Us Against The World w/ KellyAnne Judd

KellyAnne Judd joins Aneesa and Da'Vonne on the podcast today and they get into everything: being sent into elimination, who she was flipping off, and where her and Jonna stand today. You don't want to miss it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's going on everyone? I'm a Nissa Ferrera. Hey y'all,
it's me Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
We just watched the episode and now it's time to
discuss what the hell a mess madness is. What just happened,
Pure madness. But you know what, I love a good

(00:21):
get your lick back, and that's exactly what Kelly Anne
did this episode. She got her lick back, okay, because
Mama went into that elimination and was like, no, okay, okay,
that's fine, that's fine, and she did what she needed
to do. So shout out to both her and Grant.
Somebody would have said my name, I probably would have
herds them out down there. Or she slaid somebody the

(00:41):
middle finger, Yes she did, and we're gonna find out
who Kelly Anne gave the middle finger too. Yes, But
before we get into all of that, you all know
we have our little segment of the king or queen
of the world as well as someone who was on
another planet. Whore your picks for this week, Anissa, I

(01:01):
don't know who my king or queen of the world
would be, Okay, glor Reverse listen, Nellie was on another
planet where there was no gravity. Um, poor baby. I
don't know if he didn't hear anybody when they were
like stop stopping her, But that's what he did instead

(01:23):
of the momentum like things in motion, stay in motion,
like he should have went with that inertia and just
push baby girl into the thing. Huie was just there,
just like just like a little flailing pizza. She wanted
to fly so bad. She looked at the other She

(01:45):
looked at Killian like I want to do what she's doing.
I want to do that. I want to be you
when I grow up. But but Nelson knew how to
run right in the middle. He got that part. He
got that thing quick. I was like, come on, Nelson,
but now, and you know, looking at this elimination, he
was a little on the disadvantaged side, because height was

(02:07):
your advantage in this in this thing. Um fran a
little short here, a little short, and so you know,
trying to run and hold the strap to sling her
would have been better to swing her and then go
behind her and try and push like her actual body. Yeah,
and get off the get off the string that was
Her arms were short too, so well they don't they

(02:30):
do it because it has to be able to be done.
So if maybe they heightener. You know, they tested every
single person in South Africa in the in like a
twenty mile radius and said, hey, testers, we have this
sized person and this sized person all the way up
to theo's height. I'm gonna need you guys to all

(02:52):
test out this one thing. Okay, do you have a
king or a queen of the world. I mean, Grant
did take two back to back, back to back. You
ran it back back to back, and TJ made it known.
I was like, are you gonna acknowledge Johnny at all? Right?
He was like, and you did well as you did
well as well. Look at you, Johnny, you were there too,

(03:16):
Puzzle put some respect on my name. It's like we're
all watching a different show. Sometimes I feel like we're
not all seeing the same things. My king or queen
of the world. It's actually Kelly in And I say
that not because she won this elimination, but you know me,

(03:38):
I love somebody that's confident and not afraid to show it.
And she's having a conversation with Grant and she's telling
he says, oh, you did great in elimination he's congratulating
her for winning the elimination, and she says to him, well,
I mean, yeah, I'm a legend. So and I was like,
oh right, okay, together, like, well, what you expect me?

(04:00):
And I'm the ship. Yeah I'm here, aren't I. I
thought that was so so so good. So she gets
my Queen of the World this week. Planet I gotta
give it to Nelson because I feel like friend had
no strategy, Like I feel like he had no strategy.
And then I also feel so bad because he tried

(04:22):
to have a brave face for Hui, who's like super like, okay,
it was fun right, right, and he's just like this
challenge stuff means a lot to him, right, And so
I think going in he had that mindset yet again,
this is my chance, this is my time. I'm gonna
win this money. And so to have it taken away
from him again, and you know, you could see it

(04:42):
in his face. So I mean, but I'll tell you,
it's so much easier to go out in the beginning
than at the end, Like, oh, you didn't even have
to put in a lot of work, yet you've only
done one challenge. Yeah, so it's it's not as bad
and it wasn't Fetsy, So there's also that, so thank gosh, dramatic, Yeah,

(05:04):
it's not triggering. Well, we have a great interview for
you today. We have Kelly Ann on and she has
a ton of things she'd like to get off her chest.
Oh my gosh, she is going to spill the tea
and tell us what really happened when we return after
this break. Buckle up because it's it's gonna be a

(05:27):
bumpy and when I say bumpey buffet bump by Flintstone bumpy. Yeah,
but dap a dude like I was sorry. We'll be
right back after this, all right, folks. It is that

(05:56):
time in the podcast where we get to interview some
on special from this season of the Global Championship. Today
where it on the street is we have somebody who's
been involved in a little bit of some stuff this episode.
It's a very, very very Kelly Anne heavy episode and
we are happy to have a year Kelly Anne to

(06:17):
talk about what the hell happens. I was anxious this
whole episode. Yeah, I mean yeah, I sweat a little
bit watching it, just slightly. Um. But there were some funny,
funny time moments too. You know, but those are good.
Did you and John A? Well, clearly you guys have
been friends and we were. We all did All Stars

(06:37):
one together, so I think that's where the budding friendship
came from, if I'm not mistaken. Um, did you guys
walk into this game with a plan like we're friends,
We're going to work together? No? No, we didn't. Um,
we actually did not. On All Stars three, we did.
It was the only person I came in with like

(06:57):
a for sure worked other you know, like Kayla had
message me like, hey, did you know help me out?
I was like sure. But the only person I was
like really like, I'm working with you was Kendall and
which again I had to have that conversation with Kendall
at the point. The only person I ever had a
conversation with ever was John A for All Sorts three.
But on this one, I just kind of felt like
it was when you become close enough friends with someone,

(07:20):
you just kind of you kind of know, you know,
and and also though like there's times when you might not,
even with a close friend, be able to help them out,
and that is going to happen, so you know, like
how Naya said, like, oh I love Kelly Am, but
I'd prefer for Nelson to stay here because you don't
know's team Argentina, and they were going to keep picking
them off as an excuse. So in that situation, you know,

(07:45):
I understand where that has to happen, but we didn't
have a conversation beforehand. No, I definitely think it's like
one of those things where like, you have your friends
and in the beginning, the easy decision is to not
vote them in, and then when it gets hard or later,
there aren't many people to pick from, so then I
could understand. I guess from your perspective, I mean, and

(08:06):
just watching it not knowing, pretending that I don't know
anyone on this show, but it I definitely seem to
upset you, so do you. I don't think that friends
shouldn't vote friends in. Um, you know, like you have
a lot of friends on this show, Anissa, and gets
kind of sticky in that situation. You might have your

(08:27):
very very very best friends. You can still have a
lot of good friends and eventually you're going to be
in a situation where that happens, or you know, you
could your good friend could have a teammate. It's just
not going to work with you, like things happen absolutely,
you know, and to say, like I had said um
on the show, I don't want to put my friends
in a situation that hurts their game. That's why on

(08:51):
episode two, I told Amber and Naia and I told Durell, like,
you know, guys, I don't have the numbers, you can
say my name. Because you don't, You're just gonna be
putting a target on your back for absolutely no reason.
So you know, like I don't take it like West.
You know, I was worried that I was mad at him.
I wasn't mad at him. He could have asked me beforehand,

(09:12):
you know, but like he wasn't targeting me. He didn't
you know, vote my name in. Like I know, I
absolutely was not mad at him. For me, it's like,
we don't have the numbers, you're not targeting me. It's okay,
you can say me, but if I'm your friend and
it really doesn't affect you in this early on in
the game, yeah, it was. It's really fucked up. You know.

(09:33):
I will say, like some people, some mistake and people
will be like, oh, well, you have to cheat and
lie to win these games, and you have to betray
your friends to win these games. But I've never lost
because I didn't betray my friends. I've lost because I'm

(09:54):
not good at puzzles. I've lost because of bad luck
or whatever. But I have never not made it to
the end or lost because I was loyal as a friend.
So let me ask you this, killy Anne, because you
did say that you would never want someone that you
care about, someone in general, to hurt their game in
order to save you right, And you also said in

(10:16):
this interview that you and John Ay never had any
type of agreement coming into the house. It was an
unspoken agreement on your end, but there was never a
dialogue between the two of you. So why was it
such a big issue for you that she could potentially
say your name? Like? Why was it a situation where
it was like, oh, the friendship is over if it happens.
Thank you for asking that questions. I'm sure a lot
of people might ask that. So again, for me and

(10:41):
people that I normally would consider people I would be
friends with, I don't have to tell anybody I won't
say your name again in the beginning of a game.
When it doesn't put my back against the wall in
a very negative way, because that's just not how I play,
and Johnny's and my friend for years, so she knows

(11:03):
how I where I stand with that. But if she
was to be like, hey, you, Kelly Anne said this
ridiculous comment to Tori, which by the way, I didn't
realize how bad that looked to watching it back last week,
and I was like, bay of, So you know, if
she even like it really puts the target back. Now.

(11:23):
If I don't say you, because they're like really scared
to trying to come after them, I would have my
feelings her, but i'd be like, oh, thank you for
explaining that. If you really think that means they're going
to come up for you next. If you don't say me,
which I don't like. I talked to all of them,
I don't believe that's what it is. I talked to
every person on the USA team at some point after that.
I don't believe that would have happened. But if she
really was like that's what they're telling me, dude, of course,

(11:45):
I'd be like, you gotta do what you gotta do.
John A, like I'm sorry I put us in that situation,
you know, but on All Stars three, like I said
we had an agreement, and later on I was during
the show the whole time time. This is why, you know,
John Aye had said I had some giving her quote
weird vibes, and and she would be accurate. She you know,

(12:09):
said it was because I was upset maybe that she
had won, which again, I would never be upset for
my friend winning. I wouldn't even They're like, I've had
so many great friends, whether Evelyn or Jody or whoever,
and I would never want the great strong competitors. I
would never try to get rid of them because I

(12:29):
think they could beat me in a final if they're
my friends, because as we all know, you could be
less of an athlete or less great puckles and still
get lucky enough in a final to win, Like things
happen all the time in finals. So I would rather
if I don't win, my friend wins because I want
her to do well. I want him to do well.
I want to see them have their dreams because I

(12:49):
fucking love them. I love my friends. So to finish
the question that you asked on All Starts three, I
was told many times that John A was working both sides,
and you know, and I started to really recognize that myself,
but I kept giving her the benefit of the doubt.
And at one point I was really pushed by other
people from the other alliance, like Sylvia and different people

(13:13):
that I needed to put john A in when I
got the chance to vote or else if I didn't,
because they were like, we're going to vote her in
either way, so you might as well just put her
in and like proved us that, like and then we'll
be kind to you, we'll work with you. And I
was like, absolutely not, Like if you want to say
Johnny's name, you go ahead. I didn't think they would though,
and by the way, so they didn't it. But I
was like, I'm not I'm not putting john A in.

(13:35):
I'm not saying her name, even if it puts a
target on my back, right and knowing she was working
both sides at that point and so she saw my loyalty.
Then after I finished the show, I saw how much
she was working with him watching it back, and then
I watched her talk bad about me to Kayla, and
you know, saying I was eavesdropping like as if I
could like hear a pass the Olympic sized pool, and

(13:55):
that I was acting weird and that I was pretending
to do yoga, like just really hurtful things. I didn't
care if I heard the other girls talking about me.
I really didn't. But when it came from john Ay,
I just love her so much. It really hurt my feelings.
And she immediately texts me when it came out, and
she apologized, but I was a little hesitant at that point.
I was like, man, like you played me the whole time.

(14:18):
I was loyal to you. Now for no reason you
were talking that. Don't me saying I was scared of Kayla,
like all these things, and I was so happy for
you both times you won, Like I just it was
really hurtful. And so I came on the show with
my like guard up a little bit, being like, we'll
just see how she treats me and we'll go from there.
So as soon as there was a question, I was like,
it was for me. It was just like all of

(14:38):
that coming up, and I was just like, boom, you
don't fucking like me. You're faking me being my friend,
which is really hurtful because I really do, to my detriment,
really love so deeply. So and so that's where that
hurt Prosodyeaody, I just want I wanted to understand if
she really loved me as a human or she didn't

(15:00):
playing me for years. That's all right. That's why in
the scene when you guys are having the conversation when
she tells you she has your back, whatever, you guys
have that talk on the grass, That's why I cried.
That's what I was going to ask you. Were you
crying because she was telling you she wasn't gonna put
you in game? Relate? Now? Were you crying because that
kind of gave you some type of confirmation about your

(15:21):
friendship with her. It gave me confirmation of a friendship
where I was questioning it for about six months to
a year, you know, So this is deeper than just
this game. It was deep. Yeah, it was not the game.
It was I don't I wasn't that worried about going in.
I felt like maybe these all these fucking legends were
just so great, and I was just proud to be there.
You know, I don't want to go home that early,

(15:42):
and I had a feeling that I could win, but
I was like, like win the whole thing. But I
was like, man, I'm just lucky to be here, what
the feelings were and the anger before and the feelings
of that you saw him and I started to tear up.
Was just I needed confirmation that she was actually my friend,
right right? Right? Um? Did you believe her when she
told you after all was saying yeah, and she had

(16:04):
a conversation with you and told you that she heard
from someone that you shared the agree First of all,
did you share the deal that you two met with
anyone else? I didn't know. I didn't even tell my teammate.
I didn't even tell my teammate. I purposely acted like
I thought I was going in all day possibly, and
I prepared myself mentally because even if she would didn't

(16:24):
say my name or granted it's my name. With these shows,
you just never know if they're gonna be like surprised
you're going in anyways, why I was still mentally prepared
to go in. Um, but no man like I. Like
I said, I thought I was like man because she
even said, you're gonna see me have conversations with a
bunch of people today. I just want to know where
all their heads are it so I can get an
idea for the whole you know, the rest of the game,

(16:45):
which is very smart. And she's like, but don't worry, like,
I'm not putting you in. You have nothing to worry about.
Grant will listen to what I say, right, And I
was like, good, got it. And then there was this
like point one percent, like I said, this is point
one where I was like, wouldn't that be fucking crazy?
If not? Like, nah, keep that out of your head.
That wouldn't happen. I was like, but it could. You know?

(17:06):
Did you know about the Nelly harrising? No? He told
me after it's stilly funny. It was really silly watch
because it's Nellie. Well now, yeah, like he was doing
something like he was like fucking James Bond. He was like, no,
I put my hair up this way and I have
one days dangling in the front. You know that I

(17:28):
want Kelly Anne and Tristan down long and luxury my
nostrils this much right right. It was hilarious. I loved it.
I loved it. The thing is is, I was like, well,
why are you getting nels and full brains that choose
you know again? You know? But also will it takes
it takes the pressure off the person if they can
add in the fact. Yeah, yeah, but I've done it.

(17:52):
People have done it. It's one hundred percent. Oh no,
one hundred percent. But not when you tell your friend, hey,
I'm not gonna say your name to my or what
you say, Hey, I'm gonna give Nelson the choice, or
I'm gonna like figure it out as we go, or
we're not gonna know till we're out there. That's what
you said. You if Jennie would have just come to
you and said which I thought she did when she

(18:13):
when you originally had the very first conversation right in
the room where she said that you attacked her. You
came in and attacked her, right, I want to get
your later, yes, But in that conversation I felt that
she basically let you know she doesn't know what she's
gonna do, and it can go either way. I think
that was her giving you a heads up that she
could possibly put you in. But your response was a

(18:34):
little like what do you mean? Like we're friends, and
you kept pushing the friend agenda, the friend friend friend friend,
And so my question to you is if she would
have just came to you straight on and been like, look,
you're going in, would you have respected that more? Or
would that have put added fuel to the fire. Well,

(18:55):
I fothered out that myself a lot. Um, it wouldn't
have had a fuel to the fire. No, it would
have been better than what I had been version. Um,
if it was a different situation, if it was Kendall
or something a Nissa, you know something, I would have
been like, yeah, okay, you had to be honest with me.

(19:17):
You had to tell me why. Okay, you can just
be like because I don't give a buck about you,
that's not but like you're like, this is what happened.
You put trk in your back. You made it clear
that you're not scared to go, you know, say someone
BIG's name. Like obviously when I was saying someone big,
I wasn't talking about her and Grant. I didn't look
at them as a big team. I looked at the
mine like, yeah, they're good, but I didn't think they
were the best, and I didn't think they were the scariest.

(19:38):
And I wanted her at the end anyway. So again,
like it wouldn't have mattered. Um, But you know, if
she would have said that, I think if it was
a different situation, I would have been super like, I
don't no matter why. I've been like bummed out a little,
but I would have been upset and she said maybe
so she would have just gave you. I wasn't spirling
a fucking all. I was not even little bit. I

(20:04):
finished when you guys want me to, when you want
me to answer, I'll about you let me oh, okay,
go ahead. Well no, so I wasn't spiraling like if
you want to say I was spiraling because of getting
put in. No, I was maybe holding in all of
the feelings of dude, you've been fucking playing you this time.

(20:24):
I kept sticking up for you. Then I watched you
talk mad shit for no reason about me. Then I
forgave you. And now the first chance you had to
protect me, you're not like that might have been a
spiral of like me just trying to be like, yeah,
I'm already fucking done with this. And if you would
have her being if she would have had to say
my name and like you asked me like, would I've
been okay with it? If she did, I just had

(20:46):
to say, look, this is we can put charmer on
your back. Yeah, I would have been better. It would
have still hurt me, absolutely, it would have still put
a bigger question mark and if we were ever really friends,
whereas if it was like Kendall or one of my
other regular friends who hadn't all already hurt me, I
would have handled it very differently. Yeah, So, speaking of
spiraling or lack thereof, there was a conversation that happened

(21:08):
with Tristan and a couple of the other girls where
the girls were calling you intense because of the way
that you were behaving. How did you feel going back
watching that scene. Yeah, I don't know, you know, I
I will say that I feel like it needs to
probably knows about me. There are times where I'm always
surprised by how I'm coming across. Okay, Sometimes I just

(21:32):
come right to the point and I think that people
look at it in a way that isn't how I intended.
Sometimes I say things where I'm just like yeah, like
even just now, and you're like okay, I was like, no, man,
there I go again, Like I just don't know exactly,
and I'm just I am an intense person. At times,
I'm very bubbly and cute and like everything's free and butterflies,
and then there's this other high of me that's like
but when I think like this, like this is how

(21:54):
I think, and you know, I'm always open to hearing
out people's thoughts. Yeah, but I'm also I'm direct, and
I think it does come across wrong sometimes. Yeah, I
want to go all the way back because we have
to deal with the fact that you have a partner. Right,
You're not playing this game just as Kelly and by yourself.
You have a partner. Two questions One, how did it
feel being picked last on a scale of one to ten?

(22:16):
How annoyed were you that you were picked last? And
then also also how do you feel about Tristan being
your partner? How did you feel at that time? I
wasn't annoyed at all that I was picked last. I
knew as since there were rumors days before like oh
they might be able to pick who's their partner. And

(22:37):
I immediately was like, oh, that's gonna fucking fuck, you know,
because like I assumed from the star, I get picked last.
Like I mean, I'm one of the older women in
the house. I have never won, and I was, you know,
a lot lighter and shorter than a lot of other women,
and they're all just straight muscle, you know, Like I said,
I didn't feel like I was you know, I was.

(22:59):
I was from It was like, and I'm not good
at sell him myself. They're like, what are you good at? Like,
here's what I'm not good at, you know, Like, yeah,
I don't know. So so I wasn't. I wasn't surprised
by it, but um, I've never been picked last before.
But I've also never for myself in a situation where
I had to get picked for anything. Um, So that
wasn't annoyed. But I was like, all right, everyone knows

(23:20):
my fear and it just happened. But at least I
got that over with having Tristan as a partner. UM.
I thought I got very lucky because he did win UK.
He it seems quite an athletic and he was easy
to talk to it. I had had some conversations with
him just about life beforehand, and I felt like he
was very similar to me and the things that he

(23:40):
cared about. UM, I didn't want him to get like
at one point, I was like, ma, hash, I just
go home. You'll be set, dude, But why would you
do yourself? I feel like I didn't feel ready. I
didn't feel ready. Yeah, but you're you're you think these things.
I think that you're good at it just naturally and

(24:02):
there's like a fire in you and I want to
like do well where it's like you'll say that you
can't or your doubt or whatever, and then I'm not
I'm not in shape for this or I'm going through this,
and you still manage to do it. So it's like,
I do appreciate that. So it's like I don't I
don't care if if you say whatever. I know what

(24:23):
you're capable of. So I really do appreciate that. I
just wouldn't done anything except for leaving you with a
lot of what ifs and not being able to save
all of the dogs in the world. Yeah. Do you
think when you say that you weren't ready that when
you say that you weren't ready, do you think it's
because mentally you're still kind of or you were still

(24:45):
kind of locked into All Star three? Yeah, girl, I
think I was. I think I had just done so
poorly at that final. I was really sick on All
Stars three to night and I've been still battling with
some of that and goes some waves and um, and
I just said so poorly that you know, doing that
bad and then getting picked last and then doing second

(25:08):
to last on the challenge. I was like, year, I'll
throw your raging and you know, you know, know your limits,
you know. So um I was. I was a little
beat down on myself for sure, but I don't think
that's why I was like spiraling to stay in. I
was almost like, you guys should get me out of here.
Let me have a good partner, you know. Um. With Tristan,

(25:29):
I was concerned because he didn't get that puzzle, which
is why he came in last. And I was like, well,
you know it'd be great. It's like it was the
he wasn't good at, but I'm really good at yeah,
but hopefully the future and I'm good at some puzzles
like it. But you know, it's just under pressure in general,
Like it's not it's not my strong suit. So you know,

(25:52):
that was a lot. We need to take a quick break,
just real quick, a little bit. Okay, don't go anywhere,
We'll be right back after this. Well, let's get into

(26:14):
this elimination, because I have many questions about this, this elimination, Kelly.
And this made me think of bloodlines. When you had
to stack the things I thought the same thing. Did
it trigger you a bit like off? Because that was
I think I was happy I don't have to stack,
because you know, like that was so silly, the stacking thing,
because I was beating Jenna the whole time and then

(26:35):
literally she just did and I put too much thought
into it, and I was like, oh, I put this
on to off with it, and then I'm a little shorter,
so it'll talk to me. At least the trusting can
stack things and push things. Yeah, yeah, that definitely yeah,
And there was definitely a way that who he could
have held her body. She was really kind of far

(26:56):
back on it and flopping around, so it didn't help.
But no help help to when he stopped it every time. No,
but he the reason he kept stopping it too is
because um, yes he was doing it stupid as well,
but also sometimes you got to stop it because she'd
be going in the other direction and um, you know,
it's crazy. It's like I'm like, you know, we don't
get to know exactly what the game is when we choose,

(27:17):
but like you can we walk in and you can
see it's a hype thing and there's like a swing
and I was like, I could probably and I would.
Just before we got anything, I was like, I bet
you most likely I can beat any lest anybody here
for whatever this is with my tall ass partner and
my long arms and long, you know, tight body. I

(27:38):
was like, I'm gonna be good my lightweight. I was like,
I'm gonna be good at this. And and I think
that if he would have chosen Jody and Ben huh,
I know why that makes sense why they didn't want to.
But if he was like, oh, I'm just gonna wait
and see what it is, it's like, you gotta whatever
that is. You know, their weight is a lot more
similar in size, so and then has a lot shorter.
So it's just to me, it was like, what could

(28:00):
it have been that you would have ever chose Ben
haw and Jody? If it was if you saw this
and you chose us, that definitely was one of my
questions because you can tell that height and armspan played
a major part in this eliminius. Like there were times
when am I saying her name right? HAHOI yeah, she
was reaching, I did it. There were times when she

(28:23):
was reaching and she wasn't even close like at all,
And and of course we needed Nelsonson, but him even
he's short, so trying to swing her it was just
like it was a total disadvantage from him. And then
the strategy was off to strategy you and Tristan. What
was the strategy? Was it just swing me and let
me go? Um? Yeah, So he had to make sure

(28:46):
the same thing, he'd get enough space from behind push forward.
That was like twifting his rift because that's when you
start to swing to the side too much, right, And
for me, I had to kind of like when you're
on a regular swing, but you're now laying straight. You
had to really move my weight like with the swing.
So as you go back, I'd go back and I'd

(29:07):
swing my body forward and I'd helped push you go
further and I'd put my arms as straight as i could,
my legs back as far as I cook. So I
wanted to push through and you would in a swing
when you when you swing up on a regular swing,
you push your legs up as straight as you can
and then you push them back. You know, very similar. Yeah, right,
you in in mid swing, as you guys, it's obvious

(29:28):
that you're winning. Right in mid swing, you look into
the crowd and you give somebody the middle finger was
that specific or universal, but um, I think it was universal.
I definitely was not to John Day. I don't even
remember doing that. I'm sure it was just to everyone
in the place for for fucking saying my name. But

(29:49):
I mean literally after the nominations, like going, oh, so
stress up the nominations, I had like five different teams
come up to me and be like, girl, you were
I was thinking jokes the whole time. They were like,
you were so funny, thanks for making that so easy.
We really appreciate it, Like I was, really and as
much as I kept my name called by people the

(30:09):
whole time, I was really enjoying the house. I really
like the people. I was like, fuck you guys gonna
say me, but like I'm enjoying around all of you,
and I think they were enjoying thing around me as well.
So I was having a good fun You can say
my name if you don't promise me you will, and
I can take it and we'll still be friends and
we'll still have a good laugh afterwards for sure. Yeah,

(30:31):
So where are you and John A? Now we're okay,
we're on speaking terms, we're friends. We're friends, but it's
not the same. I think it's still fresh. You know,
we're still I need to hang out there outside the show.

(30:51):
On the show, I would say I can't imagine ever
trusting her because well, I mean, even talking to her recently,
she's not like, She's like, oh that was it wasn't
appropriate for me not to tell until the end after
you know, she didn't send any of that. So I'm like, well,
I feel like having someone like your word means something
in life. In the game it means something or else.

(31:12):
Everyone would just lie all the time, and you know
it doesn't that doesn't make any sense. So in the
game I couldn't. I don't think anyone should probably trust
her because you can't believe she's actually gonna do what
she says. That's a pretty big deal. But in life
I still love her. I love her children, you know,

(31:34):
I really I like talking to her. So I had
this friend growing up. She would always hit on my
boyfriend and she she was just hippie chick and it
was totally appropriate. I don't think she'd ever do anything.
And if it wasn't a regular girl, i'd be like, girl, like,
I can't be friends with you. You just being totally inappropriate.
But with this particular woman, I was like, that's just

(31:55):
who you are and and I love you nonetheless, and
so I kind of feel like it's just an is similar.
It's like very different in what I'm talking about, but
simire the fact that you're like, I probably wouldn't put
up with anybody. But John as owned that, like this
is how she plays the game, and I don't as
long as you I don't catch her talking bad about
me like she did with Kayla, like that just again

(32:16):
was so unnecessary and painful for me as a friend
to watch, But um yeah, I just wouldn't. I wouldn't
probably be her alliant in the game, but I'm I'm
still her friend outside the game until she tells me
that like she just doesn't want to be right. I
totally get it, though. I get it because there are
certain people like I really like them and I like
spending time with them, but I don't like the way

(32:37):
they play. So I you then have to kind of
like it's just a game. So in the game, like
I love who you can hang out, but we're gonna
play differently. And then outside the game, we're gonna have
drinks and go to dinner. And be friends. Yeah, yeah,
and it totally time until after the show was over
to forgive her. Like actually, as the show was continuing on,

(32:57):
I'll tell you, I got more and more angry, Like
it was like festering more like emotions. Do you ever
rebably have a breakup and then like after like my
last break was so bad that like a year afterwards,
I would just have things pop into my head and
be like that motherfucker, you know, And I felt like
that's kind of what this one was. Like my heart
healing and accepting like all the things that I had

(33:18):
been ignoring, and I was like, this pisses me off,
this hurt me, this hurt me, hurt this for me,
And so it was like I kind of got more
angry for a little while. But then once I was
able to like heal from that pain, I was able
to forgive her, truly you And but then now like
I actually do forgive her, I don't understand that tactic.
Like I said before, I've never not won because I

(33:42):
was a loyal friend. I never didn't make it to
the end because I was a loyal friend. So to
use as an excuse, it's just an excuse. Danny had
made a statement that he's noticing in his opinion that
the house is more so the friendship aligned as opposed
to the country alliance. Right, would you say that there

(34:06):
is a clear division? Was there a clear division inside
of the house. Yeah, I think that it worked out.
Danny was kind of doing his own thing compared to
a lot of us, for sure. Yeah. The countries were
really just an excuse for people to be able to
target you a certain way or for you to have

(34:27):
that like built in alliance. And I think that like
using that to your advantage was smart. But when you
start off with lust players like Argentina or UK, it's
like you can use it, you know, only so far
and U. But USA was so strong and they had
real friends like you have Casey and Tori, right, they're
real friends. And yeah, Bananas, he's a real friend. Theo's

(34:48):
a real friend. So you're like, your country's your friend,
but you also have that. Then Tor also has her
outside that like Jordan and I don't know who else,
but she was very protected by her country and by
outside of it. So you know, Danny, he was really
he was really like he had a lot of thoughts

(35:09):
judgments on people's close friendships because he wasn't really aware
of them, and the academy to the commers too many people,
but people also fall out on their own, like you
can protect him and they still go in and go home.
So it's like he was a little paranoid when really
I think he should have been appreciative of how connected
his partner was. Oh, okay, because she was. You know,

(35:30):
we spoke a little bit about it earlier, and I
just kind of wanted to tap in and ask you,
a girl, the conversation that you had in the room
with Tori where you mentioned that someone from USA needed
to go home. Now, did you forget that Danny was
her partner? You really didn't care? Absolutely? Uh, that's solid
question to talk about. Um. Yeah, exactly. Um, because it's

(35:54):
funny because Jody's like, she's Team USA. But I was
talking to Tory and I said, I said, I refer
to her as part of the USA. I said, you
guys are the strongest. I was what I was saying.
I know, it's you your USA, you know. Um, But
that was actually at that point, yes, it was my
That's where I said I screwed up. I don't even
remember doing that until I watched and I was like yeah, um.

(36:17):
But Tory brought it up later and I was like, girl,
I don't know you're talking about And I was like, oh, yeah,
I guess I did. Um. But that was because I
had already talked to to Bananas and I had already
talked to West, And you know, we have less than
ten minutes to get back from the Challenge shower eat
do nominations, and then you got to be ready in
thirty minutes to go out that night, you know. And
I'm and you have to have this conversation. So it's

(36:39):
like you look like your frantic, but really you're like,
I got four minutes to do this. Of course I'm
fucking frantic. I can't even clay him four minutes and
so ill and so um. I go in there room
right next mind, I'm like, Bananas was the plant and
Banana's I haven't been close friends. We had never really
worked together, but we've grown up in a friendship as well,
at not a real friendship, but like there is a

(37:01):
friendship there. We have a love over all families. So
I'm like, let me know, like what's the plan. I'll
follow your lead And he's like, not telling me. You know,
I've talked to my teammate. It's like, oh, yeah, you're
really gonna You're not gonna tell your teammates telling you
what to do? Come on, um, And I know, like
the solid thing you should know want to challenge is
if you're not having the game the plan talked to you,
it's because the plan is you. Yeah. So as soon

(37:23):
as the plan was not talked to me, I go, okay,
I'm the plan. That's why I was like, okay, got it.
And then he's like, oh no, Johnny, like what's the plan?
And I was kind of my head. I was like,
why the fuck is Johnny even in here right now?
She's not even part like you know, and I was like,
why why are we having this conversation? Is that Johnny,
She's the person choosing like right like it just like
don't fuck off guys, And so I knew at that

(37:43):
point it was me. And then I was being told
by Team UK and Australia like, oh, everyone wants to
put Tristan in because he had lost the time before
and he got like a free out, so we're gonna
put him as an excuse because he didn't have to
go compete the time before four and then you guys
came second to let Yeah, yeah, it was even they said,

(38:04):
they're like, this is an easy tactic. That's why we're
gonna say it. So I at that point it wasn't
because I was saying Team US said they were already
choosing me. Then that's why I'm looking so like disgrunted, disgruntled.
I don't know, um in my bedroom with Jordans and
Tory because you know, I'm sitting right there, Jody's there.
They're probably just talk to Jody about what to do.
And now I'm they're packing my shit up, getting my

(38:25):
things ready, and they're like, what do you think Kelliott.
In my head, I'm like, fuck, do you mean? What
do I think? I know what I think? You guys
are putting me in right, you know. And so that's
when I was like, well, I think fucking usa she
go in because I was like, you're already sucking saying
my name right, you know. So my problem is like
people call me a loose cannon. I don't agree. I'm
not a loose cannon. If you watch All Stars. Both

(38:46):
times I was on it, I kept my mouth fucking shut,
even when I kept having my peel being complete assholes
to me the whole time, like kept getting you know,
talked about and put it, talking about being put in,
and I stayed calm so I wouldn't call myself a
loose and I'd say that I do speak too much
sometimes when I have high emotions or someone ask me

(39:08):
a direct question and I have not I've sometimes it's
like forty percent of the time I'm able to just
be like no, no, I'll keep it to myself. And
then there's like there's sixty percent of the time where
I'm just like, you know, I just say something stupid.
And I could have just been like, oh, I understand
if you guys like what I said to Amber and
all of them, like you guys, just say my name,
don't play target in your back. But if I should

(39:31):
have just probably looking back when Tori and Jordan asked me,
I should just say, what do you guys want to do?
I'm open to whatever, and if it has to be me,
then I'll take it on the chin and I understand,
you know. But instead I was like, well, I'm gonna
say your names because everyone's just trying to like stay
another week, but like you guys have the strongest fucking
team is strong. And I wasn't saying I was gonna

(39:51):
say Tori. I was saying, let's choose someone like Bananas
or something, someone that is a I would say Banana. Say.
I'm saying I'm gonna say someone's name. I don't have
the numbers, but be aware, I'm going to stay one
of your names. That's all long answer. Sorry, So now
you've won the elimination. Congratulations, You've won this elimination, and

(40:11):
now you're going back into the house. You and Jane
have this whole conversation, and now my question is what
is the plan for Kelly Yanne? And that rhymed I
know in an accident, but I like it. I like it.
What is the plan for Kelly Yanne? Like? Who do
you feel like you need to link up with? People
have shown their cards in this little amount of time.

(40:33):
What are you going to do strategically moving forward? Um,
you know, I think I was It was kind of
what I said. I was just gonna wait and see.
I mean, that's that's how I've always played the game.
I just like to wait and see. I just was
hoping that I could have stayed out of it from
the beginning. But um, I knew that once my name
was put in, it would probably likely be put in again.
I was going to continue to tell Bananas and West

(40:54):
and Tory and whoever I need to, like, Hey, you
guys want to group me into you all take all
of reliance and willing to pick me up. You know. Um,
I wasn't going to target Johnny because I didn't think that,
like being vengeful would be very good for my game.
But I wasn't going to protect her. And Okay, so,

(41:15):
like I said, I came into the house with me
with weird vibes. Let me explained that better. On the
very first like a couple of days that we're all
getting to know each other, john NYE comes up to
me or is in front of me and two other
girls from like UK and Australia, and she was like, Kelly,
and if I ever lied to you, and like she
had lied to me, Mary told you she had lied

(41:35):
to me and all Stars three and I didn't. I
was never going to tell anyone that you couldn't trust
her like I was. I gave her. I was giving
her a second chance, you know. So I was not
going to share that with anybody. But then she asked
me to vouch for her, and I just thought, like,
why are you asking me to vouch for you when
you know you had just lied to me and I'm

(41:57):
still kind of uncertain about you, you know what I mean?
Podcast last week she did? Did she? Yeah? Oh? Man? Yeah.
So she's like, I'm like, what that's funny. So I
was like, why would you ask me to vouch for
you when I'm still just trying to make sure that
you're someone that I can trust, you know, And so
I I was like, uh, you know, I don't even

(42:17):
want to talk about this in front of them. And
she was like, well, what do you mean you know?
And I was like, well, I mean, like you did
tell me one thing and do another, and I'm not
mad at you, It's okay, but like I'm not. I mean,
you have misled me, that's you know. And I was like,
I don't but again, I don't want to talk. Can
we not have the conversation in front of other people?
It's like, you want to talk about it, let's talk

(42:38):
about it, but not here, and um, the girl's like
we'll walk away. They walked away, and then you know,
she started to tear up, which I thought was kind
of peculiar, and she's like, I just feel and I
was like, no, it's okay, like you know, but she
hadn't drinking, so I thought maybe she was just a
little drunk. And I was like, do you want to
have this conversation like upstairs, and socially did and it
started off like with her being like apologetic, but then
it turned into like okay, then she got you know,

(43:01):
like more like upset, and then I just let's just call, like,
we don't have to go in circles, let's just stop
the conversation. We're fine, you know, like I just let's
move on. So later on, when she's telling Casey like, oh,
I think Kelly An's upset because you know, I won
a couple, which again just makes no faking sense. Um,
I thought, Okay, she's just trying to prepare everybody that
she's going to do something dirty to me because she's

(43:22):
realizing that, like by having me here, I might dirty
her name. And again I never would have wanted to
do that to her. I just didn't want to. I
just also didn't want to vouch for her, and so
I knew that even though I didn't coming back to
the house. I didn't want to try to go after her.
I also knew that now she was probably gonna start

(43:44):
making up rumors about me, whether it's that I'm stressed
or crazy or whatever, because like, oh, I'm gonna have
to really worry about kelly An's vengeance. Like Okay, when
did you guys ever seen me like other than I'm
talking shit to the guys back in like two thou
and ten, Like when have I ever like come back
with a vengeance? Like, yeah, I'm not, that's not me.
I forgive a lot, I will not forget, and I'll
do what I have to do in the game, but

(44:05):
I'm not gonna go be vengeful. So it was like
I was, I was concerned that by me being there,
even if I didn't come after her, she wasn't sure
what I was going to do, and therefore as afraid
she was going to say things about me that could
have been detrimental to my game. So I was just like,
here we go. We're just gonna have to see how
this game plays out. Right. So for clarity, because again
we did talk about this on the last episode of

(44:26):
the podcast, you were uncomfortable with that conversation, because question mark,
because the way it was presented to us was almost
and I don't want to put words in her mouth,
but almost as if you were trying to sabotage her
in that conversation. Yeah, that makes sense, That's that's kind
of how she started to address it afterwards. And absolutely not, No,

(44:47):
absolutely not. I never ever would have come. I would
have never done it. First off, if I was gonna
sat her someone when I do behind their back, But no,
I wouldn't have gone to her face and just started
like talking crap about her character to these people. I
just didn't, like, why would she come up to me
and be like, hey, Kelly Anne, have I ever lied
to you? Like I don't know the conversation you're having
with these people before I showed up, Like I was

(45:07):
walking by, you know, the couch and the table um.
But I'm like why, Like why, out of all things?
You know, you've apologized to me multiple times since last
season for betraying that, you know, like our friendship, for
talking crap about me, for pretending that you were working
with me when you were working with them, Like why

(45:27):
are you asking me if you've ever lied? Unless you
just want to make me feel like it was just
it was it was very uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, um oh
this has been intense, but not you this episode has been. Yeah.
Anything you care to tease for the rest of the season,
give us some little crumbs kill the Anne because we hungry.

(45:48):
They're giving us a little bits of pieces in the episodes.
Give us some crumbs. Um. You definitely see some ups
and some downs from different um groups of both and you'll,
you know, alliances get a little stirred up. So yeah,

(46:09):
I also ask, I'm gonna ask are there cracks in
the Legends or in the MVPs? Am I allowed to
answer that? Um? I, well, you know, you guys saw
the cracks for Australia. We saw that an episode one,
a little bit on two, so you might see some
of that for the MVPs and uh, and there's definitely
some some cracks with the definitely have some cracks with

(46:32):
us Legends. You saw that already obviously as well. Well
these that's the only crack that we like on this
uh podcast. So I'm executive. I'm excited to see what
the season has and I'm really grateful that this episode
was not another cliffhanger because I'm sick of that shit.

(46:53):
It was too much. Each one was like because they
focused a lot on the drama. Ask back the reality
this um episode, which I don't mind. You know, I
like when they show the inner workings of the house
because now you're a real world girl too, so it's
me John Ay, you are real world girls, so you

(47:13):
know there's we're used to that. Yeah, it definitely makes
a difference. Well on the not so real world. Where
can the people find you on the social media? Um? Um,
you guys can find me on Instagram at Kelly am Judd.
I do have a TikTok at Kelly am Judd. I
need to get more into that and um yeah it's

(47:36):
mostly one them on Hey, okay, when you heard of
first people, go and follow Kelly Inn and see what
she has going on in her life. I thank you
so much for coming in out with you and I
on this podcast. You have been a play leisure girl
and being very vulnerable and honest with us. Yeah. I appreciate.
Thank you. And when you guys want to follow my dogs,

(47:59):
stop the sad Yeah. I try to keep the sad
stuff to a minimum on my regular page and time
just still seeing it a lot but there's a lot
of good stuff too, Lots and lots of really uplifting stuff,
but also some sad things. On my dog page, you'll
find it at um at no traditional mother with under
slash under each word. Okay, no dash, un traditional. Thank you. Yes,

(48:21):
she saves the pups and gives them a new lease
on life as a foster foster parent. I've always done
it for men, so I figured why not dogs as well.
You missed opportunity to say new leash on my You
know what? Nice? I love the corny jokes up to you, sis,

(48:42):
but that's really funny. She could start a whole, a
whole foundation called new leash on life where you take
I would like I was like eight for being here.
I love you guys, all right, well, thank you, enjoy
your day, have fun with the hops. Thank you, and
I can't wait to see the rest of this season.

(49:04):
Yes yet, by the way, I'm excited to see the
fire that's been lit up under you for the rest
of the season, because situations like that will light a
fire under you. That's like, oh, good luck trying to
put it out, because I've been there. Good luck. So
I'm excited. Thank you, guys. Dave, and I have to

(49:36):
tell you that I'm so excited that I get to
podcast with you. It's just it really keeps me honest,
but it also makes me laugh because you're funny. But
you also have like a corny element to some of
these jokes and a couple of slogans that might make
us some money later in the future, so there has
to be balanced. Yeah, I really really am happy about it.

(50:00):
I am too. I am having so much fun co
hosting this podcast with you. Of course, we miss our girls,
Devin and Tory. However, in their absence, we are holding
down the fort. Yes, everybody needs a break sometime. The
podcast sport the port. We are holding the port is
gonna say well, friends, family, listeners. Um, that interview was very, very,

(50:27):
very therapeutic. I am glad that Kelly Anne was able
to get all of the things off of her chest.
And you know, hopefully there will be some healing from
All Stars three and this season as well. Yes, that
friendships are not destroyed and that we can all move
on and play our game. Yeah, uh chat, where can

(50:50):
people find you? A Nissa? They won't find they won't
find me on the Global Challenge because I'm home, but
you can find me on Instagram at an Nissa MTV.
That's a n e s a MTV Davin. Where can
they find you? Follow you Twitter, the mayor Twitter. You
can definitely tweet me at day Davin Underscore. You can

(51:12):
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