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November 10, 2025 20 mins

BravoCon Live ticket sales have flatlined just days before showtime. Meanwhile, Kim Kardashian has failed the California Bar Exam once more — but vows “falling short isn’t failure.” And in a twist worthy of reality TV, whispers suggest former RHONJ husband Joe Giudice could soon be back on U.S. soil thanks to a surprise presidential pardon in the works.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Advice. Sure, it's time hell, no love and no one
now Hello, welcome to the not even nic shame your house,
drum shooter. And it's Monday, which means our dear friend
Garrett Vogel joints us Hey Garrett.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Either Hello, Bob's welcome home. Thank you so much, my friend.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Of course, I was in the UK last week. It's
funny to think about that, isn't it just a week
ago I was in a different country.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well, you know a lot of a lot of the
naughties know that they were sending their well withs to
you and your family, And you know, I wanted to
ask you too, And I think it would be cool
there for the audience to hear if we didn't know
your dad, what would be the best way to describe
your dad?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
He was funny, He was kind, He was ridiculous, He
was loving. He was a really good guy. He was
a showman. My mom is actually quite shy and him, Yeah,
I do, I really do. He liked Liza Minelli, he
liked Shirley Bassi. He liked big productions where my mom
is much more quiet, and so they were a trific combination.

(01:09):
It was lovely growing up with the two of them.
I love you a lot, Dad. If you're listening, I'm
sure you are a lower lower low. Let's jump into
the show. What time is it, my friends tea time?
This is a big story. So you're going to not
hear about this anywhere else just yet. It's going to explode.
Everyone will be talking about it eventually, but we're talking
about it. First. Bravo con which is their big live convention.

(01:31):
They used to do it every year, but they haven't
done it for the last couple of years. And now
we know why. Brother's freaking out because ticket sales are
a disaster and it starts in just a few days.
It's a three day extravaganza. This year it is in Vegas.
Bravo doesn't know what to do. They're looking at the
ticket sales to these shows and they probably should think

(01:52):
about maybe canceling some of them. I don't think they will.
I loved them upon ticket masters, so this isn't just
internal figures. I got those, but I also so then
double checks. That's what we do as reporters, just to
see what was going on. You can get a ticket
master and see any show from Taylor Swift to Madonna,
they're all on there, and so I looked at Bravo Khan,
and it looks to me, I got my little calculator

(02:12):
at only about twenty percent of seats are sold for
one event, about fifty percent for another. Fifty percent isn't
very good, But it looks good here because there's a
holiday spectacular too that I think Andy hosts that's sold
about ten percent. And now i'd be behind the scenes.
They are freaking out. We know a lot, you know
a lot, Garrett about the music business. If you sell
ten percent, you cancel the show.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
This is where an artist would come out and say, hey, scheduling,
you know, scheduling, mental health, you know things that you
really can't question.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
But this is this is kind of like it.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
You could see the obvious here, Like you know, we
always wonder, like, hey, who's listening to us? How many
people are watching us? I think the response alone by
the amount of tickets have been sold for Bravo Khan
tells you know where this this bra is just in
general as a network and none alone the housewives. And
remember a few years ago it was all fun when
you know, it was like the fire festival, you know

(03:09):
of Bravo con where it was a big mess in
New York City and they moved it out to Vegas
thinking big glitz and glam. But I think it just
shows the audience has moved on and Bravo hasn't.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know. Yeah, they're trying to squeeze more money out
of their audience. These tickets are expensive, a couple of
hundred dollars a week and pass is a lot of money.
People were willing to do that when it was in
New York, when it first launched, I think it was
a decade ago, it was quite hard to actually get tickets.
Now they're going to lower the prices. They are comping,
So if you do want to go and see it,
wait because these are going to go down to ten,

(03:42):
fifteen to twenty dollars. They're going to be literally giving
away tickets. I think that's something biggest going on the
garret and you just hinted at it. I'm over Bravo.
I used to be really to the Housewives, and let's
be honest, it was a monster success show. It made
Andy Cohen a multimillionaire. Watch What Happens Lives. He's the
executive producer of the Housewives, and it wasn't just one

(04:05):
hit show, it was like five or six because they
kept expanding the franchise. A network, someone like e can
survive on just one hit show The Kardashians. The same
with Bravo. The problem is is that once that hit
goes away, so does your network. And I know Bravo's
trying really hard to find new franchises. Summer House, vander
Pump Rules, all good shows, but none of them are

(04:28):
enough anymore. I don't get excited anymore by the Housewives.
I used to love bumping into Luai. I know all
those ladies, Jill, Sarah, Teresa from Jersey. Now there's so
many of them. I just don't think I care anymore.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, and I think Bravo needs to just take a
page out of All the Housewives itself and go under
a little reconstruction and just to really just start from
the bottom and start all new again. You know, it's
gonna take a while, but I think we've seen all
the Housewives. I think people just assume that, oh, it's
the Housewives. The name sells itself. Well, eventually it kind

(05:04):
of teeters out, you know, like and if you don't change,
and if you don't adapt, with the audience, you're just
gonna get left behind.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
It get less and less and less. Plus the housewives
they do their own thing. If you want to see
these ladies, if you want to see Sonia Morgan, if
you want to see Lisa Renna, you can. They do
cabaret aks right, They're selling their own tickets. So having
all these Bravo stars under one roof that used to
be really special. Now it's a Tuesday night in New York.
You can get any restaurants in New York and find

(05:30):
a house if they're and so I do get it.
I also think Andy Stock has probably decreased a little bit.
For a minute, he was the hottest new thing in
the world. This happens with everybody. Now he's doing great.
Still he shows in its twentieth year, I think, but
it's no longer.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
He's a great executive.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I mean he is, and you know it's it's interesting.
But you know, I think there needs to be more
than just come see us talk and fight on stage,
you know what I mean, like making an experience like
I would pay I would pay a good forty to
fifty bucks to get in a picture and you know,
act like we're flipping a table with a few of

(06:06):
the house.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It needs to be that, doesn't it. It really just need
to be. They don't pay the ladies either, so a
lot of the loads don't. They get paid their travel
and they get paid their hotels, but these ladies want
cash now they used to all do it. A lot
of them have gone to Like when I think of
the New York franchise, if they did an evening get
rather calm. For the New York Housewives, I don't know
them because all the ones I know have been fired.

(06:28):
It's a brand new cast and it can't just be
New York. I used to love knee Leaks in Atlanta.
I don't know the ladies on that show anymore. I
don't think I know the Beverly Hills one either anymore.
So it's just diminishing returns this idea. Maybe they should
have done a smaller room too, it's a massive room.
Maybe not Vegas. It's expensive. Vegas is struggling at the moment.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
And it's a cruise. Should be a cruise.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
They should have been on a big cruise ship. That's
really smart, I think too. And you did mention this garret.
There's also too something about our culture and flipping tables
and rewarding behavior. I'm just not into it anymore. More.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Are you coming? Gone?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, when American Idol made fun of really people that
struggled with mental health, it was funny twenty years ago.
I'm not sure it ever was, but we did laugh
twenty years ago. You can't do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
And honeybooboo, remember honeybooboo, like really really loved honey booboo.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's just not right, is it making fun of people
and rewarding these awful women for being terrible.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
To what I And the money too, you know what,
I think it is too. I think it's hard for
people to watch people with so much money just you know,
wasted away, wasted no, especially in the in the struggle
we that are struggling right now.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
How do you how do you relate?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
You can't relate to those those women at all, maybe
maybe two three percent at tops, But still.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think it's the end of the Housewives. You heard
it here first. If you still love it, knock yourself out.
I'm not judging it. I've moved on, I think, and
I know by these numbers a lot of other people
have too, which brings us to our whole question of
the day. Brother Kahn Live is in crisis. Ticket sales
are a disaster days before showtime. Are you over Bravo?

(08:03):
You're done with Bravo? I think too? What's going on here?
And TV insider told me that now Paramount Plus is
the new Bravo. They're putting their big shows like trait
Us is this huge shows that would be on Bravo.
Now it's a peacock, not Paramountlus. Sorry, it's Peacock and
own peacock. And so now people are doing that, they

(08:25):
should invite the cast of trait Us to the Bravo
com Then maybe people would go, hey, go vote on appole.
What do you think? Are you over brav Go vote
on our Twitter page at Naughty nic Rob on our
Facebook page. Audio Gossip and Michure to check that tomorrow
to hear your results. What are you working on?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
So remember a few weeks ago we were talking about
how people were lining up to become become clients of
Kim Kardashian. Well they're going to be waiting in line
a little bit longer than expected because we just found
out that Kim did not pass the California bar exam,
despite all the hype, despite all the people lining up
wanting to take her on as a client, have her

(09:06):
take them on as a client. So so we learned that,
you know, she admitted it. She goes, I'm not a lawyer.
I just play one on TV. By the way, that
show from Ryan Murphy not good at all, Not like
it's not good, it is. It is by far probably
his worst series ever created. The concept beautiful execution not

(09:29):
so much. But so Kim's going on six years now
into what we probably think is now her unlikely legal journey.
But she's not giving up, no shortcuts. She's she promised,
just more studying. And I will will say that it's
you know, I think Kim is not a quitter. You know,
as much as you want to you want to say,

(09:49):
oh she was given this and that Kim works her
asked us. So I think eventually will she become a lawyer?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yes? How how quickly? I do not know?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Right, I spoke to some Kodash sources late last night
and they're all hungover from Chris Jenna's seventieth birthday party.
At everybody was there, right, I even hear Beyonce was there.
There's no pictures of her, but hey, you should be said,
Kim is not a quitter. Then I've known Kim for
twenty years. Nobody works harder than Kim. If you tell

(10:19):
Kim she has to get up at four o'clock to
do the Today Show, she gets up at three thirty.
She's on time, she's professional. She really wants this to
I am hearing from her friends. Don't counter act. She's
going to really bottle down. I think she even said
that this is going to inspire her. In fact, she
said she was so close to passing and that only
motivates me even more. Kim, you do this, you want this.

(10:43):
There is nothing you cannot do if you do the work,
Do the work. Okay, moving along. New pictures out over
the weekend of Princess Beatrice and Prince Yes, Eugenie.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Did you take these times? Why? I wish I had.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
I would have made some money. And those two I
disgraced Andrew. We can't call him a prince anymore. And
Sarah Ferguson's kids, so they've not been seen since their
parents were stripped of their titles. They popped up in Mayfair,
which is a really fancy part of London. And they
looked really nice in the pictures, really really professional, hugging,

(11:14):
being affectionate. Now insiders are saying these pictures were most
likely stayed. They just looked I know, they just looked
too great in them. They were just cord walking down
the street in beautiful coats, and then the pictures went
around the world. I like this. I know the business
of celebrity. I know the machinery, we know how it works.

(11:35):
But I also know the results. This is exactly what
they should be doing. They should be out and about,
not hiding what their parents did they didn't do. They
should not be doing interviews, just visuals, just photographs. A
picture of these two out together holding hands, I think
is a good look for both of them. Don't be
too greedy here, it's hold back. I know every TV

(11:57):
show in the world is calling them for an interview,
and your ego sometimes says, oh my goodness, let me
sit down with Oprah, let me sit down with all
these huge celebrities, Katie curric with Savannah Guffrey. Don't do it,
stay quiet, take a few pictures, and eventually you will
you might be.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
What was the family gathering over the weekend to everybody
it was a.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Big remembrance over the Poppy Day, a massive remembrance over
the weekend. And that was sort of really visually interesting
too because while while King Charles, whilst King Charles was
busy over the weekend, really honoring the troops, really putting
down some emotional moments, really really getting into it, he

(12:40):
was honoring the fall and that's what the Poppy Day is.
While he was doing that, Harry and Meghan were partying
with the Cardashians.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Talk about dudes, separate worlds right there.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
But you know, it's interesting william Son though he's twelve
years old, and like it's crazy to see him as
a twelve year old because you still think of him
as as a little baby. I mean he is, he
is a little preteen is pre teen second, and to
think that he's second in line behind that pretty much,
I mean it's insane.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I love it. I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Okay, quickly, before we got a break, we're hearing that
a housewife who is on the Celebrity Apprentice now believes
that a pod and a presidential pardon might be coming
her way. What am I talking about?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, I think we might have just saved Bravo Khan,
Rob Shooter because listen, hear me out on this one.
So I so here's what this what we got from
Shooter scoop. And we're hearing whispers that Teresa's husband, ex husband,
Joe du Dja, may be on the return, coming back
to the US after he's deported in twenty nineteen after
serving time for fraud. Joe has quietly rebuilt his life

(13:43):
in the Bahamas, staying close to his daughters, of course,
and keeping clean. He's been very patient, working, paying taxes,
staying out of trouble, which is very important.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
All our legal sources, minus Kim Kardashian, are saying there's
a real pathway home could be emerging. Well, even a
presidential pardon for Joe. He's very hopeful and I think
I think Rob, if this presidential pardoner were to come down,
we bring it to Bravo kan Alive.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I mean, how crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Everybody loves a comeback story, but just to think like
this man literally had the world against him and now he.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Stole money from people. There's victims out there that he
was fraud. It was awful, millions and millions of dollars
he wrecked people's lives. He went to jail as he should,
so did Teresa, and now a pardon. Although the President
seems to be on a bit of a tirade at
the moment. Just this morning he pardoned Rudy Julie for
the election fraud. Also too, he pardoned somebody from the

(14:43):
Celebrity Apprentice last week straw somebody a football player, a
baseball player, someone in the sports world. I don't know
the sports world very much, but he was on Celebrity Apprentice.
Donald has the President has great, great affection for those
people that were on his show, Celebrity Apprentice, and you
can't forget. I think the only housewife to ever be
on Celebrity Apprentice was Teresa, so she does have a

(15:05):
direct line to him. No, she never did it. I
think she did the Martha Stewart Apprentice, the Donald Trump one.
But yeah, Teresa was the biggest star from housewives and
that's the one who was on Celebrity Apprentice. So she
does have a personal relationship. Pardons seem to be in
the air at the moment, like them or not, And
so Joe, I guess we'll be next.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay, we're going to take.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
A quick break and we will be right back. Welcome
back to the naultimate night, shabby House computy with a
different yes character. Hey, let's get to the polls Lash show.
We talked about Timothy Shallomeah and Kylie Jenna. There's whispers
about them getting married. He recently did an interview where
he has babies on the mind. He's on the cover
of Vogue. He wants to have babi as well. Sources

(15:46):
are saying he also wants to get married. Our question
was quite simple. Do you like these two us a couple?
I think when they first started to date, they were
very odd, weren't they. She's so public, she's a Kardashian,
he's so private. But I think they've really found their
rhythm together. Do you like them as a couple? Sixty
one percent said yes, you do, so do I don't
forget To vote on today's pole. Go to Twitter page

(16:08):
at nordr knows Rob. Her Facebook page is Naughty gil Zimba,
and be sure to head back tomorrow to hear your
results and name. Oh well, it's time for the nicest
of the day.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well, it was only a matter of time. How does
Taylor Swift extend her career? Past music. It looks like
she's plotting her own lifestyle brand, Rob Shooter, So you know,
move over, Meghan Marko. You know, she's so Taylor's laying
the groundwork for her own lifestyle brand, wellness driven empire
that could go toe to toe with Meghan's and probably

(16:41):
even Gwyneth, Yeah, you know, and Martha. And it's interesting,
we'll talk about it in a second. Why I think
it'll be more relatable. But she's watching what everybody's doing,
so you know, but but think of it as Martha
Stewart meets the ears toward lam which I mean, I
cannot wait to see how that comes out. I mean
from the sour dough bread, uh you know, which which

(17:02):
we we know she loves making any flavor which I
didn't even know you can make a birthday cake flavor
sour though, But here we are.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
She's great, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
The breadcrumbs. She she loves cooking, she loves homewere. So
she's exploring all these little ways the concept though wellness
meets brand rooted authenticity, artistry and emotional connection, everythings that her.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Fans are all about.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
So you know, Megan's selling royal chic. Gwen it's selling
very rich lifestyle brand. I think Taylor is going to
be relatable luxury, which I think it's perfect.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I think it's perfect.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I'm told you there will be a huge charity aspect
of this. She doesn't need the money. She can use
this brand to really do good in the world, which
we know she loves to do. Taylor and nicest of
the day and nine that is the day. Naughty, naughty,
naughty Prince Andrew. We shouldn't call him that anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And Prince do you think do you think he still
writes Prince? I Betty does.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I bet he does. I bet he does. He has
a new three so it doesn't look like he's going
to go to jail for his sex crimes, but he
might for his money. So forget the sex scandals. Andrew's
real downfall may come from his brank account, not his bed.
Insiders are telling me that investigators are now circling his finances.
They're really, really suspicious. Lots of offshore payments is being

(18:20):
over a decade that he was Britain's trade envoy, and
during that time lots of apparently allegedly private trips. Trade
trips looked more like luxury vacation's first class airfare, five
stars hotels. We all paid for that. The British book
public paid for that, And so now he is being
investigated for to talk to Joe du Oh yeah yeah.

(18:44):
Let's sa end with a moment of rube rub. Every
friend was once a stranger you didn't know. Think about it.
Every laugh, every deep conversation, every shoulder you've ever cried
unstarted with a moment of uncertainty. Hello, a risk, a chance.
We forget that connection requires courage. So when you see somebody,

(19:05):
say hi, because you might just be meeting your new
best friend.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Or your podcast partner.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Be nice to people. I say hello to to everybody,
and I've met some really wonderful friends. It's so important
to remember your scar friend.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
It's scary to do, but but once you get over
that hump, then you realize, like, what was I.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Why was it for? Think of your best friend, picture
them in your mind. They once were a stranger. Hey,
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do help and remember altogether. And now let me hear
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