February 8, 2022 • 52 mins
Did Lil' Kim go to the hospital to get her stomach pumped after a night with the Wu-Tang Clan? Langston and his guest Kofi Thomas (Pause with Sam Jay) go down and pop open this classic hip hop urban legend.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Why isn't Bill ni addressing this in any of his
television programs? Do you know, You're like, why why are
you sitting here? You're still teaching me how to make
fucking volcanoes out of bacon, soda and vinegar that I'm
trying to see how much come it takes for a
belly to be fool. Bill Nights are racist money stuff.
(00:47):
I can't tell me. Bang bang bang, skeet, skeet skeet.
There it is, there, it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
to another phenomenal episode of My Amma Told Me, the
podcast where we dive deep, keep into the pockets of
black conspiracy theories, and we finally work to prove that
(01:09):
Peebo Bryson is a terrible name, poor a person, but
a wonderful name for a very obedient police dog. It
is the type of name that you want to hear
an officer yell out right before he bites a black
person in the leg. That is That's the theory I'm
spreading poor Peobo. But you know he had some classic hips.
(01:31):
He he did all right for himself. People was doing
fun with that goddamn dog name. I'm your host, Slankston
Kerman as always, I'm I'm coming in hot, baby. This
is how I do. Don't pretend like you don't know
how I behave. I'm doing me, baby. I'm excited. I'm
fucking excited today because my guest. My guest is a
dear friend, a person I've known for many years, all
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the way back to when I was living in Boston.
I lived in Boston for for some time, and he
was he was sort of a king of Boston, if
you will. He was a man. He's from Boston, but man,
he was a man who knew Boston. He walked the
streets and he pointed people, and people be like, hey,
oh ship you here. That's tight. Oh man, oh oh.
(02:16):
They make noises like that, just in in enthusiasm at
his presence. He's so funny. You know him from his
appearances on Jesus and Merrill, on on Pause with Sam j.
He is also on the fucking this is what's so
amazing about this gentleman. He's on the goddamn Advisory Board
of Urban Agriculture in New York City. That's insane. And
he is the director of a few community gardens in
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Brooklyn and otherwise a dear friend, so funny. Give it
up for my friend Mr Kofy Thomas Wild Or's some Homi,
what's something man good good saying hey you helly. I
was hoping you're gonna keep the accident going now and
then they just didn't know that you don't talk like
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that for the entire episode. No, no, no, we speaking
young k talk already lost, So I already lost some
of y'all. Keep up, Yeah, Nick, keep keep up, and
I'll go back to my to my my hood binocular.
What's up everybody out there. Yeah, I'm very excited you're here.
And I'm even more excited because you came with a
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conspiracy theory that is it's both lofty in nature but
also very I think it. It covers a lot of
territory in terms of hip hop rumors and and sort
of legend. And I've actually added or reshaped the title
a bit to make it so that it's all encompassing
for some of the things that we're going to talk about.
(03:42):
But you said, my mama told me the legend of
Leo Kim, tell me all of the legend that you know.
So this is and let me let me and let
me playing the picture. Okay, is that whispers in the dark,
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little Jim. This is a time when when people had
on a freshman prayer of luxe boots. When when when
you got excited to see the jet beauty of the week.
All right, so this is so, this is a time,
this is a climate of us. All right, you you
heard something you weren't thinking. Let me go try and
check a smartphone. It wasn't that it was it was
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it was excitement, and it was who else can I
tell about this? You know? Because then you felt like
you had an insight to the streets if you could
then tell somebody who didn't know what was going on there.
There was a to what you're describing. There was a
point in our society before the Internet really or social
media really had taken over, where you could legitimately be
(04:49):
in charge of what another person knew. And it was
a real power that that no longer exists because we
all have a Twitter feed that can easily break our
brains quicker and more effectively. Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's
not nearly as fun when you can just debunk something
so quickly, and it's and it really was magical to have,
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like any young middle school kid with the power to
like shift the conversation of the entire school for a
day to come in hot with the rumor that like
his cousin told him. And then by like third period,
everybody was like murmuring and whispering like what what Derek
it told him. Yeah, So that was And then it
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was so cool about the source was like if you said,
you know, like my boy um the one and his
cousin was in the game, so you know, it's come
back with good stories. So whatever he'd come back, people
be like, like, what's going on out there? Almost like
he was like like he was the plug talking about
let's they talking about right? So and it's funny because
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it's like like you could almost just see people whispering
around like the you know, around like recess and like
the lunch room. And and then the story when it
got to me was I heard, I heard, Oh I
love the tension. I just love your building. God damn it.
Go ahead that little Kim. Little Kim had to get
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her stomach pumped because she had so much semen from
blowing the Wu Tang clan. Whoa, okay, this is okay,
this didn't go exactly where I thought it was gonna
go because this is actually and I'm so happy it
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went where it went. Please do not take this as
me pushing back kofy. Don't you dare take it that
I won't. I'll let you. I won't let you. What
I'll say is I had heard the rumor of her
having sucked so many dicks that she had to get
her stomach pumped. And I had heard the rumor of
her son, of her fucking every member of the Wu
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Tang clan. I had not heard that those were one
in the same. M M, so it's one of those things.
Were like, are these are these separate incidents or was
it one day full of heat and has been fornication,
you know, in the back of a tour bus, and
then she blew them. But she would have to have
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blown them before the show happened, because I heard that
she passed out then has to get it pumped that
she had a show. Let's let's just paint the picture
for the audience as clearly as possible. In theory, the
suggestion that that this person brought to you in middle school,
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to your lunch table, is that little Kim before a
show was like, I need to suck some dicks who's
around every member of Wu Tang perfect, bring those fellas
back to this tour bus. And she proceeded to suck
every single dick so often because there's no way just
sucking uh nine dicks at the time. I believe by
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this time all dirty Gaster had to have been dead.
Nine dicks would have filled her stomach to the brim.
So she sucked every dick over and over again toil
it was full. And then she went out to perform.
And at the performance is when she passed out, and
then subsequently had to go to the hospital to get
her stomach pumped right, a very rare, serious, severe medical procedure.
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And and and what was I think also what was
so delightful about their story was when you heard that
in middle school, you didn't like, You didn't question it
in terms of, oh, are you sure like? Was it
was inspected? Was inspected? Deck there like doing that? It
was its back to Deck has a family. He would
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never do that to his wife and his children. He
would not turn his back. And I know you got
personally he's got God in the name, he believes in it.
He's an about Christian with a couple of bodies leave
him out of this. So there was none of that
trying to to to retort or debunk it. It was
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it was an excitement about the possibilities of women out there,
who could who could for late in a way, because
we don't even know what the blowjob was. We weren't,
none of us, to my knowledge, we're even coming yet,
so we didn't know. Wait a minute, hold on, I'm
gonna stop you, because that's how they get you. If
you ain't coming, that's how they get you. Anyway, tell
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the rest of your story. You know, I don't know
who got me. I don't, but that's how they get you. Yeah,
But as far as I could tell, because we were
like we were, we were fifth grade, So everybody's about
ten years old, so nobody's coming, right, and that they
could be lying about it, but nobody is coming, so
they lied about it, right. So I'm like, so we
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don't even know how much seemen it would take for
someone to need their stomach to medically be pumped, so
we're just believing it on the on the on the
strength of yo, this is so wild and also like
what kind of like amazing world is outside when we
get older, well, when a woman are blowing so many
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guys at a time that they got to get it
pumped and all the wu tang is together and like
they're tighten friends and getting blown as friends. Oh man,
you know what I will say that you just articulated
uh something about this that I don't think I had
ever considered or at least it. Maybe it's because of
when I originally heard this, is that it I think
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I heard it at an older age. I think it
came to you a little younger than I got it,
And I think because of that some of that magic,
that twinkle in my eye had had been lost, But
for you there was like a beauty to this where
it's like when I become a big man, I can
I can be around all my favorite artists getting my
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dick sucked by by women and who who will go
until until they literally can't go anymore? Right, which is
just being so uh so amazed by like hearing somebody
climbs Mount Everest. You know, at the time, I think
the most I've never like, like, I never even thought
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about somebody being that being that passionate about about anything. Yeah,
she had to have really loved dick sucking in a
way that that that you know, you Malcolm Gladwell talks
about ten thousand hours and she had to have been
willing to put in her ten thousand for for dick sucking. Yeah, yeah,
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that was that was that That night was her tipping point.
She went through the thirty six chambers and then stopped
just kept sucking and sucking. Okay, so so you this person,
uh what'd you say? His name was the wand what
what was? The Wan had an older cousin who was
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in a gang, and he used to always have like
the latest info on the streets, all the stuff that
King Magazine wasn't publishing. He had it exclusive. So the
wind comes, he says this to you and your your
classmate size him at this table. Do you then go
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on to help spread this this rumor? Or are you like,
I'm gonna keep this close to the chest and this
is just this just for kofe? Now, I mean I
took a moment, you know, just just to inhale it,
you know, just to be present. But after it was
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really the type of that type of scene where like
you're smiling and you look up and you look around
the room and everybody's talking about it, and this thing is,
this thing is has already has already made its way
around the school. You ain't gonna tell nobody. Everybody's talking
about it. This isn't this isn't a thing where like
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you you have even the chance to uh to be
the rumor spreader, because the rumor has already taken hold
and and done done the zombie bite around the room.
That's what I was thinking. It's like it was, It's
just like that. It's it's just like you know, Will
Smith looking around, but everyone's talking about little Kim blown
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blue tank. You mean, right at the end of at
the end, when he's looking at the apartment the house
for the last time, everybody talking about look kimful thing. Yeah,
she's a legend. J is a legend. And I don't
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know that this is the legend that she wanted for herself.
I don't know that this is this is the legend
little Kim imagine, but maybe it is. Maybe maybe in
your mind, this is exactly where she wanted to be. Yeah,
I mean, and she has and she said things and
songs that are i'd say, almost equally as impressive in
terms of sexual acumen to that. So I mean I wouldn't.
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I don't. I don't remember her trying to like hop
on the TV like that never happened, So I don't
know if it against her her image of time because
because that poster, like the iconic poster, I feel was
like somewhere around there too, and that was sending a
lot of young boys into men. Me included imagination was
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running wild. I do love the idea that you feel
like Little Kim should be getting on television and being
like that Nigga do Win is lying whatever is guys
that told him? Is that true? I didn't suck off
master Killer. I I an upstanding woman. Yes, I Little
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Kim kind of growthy denied everything the one and his
big head cousin said about me. There's a lot of
ship coming out of Dorchester, which which I don't know
about because I'm not from that area. But I've heard
a lot of ship and I just want to address
it here with you on TRL. Right, you, Carson Bailey,
get the exclusive about me little Kim Queen be I might,
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I might do some howish things, but I I am
not a hoe and I do not know who tag
like that. Fuck you fuck you the wrong, you personally
your little ten year old ass. Fuck you all right,
We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more Kofe,
Thomas and more, my mama told me. And we are
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not no, no, We're back here with Marco Vi, Thomas more.
My mama told me. We're still talking about the possibility
that little Kim sucked so many dicks, specifically woul Tang
clan member dicks, that she eventually needed to get her
stomach pumped, had to go to the hospital and ruin
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that show for a lot of fans, has there ever
been a point now considering the rumor, considering what Dwan
told you, where you started to second guess the possibility
of this being true where you went. I don't know
if Dwan was being completely straight with me that day, honest,
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old the older I get, I haven't lost any of
my love for the rumor. I've only kind of tempered
it a little bit to say, maybe it was just
like a couple members of I can concede it's not plausible,
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plausible for them all to be in the same place
at the same time, but it is well within reason.
At that time, everyone's party together. They were at a
party something happened. They got very intimate, and to this day,
I don't know if there's a limit to how much
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semen smoke as well. Maybe she had, you know, an
alleged reaction. There's a lot of things that could have
happened when she had to get her stomach pumped. It
doesn't mean that she didn't blow more than one member
of the Wu Tang clan. Sure that she could have
still blown multiple members of the Wu Tang clan. Even
if you're being you're coming in this with with the
rational mind, you're saying, there's still a possibility she blew
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multiple members. And maybe she didn't need to have her
stomach pump, but merely did have to go to the
hospital for some sort of like difficulties relating to those
those penises exactly exactly, And and it's it's also one
of those things where where where nobody to this day,
in my entire life, has ever tried to even prove
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me wrong. Nobody from the world, nobody from Kim's camp, nobody,
not Little Sees, nobody. And the rumors were around the
quantity of it, and you know that's not something that
we know. I know, people get stomach hates all the time,
you know. I know, people get all kinds of food allergies.
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Sometimes I eat some, you know, sometimes if I get like,
you know, like a street burrito, you might have to
you know, be on the toilet. So who knows who.
There's a lot of possibilities, that's all. It's not beyond reason.
Uh okay, Well, let's let's start to address some of
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the reasons that you're referring to these salacious rumors as
there were. According to everything that I could find, and
and Kyfe, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on this.
According to everything that I could find, there is no
evidence of little Kim having sex with all ten members
of the Wu Tang clan. I should say that I've
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sort of separated some of these conspiracies, right because I
originally understood them as separate things. So I'm going to
address the conspiracy separately, but you feel free to address
them however you need to. I'm ready to finally get
to the bottom. Yeah. Yeah, there's no evidence. Traditional evidence. Now,
you and I both know traditional evidence ain't always how
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it works, you know what I mean, Like there's there's
there's facts, and then there's facts and it is a,
it's a what I've been saved. There's a whole lot
of I heard, there's a lot of word. She didn't
say nothing about it. So apparently because I there is
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no evidence necessarily of her having sex with all time members. However,
to my surprise, and this got me really excited, there
does seem to have been I was able to track
down a bit of an origin story for where this
story might have come from. I did not anticipate finding this.
I thought it was just gonna be complete nonsense. But
apparently in April of a person named Nathan Sellers was
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on an episode of Divorce Court. I assume you're a
big fan of Divorce Court. You you know the show? Well?
U on Divorce Court, this person, Nathan Seller's accused his
a strange girlfriend of sleeping with every member of the
Wu Tang clan. He went on divorce Court to say, A,
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you nasty whore. You've hurt me in a way that
can never be undone because you had sex with literally
every member of the Wu Tang claim boom. I mean,
I don't want to say exhibit A, but y'all out
there herritt So we've all so we have just established
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in our public court of opinion that the Wu Tang
clan has on more than one occasion allegedly been together
for a sexual act. Okay, so you hear this and
you go, well, this ain't little Kim, but this is
evidence that they would do it previous to this and
or after this, which means that Little Kim very well
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could still be on the table. Oh yes, that just
increased the possibility because because previously, any member of the will,
whether it be ghost Face, whether it be reside, could
have said, we don't do that. But now illeginally you
did that. You did that to somebody's wife who's now
getting divorce. You broke up a happy home, and y'all
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are gonna have to pay for this eventually. So, uh,
Leah palm quizt is the accused woman's name, and she's
saying on on divorce court she said, there is in
fact no basis to this story that this gentleman Nathan Sellers,
who was a black man, and Leo palm quiz is
a white woman. I don't know why those facts matter,
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but they do to me. I think it's especial and
happy Black History Month everybody, honestly. But so she said
there that that's not true. She said she went to
a Wu Tang Clan show where she was able to
meet them the members. After the show, she managed to
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get to sneak backstage and then onto their tour bus,
where they later went to a hotel room and partied
until seven am. They partied together until seven am. Now, Leah,
this is where I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Leah
also claims that the quote unquote partying included them spending
hours talking about politics. Leah says that they spent lots
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of hours talking about politics and and that uh it
was not actually sex. Mm hmm. Okay, okay, okay, now
let me now, let me just let me just let
me just put this out there, okay, to everybody out there,
right to the jury. If I tell you, okay, if
I tell you, I went to Red Lobster, Okay. And
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I was there till two in the morning, all right,
And I came home, but I said I didn't eat
any biscuits. Would you believe me? That's that is what
we are dealing with. Him, Leah, Leah, Liah Hall of
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family whatever whatever, whatever. Her last name is, pala Man.
She there is no and this type of thing that
I know, we're like people will put up like a
little bit of truth then to a story so that
you don't know that they're lying. So she tried to
put in the fact that they were talking about politics,
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which is believable because I could see, like I could
see Rison talking about politics for like way too long,
you know, like like going from like talking about like
how there's parallels between between like the Shawling and and
local politics and like and we all know, we all
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know ray Kuan's running for city council. We know that
they're they're passionate about politics, right support his campigny ray
Kun is definitely out there city council. Yeah, so that's
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I feel so like that part, like that little bit
of truth is that throw you off the scent of
it being a lot, you know, because there and there's
again you don't you don't sneak backstage, sneak all the
sneak and sneak backstage, sneak onto the tool bus, stay
to the hotel till seven in the morning. No, and
then they were all in the same hotel room, all
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the members, right, And I will say that is the
odd part of this story is is the the way
that they all sort of like continue to hang out
together for the whole of the night feels a little
bit like one of two things happened. Either y'all were
having sex with this woman and that was the reason
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that you decided to kick it all night, and it
was specifically for being able to like run this odd
super train, or alternatively, you don't know what the Wu
Tang claim members look like, and so there were just
ten niggas around you, and you were like, yeah, Ray
Mama was there and space and and it was like,
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now you were just hanging out with Inspector Deck all
night and end of his friends. But you thought it
was the Woutanglan Yo. That that's that's so hilariously plausible,
going to be like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm hanging out
with the Liza with specsa a quit. Yeah, they're all here,
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and dudes would do that, We would lie why yeah, yeah,
I mean yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean I'm in
the boutang come back to our hotel. I remember being
in college and going to Michigan and there was a
point where we would go to like white frat parties
and because the white kids didn't actually know what the
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football team looked like. If enough black dude showed up
at one time, they would assume we were football players.
And are fully remember leaning into being like our star
running back for the sake of benefiting from whatever energy
I could get, you know, pussy drinks, whatever, it didn't matter.
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Good good on you using that car, black bro. Yeah,
I'm I'm from Boston, Dorchester. So I've been, you know,
confused by the black people my entire life. And there's
been times when I've walked up to bars and they've
been like, oh, like, oh, you here early from Kanye's party,
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and I was like, yes, I've sat in v I
P for like an hour before Kanye and his party
came to a bar way back when because they thought
I was, Oh, you're black, so you must have been
with Kanye earlier party. Yeah, I've been letting two bars
into Oh after a Boston Celtics game, I can go
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to a ball and and and people be like oh yeah,
like same thing. Oh yeah, we got your section ready.
I'll go to session, have a couple of drinks and
then when like this is back in the day, So
then like like Walter McCarty and like Rigond Rondo came
in and I was like, yo, what up and daped
him up, and they just sapped me up because I'm
the black guy. Oh whit, you're You're a tall dude.
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You you can you can sort of play the line
enough that they're like, I maybe he's the fifteen player
on this Celtics thing that I I don't know about,
and I can't prove it that we took advantage. And
the somethings were not good at all, so nobody really
knew their faces that way, except for like me because
I'm a huge fan. But like me and Rond, they
were like the same height, so we'd come in, dap
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them up, yeah, hang out, drank. Walter McCarty would trying
to sing like that's a whole night, oh not a party,
and under under like the confusion that I might be
another black person. Yeah. So so in theory, are are sweetheart?
Leah palm Quiz was, in fact liar palm Quiz excuse me,
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was in fact just talking politics with somebody who kind
of looked like method Man all night long. And uh,
she even has a quote. I want to read this
quote to you. She said, let me just put on
the record that Wu Tang is nothing but gentlemen. This
is what she told the court. She said, they treated
me highly respectful, and I would never cheat on him.
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I I don't even know if this is appropriate to say,
but I'd never be a bus down or a groupie
in that type of situation. I kept my lady points together,
kept my lady points together. I would never be a
groupie or a bus down in that type of situation. Okay,
here's you know. And again it's like little like she's
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she's saying too much, and that's how I know she lying.
She's talking too much, saying saying what she say about
the woud Tang. What was that quote? But nothing, nothing
but that right there, because nobody, no buddy I know,
is nothing but a gentleman. And for you to say that, no,
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Immediately in my mind I'm like, oh, they like they
dicked you down so well that you are grateful and
you don't want to jeopardize any future dick downs. So
you're like no, and you're like winking at the camera,
like no, gentle method man. He would never, he would never.
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He's he's the salt. He's assaulted. Earth's great, great guy.
And I would never do that, and they a matter
of fact, they kept bringing up how much charity work
they do about the city. He's like, yeah, no, I
don't know if they're nothing but gentlemen. I think first
and foremost they're cocaine salesman and they're gentlemen. Yeah. They
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they've said in in most of their lyrics and how
how they have cases and people to hurt, uh, and
how they're not to be fucked with. They don't say
funk with us. Yeah with us, we're very classy boys.
We have very demonati. Please keep your distance, ladies, do
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that funk with us, don't come back to our hotel room.
So this goes viral, this this clip of Leo palm
Quist and her boyfriend, so much so that when it
went viral, and I'm excited to hear your response to
this before we go to break. Interestingly enough, after it
goes viral, it gets so popular that multiple Wu Tang
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clan members actually addressed the rumors directly. There. There's a
couple of them that I would say, I think I
have four or five of them that that directly addressed
the rumors. Method man first and foremost immediately denied having
sex with her calling her, quote unquote, an older thought.
That's method Man's response to Leo palm Quiz. Rizza said
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he watched the episode and similarly said, and I ain't
been there. That that's the quote from what Riz. He said,
I ain't been there, and ghost Face kill us at
the same thing, he said, I ain't been there, and
then Massacula. This is my personal favorite. He exclaimed. They
said he yelled out, I never seen it. That's that's
what he said, I've never seen it. So this is
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four members Art Records saying that they did not fuck
Leo palm Quiz. Your thoughts, Oh, man, I ain't been there.
I've never seen it. Great answer. Somebody somebody took dictation,
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like he exclaimed, he shouted from the roofs I ain't
seen it. Yeah. I love that they like made sure
to get through that emotion. I ain't seen it. Oh
that's lovely, that's just precious. I look, I think it's
within their best interest to to publicly denouncing it. Have
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hant have Sington, have had to have been there is
only a negative to where they are, especially where with
their ambitions within acting and other media. To have something
like that out, I think that you know, they've kind
of made several efforts to kind of distance themselves from
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that facaul that image of the woo and running up
and in that type of life. So it's interesting you
say that. I think I think you're making an interesting
point because the three three of the four people we
have on record denying it are also three of the
four most or three of the most famous members of
the group. And so subsequently, may they have a little
(33:48):
bit more on the line if they agree to have
having sex with this quote unquote Older thought that like,
maybe it's to their benefit to just be like, no,
I ain't never been there, rather than to continue to
to sort of tow this line of their former selves.
Oh see big facts, big facts on that bro, bro,
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Because if they was to keep quiet, right and then
he could then he could be like, oh, it don't
really matter to him, because if it's with the image
that they want out there or even like close to it,
then they don't really give a ship who killed with this,
who killed with lee ah liar on the voice court set,
even if it gets retweeted whatever. So if something is
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possibly against your image, then you verbally denounce it. You
know what I'm saying you wait, you weigh that out. However,
if you might have done it and it's with your image,
then you might keep quiet. I don't know, like a
like a Little Kim, I don't know. I don't know
how we got that. Well. I think that's the perfect
(34:56):
way to throw us the break. We're gonna take a break.
We'll be back with Marko Be Thomas and more. My
mama told me we are Kenny Lenda Nigga a pencil. Yeah,
(35:22):
we're back here with more, Kofie, Thomas more. My mama
told me. We're still talking about the possibility that Lo
Kim could have sucked all them Woo Tang members dicks.
This is the the theory that's on the table. Kofi
does not seem to be in the least bit suede
by the story of Leah palm Quist and her denial
(35:46):
of having had sex with all nine living members of
the Wu Tang claim. Now, I want to circle us
back to Little Kim a little bit, because because we
got real lost in the weeds of this Leah palm
Quist character, one of the questions I had is how
a journey like that of Leah palm Quist might be
(36:07):
appropriated or unfairly or maybe fairly associated with Little Kim.
How does this white woman on divorce court suddenly become
the journey that Little Kim is meant to take on?
And I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that. Mm hmmm.
So how so how does she kind of how does
she take the spotnight or how does she take like
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when you say take the journey? Elaborate on this on
this seem adventure. Yes, so, I think I think there
is an argument to be made that this was not,
in fact Little Kim's story. This was just Leah palm
Quist story. Now, I know you're not making that argument.
I'm listening. I know that ain't your argument, but I
do think that that there is an argument to be
(36:52):
made that way, and I'm curious to know how you
think it it comes to be that a Leah palm
Quist story becomes Little keep story. Okay, okay, I will
I will extend. I will extend a an olive branch
here we love because yeah, yes, yes, I am merciful
(37:18):
bringing it because if again we can bring it back
to our time of of you know, of of baggy
jeans and clothes on backwards, where rumors really spread like wildfire,
and it was a bit of a giant game of
telephone where facts get misplaced and get substituted, and people's
(37:38):
names get rearranged, maybe to make something more appealing and
more exciting. And so if they're I mean, and very
well could have been I'd say the high probability that
wu tang. At the time, they're rappers, they're on top
of the world. Women are sneaking backstage and we'll do,
you know what, whatever they like at that point, you know,
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and you know, going going into that there, it's a
high possibility that some some woman got backstage. You know.
The guys had a long night, you know what I'm saying.
They decided, hey, this is one of our bonding moments,
like when you go to Thailand together, and they started
to you know, get a hotel room, do some type
(38:24):
of orgy or a train, depending on where you're from.
She she she had to go to the hospital for
I'm was still going to get her stomach pump for
some reason. But it could have been a mix of
It could have been like too much hypnotic and and
(38:45):
blowing and blowing nine dudes don't know what you don't
know what coming hypnotic mixed together is like, but oh
that's a ricking the song drank a little hip, no
throwing it up, that's ship that So so there's more
(39:08):
evidence of hypnotic and come making people sick. All right,
So I'm wish you take this woman this Leah Liar Right,
she's had this this escapade till seven in the morning,
talking politics with these great gentlemen and blowing them, gets sick,
has to go to the hospital. She just not pumped
(39:32):
people hear about that story. It's a real story. My
bad to her husband. Now we don't know, Leah, the
story is not doesn't have enough scizzle on it as
a young kid who kill some lea person. But we
already know that little Kim has been on tracks talking
(39:53):
about she could fit like a what do you say,
like like like a can in her mouth, like a
whole pepsi can wild ship. She the you know, the
guy with a hurricane tongues all this, so so she
already has that right. Olivia Olivia, our producer, immediately jumped
in to clarify that it was a stripe can. Apparently
(40:15):
we have deep branding roots with sprite and not pepsi
and she felt the need to enter Jack. This is
an odd interruption in the middle of of the thing.
I love it so much, but also shows how widely
known it is about Little Kim's blowjob skills. In the house,
(40:35):
she boasts about it. So you take those, you know,
immaculate next level blowjob skills with this story of the
whole clan getting blown and now you've got a protagonist
that is so captivating. That's like, Yo, I heard Little
Kim suck the Woo Tank clans Dix and has so
(40:57):
much seamen she has to get her stomach pumped. Yeah,
I think what you're doing makes a lot of sense.
Right in the way that, like conspiracy theory rumor often
works is that these stories track better with characters we
(41:17):
can care about. And right now, with a Leah sucking
on random members of the Wu Tang clan, we we
aren't fully invested in who Leah is. But if it's
Little Kim, or even worse if if Little Kim, if
we flip, it is sucking random dicks to the point
that she has to get her stomach pumped. There, who
(41:37):
are these men who do these dicks belong to? Where
did this come come from? These are all questions that I,
the reader, the listener, the the receiver of Dwan's rumor
want to know. But by adding characters that we know about,
I become invested all the way through, and it's it's
really a great form of publicity for all members involved.
(42:02):
Oh yeah, I think everybody involved in that story benefited.
I can't. I don't have the trusting for me, but
I'm sure all of their record sales went up, you know,
after that rumor came out school with new with new
fact and again it was it was the time when
(42:24):
it was like these were like bigger than life people
to us, and they just got like even bigger, like
oh like what a you know, what a life? What
a story that people around there, you know, doing things
like that. And Kim didn't like it wasn't any type
of shaming either of like oh I heard it. It
was like it was like it was like, yo, I
(42:46):
hope someday I can meet little Kim, Like I remember,
I remember my cousin he used to cut hair. Shout
out to my big cousin day he was doing my
hair cut. And I was a young kid and so
like I didn't have any sexy posts around my room, right,
But in the barbershop they had this post must have
been like six ft wide, and it was like that
(43:08):
little Kim post to the famous one in the leopard
print type of KINI in the squad. Nice to just
look at that, like, yeah, that's her. She she a legend,
and I do I think there there is. And I'm
cautious to say this, but there is a slight feminist
(43:29):
lens that you're putting on this in acknowledging that that
we are not shaming the person who sucked all these
dicks and in fact just saying it is a legendary
choice that was made, not one that needs to be braided.
Oh my goodness, Yes, you know, I'll take that a
step further. You know, even even back then, I was like, man,
(43:51):
I don't know you know what I'm saying, because I
wasn't there, unfortunately at my young ten year old age.
But I was like, but then if she's just remember
hearing her her lyrics and you know, just just so
musically and so passionately. I remember thinking, man, you know,
I wish I wish more, I wish more people were
like little Kim M. You know, it wasn't it wasn't
(44:13):
that she's she's something said though she's somebody to be
shown on a found upon No, I wish we had
a thousand more like passionate can swallow a spright can
just making the world hurts. I will say, because I
did some research to look up the potential validity of
(44:38):
this dick sucking rumor, as it turns out, or at
least according to the Internet, that there doesn't seem to
be a lot of correlation of Little Kim and this
this stomach pumping story right when it is fairly obvious,
as you pointed out, is that Little Kim has sucked
a fair amount of dicks uh, and she seems to
know how to tell when a dick when her bellies
(45:00):
full from dick sucking. She she doesn't. There's not a
lot of evidence of her like going overboard goldfish style
and uh and waiting until her stomach is about to
explode from in her mouth. Additionally, I will say that
I looked up how much semen comes out per load,
(45:21):
that how much a man ejaculates, and as it turns out,
it's not that much. It's somewhere between like a tea
on average, somewhere between a teaspoon and a tablespoon amount
of of come, which means that that's a whole lot
of dicks to be sucking, and that would have to
be full dicks, heavy balls to really get that stomach
(45:44):
all the way to pumping point. M m mmmm. Ok,
yeah we got so we got some medical journal facts overhead.
I didn't know he was gonna bring science to this mother, Like,
oh God, I've been honest. You caught me a little
bit off God with that whole noise in the medical
(46:04):
journal thing. All right, So because the the problem is,
I also gotta I also gotta dumb mind. So I'm
all right between between a teaspoon and a table spoon
because I always forget which one is bigger, all right
in the second league, who who is measuring who? He's
(46:25):
gonna come right into it because I was a man.
You're a tablespoon. Yeah, good for you. You got the
tablespoon spoon. Shame on you, big up. Yeah, I will,
I will say this. It only takes a tablespoon, just
just a tablespoon of bacon powder to make a whole cake.
(46:48):
So yeah, you know, I love that because I don't
know what that means. But but it's a fair point. Yeah,
and I'm I'm I'm pretty sure it's right, okay. That
the other thing that I'll say, and I can't imagine
(47:08):
at this point you could even possibly be swayed. But
the the other thing I'll say is that this rumor
apparently is not limited to Little Kim, And in fact,
when I originally pitched this show, when I originally pitched
this podcast, uh tow Big Money Players, one of the
things that we talked about was this exact rumor that
Little Kim had sucked so many dicks that she had
(47:30):
to get her stomach pumped. And the the white producer
that I was speaking to, a gentleman named Nick, said, Oh,
that's so funny, because that is a rumor that I
heard about Rod Stewart, that apparently Rod Stewart, in the
white community, is the person who sucked so many dicks
that he had to get his stomach pumped. And in fact,
(47:52):
this is a a rumor that has existed for a
number of other celebrities, including Elton John, David Bowie, Make Jagger,
and Foxy Brown, amongst the host of others. I M hmmm, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean, and I'll tell you what from hearing that
now for the first time, I'm pretty sure that's what
(48:15):
do we say, except for David Bowie and Falsey Brown
all true? Probably, like I'll put I put money on it.
There's just little Kim is not an isolated incident. People stopped,
stop stop following the media. Yeah, like this is the
(48:40):
first time it happened. And obviously a lot of times
rumors replicate life. You know, a little bit of a lie,
but a whole lot of truth. So it's not just
lead a liar who got her start pumped, and other
people throughout history have had to get pumped. And maybe
it wasn't just to come. Maybe it's a mix of
(49:00):
a long night of drugs, a few different drinks, some
hip no throwing it up, and some coming and then
you've got to get your stuff, and then of course
you want to be ill. Maybe maybe Elton John had
a big old play the gumbo and sucked a lot
of digs and now he had to get his stomach
pumped and all of that ain't come coming out of there.
See that's too much sodio. Yeah, that makes sense, that
(49:24):
makes sense. I know my medical journals too. You can't
you can't have medical journal meat. Yeah, that's that's gonna
throw off his his acid base ratio on his stomach.
I know ship, God damn well Brown, I don't believe either,
but that's a whole lot of thing. Well, Kofe, I
think you did it. I think you you made your point. No,
(49:46):
I think everybody who could who could argue with you
now given the information that you've you've sort of laid
out in front of everybody. This was a wonderful episode.
I had a lovely time with you. Could you tell
the people at home where they can find you and
what cool ship you have going on? Oh? Of course,
of course if you're looking, if you're looking for me
and more of my more of my silliness. I'm on
(50:08):
Instagram at Kofe ko f I Comic. I'm at uh
TikTok same name Twitter d a ko f I. Yeah,
I'm on all that. Then I'll be putting some videos
out a lot of funny stuff, so you know, check
it out and hit me up. Yeah, hit me up.
You got If you've got like a lot of money
and you're hiring to I'll take all that. Yeah, I got.
(50:31):
I got a whole lot of theories. If you want
to make a little mini documentary about this thing, how
I'm plugging in baby, let's go. Well, please go follow
kofe And if you've got a lot of money and
you want to hook him up, do that, and and
please support his gardens. He does beautiful work in the
community and and it needs to be supported. He's doing
(50:51):
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(51:13):
of your conspiracy theories to my mama pod at gmail
dot com. I would love to hear from you. Okay,
that's all the talking. Oh go ahead, you got the best. Sorry,
Before before we get out of here, real quick, god
to say big, big thank you to my homie Lanks.
And that's what my homie for real for all y'all
out there, don't for a long time. That's my bro bro.
So it's much love being on there. Shout out to
(51:34):
everybody back in Boston, people in Brook and all that.
So yeah, much love, Hey man, it's it's been an
absolute pleasure. You killed this. This is sub silly and
fun and we're gonna get in trouble and I'm excited
about it. All right, We did it, my bitch. Later
(52:00):
Koala Bears were racist. They also players from post the
money versus many turning stuff. Edom. I can't tell me nothing,
my lo
Why isn't Bill ni addressing this in any of his
television programs? Do you know, You're like, why why are
you sitting here? You're still teaching me how to make
fucking volcanoes out of bacon, soda and vinegar that I'm
trying to see how much come it takes for a
belly to be fool. Bill Nights are racist money stuff.
(00:47):
I can't tell me. Bang bang bang, skeet, skeet skeet.
There it is, there, it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
to another phenomenal episode of My Amma Told Me, the
podcast where we dive deep, keep into the pockets of
black conspiracy theories, and we finally work to prove that
(01:09):
Peebo Bryson is a terrible name, poor a person, but
a wonderful name for a very obedient police dog. It
is the type of name that you want to hear
an officer yell out right before he bites a black
person in the leg. That is That's the theory I'm
spreading poor Peobo. But you know he had some classic hips.
(01:31):
He he did all right for himself. People was doing
fun with that goddamn dog name. I'm your host, Slankston
Kerman as always, I'm I'm coming in hot, baby. This
is how I do. Don't pretend like you don't know
how I behave. I'm doing me, baby. I'm excited. I'm
fucking excited today because my guest. My guest is a
dear friend, a person I've known for many years, all
(01:54):
the way back to when I was living in Boston.
I lived in Boston for for some time, and he
was he was sort of a king of Boston, if
you will. He was a man. He's from Boston, but man,
he was a man who knew Boston. He walked the
streets and he pointed people, and people be like, hey,
oh ship you here. That's tight. Oh man, oh oh.
(02:16):
They make noises like that, just in in enthusiasm at
his presence. He's so funny. You know him from his
appearances on Jesus and Merrill, on on Pause with Sam j.
He is also on the fucking this is what's so
amazing about this gentleman. He's on the goddamn Advisory Board
of Urban Agriculture in New York City. That's insane. And
he is the director of a few community gardens in
(02:38):
Brooklyn and otherwise a dear friend, so funny. Give it
up for my friend Mr Kofy Thomas Wild Or's some Homi,
what's something man good good saying hey you helly. I
was hoping you're gonna keep the accident going now and
then they just didn't know that you don't talk like
(02:59):
that for the entire episode. No, no, no, we speaking
young k talk already lost, So I already lost some
of y'all. Keep up, Yeah, Nick, keep keep up, and
I'll go back to my to my my hood binocular.
What's up everybody out there. Yeah, I'm very excited you're here.
And I'm even more excited because you came with a
(03:21):
conspiracy theory that is it's both lofty in nature but
also very I think it. It covers a lot of
territory in terms of hip hop rumors and and sort
of legend. And I've actually added or reshaped the title
a bit to make it so that it's all encompassing
for some of the things that we're going to talk about.
(03:42):
But you said, my mama told me the legend of
Leo Kim, tell me all of the legend that you know.
So this is and let me let me and let
me playing the picture. Okay, is that whispers in the dark,
(04:06):
little Jim. This is a time when when people had
on a freshman prayer of luxe boots. When when when
you got excited to see the jet beauty of the week.
All right, so this is so, this is a time,
this is a climate of us. All right, you you
heard something you weren't thinking. Let me go try and
check a smartphone. It wasn't that it was it was
(04:26):
it was excitement, and it was who else can I
tell about this? You know? Because then you felt like
you had an insight to the streets if you could
then tell somebody who didn't know what was going on there.
There was a to what you're describing. There was a
point in our society before the Internet really or social
media really had taken over, where you could legitimately be
(04:49):
in charge of what another person knew. And it was
a real power that that no longer exists because we
all have a Twitter feed that can easily break our
brains quicker and more effectively. Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's
not nearly as fun when you can just debunk something
so quickly, and it's and it really was magical to have,
(05:13):
like any young middle school kid with the power to
like shift the conversation of the entire school for a
day to come in hot with the rumor that like
his cousin told him. And then by like third period,
everybody was like murmuring and whispering like what what Derek
it told him. Yeah, So that was And then it
(05:36):
was so cool about the source was like if you said,
you know, like my boy um the one and his
cousin was in the game, so you know, it's come
back with good stories. So whatever he'd come back, people
be like, like, what's going on out there? Almost like
he was like like he was the plug talking about
let's they talking about right? So and it's funny because
(05:59):
it's like like you could almost just see people whispering
around like the you know, around like recess and like
the lunch room. And and then the story when it
got to me was I heard, I heard, Oh I
love the tension. I just love your building. God damn it.
Go ahead that little Kim. Little Kim had to get
(06:21):
her stomach pumped because she had so much semen from
blowing the Wu Tang clan. Whoa, okay, this is okay,
this didn't go exactly where I thought it was gonna
go because this is actually and I'm so happy it
(06:41):
went where it went. Please do not take this as
me pushing back kofy. Don't you dare take it that
I won't. I'll let you. I won't let you. What
I'll say is I had heard the rumor of her
having sucked so many dicks that she had to get
her stomach pumped. And I had heard the rumor of
her son, of her fucking every member of the Wu
(07:02):
Tang clan. I had not heard that those were one
in the same. M M, so it's one of those things.
Were like, are these are these separate incidents or was
it one day full of heat and has been fornication,
you know, in the back of a tour bus, and
then she blew them. But she would have to have
(07:24):
blown them before the show happened, because I heard that
she passed out then has to get it pumped that
she had a show. Let's let's just paint the picture
for the audience as clearly as possible. In theory, the
suggestion that that this person brought to you in middle school,
(07:45):
to your lunch table, is that little Kim before a
show was like, I need to suck some dicks who's
around every member of Wu Tang perfect, bring those fellas
back to this tour bus. And she proceeded to suck
every single dick so often because there's no way just
sucking uh nine dicks at the time. I believe by
(08:05):
this time all dirty Gaster had to have been dead.
Nine dicks would have filled her stomach to the brim.
So she sucked every dick over and over again toil
it was full. And then she went out to perform.
And at the performance is when she passed out, and
then subsequently had to go to the hospital to get
her stomach pumped right, a very rare, serious, severe medical procedure.
(08:34):
And and and what was I think also what was
so delightful about their story was when you heard that
in middle school, you didn't like, You didn't question it
in terms of, oh, are you sure like? Was it
was inspected? Was inspected? Deck there like doing that? It
was its back to Deck has a family. He would
(08:56):
never do that to his wife and his children. He
would not turn his back. And I know you got
personally he's got God in the name, he believes in it.
He's an about Christian with a couple of bodies leave
him out of this. So there was none of that
trying to to to retort or debunk it. It was
(09:19):
it was an excitement about the possibilities of women out there,
who could who could for late in a way, because
we don't even know what the blowjob was. We weren't,
none of us, to my knowledge, we're even coming yet,
so we didn't know. Wait a minute, hold on, I'm
gonna stop you, because that's how they get you. If
you ain't coming, that's how they get you. Anyway, tell
(09:42):
the rest of your story. You know, I don't know
who got me. I don't, but that's how they get you. Yeah,
But as far as I could tell, because we were
like we were, we were fifth grade, So everybody's about
ten years old, so nobody's coming, right, and that they
could be lying about it, but nobody is coming, so
they lied about it, right. So I'm like, so we
(10:03):
don't even know how much seemen it would take for
someone to need their stomach to medically be pumped, so
we're just believing it on the on the on the
strength of yo, this is so wild and also like
what kind of like amazing world is outside when we
get older, well, when a woman are blowing so many
(10:25):
guys at a time that they got to get it
pumped and all the wu tang is together and like
they're tighten friends and getting blown as friends. Oh man,
you know what I will say that you just articulated
uh something about this that I don't think I had
ever considered or at least it. Maybe it's because of
when I originally heard this, is that it I think
(10:49):
I heard it at an older age. I think it
came to you a little younger than I got it,
And I think because of that some of that magic,
that twinkle in my eye had had been lost, But
for you there was like a beauty to this where
it's like when I become a big man, I can
I can be around all my favorite artists getting my
(11:10):
dick sucked by by women and who who will go
until until they literally can't go anymore? Right, which is
just being so uh so amazed by like hearing somebody
climbs Mount Everest. You know, at the time, I think
the most I've never like, like, I never even thought
(11:30):
about somebody being that being that passionate about about anything. Yeah,
she had to have really loved dick sucking in a
way that that that you know, you Malcolm Gladwell talks
about ten thousand hours and she had to have been
willing to put in her ten thousand for for dick sucking. Yeah, yeah,
(11:54):
that was that was that That night was her tipping point.
She went through the thirty six chambers and then stopped
just kept sucking and sucking. Okay, so so you this person,
uh what'd you say? His name was the wand what
what was? The Wan had an older cousin who was
(12:17):
in a gang, and he used to always have like
the latest info on the streets, all the stuff that
King Magazine wasn't publishing. He had it exclusive. So the
wind comes, he says this to you and your your
classmate size him at this table. Do you then go
(12:39):
on to help spread this this rumor? Or are you like,
I'm gonna keep this close to the chest and this
is just this just for kofe? Now, I mean I
took a moment, you know, just just to inhale it,
you know, just to be present. But after it was
(13:00):
really the type of that type of scene where like
you're smiling and you look up and you look around
the room and everybody's talking about it, and this thing is,
this thing is has already has already made its way
around the school. You ain't gonna tell nobody. Everybody's talking
about it. This isn't this isn't a thing where like
(13:21):
you you have even the chance to uh to be
the rumor spreader, because the rumor has already taken hold
and and done done the zombie bite around the room.
That's what I was thinking. It's like it was, It's
just like that. It's it's just like you know, Will
Smith looking around, but everyone's talking about little Kim blown
(13:41):
blue tank. You mean, right at the end of at
the end, when he's looking at the apartment the house
for the last time, everybody talking about look kimful thing. Yeah,
she's a legend. J is a legend. And I don't
(14:02):
know that this is the legend that she wanted for herself.
I don't know that this is this is the legend
little Kim imagine, but maybe it is. Maybe maybe in
your mind, this is exactly where she wanted to be. Yeah,
I mean, and she has and she said things and
songs that are i'd say, almost equally as impressive in
terms of sexual acumen to that. So I mean I wouldn't.
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I don't. I don't remember her trying to like hop
on the TV like that never happened, So I don't
know if it against her her image of time because
because that poster, like the iconic poster, I feel was
like somewhere around there too, and that was sending a
lot of young boys into men. Me included imagination was
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running wild. I do love the idea that you feel
like Little Kim should be getting on television and being
like that Nigga do Win is lying whatever is guys
that told him? Is that true? I didn't suck off
master Killer. I I an upstanding woman. Yes, I Little
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Kim kind of growthy denied everything the one and his
big head cousin said about me. There's a lot of
ship coming out of Dorchester, which which I don't know
about because I'm not from that area. But I've heard
a lot of ship and I just want to address
it here with you on TRL. Right, you, Carson Bailey,
get the exclusive about me little Kim Queen be I might,
(15:35):
I might do some howish things, but I I am
not a hoe and I do not know who tag
like that. Fuck you fuck you the wrong, you personally
your little ten year old ass. Fuck you all right,
We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more Kofe,
Thomas and more, my mama told me. And we are
(16:13):
not no, no, We're back here with Marco Vi, Thomas more.
My mama told me. We're still talking about the possibility
that little Kim sucked so many dicks, specifically woul Tang
clan member dicks, that she eventually needed to get her
stomach pumped, had to go to the hospital and ruin
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that show for a lot of fans, has there ever
been a point now considering the rumor, considering what Dwan
told you, where you started to second guess the possibility
of this being true where you went. I don't know
if Dwan was being completely straight with me that day, honest,
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old the older I get, I haven't lost any of
my love for the rumor. I've only kind of tempered
it a little bit to say, maybe it was just
like a couple members of I can concede it's not plausible,
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plausible for them all to be in the same place
at the same time, but it is well within reason.
At that time, everyone's party together. They were at a
party something happened. They got very intimate, and to this day,
I don't know if there's a limit to how much
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semen smoke as well. Maybe she had, you know, an
alleged reaction. There's a lot of things that could have
happened when she had to get her stomach pumped. It
doesn't mean that she didn't blow more than one member
of the Wu Tang clan. Sure that she could have
still blown multiple members of the Wu Tang clan. Even
if you're being you're coming in this with with the
rational mind, you're saying, there's still a possibility she blew
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multiple members. And maybe she didn't need to have her
stomach pump, but merely did have to go to the
hospital for some sort of like difficulties relating to those
those penises exactly exactly, And and it's it's also one
of those things where where where nobody to this day,
in my entire life, has ever tried to even prove
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me wrong. Nobody from the world, nobody from Kim's camp, nobody,
not Little Sees, nobody. And the rumors were around the
quantity of it, and you know that's not something that
we know. I know, people get stomach hates all the time,
you know. I know, people get all kinds of food allergies.
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Sometimes I eat some, you know, sometimes if I get like,
you know, like a street burrito, you might have to
you know, be on the toilet. So who knows who.
There's a lot of possibilities, that's all. It's not beyond reason.
Uh okay, Well, let's let's start to address some of
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the reasons that you're referring to these salacious rumors as
there were. According to everything that I could find, and
and Kyfe, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on this.
According to everything that I could find, there is no
evidence of little Kim having sex with all ten members
of the Wu Tang clan. I should say that I've
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sort of separated some of these conspiracies, right because I
originally understood them as separate things. So I'm going to
address the conspiracy separately, but you feel free to address
them however you need to. I'm ready to finally get
to the bottom. Yeah. Yeah, there's no evidence. Traditional evidence. Now,
you and I both know traditional evidence ain't always how
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it works, you know what I mean, Like there's there's
there's facts, and then there's facts and it is a,
it's a what I've been saved. There's a whole lot
of I heard, there's a lot of word. She didn't
say nothing about it. So apparently because I there is
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no evidence necessarily of her having sex with all time members. However,
to my surprise, and this got me really excited, there
does seem to have been I was able to track
down a bit of an origin story for where this
story might have come from. I did not anticipate finding this.
I thought it was just gonna be complete nonsense. But
apparently in April of a person named Nathan Sellers was
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on an episode of Divorce Court. I assume you're a
big fan of Divorce Court. You you know the show? Well?
U on Divorce Court, this person, Nathan Seller's accused his
a strange girlfriend of sleeping with every member of the
Wu Tang clan. He went on divorce Court to say, A,
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you nasty whore. You've hurt me in a way that
can never be undone because you had sex with literally
every member of the Wu Tang claim boom. I mean,
I don't want to say exhibit A, but y'all out
there herritt So we've all so we have just established
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in our public court of opinion that the Wu Tang
clan has on more than one occasion allegedly been together
for a sexual act. Okay, so you hear this and
you go, well, this ain't little Kim, but this is
evidence that they would do it previous to this and
or after this, which means that Little Kim very well
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could still be on the table. Oh yes, that just
increased the possibility because because previously, any member of the will,
whether it be ghost Face, whether it be reside, could
have said, we don't do that. But now illeginally you
did that. You did that to somebody's wife who's now
getting divorce. You broke up a happy home, and y'all
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are gonna have to pay for this eventually. So, uh,
Leah palm quizt is the accused woman's name, and she's
saying on on divorce court she said, there is in
fact no basis to this story that this gentleman Nathan Sellers,
who was a black man, and Leo palm quiz is
a white woman. I don't know why those facts matter,
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but they do to me. I think it's especial and
happy Black History Month everybody, honestly. But so she said
there that that's not true. She said she went to
a Wu Tang Clan show where she was able to
meet them the members. After the show, she managed to
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get to sneak backstage and then onto their tour bus,
where they later went to a hotel room and partied
until seven am. They partied together until seven am. Now, Leah,
this is where I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Leah
also claims that the quote unquote partying included them spending
hours talking about politics. Leah says that they spent lots
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of hours talking about politics and and that uh it
was not actually sex. Mm hmm. Okay, okay, okay, now
let me now, let me just let me just let
me just put this out there, okay, to everybody out there,
right to the jury. If I tell you, okay, if
I tell you, I went to Red Lobster, Okay. And
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I was there till two in the morning, all right,
And I came home, but I said I didn't eat
any biscuits. Would you believe me? That's that is what
we are dealing with. Him, Leah, Leah, Liah Hall of
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family whatever whatever, whatever. Her last name is, pala Man.
She there is no and this type of thing that
I know, we're like people will put up like a
little bit of truth then to a story so that
you don't know that they're lying. So she tried to
put in the fact that they were talking about politics,
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which is believable because I could see, like I could
see Rison talking about politics for like way too long,
you know, like like going from like talking about like
how there's parallels between between like the Shawling and and
local politics and like and we all know, we all
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know ray Kuan's running for city council. We know that
they're they're passionate about politics, right support his campigny ray
Kun is definitely out there city council. Yeah, so that's
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I feel so like that part, like that little bit
of truth is that throw you off the scent of
it being a lot, you know, because there and there's
again you don't you don't sneak backstage, sneak all the
sneak and sneak backstage, sneak onto the tool bus, stay
to the hotel till seven in the morning. No, and
then they were all in the same hotel room, all
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the members, right, And I will say that is the
odd part of this story is is the the way
that they all sort of like continue to hang out
together for the whole of the night feels a little
bit like one of two things happened. Either y'all were
having sex with this woman and that was the reason
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that you decided to kick it all night, and it
was specifically for being able to like run this odd
super train, or alternatively, you don't know what the Wu
Tang claim members look like, and so there were just
ten niggas around you, and you were like, yeah, Ray
Mama was there and space and and it was like,
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now you were just hanging out with Inspector Deck all
night and end of his friends. But you thought it
was the Woutanglan Yo. That that's that's so hilariously plausible,
going to be like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm hanging out
with the Liza with specsa a quit. Yeah, they're all here,
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and dudes would do that, We would lie why yeah, yeah,
I mean yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean I'm in
the boutang come back to our hotel. I remember being
in college and going to Michigan and there was a
point where we would go to like white frat parties
and because the white kids didn't actually know what the
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football team looked like. If enough black dude showed up
at one time, they would assume we were football players.
And are fully remember leaning into being like our star
running back for the sake of benefiting from whatever energy
I could get, you know, pussy drinks, whatever, it didn't matter.
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Good good on you using that car, black bro. Yeah,
I'm I'm from Boston, Dorchester. So I've been, you know,
confused by the black people my entire life. And there's
been times when I've walked up to bars and they've
been like, oh, like, oh, you here early from Kanye's party,
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and I was like, yes, I've sat in v I
P for like an hour before Kanye and his party
came to a bar way back when because they thought
I was, Oh, you're black, so you must have been
with Kanye earlier party. Yeah, I've been letting two bars
into Oh after a Boston Celtics game, I can go
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to a ball and and and people be like oh yeah,
like same thing. Oh yeah, we got your section ready.
I'll go to session, have a couple of drinks and
then when like this is back in the day, So
then like like Walter McCarty and like Rigond Rondo came
in and I was like, yo, what up and daped
him up, and they just sapped me up because I'm
the black guy. Oh whit, you're You're a tall dude.
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You you can you can sort of play the line
enough that they're like, I maybe he's the fifteen player
on this Celtics thing that I I don't know about,
and I can't prove it that we took advantage. And
the somethings were not good at all, so nobody really
knew their faces that way, except for like me because
I'm a huge fan. But like me and Rond, they
were like the same height, so we'd come in, dap
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them up, yeah, hang out, drank. Walter McCarty would trying
to sing like that's a whole night, oh not a party,
and under under like the confusion that I might be
another black person. Yeah. So so in theory, are are sweetheart?
Leah palm Quiz was, in fact liar palm Quiz excuse me,
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was in fact just talking politics with somebody who kind
of looked like method Man all night long. And uh,
she even has a quote. I want to read this
quote to you. She said, let me just put on
the record that Wu Tang is nothing but gentlemen. This
is what she told the court. She said, they treated
me highly respectful, and I would never cheat on him.
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I I don't even know if this is appropriate to say,
but I'd never be a bus down or a groupie
in that type of situation. I kept my lady points together,
kept my lady points together. I would never be a
groupie or a bus down in that type of situation. Okay,
here's you know. And again it's like little like she's
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she's saying too much, and that's how I know she lying.
She's talking too much, saying saying what she say about
the woud Tang. What was that quote? But nothing, nothing
but that right there, because nobody, no buddy I know,
is nothing but a gentleman. And for you to say that, no,
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Immediately in my mind I'm like, oh, they like they
dicked you down so well that you are grateful and
you don't want to jeopardize any future dick downs. So
you're like no, and you're like winking at the camera,
like no, gentle method man. He would never, he would never.
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He's he's the salt. He's assaulted. Earth's great, great guy.
And I would never do that, and they a matter
of fact, they kept bringing up how much charity work
they do about the city. He's like, yeah, no, I
don't know if they're nothing but gentlemen. I think first
and foremost they're cocaine salesman and they're gentlemen. Yeah. They
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they've said in in most of their lyrics and how
how they have cases and people to hurt, uh, and
how they're not to be fucked with. They don't say
funk with us. Yeah with us, we're very classy boys.
We have very demonati. Please keep your distance, ladies, do
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that funk with us, don't come back to our hotel room.
So this goes viral, this this clip of Leo palm
Quist and her boyfriend, so much so that when it
went viral, and I'm excited to hear your response to
this before we go to break. Interestingly enough, after it
goes viral, it gets so popular that multiple Wu Tang
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clan members actually addressed the rumors directly. There. There's a
couple of them that I would say, I think I
have four or five of them that that directly addressed
the rumors. Method man first and foremost immediately denied having
sex with her calling her, quote unquote, an older thought.
That's method Man's response to Leo palm Quiz. Rizza said
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he watched the episode and similarly said, and I ain't
been there. That that's the quote from what Riz. He said,
I ain't been there, and ghost Face kill us at
the same thing, he said, I ain't been there, and
then Massacula. This is my personal favorite. He exclaimed. They
said he yelled out, I never seen it. That's that's
what he said, I've never seen it. So this is
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four members Art Records saying that they did not fuck
Leo palm Quiz. Your thoughts, Oh, man, I ain't been there.
I've never seen it. Great answer. Somebody somebody took dictation,
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like he exclaimed, he shouted from the roofs I ain't
seen it. Yeah. I love that they like made sure
to get through that emotion. I ain't seen it. Oh
that's lovely, that's just precious. I look, I think it's
within their best interest to to publicly denouncing it. Have
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hant have Sington, have had to have been there is
only a negative to where they are, especially where with
their ambitions within acting and other media. To have something
like that out, I think that you know, they've kind
of made several efforts to kind of distance themselves from
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that facaul that image of the woo and running up
and in that type of life. So it's interesting you
say that. I think I think you're making an interesting
point because the three three of the four people we
have on record denying it are also three of the
four most or three of the most famous members of
the group. And so subsequently, may they have a little
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bit more on the line if they agree to have
having sex with this quote unquote Older thought that like,
maybe it's to their benefit to just be like, no,
I ain't never been there, rather than to continue to
to sort of tow this line of their former selves.
Oh see big facts, big facts on that bro, bro,
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Because if they was to keep quiet, right and then
he could then he could be like, oh, it don't
really matter to him, because if it's with the image
that they want out there or even like close to it,
then they don't really give a ship who killed with this,
who killed with lee ah liar on the voice court set,
even if it gets retweeted whatever. So if something is
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possibly against your image, then you verbally denounce it. You
know what I'm saying you wait, you weigh that out. However,
if you might have done it and it's with your image,
then you might keep quiet. I don't know, like a
like a Little Kim, I don't know. I don't know
how we got that. Well. I think that's the perfect
(34:56):
way to throw us the break. We're gonna take a break.
We'll be back with Marko Be Thomas and more. My
mama told me we are Kenny Lenda Nigga a pencil. Yeah,
(35:22):
we're back here with more, Kofie, Thomas more. My mama
told me. We're still talking about the possibility that Lo
Kim could have sucked all them Woo Tang members dicks.
This is the the theory that's on the table. Kofi
does not seem to be in the least bit suede
by the story of Leah palm Quist and her denial
(35:46):
of having had sex with all nine living members of
the Wu Tang claim. Now, I want to circle us
back to Little Kim a little bit, because because we
got real lost in the weeds of this Leah palm
Quist character, one of the questions I had is how
a journey like that of Leah palm Quist might be
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appropriated or unfairly or maybe fairly associated with Little Kim.
How does this white woman on divorce court suddenly become
the journey that Little Kim is meant to take on?
And I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that. Mm hmmm.
So how so how does she kind of how does
she take the spotnight or how does she take like
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when you say take the journey? Elaborate on this on
this seem adventure. Yes, so, I think I think there
is an argument to be made that this was not,
in fact Little Kim's story. This was just Leah palm
Quist story. Now, I know you're not making that argument.
I'm listening. I know that ain't your argument, but I
do think that that there is an argument to be
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made that way, and I'm curious to know how you
think it it comes to be that a Leah palm
Quist story becomes Little keep story. Okay, okay, I will
I will extend. I will extend a an olive branch
here we love because yeah, yes, yes, I am merciful
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bringing it because if again we can bring it back
to our time of of you know, of of baggy
jeans and clothes on backwards, where rumors really spread like wildfire,
and it was a bit of a giant game of
telephone where facts get misplaced and get substituted, and people's
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names get rearranged, maybe to make something more appealing and
more exciting. And so if they're I mean, and very
well could have been I'd say the high probability that
wu tang. At the time, they're rappers, they're on top
of the world. Women are sneaking backstage and we'll do,
you know what, whatever they like at that point, you know,
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and you know, going going into that there, it's a
high possibility that some some woman got backstage. You know.
The guys had a long night, you know what I'm saying.
They decided, hey, this is one of our bonding moments,
like when you go to Thailand together, and they started
to you know, get a hotel room, do some type
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of orgy or a train, depending on where you're from.
She she she had to go to the hospital for
I'm was still going to get her stomach pump for
some reason. But it could have been a mix of
It could have been like too much hypnotic and and
(38:45):
blowing and blowing nine dudes don't know what you don't
know what coming hypnotic mixed together is like, but oh
that's a ricking the song drank a little hip, no
throwing it up, that's ship that So so there's more
(39:08):
evidence of hypnotic and come making people sick. All right,
So I'm wish you take this woman this Leah Liar Right,
she's had this this escapade till seven in the morning,
talking politics with these great gentlemen and blowing them, gets sick,
has to go to the hospital. She just not pumped
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people hear about that story. It's a real story. My
bad to her husband. Now we don't know, Leah, the
story is not doesn't have enough scizzle on it as
a young kid who kill some lea person. But we
already know that little Kim has been on tracks talking
(39:53):
about she could fit like a what do you say,
like like like a can in her mouth, like a
whole pepsi can wild ship. She the you know, the
guy with a hurricane tongues all this, so so she
already has that right. Olivia Olivia, our producer, immediately jumped
in to clarify that it was a stripe can. Apparently
(40:15):
we have deep branding roots with sprite and not pepsi
and she felt the need to enter Jack. This is
an odd interruption in the middle of of the thing.
I love it so much, but also shows how widely
known it is about Little Kim's blowjob skills. In the house,
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she boasts about it. So you take those, you know,
immaculate next level blowjob skills with this story of the
whole clan getting blown and now you've got a protagonist
that is so captivating. That's like, Yo, I heard Little
Kim suck the Woo Tank clans Dix and has so
(40:57):
much seamen she has to get her stomach pumped. Yeah,
I think what you're doing makes a lot of sense.
Right in the way that, like conspiracy theory rumor often
works is that these stories track better with characters we
(41:17):
can care about. And right now, with a Leah sucking
on random members of the Wu Tang clan, we we
aren't fully invested in who Leah is. But if it's
Little Kim, or even worse if if Little Kim, if
we flip, it is sucking random dicks to the point
that she has to get her stomach pumped. There, who
(41:37):
are these men who do these dicks belong to? Where
did this come come from? These are all questions that I,
the reader, the listener, the the receiver of Dwan's rumor
want to know. But by adding characters that we know about,
I become invested all the way through, and it's it's
really a great form of publicity for all members involved.
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Oh yeah, I think everybody involved in that story benefited.
I can't. I don't have the trusting for me, but
I'm sure all of their record sales went up, you know,
after that rumor came out school with new with new
fact and again it was it was the time when
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it was like these were like bigger than life people
to us, and they just got like even bigger, like
oh like what a you know, what a life? What
a story that people around there, you know, doing things
like that. And Kim didn't like it wasn't any type
of shaming either of like oh I heard it. It
was like it was like it was like, yo, I
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hope someday I can meet little Kim, Like I remember,
I remember my cousin he used to cut hair. Shout
out to my big cousin day he was doing my
hair cut. And I was a young kid and so
like I didn't have any sexy posts around my room, right,
But in the barbershop they had this post must have
been like six ft wide, and it was like that
(43:08):
little Kim post to the famous one in the leopard
print type of KINI in the squad. Nice to just
look at that, like, yeah, that's her. She she a legend,
and I do I think there there is. And I'm
cautious to say this, but there is a slight feminist
(43:29):
lens that you're putting on this in acknowledging that that
we are not shaming the person who sucked all these
dicks and in fact just saying it is a legendary
choice that was made, not one that needs to be braided.
Oh my goodness, Yes, you know, I'll take that a
step further. You know, even even back then, I was like, man,
(43:51):
I don't know you know what I'm saying, because I
wasn't there, unfortunately at my young ten year old age.
But I was like, but then if she's just remember
hearing her her lyrics and you know, just just so
musically and so passionately. I remember thinking, man, you know,
I wish I wish more, I wish more people were
like little Kim M. You know, it wasn't it wasn't
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that she's she's something said though she's somebody to be
shown on a found upon No, I wish we had
a thousand more like passionate can swallow a spright can
just making the world hurts. I will say, because I
did some research to look up the potential validity of
(44:38):
this dick sucking rumor, as it turns out, or at
least according to the Internet, that there doesn't seem to
be a lot of correlation of Little Kim and this
this stomach pumping story right when it is fairly obvious,
as you pointed out, is that Little Kim has sucked
a fair amount of dicks uh, and she seems to
know how to tell when a dick when her bellies
(45:00):
full from dick sucking. She she doesn't. There's not a
lot of evidence of her like going overboard goldfish style
and uh and waiting until her stomach is about to
explode from in her mouth. Additionally, I will say that
I looked up how much semen comes out per load,
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that how much a man ejaculates, and as it turns out,
it's not that much. It's somewhere between like a tea
on average, somewhere between a teaspoon and a tablespoon amount
of of come, which means that that's a whole lot
of dicks to be sucking, and that would have to
be full dicks, heavy balls to really get that stomach
(45:44):
all the way to pumping point. M m mmmm. Ok,
yeah we got so we got some medical journal facts overhead.
I didn't know he was gonna bring science to this mother, Like,
oh God, I've been honest. You caught me a little
bit off God with that whole noise in the medical
(46:04):
journal thing. All right, So because the the problem is,
I also gotta I also gotta dumb mind. So I'm
all right between between a teaspoon and a table spoon
because I always forget which one is bigger, all right
in the second league, who who is measuring who? He's
(46:25):
gonna come right into it because I was a man.
You're a tablespoon. Yeah, good for you. You got the
tablespoon spoon. Shame on you, big up. Yeah, I will,
I will say this. It only takes a tablespoon, just
just a tablespoon of bacon powder to make a whole cake.
(46:48):
So yeah, you know, I love that because I don't
know what that means. But but it's a fair point. Yeah,
and I'm I'm I'm pretty sure it's right, okay. That
the other thing that I'll say, and I can't imagine
(47:08):
at this point you could even possibly be swayed. But
the the other thing I'll say is that this rumor
apparently is not limited to Little Kim, And in fact,
when I originally pitched this show, when I originally pitched
this podcast, uh tow Big Money Players, one of the
things that we talked about was this exact rumor that
Little Kim had sucked so many dicks that she had
(47:30):
to get her stomach pumped. And the the white producer
that I was speaking to, a gentleman named Nick, said, Oh,
that's so funny, because that is a rumor that I
heard about Rod Stewart, that apparently Rod Stewart, in the
white community, is the person who sucked so many dicks
that he had to get his stomach pumped. And in fact,
(47:52):
this is a a rumor that has existed for a
number of other celebrities, including Elton John, David Bowie, Make Jagger,
and Foxy Brown, amongst the host of others. I M hmmm, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean, and I'll tell you what from hearing that
now for the first time, I'm pretty sure that's what
(48:15):
do we say, except for David Bowie and Falsey Brown
all true? Probably, like I'll put I put money on it.
There's just little Kim is not an isolated incident. People stopped,
stop stop following the media. Yeah, like this is the
(48:40):
first time it happened. And obviously a lot of times
rumors replicate life. You know, a little bit of a lie,
but a whole lot of truth. So it's not just
lead a liar who got her start pumped, and other
people throughout history have had to get pumped. And maybe
it wasn't just to come. Maybe it's a mix of
(49:00):
a long night of drugs, a few different drinks, some
hip no throwing it up, and some coming and then
you've got to get your stuff, and then of course
you want to be ill. Maybe maybe Elton John had
a big old play the gumbo and sucked a lot
of digs and now he had to get his stomach
pumped and all of that ain't come coming out of there.
See that's too much sodio. Yeah, that makes sense, that
(49:24):
makes sense. I know my medical journals too. You can't
you can't have medical journal meat. Yeah, that's that's gonna
throw off his his acid base ratio on his stomach.
I know ship, God damn well Brown, I don't believe either,
but that's a whole lot of thing. Well, Kofe, I
think you did it. I think you you made your point. No,
(49:46):
I think everybody who could who could argue with you
now given the information that you've you've sort of laid
out in front of everybody. This was a wonderful episode.
I had a lovely time with you. Could you tell
the people at home where they can find you and
what cool ship you have going on? Oh? Of course,
of course if you're looking, if you're looking for me
and more of my more of my silliness. I'm on
(50:08):
Instagram at Kofe ko f I Comic. I'm at uh
TikTok same name Twitter d a ko f I. Yeah,
I'm on all that. Then I'll be putting some videos
out a lot of funny stuff, so you know, check
it out and hit me up. Yeah, hit me up.
You got If you've got like a lot of money
and you're hiring to I'll take all that. Yeah, I got.
(50:31):
I got a whole lot of theories. If you want
to make a little mini documentary about this thing, how
I'm plugging in baby, let's go. Well, please go follow
kofe And if you've got a lot of money and
you want to hook him up, do that, and and
please support his gardens. He does beautiful work in the
community and and it needs to be supported. He's doing
(50:51):
some dope ship And as always, you can follow me
at Langston Kerman on all platforms, not TikTok. I haven't
broken down there yet, but I probably will eventually once
my spirit is is fully crushed into a little bitty cube.
And uh everything else you can you can like, you
can subscribe, you can write reviews for the podcast and
and that means the world to me. And send any
(51:13):
of your conspiracy theories to my mama pod at gmail
dot com. I would love to hear from you. Okay,
that's all the talking. Oh go ahead, you got the best. Sorry,
Before before we get out of here, real quick, god
to say big, big thank you to my homie Lanks.
And that's what my homie for real for all y'all
out there, don't for a long time. That's my bro bro.
So it's much love being on there. Shout out to
(51:34):
everybody back in Boston, people in Brook and all that.
So yeah, much love, Hey man, it's it's been an
absolute pleasure. You killed this. This is sub silly and
fun and we're gonna get in trouble and I'm excited
about it. All right, We did it, my bitch. Later
(52:00):
Koala Bears were racist. They also players from post the
money versus many turning stuff. Edom. I can't tell me nothing,
my lo
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