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August 23, 2021 39 mins

The politics of beauty are particularly cut throat in the pageant world. But the former Miss Teen USA, Kamie Crawford, has invalidated most of the superficial beauty standards that have kept women of all shapes and sizes from feeling and believing in their true beauty. In this episode Kamie gets Naked with Cari Champion about her experience in the “Curve” model industry and her hopes for the future.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You love hosting that show. I mean I love it.
Women are investigators naturally, so exactly you're exactly And I'm
a scorpio, so like I'm naturally nosy, so I have
to know. I have to know everything. I have to
look through everything. I'm like sleuthing naturally for my friends,

(00:20):
so like I might as well get pay for it
and like do it on TV. I guess what, let
me have you. I had a couple of dames. I'm
seeing you on I I can't find anything. I promise you.

(00:44):
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(01:07):
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shape the person that you can. We gotta Chappion and
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(01:29):
Two questions for you? Why do you love? I gotta
start with that. I'm surprised that you say you love
l A. Oh, don't tell them perhaps the coast? Why why?
Why carry che No? Claim my New Yorker like blood
that was injected into me. I you know, so I
grew up in Maryland and Potomac, Maryland, Montgomery County, and

(01:52):
I moved to New York when I was seventeen, and
so I really feel like I became a woman in
New York. I moved to l when I was twin five,
So I feel like New York kind of helped me
grow up. And then I needed a change because as
you know, in hosting and entertainment, like everything is in
l A, and you know, in order to be in

(02:15):
this world, I knew that I had to make a
serious change that was gonna you know, it really threw
me for a loop because I never thought that I
would ever live in l A. I used to be
the person to be like, f l A, I will
never move to l A. L A is for fakes,
blah blah blah. And then I moved here and I
was like, what was I talking about? Love? It's like,

(02:38):
what is wrong with me? I love it? I love it.
I'm like, like, what's that to like? I feel like
as a you know, a New Yorker, I still consider
myself to be one. You know, you're taught to despise
l A because it's it's just kind of like the
antithesis of what New York is. New York is like

(03:01):
really fast paced and you know, always go, go go.
You won't see someone not working, So there's like always
this feeling of I'm not doing enough and I need
to be doing more. Where l A is a little
bit more relaxed in that sense. People are still working
and moving and like doing things, but not with the
uh crazy rabid energy that New York has for sure. Um,

(03:26):
but I also realized that like that's not life, Like,
that's not living. If you're no, it's not fair to yourself.
So I was like, I'm happy to be here, Okay,
I love it here. Yeah, I actually think that's a
great idea. I love New York. I I don't know,
we aren't taught to hate New York. I like New

(03:46):
York only when the weather is get That's the only
thing like New York. Otherwise I feel like I would
I mean, I feel like my my career would deserve
a turn there. So when you say you came here
for your career, I think that's interesting because I grew
up here, and I want to know what you think
in terms of when you when you when you become
a part of the community in California, especially being from

(04:08):
the East coast Potomac, Maryland, um and then living in
New York, when you become a part of the community,
the culture, what is what happens to your body, what
happens to your spirit. My shoulders are way lower than
they used to be used to be like here, like
my shoulders were next to my earlobes, And now I

(04:30):
feel like I can breathe, Like I just feel like
I can relax. I think in New York, you know,
you always have this sense of going somewhere, so you
never Actually it's very rare. I can probably count on
one hand the amount of times that I actually looked
up and looked around and felt like, wow, I'm here,
Like I'm here, I'm present here. You know, if I'm

(04:52):
driving on the highway, I honestly don't mind being stuck
in traffic because I can look around and see the
scenery and I can see the valley and I can
see the palm trees, and I'm like, I'm here, I'm present.
And I have that feeling more often here than I
did when I was in New York, and it could
just be where I was in my life at that time.
I was like moving, moving, moving, And I still feel

(05:12):
like I am here, but just at a different at
my own pace, not at the pace and energy of
everyone that I'm surrounded by on a regular basis. If
that makes sense, But yeah, no, it really does. I'd
like to focus on that word present and and and
being here. Um, by way of background, you became known

(05:34):
to many of us through the Paget world. How how
is that world for a black woman in terms of
a in terms of everything and honestly being present? The

(05:55):
question is essentially, can you be present when you're constantly
being what you're not in who you are? And it's question, honestly.
So the part one of that how is pagantry as
a black woman, It's definitely changed a lot for the better. Um,
And it took a really long time to get there.
So when I won Miss Maryland ten U s A,

(06:17):
that was in and then you go off to the
national pageant, which was Miss Ta Usa two thousand intent
and I was crowned. I was the first black Miss
Maryland tin U s A and first Black Miss ten
Usa in a decade. So a decade is a long time.
It doesn't feel like it when you're like living, but
it's a long time. I was sixteen seventeen at the time,

(06:39):
and the last time a black woman one I was
six or seven years old. Like that's crazy to think about, um,
so when I want crazy, you know, not just being
a black woman, but being a black woman with curbs.
It was a very difficult thing trying to explain to
people in the pageant community that I was deserving of

(07:03):
the title. And I think that as black women, we
have to prove ourselves all the time in every aspect
of everything, um, which is unfortunate. But you know, I'm
a lighter skin black woman. I had to explain why
and by explaining I don't mean by my words, but
like by my actions as to why I deserve to
be considered the first black Miss Team USA in ten

(07:24):
years because I was here and she's not black enough
to be considered that she doesn't she doesn't represent like
the normal black woman. I'm like, what what is that?
I don't know if I can curse on here, but
I'm trying to refrain, like okay, perfect, but what is
that mean? What is that supposed to me? And then

(07:44):
you know, on top of that, having curves, and you know,
at the time, to compete on the national stage, it's
kind of like an unspoken you have to be down
two side. You have to be at your lanist most
possible shape that you can possibly be, like not a
string of fat can be on you. And I'm a
Jamaican girl, I'm definitely I have, you know, celelite and curves,

(08:07):
and I'm proud of it. But at the time, it
was something that it was like, Okay, how how much
can we get her down? How much like how much
can we slum her out? How like where can we
kind of shave off the the womanly body that she
has at seventeen? And you know, competing next to girls

(08:28):
who are naturally a size zero double zero. You know,
I'm seventeen years old at the time and the youngest
contestant is fourteen, so I'm, you know, looking like a woman.
I'm a woman and woman a girl, like a middle
school girl. Basically, Um, that is difficult standing next to

(08:49):
someone on stage in a bikini, and you clearly have
different body types and it should be something that's celebrated.
But instead I faced a lot of backlash from pageant
fans in the community. They have these pad and boards
where people can kind of write whatever they want about
you for as long as they want. They probably talked
about me right now the second talking of course, you know,
that's that's something that I'm always gonna have to deal

(09:10):
with with those people. They were like, she's obese, look
at her, she's fat, like look at her compared to
the girl next to her, who was literally fifteen and
not even the size of my thigh. So it was
definitely a lot. But I I come from such a
strong family. My mom is such a strong woman. I

(09:32):
am lucky to have a team of people my family
that we're constantly encouraging me. I never felt there's pressure,
but I had never felt less than the girl who
was next to me. That was never something that I
ever thought about. I always felt that I was deserving
of the title, regardless of what anyone said. And because

(09:53):
I wasn't a part of the pageant community. That was
my first pageant. I had never watched pageants before. I
didn't know what was going on. I think I was.
I wasn't as kind of tapped into the negative side
of who was watching me and what they were saying.
Every time, Like I hear you tell the story, and
I've read this story, and I just think, look at God,
like what's for you is for you? But that's all

(10:15):
that's all you think. Like for me, that's all I
think when I hear that story, and and and everything
had to happen when it was supposed to happen. I've
been focusing on something that I think that we don't
talk about very comfortably because of the pandemic. What trauma
did that cost for you? I couldn't imagine. Yes I can,

(10:36):
but in a different way. Um being constantly compared to
someone for their size, and it we celebrate zero and
what in a traditional look of beauty, every woman already
has body issues. I don't care. I forverybody's perfect. She's like,
look at this cell you light right here, look at this.
We all have our insecurities for sure. How are you?
How are you healing? How are you dealing with at well?

(11:01):
When M'm still trauma, there's still it's that's it still
sits in your spirit. I don't care how strong you are.
Oh yeah. And even after I gave up my title,
I listen, I have seen it all. I have seen it,
literally all of it. I was on a KKK website.
On the front page, they superimposed my face in my
crowning picture on an ape and wrote all these crazy,

(11:26):
horrible things about myself and my family and other black
contestants that were then going to be competing. Because of
the fact that I had one, it kind of opened
the door for more black girls to be crowned, because
at the time, only two black girls would compete on
the national stage, and that was like another unspoken thing
in addition to size. So you know, at the time,

(11:48):
I'm just thinking, these people are insane, They're out of
their minds, like they're focused on the wrong things. And
I've I've always had a thick skin, and this definitely
because I was bullied when I was younger. I I've
developed the thick skin over the years, but it doesn't
mean that it's not affecting me in any kind of way.
So now as an adult, I'm twenty eight, I just
started therapy a few months ago. I'm so happy to

(12:10):
be in it. And something that my therapist and I
talked about is the masks. The masks that I've had
to wear pretty much since I was a teenager. Like
there's always this, you know, kind of barrier that I
had to create between myself and those people because people

(12:31):
are hateful, and there's a plenty of hate out there.
But um, and you know, now, even working as a
TV host and I'm on a show that airs every
single week, I opened myself up again to people having
things to say. So it's I feel like when you
live a public life, or even just posting anything on
social media and you have a public page, you open
yourself up to critique and judgment and whatever it might

(12:57):
be on their minds that day. But I can't focus
on that, like, I can only focus on the people
who love me, and the love always outweighs the hate,
Like no matter what. But Um, for some reason, those
hateful comments seem to scream louder than all of the
really positive, like lovely ones, and I wish it wasn't so.

(13:20):
But you know, you could have ninety beautiful comments from
people around the world saying that they love you, and
that one comment talking about your thighs, You'll be like,
I can't believe they I can't believe they came on
my pace because I just would never do something like that.
But there's people, there's a lot of hurt people out there,
so you look, you preaching to acquire that when people.

(13:49):
I don't get mad anymore. I'm very used to it.
But when I first started in the business, it hurt
my feelings a lot, like a lot, like I couldn't eat,
I got dwindled down. I was I literally was like
consumed with social media just to see who said they
hated me. It was it was a question. And while Um,

(14:10):
years later, I don't care, I do believe it's affected
me and and makes me think twice whether I share
or post or what I decided to share in post.
Do you feel that way about your personal life? Do
you have you been able to find the balance as
you enter this TV arena, not because there's a different arena, right.

(14:31):
You leave the paget world and now you're a host
and you are working in a world in which you
are you know, you are moving the needle, you are
driving the conversation, you are holding the stage. Do how
do you balance what you share and what you don't share? Well?
I think so after leaving the pageant world, I went

(14:53):
into the modeling world fairly soon after, and I remember
that being more of a point of what am I
going to share? Because I signed with JAG Models, so
I'm still with and it's an agency that's inclusive of
all sizes, and I'm not a size zero anymore now,
I'm like eight, then moved on to a ten, and

(15:14):
I'm modeling in those spaces, and I remember being way
more consumed at that time of like, Okay, if I
post this photo, then the pageant boards are going to
pick this up and they're going to post it and
they're gonna be like, look how fat she's gotten. She's like,
even though I'm making money, I'm making the most money
probably out of straight size models, because the curve industry

(15:36):
is plopping like booming, and anytime I go up in size,
I get more clients. I'm booking Macy's campaigns, I'm booking
Lord and Taylor. I'm like on on every single e
commerce website. These people can't even shop without seeing my face.
But still I was like, Okay, if I post that
I'm modeling for, you know, this client, which is like

(15:57):
a plus size technically, you know, I hate that word,
a plus size retailer, this is gonna go everywhere and
they're going to talk about me, and I'm going to
have to deal with that. And it finally got to
the point where I was like, bitch, who cares? Like
you're making money. You're making money and you're doing the thing,
and you're inspiring so many other girls who don't look

(16:18):
like that. You don't even look like that, Like that
is not even who you are. Like when I look
back at photos from that time, I'm just like, who
is that? Who is that girl? Because not because I
who I am as a person is different, because I
think I've always been, you know, a good person, But

(16:39):
what I look like is not at all representative of
of who I am. And it was what I had
to do to get to where I needed to go.
And I didn't, but it was a means to an end.
But it's not I don't identify with that look, and
there are plenty of other women out there who don't
identify with that look either. And even still today, I'm

(17:01):
able to create a following and a support system of
other people in general who don't fit whatever mold. Society
says that people who are in the public eye or
in the media need to look like and I'm happy
about that. So even now, like as a host, I

(17:24):
do think about what I post, just in the sense
of now these days it's more like is this, like
who does this benefit? Like why am I posting this?
Selfies this? Actually, by the way, that's a great, great,
great way to look at it. Why Because if you
know why you're posting it, if it has nothing to

(17:45):
do it work or vin does have something, why am
I hosting it? Like sometimes sometimes it's mandatory, right, yeah,
But then other times it's like why am I posting this?
And if you ask, if you can answer that question authentically,
then do your thing. Yeah. But there are times when
I'm like about to post and I'm like, nobody cares
about this. This is so stupid, Like I can't even

(18:06):
come up with a caption, and sometimes I'll put in
my caption. I don't have a caption for this. I
just thought I look cute and like that'll be it.
But like, instead of trying, I feel like there's so
many people who are trying to sell you some perfect
dream of who they are as a person. And if
I feel like crap that day, I'm not going to
be over here posting cute pictures of me for looking

(18:27):
on the beach and pretending like everything's fine, because my
insto story, by the way, is going to tell you
the real story of what I'm going through, which is
that I'm PMS sing I'm having hot flashes, which is
literally currently what I'm going through. So like me posting
some like sexy picture in a bikini is not It's
not realistic and it doesn't correlate. Um, I like that idea,

(18:48):
and you know what, I this, This is so funny,
And this is for folks who are listening. I don't
hear nothing about I don't want people posting from my
five months ago. I don't like they're currently doing that.
That makes me sick to you, Yeah, sat the On
so many occasions, social media is such a line and
people don't understand what the real point of that is.
And yes, we're supposed to be cute, like don't don't
okay with me if you like, let me put this

(19:09):
up here. But end of the day, I really want
to tell you that I'm winning in life and that
I have to around me who support me them I'm
trying to be a better human. And you said something
to me that I think it's probably the most inspiring
thing that I've heard. I mean, everything you said has
been inspiring, but I love when you said you hate
the word plus size. And if I can, and if

(19:31):
we could abolish that in an American vernacular, that'd be great.
Like everyone has these, everyone's coming up the lexicons different,
everyone has a word for everything now a certain words
you can't say and I'm not getting into it, but
they're like, no, this is a new word for it now,
So tell me why you hate that word. I just
you know, even obviously, like fashion likes to create categories.

(19:56):
So you have straight size, you have plus size, you
have runway you and like runway and straight size are different,
and it's it's just like so much nonsense to say
the same thing, which is this is a working model
that looks great, where's the clothes great? Does their job great?
I don't A model is a model to me, But

(20:18):
I the reason why I have an issue with saying
plus size versus saying straight size is plus size to
me in my mind, And there are a lot of
people who are curvy who fully embrace fat plus all
those they love those terms, and they they consider them
to be terms of endearment. For me personally, plus size

(20:42):
in my head says extra, like unwanted extras. Oh, and
to me it's and well, plus could be considered all well,
it's like an additional, but to me it's kind of
like an extra, like you're you're too much of something.

(21:03):
And I don't like that because I'm just fine where
I'm at and I'm just right exactly how I am,
So I don't need term to give it a new term.
What would it be? Nothing? What would you You could
say curve like I mean, there's there's a clear difference
between a Carly Class and an Ashley Graham, Like they
look different, but they're both paid working models making plenty

(21:27):
of money doing incredible work. So like, a model is
a model, But if you're going to categorize it. I
think I don't think there's anything wrong with saying this
is a runway model, and this is a curve model.
But plus size to me, like even just when you're
when you think about shopping, when you think about where
the plus size section is in the store compared to

(21:50):
where everything else is, it's kind of in the back
in the dark corner, collecting dust, right exactly. Well, all
the people go ahead, right with the mannequins, the other mannequins,
but no, they're like in a corner, or like upstairs
in the back by the backstock. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

(22:14):
that's not where we're meant to be. So you already
know what you're what your colleague is, right, you lean
in because I am I swear to God, I'm I
have intuition and I figured this, and I don't care
if you think you're not doing this, but this is
what I see you doing. Changing that world. I would

(22:38):
love to like literally the way that we have people
protesting for Black Lives matter. You're changing the vernacular. It's
there are certain words we can no longer use towards people.
When we are addressing people, you can no longer say
plus size, it's curvy, and guess what I walk in there?
I better see a curvy model at the front, right
next to the thin model, and my clothes better be
in the front with well, with good lighting. I can

(22:59):
you creating an entire campaign dedicated just to that and
making it just as politically correct, like because that's what
it should be like like I I feel, that's literally
how I feel. And also because you know, not for nothing,
I'm a size eight ten still, and I think that

(23:22):
it's a slap in the face for me to be
considered in the same category. It's a slap in the
face to women who are a size eighteen twenty to
have to shop and they see me modeling clothes that
are meant for them, like I just as a model,
it I felt I felt like I was deceiving people

(23:43):
by modeling in a world where like I'm having to
wear padding to look bigger to appeal to women who
are the national average and size, which is sixteen and up.
Something about it just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm
all about, let's normalize the sizes in size exactly to

(24:04):
six is where we should live exactly with you. Let's
normalize what we are exactly. Let's bring that back and
let people feel good about shopping, because I don't think
a woman who's a size twenty should not have to
buy a shirt that is on me. She should be
able to buy a shirt that is on a woman
who is a size twenty where she can see exactly

(24:25):
what it's going to look like on her. I don't.
I'm not here for like this deceiving fashion industry that's
always trying to make things look like one thing when
it's not. I don't even like shopping as a size
ten and I'm shopping on a girl who's a size
double zero, and I'm like, what that's And we got
this a whole another about body issues, like women in general.

(24:46):
We can talk about that all day because I can.
I could join in and say some stuff, and I
and someone who's listening to like both of you guys,
just be quiet everything because some people are fine with it, yeah,
and well, or it's about perspective. Some people are very
comfortable in their own skin, or some people wish they
could be in your skin and thank god she's so small,
like it really, like, yes, I am upset that you

(25:09):
are considered a curvy model. You're so skinny, like you know,
so I think I hate how we the labels in
general are unfortunate. And if we move into a world
where we where we really didn't put so much stock
and labels, we'd we'd be better. I think I think
that you're amazing, and I've already said that I would

(25:32):
love to do like a rapid fire with you, if
that's okay. Oh my god, I love rapid fire. Do
you really? I'm afraid I'm afraid one might come out
of my mouth, but I love rapid fire. Okay, Well
we won't. We won't. And by the way, just so
you know, you know, she has said this, ladies and gentlemen,
she's also catfish. We love catfish. It's been on for
a while. And how long have you been hosting for
the beginning of this year? Two years? How long has

(25:54):
it been It has been I think two solid years
of me being a permanent co host. Yeah, a permano. Okay, So,
first of all the things that you post on our
I g. You guys have to follow her on her Instagram.
I'm locked in just by the teasers. Who cut those
damn teases? Don't answer that, but I'm like I'm like,
what what what happened? You know, by the way, I mean,

(26:21):
it's not like we don't know what's going to happen,
but we're still like what right it was? I mean,
you never Honestly, I don't expect. I come in with
zero expectations, zero expectations. Really I can't. I can't. Every
champion and care. Every champion is to be a champion,
a champion and carry Chappion and carry Chapion the champion

(26:41):
and carry Chappion and carry Chappion rates and sports, and
then the taming can make it work. Every champion and
carry champion is to be a champion, a champion, they
carry CHAPPI and they champion, They carry Chappion and carry
champion sports, and then the taming can make it warm.
And do you remember that song? It has nothing to

(27:02):
do what we're talking about, But John had a song
called um um these girls be doing research, And I
was like, it is a fact, what time and exactly
and how and what they were wearing who they were
with um latitude longitude. I can find it, and I

(27:22):
will and I always do. I had a girlfriend one
time she was at her boyfriend's house. They were he
was knocked out sleeping and something wasn't feeling right. You
talked about somebody doing some research. She grabbed his phone,
unplugged it. She pretinued, and she put his finger on
the iPhone home but to to to reveal what's been going.

(27:43):
I was like, don't do it. I was something. Of
course she did. You if you buy something, you look,
you can look, you can buy something. You always will.
I was like, you are a hardcore investigator. I was like,
I would. I would be terrified that he would wake
up mid like finger point, like what do you do?
But she is better than me for actually finding proof,
because I'm the type to say that I have proof

(28:04):
even if I have nothing, I will say. I will
be like, no, I already know, and I know exactly what.
You could try to fool me if you want, But
I already know exactly who we were talking to. I
know exactly. Yeah, you might as well just come out
and say it, and then that's how I find out
everything I didn't know. Then you're dealing with some good
guys because I don't listen. I tried that before. It

(28:24):
is poker, Like, what are you talking about? Did not?
Did not? Never? Um, okay, a rapid fire. Your dream
car a rangerover white with tan interior. Have you thought
about it? Yes? But every day, every day I have

(28:48):
to dream right now and I love her, but like
you know, I really want like my mom car eventually. Right. Um,
your dream vacation home, where would it be? I have
to say, I love Cabo. I've been a Cabo like
three times recently and I'm going back again in two

(29:08):
weeks and I love it. There. Okay, your dream wedding
scenario if you want to get married, Oh, yes, of course.
Well I have a whole entire folder on Instagram that
could tell you exactly what I want for my invitations,
from my gown, for my bridesmaids, everything. Um, but are
we talking about venue? Yeah? I'm still debating an outdoor venue.

(29:32):
I sweat a lot, so I don't know if I
want to be inside or outside or a combination of
the two. Um, but I do know that I wanted
to be stunning. Everything has to be stunnying. I have
my colors blush, like an ivory cream blush and bashful.
I like, yes, exactly, like a nice romantic tone. But

(29:54):
my boyfriend really loves blue. So I'm thinking about possibly
incorporating some kind of navy. I know it's not rapid fire,
but that's that's where and gold. I don't mind get
to the details because I think you're like, girl, have
I thought about it? It's a photo waiting, don't you

(30:16):
say rabbing fire? But hold on? Yes, I got the
engagement ring in my mind. Everything I know exactly exactly,
and I have to pick the engagement ring. I love
you for your out because I don't even think about it.
Whatever you want, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
I've been thinking about it. And also, like I told
my boyfriend the other day because we were talking about

(30:38):
wedding planning, and I was like, you know, the group
is interchangeable. The plans are still the same. But I
love you, but the plans are the plants. So if
you can't make it, that's cool. Your dream job exactly
what I'm doing, but just expanding on it more so.
I want to be the person who when you walk

(31:00):
into Target, you see my face in the baby section.
I have a section in the cookware, I have a
section in the beauty section. I have a section like
literally all over the place. That's what I want to do. Yeah,
conglomerate building. This enterprise is dynasty. UM, your dream for
the country in which we live in? Oh Lord, see

(31:24):
that's not rapid fire, that's uh, that's a deep cut. Um. God,
Can we start with the most basic thing. I would
love for everyone to be able to prioritize their health
UM and be able to do that without an added cost.

(31:45):
So I'm all for, you know, a free healthcare system
that actually works and operates, and specifically in Los Angeles,
from what I've seen, our homelessness population is it's really
really upsetting to see there. You can't drive down one

(32:06):
block without seeing people who you know, really really need help.
And I think and talking about creating systems where we
can have more UM people and facilities put in place
to be able to help people who are struggling with
mental illness and homelessness. I think that we need more
of that. UM. There's so much, God, there's so many things.

(32:28):
There's so many things. I would love to see Black
people not being UM murdered by police officers. I would
love to see UM, black and brown people of color,
Indigenous people not being UM discriminated against for any reason. UM.
I would like to be able to wear my hair, however,

(32:50):
I want to wear it and not think about it.
Even if I'm at uh Neem and Marcus. I would
love to not have to think that I have to
put off my best jewels and bag to shopping without
being followed. Um, there's a lot of things that I
would love, but you essentially like, I want equality in
every aspect, guess, in every institution, in every aspect of

(33:13):
this country that we live in. And I think that's
I think that's beautiful. I think it's absolutely beautiful. And yeah,
and I would love for people to be more understanding
of l g B t QI plus issues and open
and I just want people to not be so stuck

(33:34):
in what they know to be true because it's their
personal experience, and broaden their minds and open themselves up
to the idea that there are other people that exist
in this world outside of you. So it's it seems
like it's an easy thing to do, but some people
are so stuck in their ways and in their own

(33:57):
world that they never leave their bubble to consider or
the way that other people are living. And I'm an
EmPATH at heart, so I just naturally feel It's like,
even if I'm driving down the street. I will see
other cars and be like, I wonder what they're going through. Like,
there's just so many people with so many emotions who
are dealing with so many things, and I think that

(34:17):
it's important to just consider that and like have empathy
for people even when they're acting crazy out in the streets.
You know, it's easy to look and stare and laugh,
but like, these are people who are having human experiences also,
and we never know what people are going through. That's
my ted talk. I'm not no, honestly, I'm not being funny.

(34:42):
I was like, I just love her heart, I love
your heart, thank you, And I hope that I don't.
I hope that it comes through. I don't. I'm I'm
a big fan of just letting the person be the person,
and I didn't. You and I have never interacted, but
I could tell that you have a good soul and
you've been in l A for how many years? Three

(35:04):
and they haven't turned you. I know, I know if
New York didn't tell me, New York should have made me, like,
you know, I will be stepping over people on the
street and not even paying attention to anybody. But you
know what I think New York. It's a bad rap
in that sense because it's literally like life or death.
You can't be looking at anybody strange and the eye

(35:26):
late night on the subway. You know, here I have
more time to observe. I have more time to look around. Yeah,
and be safe with it. Exactly what can you tell
us before we go? What projects you're working on? Anything
that you want to tell us or no, yes, okay, good?
Well I teased it on my page, but I've been
like keeping it a secret on Instagram but telling it

(35:48):
everywhere else. I have a podcast that I'm launching. Hey,
I'm gonna be you. You got your girl, and you
will be killing it. Tell me the name. It's called
All the Relationship, and it's basically about yes, relationships, the good, bad,
and the shitty, because we all have them, and but

(36:08):
not just romantic relationships. Um, it's an advice podcast that's
going to focus on all relationships, so coworker relationships, roommates,
family dynamics, and you know, different things that we all
go through. I can't tell you how many times during
the pandemic I have DM conversations with people all the
time who are like, I'm dealing with this, especially during
the new wave of Black Lives Matter. I got a

(36:30):
lot of you know, white girls, am, guys, everybody in
my d MS being like, I'm trying to talk to
my racist uncle about Black lives matter. It's it's getting
so frustrating. What do I do? And like, I'm coaching
these people through these conversations, and you know, while that's
more of a serious topic, I want to talk about
things like how to deal with you know, your coworker

(36:52):
that is constantly up your butt about hanging out and
going a happy hour and you know, damn well you
don't want to hang out with her, or you know,
your roommates, if you have a producer named Triple who
is mean perfect do you? I I'm sorry, okay, right,

(37:14):
I know I'm going Can you have me as a
guest because I I really gotta work on that, Thank
you exactly. So that's that's what I want to talk about,
because you know, we often like romantic relationships are great,
but when I found out that you are more likely
to have your best friend outlive your spouse, I was like,

(37:36):
these are the relationships that we also need to make
sure that we're cultivating and working on. And if they
have to go, then they have to go, And like
that also needs to be discussed because I've dropped plenty
of friends in my life, um for good and bad reasons.
And you know, sometimes you need help with when you're
in a situation, you need help trying to navigate through it.

(37:57):
And I'm happy to give my real, raw, honest advice.
So I'm really really excited. You are really wise. Why
is beyond your years beautiful inside and out? I mean sunny.
If you guys listen, follow my book on Instagram, Cammy Crawford.
She's stunning, and I thank you for blessing us with

(38:19):
your beautiful soul. I mean, I wish that we could
keep talking for the rest of the word. I could
talk to you for two hours and they'd be like
very you know, we only do forty five In the podcast,
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