Biden is Old… So is Trump!

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On episode six of Native Land Pod, age takes the spotlight in the presidential candidate conversation– again– re-sparking discussions about mental fitness. So, okay, both candidates are old… now what? 

Meanwhile, Tom Souzzi's victory in Santos' previous NY congressional seat brings attention to special elections; sensitivity is tested as jokes surrounding George Floyd's tragic death evoke strong reactions, prompting reflection on the boundaries of humor; Missouri fails to pass a bill that would allow for abortion in certain cases, such as rape of a minor. 

In Politics Are Everywhere, the trio delves into the excitement of NBA All-Star Weekend and addresses listener questions, and we hear once again from sports expert, Tiffany Cross.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Native lamp Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is Andrew Gellam, This is also Tiffany Craus, and
this is Angela Rae and together we make up what
Native Lampod. Welcome everybody, which.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
All y'all, welcome home.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
Happy Valentine's Day because that's recording day. Happy Black History Months,
Happy Black History Months.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I was about to check in with y'all.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Y'all live the most fabulous lives.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I mean, I think I've seen y'all at fashion shows.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
We were together in your say.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hopefully y'all are having or expect to have an amazing
Valentine's Day by the time you all are in listening room.
I hope everybody at home had a lovely one. Either
you were loving the one you were with or you
were loving being by yourself. Either way, I'm just happy
for you, Okay, Happy Valentine's all Right, So we've had
since the last time we were together. The Super Bowl

(01:03):
and gone, the Valentine's dating gone, Usher gone, and them.
Taylor Swift, she's still.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
Here, still here us.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
She's going on tour, which you mean, And guys, a
married man in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I saw the news. Boy, what is Vegas for? It
is not for a shotgun.

Speaker 6 (01:22):
Wedding, comment, residency and other news.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
What the hell have y'all been up to? Ladies?

Speaker 7 (01:28):
Okay, I can say, well, we've been up to. We
did go to fashion Week, New York Fashion Week, and
Angela encouraged me to wear a ponytail, which I've never done.
I felt like my forehead is too big for that.
And now that I've born this ponytail, I will be
wearing it in perpetuity.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
So I'm loving it.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Show everybody, Yeah, with my hair back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
What y'all think out there in pod?

Speaker 7 (01:52):
In pod world, Andrew's been making fun of me, talking
about somebody please get to get that horse some water.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
It was out of respect for all animal life. Yeah,
you know, all mammal life, all mammal life.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
But yeah, we've been kicking it.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
We've been kicking it, Angela.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
We went to Sergio Hudson's fashion show Amazing in particular,
and that's our time where we all reconnect.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
It's our you know, our little girl time, and we love.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
It all right, So if people want to know what
y'all were.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Wearing Hudson.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Sergio down to the socks. We were searching.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Down to the socks and you had no socks.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yes, right, it was a good time. What you been
up to, Andrew. We hadn't seen you such.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
The last time we were together, you said to me, uh, Tiffany,
that the rattlers have been looking for me. So I
decided to let y'all find me. I'm right here, baby,
this family way representing my orange and green go, Rattlers go,
rattlers go, rattless, strike, strike, strike again. I am a

(02:56):
proud of them. It's the Florida and M University and
Farmer Step president on the books. Yeses have been a
I'm a lifetime member of the alumni Association. And if
you're not stop repping until you get paid up. Y'all
paid up? Okay, Andrew?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I love that you said, let me tell you about
this black history I made for black history, right.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
And I mean, just a really quick point about what
you're saying about pay up because a lot of HBCU's alumni.
You asked did you have a nurturing environment there? And
people say yes, and then it's like do you give
back to your school? And then a lot of people
say no, so I love that point, Andrew, thank.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
You, Tiffany. Folks got dead. I get it, but I'm
just saying every little bit okay. On this episode, we're
going to discuss Biden is old. The Special Prosecutors Report
put the president's cognitive abilities back at the center of
the twenty twenty four election conversation. Democrat Tom Suazi wins

(03:53):
George Santos's former congressional seat Long Island, New York. Should
anyone anyone be joking about George Floyd's death? And it's
almost time for the All Star Game, which you all
know you can't resist. Our friend Tiffany Cross is brilliant

(04:14):
sports commentary. We also get to the viewers questions, our
favorite part of the pod. Stay tuned, everybody, and welcome home,
Iiff Angela. I don't really know where to begin except
where we have to began. But in the meantime between time, y'all,
Trump then lost at the DC Appeals Court. He wants

(04:40):
the Supreme Court to issue a ritisseurciar rory to bring
the case to the US Supreme Court to do what
stop the January sixth trial. He wants to put that
on postponement. Anybody have an answer as to why Tiffany
I don't.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I honestly, I got it. Just be honest.

Speaker 7 (04:59):
I'm e with talking about Trump. I know he's the
front runner of the Republican Party and we have to
talk about it. But honestly, one thing Andrew that frustrates
me is people talk about Biden's age and compare it
like it has like like Trump is not the existential
threat not just to America but the globe. So to me,
all the indictments and I can't even keep up with

(05:20):
all Trump's challenges. I've always often said trying to cover
him and all his scandals is like trying to catch confetti.
And when I hear people make this false equivalence like, oh,
but Biden's old, It's like, yeah, Trump is old, and
he's crooked, and he's a trader, and he is an
existential threat to the globe. So I kind of want
to address some of these issues that people seem to
have with Biden's age, which I do think is a
legitimate concern, but it pales in comparison to the concern

(05:44):
from the other front runner, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
So that's it. Oh, Angela, you but you're already there.
You want to take it from there.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Sure, I was just gonna say tip to your point.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Eighty six percent of Americans agree that Joe Biden is
too old in their concern, and then sixty two percent
of Americans agree that Trump is too old in their concern.
So therefore a majority of Americans think that Joe Biden
and Donald Trump are too old for the presidency.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
According to this latest ABC News ipsos.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Paul, I think that what we now have before us
is there's an elephant in the room, no pun intended,
because of Special Prosecutor Robert Hur's recent report where he
quotes says he's a well meaning elderly man with a
poor memory. And I think that what we really see
as someone who took a flamethrower approach. Merrick Garland appointed

(06:34):
a Trump appointee to be special prosecutor, probably in the
name of fairness because somebody asked him to do that.
I'm asking for his resignation at this point. But what
he also indicates very clearly is that Joe Biden cannot
be charged in this classified document's case. And it's not
because he was a well meaning elderly man with a

(06:54):
poor memory. It's because there was no case that they
could prosecute. We all know when they got a little
bit of something, they're going to go forward with it
because they couldn't.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
I think that speaks volumes.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
So on this point again, to just encapsulate this around age,
Joe Biden is the oldest sitting president at this time
at eighty one. Donald Trump, by the time, if he
were elected in the fall, would then be tied with
Ronald Reagan at seventy eight years old for being the
second oldest. I think that we should always be taken
into consideration age, mental ability, and fitness. For attorneys, we

(07:28):
have to do character fitness. We don't have to do
psychological evaluations. But I think that is fair game for
the president of the United States. And furthermore, when you
look at corporate boards, seventy two you have to be
seventy two or under for most corporate boards, for CEOs
you have to be sixty five and under. These are
fair points. But again, when to Test's point, there's an
existential crisis, democracy is on the line. Would you rather

(07:51):
take an old full or a fascist?

Speaker 7 (07:54):
I take the old full, yeah, And I don't think
a lot of people are paying attention to the minutia
of politics, right. I think people are like the whole
thing with Biden in the campaign documents. Unless you're like
sitting in the echo chambers watching cable news twenty four
hours a day, people aren't talking about that, you know,
like people here Biden's I'm old and Trump is crooked,
Like those are the two people have a tendency to

(08:15):
read the headlines and not the story. I think if
you look at these two candidates and see what the
implications are from each of them. When Trump was in office,
his own staff consistently talked about invoking or evoking the
twenty fifth Amendment. It was not the media calling for that,
it was his staff. No, you have not heard anything

(08:35):
like that from Joe Biden's camp. And I'm not here
to be a spokesperson for Biden or an apologist for
the party. I think we have to acknowledge it's a
legitimate concern about his age. But you got two choices
right now, And so if you're thinking about I'm gonna
sit this out because I'm not excited about either candidate,
or if you're thinking you know that you're confused about
who to vote for because they're both old. I think

(08:56):
both of those are bad choices. And Andrew, you've said this,
you said, when you sit out, that is making a decision.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
The decision.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, what are your thoughts on how this, Andrew?

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Because you've run for office so many times and you
know how much energy it takes and one yes, yes,
and you know what energy it takes. I mean, what
do you think about how this is going? There's not
going to be another like Joe. Biden is the he
is the soldier we taken to this war.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
So what Yeah, And.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
I've said at the convention, they could.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, I don't think they could. Hopefully will be uneventful
at the convention. Wouldn't that be news? But I gotta
tell y'all, it baffles me that we are camped out
in this Biden age, you know, campfire, when Trump is
the maniac out there calling Nancy Pelosi by one of

(09:45):
his opponent's names. He's these rants. I know, we don't
listen as much as we used to him because now
the media has finally learned that the man is a
carnival you know, Barker and a carnival act himself. But
he's saying just the most outrageous things and frankly the
most dangerous things, uh, that could be coming out of

(10:07):
a former president of the United States and certainly someone
who hopes to be president of the United States. Again,
this is what I hope. I hope that all of
us sit down and take a very very very serious
look at they're both old. Dr let's take that out
the recipe. We got two choices, Option A, Option B.
Actually option A and option Z. If you want to

(10:30):
be close to the highest of alphabet, you know, the heavens,
stay with the a's Andrew Biden the one. No, just
just since short, we have to we have to mature

(10:52):
ourselves in this electoral process that when you have two candidates,
it's not about the perfect. The perfect it can't be
the enemy of the good. And in this case, we
have a good option in Joe Biden, and we've got
the most experienced of the candidates out there and somebody
who's not gonna quite frankly launch us into according to

(11:14):
Donald Trump, world War two. But he missed that part
of history. Uh, Donald Trump would launch us into World
War three or certainly allow you know, sick of fans
of of of of Vladimir putin to take, you know,
to have their way, and he said as much. All
I'm saying is age needs to be relegated to its
proper place. And in my opinion, it ain't nothing but

(11:35):
a number.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Can I say.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Saying something about that entry, because one I think we
have to acknowledge this is about Vice President Kamala Harris.
You know, people are we cannot have her a pulse
away from presidency because people are intimidated by the leadership
of black women and they would rather see this country
turn to ashes before they see somebody who looks like
me run it. And that's a really unfortunate mentality. But
I think to your point, Andrew, what you're referencing is

(12:05):
Donald Trump talked about countries who are not paying their
fair share into NATO he would not protect. This is
a huge for folks who don't.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Know what NATO is.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
It is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It's an agreement
established after World War Two. It's hugely important. And for
him to say we will no longer protect you, that
was a huge deal ten years ago when he said this,
And now the Republican Party is falling in line saying yep,
we agree with that when he says, listen, Vladimir Putin,
you can do what you want when I'm in office,
because I'm gonna leave those countries out in the open

(12:35):
for you to annex, for you to do whatever you like.
I cannot stress what an existential threat that is to
the globe, not just domestic policies, but to the globe.
I'm kind of over Trump and all of this.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I feel you, and the only reason why, as you
all know, I mean, I don't have to convince you,
but certainly for our listeners who were so thankful for
It's important, as asinine as it feels, having to reflect
on Donald Trump's comments, what he's saying, what he's not saying,
who he's meeting with, and how he's campaigning. We have
learned this much. This man says the quiet part out loud.

(13:13):
He means what he says, and we ought to take
him at his word. So we don't find ourselves over
the creek, over the barrel, you know, without a let
me just go here. Let's hear how the president's own
administration is now responding to these new claims around Biden's
age and fitness and so on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
It ain't that new, but the report is newer, right,
the reward is and unfortunately, Angela, the reason we're talking
about is because you've got now Democrats who are.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Co signing these kinds of comments for either all alternati
an alternate agenda, or they really believe it. Let's hear
from a Press secretary, Jean Pierre.

Speaker 8 (13:50):
Look, I got this question last week as well, and
I'm just going to say, what the what doctor O'Connor's
kind of a what he said to me about a
year ago when the report came out last year obviously
on his physical which is the president proves every day
how he operates, how he thinks, right by dealing with
word leaders, by making really difficult decisions on behalf of

(14:13):
the American people, whether it's domestic, whether it's national security,
and so he shows it every day on how he thinks,
how he operates. And so that is how the doctor
o'conter sees it, and that's how I'm going to leave it.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, the Press secretary took a very polite approach to
addressing this question. And what I meant by we've got
to mature ourselves as we approach elections. What I mean
is why your local mayor, school board member and commissioner
might be relied on to be at the city festival
and cut ribbons and do those kinds of things. Those

(14:48):
are just not my expectations anymore for a president of
the United States. I want them to know what they're
talking about them, I want what they're talking about. I
want them to be steeped in public policy. I want
them to have a heart for people and to be
clear in their compass around why it is every single
day they choose to get up and do the hardest
job on earth.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
So far as I know, I see now we down
a different road, and I'm just gonna say that this
is exactly the problem. This is why people are starting
to see a closing gap between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
There does seem to be a callus side of Joe
Biden that's popping up.

Speaker 6 (15:23):
Look at the response to Israel and Gaza.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know, like I'm talking about ribbon.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
No, no, no, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
I'm never talking about ribbon cutting. I don't need you
to cut no ribbon. I need you to show up
for black people the way they showed up for you
in South Carolina. I need you to show up for
these kids who are dying every single day. I need
you to show up in our wages. I need you
to show up. There's all this talk about Donald Trump
and the Stimmies.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
Joe Biden didn't want to sign the stimmies.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Show up on that show up when when black people
need relief, don't just claim credit for the black businesses
that were started under your administration. Show up and give
them some additional relief, some additional access to government contracts,
some additional says to party contracts, some advice.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
I can keep going.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I'm saying, at the end of the day, I don't
feel like he is demonstrating that he's Yes, he's different,
he's not a fascist. But your response to what is
happening in Gaza is callous. Your response to what is
happening at the border is callous. That is not okay.
You have to draw a wider gap between you and evil.

(16:26):
And it used to be that this big tent party
put people first. That is the way that it must be.
I'm sorry, I am not gung ho Biden right now.
What I was most excited about was Kamala telling the
Wall Street Journal last week that she was ready to
serve and there was no question about that. That's what
I'm most in response to his age. And I'm just saying, like,

(16:47):
I don't want us to get to the point where
we started being like, well, he's such a good man,
like I want him to be a good man on policy.
I don't need him to show up and know my
name and pat me on the back. I want to
see it in the policy.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
I'm sorry, I don't see it right now, co sign.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
But I just got to say this much, which is
I would rank him as among the most accomplished democratic
presidents in the history of the now. He he ain't
boastful like we have seen in the past. He can't
play no saxophone. There were a lot of you know,
just kind of old white men. I'm just saying, a
lot of white white old man tactics, you know, sort

(17:23):
of the vibes that you get from him. But I
can't tell y'all enough what that stimulus package you did
for everyday Americans. And I that it went, but but
we never had that before. It didn't exist under a
different administration. The closest we ever had before was Roosevelt,
and quite frankly, from student aid and learned forgiveness to

(17:44):
the incentivized programs that exists at the federal level for
freaking first time home ownership, and on and on and
on childcare, the way in which they have.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
So credit. But we're white people over like a college
kids are.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Dying, like you can get a child tax credit if
your kid's dead, Like, we just can't.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
We can't implement policy.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
This way, three Antela. But for you and everyone else
out there, two things can be true at once. He
can be wrong in his approach with regards to to
Israel and what's happening to the Palestinian people who deserve
their own state, and how dare be life? That true

(18:29):
just at the same time as his emphasis on trying
to make sure that the American people cannot just live
and survive, but they can thrive. And I believe that
that work is in his heart. I've seen it exhibited
in public policy. Now we just need those public policy
positions renewed. And he's got to get at it with
a more vigorous fight, both him and the Vice President

(18:50):
and Democrats on the Hill to deliver not just talk
about it, but be about it.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah, I will shout them out. On the unemployment rate, too.
The black unemployment rate is the lowest has been in history.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
I want it.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
I acknowledge where I've seen growth, but I'm just telling
you the other things are so it's blind shocked it can.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
I just tiff I didn't cut you out five times inside, No, I'm.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
About to cut all of us off because we have
gone over.

Speaker 7 (19:12):
At the time, I was just going to say, you
brought up immigration and that was a big deal in
the special election here in New York, and I know
we wanted to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
No, Tiffany, you're right on it. Thank you for taking us. Well,
we want to go, which is to hear from our viewers,
which I hope you noticed in the past couple of episodes.
We've been trying to make sure that your voice is
not at the end, but is all throughout this podcast.
We wouldn't be here without you, and we also wouldn't
be here without the sponsor. So we're gonna take a
quick record.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Be right back.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
All right, we're back. So we promised you that that
you were questioned. Let's here.

Speaker 9 (19:51):
My name is.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
Tanisha Lyons Porter.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
I live in Los Angeles, California, View Park, Wednesory Hills.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
To be exact.

Speaker 9 (19:57):
I have a question, so election time, local elections, propositions,
all of that stuff. How do you all do your
due diligence to research the judges and the board members
and the propositions Because California, I don't know about other states,
but it be confusing. And our family used to do

(20:19):
it as a group, but my dad passed away a
few years ago, my mom is gone, and we still
want to do it as a group, but.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
It's overwhelming, and it's overwhelming.

Speaker 9 (20:29):
So how do you all do your due diligence and
research for your local elections?

Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's a perfect, perfect question and a good transition from
talking about the presidential now the congressional. Look, folks want
to talk about state and local. How do y'all make
your decisions? What do you do when you're vetting a
candidate or a policy position that may be on the ballot?
Tiffany wants you let us know?

Speaker 7 (20:53):
Yeah, Well, first I want to say how much I
love this question, Andrew, And I'm actually really interested in
your response because you've run at a local level and
a state level, which is different than running at a
federal level, and I think you know understanding who's responsible
for what is so integral to our civic engagement in
the process. For me, I first want to make sure
I understand the exact issue, because the interesting thing about

(21:16):
this question asking at state and local level, this is
where voting blocks can fracture. That's why I don't like
terms like the black vote or the Latino vote, because
that some of these down ballot initiatives there are things
about you know how budgets are operated, or you know
where or how budgets are allocated. I should say, so
I try to look at it and make sure I'm

(21:37):
getting material and information from the source directly. All of
these candidates have a website. You can go there and
look and see how they feel about something. For people
who are curious about this, you'd be surprised if you're
somebody and somebody's running for a state rep. If you
can get twenty or thirty of your friends at your
house and you say, hey, we would like to invite
you to my home to hear exactly how you feel.

(21:57):
Reach out to them because that is precisely what they need.
They will show up at your home and answer questions
and engage with you, but make sure you're informed. I
will say, do not go off political ads. Political ads
are meant to do exactly that sway your opinion, and
it might not be accurate. It's meant to sway the
person's opinion to their liking, and sometimes people don't even

(22:17):
know that some of these ads are are funded by
extremists or right wing organizations. During the Super Bowl you
see a lot of religious ads, and when you start
digging to say, who's paying for this, we love Jesus Dad,
it is somebody who does not live their life according
to the principles of a good book.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I'm gonna assure you.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
So I would say, go to the source and don't
be afraid to reach out to candadas directly and see
where your values align.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I love that. What about you, Angela?

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Well, one of the things that I still very much
do My parents and I fill out our ballots together
in Washington State, and I love doing that because it
turns into a little debate, and I think that you
guys can see that I didn't fall far from that.
So we've been doing that since I was a little
kid and I couldn't vote and I wanted to. I
definitely understand what she's saying about wanting to do that

(23:01):
as a family, and we will sit there and pull
up the positions. As Tip is talking about that voter
booklet that comes out with their positions, look them up,
fact check them, see if any of your homies endorse
some and the day in there like you can look
at it that way. But I think this question is
great because sometimes voting day is not just that, you know,
second Tuesday in November. There are also elections throughout the year.

(23:23):
There are primaries, and there are special elections of which
there was just one Andrew tell us about that just
the other day election in New York.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Rah, Well, I'm saying to them, but the Democrats did
win that race. I want to speak though, Angela if
I could to the question, I believe it was Tanisha
from La and just say this communal aspect of voting
that has been so deeply, I think, sort of stitched
into our community and our culture. We've got to maintain

(23:55):
that because what the opposition wants to do is make
this thing seem complicated, overly intellectual, and frankly not accessible
for everyday people. And why is it that they don't
want it accessible for every day people? Because they didn't
want you holding them accountable like that they want you
to listen to. Tiffany said, those ads which may not

(24:16):
be backed by them, and even the ones back by them,
are usually portraying what it is that they want you
to believe about them. Could be true, could be not,
could be frankly a little bit of both. So the
communal aspect breaks down I think one of the most
significant barriers to entry, which is the shit is too
complicated and it's you know, I just I would rather

(24:36):
check out and deal with what I got to deal
with rather than go and try and understand and learn
about that. And so I would just recommend, you know,
keep that communal aspect up. In addition to what my
colleagues have just said, beautiful question, and we want you
all to of course keep the questions and comments coming.
We want to, of course invite you to download eight

(25:00):
and also get feedback to the podcast, because as you know,
we listen and we put it right here weekly in
front of you, y'all. We're gonna transition real quick to politics.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Is what everywhere.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I need some excitement.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Politics are what everywhere everywhere?

Speaker 10 (25:21):
A little delayed angela look delayed, No, no, no messing
with you politics are very where.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I have to tell you, ladies, this is probably one
of my more favorite parts of the podcast, where we
get to I don't know, trafficking things that we may
or may not be expert.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Tiffany, I'm a sort expert. And how dare you? Anyway?

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Who won the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Tip?

Speaker 7 (25:49):
The Chiefs won the Super Bowl? And just for those
who don't know, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey both play
for the Teas and they're on the same team.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
Good job.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Thanks did you get Did they come for you? Did
they come for your friends?

Speaker 6 (26:03):
Well?

Speaker 3 (26:03):
A little bit, A little bit, It's fine.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
They really dragged us more for talking about Travis Kelsey
saying he didn't like didn't say that, but.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
You know that's how you know they don't.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
Listen to this, That's what I'm saying. Don't watch clips
and think that's the whole thing. Don't we headlines and
think that's the whole story. Listen to the entire podcast
and some good stuff in there. You might learn something.
Stop being sweater fingers and listen before you weigh in.
Because it takes every day everyone to fight some of
these comments.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
But I did the other day. I broke thank you.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
So when when Angela refers to breaking the rule, I
just think, you know what, your opinion of me is
really your business, and uh.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
I'm with that.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, you want you down in the show off of misinformation?
You know, I'm quick to check and I'll turn it effact.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well, whatever, what are we? What is the politics everywhere?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Well, y'all tell me where is it today? Well?

Speaker 7 (26:53):
I so, something that I found interesting is it's been
a lot of drama in the world of comedy from clubs,
two people, you know, throwing hooks back and forth. And
so that's been really interesting to watch because obviously I'm
not a comedian.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
I'm just naturally funny.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Are you sure you're not a comedian, But I'm naturally funny. Different.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I think I could do. I think I could get
on stage and riff. I really do. Notice to all
my comedian friends, I think so.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
So long as you don't like my boy, comedian David.

Speaker 7 (27:25):
Louke, Okay, I like I honestly, I don't like why
you call him your boy.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Don't call him your boy.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Listen, I said, you know.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Maybe you're welcome in everybody home.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Let me. I think that's what we do here. I
think we I think we have grace. We are a
we are to meet.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
The lots are changed for this dude.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Let's David Lucas, who is a comedian pretty popular amongst
his audience.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
I don't think I've never heard. Honestly, I don't think
he's I've never.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Man, this is the most shine he about to get ever.
In like the first and last time we ever.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
Going to I didn't have a huge following. He was
grossly unheard, up mostly up.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
And coming comedian. All right, we make space for all.

Speaker 6 (28:11):
He's up and gone.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Who took it? Some say a little too far when
he joked about the unfortunate and untimely passing the murderer
of George Floyd, which really spurred a reaction from the audience.
Y'all take a look and tell me what we think.

Speaker 11 (28:29):
And all these good ass white people at my show,
and you wanted to show them the reason George Floyd
got his neck kneeled dog no ooh had that joke.
It's just a joke, man. I would have never kneeled
on George Floyd's neck. I would have shot that, and

(28:50):
that was It's called comedy. You really stop to put
the house with you look like you drive a yellow taxicab.
You y'all good? Are y'all about? I like Kyle Rittenhouse too.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
For those of you who are listening and not watching,
you missed audience members getting up, walking out, shouting back
and forth. Jesus, remember when the comedy was like funny?
This guy's like low brow.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
I mean, I am sick from this clip. I'm sick.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
There's there's, but there's there's just there's just no comedy there.
Y'all think I guess.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Who was laughing. I want to know who is.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
Sometimes when people outside of the community hear somebody in
the community say that they are, they mistakenly think this
is an appropriate joke.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
And there was nothing funny about that.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
The nervous there's also the nervous laughs laugh.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
I heard laughter, and I didn't find that funny. And Angela,
I would say, Angela disagree. I didn't want to even
play the clip at all. Well, because it gives a
highlight I think is disrespectful to the Floyd family to
have to hear that. I think it's disrespectful to all
of us who remember that moment so keenly. And I
think the key to comedy is it has to be funny,
and what this man lacks in humor he makes up

(30:17):
for in controversy. And he will find that actually is
not talent. And so I think he's already gotten too
much airtime on Native Landpod in my personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, I just think, you know, part of this is
are we There're two questions for me. One we've just
seen after the super Bowl. You know, Kanye sort of
you know, put itself back out there a little bit.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Maybe he has a deal, possibly a redeal underway, but
really you know, speaking up and talking a little bit
more about his mental health, making you know, bad statements
and actions all along the way.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
But who among us hasn't And I just wonder what
is the road to like recovery once you do something
so foolish. Now I don't even know if this guy,
the comedian recognizes the harm of his ways. You all
are right to focus first on the family, which is
it's got to be harmful to them. But if we
were to carry this, you know, a little step further,

(31:17):
I'm just wondering, how do people start to you know,
rehabilitate themselves and become part of frankly acceptable audience, and
then two for me. And this is probably even bigger
than the first, and it is, have we really learned
anything from the summer of our awakening, where we thought

(31:38):
folks regardless of their color, where they live, with neighborhood,
where they grew up. We're starting to understand at least
appreciate the plight of black folks, black men particularly, but
black folks in this country has released to criminal justice.
Did we learn a lesson?

Speaker 4 (31:52):
But this is the thing, right, So Tiff talked about
how we disagreed about whether or not to play the clip.
I wanted to play the clip because I think there
are more people who hold that sentiment than not. And
what is what is reflected in is to this very
point around twenty twenty.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Do you know since twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
There have been three hundred and forty billion dollars committed
by Fortune one thousand companies towards racial justice efforts. So
if they're laughing this in this comedy club and we
cannot account for what was initially sixty six billion now
has turned to three hundred and forty billion, then the
joke is on us. The joke is on us as
black consumers, our buying power is near one point three

(32:32):
trillion dollars. The fact that you can continue to say,
I'm committing this, I'm gonna I'm gonna push this money
towards efforts that protect your safety and ensure your livelihood
and your viability and equity in this country. But I
am going to as soon as the Supreme Court says
no affirmative action in higher education college admissions, now I'm

(32:52):
going to retract everything that I did.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Racial reckoning no more.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
We shall overcome hell, we done overcame enough, y'all have
what you need. I'm pulling all of this back, all
of my DEI team Meta, Google, Amazon, Twitter, and everywhere else,
including Paramount that just laid off a lot of people
just the other day, most of them black folks. All
of that is dissipated because you can't handle a little pressure.

(33:17):
You can't get creative for the people that helped you
to build this joint. Like, I have so many issues
with this fifty five percent increase in DEI positions after
George Floyd's death. We are forty percent of the attrition
rate of the layoffs in those roles. That is the
joke on us, well the people laughing in that comedy club.

(33:40):
Are probably in hiring positions, are probably in authority making
decision making positions and saying they're good they're gonna do
one thing, but really doing another.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, they may not be.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
Even if they're not in hiring positions, they're certainly in
safe positions, like their.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Jobs are not of risk at ours.

Speaker 7 (33:57):
But I think you bring up a good point, Angela
about all the commitment we heard. I think this will
be a great thing for Congress to take up, like
call back from some of these people and say, hey,
remember that money you said you commit to racial justice.
What happened with that? Because what it became was a
marketing tool. It became a marketing slogan racial reckoning and
not actually a policy standpoint or a real commitment by
the private sector.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Just since December, by the way, Tiff has done that.
They're just not in the majority, right, but it's happened.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I think that's a really good point.

Speaker 7 (34:24):
But I want our viewers to understand just since December
of twenty twenty three, thirty three percent of jobs that
were hired to promote racial equity and DEI positions have
been lost. That's just since December this is in the
past three months. Moreover, more than twenty states have either
banned or planned to ban DEI initiatives in their states.
Why is all this happening because of right wing MAGA extremists.

(34:46):
And so when we a lot of you guys, a
lot of our viewers, and thank you for weighing in
and reaching out with your questions. A lot of our
viewers have asked us to weigh in on the Future Fund,
which was a fun dedicated to funding black It was
a venture capital fund dedicated to funding black owned businesses.
And so this is something the sad part of all
of this the gentleman going after this, Ed Bloom. He's

(35:08):
a right wing extremist who this is the same person
who went after affirmative action and to his credit, got
it all the way to the Supreme Court. So he's
doing exactly what he said he would do. But I
want people to understand that when black folks win, it
does not mean that other people lose. Actually everyone wins.
There was a study that came out in twenty sixteen
that found that one most venture capitalist funders are white men,

(35:33):
and so there is less than point one percent of
people or point three percent rather of people of color
who are in a position to fund these Because of
that number, the narrow amount of people who do get
funding has cost the US to lose out over one
point one million minority owned businesses and forfeit more than
nine million job opportunities. Black owned businesses does not mean

(35:56):
we only employ black people. It contributes to the economy
and everybody wins. So while you're cutting your nose off
despite your face, you are literally denying yourself and your
children opportunity because you cannot stomach equality in this country.
You don't believe in yourself enough to have a level
playing field, and that's why your efforts are constantly trying

(36:18):
to keep us demoted. That our outlook is watch me
leap frog all over you and still win. A free
people will never be suppressed for any longer time than
history would deny us.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, listen, y'all both have dropped some bars on this one,
and I couldn't I could not agree more. I'm hopeful, y'all,
and I don't know if you have an optimistic outlook
around what this can actually become if we leaned into
the moment and health people accountable. But it seems to
me that for corporate America, this was very much so performative.

(36:55):
A lot of what was done, even the funds that
were established, the the symbolic contributions that were given to
black led organizations, the NAACP, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund,
and on and on and on and on, Black Lives Matter,
you name it. If it had black ended it, it
was getting flow. The problem is is that if you
went back and check with those organizations right now, I

(37:17):
bet many of them would be sad, but would truthfully
report that a lot of those donors have gone away.
How do you sustain a movement? How do you change
community in society? If you're a one time giver, a
performative actor who doesn't show up for the march, the

(37:37):
putting stamps on envelopes in the office, the call time
or text time. In order to achieve the games that
we're trying to still claw back, it takes more than
just a game, an incident, a march, a petition, a
visit to Congress or your local city hall. It requires

(37:57):
more than that. If that's what you give, then don't
be surprised by what you get. But if you put
real energy, real effort, real organizing, real concentrated momentum and
constituency building amongst your family, then your friends and your
church members or your sit on the couch members or
whoever you.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Can do all that their equity should.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
All I'm saying is is, unfortunately we live in the
world that we live in, and when we fail to
do those things, people tend to contract contract to pull
back from their commitments, and we want to hold them accountable.
But listen, y'all, I don't want to leave this politics
everywhere without going to a special place for you. Tiffany,

(38:40):
I'm ready. You've got to You've got a love love
relationship I understand with with All Star weekend, can you
just enlighten the people on your fascination.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Oh Andrew, I'm sorry. Before we move on, I just
want to say I misspoke. I said the Future Fund,
and it is actually the Fearless Funds. I want to
shout out fearless Black women who are still out there
fighting the good fight.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
By the way, led by a rattler.

Speaker 7 (39:07):
Shout out to shout out to FAM you so apologies.
The Fearless Fund not the Future From but we appreciate
you being fearless about our future.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Hey, well, Tiffany, you can interrupt our commercial breaks anytime
when you want to talk about a ratler and fearless
funding for black and minority women, black women led businesses
to Okay, y'all will be right back after this bill
paying segment. All right, y'all. So, tiff we have waited

(39:43):
with bated breath long enough. What's up with this All
Star weekend?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
On this weekend?

Speaker 7 (39:47):
I just want to say, because you know, these are
back to back events that happen. We had the Super Bowl,
which I think has a different a different crowd than
All Star. I don't know if y'all remember when All
Star was in Atlanta. I think collective, if he has
a society, we were like, this is never happening again.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Like it was, don't even be talking about the season women.

Speaker 7 (40:05):
It was just so much foolishness that happened. I mean,
the airlines to everything. So this year All Star is
in Indianapolis, but every season, every All Star season. Because
as you all are well aware, I'm very sought after
for my athletic opinions on sports and whatnot. I'm not
going to weigh in on All Star here, but I
just say it is one of the check Fine, I

(40:29):
will just say I have a comment in a question.
My question is I don't quite understand who is playing
at all Star like, who are the teams that play?
So I'm asking that for our audience who might not understand.
Obviously I know, but you guys weigh in and it's
just one of the most beautiful experiences because I'm always

(40:50):
reminded of nineteen eighty three when Marvin Gay saying one
of the most beautiful renditions of the national anthem.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
I was just a bit I wasn't born yet anyway,
I was just aweve it.

Speaker 6 (41:04):
But are we gonna get to hear?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Mary?

Speaker 8 (41:06):
Can we?

Speaker 7 (41:06):
I would like to play one little clip of him
singing if we can get we got to He took
his time with it. Let us Nick, Can you can
you roll that Marvin Gay clip?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Nick?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Drop it?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
He love it.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
He took his time.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
And so for those who don't know.

Speaker 7 (41:48):
The next best redision I think people would argue is
Whitney Houston when she's saying at the super Bowl, it
was just I've never heard another person be able to
command that song the way she did. She actually said
Marvin Gaye version of singing the national anthems her inspiration
because he really took his time with it. But you
look at that scene with his aviator glasses on, and
that's smooth as he looks. It's just a beautiful moment

(42:11):
in this Black History Month that I just wanted us
to shout out. Now, Angela or Andrew, who want to
tell me tell our audience about who who's playing in
this game?

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Yes, so I really want.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
I want to just say first that I almost forgot
it was the national anthem, which I hate so much
that Marvin Gaye was singing that I just want to
be honest about it.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Then check out that second and third Stanza if you
confused about why anyway, So, the All Star weekend Tiff
includes several activities. There is the dunk Contest, there's a
three point contest, and they are not teams in the
traditional sense of the NBA who are playing. It's the
Eastern Conference versus the Western Conference teams that play against

(42:53):
each other, and folks, because this is politics everywhere, it's
a great time to remind folks that people actual vote
on who they want to play those teams for our audience.
Of course, what people you if I know you voted,
of course you're going to suppress your own vote.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
I'm gonna vote.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
And then they have to be currently in the NBA
to play. Yes, you cannot be retired. You can't be
an aspiring basketball player. Spudweb also known as Tiffany Cross
or Muggy Vogues also known as Tiffany Cross.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
You cannot play.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
But I do want to shout out booth thing because
Jaleny will be coaching the Rising Stars in the Rising
Stars Tournament. There are four teams that are selected to
play in the Rising Stars Tournament, and he's also getting
the Boblaneer Community Assist Award at the NBA Legends Brunch
on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
So shout out to j Yesler.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
How do I if he needs like an assistant coach
or somebody on the sideline, like, how do I do? I?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Just?

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Should I text him? Or should I?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Like?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
How can I offer my services to support you?

Speaker 6 (43:54):
You know what he told me to ask you this too?
Can you drop a play really quick that you have run?

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I'll DM, I'll damn it, Sammy.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
Can you show it to me on your Yeah, I
need to think it through and I'll get it to.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
You after the show. Yeah, do that, Jalen, it's coming
your way.

Speaker 7 (44:10):
Congratulations Jalen on the award, the honor coaching. I will
be tuned in.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
Can we see that?

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Are gonna show that part? Angela?

Speaker 4 (44:18):
No, but you know what, I'll try to FaceTime you
with thank you, thank you. I don't think they I
don't know why they don't show that, but I'll make sure.
Shout out to j R. L. A part of the
reason why he's getting this award is Jalen founded the
school Jalen Rose Leadership Academy.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
Enter a learner and exit a leader. That's not even
to the kids. Shout out to Detroit. What up though?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
What congratulations? We're wishing you well. Uh, Tiffany, are you
gonna make it?

Speaker 7 (44:42):
I'm not going to all start because I don't want
everybody talking to me every five minutes asking my opinion
on the game and who I thought they should have
voted for it to play, because I get tired.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Of getting my opinion on sports. So no, I'm not
going Angela.

Speaker 7 (44:55):
While you're in Indianapolis, let us know if there's any
like political things happening there the we should pay attention to.
If there's any like valid initiatives and tell the people,
everybody who talks to it All Star please tell them
submit your questions the Native Lamb Pod because we want
to get questions from the people. So you'll be our
Native Land ambassador on the ground at All Star. If
you see Angela at All Star, stopper and say I
got a question, and she'll videotape it.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
We'll use it on the podcast.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
And now I went from being the ambassador to being
the digital media.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Yes, got it. I'm happy to do that.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
But you know what, speaking of the Midwest, Andrew, there
are some things happening in the Midwest that we should
be being closest to. As you know, the Republicans all
over the country are like hell bent because they're so
pro life. They got another thing happen. And what's going
on in Missouri, Andrew give.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Well, this is why we have to pay attention. I
appreciate to if you deputizing Angela, you know, to basically
be the correspondent on the ground. But in truth, this
is where the rubber meets the road, y'all. At the
state and the local we can talk about you know
the purpose. Well, you know, a red man and age
and all that stuff all we want to, but when
it comes to your quality of life, I bet you

(46:06):
are watching that school board. I bet you're paying attention.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
To But these commonencies are like a huge deal.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
And I you know this at the state level, I
think a lot of times these things slip in and
go past before we ever notice them. And the next
thing we know, we sit in a doctor's office and
they talking to us about, you know, letting this senator
come sit in on my debrias because essentially what this
is let me tell you.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
So, Senator Mary Elizabeth Coleman, who is a Republican in
the Missouri state Legislature, introduced a bill that would prohibit
planned parenthood from getting state funds.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
You know that this has been an age old thing
they do over and over again, the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
And this is where I think it's so important because
there are well meaning elected officials. It's why you need
to pay attention and vote in your state and local races.
There's some Democrats that were like, not on my watch,
and they pushed back and they said, fine, if you're
gonna have a vote on this bill, we're gonna have
you do some roll call votes on some things. I
think before we get into any more about this bill

(47:07):
and this rape and incest exception, we should roll sound.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Well, you took away the right, Yes, you did.

Speaker 12 (47:12):
You took away the rights of rape victims to have
a choice, to be able to decide.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
All those other items.

Speaker 12 (47:18):
That were mentioned here, a lot of those were women
that decided to have that. We're not saying that we're
forcing an abortion.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
We're saying, give them the choice.

Speaker 12 (47:25):
If you should have a twelve year old just on
health reasons alone, should have that choice if and But
you're okay with that center of forced a birth of
a rape twelve year old, I'm not okay with.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Suriy that you voted for. It's the law of Missouriy
you voted for. I did first thing. I appreciated the argument.
But we're the women they got women. No, they're not
your sponsor. I'm just saying it's always interesting to me
when you see on these abortion bills, and it happens
in my state of Florida all the time. You spend
a moment watching the legislature and it's men intensely going

(48:02):
in on the debate floor over a woman's right to
her own reproductive decision making.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
There's a woman that actually called for the roll call
vote on the rate and incest exception. Again, shout out
to the folks who are holding it down. You know,
when you're trying to protect the lives of people, the
you know, the livelihood of these young folks. He mentioned
a twelve year old, and they can't find it in
their hearts to say, you know what, this is a
total band would go too far. This is about planned

(48:30):
parenthood and planned parenthood build Planted parenthood does so much
more than abortion. But to feed their messaging, you know,
framework they will defund planned parenthood.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Well, I want to just quickly pick up your point Andrew,
that women make up half of society. We do not
make up half of the elected representatives, and I think
that is showing in policies like this. This is why
I think this is so important because I'll say it
every week.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
The state and.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
Local level is where policies are created and they bubble
up to the federal level. And this is a great
example of this. Sixty four thousand pregnancies have happened from
rape in the United States. That has been since Roe v.
Wade was overturned by the Supreme Court. When you think
about where black folks live, more than sixty percent of

(49:20):
those who seek an abortion are people of color. And
when you think about where black folks reside, a majority
of us live in Southern States. That is that Bible
Belt quote unquote, where a lot of abortion bands have
been enacted. So this is something that disproportionately impacts us
and that we have to think about. I never address
these people or call them pro life. They perhaps may

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be pro fetus, they are not pro life. You cannot
be pro life and pro guns. You cannot be pro life,
and in my opinion, pro Trump. You cannot be pro
life and support what's happening at the southern border with
a razor wire, where my desperate my are swinging with
their children and you are okay with them drowning. Nothing

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about that says pro life to me. This abortion band
has always been about control, and it's sad. But it's
really sad that there are so many women, who are
particularly white women, to be honest, who vote in favor
of these oppressive, draconian policies that have a direct, sad
impact on the majority of black women. And I just

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I can't. I don't know what's going to happen. But
you think about folks in Mississippi who lack access to
this kind of care. When you look at some of
these states, that's an actingness. Look at some of their
education levels, Look at how well they take care of
their children.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Not very well. So you don't care.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
About children, but you care about fetuses, you are a hypocrite.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
There it is, and this is one of the reasons
why it's really important that we lean into our local
and state politicians that question. The point that Tiffany and
Angela made about the states and locals being the laboratories,
it really visualized when you think about lab rats, the
people who we experiment with to see who lives, who

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gets cured. Many of the policies that are of course
attacking women, but up and down across the spectrum of issues.
Many of those policies see the first light of day
at a local or a state rule making or lawmaking
set of hearings and practices, and then are obviously inculcated

(51:27):
into the law. And unfortunately, before we look up and
we know what's going on, you're down at your mayor's
office asking for a social Security check when that's not
our jurisdiction. But you failed to come and talk to
me when we were Banschood by the NRA about guns
and city parks where our kids play in our family's picnic.
These are the kinds of issues that are getting adopted

(51:49):
at these levels. And so for our Native Native land podcasts,
you know, listeners, we got to activate and in places
sometimes you don't wait for the invitation to run. You
decide that you gonna pull up a seat to the
table yourself, and you'll get out there and you'll challenge
to people who are standing in the way of your livelihood,
your family safety and security, and your ability to prosper

(52:13):
as a community. Y'all. We're gonna wrap this session by
hearing from another listener around some of the questions they
have around how it is they can organize better where
they live.

Speaker 13 (52:24):
Hey, guys, my name is Matt Davis. I'm from Des Moines, Iowa.
And so the question I had for you guys is
a lot of times, like I know, when they've interviewed
Charlemagne the God, I've even seen other interviews even with
Angela and others, where they said the Democrats are losing
the black voter, and so I was really curious, Like

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you know, some some have said that it's like because
during Trump's presidency he was cutting checks. Others just say
it's policies that they're not seeing that are impacting their
daily lives. So my question is, if you were to
choose three things that were attainable, what three things would
you choose that that could be done and implemented that

(53:07):
would bring more black voters back to the Democratic Party.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
And what do you think vose would be.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I'm gonna kick this, kick this over to you, Tiffany,
but did want to say that this couple of.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
He called my name, So I just want to defend myself,
by the way, but go ahead, keep going.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
No, you can get it done, Frank Goo.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
So just quickly, I want to be clear about the
fact that I have never been on any show at
any time saying that black people are leaving the Democratic
Party for the Republican Party.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
That has never happened.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
I do worry about the number of black men in particular.
I still think that is a small number that have
at least entertained the idea of voting for Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
There is nothing wrong with black people.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Requiring that a party that they've been so loyal to
has an agenda that also serves them. To that point,
he asked for three things. I'll give you three things, reparations,
police reform, and an equitable agenda that includes stronger reforms
in affirmative action spaces.

Speaker 7 (54:02):
I just want to say that Alicia Garza, as Angela
often points out, has a wonderful black agenda, So I
would direct anyone there. But I want to thank this
viewer first of all for wigan and sending in your
viewer question and even name checking Angela, so we you know,
even if it may not have been the most accurate,
but we super appreciate your question and thank you for that.
I do kind of take issue with the premise of
the question. There are not droves of black voters leaving

(54:24):
the Democratic Party for whatever reason. That is a talking
point every election cycle. What I would love for the
media talk about is what white folks are doing. I've
said this plenty of times. What are conservative white not
even just conservative, but talk about the conservative white folks.
The number of people to seventy five million plus people
who are still willing to vote for Donald Trump despite
this long list of things I can name talk to,

(54:47):
there's a fracture within the Latino community, among Latino men
who are venturing over to the Republican Party because of
conservative policies. In much larger numbers than black people. Black
people have upheld the Demoocratic Party at disproportionate rates other
than any other community of color. So I kind of
take an issue with this. When we try to suggest

(55:09):
the failure of this democracy, or if there's a slight
decrease in voter turnout, the first thing people want to
do is say, black folks, black folks, black.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Folks, I am not for it.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
I I will always constantly kick it back to the
white folks are still at the largest voting block in
this country.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
What are you doing?

Speaker 6 (55:29):
And his name is Matt Davis.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Thank you Matt Davis for sending us.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Thank you, thank you for the question. And of course
it's an invitation to invite all of you to submit
your questions, your or your comments. You could take issue
with something that we said. You can disagree or you
can agree, and we'll do our very best to make
sure that we put it up here. If there's a
learning tu double moment for folks. I just wanted to
quickly say to Matt, I appreciate obviously the comments of

(55:55):
my colleagues and also your question, and just say, I
think if we put as much attention into meeting the
needs of this core constituency as we put into turning
this constituency out during an election, I think it would
start to feel more like a respectful democratic relationship where

(56:22):
my needs are being met, but your needs are being
met also, and so you don't have to come up
with a crazy ad by to convince me of all
the things that are so great that you're doing, because
I would have experienced it, I would have championed it.
I would have been invited into the conversation because I

(56:43):
was treated like a I don't know, important voter. Are y'all,
y'all one more segment with us, come right back after
this commercial break. It's worth it. Okay, y'all, we're back,

(57:08):
and the teaser was real. It is worth you sticking
around for and you'll see why in a few moments.
TIF Angela, what are your calls to action? I guess
I should have say, Andrew, what are your calls to actions?
Y'all want me to go first? Y yeah, you don't
want me last?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Y'all?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
One thing, go and take your child, your nephew. You
ain't got your niece, you ain't got none of them.
Maybe your neighbor or your elderly neighbor's grandchildren, y'all take
them outside to play. I'm so sick of my kids
being addicted to these darn devices. I have to force

(57:48):
them outside. There was a time when I was a kid,
you couldn't get me indoors because we were outside playing
so much. I know it's a little bit of throwback,
maybe old fashion, but adults, lestenie in and teach these
these these young kids what it means to go out
and be inventive, creative, create games when you ain't got
no supplies except a rock to carve into the street, babement.

(58:11):
I'm just saying, think about side, y'all. What you got, Tiff,
I like that first.

Speaker 7 (58:17):
I want to punctuate that. You know, I'm big on
stay off your devices.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
I promise.

Speaker 7 (58:22):
I cannot when I'm with somebody and they're like this
the whole time talking to me. I don't want to
talk to though. Our time becomes a lot more limited.
My call to action is a bit different, Mike.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
That is true. My call to action is to read something.

Speaker 7 (58:39):
I think reading informs so much of our worldview and
how we understand each other and different cultures and ethnicity
and history and so I you know, I'm big on
reading papers. I think papers are so hugely important. And
some people say I don't want to hear bad news,
and it's like, guys, if you don't read a paper,
you clearly don't understand that it's not just bad news.

(59:01):
There are so many things happening that there are think pieces,
there are you know, people who bear witness to extraordinary
events across the globe. If you don't want to read
the paper, if you do want to break, then read
a book. I have so many amazing, wonderful books. Maybe
one day I'll put out a reading list of suggested
readings from me. But there are so many amazing books.

(59:21):
So my advice is at least this this week, if
you can try to take at least one hour across
the week to read something. And we have a lot
of friends of books, So joy read.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Got a book. We told you all about that.

Speaker 7 (59:35):
I have a book, say it Louder, Andrew has one
in his head, and there are a lot of books
of pending books coming.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
So plenty plenty out there to read.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I love that, I love you staying true to your
journalism streak. Go read Angela.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
So for my call to action, I'm going to throw
to a listener question and respond on the other side.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Piece to the Natives.

Speaker 14 (59:57):
This is Daniel close caption will call Daniel Mawrence. I
just want to thank you so much for playing a
record that I wrote for y'all. It genuinely was from
the heart. I'm so supportive of all of you.

Speaker 15 (01:00:07):
Lincoln up Welcome Home with the Natives landing on the
podcast Pace sixty for Briefs so hits.

Speaker 14 (01:00:15):
But I had a question and I wanted to see
if there was any thoughts or conversations about you all
doing random pop ups and doing live broadcasts live podcasts,
because one, it would allow you to engage in a
more personal, intimate way with the Natives and then also
hopefully energize and galvanize people to go out and vote,

(01:00:37):
because as we're all hearing and I think seeing people
are just not excited about choices, and I'm just afraid
people are going to be, you know, choosing a couch instead.
So I wanted to just kind of throw that out there,
and if you do do that, I'm gonna pull up
and introduce y'all cross the t's dot the odds, gilling
back to get them staying all business, will ride out bed.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Shout out to Daniel again. I so enjoyed the song.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
It was a moment of levity in our podcast, and
we're really really appreciative that we even have fans that
would support in that way. I will say we have
already started a little bit with this mini pod concept.
As you all know, Part three of Andrew's testimony came
out last Monday, and we're gonna start a mini pod concept.
The next pod up will be one that explains the

(01:01:27):
Native Land pod concept. When we say welcome home, we're
talking about this virtual safe space that we created.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
When we say native Land, we're talking about being true
to our God, true to our.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Native land that is absolutely the continent, but also embracing
some of the very important and significant work that we've
done here. We celebrate Black History Month all year around
around these parts. And then finally, I would say, around
these pop ups and lives we are talking about it.
We know that this campaign season is kind of a drab,
it's not really fun we're not seeing a real primary
as it were. The Republicans hardly have a contest, even

(01:01:59):
though we had a hell of a lot of people
in there. And on the Democratic side, there's not really
a primary when you have a sitting president in office.
That's just the way it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
And so why not have a.

Speaker 6 (01:02:08):
Native Lamppod campaign trail.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
That is what we're talking about. So we want you
to do on the other side of this. We know
what Daniel's position is on this, but y'all, this is
where we want you to weigh in. Make sure that
you're following us on social media on all platforms at
Native Lamppod. Let us know where you want us to come,
let us know your capacity to host us.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
And we're happy, happy, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
We happy, because happy. That's when you extra happy, you happy,
happy to pull up.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
And that's exactly what we want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
We want to welcome you home, even where you live,
and we want to be on the campaign trail as
we get closer to general.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
Very I love that can I just pay I would
love to do HBCUs Angela like talk to some of
the younger folks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
I love that idea. Some of the debates maybe.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
So maybe people can drop in the comments where you
want us to go. Please let us yeah yeah, if
y'all want to see us, let us know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
We happy to pull up.

Speaker 12 (01:03:01):
That is.

Speaker 15 (01:03:03):
Cross the teens to doctor I steal them back to
get them standing on business. Will Ry You could have
been anywhere to put us Native Lay Podcast, So bring
into the trust.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Before we end the show, I want to remind everyone
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home y'all and there are how many two hundred and

(01:03:38):
sixty three days until election day?

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