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“Kimberly calculated from the beginning, ‘How do I become famous?” Caitlyn Jenner reveals in new documentary. Whoopi Goldberg brought “The View” to an abrupt halt when she stopped mid-sentence to ask co-host Alyssa Farah Griffin if she’s pregnant. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s trip to Düsseldorf, Germany for the Invictus Games has been a resounding success, but not everyone is thrilled by that idea.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Viehoe. It's hello, low and level, welcome to me.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Be naughty but nice show. I'm your houset Ram Shooter
and it is Friday, which means our dear friend Corey.
Andrew joins us, Hey, Corey are you there?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I am here. You know I would not miss my
Friday morning with Rob Shooter. Honey.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Come, I know we were good in the friends now
that we can share this with everybody. You're not a
morning person, Corey.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Oh child, Absolutely not no. And I told Joe recently
that I realized, like, my mom is not a morning person,
and I was like, you know, I was raised not
to be a morning person. It's deeply ingrained in me.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So no, no, not well, we're very grateful that you
get up very very early to do this. We are greatful,
my friend. I am a morning person. I am, and
Bruce and I have a really good relationship. But the
one thing where we disagree is that I'm a morning
person and he's a night person. But I'm quite happy
he giving him a kiss and saying good night at
ten o'clock and then I don't know what time he

(01:10):
crawls into bed. He could go out dancing for all
I know. I have no idea how fast asleep, but
it is interesting. Are you a morning person? Are you
a night person? Let us know and we're gonna jump
into a show together. What time is it, my friends?
It is? So there's a brand new documentary out in Britain.
It's on Sky TV and it's called the House of

(01:31):
Kardashian and it's a several parts series. And it's not
just the positive stuff. This is not the Hulu stuff.
It's unauthorized. So Kim, her mom, christ Jenna, who's very controlling,
have really nothing to do with this. So they called
around to people who knew the Kardashians and did a deep,
deep dive into them. One surprising person who did speak

(01:54):
to them was Caitlyn Jenna. Now, Caitlin certainly knows that
family and Caplin said Kim Kardashian calculated fame from the
very beginning. So Caitlin is not holding back here, and
I think she means it. I hope she means it
as a compliment. But Caitlyn is revealing that from day one,
Kim wanted to be famous, and with her mom's help,

(02:18):
they planned out a way to do this, how they
could be famous. Now Caitlyn and Chris. They divorced in
two and fourteen, and also to Caitlyn has admitted that
she no longer speaks to her ex stepdaughter Chloe Kardashian.
She she hasn't spoken to Chloe in over five years.
They had a falling out when she transitioned in twenty

(02:41):
and fifteen. The relationship with Kim, I'm told is very
very strained. That's the word somebody used. Caitlyn and Kim
do speak, but not that often, but I wonder if
they will be speaking now. What do you think about
this revelation and the fact it's been made by somebody

(03:01):
inside the family.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yes, but it's somebody inside the family that you really
can't trust because Caitlyn also has ulterior motives to stay relevant,
to stay popular. She's sort of flubbing between being in
the LGBTQ world and then the conservative Republican side is
still sort of weary of her. So I don't know
if you can trust someone who is just really trying
to stay relevant. And is she trying to suggest that

(03:26):
even the sex tape was a calculated move, because you know, Kim,
her position is that she was completely blindsided by it
and then she decided to make the best of the situation.
Right now, Caitlyn seems to be saying she really did
it on purpose and leaked it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Absolutely. I'm trying to get this documentary. I'll probably get
it in the next couple of days. It hasn't been
released yet, so all we've seen is a trailer. Member
Joe Francis, he was quite popular from Girls don Wild
remember that serious. He was an awful, awful series, but
at the time, twenty years ago, everybody was talking about it. Well,
he was friends with Kim, and he did talk about
the sex tape, and he seems to imply that it

(04:04):
was a means to an end and it was a
way to create a controversy. Caitlyn said too, that Chris
Jenna wanted to be more than just a housewife. Good
for her. She wanted those to rule the world, and
some could argue that she's certainly ruling the entertainment world.
It's interesting what you said here about sources, though, and
even on the record, sources on the record means their

(04:26):
name is attached to it. So if you read a story,
a new story and it says sources close to Kim,
we don't know who that is. But if it says
Caitlyn Jenna and then a quote, we know who that is.
That's an on the record source. Who do you believe?
Who don't you believe? Everybody has an opinion. It's like
when you're at school or even in your office. Everybody
could talk about you. If I worked with Corey, I do.

(04:46):
If they were making a documentary about Corey, they could
come to me and ask me, what do you think?
Now I could give my opinion, good or bad. It
would be fabulous, but it would have validity because I
do know you. You went to school with They didn't
know you, they did sit in the class with you.
But you have to be very careful if you're a reporter,
a journalist, if you do what we do Corey, who

(05:10):
do you believe?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah? Yeah, it's very very tricky, and I know that
it's sometimes an easy way out for people to make
up quotes as well. You know, in our line of work,
people who don't have the integrity that we have, they
can easily just fall onto the a close friend said yes,
or a source close to the couple said right, and
they just made that up.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, I would send this some sauce at Starbucks who
would give me really information about what coffee people ordered
and if they gave a big tip. However, the sauce
felt like they wanted to be doctor Phil and they
were giving me insights into these people's lives. Would you
know that during a transaction over a cup of coffee?

(05:54):
So anything you tell me about their coffee order, that's
absolutely legit, and I will totally believe that. But when
you start telling me that the insight into their life
is they could be getting divorced and you just know
they're fighting to save their marriage, I'm like, you got
all that overserving someone a cup of coffee. Now you

(06:15):
be very very careful about this.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I was saying they could have heard that that they
could have.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's what you ask, And those are the good questions
I always say, And do this with friends. You don't
have to be famous. When somebody tells you something, some gossip.
You're out with your friends or at Bottino's and I
tell you something about Misty, the follow up question is
how do you know? That's the question I always ask.
That's when you know if you're talking to a really
skilled reporter. And I do it in my private life too.

(06:40):
If somebody tells me a secret about a friend, I'm like, oh,
how do you know? And then that's really the answer
that tells you everything. So let's bring this to our
whole question of the day. It's a good one. Caitlin
Jenna is saying that Kim Kardashian calculated fame from the beginning.
Now I think we can all agree, yes, that's probably true. Like,

(07:03):
no one's going to be like, oh no, she was
a shy little flower, she didn't want this. Yes, I
think Caitlyn's probably telling the truth here. However, that's not
our question. Our question is should Caitlin be talking about this?
Should a family member Corey, when you hit the big time?
Not if when who in your family will be gossiping?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Mine would be my sister Betty.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Do you have a suspicion of one particular relative. I
can't even give like the I can't even give like
what they are because that would be but yeah, there
is one, there.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Is what we all have a big of the family.
I'm thinking of my family, my brothers and sisters right now,
and I know my sister should be on the phone
to the sun right away selling pictures of me as
a baby, saying I was an awful little baby and
I'm worse now. I just that That's what's interesting here,
and that's why it's our question of the day. Should
Caitlin be saying this? I think she's right, But should

(07:58):
she be saying this is more complicated the meats of
the eye? Hey, go vote on our Twitter page at
Naughty Nice One. Her Facebook page is Naughty Yossip. MI.
Sure to check back tomorrow to hear your results. Hey, Corey,
what are you working on? Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well, this is one of the most buzzed about stories
in recent weeks. Britney Spears has been reportedly dating her
criminal housekeeper amid the sam Ash Gari divorce. Now, a
source tells Page A source tells Page six that the
pop icon, who is forty one years old now she's
been romancing the x Khan he's thirty seven years old,
and that she's been kind of getting chummy with him

(08:33):
amid her divorce from sam Ashgari. However, one source rob
as we just talked about sources. One source speculates that
the only reason Spears in Solis, which is his name,
have not been spotted together recently is because that she
went to Mexico and he may not be able to
even travel out of the country due to his legal issues.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Written you know what date somebody who literally can't travel.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, it's a re flag among many apparently, but page
six broke the news in August that the singer happened
getting close to her former housekeeper, who a source previously
had told us had been hired about a year ago
to this is a quote to clean toilets, mop floors,
and pick up the trash around Britney Spears's California mansion. However,

(09:19):
we're also told at the time that Sole's had been fired,
likely due to his criminal dealings being exposed. Now, his
record included a few kind of disturbing things, but one
is disturbing the piece. He had also a dismissed child
endangerment charge in twenty fourteen driving without a license. He
was convicted of that in twenty sixteen. And the most

(09:41):
serious one, I think in most recent, which is the
ironic thing, is a twenty twenty two conviction for a
felony possession of a fur arm.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
God.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Now, listen, we all, I think sometimes have in our
lives loved the bad boys. I did love the bad
boy for a while too, and they got me a
nice good guy now. But you know, someone on Facebook,
and I wrote this down because I wanted to actually
quote it. One of my Facebook friends named on Alan.
He says something so funny and when I posted this
story yesterday, but it's true. He says about Sam, he says,

(10:14):
sometimes it can be slightly challenging to have a hobby
who is that level of handsome, and sometimes we want
to feel like the main prize ourselves. And so he's
almost saying like Britney purposely kind of you know, she
took it down a level with who she dated because
Sam was almost so extremely good looking. He became the
star of that relationship and you looked at him, and

(10:37):
so she's like, I'm going to downgrade a little bit
and go a different direction. Yeah, sometimes you can.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Make those sort of subconscious choices. What I'm told here
about Britney is she doesn't get to meet anybody. So
there's so few people that come into her life. Her
life is so closed off. She's such an international superstar.
Wherever she goes, she's Britney Spears, and so the people
that she gets to me to the people that are
working in the house. She met Sam because she hired
him or her people hired him to be in a

(11:04):
music video. So Brittany's not going to get to meet
anybody in a normal way. So we have to be
very careful about who gets into Britney's life. Now. I
have no problem with Britney dating a housekeeper, somebody that
mops the floors or picks up trash. I've done that too.
What I have a problem with here is that there
was a convicted felon in her home. Who's doing the

(11:25):
background checks, who's looking out for her? We know now
her dad has gone. Brittany does seem to be building
a new team around her. We want Brittany to have
a really great, great relationship. We do everybody use routine
for Britney, but once again, who is she going to meet.
Let's be realistic here. If Brittany went to a club,

(11:47):
she's Britney Spears. If she went on a dating app,
yeah she's Britney Spears. She's got sixty million dollars, and
that can attract often the wrong type of people. I
could see Brittany here living a life. I hope she
meets somebody, but living a life with hers friends and
having a wonderful life surrounded by really good people. I
want good people around Brittany, and I want good people

(12:09):
around you. Noughties. I had to really carefully go through
my friendship group, and I had a lot of bad
people there. I've got to admit. They flattered my ego.
They made me feel famous, they made me feel special,
and as you said, the dynamic in relationships is really important.

(12:31):
The more shady they were, the more legit they made
me feel. And so I had to be very careful
and get rid of the people that just weren't good. Hey, Brittany,
we are sending you our best. This is not easy, Okay.
We have an update on Sophia Vigara, who walked off
the set of America's Got Talent after Harry Mandel made

(12:52):
another joke about her being single. So, a couple of
weeks ago, Harry made a funny joke about her being single,
and she laughed about it. It was quite fun. She's
going through a divorce. It appears at the moment that
it's not that ugly, but you never know with divorce,
and she's got a lot of lot of emotions about it.
Obviously made a joke about it a couple of weeks ago,
thought it was funny and she laught. They moved on.

(13:12):
He did it again, and she had enough and she
said no. She walked off set. She came back after
a few minutes. But I think this is a real lesson.
Do you ever push a joke too far? I've been
guilty of that. If I get a laugh once, I
might do it again and again and stop. It's funny once, like,
particularly when it's so personal.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, and it's funny about this because I was I
don't watch the show regularly, but I happened to tune
in because there's this amazing Brazilian singer who is on
who I have followed on Instagram, and he's dis gorgeous voice.
And how he made a joke then or something like
you know, telling Sophia like you know, he's you know,
she's single, right or something, and so he you know,
there's a point where it's obnoxious and can be obnoxious anyway.

(13:55):
He's got a lot of people who have sometimes said
that about him, So yeah, I think it's not cool.
He needs to kind of move on and find another joke.
Maybe he can laugh about his own OCD where he's
afraid to touch people's hands and shake the like joke
and laugh about your I.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Say that all the time my successes. I am the
first to make jokes about myself. I don't like making
jokes about other people. I don't unless it's better to
be Frank cal or A realize I got that I
could do, but I like to make jokes about myself. Harry,
this didn't feel good, but Sophia, good for you is
standing up for yourself. Okay, quickly, before we get a break.
We have a royal story that I'm not going to

(14:32):
be doing today. Coley, it's yours. What's going on my Hanry?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yes, yes, yes, Well, Harry and Meghan Markle's popularity at
the Invictors Games. You know, it's shocking the British tabloids.
And I love this because you know it's I've been
watching how people I guess here in America anyway, they
are loving Megan on this trip, right, I mean the fashion,
the fashion alone, She's been really doing amazing things with
her fashion and simple things. But Prince Harry and Meghan

(14:57):
Markle's trip to Dualsol door of Germany, where I've been
by way and it's a gorgeous city for the Invictus Games.
You know, it's been a resounding success. But everyone is
thrilled by that idea, namely the British tabloids. You know,
they've not been nice to her. You know this already,
and they've pretty much made it their job to criticize
the Duke and Duchess when they began to separate themselves

(15:17):
from the royal family. And they seem downright shocked by
the popularity because the pass is in love with them,
and German press specifically is gushing over their presence in
the country. So the Daily Mail just could not believe
their eyes when they noted that only positive headlines are
to describe them. I mean, there's nothing negative. They were
looking for it and they could not find it, and

(15:38):
they were confounded that quote. There have been yet no
negative comments about their appearances, and hey, why should there be.
They show they're committed to the to the cause, they're
meeting people, they're ingratiating themselves with people, and they're inspiring
athletes for their for their prowess and their mental fortitude.
So there's really nothing to criticize. Rob and I commanded them.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Rack On absolutely I'm going to send the two of
them are blitz. So want them both to learn German
and only read the German press. That's what Meghan had had.
Just the two of you, get on that blitz, Get
on one of those those courses you can learn, learn German,
the German your life or we got okay, We're going
to take a quick break, if we will be right back.

(16:21):
Welcome back to them.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Naughty but nic show.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I'm rom shuts idea friend, Cory Andrew Hickory. Let's get
to the polls stuff. Thank you ling that share. We
talks about how Prince William and Kate deal with the
mountain pressure thanks to their huge star quality, and their
dad doesn't really plan to help them out. So what's
going on here with Harry and Meghan out of the family.
They still have lots and lots and lots of events

(16:44):
to go to each year. So now they have lots
of events, but not as many royals to share all
the duties. So a lot of the stress, a lot
of the pressure is falling on William and Kate. Plus,
let's be honest, they're now the stars of the family.
If I'm a charity and I send the palace a letter.
Who do I want to come and visit my hospital
and my charity? I want William and Kate. Yeah, I'm

(17:05):
not even sure what Prince Charles. If I get William,
if I get Kate, then I'll get all the press.
So a lot of pressure on these two. Should their
dad help? Let's have a look. Seventy five percent Yes
he should and I agree. Okay, don't forget to vote
on today's poul Go to a Twitter page at Naughty
Nice rabat Facebook pages Naughty Gossip and be sure to
check back to mob raua to hear your results. And

(17:27):
now it's time for any of the dad.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Well, we've got some details behind Taylor Swift's viral in
sync friendship bracelet moment at the VMA's So Lance Bass
nearly broke the internet when he giveed Taylor Swift with
a stack of beaded friendship bracelets on stage at the
VMA's So he ordered the colorful bracelets from Little World
Project with the Jewelers Director of Brand Experience, Mariah Grippo,

(17:52):
and he shared that with Page six at the viral
moment has lit up their community in the most incredible way.
Lance is a lover friend of l w P. Gripple
tells us this pass on moment was planned by him
and his amazing team and hopes that if Taylor won
the Pop Award, he could pass it on to her,
pass it on to her on stage, and of course
he got to do that. So really nice story, love.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, really nice. Help your friends out if your friends
have a small business and you have an opportunity. I mean,
I don't think all of us have the VMA's and
Taylor Swift as a platform, but whatever the platform you
do have, help your friends. This is so sweet. Oh
I'm nicest the day, and now I notice the day.
Whoopy Goldberg, who I love, did stop the View mid

(18:37):
show when she asked Alyssa if she was pregnant. Oh,
never asked, skinny buddy, if they are pregnant. If you are,
Whoopy Goldberg, it's just not a good look. So the
show was going along, there were chatting away, lots of
hot topics, lots of heated conversations. We love that about
the view, and then out of nowhere, she she literally

(18:58):
said are you pregnant? And Alyssa was like, oh, oh
my god. Her mother in law was in the audience too,
shir She said, my mother in law is dying for
me to get pregnant, so don't ask that when she's here.
It's just not a good thing to ask, because then
the follow up question is why do I look big?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Do I look?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
What makes you think that? Whoopah? I love you, but
today you're naughtyous. It's time to end with a moment
of rub rub. If you smile when you are alone,
then you really mean it. I've had a fake smile
for forty years, smiling at things that didn't really make
me happy. The smile that counts is the one on
your face when you are alone. I'm not telling you

(19:40):
not to have a fake smile. We have to do this.
It's called interaction. It's called having a job. It's called communicating.
You have to be happy and smile or pretend to
be interested. You have to fake it. But I also
want you to know when you're alone and you're smiling,
you are winning. Hey, that is it for this week.

(20:02):
Thank you so much for listening to The Naughty but
Nice with Rob and Corey Show, a production of iHeartRadio.
Don't forget to subscribe on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcast
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time and send a note about how this show, how

(20:24):
this community has really grounded her and it's a constant
in her life five days a week. Terry, it is
our honor. Thank you for that altogether. Now, remember, if
you're going to be, you've got to be list take
care everybody.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
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