May 9, 2022 • 50 mins
Younger women who weren’t born or active during a time when abortion was legal, don’t have a reference to the pre-Roe vs Wade era. But what is it? What is Roe vs Wade and why is overturning it causing such an upset?
Roe v. Wade is the name of the lawsuit that led to the landmark 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision establishing a constitutional right to abortion in the United States.
Ok, now that you know, do we have to explain why overturning it has created great concern not just for women's rights, but for the legal right of same-sex marriage, Trans rights, and perhaps civil rights as well.
Marianne Williamson is a passionately pro-choice woman who has previously run for political office and is a member of the Democratic Party. She is a bestselling author, political activist, and spiritual thought leader. She joins us on this episode of, Naked to expound on the differences between the political parties and the repercussions of the decision to change this existing law.
She reminds us that it is ok to feel discouraged; there are enough hours in the day to cry, but there is also time to kick ass and get up and do something towards making legislative change.
Learn More: Marianne.com and CandidateSummit.com
Connect: @CariChampion @MarianneWilliamson
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This was a very well strategized self campaign. Um, these
people have been planning this for years, and they've been
saying that they were planning it for years. This is
the thing about the Democrats and the entire neoliberal establishment
that surrounds them. This lack of psychological first cassidy, this
lack of recognition. If somebody shows you they're a jerk,
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they're a jerk. Listen, it's time to be energized, it's
time to be active. That was the great Marianne Williamson
joining us here on two days podcasts. So by way
of background, I'll share more about who she is, but
the way in which we met it's gonna blow your mind.
I'll share that story on the other side of the break.
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Aking naked Warmer. So thank you guys for listening. I
have a very very personal story to share with you.
So last week I was on the East Coast and
if you follow me on social media, you saw that
I was posting about being in Philly and I was
also in New York and then I went to the
d C and then I came home and I and
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I am a big believer that everything happens for a reason.
I do believe that my steps are ordered. I do
believe that whatever happens to me is because that is
what is supposed to be the will in which God
has for me. And I say all that to say
that my time on the West Coast was supposed to
be for meetings to recalibrate what I was gonna do
now that our show has not is not going to
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be on. Plus all these different things were happening. I'm
taking all of these different meetings. But the moment after moment,
I realized, I find myself in much more casual environments,
not meeting environments like Hi many, miss Carrie, shake your hand,
but in casual environments where I'm talking to change makers,
people who I want to see a different policy in
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the world, people who create policy, people who are influential influencers.
I'm not gonna name drop, but it was a bunch
of folks that have over the years become a part
of my unor circle, people I consider friends, people I
admire from afar and now they're friends. And so that
past week on the East Coast really opened my eyes.
And I didn't know why I was having these meetings,
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or if or why I was able to get audience
with some of these people. But one of them, and
a truly serendipitous moment was Mary Anne Williamson. I am
flying home from Washington, d C. I am sitting in
the wrong seat. I moved to the seat in front
of me. The woman who's sitting next to me was
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moved her seat because she wanted a couple to sit
next to them, and it just so happens to be
best selling. All their political activists and spiritual thought leader
mary Anne Williamson. Now, if you are an OPRAH fan,
as I am, that is how I really I think.
I first met Mary Anne Williamson in the sense of
who she is and what she does. But over three
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decades she has been a leader in spiritual and religiously
progressive circles. She has written fourteen books, four of them
have been number one New York Times bestsellers. Um, you guys,
remember our return to love. Our deepest fear is not
that we are inadequate it. Our deepest fear is that
we are powerful beyond measure. It is considered an anthem
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for a generation, contemporary generation of thought seekers. Our greatest
fear is that we are amazing. And the older I get,
the more true I understand that statement, or that statement
seems to be more true for me. Uh. And while
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I knew I was sitting next to her, I didn't
want to harass her. I didn't want her to be like, Okay,
don't bother me, Lady I'm doing my thing. But she
was so open. She was talking to me. She was like,
what are you doing? And I was kind of reluctant
to talk to her a little bit, KG because I
know what it feels like to want to chill out
on the flight, if you've been on for a week
or two. I understand when you don't want to be bothered.
I try to respect people's privacy that are in always right,
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not whether you're a note or not. I just try
to respect your privacy because I would like that same courtesy.
But because she was so engaging and she wanted to
talk to me, we talked about everything. We talked about life,
we talked about politics, we talked about love, we talked
about what's going on in the world. And this was
way before Row versus Wade, and by way before I
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mean two days before no a day before, a day before.
It was Sunday night, um, and I said, I'll reach
out to you. I would love to have you on
my podcast. I know you ran for you know she
was on the presidential ticket in and I was like,
I know you ran for office in Will you be
running again? She doesn't know. But the point of the
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matter is is that I was impressed by this fearless
woman who and I'm guessing maybe five too maybe, but
she packed some mighty mighty punch in her presence is powerful.
And the next day, while sitting at home watching Met Gala,
complaining about outfits that I couldn't even afford if my
life depended on it, I got the news the draft
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was leaked. The draft was accurate, and it was leaked.
Roll versus Wade will be overturned. Um Conservative Court says
it is time to overturn Roe v. Waite. The Republicans,
the Conservatives, the conservative people, groups, parties name it have
all been waiting for this moment, and it's it's just scary.
It's scary. And if you're not scared, then you don't
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understand the long term effects of what will happen. So
I called up Maryann and I said, listen, I know
I just met you on a Sunday, but the world
has changed within twenty four hours. Do you mind coming
on the podcast? And she said of course. Now little
oh me talking to this woman, And I thought, another sign,
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another sign that someone who is really trying to make
a difference in the world really wants to commune with me,
to talk to me, to share with me. And I
thought to myself, this is amazing. I love this idea.
And today we talked about it all. We talked about
Roll versus Wade, We talked about the Democratic Party versus
the Republican Party. She said that Obama failed in a
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lot of way ease, and I know so many of us,
especially in the black community, love Obama, and you don't
want to hear about what he did not do because
of the fact that he was the first. He was
able to show us so much and give us so
much hope, and he serves such a beautiful purpose, and
he introduced us and gave us are forever first lady
in Michelle Obama, who, by the way, Marianne Williamson said
she could be president if she wanted to be. She's
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smart enough to know better. Though Michelle, like, I can
keep on that, I'm not about to be out here
stressed out. However, I think she's the only person that
if in fact she wanted to go up against the
Republican Party, she'd be the only person that I could
beat Trump, because because that's what's happening, guys, what you
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see happening in the world today, Elon Musk buying Twitter.
You when you see Roll versus Wade being overturned, when
you see the super rich aligning and essentially telling everyone
else they don't matter. They're making way for that man,
that Orange man, so that he can come back and
do the dirty work for all of them. This isn't
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about left or right. This is about super rich versus
everybody else, super rich versus everybody else, and the super
rich people they are. It is a very tight collective community.
We know people with money, we know wealthy people. But
the people who can give you a billion dollars I e.
Larry Ellison to buy or to help purchase Twitter. To
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Elon Musk, that's super rich. I don't have an extra
billion lying around and I'm not even getting into who
helped him purchase Twitter. But no, they don't look like us,
talk like us, think like us, the super rich versus
everybody else. But we've been distracted, and so here comes
Mary Ann Williamson. And while we may not all agree
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with her politics, are the same things that are certain
things that she may say. That's just life. We won't
agree with everything everyone says. We all didn't agree with Obama.
We don't all agree with Bernie. We definitely don't agree
with Trump's asked, so I don't anyway. I'll speak of myself.
So we find ourselves in this very sensitive moment. Politically, spiritually,
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um racially, all of the intersections of the world are
coming together, and now they are attacking women's rights. I
am a Christian, and I want to say this loud
and clear. I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ,
he is my Lord and Savior, and in my religion,
you should not abort. But that still doesn't mean that
I have the right to tell a woman what to do.
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The problem is today we can't agree or disagree. We
can't put things in different boxes. We can't we can't
express ourselves because we have to take a side. And
that's where the super rich are learning to distract us.
So get a pen and paper, because Marianne takes us
to class. When I tell you, she's a true spiritual leader,
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an activists, a mother, a nurturer, author, she's all the things,
and she's combining all of that into this beautiful message
to share with the world to ignite us. Because they,
whomever they may be, are ignited and if we don't
start feeling energized to do something to change the world.
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Whatever that looks like. Right on a small level, it's voting.
On another level, it's voting for the people in your district,
in your community. It's your mayors, it's your city council,
it's your governor. Right on a larger level, maybe you're donating,
Maybe you're giving money to a cause that you can
actually see the change coming from said cause. We all
can do something. It is time to be energized. We
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can't sit back and complain. We cannot let apathy take over. UM.
I rarely go into the political realm in this podcast,
but I'm feeling the need listen to her thoughts on
what's happening in the world today and how we as
a people can change. Maryanne Williamson and Marian First of all,
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what happened in the hours we met each other on
this From this Sunday we met each other to today.
The world has changed, Our whole conversation changed. It has
it really has. You and I had a sense so
we would meet again. We didn't know it would be
so soon. Obviously, the Supreme Court lake of the decision
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to overturn roev away has changed everything. It's an earthquake,
no doubt about it. It was interesting because I, first
of all, Um, I am a fan, and so I'm
letting our listeners know. And I set this up in
the beginning of the podcast of how I've read several
of your books. I've always thought that you were special
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and had a message for the world. And and I'm
sure you know that. Um, you ran for president, in
which I thought was so courageous, and you are fearless
to me in that capacity. But that's who you are.
That's what you've been born to do. But I never
thought that I would live in an age and I
would hear people say they're going to overturn ro versus weight.
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I didn't feel like it was I did insist the urgency,
did you, Well, yes, because I'm old enough to remember
when we didn't have uh legalized abortion. So I think
people of a certain age have long felt, Oh, younger
women don't know, they don't get it. They've never lived
in a time when they didn't have this legal right.
And you know, it changed everything sexually, it changed it
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changes everything on such deep levels. Once women knew they
could get a legal abortion it. I think a lot
of the sexual revolution emerged from that. This will make
everything different, even in these deepest intimate regions of should
I should, I will I won't I things that have
to do with most intimate aspects of our lives. Um. So, yeah, I,
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along with anyone who remembers, knew that this was bigger
than a lot of younger people realized. Then let's go there.
When the time was you could not get an abortion legally,
what was that like? What was the idea or images
surrounded or thoughts about sex during that time? Well, I
wasn't in my sexual you know, I wasn't sexual yet.
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I'm not that old Carrie, come down, Come, You're like,
I'm not. I was like in my mim and like, wait,
we had this conversation. It was it was enough that
I was, Um, I think it was nineteen seventy three.
I was born in nineteen fifty two, so I was
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already sexually active. But the whole thing that happened with
the sexual revolution at that time, it just opened everything up.
You know, even before that discovery of the pill, um,
there are so many things that you know, I think
Carrie of myself as anybody gets to a certain ages.
There's this phrase keeper of the story. I think there
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are so many things which were different for better and
for worse before the nineteen seven and is before the
nineteen eighties. So yeah, I think the older you are,
the more you have a sense of the historical trajectory
that got us to where we are. What where did
the Democrats fail? I read yourself, Stack and you and
you said this is a gross overreach. And I think
we can be outraged. I saw Elizabeth Warren was angry.
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Everyone is angry, Um, but where did the where did
that we first see the cracks in the system towards
the Supreme Court? When it comes to the Democrat Barack Obama,
Barack Obama said that he when he was running that
he would make the codification of Reproductive Rights a UM
a priority in his administration. He said that he would
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do it, and then when he became president, on this,
as with a lot of things, he said, well, we
shouldn't make a legislative priority. Then, as we know, when
he didn't um take the opportunity to appoint Merrick Garland
when he could have, he thought, oh, hello, is gonna win.
You know, people people say that apparently Barack Obama. I
thought Hillary was gonna win until the last minute, so
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he said, you know, Hillary will a point who she was.
I think I mentioned you carry because I live in Washington,
d C. People say it's a bubble. It's really more
of a feeling of a walled city. So I think
where a lot of people have been feeling like, um,
this is dangerous. We should prevent this, we should do things.
There's this sense living in Washington, d C. Oh, we
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can handle this or that will have the Supreme Court. Um.
So the Democrats failed us entirely on this issue. And
I think that if more women were in office, it
wouldn't have been uh, seeing as such a lower priority.
The court is conservative. Trump pushed in three of his
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his appointees, which is unheard of, and we watched and
people were not outraged at that moment. There were a
small group who were very aware, but I think by
and large, the world was so distracted with everything that
was happening with Trump. He is the master of chaos,
and because he created so much chaos, many of us,
myself included, I didn't understand the significance of pushing in
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three appointees. What did that. Do you know what that
did was to guarantee that they could do things like
they've done right now. This was a very well strategized
self campaign. Um. These people have been planning this for years,
and they've been saying that they were planning it for years.
This is the thing about the Democrats and the entire
neoliberal establishment that surrounds them. This lack of psychological perspicacity,
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this lack of recognition. If somebody shows you they're a jerk,
they're a jerk. I mean stop. You know. It's like
Susan Collins now is saying, I just can't believe that
Brett cavan All lied to me. Excuse me, you can't
believe that he lied to you. So UM. And even
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now I find with Joe Biden, he doesn't seem not
overly concerned. He's not talking about you know, they could
break the filibuster, he could use the bullet bully pulpa
to UM fight for that. You see the anger on
the part of people like Bernie, like Elizabeth Warren, like
Kirsten gillibrand. UM. But the powers that be, even within
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the Democratic Party, to really go for them. Go to
the map right now, UM helps not coming from from there,
and you said something that I think is important. The
Republicans have been very clear, I I call it. They've
been very gangster. They're like, this is what we're doing.
Watch just do it, unapologetic, no questions asked, um, and
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if you have a problem with it, do something. There
are no rules for them, so everything is on the table.
So if they could in the world that we live
in right now, overturn Roe v. Wade, what's next? What
everybody is talking about in your what could it be? Oh,
that could make uh, they could make gay marriage illegal.
They could make all kinds of trans trans rights illegal.
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I mean, they could really start coming after things, um,
one by one. You know, the Republicans abuse power, but
the Democrats, the Democratic establishment doesn't use the power that
it has. Barack Obama had a supermajority. Barack Obama had
a time with the supermajority. It could and what he
could have done if he had actually chosen once he
was president to be the president that he told it
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was told us he wanted to be in two thousand days.
The problem is is that I feel oftentimes the Democratic
Party believes in the good of people, or at least
they want to think that they do well. Then they're
like Joe always talks about his friends that he's been
on the hill with three years. These are his friends,
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I know exactly exactly that exactly that well. Actually, I
think that really line applies more to Bernie Sanders, who
keeps talking about my friend Joe Biden. How many times
your friends betray you before you stop calling them your friend? Correct?
But you know it's interesting these people, you know, the
Democratic elite, consider themselves such psychological sophisticates. They consider themselves
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such intellectual sophisticates. Anybody who's ever dated a jerk knows
any I mean, you know, anybody, when are you going
to grow up, wise up and get that this is
who this person is and this is how this person
is going to act. That's whether it has to do,
by the way, with the Republicans or with Vladimir Putin.
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You lack of psychological perspicacity that is involved in politics,
and when anyone talks about how we need to start
applying our deeper psychological understanding of people and events, they
call that unsophisticated, They call that unqualified for leadership, when
really that should be the main qualification for leading US
into a new era or pairing new generation. That's the
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main qualification because if you're able to understand people who
they are at at some some level, you know how
they'll move, you know how they there, they will choose,
how they will make decisions, and how it will affect you.
And you just said it. Anybody who's dated a jerk,
a guy jerk or a female jerk, apply to any
relationship worked for a jerk. You know, once they show you,
they show you. So I'm looking at a group of
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women who are concerned. Um. I talked to a couple
of Mintis in their twenties. They're like, what does this
mean for me? Um? What is this fight? If you
can look into the future, what type of what type
of leadership are you looking for for this country? To
what what's going to stop Trump? Because as we can see,
they're putting every single every single card, they're putting everything
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in position to make sure that this man can have
another shot. And if not him, then rand Randa Santas,
who I think that's pretty much almost as dangerous. It
just as dangerous as dangerous. Agree with that? Well, the
democratic establishment thinks that we rise them off money, we
can beat them but that's kind of absurd. Hillary Clinton
naturally raised quite a bit more money than UM than
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Donald Trump did, so I don't believe that Joe Biden
would defeat Trump. I don't believe Kamala Harris would defeat Trump.
I don't believe any of the establishment Democrats would defeat Trump.
I don't either, And I think one of the reasons
they wouldn't defeat Trump is because they have proven during
the time that Biden has been president that they're not
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willing to actually present to the American people a start
contrasting agenda to the corporatus agenda of the Republicans. I
believe that our country is like a ship that is listing.
It is almost full on its side. When Franklin Mozabout
was president, he and Eleanor Roosevelt talked about transitioning from
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the alleviation of distress to fundamental economic reform. The Democrats
the Republicans obviously don't care how many millions of people
are suffering. They don't care. The Democrats wring their hands
and they say they care, and they give a little here,
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a little there to address the pain on the periphery,
but they are not willing to challenge the underlying forces
that make the perpetuation of that suffering inevitable. Now, the
majority of American people are with us. The majority of
American people want fundamental economic reform. The majority of American
people want Medicare for all. The majority of American people
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want free college. The majority of American people want to
hire minimum wage. The majority of American people want at
least the substantial cancelation of the college loan debt. The
average American gets it that the majority of Americans are
being squashed. Here, that our government now, rather than supporting
the dreams of the majority of Americans, are actually passing
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policies that squash the dreams of the majority of Americans.
Even the issue of race, racial equity, racial justice. The
average American, just the average American, even the average um
uhn servant, it gets, you know, we really need to
do something, and all you're gonna do is make Juneteenth
a holiday. Even even there are righteous, high minded conservatives
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who do get something's going on in the police forces.
They're they're not people. The American people are not stupid.
They understand about the infiltration of the proud wars of
the oathkeepers of the police of what is this with
its unarmed Black people are not stupid, but we have
a political corporatous agenda, neoliberal establishment, where corporate money holds
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hostage our government to such an extent that the government
itself has become a system of legalized bribery. And that's
why when we do see things like little sprigs of hope,
you know, little greens shoots coming up from the ground.
Christian Smalls unionizing at Amazon is an example of that.
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The unionizing going on at Starbucks is an example up
all of that. I hope that the wind of Nina
Turner would be an example of that, but the machine
crushed her and they progressive establishment abandoned her. Yeah, it's
if you are not. And I think what I've been
able to watch and what we've been talking about for
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my friends who cover politics and the people who are
who are on this beat, there is such a resistance
to challenge the status quo um in both parties if
we're being honest, because everyone knows that they're afraid of
Trump and they feel like if you cross him in
whatever way possible, that ruins your career. And then there
are those like an AOC who is bold and says
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things that really fire. I mean, she has a cult following,
and she really fires people up, and she polarizes people.
But there's power and some of the things she says.
And I'm a realist, I don't think everybody's gonna get
it right. If if I ran for office, I won't
get You're not gonna agree with everything. I say. That's fine.
If the same for you, it's fine. But the reality is,
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is there some sort of fear to challenge and push
hard and come together and work is one I don't
I don't know what we are to do. If I
had to look, I wouldn't want to choose either party
and and and then there brings in this voter apathy.
But we must remain diligent. So is there hope? Well,
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I believe hope is a moral imperative. But the situation
is very gnarly and very complicated. It's worth noting that
the first two presidents of the United States warned us
against political parties. There's political parties are not mentioned in
the Constitution. Isn't it interesting that we have six brands
of tooth bases and only two brands of political Canada? Correct,
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So the political parties have have put a chokehold on
the process. Abolition came from the Abolitionist Party, Women's suffrage
came from the Women's Party, Social security came from the
Socialist Party. Historically, third party voices were very important, they
were vital. Real movements forward and social justice did not
come from the major parties. Today, however, there is not
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only a a an effort to delegitimize and peripheralize and
silence even third party voices within the Democratic Party, there
is a vicious determination to sideline and to suppress real
progressive voices, which is insane. Well, it's insane politically because
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this is where young people are. This is I mean,
young people are like, what is global capitalism ever done
for me? Young people are saying this system isn't working
for me. So what they're doing is they're projecting onto progressives. Now,
who are the progressive? Progressive people are those who are
supporting the things that the majority of Americans want, Medicare
for all, another, it's fundamental economic reform, Medicare for all,
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free college um, cancelation of the college loan debt, higher
minimum wise. This is what progressives are standing for. This
is what the Jordan people want, which should translate into
winning elections. But the corporates who are who are doing
more to obey their corporate masters than their constituents, would
like people to think that the Progressives are trying to
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hijack the Democratic Party. The truth is they hijacked the
Democratic Party, the corporates, the you know, it is just
the equivalent of what Martiner the pay meant when you
talked about the white moderates. Yes, which you're dangerous, right.
They hijacked the party and all the progressives are trying
to do is to take it back to its FDR
and new deal roots correct, and the war is on
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and didn't look what they did to Nina Turner. And
on top of that, Okay, so I can go all
over the place with this, I love you for talking
about white moderates because they're the most dangerous and and
and and we and they live boldly and loudly, and
they make no apology about where they stand. When we
come back, we'll have more. Marianne Williamson after the break.
Every champion and every champion is to be a champion,
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a champion and very champion. They carry chappion champion, and
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Andy carry Chappi and can make it. Welcome back everyone,
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um so again, Mary ed Williamson, still with us. This
this this is special for me, guys, and the way
in which I explain how we met, why it seems
so divine, and why I am really paying attention to
the world around me because nothing happens, you know, by accident.
It just doesn't Listen to her share her story about
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what she believes is the way to change. I want
you to talk to my listener, my marginalized listener, my
my black and my brown young women who who feel hopeless.
Like you said, it's uh, it not necessarily what you
feel all the time. But if you look at this country,
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you think, who's here to protect us? What are some
some call to actions? If you will, if I really
want to, if I really want to get out here
and see a difference, I cannot believe what happened with
Row versus. Wait, there are people sitting here and I'm
speaking because I spoke to some a young lady today
and she's like, I just don't know what to do.
I don't even want to bring kids into this world
with this type of world. What would you say, Well,
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there are so many elements to what you just um
spoke about. When I was running for president, I used
to say everywhere I go, i'd say, please raise your hand.
If you were either a young person who has said
or you have heard a young person say what you
just said, I don't even want to bring a child
into this world. Economically, environmentally, the state of our democracy.
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I don't even know if I want to bring a
child into this everywhere I went carried all over the country,
I would say, at least the fifth of the room
would raise their hand, and I'd ask the people who
raise their hand to please keep their hand up. And
then i'd everybody else look around, and I say, this
is not normal. So that's the first thing. This is
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not normal. This is as the people who are saying
I'm traumatized by this, the first thing I would do
is legitimize your trauma. Okay, it is as bad as
you think it is. On the other hand, I would
point you that the point out that the people who
walked across the bridge at Selma were traumatized as well.
The women suffragets who were thrown into prison for marching
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for women's right to vote. The conditions in the prison
were so terrible that the they went on a hunger strike,
and the prison officials put sent men into their cells
and and put metal contraptions around their neck to force
feed them. Our ancestors were traumatized. I think that I
think there's a lot about looking at our ancestors. These
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are not the first tough times we had slagh avery
in this country. Sure well, I mean, well, you know
that in perspective, this is that's put in perspective. I
identify the problems, but identify with the problem solvers. We
in ways that we did not expect, are living at
one of those moments where the forces that have always
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been with us, they were there at the beginning. There
were slave owners designed the depth wation of independence. The
forces which actually use all of their money and all
of their power to thwart the embodiment of the principles
on which we purport to stand and are willing to
do so even in violent ways. They're back, not that
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they ever left, but they're in ascendence right now. They
are their energized. They're energized, and the answer is we
have to be energized to how carry When you look
at all of those um movements that we talked about
before Abolition, women's suffrage, and the civil rights movement, they
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all emerged from spiritual and religious forces. Abolition, that Iss Foothold,
and the early evangelical churches in New Hampshire. Many of
the women who were women suffragets who were Quakers, and
Dr King was a Baptist preacher. So the left has
become very oversecularized. But this is an aberration. This we
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when you say, what are we supposed to do? Was
supposed to know? Miracles happen and we in our time
are going to be conduits of them, and we're going
to push back about as the ship because we do
not want to raise our children within it. What exactly
we're going to do, we don't know, but that we're
going to do it. That's where it has to come first.
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It's an internal thing. Oh no, this will not stand.
Just like you do when you have a child in
your house, and anybody who's ever had a teenager in
their house, you know there comes a time and you go,
this will not happen. It might be sex, it might
be drugs you do and you don't even know what
it is you would do, but you know this will
not happen, and you are so fierce. You are fierce,
You are fierce about it. We have to own our
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fierceness and know that our that the nihilism and there's
no hope and the negativity and the don't even bother
voting stuff is the opposite. That's when they've really got you.
So we have to cry, we have to be upset,
and we have to move forward. Now, for instance, on
this abortion thing, we just lost a great battle, there
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is no doubt about it. But the battle continues. It
continues on the levels of the state. We all have
to fall in love with state level politics. Now. Uh,
some of us live in states where your government, your governor,
and your legislatures on your side, they're going to codify
UM protections. And some of us live in states where, man,
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we better get busy. Run for office. You know, one
of the things I would say, when you said, what
is the young woman you run for office? Become involved
in in runs um. You can look at a site
called candidates summit dot com and see all these progressives
were in the middle of primaries right now. So the
establishment DNC corporate board democrats are just going to shove
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all these corporate democrats down our throats. It's time for
us to go No, we're standing for something different. Each
and every one of us will be guided just like
you and I felt when we were when we met
on the plane. Well, this isn't an accident in each
and every one of us. The universe is like a GPS.
When you take a wrong turn, the GPS will recalibrate,
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and things are recalibrating right now. And each of us,
I think, are receiving the instruction internally through prayer, through meditation.
How can I move forward in my own life, in
my own personal relationships as well as with my community
and make a difference at this extraordinary moment. It's interesting
what you're saying. I want to go back to what
you said on the state level, the President of Planned Parenthood,
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I believe that there are twenty six states that are
ready to oppose Roe v. Wade. I believe it was
twenty six. The others obviously will be in for a battle.
But the cart of action would be what do you
feel in your spirit to do? Because there is a
way for us to change it. We don't have to
accept it. Everybody if their basis energized, our base can
be energized to But Maryanne, I'm hearing what I think
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is a beautiful thing, but probably not necessarily difficult, but
hard for people to understand. You're saying as a political
activists as a spiritual leader, the to go hand in hand.
Every great movement is built in spirituality. It's come from
some religion. And you're saying, if we as a people
really start to to find and you may not believe
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in God and I believe in Jesus and you don't,
there is a spiritual component in you that that really
pushes you forward to say I can change this. So
so talk to me about the intersection of the two,
because it's a beautiful thing. But I can't I can't
see everybody being as sophisticated to understand it and know
what it is when they see it. Well, the main
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message of both Christianity and Judaism and all the great
religious systems is that God's will has never not been done.
Crucifixion is followed by the resurrection. The um Uh slavery
in Egypt was followed by deliverance of the Promised Land.
So what the religious understanding, what the spiritual understanding gives
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you is so we're going to get there. We're gonna
get there. The issue is what human beings do to
make the time it takes to get their shorter rather
than longer. And when you start from that that you're
living in the resurrection. And Judaism it says, during the
darkest night, live as if the morning has already come,
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even in the midst of oppression, in the midst of injustice,
you praise God m And that's a psychological a religious
power is a psychological power. You get that it is
already done and we are downloading the forces that will
actually make it happen. If you look at what we're
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you know, going back, look at what we're going through
now compared to what people were going through during slaveling,
nothing nothing, I mean, you can't even compare. And surely,
surely abolitionists had tough days. Surely women's after jets had
tough days. Surely civil rights workers had tough days. There
is a way carry and which we do need to
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toughen up a little bit, we do. You know, there's
a point at which, you know, like if you're talking
to a friend, if you and I were talking about
going through something, there's a point at which, yes, you
have to process, you have to feel. But there's also
a point at which this becomes spewing, This becomes self indulgent,
(37:56):
and some and of someone who really loves you says,
get out of bed, texts, shower, get dressed, m hm,
time to get up m that's what you're saying. Right
now is a time, time to get up well, and
it's time to cry too. I mean, there a lot
of hours in the day. I mean, this thing that's
happening with Roll v Waite is rough. You know, I
always say, pray in the morning, kick ass in the afternoon.
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You fortify your inner self through prayer, through meditation, to mindfulness,
to whatever your practice is. Because everything that's happening is
an assault on our nervous system. It's really there. They
know what they're doing. You know what they're doing. There's
something they're just the demeaning, the insults, the invalidation, and
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then the Democratic Party, you know, it contributes to the gaslighting.
I mean you have. BLM was the largest, was the
largest protest movement in the history of this country. And
all it's led to there's not one serious fundamental legislative
change other than which is which is, which is a
disgusting thing, Which is disgusting, and and and it. Here's though,
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my frustration as someone who was very active. We know
people from BLM, We know people who are out there
on the ground, such as yourself and trying to make
significant change. You don't have to agree with the change
what I am doing something because I don't want to
be in this world this way. And then we and
then we have two choices. Biden wasn't the answer. I
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definitely know the black community wanted the lesser of two evils,
and then the push to make sure that he had
some some bit of diversity on the ticket, right, And
then here we are finding ourselves just checking for Biden,
but like with our noses held find as long as
we don't have to deal with Trump, like literally, that's
what it was like, no choice, but I'll take the
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lesser of two evils. It reminds me of your walking
down the street. You see evil over here, you see
evil over there, Well, what evil can I stand and
that should not be the country you that we live
in because unfortunately we find ourselves in these positions. And
as I said to you on the plane, it is
very clear to me that it's the super rich versus
everybody else because they are alined. It is, it is,
(40:14):
it's scary, it is I don't disagree with that at all,
and it and it has dystopian implications. It really isn't
left versus right, it's the system versus the people. And
when we realize that, how do the people start to ignite?
Because it's not left versus right because they're they're not
serving anybody's purpose. So here, here we have this message,
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and I love you for for making it so crystal clear.
It is a download. It is spiritual. It is whatever
we feel in our spirit that makes us want to
move that intestinal fortitude, and we look to people for answers.
Where do we find answers? First of all, you know
Dande said that they the leader of the Indian independence
movement was the small still voice within. So whether you
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call it the Holy spirit or conscience or intuition, if
you start even five minutes in the morning, don't pick
up your phone and download the craziness of the world.
First thing, give your nervous system time to align itself
with wisdom and illumination and extraordinary synopses of possibility. I
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think the morning is so important. There was a French
philosopher who said centuries ago every problem in the world
stems from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.
So first, prepare your nervous system, just like you go
to the gym or do yoga to to train your
external muscles, train train your internal muscles. You train your
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external muscles so you can move. You train your internal
muscles so you can be nonreactive and still. Then you
realize everything that happens in my life today is just
like the acorn is programed to be the oak tree,
the bud is programed to be the blossom. I'm already
programmed to be the woman that I am, or man
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I am capable of being, and every situation I am
in today will give me an invitation to be even
better and also a challenge, because I will be tempted
to remain in my weakness. We're all wounded, Carrie, but
we make a choice in life whether or not to
act from the wound and what's going on now that
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recalibration of the GPS. Nobody has a broad stroke that's
going to fix everything. This is the zeitgeist is collective now.
It's what God's going to tell carry to do. It's
what God's gonna tell Maryann to do. It's what God's
gonna tell everybody listening now to do. Nobody's part is
ultimately any more important or any less important than anyone else.
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I come from a generation. I can tell you if
the cultural and political revolution is only led by soloists,
they know how to handle that. They shoot them. If
you can't, You can't shoot a song. It's like what's
going on in this union? They don't know. You know
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what I'm saying. So so we all have to rise
up and know that each and every one of us
is the center. You know, when Moses came down, God said,
I will make of you a priestly people. He's talking
to humanity. There's a prayer in the course of miracles.
You wake up every morning, where would you have me go?
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What would you help me do? What would you have
me say? And to whom? And then you see how
you meet people, things happen connections get made. You start
seeing that the universe is on the side of the correction,
but we have to make ourselves available to it. Correct
(43:53):
correct you eat. So side note, this is what I
wrote after I met you. I had spent a beautiful
week um on the East Coast, taking meetings for work
and readjusting and figuring out what was next. So I
get in front of a group of very influential people
who are asking my opinions and wanting to know about
certain things. This is before I even met you, and
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I go listen to how the universe is telling me.
Don't be discouraged. You you feel like you might be
off track because something didn't work out work wise like
you thought it would. But you were consistently finding yourself
meeting with different people who were saying to you, your
voice matters, it's important. Let's take audience. I was in
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d C for a very important branch. I couldn't really
tell you, but you know, we still can't talk about it.
But in my mind, I'm like, this is a beautiful moment.
Let me let me not forget about this moment. Because again,
the people that I met with, the minds that I
met again, all coming together saying we are not tired,
we are energized. We want to see change, change that
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affects people. My calling is from marginalized black and brown
women and for the world in itself before you to
see like you see me. It's possible, it can happen.
I can speak to my experience. I can make sure
that we are seen as a people. And then I
get on this flight with you and I turned and
I'm like, I'm in the wrong seat, Mary, I'm in
the wrong seat. And they're like, you're in two another
(45:16):
but high class problems. So I so screwed up to
the seat. You moved your seat to help somebody else,
and we're sitting on this flight and I'm like, this
is not an accident. Stay focused, don't be discouraged. I've
made myself available for it. I really have, because I
know that's the purpose, and that's what you're speaking of. Now.
This is why I know it is real and it
can happen no matter how discouraged we get, because it
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is discouraging. And there are a lot of hours in
the day, plenty of time to cry, but it's also
some time to kick some ass too, So that is
a beautiful UM message. And I even shared that with
Charlom Mane. I go, Charlom Mane, you know this is
He's like, isn't it. This is how the retal first works.
It's talking to us. It's saying, don't stop keep moving,
don't stop keep moving. It's a beautiful thing, Marian, and
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I appreciate you, and I know you're super busy. I
don't want to keep you any longer. I think I
give you taken almost too much of your time. But
thank you so much for joining me on the podcast.
Can you tell me the name of the website where
people can go and look at the candidates the oppressives
that you think are yes, yes, you can go to
candidates summit dot com candidate summit dot com and they're
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really good. And there are other real good progressive candidates
running also. But it's important right now to get active
because UM, because it's primary season right now. And just
the one other thing I want to add is to
sort of sum up everything that we're talking about. If
you only look at the world to the auspices of
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the mortal mind, it's as bad as people think it is.
But the realization is we have within us more than
the mortal mind, and within that there's a quantum realm
of infinite possibility and faith. You know, faith is an
aspect of consciousness. There's no such thing as a faithless person.
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You either have faith in the power of the disaster
or you have faith in the infinite power of God
by whatever name you call it, Universe, God, whatever, to
bring forth previously unimagined solutions. And that's what we can
do now, is to join in consciousness that previously unimagined
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solutions are possible. They're possible, They're possible. I want to
believe that, like you said, the university calibrates itself as
the GPS, We're going to get back where we need
to be. I really want to believe that you It
is okay to be discouraged. It is okay to wake
up or you know, spin your night watching the met
Ball and find out that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.
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You know what I mean, while you're making fun of
people's dresses, It's okay to say what what? I'm frustrated?
What do we do next? But the he is to
stay focused on what to do next. Marian, I'm I'm
very very interested in to see what you do next
in terms of your political aspirations and and and how
you will use your influence because it is needed and
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it is special, and like you said, nothing happens by accident.
I kind of feel the same way about you American women. Um,
this is the vortex. That's it is the vortex. It's
an honor to meet you, and an honor to talk
to Thank you, Thank you. I know it won't be
the last I think. I think we'll be in the
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I think we'll be in the same space, sued and again,
anything I can do for you, I'm here and and God,
bless you, thank you, bless you too. Marianne, have a
great line. Okay, bye bye. So I gave you a
very lengthy intro, like a super lengthy intro, and I
normally don't like to do that, but bear with me
and the tag. I'll keep it simple. Marian listed a
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site for Progressive Candida. I encourage you guys to go
um and just check it out. You don't, you can
vote whatever way you want, but just check it out.
Information is power, It's never not been and I'm a
believer of information, which is why I have her on
this podcast. And and hopefully you were able to really
take some real lessons. We are all able to create
our own reality, is what she's saying. We're all able
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to change the world. It's in us. Whether we go
and listen and pay attention and look for the clues
and the keys throughout the day, then okay, that's on us.
But wake up in the morning and take a moment
before you let your nervous system and just all the
book on Twitter and social media, take a moment, gather
yourself and realize that you have work to do. And
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while it is a long day and you may get
frustrated with what is going on in the world, there's
still time to kick some ass. I hope that people
don't feel because I do feel this sometimes hopeless or
frustrated or without power, and that is just not the case.
That is the trick of the enemy. Do not forget.
It's super rich versus everybody else, and you and I
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ain't super rich. So we need to come together. I
gotta come together for your family, for your kids, for
your kids kids, for your well being. There are ways
to fight. Everybody doesn't have to stand in front of
the camera and cuss everybody out or have a TV
show or have a podcast. But there are ways to
unite and organize, and we better do something because if
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we sit here and we watch legislation pass that affects
our children, our children's children, and do nothing about it
in a negative way, and we're just as responsible. I
hope you enjoyed this edition of Naked. I'll talk to
you all next one.
This was a very well strategized self campaign. Um, these
people have been planning this for years, and they've been
saying that they were planning it for years. This is
the thing about the Democrats and the entire neoliberal establishment
that surrounds them. This lack of psychological first cassidy, this
lack of recognition. If somebody shows you they're a jerk,
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they're a jerk. Listen, it's time to be energized, it's
time to be active. That was the great Marianne Williamson
joining us here on two days podcasts. So by way
of background, I'll share more about who she is, but
the way in which we met it's gonna blow your mind.
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have a very very personal story to share with you.
So last week I was on the East Coast and
if you follow me on social media, you saw that
I was posting about being in Philly and I was
also in New York and then I went to the
d C and then I came home and I and
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I am a big believer that everything happens for a reason.
I do believe that my steps are ordered. I do
believe that whatever happens to me is because that is
what is supposed to be the will in which God
has for me. And I say all that to say
that my time on the West Coast was supposed to
be for meetings to recalibrate what I was gonna do
now that our show has not is not going to
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be on. Plus all these different things were happening. I'm
taking all of these different meetings. But the moment after moment,
I realized, I find myself in much more casual environments,
not meeting environments like Hi many, miss Carrie, shake your hand,
but in casual environments where I'm talking to change makers,
people who I want to see a different policy in
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the world, people who create policy, people who are influential influencers.
I'm not gonna name drop, but it was a bunch
of folks that have over the years become a part
of my unor circle, people I consider friends, people I
admire from afar and now they're friends. And so that
past week on the East Coast really opened my eyes.
And I didn't know why I was having these meetings,
(03:02):
or if or why I was able to get audience
with some of these people. But one of them, and
a truly serendipitous moment was Mary Anne Williamson. I am
flying home from Washington, d C. I am sitting in
the wrong seat. I moved to the seat in front
of me. The woman who's sitting next to me was
(03:24):
moved her seat because she wanted a couple to sit
next to them, and it just so happens to be
best selling. All their political activists and spiritual thought leader
mary Anne Williamson. Now, if you are an OPRAH fan,
as I am, that is how I really I think.
I first met Mary Anne Williamson in the sense of
who she is and what she does. But over three
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decades she has been a leader in spiritual and religiously
progressive circles. She has written fourteen books, four of them
have been number one New York Times bestsellers. Um, you guys,
remember our return to love. Our deepest fear is not
that we are inadequate it. Our deepest fear is that
we are powerful beyond measure. It is considered an anthem
(04:06):
for a generation, contemporary generation of thought seekers. Our greatest
fear is that we are amazing. And the older I get,
the more true I understand that statement, or that statement
seems to be more true for me. Uh. And while
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I knew I was sitting next to her, I didn't
want to harass her. I didn't want her to be like, Okay,
don't bother me, Lady I'm doing my thing. But she
was so open. She was talking to me. She was like,
what are you doing? And I was kind of reluctant
to talk to her a little bit, KG because I
know what it feels like to want to chill out
on the flight, if you've been on for a week
or two. I understand when you don't want to be bothered.
I try to respect people's privacy that are in always right,
(04:50):
not whether you're a note or not. I just try
to respect your privacy because I would like that same courtesy.
But because she was so engaging and she wanted to
talk to me, we talked about everything. We talked about life,
we talked about politics, we talked about love, we talked
about what's going on in the world. And this was
way before Row versus Wade, and by way before I
(05:10):
mean two days before no a day before, a day before.
It was Sunday night, um, and I said, I'll reach
out to you. I would love to have you on
my podcast. I know you ran for you know she
was on the presidential ticket in and I was like,
I know you ran for office in Will you be
running again? She doesn't know. But the point of the
(05:31):
matter is is that I was impressed by this fearless
woman who and I'm guessing maybe five too maybe, but
she packed some mighty mighty punch in her presence is powerful.
And the next day, while sitting at home watching Met Gala,
complaining about outfits that I couldn't even afford if my
life depended on it, I got the news the draft
(05:53):
was leaked. The draft was accurate, and it was leaked.
Roll versus Wade will be overturned. Um Conservative Court says
it is time to overturn Roe v. Waite. The Republicans,
the Conservatives, the conservative people, groups, parties name it have
all been waiting for this moment, and it's it's just scary.
It's scary. And if you're not scared, then you don't
(06:16):
understand the long term effects of what will happen. So
I called up Maryann and I said, listen, I know
I just met you on a Sunday, but the world
has changed within twenty four hours. Do you mind coming
on the podcast? And she said of course. Now little
oh me talking to this woman, And I thought, another sign,
(06:37):
another sign that someone who is really trying to make
a difference in the world really wants to commune with me,
to talk to me, to share with me. And I
thought to myself, this is amazing. I love this idea.
And today we talked about it all. We talked about
Roll versus Wade, We talked about the Democratic Party versus
the Republican Party. She said that Obama failed in a
(06:59):
lot of way ease, and I know so many of us,
especially in the black community, love Obama, and you don't
want to hear about what he did not do because
of the fact that he was the first. He was
able to show us so much and give us so
much hope, and he serves such a beautiful purpose, and
he introduced us and gave us are forever first lady
in Michelle Obama, who, by the way, Marianne Williamson said
she could be president if she wanted to be. She's
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smart enough to know better. Though Michelle, like, I can
keep on that, I'm not about to be out here
stressed out. However, I think she's the only person that
if in fact she wanted to go up against the
Republican Party, she'd be the only person that I could
beat Trump, because because that's what's happening, guys, what you
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see happening in the world today, Elon Musk buying Twitter.
You when you see Roll versus Wade being overturned, when
you see the super rich aligning and essentially telling everyone
else they don't matter. They're making way for that man,
that Orange man, so that he can come back and
do the dirty work for all of them. This isn't
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about left or right. This is about super rich versus
everybody else, super rich versus everybody else, and the super
rich people they are. It is a very tight collective community.
We know people with money, we know wealthy people. But
the people who can give you a billion dollars I e.
Larry Ellison to buy or to help purchase Twitter. To
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Elon Musk, that's super rich. I don't have an extra
billion lying around and I'm not even getting into who
helped him purchase Twitter. But no, they don't look like us,
talk like us, think like us, the super rich versus
everybody else. But we've been distracted, and so here comes
Mary Ann Williamson. And while we may not all agree
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with her politics, are the same things that are certain
things that she may say. That's just life. We won't
agree with everything everyone says. We all didn't agree with Obama.
We don't all agree with Bernie. We definitely don't agree
with Trump's asked, so I don't anyway. I'll speak of myself.
So we find ourselves in this very sensitive moment. Politically, spiritually,
(09:08):
um racially, all of the intersections of the world are
coming together, and now they are attacking women's rights. I
am a Christian, and I want to say this loud
and clear. I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ,
he is my Lord and Savior, and in my religion,
you should not abort. But that still doesn't mean that
I have the right to tell a woman what to do.
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The problem is today we can't agree or disagree. We
can't put things in different boxes. We can't we can't
express ourselves because we have to take a side. And
that's where the super rich are learning to distract us.
So get a pen and paper, because Marianne takes us
to class. When I tell you, she's a true spiritual leader,
(09:52):
an activists, a mother, a nurturer, author, she's all the things,
and she's combining all of that into this beautiful message
to share with the world to ignite us. Because they,
whomever they may be, are ignited and if we don't
start feeling energized to do something to change the world.
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Whatever that looks like. Right on a small level, it's voting.
On another level, it's voting for the people in your district,
in your community. It's your mayors, it's your city council,
it's your governor. Right on a larger level, maybe you're donating,
Maybe you're giving money to a cause that you can
actually see the change coming from said cause. We all
can do something. It is time to be energized. We
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can't sit back and complain. We cannot let apathy take over. UM.
I rarely go into the political realm in this podcast,
but I'm feeling the need listen to her thoughts on
what's happening in the world today and how we as
a people can change. Maryanne Williamson and Marian First of all,
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what happened in the hours we met each other on
this From this Sunday we met each other to today.
The world has changed, Our whole conversation changed. It has
it really has. You and I had a sense so
we would meet again. We didn't know it would be
so soon. Obviously, the Supreme Court lake of the decision
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to overturn roev away has changed everything. It's an earthquake,
no doubt about it. It was interesting because I, first
of all, Um, I am a fan, and so I'm
letting our listeners know. And I set this up in
the beginning of the podcast of how I've read several
of your books. I've always thought that you were special
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and had a message for the world. And and I'm
sure you know that. Um, you ran for president, in
which I thought was so courageous, and you are fearless
to me in that capacity. But that's who you are.
That's what you've been born to do. But I never
thought that I would live in an age and I
would hear people say they're going to overturn ro versus weight.
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I didn't feel like it was I did insist the urgency,
did you, Well, yes, because I'm old enough to remember
when we didn't have uh legalized abortion. So I think
people of a certain age have long felt, Oh, younger
women don't know, they don't get it. They've never lived
in a time when they didn't have this legal right.
And you know, it changed everything sexually, it changed it
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changes everything on such deep levels. Once women knew they
could get a legal abortion it. I think a lot
of the sexual revolution emerged from that. This will make
everything different, even in these deepest intimate regions of should
I should, I will I won't I things that have
to do with most intimate aspects of our lives. Um. So, yeah, I,
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along with anyone who remembers, knew that this was bigger
than a lot of younger people realized. Then let's go there.
When the time was you could not get an abortion legally,
what was that like? What was the idea or images
surrounded or thoughts about sex during that time? Well, I
wasn't in my sexual you know, I wasn't sexual yet.
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I'm not that old Carrie, come down, Come, You're like,
I'm not. I was like in my mim and like, wait,
we had this conversation. It was it was enough that
I was, Um, I think it was nineteen seventy three.
I was born in nineteen fifty two, so I was
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already sexually active. But the whole thing that happened with
the sexual revolution at that time, it just opened everything up.
You know, even before that discovery of the pill, um,
there are so many things that you know, I think
Carrie of myself as anybody gets to a certain ages.
There's this phrase keeper of the story. I think there
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are so many things which were different for better and
for worse before the nineteen seven and is before the
nineteen eighties. So yeah, I think the older you are,
the more you have a sense of the historical trajectory
that got us to where we are. What where did
the Democrats fail? I read yourself, Stack and you and
you said this is a gross overreach. And I think
we can be outraged. I saw Elizabeth Warren was angry.
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Everyone is angry, Um, but where did the where did
that we first see the cracks in the system towards
the Supreme Court? When it comes to the Democrat Barack Obama,
Barack Obama said that he when he was running that
he would make the codification of Reproductive Rights a UM
a priority in his administration. He said that he would
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do it, and then when he became president, on this,
as with a lot of things, he said, well, we
shouldn't make a legislative priority. Then, as we know, when
he didn't um take the opportunity to appoint Merrick Garland
when he could have, he thought, oh, hello, is gonna win.
You know, people people say that apparently Barack Obama. I
thought Hillary was gonna win until the last minute, so
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he said, you know, Hillary will a point who she was.
I think I mentioned you carry because I live in Washington,
d C. People say it's a bubble. It's really more
of a feeling of a walled city. So I think
where a lot of people have been feeling like, um,
this is dangerous. We should prevent this, we should do things.
There's this sense living in Washington, d C. Oh, we
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can handle this or that will have the Supreme Court. Um.
So the Democrats failed us entirely on this issue. And
I think that if more women were in office, it
wouldn't have been uh, seeing as such a lower priority.
The court is conservative. Trump pushed in three of his
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his appointees, which is unheard of, and we watched and
people were not outraged at that moment. There were a
small group who were very aware, but I think by
and large, the world was so distracted with everything that
was happening with Trump. He is the master of chaos,
and because he created so much chaos, many of us,
myself included, I didn't understand the significance of pushing in
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three appointees. What did that. Do you know what that
did was to guarantee that they could do things like
they've done right now. This was a very well strategized
self campaign. Um. These people have been planning this for years,
and they've been saying that they were planning it for years.
This is the thing about the Democrats and the entire
neoliberal establishment that surrounds them. This lack of psychological perspicacity,
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this lack of recognition. If somebody shows you they're a jerk,
they're a jerk. I mean stop. You know. It's like
Susan Collins now is saying, I just can't believe that
Brett cavan All lied to me. Excuse me, you can't
believe that he lied to you. So UM. And even
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now I find with Joe Biden, he doesn't seem not
overly concerned. He's not talking about you know, they could
break the filibuster, he could use the bullet bully pulpa
to UM fight for that. You see the anger on
the part of people like Bernie, like Elizabeth Warren, like
Kirsten gillibrand. UM. But the powers that be, even within
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the Democratic Party, to really go for them. Go to
the map right now, UM helps not coming from from there,
and you said something that I think is important. The
Republicans have been very clear, I I call it. They've
been very gangster. They're like, this is what we're doing.
Watch just do it, unapologetic, no questions asked, um, and
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if you have a problem with it, do something. There
are no rules for them, so everything is on the table.
So if they could in the world that we live
in right now, overturn Roe v. Wade, what's next? What
everybody is talking about in your what could it be? Oh,
that could make uh, they could make gay marriage illegal.
They could make all kinds of trans trans rights illegal.
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I mean, they could really start coming after things, um,
one by one. You know, the Republicans abuse power, but
the Democrats, the Democratic establishment doesn't use the power that
it has. Barack Obama had a supermajority. Barack Obama had
a time with the supermajority. It could and what he
could have done if he had actually chosen once he
was president to be the president that he told it
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was told us he wanted to be in two thousand days.
The problem is is that I feel oftentimes the Democratic
Party believes in the good of people, or at least
they want to think that they do well. Then they're
like Joe always talks about his friends that he's been
on the hill with three years. These are his friends,
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I know exactly exactly that exactly that well. Actually, I
think that really line applies more to Bernie Sanders, who
keeps talking about my friend Joe Biden. How many times
your friends betray you before you stop calling them your friend? Correct?
But you know it's interesting these people, you know, the
Democratic elite, consider themselves such psychological sophisticates. They consider themselves
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such intellectual sophisticates. Anybody who's ever dated a jerk knows
any I mean, you know, anybody, when are you going
to grow up, wise up and get that this is
who this person is and this is how this person
is going to act. That's whether it has to do,
by the way, with the Republicans or with Vladimir Putin.
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You lack of psychological perspicacity that is involved in politics,
and when anyone talks about how we need to start
applying our deeper psychological understanding of people and events, they
call that unsophisticated, They call that unqualified for leadership, when
really that should be the main qualification for leading US
into a new era or pairing new generation. That's the
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main qualification because if you're able to understand people who
they are at at some some level, you know how
they'll move, you know how they there, they will choose,
how they will make decisions, and how it will affect you.
And you just said it. Anybody who's dated a jerk,
a guy jerk or a female jerk, apply to any
relationship worked for a jerk. You know, once they show you,
they show you. So I'm looking at a group of
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women who are concerned. Um. I talked to a couple
of Mintis in their twenties. They're like, what does this
mean for me? Um? What is this fight? If you
can look into the future, what type of what type
of leadership are you looking for for this country? To
what what's going to stop Trump? Because as we can see,
they're putting every single every single card, they're putting everything
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in position to make sure that this man can have
another shot. And if not him, then rand Randa Santas,
who I think that's pretty much almost as dangerous. It
just as dangerous as dangerous. Agree with that? Well, the
democratic establishment thinks that we rise them off money, we
can beat them but that's kind of absurd. Hillary Clinton
naturally raised quite a bit more money than UM than
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Donald Trump did, so I don't believe that Joe Biden
would defeat Trump. I don't believe Kamala Harris would defeat Trump.
I don't believe any of the establishment Democrats would defeat Trump.
I don't either, And I think one of the reasons
they wouldn't defeat Trump is because they have proven during
the time that Biden has been president that they're not
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willing to actually present to the American people a start
contrasting agenda to the corporatus agenda of the Republicans. I
believe that our country is like a ship that is listing.
It is almost full on its side. When Franklin Mozabout
was president, he and Eleanor Roosevelt talked about transitioning from
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the alleviation of distress to fundamental economic reform. The Democrats
the Republicans obviously don't care how many millions of people
are suffering. They don't care. The Democrats wring their hands
and they say they care, and they give a little here,
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a little there to address the pain on the periphery,
but they are not willing to challenge the underlying forces
that make the perpetuation of that suffering inevitable. Now, the
majority of American people are with us. The majority of
American people want fundamental economic reform. The majority of American
people want Medicare for all. The majority of American people
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want free college. The majority of American people want to
hire minimum wage. The majority of American people want at
least the substantial cancelation of the college loan debt. The
average American gets it that the majority of Americans are
being squashed. Here, that our government now, rather than supporting
the dreams of the majority of Americans, are actually passing
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policies that squash the dreams of the majority of Americans.
Even the issue of race, racial equity, racial justice. The
average American, just the average American, even the average um
uhn servant, it gets, you know, we really need to
do something, and all you're gonna do is make Juneteenth
a holiday. Even even there are righteous, high minded conservatives
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who do get something's going on in the police forces.
They're they're not people. The American people are not stupid.
They understand about the infiltration of the proud wars of
the oathkeepers of the police of what is this with
its unarmed Black people are not stupid, but we have
a political corporatous agenda, neoliberal establishment, where corporate money holds
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hostage our government to such an extent that the government
itself has become a system of legalized bribery. And that's
why when we do see things like little sprigs of hope,
you know, little greens shoots coming up from the ground.
Christian Smalls unionizing at Amazon is an example of that.
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The unionizing going on at Starbucks is an example up
all of that. I hope that the wind of Nina
Turner would be an example of that, but the machine
crushed her and they progressive establishment abandoned her. Yeah, it's
if you are not. And I think what I've been
able to watch and what we've been talking about for
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my friends who cover politics and the people who are
who are on this beat, there is such a resistance
to challenge the status quo um in both parties if
we're being honest, because everyone knows that they're afraid of
Trump and they feel like if you cross him in
whatever way possible, that ruins your career. And then there
are those like an AOC who is bold and says
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things that really fire. I mean, she has a cult following,
and she really fires people up, and she polarizes people.
But there's power and some of the things she says.
And I'm a realist, I don't think everybody's gonna get
it right. If if I ran for office, I won't
get You're not gonna agree with everything. I say. That's fine.
If the same for you, it's fine. But the reality is,
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is there some sort of fear to challenge and push
hard and come together and work is one I don't
I don't know what we are to do. If I
had to look, I wouldn't want to choose either party
and and and then there brings in this voter apathy.
But we must remain diligent. So is there hope? Well,
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I believe hope is a moral imperative. But the situation
is very gnarly and very complicated. It's worth noting that
the first two presidents of the United States warned us
against political parties. There's political parties are not mentioned in
the Constitution. Isn't it interesting that we have six brands
of tooth bases and only two brands of political Canada? Correct,
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So the political parties have have put a chokehold on
the process. Abolition came from the Abolitionist Party, Women's suffrage
came from the Women's Party, Social security came from the
Socialist Party. Historically, third party voices were very important, they
were vital. Real movements forward and social justice did not
come from the major parties. Today, however, there is not
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only a a an effort to delegitimize and peripheralize and
silence even third party voices within the Democratic Party, there
is a vicious determination to sideline and to suppress real
progressive voices, which is insane. Well, it's insane politically because
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this is where young people are. This is I mean,
young people are like, what is global capitalism ever done
for me? Young people are saying this system isn't working
for me. So what they're doing is they're projecting onto progressives. Now,
who are the progressive? Progressive people are those who are
supporting the things that the majority of Americans want, Medicare
for all, another, it's fundamental economic reform, Medicare for all,
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free college um, cancelation of the college loan debt, higher
minimum wise. This is what progressives are standing for. This
is what the Jordan people want, which should translate into
winning elections. But the corporates who are who are doing
more to obey their corporate masters than their constituents, would
like people to think that the Progressives are trying to
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hijack the Democratic Party. The truth is they hijacked the
Democratic Party, the corporates, the you know, it is just
the equivalent of what Martiner the pay meant when you
talked about the white moderates. Yes, which you're dangerous, right.
They hijacked the party and all the progressives are trying
to do is to take it back to its FDR
and new deal roots correct, and the war is on
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and didn't look what they did to Nina Turner. And
on top of that, Okay, so I can go all
over the place with this, I love you for talking
about white moderates because they're the most dangerous and and
and and we and they live boldly and loudly, and
they make no apology about where they stand. When we
come back, we'll have more. Marianne Williamson after the break.
Every champion and every champion is to be a champion,
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a champion and very champion. They carry chappion champion, and
carry Chappion and carry Cheppi Sports and the saming can
make it work. Harry Chappion and carry Chappion is to
champion a champion. They carry Chappion Champion. They carry Chappion,
Andy carry Chappi and can make it. Welcome back everyone,
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um so again, Mary ed Williamson, still with us. This
this this is special for me, guys, and the way
in which I explain how we met, why it seems
so divine, and why I am really paying attention to
the world around me because nothing happens, you know, by accident.
It just doesn't Listen to her share her story about
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what she believes is the way to change. I want
you to talk to my listener, my marginalized listener, my
my black and my brown young women who who feel hopeless.
Like you said, it's uh, it not necessarily what you
feel all the time. But if you look at this country,
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you think, who's here to protect us? What are some
some call to actions? If you will, if I really
want to, if I really want to get out here
and see a difference, I cannot believe what happened with
Row versus. Wait, there are people sitting here and I'm
speaking because I spoke to some a young lady today
and she's like, I just don't know what to do.
I don't even want to bring kids into this world
with this type of world. What would you say, Well,
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there are so many elements to what you just um
spoke about. When I was running for president, I used
to say everywhere I go, i'd say, please raise your hand.
If you were either a young person who has said
or you have heard a young person say what you
just said, I don't even want to bring a child
into this world. Economically, environmentally, the state of our democracy.
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I don't even know if I want to bring a
child into this everywhere I went carried all over the country,
I would say, at least the fifth of the room
would raise their hand, and I'd ask the people who
raise their hand to please keep their hand up. And
then i'd everybody else look around, and I say, this
is not normal. So that's the first thing. This is
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not normal. This is as the people who are saying
I'm traumatized by this, the first thing I would do
is legitimize your trauma. Okay, it is as bad as
you think it is. On the other hand, I would
point you that the point out that the people who
walked across the bridge at Selma were traumatized as well.
The women suffragets who were thrown into prison for marching
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for women's right to vote. The conditions in the prison
were so terrible that the they went on a hunger strike,
and the prison officials put sent men into their cells
and and put metal contraptions around their neck to force
feed them. Our ancestors were traumatized. I think that I
think there's a lot about looking at our ancestors. These
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are not the first tough times we had slagh avery
in this country. Sure well, I mean, well, you know
that in perspective, this is that's put in perspective. I
identify the problems, but identify with the problem solvers. We
in ways that we did not expect, are living at
one of those moments where the forces that have always
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been with us, they were there at the beginning. There
were slave owners designed the depth wation of independence. The
forces which actually use all of their money and all
of their power to thwart the embodiment of the principles
on which we purport to stand and are willing to
do so even in violent ways. They're back, not that
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they ever left, but they're in ascendence right now. They
are their energized. They're energized, and the answer is we
have to be energized to how carry When you look
at all of those um movements that we talked about
before Abolition, women's suffrage, and the civil rights movement, they
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all emerged from spiritual and religious forces. Abolition, that Iss Foothold,
and the early evangelical churches in New Hampshire. Many of
the women who were women suffragets who were Quakers, and
Dr King was a Baptist preacher. So the left has
become very oversecularized. But this is an aberration. This we
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when you say, what are we supposed to do? Was
supposed to know? Miracles happen and we in our time
are going to be conduits of them, and we're going
to push back about as the ship because we do
not want to raise our children within it. What exactly
we're going to do, we don't know, but that we're
going to do it. That's where it has to come first.
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It's an internal thing. Oh no, this will not stand.
Just like you do when you have a child in
your house, and anybody who's ever had a teenager in
their house, you know there comes a time and you go,
this will not happen. It might be sex, it might
be drugs you do and you don't even know what
it is you would do, but you know this will
not happen, and you are so fierce. You are fierce,
You are fierce about it. We have to own our
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fierceness and know that our that the nihilism and there's
no hope and the negativity and the don't even bother
voting stuff is the opposite. That's when they've really got you.
So we have to cry, we have to be upset,
and we have to move forward. Now, for instance, on
this abortion thing, we just lost a great battle, there
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is no doubt about it. But the battle continues. It
continues on the levels of the state. We all have
to fall in love with state level politics. Now. Uh,
some of us live in states where your government, your governor,
and your legislatures on your side, they're going to codify
UM protections. And some of us live in states where, man,
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we better get busy. Run for office. You know, one
of the things I would say, when you said, what
is the young woman you run for office? Become involved
in in runs um. You can look at a site
called candidates summit dot com and see all these progressives
were in the middle of primaries right now. So the
establishment DNC corporate board democrats are just going to shove
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all these corporate democrats down our throats. It's time for
us to go No, we're standing for something different. Each
and every one of us will be guided just like
you and I felt when we were when we met
on the plane. Well, this isn't an accident in each
and every one of us. The universe is like a GPS.
When you take a wrong turn, the GPS will recalibrate,
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and things are recalibrating right now. And each of us,
I think, are receiving the instruction internally through prayer, through meditation.
How can I move forward in my own life, in
my own personal relationships as well as with my community
and make a difference at this extraordinary moment. It's interesting
what you're saying. I want to go back to what
you said on the state level, the President of Planned Parenthood,
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I believe that there are twenty six states that are
ready to oppose Roe v. Wade. I believe it was
twenty six. The others obviously will be in for a battle.
But the cart of action would be what do you
feel in your spirit to do? Because there is a
way for us to change it. We don't have to
accept it. Everybody if their basis energized, our base can
be energized to But Maryanne, I'm hearing what I think
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is a beautiful thing, but probably not necessarily difficult, but
hard for people to understand. You're saying as a political
activists as a spiritual leader, the to go hand in hand.
Every great movement is built in spirituality. It's come from
some religion. And you're saying, if we as a people
really start to to find and you may not believe
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in God and I believe in Jesus and you don't,
there is a spiritual component in you that that really
pushes you forward to say I can change this. So
so talk to me about the intersection of the two,
because it's a beautiful thing. But I can't I can't
see everybody being as sophisticated to understand it and know
what it is when they see it. Well, the main
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message of both Christianity and Judaism and all the great
religious systems is that God's will has never not been done.
Crucifixion is followed by the resurrection. The um Uh slavery
in Egypt was followed by deliverance of the Promised Land.
So what the religious understanding, what the spiritual understanding gives
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you is so we're going to get there. We're gonna
get there. The issue is what human beings do to
make the time it takes to get their shorter rather
than longer. And when you start from that that you're
living in the resurrection. And Judaism it says, during the
darkest night, live as if the morning has already come,
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even in the midst of oppression, in the midst of injustice,
you praise God m And that's a psychological a religious
power is a psychological power. You get that it is
already done and we are downloading the forces that will
actually make it happen. If you look at what we're
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you know, going back, look at what we're going through
now compared to what people were going through during slaveling,
nothing nothing, I mean, you can't even compare. And surely,
surely abolitionists had tough days. Surely women's after jets had
tough days. Surely civil rights workers had tough days. There
is a way carry and which we do need to
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toughen up a little bit, we do. You know, there's
a point at which, you know, like if you're talking
to a friend, if you and I were talking about
going through something, there's a point at which, yes, you
have to process, you have to feel. But there's also
a point at which this becomes spewing, This becomes self indulgent,
(37:56):
and some and of someone who really loves you says,
get out of bed, texts, shower, get dressed, m hm,
time to get up m that's what you're saying. Right
now is a time, time to get up well, and
it's time to cry too. I mean, there a lot
of hours in the day. I mean, this thing that's
happening with Roll v Waite is rough. You know, I
always say, pray in the morning, kick ass in the afternoon.
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You fortify your inner self through prayer, through meditation, to mindfulness,
to whatever your practice is. Because everything that's happening is
an assault on our nervous system. It's really there. They
know what they're doing. You know what they're doing. There's
something they're just the demeaning, the insults, the invalidation, and
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then the Democratic Party, you know, it contributes to the gaslighting.
I mean you have. BLM was the largest, was the
largest protest movement in the history of this country. And
all it's led to there's not one serious fundamental legislative
change other than which is which is, which is a
disgusting thing, Which is disgusting, and and and it. Here's though,
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my frustration as someone who was very active. We know
people from BLM, We know people who are out there
on the ground, such as yourself and trying to make
significant change. You don't have to agree with the change
what I am doing something because I don't want to
be in this world this way. And then we and
then we have two choices. Biden wasn't the answer. I
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definitely know the black community wanted the lesser of two evils,
and then the push to make sure that he had
some some bit of diversity on the ticket, right, And
then here we are finding ourselves just checking for Biden,
but like with our noses held find as long as
we don't have to deal with Trump, like literally, that's
what it was like, no choice, but I'll take the
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lesser of two evils. It reminds me of your walking
down the street. You see evil over here, you see
evil over there, Well, what evil can I stand and
that should not be the country you that we live
in because unfortunately we find ourselves in these positions. And
as I said to you on the plane, it is
very clear to me that it's the super rich versus
everybody else because they are alined. It is, it is,
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it's scary, it is I don't disagree with that at all,
and it and it has dystopian implications. It really isn't
left versus right, it's the system versus the people. And
when we realize that, how do the people start to ignite?
Because it's not left versus right because they're they're not
serving anybody's purpose. So here, here we have this message,
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and I love you for for making it so crystal clear.
It is a download. It is spiritual. It is whatever
we feel in our spirit that makes us want to
move that intestinal fortitude, and we look to people for answers.
Where do we find answers? First of all, you know
Dande said that they the leader of the Indian independence
movement was the small still voice within. So whether you
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call it the Holy spirit or conscience or intuition, if
you start even five minutes in the morning, don't pick
up your phone and download the craziness of the world.
First thing, give your nervous system time to align itself
with wisdom and illumination and extraordinary synopses of possibility. I
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think the morning is so important. There was a French
philosopher who said centuries ago every problem in the world
stems from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.
So first, prepare your nervous system, just like you go
to the gym or do yoga to to train your
external muscles, train train your internal muscles. You train your
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external muscles so you can move. You train your internal
muscles so you can be nonreactive and still. Then you
realize everything that happens in my life today is just
like the acorn is programed to be the oak tree,
the bud is programed to be the blossom. I'm already
programmed to be the woman that I am, or man
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I am capable of being, and every situation I am
in today will give me an invitation to be even
better and also a challenge, because I will be tempted
to remain in my weakness. We're all wounded, Carrie, but
we make a choice in life whether or not to
act from the wound and what's going on now that
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recalibration of the GPS. Nobody has a broad stroke that's
going to fix everything. This is the zeitgeist is collective now.
It's what God's going to tell carry to do. It's
what God's gonna tell Maryann to do. It's what God's
gonna tell everybody listening now to do. Nobody's part is
ultimately any more important or any less important than anyone else.
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I come from a generation. I can tell you if
the cultural and political revolution is only led by soloists,
they know how to handle that. They shoot them. If
you can't, You can't shoot a song. It's like what's
going on in this union? They don't know. You know
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what I'm saying. So so we all have to rise
up and know that each and every one of us
is the center. You know, when Moses came down, God said,
I will make of you a priestly people. He's talking
to humanity. There's a prayer in the course of miracles.
You wake up every morning, where would you have me go?
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What would you help me do? What would you have
me say? And to whom? And then you see how
you meet people, things happen connections get made. You start
seeing that the universe is on the side of the correction,
but we have to make ourselves available to it. Correct
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correct you eat. So side note, this is what I
wrote after I met you. I had spent a beautiful
week um on the East Coast, taking meetings for work
and readjusting and figuring out what was next. So I
get in front of a group of very influential people
who are asking my opinions and wanting to know about
certain things. This is before I even met you, and
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I go listen to how the universe is telling me.
Don't be discouraged. You you feel like you might be
off track because something didn't work out work wise like
you thought it would. But you were consistently finding yourself
meeting with different people who were saying to you, your
voice matters, it's important. Let's take audience. I was in
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d C for a very important branch. I couldn't really
tell you, but you know, we still can't talk about it.
But in my mind, I'm like, this is a beautiful moment.
Let me let me not forget about this moment. Because again,
the people that I met with, the minds that I
met again, all coming together saying we are not tired,
we are energized. We want to see change, change that
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affects people. My calling is from marginalized black and brown
women and for the world in itself before you to
see like you see me. It's possible, it can happen.
I can speak to my experience. I can make sure
that we are seen as a people. And then I
get on this flight with you and I turned and
I'm like, I'm in the wrong seat, Mary, I'm in
the wrong seat. And they're like, you're in two another
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but high class problems. So I so screwed up to
the seat. You moved your seat to help somebody else,
and we're sitting on this flight and I'm like, this
is not an accident. Stay focused, don't be discouraged. I've
made myself available for it. I really have, because I
know that's the purpose, and that's what you're speaking of. Now.
This is why I know it is real and it
can happen no matter how discouraged we get, because it
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is discouraging. And there are a lot of hours in
the day, plenty of time to cry, but it's also
some time to kick some ass too, So that is
a beautiful UM message. And I even shared that with
Charlom Mane. I go, Charlom Mane, you know this is
He's like, isn't it. This is how the retal first works.
It's talking to us. It's saying, don't stop keep moving,
don't stop keep moving. It's a beautiful thing, Marian, and
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I appreciate you, and I know you're super busy. I
don't want to keep you any longer. I think I
give you taken almost too much of your time. But
thank you so much for joining me on the podcast.
Can you tell me the name of the website where
people can go and look at the candidates the oppressives
that you think are yes, yes, you can go to
candidates summit dot com candidate summit dot com and they're
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really good. And there are other real good progressive candidates
running also. But it's important right now to get active
because UM, because it's primary season right now. And just
the one other thing I want to add is to
sort of sum up everything that we're talking about. If
you only look at the world to the auspices of
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the mortal mind, it's as bad as people think it is.
But the realization is we have within us more than
the mortal mind, and within that there's a quantum realm
of infinite possibility and faith. You know, faith is an
aspect of consciousness. There's no such thing as a faithless person.
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You either have faith in the power of the disaster
or you have faith in the infinite power of God
by whatever name you call it, Universe, God, whatever, to
bring forth previously unimagined solutions. And that's what we can
do now, is to join in consciousness that previously unimagined
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solutions are possible. They're possible, They're possible. I want to
believe that, like you said, the university calibrates itself as
the GPS, We're going to get back where we need
to be. I really want to believe that you It
is okay to be discouraged. It is okay to wake
up or you know, spin your night watching the met
Ball and find out that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.
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You know what I mean, while you're making fun of
people's dresses, It's okay to say what what? I'm frustrated?
What do we do next? But the he is to
stay focused on what to do next. Marian, I'm I'm
very very interested in to see what you do next
in terms of your political aspirations and and and how
you will use your influence because it is needed and
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it is special, and like you said, nothing happens by accident.
I kind of feel the same way about you American women. Um,
this is the vortex. That's it is the vortex. It's
an honor to meet you, and an honor to talk
to Thank you, Thank you. I know it won't be
the last I think. I think we'll be in the
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I think we'll be in the same space, sued and again,
anything I can do for you, I'm here and and God,
bless you, thank you, bless you too. Marianne, have a
great line. Okay, bye bye. So I gave you a
very lengthy intro, like a super lengthy intro, and I
normally don't like to do that, but bear with me
and the tag. I'll keep it simple. Marian listed a
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site for Progressive Candida. I encourage you guys to go
um and just check it out. You don't, you can
vote whatever way you want, but just check it out.
Information is power, It's never not been and I'm a
believer of information, which is why I have her on
this podcast. And and hopefully you were able to really
take some real lessons. We are all able to create
our own reality, is what she's saying. We're all able
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to change the world. It's in us. Whether we go
and listen and pay attention and look for the clues
and the keys throughout the day, then okay, that's on us.
But wake up in the morning and take a moment
before you let your nervous system and just all the
book on Twitter and social media, take a moment, gather
yourself and realize that you have work to do. And
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while it is a long day and you may get
frustrated with what is going on in the world, there's
still time to kick some ass. I hope that people
don't feel because I do feel this sometimes hopeless or
frustrated or without power, and that is just not the case.
That is the trick of the enemy. Do not forget.
It's super rich versus everybody else, and you and I
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ain't super rich. So we need to come together. I
gotta come together for your family, for your kids, for
your kids kids, for your well being. There are ways
to fight. Everybody doesn't have to stand in front of
the camera and cuss everybody out or have a TV
show or have a podcast. But there are ways to
unite and organize, and we better do something because if
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we sit here and we watch legislation pass that affects
our children, our children's children, and do nothing about it
in a negative way, and we're just as responsible. I
hope you enjoyed this edition of Naked. I'll talk to
you all next one.
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