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November 19, 2025 20 mins

Bethenny Frankel has realized she burned the wrong bridge, quietly begging Andy Cohen for forgiveness as BravoCon thrived without her. Meanwhile, Vanity Fair ignited industry fury by featuring zero women on its Hollywood Issue cover — a tone-deaf move insiders are calling “archaic” and “a slap in the face.” And Tom Cruise is privately livid over “fake” reports claiming he commented on Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban’s divorce. Sources insist the ultra-private star hasn’t said a word — and never will.

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Advice, sugar spice, It's nice.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Bah. Hello, welcome to the naughty but nice Shammy hair
Stop Shooter. And it is Wednesday with that wounded soldier
Johnny Meachimo.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hello, low Love Wednesday, Wednesday windy. Yes. So look, here's
the thing, Like rain is so normal to everybody except
for someone who lives in California. And then it's like, well,
not even in California, in LA, because it rains all
the time in San Francisco. But in LA You're like,
what is this mystical, magical stuff coming from the sky?

(00:50):
What is it? And so I trust me, Like I
grew up around rain, but I've been away from it
for so long that you kind of forget how to act.
And so literally last night I'm running outside. I'm blaming
my friend too, because I was running outside. I was
dog sitting, running outside to bring him his dog, pouring

(01:10):
down rain, and so I run out, I hand him
the dog. I come running back in and it's just
like everything about it is like our shoes aren't built
for the rain here because we don't need them to be,
and the floors aren't built for the rain because we
don't need them to be. So I'm running as you
can imagine slippery shoes, faux wood floor, and just imagine

(01:35):
the rest me slipping, falling, landing against a wall. And
then everyone knows that fatty part under your eyebrow, yes
to where it's like happened to hit just so perfectly.
Oh no that And then the crazy thing is is
I think I blacked out because all of a sudden
I must awaken I like I was on the floor

(01:56):
five minutes later, going what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I beout? You black tie, black tie, Donnie, take care
of yourself, my friends. I never did think about it.
And you do look adorable with the big bandage over
like a pie like a pi.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
But the other one take I have a scar on
the other in the same exact spot from years ago.
So and just imagine that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
You take care of yourself. Okay, let's jump into our
show on time? Is it? My friends? It is is
to you time. Big story. At the top of the show,
Bethany Frankele once Andy Cohen to forgive her. So what's
going on here is that we've seen so much press
from Brava Cahn. That's the only thing that's really in
the news. At the minute, I'm going on all these celebrities.
I'm no longer into Bravo, so I don't really care
about this story some search and by I love different celebrities.

(02:41):
I just don't care that much about the hat anymore. However,
somebody that does is Bethany. Let me remind you so
Bethany literally bit the hand. The pizza brather made Bethany
a star. She turned on most of her friends on
the show, and then she finally bit Bravo. There's no
going back to that now. I bet that Bethany in
Florida is reminiscing. She's looking at all this. It's not

(03:04):
just the money, it's the fame. We've spoke to so
many of the women on this show. They've always wanted
to be famous, They've always wanted to be in the spotlight,
and they are. They are as long as you're on
the show. Wouldn't she no longer on the show? They
disappear like We'll always remember Jills Aaron, but not to
the extent that we did ten years ago. You do disappear,
you get replaced new talent at Bravo. The star of

(03:26):
the show at Bravo is Bravo. They'll always find a
new star. I'm told in a few days they're going
to announce the new cast for the Real Housewives of
New York. But we'll get to that in a moment. However, Bethany,
it breaks my heart a little bit. I'm no fan
of bethanis in fact personal really, but I actually feel
a bit bad for her here begging to return, really

(03:47):
missing it. Sometimes we do this, don't we. We sabotage
what we really love. And Bethany was at her happiest,
was at her best, was her most successful when she
was with Andy Cohen. Now, with that Andy's guidance and
help and real expertise as an executive producer, her stuff
has not really worked. Don't worry. She got a ton
of money. She sold that skinny girl Marga Rita and

(04:09):
made a lot of money. So I don't think it's
about money. I think it's about being relevant. I think
it's about being jealous. She's opening up her papers, websites, apps,
and she's seeing all these photos of the housewives and
she ain't part of that club anymore. Yeh See.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
That's the thing, like it's once you're a reality TV star,
it's it becomes that's your job, and it becomes all
you know, and it's like, so when you're not on
TV and you're like, people don't realize this. It's like
all these vander Pump Rules cast and all of them,
it's like out of side, out of mind. Like once

(04:44):
you're not on there anymore, people forget about you. And
it's like not on purpose, it's just because they're not
watching you daily. And I think what it goes back
to is, I know one of the sources was like,
Bethany needs Bravo. Bravo doesn't need Bethany. The thing is
is Bravo needs a hit. It badly.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
They did.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
But the problem is is Bethany's not a hit anymore.
If Bethany was to come out with the show Bethany
you know does I don't know, you know, Bakethoven, I
don't know. Whatever Bethany does, it wouldn't be a hit.
It would get one hundred thousand viewers, maybe two, but
that's not enough to survive anymore. Yeah, So it's a

(05:23):
different world. Bravo doesn't have well, they have it, but
they just don't pay it. They don't pay Bethany money anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
And they're not paying that money. No, those days are over. Yeah,
those days are over. Paying millions of dollars per season.
It's just over. It will never ever happen again. If
Bethany went back, I don't think she would. I don't
think Bravo want her. But if she did go back,
what would happen about the pay Here? They're not paying
you old money. It's going to be new money. And
so from going from almost a million dollars to a
couple of hundred thousand is something she probably doesn't want

(05:52):
to do, although she does need the airtime to keep relevant. Yes,
she has millions of people on her social media. It's
so interesting. As a culture, there's nothing there's nothing new
about this. We move on really really quickly. If you
think about people that are on American Idol, there's so
many winners now we just don't even know up from down.
And so this is the nature of celebrity in America

(06:14):
and really around the world. We all have new, shiny,
hot people. And there will be a day, believing or not,
when we're not talking about Taylor Swift. It will happen.
There will be a day when we're not talking about Beyonce.
When I was growing up, the biggest stars in the
world were Michael Jackson and Madonna. We don't really hear
so much about Madonna anymore. Obviously Michael's not with us.

(06:35):
We don't not hear, right, But it's just so interesting Donna,
you can be comfortable being somebody that's had your moment.
Last night, Monday night, Delena took me to the premiere
of Wicked in New York, and Delena and I, unfortunately
sat with a lot of social media tiktoki type people inside.
There were twenty one, there were twenty two. We did

(06:55):
not know any of them. They all knew each other,
and it was just fine. It felt like the circle
of life. I'm not saying we're retired and push us out,
which is in a different place. I don't want to
be twenty one filming videos in the bathroom for my
TikTok followers at a premiere. I want to be sitting
talking to my friend and gossipin about the evening. And
so I do get it. It does feel as if

(07:17):
Bravo has moved on and Bethan, they dare I say,
has not, which brings us to our whole question of
the day. Bethany really is begging for forgiveness. She wants
to be back on Bravo. She misses it. There's so
much publicity at the moment about that convention in Vegas.
Should brother take her back? If somebody is really really mean,

(07:38):
if they bite him. I think she threatened a lawsuit.
It got really ugly. This wasn't just a couple of
people falling out. We've worked at companies, Donnie. We don't
always leave on the best note. But I've never burnt
the place down, and I've never left a company really
wanting them to be over. I think Bethany wanted Brather
to literally disappear without her. It certainly didn't. It's no

(07:59):
longer to massive hit that it was ten years ago,
but it still chugs along. And so what do you
think here? Will they take her back? Vote on our
Twitter page? I had a naughty nice role about Facebook
page is naughty gossip. But I'm sure to check back
tomorrow yourselves to hear your results. Hey, Donnie, what are
you working.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
On this vanity fair Hollywood issue? It is sparking outrage. Basically,
you know, Vanity vers is drop dead ladies. There is
no women on the coverage. It's Andrew Garfield, Glympal, Michael
b Jordan Lakista, Jeremie Allan goes on Paul Meskow. John

(08:40):
Bailey asked him, but I'm fabulous, But did nobody go
there's not a single woman there. There's not a single
and let's be real. I don't know if it's me.
But when I think Vanity Fair, I don't think Paul Mesca.
You know, is that me? I don't think Andrew because

(09:01):
Vanity Fear to me is a women's magazine.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Am I wrong? There? Like it's women sell covers traditionally,
even the men's magazines GQ s right, they put women
on the cover. Women sell more magazines than men. They
have a new editor in chief. That's what's going on here.
They have a new editor in chief. He wants to
make it his own. Unfortunately, though, I think he's turning
people away. It's so dumb. If you really want to

(09:25):
think about the powerhouses performances of this year, I'm thinking
of Symphony Symphony Arivo. I'm thinking of Ariana Grande. I'm
thinking of Emma Stone, I'm thinking of Jerenali. For Lawrence,
I'm thinking of Zandera I'm not really thinking of these guys.
Maybe Jonathan Bailey would be on my list, but why
not a mix? They went out their way here to
just put men on the cover tone death Get it Together,

(09:51):
Anna Winter, You're still the boss over there. You might
want to step in, Okay, moving along. There's lots of
reports out that Tom Cruise has broken his silence about
Nicole Kidman, his ex, and Keith Herban's divorce. Well, I'm
told don't believe it. Tom has not spoken, and he
never speaks about Nicole. He certainly would not speak about

(10:12):
the divorce. People are saying that Tom called the breakup
karma because she didn't treat him very well after they
broke up. I'm told he might even think that, but
we will never know because he would not comment. Let's
remember they both signed an ironclad NDA. Tom's not messing
with the law, he's not messing with the past. He
is not part of that gossip world. If this was

(10:33):
a Kardashian, I'd believe it in a minute. Whenever I
see friends of Tom Cruz say the following, I don't
believe it. His surtle's really really tight. He's not talking
about this one. I don't even I couldn't even predict
what his reaction is to this. He seems to have
some respect for Nicole, at least as an actress. I'm
not sure as an ex wife. But he would not

(10:55):
talk about this. Do not believe that he's broke his silence?
Do you great?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I mean, I look, this is no shade, no shading Nicole,
no shady Keith Urban. I don't think Tom Cruise even
knows that she was married to Keith and then got
a divorce. Let let's be real. He's Tom Cruise. He's
dancing at that Who's party of Debbie Allen's party, He's

(11:20):
He's just I don't saying Tom is opening up page six.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I just don't think about it.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Doesn't tell me because I just and and this is
no shade him. I just think he is of that
caliber that he just lives in a different world.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
They live in different worlds. This is the thing. Really,
it's a different world. They're not sitting around reading us sweetly,
they're not reading TMC. They're just then then they're not
doing this. Tom, Tommy is not part of this. I
wouldn't even be surprised if he if he knows, I
don't think he knows who Keith Urban is. It's just
not his world. I just none of that makes sense.
We always want to give you the truth here on

(11:55):
the Naughty but Nice Show. Okay, moving forward, Leave Schreiber,
who I used to have a bit of a crush,
has been hospital lies and nobody is really saying what
has happened? What do you know, Donna, Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
There are sources that are telling the shooter Scoop that, uh,
it's actually a lot worse than people are leading on.
So he was hospitalized for headaches, but he's been in
the hospital a couple of days. Now, headaches don't really
put you in the hospital for a couple of days.
They're running tests and apparently what they're putting on outside,

(12:28):
what they're putting on is nobody really knows what's going on.
The insider people know what's going on. He has people
around him, He has friends, sources of saying it's a
lot worse. It's bad. Basically, those close to him are
extremely worried. And you know, here's here's this also an
insider secret. And also maybe maybe it's sad, but it's

(12:51):
the nature of the business when you work in something
like this, something like this happens you you you prep ao,
bit it's it's not it's just out of you've been
doing this so long.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, and this sounds bad. It sounds really really bad.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, I'm told you know, you're not rushed to hospital
for a couple of days. And if you're a star,
especially if you're a star, because all the rumors will start.
They have private doctors who move into He has money
and so they they're not telling the whole truth here,
which is their prerogative. Health issues are private. But to
put out a statement that everything's fine, that doesn't seem

(13:31):
really very honest either. But no, they whenever you hear
a celebrity, a friend, anybody is rushed to hospital, they
never go to hospital because they feel great. Let's be honest.
There's something going on here, and we are sending you
our best. Okay, quickly before we get a break breaking news.
Somebody else has come forward with allegations against the Diddy.

(13:52):
A young producer in La says that did he really
propositioned him, really touched him, was inappropriate with him, humiliated
him when he was working with the superstar. Now did
his people are saying it's all nonsense. It's merit less. However,
it looks like this is going to move forward. According
to a police report, the Florida based producer not la sorry,

(14:16):
Florida based producer met did He during a party of
photo shoots and then what happened next was traumatic sexual stuff,
touching unwanted feeling. He refused did he allegedly refused to stop.
Did he is? Who did he is? I think we
saw enough at that first trial that, even if it

(14:36):
is not the Rico charges or it is not as
serious as federal charges here, there's something going on. He's
currently in jail, but I think more and more are
these breaking news lawsuits are going to happen. Okay, we're
going to take a quick break and we will be
right back. Welcome back to the Naughty but Night Show.

(15:00):
How are you holding up, Donnie? You're still with us?
You poor baby? Stop it in your art.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
I know it's just like it's just uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I bet this are you taking Tayler knowledge? Have a painkiller?

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yes, I have fireball on a bottle of.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
The bottle of Vandra. There's do not follow his example. Daughter.
It's okay, let's get to the pole show. We talked
about Taylor Swift will never ever appear, never ever, ever
going to appear on Andy Coyan's Bravo show. She doesn't
want to. It's a shady show. It's a slappish did
you say what I did? I love his show, but

(15:38):
it's just not what Taylor Swift is. And another real
reason she's not going to appear on it is Bravo
loves to pit women against each other. That is the
opper tailor stands. She's not playing that game. And can
you imagine if Andy asked about Brather she doesn't like
she does.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Watch My Mom.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
It's just bad fit. He needs her more than she
needs him. I get what he wants, so the ratings
would be huge. Was this a smart move of Taylor's
or a shady move? Let's have a look. Nine's smart, Taylor.
This is not the show for you. Don't forget to
vote on today's Paul go our Twitter page, addnaughdy nice rob.
Our facebook page is not at your sib and be

(16:17):
sure to check back to morrow to hear your results
are Now it's time for the nicest of the day.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Real quick, now to run the nice of the day.
I want to jump back just out of context. The
whole Diddy allegations was five years ago, and like, let's
and he's been dealing with this court drama for at
least what two now, so it was three before he
got caught. That's how soon. Like, that's how recent. It's
not like this stuff happened in the nineties. It did

(16:47):
happen in the nineties, but it was also still happening.
It's just up to three years.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah. The theory is if you if you get away
with it, you don't start.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
It's like, that's that's what I think. I really want
people to hammer in their heads, like it's that recent, folks,
you nicest of the nicest speaking of touching each other,
but in a good way.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Terrible transition.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
But and Cynthia Arrivo, who are not on the vanity
fair Hollywood issue, do not do not get mistaken. These
women are gonna be in the biggest move Anyways. I'm
upset about it drives me crazy. But I love these
two because they have a connection that is you you

(17:31):
see it. You can tell when like I have friends
that are are connected. It's kinetic. Like everybody who say
this with you, like when we're together like we.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Laugh and we we.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Just it's funny and there's like there's nothing wrong. That's
how these two are. But we're not always holding each
other's hands like Cynthia and Ariana are. But they explain.
Arianna explained why. It's because it's the way they channel energy.
And that's true because some people they need physical touch.

(18:03):
Physical touch is a way of you know, consoling someone
from soothing someone from just holding your hand on the
red carpet, because it basically just says I got you,
I'm here for you. I know all these people have
zillion cameras on our faces, but I got you back.
I'm your sister, and I love this.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I love it. But the real deal, the real deal.
I saw them together on Monday. You're the real real deal.
And I see the day now, I notice the day
pusha William sand So Porsha was pulled off a plane,
a shocking SBI investigation. It's dominating the headlines and it's
furious about this. So she was on a delta flight

(18:45):
and federal agents hijacked really the Brather convention because now
this is the only thing anybody is talking about. Andy
is furious about it. They have stole or she has
stole a spot like this is what happens when you
hire shade people like Bravo is delicious because the shows
are so awful, But it's the same awful people on
the shows that are coming to that are employees. And

(19:08):
so you've only really got yourself to blame for this
one and not is the day. Let's end at a moment.
They call it arrogant when you stop settling for less,
but he's the truth. It's not arrogance. It's self respect
when you finally raise your standards, when you stop tolerating

(19:29):
what drains you, when you start asking for what you deserve.
Insecure people have a label for that. People who benefited
from the old you will always resent the upgraded one.
Let them their discomfort. It's not your responsibility. You're not
being arrogant. You were wanting to be better. Keep your

(19:53):
standards high. Hey, that is it for today. Thank you
so much for listening to The Naughty Buttnis with Robin Donnishow,
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(20:16):
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