like you trying to plot and throw
Leroy in now, which I get it. But you can't
sit here and say you the best without being, you know,
willing to go back it up. You don't. Well, Alissa,
Torrian and Babe, I'm turning into the interviewer. How do

(45:44):
you all feel about him throwing himself into elimination which
is ballsy, and then actually winning it and putting up
a dominant performance amazing? I mean, yeah, you gotta give
it to him. I give him his Absolutely he did.
I think I think if it was anything but hallbrawl,
he wouldn't have done it. But anything physical, yes, anything physical, yes,
I think he would have went down because I think

(46:04):
he believes that that is his strong suit. But if
it was something where you had like two individual things,
it would have been a toss up for him. But
I do I can respect the fact as a competitor
that he was just you know, he volunteered to go
down there and he won. Good. Good for you, yeah right,
and like he was he was walking around saying that
he was the best. So it's like you gotta do it.

(46:25):
I mean, I hated watching Kyle go like that. That
hurt to watch. That was sad, like leaving with his
broken finger, like especially because like you know, Kyle does
play the kind of game he plays, or like the
defeat on his face going into that, he knew that
that was not gonna be He knew he wasn't gonna
come out on top, I know. And then him crying,
like nobody wants to Nobody wants to see anybody get hurt.

(46:47):
I don't care what kind of game they're playing, you know,
it just you never want to see people get hurt.
All dangerous because this ship was like yeah going on,
It's like no, I could still go cut it off.
I'm like what it was so scary seeing that in person,
Like I couldn't even look at it. I was like
the whole time I was looking away. That's that's the

(47:11):
last thing you want to see somebody get injured. M Yeah,
well it ended the way it ended. You know, everyone
got their pairs. FESSI and Casey are together now, so
we'll see how they ride off into the sunset. Lee,
you get to be with Nanni, which is obviously epic
for you both. Can you're with Corey. You guys showed
how strong you were last episode, and we have no
fucking idea what Amber B and CT are about to

(47:31):
do because who would have ever thought that they would
have ever been paired up? So well, how do you
feel going into this final? Like ultimately end of season
thoughts going into this final where both you guys at
I feel like about to win. Hey, yeah, I just
feel like we've had such a perfect um, we had
a perfect game, you know, together with how we just

(47:54):
came in, how the way that we got our souls.
I feel so confident going into this fine with Corey.
Um who who's you know? We are We're the newer
generation of the challenge. So I'm just like, okay, like Corey,
we can we can really make history right here? Like
we we can, we can do this. You know, we're
both so hungry for that first win, and uh, clearly

(48:18):
from this most recent challenge, I see like, Okay, we
do have a little bit of chemistry here you'll let
me take the lead, and you know you'll take it
when whenever you know you want to as well. So
we felt confident and um with Libroy and Nanni. That
was also it was it's like full circle, like y'all
started out together and like she's also with him for
this last one. So that was I think that's just

(48:41):
also perfect, Like what yeah, well, it's like a perfect
little story. I mean, you were the guru. Cam like
called every single thing that happened, to the point where
I thought you were working for production. You were literally
writing the show at that point. I think production was
going off of your like your brain, like Cam thought
about they were like, oh shit, maybe we would we

(49:01):
should do that, Kim said. Kim makes sense, she does
math problems in five seconds. We probably should listen to
her and get this ship together before these kids figures,
set a pattern out and let's just flip this game
on its ass. Yo. And honestly, I need how to
give you props too, because once you found out and
this goes a little bit further back, Kim, but like
once you found out that that second team, um, once

(49:22):
there was a what was that called when they were
like a when two people had to go into security breach.
Thank you. You were like every time you went into
the voting booth, you made sure that you didn't vote
with the majority right so that way you could avoid
that security breach. You say, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that
that just gets so calculated. Where the fuck did you write?
And why didn't you tell me about it? So I

(49:46):
didn't know. I didn't even know that that's what was
gonna happen. But I was just like, yeah, I'm gonna
vote here just in case they want to say, oh,
they also got vote. So I'm just like, yeah, like
this seem y'all, damn sure, we're gonna go with you're
There was a mark I didn't even know about that.
You are so young and so smart. I always forget

(50:07):
how old you are because you really do have it
together for such a young, wonderful lady. And you guys
do really set such a great example of, like, you know,
a healthy relationship, a positive relationship, like what it looks like,
I know, perfect relationship. You got what I'm saying. Like
we're regular people too. Sometimes people look at us like, oh,

(50:28):
y'all are so perfect? Yallar this um because y'all just
see it on Instagram. Yeah, but it's still healthy. Yeah yeah.
And you guys still pray. You have your like you pray,
we unicate like we But what do you make Leroy
do in the house? Trash? No, nobody cares about that, Leroy.
When she used to make you write down your goals.

(50:51):
Oh yeah, we have so many vision boards. Yeah. I
have way more structure in my life now. And that's
that's the amazing part. Listen right now the studio that
I mean right now. She made me right this down.
She said, listen, what is it that you want to do?
How do you want to look? And I wrote it
out and it all cameras to fruition. So now, babe,

(51:14):
I'm gonna tell you some other stuff that I want
to have on the vision board for you to do.
See that, Okay, I don't think I want to know
how don't think it includes the crust. It definitely doesn't
include the crust. I don't think we should put that
answer on the air. Oh man, So Lee, what are

(51:35):
you gonna do a retirement now? Like obviously, unfortunately you're
out of the game, which we all hate because we
love seeting on the show. But you got your studio
going on. What else you want to do next? The
next thing is the actual full shot with people working
underneath you. Yeah, that that's that's what's next. I'm gonna
just keep doing with it. I mean, there's so many
different avenues inside the Barbara business, so many different things

(51:57):
that I could do. So now I just want to
keep re educating myself in just getting as much knowledge
as I can. Um, you know, just have to challenge.
That's money, but there's also money and what I'm doing.
So I'm gonna be you know, whenever I was doing.
When I say that I'm retiring from the shows, because
I was always one for them one foot out half
to time on Barbara, half to time them doing challenges. Um,
I want to fully commit to everything that I could

(52:17):
offer with Barbara and see what that takes me. And
you know, anything else is I could thick up. But
for now it's it's definitely be the Barber. I love it,
I really do. You you see how much I'll cut
air on the show. I mean, and there's some clean
lineups like the way that you I mean, it's an art.
It is an art because I've seen people get people
haircuts and I'm like, are their mirrors where you live.

(52:40):
But your ship is like a straight up barbershop on
the show, Like people sit there like like it's a
Friday and talk shit and talk to you about everything,
and then you make these people feel good about themselves.
So yeah, I'm happy that that you got to have.
I mean, this was your season. I mean there was
like a lot of there was a outily, there was

(53:01):
a lot of cam And I'm so happy this about
it ends perfectly for myself. It really, it really does.
Like I am truly happy when I could like look
at it for what it is and everything that I'm
about to do now. It couldn't have worked out any
better way. Um. So when the people that are listening
when finally see it, just remember me saying it is, uh,

(53:24):
this is a It was an epic ending, I feel
like in my opinion, and I think that's the most
beautiful thing in the world. Like you gotta be happy
for people when they can step back from this fucking
shit show of a show and be like I'm good,
Like I got what I needed to get out of it.
I'm gonna grow, my life's going to continue, and this
is not the end of me. This is the beginning
of the next chapter. Now I get to watch you

(53:44):
guys as fans now like how to be from their
couch and pick us apart. I mut be watching. Hey,
don't think us apart up, niece. Why are you torried
do the same shit you said you wasn't gonna do? So?
Where else can we follow you? Guys? How else can
we support you? Drop? Drop some handles on us? Um,

(54:05):
you can support me at Royal the Barber dot com.
I got some merch there. You could hair cut there,
do my cameos. There is royally Royally the Barber. Everything
is Royally the Barber. It's only one. I'm one of
a condum, one of one, okay, not yes, one of
one for me. I am Cam, I am and I'm

(54:26):
Patreon Cam and Lee and that's Cam with the cave
So Cam and Lee. Yeah, just just come join our
Patreon gang. And yeah, that's it. Well, it's been a
pleasure talking to you guys. Can't wait to see these
final episodes coming up. Can't wait to see you dominate
this final And thank you so much for coming on
the podcast. Thank you for having us ladies partner all

(54:48):
the time. Yeah, Cut, we really appreciate it, Lee Roy,
you will be missed. I can't leave retiring, but maybe
you'll come on All Stars one day where we have
a lot of fun. We're a little lower to the
water and heights over water. I waited to watch that.
It's gonna be good. You can tear us apart on
that one. That one's a good one. All right, but

(55:10):
you will be missed. We will send you all our love.
Now listen in Houston, stop boding Wally's Barbara Studio. Yeah, okay,
I'm good shape, ups are back shaved. I love that
I'm feeling freaky down. All right, Thank you guys. That

(55:40):
was so incredible to hear from Cam and Lee. Right,
I love them so much. But all right, guys, let's
get into our next segment. Listener transmissions, Anissa, somebody dmmed me.
It was Barbara, and she wanted to know. And I
love this one because in this episode we saw that
TJ arrives before everyone and wakes them up. So Barbara
wrote in she DMed me and she won to know

(56:01):
when do the camera guys arrive in the morning? They
arrive before we wake up, Like I guess I used
to wake up at like six am and they'd be
like asleep on the couch after like boozing all night
watching soccer. So like remember when we were on Total Mannus,
we'd come in, they'd be on the couch and like

(56:21):
what was it called again in the where the gym was? Yes, whatever,
So yeah, they get in pretty early. It definitely depends
if we have a challenge or not when they should
get there. I mean if the earlier the challenged, earlier
the crew gets there, but usually before breakfast, which is
about eight. I mean I give them a lot of
credit because they're there early. And usually we meander in

(56:44):
the morning and try to avoid getting miked up because
the camera and mike guys work together hand in hand
and nobody knew that there's always a mic guy with
a camera guy to make sure that audio is picked
up as well as visual. So in the morning when
we wake up, I definitely try to avoid putting my
mic on, but it's part of the contract, so we
gotta get that thing on real quick and literally run
to the kitchen and my coffee. And you're like, I
won't talk to anyone. I swear to either, Like Anissa,

(57:06):
you always talk, but I mean at this time, I'm
not going to talk to anyone mind you. I'm like, Tori,
so what are we gonna do today? Do? When I
a Celsie's party? So good? Shout out to those camera guys. Well, guys, listen.
You can send us listeners transmissions, Jess like Barbara did. Anissa,
where can they send them to you? What is your
Instagram handle? My Instagram handle? Is you weirdo? If you

(57:31):
want to know what my handle is, it's Anissa MTV.
That's a n E s a MTV um on Instagram.
I hate you so much because I feel like I
was very repetitive because you made me nervous. Um. You
can send me a lot of nervous dms. Um I
will answer them or not, or I'll just look at
them and be nervous too. Tori, where can they find you? Tori?

(57:55):
Underscore deal on Instagram? You know I like see see
on nervous your guy damn Anissa? All right, guys, you
can send me also nervous dms. What makes you nervous?
I want to know? Send me a DM on Instagram
and let me know. Also send me some listener transmissions.
I'd love to answer your question. Philip and Barbara sending
some great ones, and we'd love to hear from you
as well. Your mom, I'm sure that you watch it

(58:17):
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