November 13, 2025 • 17 mins
When the world weighs heavy, Reverend Michael Beckwith reminds us that hope isn’t just a feeling – it’s a discipline. In this week’s My Legacy Bonus Drop, he and Sterling K. Brown explore how we reclaim vision, faith, and unity even amid chaos.
- Why your pain pushes you until your vision pulls you
- How to shift from fear-based thinking to divine possibility
- The spiritual practice of seeing the light in yourself—and others
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is my legacy. In this bonus drop, Reverend Michael
beck With and Sterling K. Brown dive into how we
stay lifted when the world feels heavy. They reveal how
to turn fear into faith, pain into purpose, and separation
into love. Let's jump in.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So, Rev, what what stood out to you about Sterling
spirit and character when you first started getting to know him.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Uh, he's he's he's even though he's an actor, he's
not acting, you know, he's very honest. He's himself and
it's a lot of it was jovial. I remember we
had some event at Agape and he was just always
ready to to serve in his capacity. He was just
ready to be there fully and completely, very very approachable.
(00:48):
And both of them, him and his wife are very
smart people. I like smart people, and they're very they're
very you know, I don't mean like high falutin, but
it's very very intelligent folk. But I would say his
his sense of confidence, his sense of integrity, he just
seemed to be himself and I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Rev, You've spent at least forty years building a global
ministry and movement. So how has your message changed and evolved?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well? I think that it has evolved based on my
own evolution and my own integration of my oneness with
the presence of God. The basic message never changes, which
we are all emanations of the Most High God, the
Living One, the Divine Presence. Each has chosen to be
(01:50):
here on this planet to represent this presence according to
our uniqueness, and that our uniqueness is our spiritual superpower.
Because there's no one exactly like us, So the great
God of the universe, you know, wants to know itself
as us. And so my attention from the beginning and
still to this day, even though I have, you know,
(02:12):
larger visions, is to help build the individual that that's
why I'm here. Like i've I've seen something that I
can't unsee, you know, when I had my first spiritual awakening.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
And then over the years more and.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
More deepening into that which is very real, very authentic.
I can't unsee that, and I have such a desire
within myself for people to see it. I don't mean
with physical eyes, but to see it with their awareness
who they are, what they represent, and how they are
here to contribute to the to the planet. Everyone is
(02:51):
here is to bring a contribution, and so I think
that I've become more articulated and reminding people that there's
an insidious prison that we live in, and that's in
our own mind of of separation from God, which leads
to feared out worry. A belief in separation can lead
to hate, bigotry, all matter of things. This sense of
(03:14):
separation can be projected into the world and then subsequent
actions can be taken based on that sense of separation. So,
but the basic message has stayed the same, and then
my own growth in it it has become, it becomes
more and more integrated, just based on my own spiritual practice.
So I'm unshakable with what I've seen, and so I
(03:37):
become unshakable in seeing the potential in people. I can
see it, you know, I can see the Christ's presence
in individuals, and so I have a way of just
being around people, sometimes not even doing anything. I'm not
even speaking, but I can, I can. I can help
pull it out just based on what I see. And
(03:59):
so many people obviously are looking for flaws and people.
They're looking for that. They live in a protective consciousness
to try to protect themselves, so they don't really have
the opportunity to see the truth about people. So I
just see reality in people. I can see through their
own ceilings. There is the Christ, the hope of glory,
(04:21):
if that's what you want to call it, the presence
of God within us, and every religion has their own
name for it. And that's not just metaphor or prose
or religious writings. That's the truth of our being. So
every week I'm disguided to hit the basic message and
then deal with whatever's going on in a person's life
(04:43):
or in the world on the world scene, the political saying.
You know, it will show me how to handle that
without offending people, but definitely uplifting people, as you just
said recently, Martin, lifting us to our higher nature, the
angels of our higher nature, you see. So so so I'm
always I'm always on the edge of my own growth.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I remember having part of this conversation with you before
because I asked similar a similar question. Would you say
that possibly in the past you would have passed off
these ideas of these downloads that you have from spirit
and credit them to other people, just in case you
thought people thought that it was too strange. And now
you're like, I own it all, Like.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I am absolutely that is that is, you're absolutely articulating
part of my own growth. Man. The first five years,
maybe even longer, as speaking at a gape, I would
assign certain inspirations to a teacher and I would say
as so, and so said as so and so said,
you know, but I wouldn't I wouldn't quite own it.
(05:44):
I'd have to quote somebody or pretend that I was
quoting somebody. But today I can stand fully me. You know,
I know what I've gone through. I know what I
go through, I know the inner changes one has to
go through to embody that kind of energy, and I
know who I am, and it has nothing to do
with ego. It has something that just knowing who you are.
(06:05):
You know, I know, I know. I know that the
presence of God is love and loves us all, and
that God's eyes are too pure to behold inequity. God
only sees the potential in all of us. And and
I've had to learn to do that for myself. So
in terms of evolution, I've had to learn to uh
develop such an inner self worth that I can receive
(06:28):
and then I could just be me, you know. And
that's that was a growing edge for me. Why does
everybody love me. It's like, I'm just like, WHOA, what's
going on? You know? And I couldn't take it in
at first. Now I just, I just I just love
God and love people, and I trust God and I
love people. But I don't, I don't, I don't reverse it.
(06:52):
They may not be living up to the angels of
their higher nature Martin, so I love them.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Scrowing won't change your life, but subscribing, just tap that
button and stay connected to conversations that can't. Now back
to my.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Legacy, Sterling, your incredible edge of your seat, literally TV
series Paradise shows us there you go. It shows us
what a world on the brink looks like and what
humanity does in the aftermath of that. After bringing that
story to life, what did you come away believing about
(07:32):
how we can still find hope? We're still talking about
this hope even when the world feels chaotic.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Youoo boy, Let's see. I feel like.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Natural disasters are catastrophes or whatever, have a way of
bringing out, in a lot of ways, the best of humanity.
When you see the support and people wanting to be
in community with one another to transcend obstacles. Right, and
then our can also bring out a very profound selfishness,
and so you get a chance to see like a
dichotomy that transpires even within the context of our show.
(08:09):
And sort of bringing that back to what the rever
is talking about, like, we have to be able to
show people that life is not a zero sum gang,
that things that may be of benefit for me or
for one particular group don't necessarily mean that another group
of people are going to be lose something. That the
high tide can lift all boats right. And I think
(08:29):
that what I do as a storyteller, through media or whatnot,
is one of the ways in which we are able
to expose folks to another walk of life or another
facet of humanity that they may not have had an
opportunity to bear witness to personally. So through books, through
our education, through the stories that we tell, through the
(08:50):
things that we watch, through enlightenment, through spiritual enlightenment, we
can gain an understanding of our connections to other people.
And I think that's probably why there's been such an
interesting war on the text that people have and trying
to keep certain texts, you know, from being in schools
or whatnot, because these texts are like, oh, Wow, these
(09:10):
things transpired, and there's probably a way in which I
can see myself connected to someone. I've had so many
people come up to me, whether it's in paradise, so
this is us, et cetera, and they don't look anything
like me, and they'll be like, I'm Randall, I am Xavier,
I am and I'm like, really because I thought he
was a black dude. They're like, no, no, no, no. You
may be planning. But like so many things, there's a
(09:33):
universal part of humanity that people are able to see
and connect with. I feel like the more that we
can just sort of foster that connection and sort of
dismantle this veil of separation, because it's easy to dehumanize
someone that you don't see as yourself. You see yourself
(09:53):
in them, then you can't dismiss them anymore, and you
can't sort of like make it into like you're a loser,
I'm a way or whatnot, like you try to find
a way for everybody to win, Like we can all win. Man.
It's it's so clear to me, right, but it's you know,
I'm out of the veil. Rev also talk about things
(10:14):
to do in this time. Don't watch the news, all day.
The news is bad news. That's what like what sort
of like people click into. Fear is a powerful easy
motivator that like gets clicks and likes and all the
kinds of things. And then the algorithm just starts to
swirl and you just get more and more. You go
(10:35):
into a rabbit hole of negativity. Unplug from that, you know,
spend time and meditation, spend time focused on the presence, right,
and so it can lift you out and transmute that energy.
Don't be uninformed, but don't be day loosed by it either.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Right in the middle round, peez it conditions your mind.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
Well, one thing that always brings us together is music.
And we cannot end this this episode. We're talking about
music because you know, we know how important it is
to rev and agape, you know, to the movement to
us at home. So I have to ask each of you,
what song, particularly right now, is your go to song
(11:24):
if you want to amp up, if you want to
rise up, if you want to uplift yourself.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
There's two and.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
There's one that we were shooting late night on Paradise.
I could tell my crew and everybody was getting a
little tired. It was about two o'clock in the morning
and things were taking a little longer than what they
were supposed to. But it's real quiet, and we were
outside doing this carnival scene and I started playing Phil Collins.
I can feel it coming in the air of night
(11:53):
and when the drum, when the drum kicks in, the
poo boo boom, like everybody got hype and we were
able to finish.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
So that's always a good drum kick.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
It takes about two minutes to get to him, but
it's great. And Pharrell has a song right now with
this choir called Joy Unspeakable nod your boy gets real,
real hype off of If you don't know it, check
it out.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It is wonderful. Yeah, I would say it isn't obviously
he's a lot. But one is Happy Feelings by Frankie
Beverly because he speaks about one. You know, he says,
I have myself to remind me about love. Has these
happy feelings that he wants to spread around the world.
(12:36):
And the next verse he talks about he seemed the
light and he has to shine it around the world.
I just always feel very connected to that song. And
I used to see him live, but I went to
the you know, New Orleans Jazz Festival, and you know,
so I have a certain resonance with it. And then
I can't leave out Stevie. You know Stevie Wonder as
you know, he comes to a gope with friends, and
(12:59):
so I always like play, as I like playing, I
am singing. You know, there's the certain notes that he
has that you know, there's songs in the key of life.
I just did a talk in Bali and they had
me walk out unhappy by Pharrell.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
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Speaker 8 (13:28):
Something I've attempted to apply and had to I guess losing.
Dad had ten and my grandmother at sixteen, both by
assassin's bullets.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So I had to chose, because there's a.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Choice, chose to love as opposed to hate, and chose
to forgive. But Dad used to say, also, so how
do we find that hope? How do we engage at
this extraordinarily difficult time for so many across our nation
(14:07):
and world.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Putting the big question on me? Are you?
Speaker 6 (14:11):
I know you can answer it?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So like your dad talked about a dream that he
had had, you know, So when you look at the
state of the affairs, there are individuals that are lost
in the sauce. There is no visionary leadership basically describing
a kind and just global society or a kind of
just global nation, kind of just global state or city.
(14:34):
Everyone is fighting at the level of the experience of separation.
So the way that you have hope is you have
to have a vision of what you're looking, what you're
trying to build, and you have to be able to
articulate that. You have to be able to feel it
so that your language and your actions are in league
with the vision. Other than that, you're just spinning in circles.
(14:56):
And so we have a dearth of a the political
leadership right now in which there is no vision of
unity and great possibility of working together and great synergies.
It's more divisive. So that we as as citizens, we
have to articulate that vision, and we have to make
sure in our own circles that there is forgiveness, there's
(15:20):
a sense of unity, there's a sense of what are
we working for. Because one of the things that I've
taught over the years is that your pain pushes you
until your vision pulls you. And once you have a vision,
you're pulled by a future, a destiny. As Sterling was
saying earlier, what God sees in you, you're pulled by that.
(15:40):
Most people. I don't want to get too scientific here,
but you know, in the Newtonian model, people always deal
with the fact that their president is caused by their past.
But in the quantum level, your future is there as well.
It's right, and you have to be pulled by that.
And so vision pulls you into your future. Sure that's
(16:00):
already nestled within your own heart and soul. So when
you hear your father talking about I have a dream,
there was a resonance, a frequency of possibility in the
midst of of of racism and hate and bigotry. You
know there was there's a resonance of what he could
see and feel. And so this stone of hope is vision,
(16:22):
in the articulation of vision, and then asking ourselves, you know,
what is it that's mine to do? Everybody can't do everything,
everybody can do something. You know, what is it that's
mine to do in my particular walk of life. That's
going to bring hope, It's going to bring inspiration, it's
going to bring upliftment. That's going to bring unity and
as we all begin to live at that level, which
(16:45):
is difficult when people are caught being seduced, intimidated, and
provoked by fear, doubt, worry, in separation. You know, once
you get people in fear, you can control them. Or
once you bring people into inspiration of hope, they become
on control. Creativity begins to happen.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah, m hm, creativity happens.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Love that.
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This is my legacy. In this bonus drop, Reverend Michael
beck With and Sterling K. Brown dive into how we
stay lifted when the world feels heavy. They reveal how
to turn fear into faith, pain into purpose, and separation
into love. Let's jump in.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So, Rev, what what stood out to you about Sterling
spirit and character when you first started getting to know him.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Uh, he's he's he's even though he's an actor, he's
not acting, you know, he's very honest. He's himself and
it's a lot of it was jovial. I remember we
had some event at Agape and he was just always
ready to to serve in his capacity. He was just
ready to be there fully and completely, very very approachable.
(00:48):
And both of them, him and his wife are very
smart people. I like smart people, and they're very they're
very you know, I don't mean like high falutin, but
it's very very intelligent folk. But I would say his
his sense of confidence, his sense of integrity, he just
seemed to be himself and I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Rev, You've spent at least forty years building a global
ministry and movement. So how has your message changed and evolved?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well? I think that it has evolved based on my
own evolution and my own integration of my oneness with
the presence of God. The basic message never changes, which
we are all emanations of the Most High God, the
Living One, the Divine Presence. Each has chosen to be
(01:50):
here on this planet to represent this presence according to
our uniqueness, and that our uniqueness is our spiritual superpower.
Because there's no one exactly like us, So the great
God of the universe, you know, wants to know itself
as us. And so my attention from the beginning and
still to this day, even though I have, you know,
(02:12):
larger visions, is to help build the individual that that's
why I'm here. Like i've I've seen something that I
can't unsee, you know, when I had my first spiritual awakening.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
And then over the years more and.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
More deepening into that which is very real, very authentic.
I can't unsee that, and I have such a desire
within myself for people to see it. I don't mean
with physical eyes, but to see it with their awareness
who they are, what they represent, and how they are
here to contribute to the to the planet. Everyone is
(02:51):
here is to bring a contribution, and so I think
that I've become more articulated and reminding people that there's
an insidious prison that we live in, and that's in
our own mind of of separation from God, which leads
to feared out worry. A belief in separation can lead
to hate, bigotry, all matter of things. This sense of
(03:14):
separation can be projected into the world and then subsequent
actions can be taken based on that sense of separation. So,
but the basic message has stayed the same, and then
my own growth in it it has become, it becomes
more and more integrated, just based on my own spiritual practice.
So I'm unshakable with what I've seen, and so I
(03:37):
become unshakable in seeing the potential in people. I can
see it, you know, I can see the Christ's presence
in individuals, and so I have a way of just
being around people, sometimes not even doing anything. I'm not
even speaking, but I can, I can. I can help
pull it out just based on what I see. And
(03:59):
so many people obviously are looking for flaws and people.
They're looking for that. They live in a protective consciousness
to try to protect themselves, so they don't really have
the opportunity to see the truth about people. So I
just see reality in people. I can see through their
own ceilings. There is the Christ, the hope of glory,
(04:21):
if that's what you want to call it, the presence
of God within us, and every religion has their own
name for it. And that's not just metaphor or prose
or religious writings. That's the truth of our being. So
every week I'm disguided to hit the basic message and
then deal with whatever's going on in a person's life
(04:43):
or in the world on the world scene, the political saying.
You know, it will show me how to handle that
without offending people, but definitely uplifting people, as you just
said recently, Martin, lifting us to our higher nature, the
angels of our higher nature, you see. So so so I'm
always I'm always on the edge of my own growth.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I remember having part of this conversation with you before
because I asked similar a similar question. Would you say
that possibly in the past you would have passed off
these ideas of these downloads that you have from spirit
and credit them to other people, just in case you
thought people thought that it was too strange. And now
you're like, I own it all, Like.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I am absolutely that is that is, you're absolutely articulating
part of my own growth. Man. The first five years,
maybe even longer, as speaking at a gape, I would
assign certain inspirations to a teacher and I would say
as so, and so said as so and so said,
you know, but I wouldn't I wouldn't quite own it.
(05:44):
I'd have to quote somebody or pretend that I was
quoting somebody. But today I can stand fully me. You know,
I know what I've gone through. I know what I
go through, I know the inner changes one has to
go through to embody that kind of energy, and I
know who I am, and it has nothing to do
with ego. It has something that just knowing who you are.
(06:05):
You know, I know, I know. I know that the
presence of God is love and loves us all, and
that God's eyes are too pure to behold inequity. God
only sees the potential in all of us. And and
I've had to learn to do that for myself. So
in terms of evolution, I've had to learn to uh
develop such an inner self worth that I can receive
(06:28):
and then I could just be me, you know. And
that's that was a growing edge for me. Why does
everybody love me. It's like, I'm just like, WHOA, what's
going on? You know? And I couldn't take it in
at first. Now I just, I just I just love
God and love people, and I trust God and I
love people. But I don't, I don't, I don't reverse it.
(06:52):
They may not be living up to the angels of
their higher nature Martin, so I love them.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Scrowing won't change your life, but subscribing, just tap that
button and stay connected to conversations that can't. Now back
to my.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Legacy, Sterling, your incredible edge of your seat, literally TV
series Paradise shows us there you go. It shows us
what a world on the brink looks like and what
humanity does in the aftermath of that. After bringing that
story to life, what did you come away believing about
(07:32):
how we can still find hope? We're still talking about
this hope even when the world feels chaotic.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Youoo boy, Let's see. I feel like.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Natural disasters are catastrophes or whatever, have a way of
bringing out, in a lot of ways, the best of humanity.
When you see the support and people wanting to be
in community with one another to transcend obstacles. Right, and
then our can also bring out a very profound selfishness,
and so you get a chance to see like a
dichotomy that transpires even within the context of our show.
(08:09):
And sort of bringing that back to what the rever
is talking about, like, we have to be able to
show people that life is not a zero sum gang,
that things that may be of benefit for me or
for one particular group don't necessarily mean that another group
of people are going to be lose something. That the
high tide can lift all boats right. And I think
(08:29):
that what I do as a storyteller, through media or whatnot,
is one of the ways in which we are able
to expose folks to another walk of life or another
facet of humanity that they may not have had an
opportunity to bear witness to personally. So through books, through
our education, through the stories that we tell, through the
(08:50):
things that we watch, through enlightenment, through spiritual enlightenment, we
can gain an understanding of our connections to other people.
And I think that's probably why there's been such an
interesting war on the text that people have and trying
to keep certain texts, you know, from being in schools
or whatnot, because these texts are like, oh, Wow, these
(09:10):
things transpired, and there's probably a way in which I
can see myself connected to someone. I've had so many
people come up to me, whether it's in paradise, so
this is us, et cetera, and they don't look anything
like me, and they'll be like, I'm Randall, I am Xavier,
I am and I'm like, really because I thought he
was a black dude. They're like, no, no, no, no. You
may be planning. But like so many things, there's a
(09:33):
universal part of humanity that people are able to see
and connect with. I feel like the more that we
can just sort of foster that connection and sort of
dismantle this veil of separation, because it's easy to dehumanize
someone that you don't see as yourself. You see yourself
(09:53):
in them, then you can't dismiss them anymore, and you
can't sort of like make it into like you're a loser,
I'm a way or whatnot, like you try to find
a way for everybody to win, Like we can all win. Man.
It's it's so clear to me, right, but it's you know,
I'm out of the veil. Rev also talk about things
(10:14):
to do in this time. Don't watch the news, all day.
The news is bad news. That's what like what sort
of like people click into. Fear is a powerful easy
motivator that like gets clicks and likes and all the
kinds of things. And then the algorithm just starts to
swirl and you just get more and more. You go
(10:35):
into a rabbit hole of negativity. Unplug from that, you know,
spend time and meditation, spend time focused on the presence, right,
and so it can lift you out and transmute that energy.
Don't be uninformed, but don't be day loosed by it either.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Right in the middle round, peez it conditions your mind.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
Well, one thing that always brings us together is music.
And we cannot end this this episode. We're talking about
music because you know, we know how important it is
to rev and agape, you know, to the movement to
us at home. So I have to ask each of you,
what song, particularly right now, is your go to song
(11:24):
if you want to amp up, if you want to
rise up, if you want to uplift yourself.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
There's two and.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
There's one that we were shooting late night on Paradise.
I could tell my crew and everybody was getting a
little tired. It was about two o'clock in the morning
and things were taking a little longer than what they
were supposed to. But it's real quiet, and we were
outside doing this carnival scene and I started playing Phil Collins.
I can feel it coming in the air of night
(11:53):
and when the drum, when the drum kicks in, the
poo boo boom, like everybody got hype and we were
able to finish.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
So that's always a good drum kick.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
It takes about two minutes to get to him, but
it's great. And Pharrell has a song right now with
this choir called Joy Unspeakable nod your boy gets real,
real hype off of If you don't know it, check
it out.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It is wonderful. Yeah, I would say it isn't obviously
he's a lot. But one is Happy Feelings by Frankie
Beverly because he speaks about one. You know, he says,
I have myself to remind me about love. Has these
happy feelings that he wants to spread around the world.
(12:36):
And the next verse he talks about he seemed the
light and he has to shine it around the world.
I just always feel very connected to that song. And
I used to see him live, but I went to
the you know, New Orleans Jazz Festival, and you know,
so I have a certain resonance with it. And then
I can't leave out Stevie. You know Stevie Wonder as
you know, he comes to a gope with friends, and
(12:59):
so I always like play, as I like playing, I
am singing. You know, there's the certain notes that he
has that you know, there's songs in the key of life.
I just did a talk in Bali and they had
me walk out unhappy by Pharrell.
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Speaker 8 (13:28):
Something I've attempted to apply and had to I guess losing.
Dad had ten and my grandmother at sixteen, both by
assassin's bullets.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So I had to chose, because there's a.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Choice, chose to love as opposed to hate, and chose
to forgive. But Dad used to say, also, so how
do we find that hope? How do we engage at
this extraordinarily difficult time for so many across our nation
(14:07):
and world.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Putting the big question on me? Are you?
Speaker 6 (14:11):
I know you can answer it?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So like your dad talked about a dream that he
had had, you know, So when you look at the
state of the affairs, there are individuals that are lost
in the sauce. There is no visionary leadership basically describing
a kind and just global society or a kind of
just global nation, kind of just global state or city.
(14:34):
Everyone is fighting at the level of the experience of separation.
So the way that you have hope is you have
to have a vision of what you're looking, what you're
trying to build, and you have to be able to
articulate that. You have to be able to feel it
so that your language and your actions are in league
with the vision. Other than that, you're just spinning in circles.
(14:56):
And so we have a dearth of a the political
leadership right now in which there is no vision of
unity and great possibility of working together and great synergies.
It's more divisive. So that we as as citizens, we
have to articulate that vision, and we have to make
sure in our own circles that there is forgiveness, there's
(15:20):
a sense of unity, there's a sense of what are
we working for. Because one of the things that I've
taught over the years is that your pain pushes you
until your vision pulls you. And once you have a vision,
you're pulled by a future, a destiny. As Sterling was
saying earlier, what God sees in you, you're pulled by that.
(15:40):
Most people. I don't want to get too scientific here,
but you know, in the Newtonian model, people always deal
with the fact that their president is caused by their past.
But in the quantum level, your future is there as well.
It's right, and you have to be pulled by that.
And so vision pulls you into your future. Sure that's
(16:00):
already nestled within your own heart and soul. So when
you hear your father talking about I have a dream,
there was a resonance, a frequency of possibility in the
midst of of of racism and hate and bigotry. You
know there was there's a resonance of what he could
see and feel. And so this stone of hope is vision,
(16:22):
in the articulation of vision, and then asking ourselves, you know,
what is it that's mine to do? Everybody can't do everything,
everybody can do something. You know, what is it that's
mine to do in my particular walk of life. That's
going to bring hope, It's going to bring inspiration, it's
going to bring upliftment. That's going to bring unity and
as we all begin to live at that level, which
(16:45):
is difficult when people are caught being seduced, intimidated, and
provoked by fear, doubt, worry, in separation. You know, once
you get people in fear, you can control them. Or
once you bring people into inspiration of hope, they become
on control. Creativity begins to happen.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah, m hm, creativity happens.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
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