April 25, 2025 • 39 mins
Pelicans TV Color Analyst Antonio Daniels joins Jim Eichenhofer and Gus Kattengell on the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast to recap Dejounte Murray's 2024-25 NBA season.
“(Murray said), ‘This is a point guard’s dream,’ to play with the different offensive options and weapons he had (during preseason). Little did he know that the starting five on the first day of training camp – Dejounte, CJ (McCollum), Herb (Jones), (Brandon Ingram) and Zion (Williamson), they (would not) play one minute together during the preseason or regular season. So what (Murray) saw (in terms of the team’s potential), he never got an opportunity to see it come to fruition. But he never complained or griped about it. He tried to be the best version of himself, and that’s all you can ask.” – Pelicans TV analyst Antonio Daniels on Murray’s bad-luck first New Orleans season
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello, buddy, welcome once again to the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast,
official podcast of your New Orleans Pelicans. We are continuing
with our player profiles and I think you're gonna enjoy
this one. Mister Jimichenhofferpelicans dot com. As you've been joining
us throughout the season and after a season, of course,
Antonio Daniels you might have heard of him, very high energy,
very knowledgeable, just always fun. It's a downer though, Jim,
(00:59):
knowing that we only have like thirty minutes with ad.
You know, I could do like three hours with in
all honesty for people that don't get the opportunity to
know him and talk to him like we sort of do.
You know, off the air and off the mic. That's
that guy, right, I mean, like what you see on screen,
that's him, always full of life, at energy.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You said you could do three hours. I think he
definitely could do three hours as he does well.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We both shows.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I enjoy the fact that he's very self aware to
I've heard him say many times in the past He'll
he'll be like, you know, I know him not for everyone.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I talk a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm very boisterous, yes, and that kind of thing. But uh,
but yeah, we love it. We love anteono.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Maybe that's why I get along with him because my
wife always says, do you ever listen or you just talk?
And to which I tell it world here for fourteen years,
I had a talk show for three hours a day.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
You know we have in the past, we have said
about certain broadcasters that will remain nameless. We I've jokingly
said to you know a PR person who doesn't work
any here anymore. It works for another NBA team. We
jokingly say, they don't pay him to listen. So it
reminds me exactly of.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What you just said. That pay you down real quick.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
They pay you to talk, they don't pay you to listen.
You don't money doesn't come in from listening.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Next so next time, missus case the need to talk.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, they said they don't pay me to listen.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I love it. We're gonna talk about point guards with
Antonio Daniels. Jose Alvarado and the Jean Tey Murray are
the two players that he's going to talk in his
versions of the player profiles. Jim, correct me if I'm wrong.
I sort of feel like one of the storylines for
the Pelicans over the last several years since Zion's been
here as well, when you had brandon ingram c jv Man, turnovers, execution,
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late clutch time, all things that a quote unquote true
point guard would help with. I think we talked about
that a lot the last couple of seasons going into
this season. This past offseason, the Pels make the move right,
they go and get the John Tay Murray in a trade,
bring him in that he is a true point guard.
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We get to Nashville day one of training camp. Jim,
you're with us, and I think it took five minutes
ten minutes, right, and then especially after at first scrimmage,
I feel bad for you. You probably had bruised ribs.
Graph is elbowing you on one side, I'm elbowing you
on the other side. I'm smacking the top of your
knee because there's an alay up, there's a give and go,
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there's a you know, a screenplay. I just we're like,
so that's what a real point guard looks like, right,
And then the second unit is led by Jose Elvarado,
and he and James Barrego, they were there to let
the starters win, right, Jim, I mean I kind of
take us back to what led into that off season
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when it started into training camp and in your first
impression of seeing that first scrimmage, those first practices with
those two point guard.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean I think he went into the season
saying that point guard is going to be a huge
stre through this team. That now you have two guys
that you can fill all forty eight minutes with players
that play a lot like true point guards kind of
the past first guys, the guys that are going to
get a ton of assists and make sure that everyone
gets involved in the offense. I do think that Dejontay
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and Jose both have shown their ability to score. But
we thought going into the season on paper, that this
is going to be great because you're going to have
these guys all season. Unfortunately, you know, Dejonte only played
thirty games, thirty one and Jose played fifty plus, so
I mean combined, they barely got to eighty two games played.
So it was just one of those things that was
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just you thought that things were going to go a
certain way, and obviously injuries prevented that from happening. But
you know, you mentioned how we've had the discussion over
the years, and obviously I've been here the entire time,
and I remember I've heard this so many times, the
Pelicans need to play better in the clutch, and it
was something that just with the eye tests before you
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even look at any stats, any data, you realize, like, Okay,
this team has had problems was executing at the end
of games. I think almost every NBA team, if they're decent,
you'll hear fans complain like, hey, these six games we
should have won. If we had won these games earlier
in the season, we would have had a better record,
we'd have a higher seed, we probably would have advanced
in the playoffs. But it's the kind of thing where
(05:16):
it's like, you never mentioned the games that you won
that were close, So sometimes I think you overstate it.
But it's interesting when I went back and looked at
the clutch time records of the Pelicans over this last
bunch of years. It's not an exaggeration at all to
say that that's been a massively costly part of the game.
So this season, obviously they end up finishing fourteen and
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twenty in clutch time, but you didn't have Dejonte for
a huge chunk of the season. You didn't have Jose
also for a huge portion of the season. But the
thing that's amazing to me and blows my mind when
I look at it, they've actually had a losing record
in clutch time every season all the way back until
twenty seven to eighteen was the last time that they
had a winning record. And I think people remember that
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playoff run from twenty eighteen where Rajon Rondo was the
starting point guard. They moved Drew Holliday to shooting guard,
which I think is something that he was a lot
more comfortable playing, and if you look at his career
since then, it's been the same way that he's been
better as a two guard. But they went thirty and
twenty in clutch time in twenty seven eighteen, and every
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season since then they've had a losing record. I think
the worst record during that stretch and clutch time was
the twenty nineteen twenty season, which was Zion's rookie year,
also the year that ended in the bubble in Orlando.
They were only thirteen and twenty eight that year, So
I mean in really only there's only been a couple
of years even since somewhere they've been close to five
hundred in clutch times. So over and over again, we've
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seen this over the last bunch of years where they
needed to be better at executing at the end of games.
They needed to make sure that they had better possessions.
They needed to reduce the number of times where you
have like a six to eight point lead with three
minutes left and you don't close the game. I feel
like that's something that I know people are probably wincing
when they hear me saying that, and they're also picturing
different games where they had, especially on the road, where
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they had a lead where you're like, Okay, they only
need to make one more play and this thing is
over and they couldn't do it. So, just going back
to the point guard thing, that was the area that
I thought that they could make a huge difference in
it end, I didn't even realize that it was a streak,
but end the drought of how many years in a
row that they finished with a losing record and clutch time. Unfortunately,
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that didn't happen. And I think that you could definitely
draw a direct line to the fact that they didn't
have the point guards on the on the floor that much.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I was gonna say, it's a direct correlation right to
are you a playoff team? Are you a competitive team?
Are you? I mean those those teams do that right when?
Off the top of my head here we don't need
to go long on this, but the teams that win
sixty games this year right in Cleveland, Okay, see the
boss didn't stuff. What do they do late? Yeah, I
mean they finished right bench on that last possession or two,
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make it tough for you to score. And then more
importantly their clutch and score, they can inbound the ball, Jim,
you know me, and a lot of those things. When
I think of the lack of clutch winning in minutes,
it's execution late, it's unforced turnovers, it's throwing it out
of bounds. The infamous you know Nause threw the ball
to a water bottle on one play, as Groff would say,
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as a pass It's just things of that nature, which
is why. But again, though, like now she's got the
point guard. You know, to have a guy who got
to the league always playing professional basketball at that position,
they have certain traits and characteristics, right, and you can
handle the basketball, you can dribble away from pressure, you
can tend to make good decisions. I mean, so we
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were so excited, and you saw it in Game one.
You saw it for the first three quarters Jim, and
then the injury happened, and then even when he came
back from the injury with the Jean Tey Murray, you
saw once he got his legs under him work with
those players, which again it's one thing to practice with them,
it's another to play. You saw what he's capable of doing.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we could sit here for
probably the next two days going through the list of
what ifs from this season, But at one of the
biggest what ifs that I would have loved to have
seen play out is how he would have played if
he had continued to be on the court, Because it
does seem like, and Antonio is going to talk about
this a little bit in his segment, that Dejonte's best
stretch was the very end. So the few games that
(09:21):
he played right before he got hurt in the Boston
game where I think he was hurt in the first
quarter for the first half. The games before that was
the best that he had looked all season, so we
never got to see him. Can he carry this through?
Can he continue to build on that over the last
few months of the season, because obviously that was the
end of the year for him at that moment.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, let's not make our listeners wait any longer, Mister
Antonio Daniels on de jon Tay Murray's season. Now, all right,
we bring it in analyst for the Gulf Coast Sports
and Entertainment Network, mister Antonio Daniels, to talk about a
interesting player this year.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Ad.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
First off, thank you for your time and look, we
were so excited any all season. I remember we're seeing
you and Jim and I when we were in Nashville
for training camp and I couldn't wait for practice number
one on the Jontay Murray game number one, there's de
Jontay Murray. Now we see why the Pells really liked him.
Oh no, I mean I remember the chonte this season. Man,
(10:18):
We'll start just with the overall basis, the Jontay Murray
first season is a pell How would you describe it disappointing?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And I say disappointing not from the fan perspective, but
from the player perspective. From Desonte Murray, like, you played
in thirty one games this year, and obviously that's not
to his all that side of its control. You know,
first game of the season, breaking his hand with two
minutes to go in the game because he made a
smart decision.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
To pull the ball back out.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And then you know, as you go a little further
into the season, obviously tearing his rupture in his achilles.
You know, I know the word that he would use
is disappointing and frustrating because we know who Dejontay Murray is.
We know what he's capable of on both sides of
the basketball. And the thing that sucks is in thirty
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one games. And it's not thirty one straight games. It's
thirty one games that are kind of spread out.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
And I felt like.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Right before Dejonte the season ending injury, he was starting
to get his sea legs under him. I felt like
we started to get a sense of, oh, okay, all right,
this is what Dejontay Murray was brought in here for
one and two. I felt like Jontay Murray started to
find a balance, the balance of Okay, I need to
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score sometimes, I need to be more aggressive sometimes. I
had so many conversations with him throughout the course of
this season and telling him, you know what, this is
a much better basketball team when you are aggressive to score.
If you look at his last four games prior to
him being injured, right the last game that he actually
tours Achilles, he was averaging twenty seven and a half points,
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eight and a half assists, and six and a half rebounds.
So he started to figure some things out on the fly.
So it's just frustrating and unfortunate and disappointing that the
injury occurred when it did.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Ad you touched on some of the things that we're
going to get into a little bit later in this episode.
But one of the things we've been trying to ask everybody,
all the guests that have come on so far to
look back at the season and talk about individual players
is just wanted to kind of get a feel for
Dejonte as a person in terms of maybe how he
approaches the game. I know you know him pretty well
(12:38):
from San Antonio, from that background, But I mean, if
you could just go into that before we kind of
get into maybe some of the more specific stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
That's the part that's disappointing is I don't feel like
Depelicans fan base got an opportunity to know Dejontey Murray
the person, the person. You can throw the player off
the door because you know you're only a player for
a less amount of time, you know, but the person
that he is, the leader that he is. Remember when
Dechontaey Murray broke his hand, he came back to early.
(13:08):
He didn't turn on his regular timetable. He returned early
to try and set a standard and try and show
this fan base. Look, I'm trying to get back on
this floor. I'm trying to show you that I was
worth trading for. And just the person, the leader, the
father that he is. Like as his career continues to go,
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I feel like that's the part that will shine more
than the player, because that ball is gonna stop bouncing.
It's a matter of time before that ball starts bouncing.
But his work ethic, his ability to lead not just
with his words, with his action is something that will
trickle down to everybody in that locker room.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know, one of the reasons that we wanted to
have you on, besides the fact that you know Dejonte
pretty well, is obviously you played point guard in the
NBA for a long time as well. And one of
the things I was curious about when you look back
at Dejonte's season, as you mentioned, it was so disjointed.
It was hard for him to really get into a
groove where he's playing. I mean, even another factor too,
is during the stretch where he was on the court
(14:05):
for a while, the teammates around him were changing all
the time as well. What do you think were some
of the biggest factors that went into the fact that
if you look maybe at his first say, ten to
fifteen games he played and then the last fifteen, the
difference that we saw in his effectiveness and just his
efficiency even too.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, I feel like there's context in all numbers, and
sometimes it's tough to get the actual context of those
numbers because the point.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
That you just brought up, Jim, which is a really
good point, is the.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Teammates will constantly change in the role that you have
when Zion is there and when b I was there,
and when Trey Murphy is there, and when Herb is there,
you know, you go down the list of.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Different guys that are available. Is completely different than the role.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
That you have when Zion's not there and Bi's not there,
and Trey's not there, and CJ's not there and Herb
is not there.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
So his role was constantly changing. Sitting down with.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Him at training camp, I remember just having a conversation
with him about how he felt playing the point guard
position for this team, and his words not mine forbade him.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
He said, you know what, this is a point guard's
dream to play with.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
The different offensive options and weapons that he had at
that particular time. But literally did he know at that
particular time that if you remember the first day of
training camp, the starting five was Dejonte.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
CJ, her Bi, and Zion.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That particular five that was the starting five to start
the season didn't play one minute together in preseason or
the regular season.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
So it's almost like what he saw.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
He never got an opportunity to see it come to fruition,
But he never complained about it.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
He never griped about it.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
He just went out and tried to be the best
version of himself with who will he he was on
that floor with?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
And that's all you can ask.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
One of the things we're also doing with each of
the guests we have is I'm going to give you
two numbers and you can kind of pick whichever one
you want to talk about or discuss if maybe we
can't even talk about both. But here's a couple numbers
stats that are related to Jontay murray season. The first
one is in the final twelve games that Dejonte played
for the Pelicans, he is shooting splits were forty four
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thirty six eighty one. Before that it was thirty seven,
twenty five eighty four, So you see the big jump.
And then the second number is zero, and that is
how many times they he had five or more turnovers
in the last nine games that he played of the season.
He did that five times in games before that where
he had you know, of his first twenty two games
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that he played, there were five times where he had
five or more turnovers. So which of those is the most.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Turnover to you? Yeah, the turnovers, because the turnovers makes sense.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I'm obviously you know, and Joe would tell you this
every time I'm handed the statue. The first thing that
I look at really at halftime is assistant turnover ratio.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
And it makes sense to me.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Why the turnovers would improve, because again, you start to
understand your role a little more, you know. And when
Dejontay Murray first started as a point guard position, it's different.
It's like being a quarterback. I want to make everybody happy.
I want to make everybody happy. So sometimes in trying
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to make everybody happy, I do too much.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
You know, I'm trying to.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Make sure this guy has enough touches, and this guy
had If I'm coming over as a shooting guard, you
know what that means, I'm coming over to shoot, you know.
If I'm coming over at it as a defender, I'm
coming over to defend. You know what none of those
other positions have to do is make sure everybody is happy.
Is make sure everybody eats. That's the job of point guard.
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When you're a point guard in a new situation, a
new organization with a new fan base, a new system,
with a new.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Coach, your job is to want to be liked.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, and you know how You're like, I try and
make everybody happy, and sometimes in making everybody happy, he
was passing up wide open shots to try and make
sure somebody had a chance to eat. So the turnovers. Initially,
I understand we need grasp the concept of overturning the
ball over initially because you're trying to make everybody happy.
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But as you get your sea legs under you, as
your role becomes a little more defined, now you can understand, Okay,
everybody's good with me being more offensively aggressive. Everybody's good
if occasionally I have a twenty five point game or
a twenty point game, and I know that if I'm
offensively aggressive to score, that makes the game more stress.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Free around everybody else.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
So it's for me, it was more about the ability
to adjust on the fly, and problem solved as the
games as he got games under his belt. And for me,
that's the difference in the turnovers initially, in the turnovers
lack of turnovers as the season continued.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Last thing for me on Dejonte, obviously, now he's going
through rehabilitation from an injury. I don't think you ever
had this kind of injury in your career, right, you know,
whether it's conversations that you've had with him or or
just kind of going forward. I mean, how would you say,
what's the way that you approach next season?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
If you're him? Is it just you just got to
be patient?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
You know what, Jim, this is one of those questions
where I'm not knowledge to answer. And because I've never
been in this position, I've never had an injury that
was a eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve month rehab process.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
You know, I tore my meniscus.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
I was on the bike the next morning, you know,
so I wouldn't feel comfortable telling Desonte how to approach
something that I've never dealt with myself.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Sure, you know what I mean? I know.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
So for athletes, the tough part is the mental piece.
The physical part.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Your body will recover, It's given your body will recover.
God made our bodies to be injured, but he also
made them to recover. The recovery part physically, I feel
like it is the easy problem is the easy part.
The mental recovery is the difficult part. And now I
can speak to this experience of tearing the ligament in
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my finger, of tearing my meniscus and understanding the mental
hurdles that you have to get over to run through
that tape. It's not easy because you may have done
something your entire life, but doing it now and realizing
that am I strong enough to do the things that
I once did before? Where you're constantly questioning it? And
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that's what physical therapy is for.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
It's the tough part for me.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And I'll continue to keep in contact with him throughout
this process, just to check on his spirits, see how
he's doing, because it's very easy during this time to
be out a site, out of mind where somebody's no
longer playing, so you kind of forget about them.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And let's move on to the next best thing.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And guys still want to feel like they're a part
of something, even if physically not. They still want to
feel like they're appreciated, like they're mist like they're wanted,
like they're needed.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's interesting you said that because I go back to
how are you just talking about it right now? Right
after the injury. I want to say, within the week,
right we saw him at the facility out there, and
maybe that helps because that's all he knows how to
do right how to get back to work rehab and
to your point, whether that doesn't mean running up and
down the court obviously, but it's being around the team
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and you just spoke to the mental aspect of it's
still going through the daily process of being there with
the teammates being there. So I guess that he's showing
us how his rehab is going to go right. He's
just gonna do what he's always done.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
It's tough because the initial rehab, like you're a part
from your team once you're.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Accustomed to this time is leaning on.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Your New Orleans Pelicans family for support, and when you're
apart from your team, you know, it's tough.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
It's tough because when.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You're isolated, that's a great opportunity for the enemy to
attack your thoughts. You know, a man, I'm never going
to be the same. I'm never going to get back
to who I once was. You know, gosh, I won't
be able to play until fill.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
In the blank. And when you're surrounded with your teammates,
which you're surrounded with your.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Family, it gives you a different mental outlook, a different
mental perspective.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
And that's why I feel like it's so important.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
And I love when guys rehab around the team as
opposed to rehabbing away kind of by themselves, because when
you're away and you're by yourself and you're isolated, I
feel like you're easier to attack mentally, but you're when
you're around the guys and they're jokes and everybody's laughing,
and it's that family feel. I feel like it's hell
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for an athlete and somewhat easier for him to get back.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
To being the best version of himself.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
My only thing I got left here. We wrap up
Antonio Daniels as we talked about the Jontay Murray that
that that season that he just had of learning on
the fly right, learning his teammates, learning the city, learning
that what's continued right this week we have Joe Dumars
being introduced as a new head of basketball here for
the Pelicans, and a guy like that, with the player
like that, I don't know how how could that relationship,
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you know, grow?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
It's always it's always different when you have someone that
that's been in your shoes, you know. And the thing
that Joe Dumars can relate to is what goes on
in between those four lines. And I'm not saying that
with David Griffin whatsoever, not at all, So don't don't
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hear what I'm not saying, I'm just talking about the
relationship between possible relationship between Joe Dumars and and Deconte
Murray or any of the players in the locker room
for that matter. Joe Dumars was a high level guard
in the NBA for a long time, for a long time,
and when you're a high level guard in this league
for a long time, sometimes you can you can see
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certain things. You can see certain things because you have
a trained eye and certain aspects of the game. So
it'll be interesting to see the relationship not just with
with Joe Dumars and Dejohntay Murray, but with Joe Dumars
and the entire Pelicans roster because of his history of
being in between those four lines, they're more relatable.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I'm sure there'll be some interesting conversations too about
the bad boy days and because he loves to play
that tough defense like that too, So that's why I'm
kind of interested to see how that goes. Antonio Daniels,
thank you for so much for your time. Our thanks
to Antonio Daniels. Uh Jim always fun when we get
a chance to just you know, hear him break it
down from that perspective, plus that having that relationship with
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him also helps to because he understands what they went
And the one thing that really start out to me
in that conversation was the mental aspect to it, which
is why I brought up to him seeing him so
quickly right after the surgery for the achilles in you know,
the weight area, the weight room, and obviously can't run
and all that, but he's doing other things to be
around the team, to still be a leader, to still
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be vocal, to still be present, I think does help mentally.
It's right now, you know, when there's no one sort
of around to get that. That's such a tough injury
because one thing, if you you know this happened to
you like it does for me. Middle of the night,
you stop your toe and it feels like you're never
going to feel it. You're feeling in your foot again. Right,
You're like, I can't even get to the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
It hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I can't imagine an injury. As Ad said that takes nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
I mean that's a lot happens.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, in that time.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I like the way that Antonio broke down kind of
the mental explaining the mental aspect of a lot of
different things in our chat with him, I mean, you
can you can kind of picture how difficult it's gonna
be to go through that, Like you said, that long
of a process. But I also thought it was really
interesting when he talked about, you know, the confidence and
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he's going to talk about this in the Jose Alvarado
one as well on Monday, about Jose's confidence in terms
of understanding and making the realization that I am a
starting caliber quality player. And for Dejonte, it was really
more of what Antonio discussed in terms of the confidence
to be like, Okay, I don't have to just distribute tonight.
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They need me to score as well, and so but
it is it is kind of fascinating to think about
that the point guard position is so much of a
mental game. It's so much of a of a that
that part is important that you for you to to
figure out. I mean, the physical part of it is
is crucial as well, and there's so many really good
point guards in the NBA and so many quick guys
that you need to have the physical ability as well.
(26:57):
But maybe the mental game is such a crucial aspect
of of that job.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
There's no doubt about it for sure. One of the
things we want to get into here as well, because
obviously being in the Western Conference, we focus on that.
I've been watching the games, you know, I do it.
So I love the first round, I really do. Because
every single live basket there's at least two games, right,
and there's three on some nights like earlier this week.
(27:23):
And what I love about it is I'm working, Hunt,
Are you still watching basketball pelicies? I'm working, just grinding.
I'm grinding the tape, watching the film, And this is important.
These are things that you can't you have to be
able to observe. Yeah, I'm starting to accept that a
game can get close and the game can get away
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from teams, as we've seen the last year or so. Jim,
I think because a three point shot, right, there's a
couple of series already in some teams when they make
twenty threes, they win. When the threes don't go in,
you tend to have those things. But am I wrong
in thinking the way in East playoff games look different?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
No, I think you're right, and I think it's something
that a lot of people have commented on already of like,
it feels like I mean, I heard people say the
first few days of the playoffs that the playoffs seem
like a different sport than the regular season. And then
there's been other commentary lately where it's like the West
is a different sport than the East. You're just seeing
so much more close competition. And I mean, for example,
(28:24):
in the East, you know, going into the weekend, the
New York Detroit series is the only series that's not
too oh among those four series. Where's in the West,
I mean, Houston, Golden State, Lakers, Wolves, Nuggets, Clippers have
all been extremely competitive and at least in terms of
you know, it's both teams have won a game. I
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think a lot of that, though, you can chalk up
to the depth of the West is so much better,
so you know, it gets kind of thin in the
East after you get through the first five or six teams.
I mean, so I think because of that, you're having
a lot more first round series where the one versus
eight people are expecting to be a huge route and
no competition, and two versus seven the same thing. I mean,
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for example, if you think about it this way, the
seventh seed in the West is Golden State, which is
a team that people think has a chance to compete
for a championship maybe if everything breaks right. The seventh
seed in the East is Orlando, which I mean no
disrespect to the Magic, but a lot of people were like,
they don't even seem like a playoff team the way
that they kind of limped into the postseason. So I mean,
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that's a drastic difference between seven seed in the East
and seventh seed in the West. You know, I wanted
to kind of look this up and go back through
some of the numbers as well to figure out, like
we all of the evidence tells us that the West
is a lot better than the East again this year.
But I looked up on Basketball Reference, which is a
great site to look up stats. So in the twenty
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six seasons since the nineteen ninety nine two thousand campaign,
so basically this century, the East has won the season
series against the West three times, So you're talking twenty
three of the last twenty six seasons. If you take
all the games that were played between the East and
the West against each other, the West has won that
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series all but three of them. This season, the West
was two hundred and forty nine and two hundred and three,
which is a fifty five percent winning percentage. I mean,
there's been a lot of years where it's been similar
to that, where it's like not even close that the
West is so much better than the East. They're actually Surprisingly,
there was a couple of years, a couple seasons of
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this decade where the East had a slightly better record
than the West, and so that represents two of the
three times of the last twenty six years that the
East has actually been better than the West. But I
mean the entire time I've been here, people have said,
you know, for example, maybe they should realign the conferences
because it's imbalanced and it would maybe create a better
(30:52):
postseason of better playoffs if instead of having it separated
the way it is now. And I in my mind,
I've always been like, yeah, but you know what, it's
gonna It's gonna these things go in cycles. Now, eventually
it's going to go back to where So it's like,
you really want to change the format and then have
it go back to where now you're you know, you're
you're at a disadvantage because you change the format and
(31:13):
you're not benefiting from like okay, say five years from now,
the East is better than the West. But when is
that cycle gonna happen? It's like I can see a
lot of people being like, it's just been unbelievable. How
almost the end I mean of the This is my
twentieth season. Eighteen of those twenty seasons, the West has
been better than the East if you look at it
from an objective wins and losses standpoint. So just something
(31:36):
to think about in terms of the Pelicans, and also
obviously just adds to the challenge of I think it's
a lot easier.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
We see this with Detroit.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
It's a lot easier to go from the bottom of
the East to now you're a top six team than
it is in the West. I mean, it's just there's
just a lot more upward mobility in the East because
there's just not as much depth as there is in
the West.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Right now, I just for you know, bleeps and giggles
here as we close out out. This is an interesting
conversation because I've seen this floated around too. Right, you
take the top sixteen teams, it's kind of what we
talk about, record wise, how do you think that would
look because it's Oklahoma, Cleveland, Boston, Houston, Knicks, that's your
top five Okay, Okay, Lakers, Nuggets, Pacers, Clippers, Wolves, the
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next five, Warriors, Grizzlies, Bucks, Pistons, Magic, Hawks. That would
be your playoffs.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Think it would still I think you'd see I mean,
there's there's so many pluses and minuses to that. I mean,
I think you'd see even more one sided first round
series because you'd see the very best team in the
league playing against the very worst playoff team. So like, Okay,
se would be playing the sixteenth best record right now,
so as much damage as they did against Memphis in
the first couple of games that series, that would probably
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be even uglier. So but I do think, you know,
from a practical standpoint, I do think that the problem
is is I think you'd have to reshape the entire
first round format. I think you'd have to go to
two three two series instead of two two one one
one in terms of the site of the games because
of travel, because you'd end up with a Portland versus Miami.
Some years you couldn't do. You couldn't do the the
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way that the schedule is now, you couldn't do that.
If you're talking from teams that have to travel three
time zones. They I mean, you'd have to set it
up the way that they had the finals for a
long time, where it was, you know, two games for
a home team and then the next three you might
even get to game six, so you might have to travel,
you know, multiple times. But but yeah, I think that's
part of it too. And I think also too, if
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you change the format, it's like there's almost no point
of having conferences. So I don't know necessarily if that's
a good idea either.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
And that's something you've brought up there. You you want
to make the divisions I want to make.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, I want to make there be more things to
to play for and more things that motivate a team
to Okay, we have to win tonight because we have
to win the division, or we have to win the
conferences that we have to improve our seating. I do
think that the play in has has helped a lot
in this area, because as in the recent past, previous decade,
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if you were the sixth seed or the seventh seed,
it was just like, yeah, whatever, you might be better.
You might be better off playing be in the seventh
seed if you thought the matchup against the two was
better than the three, so it was pretty irrelevant in
terms of six to seven. Now, it's like we saw
that Clippers Warriors game in the last day of the
regular season where it was felt like the NBA Finals
where they were both trying to make sure that they
(34:24):
didn't end them in the So I think that's helped
a lot. But I do think that going away from
like eliminating some of the lines that create whether it's
rivalries or reasons why you need to win that game,
that's the part that would be a little bit concerning
to me to going to a format where it's just
you just throw the top sixteen teams into the same
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bucket and go from there.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, be fun. Look, can we just agree on this
at the very least, can we just get in the
east just the Mississippi River. It is a clear easy
line of to the left is the West, to the
right is the East.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
You know, you might they might get that chance if
when they expand. I mean, there's been so much discussion
in the last year or so about expansion, but we
still don't really have a definitive timeline for when it's
gonna happen. But it seems like when they expand most
likely they're going to add two teams that are going
to come into the West the West, so you're gonna
need to move one West team into the East. So
maybe that'll be New Orleans. I think Minnesota will have
(35:22):
a very strong argument because they have so many teams
close to them geographically that are in the East, and
they have hardly anybody in the West. Makes sense, so
they probably from a fairness standpoint, I think they'll be
the ones that make the biggest argument. But hey, New
Orleans was in the East the first three seasons or
two seasons that they were in the city here, so
you know, you could sell the league on the idea
(35:42):
of we want to go back to our roots of
an Eastern Conference team.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'm just selfishly in love with the six thirty tip times.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
The six o'clocks are nice. Those are so nice, nice
and easy as opposed to the that's true too. Welcome
to Pelicans, warm up, it's nine.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Pm coming up in the I think the fans would
appreciate that a lot as well, because you would still
play West Coast games, but you could you could basically
cut them in half. If you might have ten games
that start after nine pm. Now you might only have
like four or five in future season.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You're a lot more knowledgeable than this just ten seconds. Seattle, Vegas,
who are the Yeah, any cities that would be an
east like they go back to, well, Vancouver's west there
as well.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Right, No, it seems like those are the two teams
that really there's two cities that everyone talks about the most.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I mean, no Kansas City would like a team, right,
but that's in the middle.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Seattle seems like a no brainer because they have so
many things in their favor there. They had a historic
franchise that was there a long time, they're the biggest market,
TV market population everything that does not have an NBA franchise.
And then with Vegas, obviously there's they've added, you know,
they're adding other pro sports pretty much every sport football
(36:49):
in there, baseball, hockey, hockey, So it seems like they're
kind of a I don't want to say no brainer,
but it just seems like that's the where the momentum
is going. I don't I haven't followed it that closely,
but just generally speaking, it seems like those are the
two teams that would be the likely picks.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
For that I know, it's not political season. That was
last year. But if you want Commissioner Jim Ikenhoffer, I'm
voting for you.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I think you're very sensical, and more importantly, you can
get us to that six six thirty tip times A
vote for Jim as a vote for me.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
We need a ground swell. I would be happy with
the compensation package as well and that job.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So I just want the free every now and then.
Just send me up to New York, you know, for
a little meet and greet there you go, that'd be great. Hey,
if you want to hear any more or get more
information from Jim, go to Pelicans dot com. Each and
every one of our player profiles is on there, and
it's an accompaniment to obviously what you hear here on
the podcast. So in case you missed it, it's fourteen
total players or Gus tell me all no, why don't
(37:44):
you go check them out? They're all on there, So
if you missed any from earlier this week, they'll be
on there. You can check out the ones next week
as well, and they're there for attorney all summer if
you want to go back and read it.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Thanks for the plug, Gus yes Man, you do a
lot of good work.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Monday, we'll be talking about JOSEL Varado with Antonio Daniels,
and we'll be giving you kind of the rundown of
what to expect next week in terms of the five
players that will be in the season reviews and the podcasts,
and it's funny this this, uh, this podcast series and
written pieces as well. It's gonna lead us almost all
the way up into the lottery. So I mean, we're
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gonna have stuff every day, every weekday for the next
several weeks.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
We will.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
There will not be a weekday that we don't have
something posted leading up to the lottery on May twelve.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
You say we're gonna come back, you know, josees on Monday.
Two mondays from Jose's the draft lottery right twelve. Yeah,
it's coming up quick this Monday, coming up to twenty eighth,
then Sinko de Mayo and then the NBA Draft Lottery.
Thank you, Jim as always, Thanks guys, Hey Moe Portantly,
thank you for tuning us in as who's been as
you've been listening to the New Orleans Pelicans podcast.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello, buddy, welcome once again to the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast,
official podcast of your New Orleans Pelicans. We are continuing
with our player profiles and I think you're gonna enjoy
this one. Mister Jimichenhofferpelicans dot com. As you've been joining
us throughout the season and after a season, of course,
Antonio Daniels you might have heard of him, very high energy,
very knowledgeable, just always fun. It's a downer though, Jim,
(00:59):
knowing that we only have like thirty minutes with ad.
You know, I could do like three hours with in
all honesty for people that don't get the opportunity to
know him and talk to him like we sort of do.
You know, off the air and off the mic. That's
that guy, right, I mean, like what you see on screen,
that's him, always full of life, at energy.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
You said you could do three hours. I think he
definitely could do three hours as he does well.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We both shows.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I enjoy the fact that he's very self aware to
I've heard him say many times in the past He'll
he'll be like, you know, I know him not for everyone.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I talk a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm very boisterous, yes, and that kind of thing. But uh,
but yeah, we love it. We love anteono.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Maybe that's why I get along with him because my
wife always says, do you ever listen or you just talk?
And to which I tell it world here for fourteen years,
I had a talk show for three hours a day.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
You know we have in the past, we have said
about certain broadcasters that will remain nameless. We I've jokingly
said to you know a PR person who doesn't work
any here anymore. It works for another NBA team. We
jokingly say, they don't pay him to listen. So it
reminds me exactly of.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What you just said. That pay you down real quick.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
They pay you to talk, they don't pay you to listen.
You don't money doesn't come in from listening.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Next so next time, missus case the need to talk.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, they said they don't pay me to listen.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I love it. We're gonna talk about point guards with
Antonio Daniels. Jose Alvarado and the Jean Tey Murray are
the two players that he's going to talk in his
versions of the player profiles. Jim, correct me if I'm wrong.
I sort of feel like one of the storylines for
the Pelicans over the last several years since Zion's been
here as well, when you had brandon ingram c jv Man, turnovers, execution,
(02:40):
late clutch time, all things that a quote unquote true
point guard would help with. I think we talked about
that a lot the last couple of seasons going into
this season. This past offseason, the Pels make the move right,
they go and get the John Tay Murray in a trade,
bring him in that he is a true point guard.
(03:02):
We get to Nashville day one of training camp. Jim,
you're with us, and I think it took five minutes
ten minutes, right, and then especially after at first scrimmage,
I feel bad for you. You probably had bruised ribs.
Graph is elbowing you on one side, I'm elbowing you
on the other side. I'm smacking the top of your
knee because there's an alay up, there's a give and go,
(03:25):
there's a you know, a screenplay. I just we're like,
so that's what a real point guard looks like, right,
And then the second unit is led by Jose Elvarado,
and he and James Barrego, they were there to let
the starters win, right, Jim, I mean I kind of
take us back to what led into that off season
(03:47):
when it started into training camp and in your first
impression of seeing that first scrimmage, those first practices with
those two point guard.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I mean I think he went into the season
saying that point guard is going to be a huge
stre through this team. That now you have two guys
that you can fill all forty eight minutes with players
that play a lot like true point guards kind of
the past first guys, the guys that are going to
get a ton of assists and make sure that everyone
gets involved in the offense. I do think that Dejontay
(04:15):
and Jose both have shown their ability to score. But
we thought going into the season on paper, that this
is going to be great because you're going to have
these guys all season. Unfortunately, you know, Dejonte only played
thirty games, thirty one and Jose played fifty plus, so
I mean combined, they barely got to eighty two games played.
So it was just one of those things that was
(04:35):
just you thought that things were going to go a
certain way, and obviously injuries prevented that from happening. But
you know, you mentioned how we've had the discussion over
the years, and obviously I've been here the entire time,
and I remember I've heard this so many times, the
Pelicans need to play better in the clutch, and it
was something that just with the eye tests before you
(04:55):
even look at any stats, any data, you realize, like, Okay,
this team has had problems was executing at the end
of games. I think almost every NBA team, if they're decent,
you'll hear fans complain like, hey, these six games we
should have won. If we had won these games earlier
in the season, we would have had a better record,
we'd have a higher seed, we probably would have advanced
in the playoffs. But it's the kind of thing where
(05:16):
it's like, you never mentioned the games that you won
that were close, So sometimes I think you overstate it.
But it's interesting when I went back and looked at
the clutch time records of the Pelicans over this last
bunch of years. It's not an exaggeration at all to
say that that's been a massively costly part of the game.
So this season, obviously they end up finishing fourteen and
(05:38):
twenty in clutch time, but you didn't have Dejonte for
a huge chunk of the season. You didn't have Jose
also for a huge portion of the season. But the
thing that's amazing to me and blows my mind when
I look at it, they've actually had a losing record
in clutch time every season all the way back until
twenty seven to eighteen was the last time that they
had a winning record. And I think people remember that
(06:00):
playoff run from twenty eighteen where Rajon Rondo was the
starting point guard. They moved Drew Holliday to shooting guard,
which I think is something that he was a lot
more comfortable playing, and if you look at his career
since then, it's been the same way that he's been
better as a two guard. But they went thirty and
twenty in clutch time in twenty seven eighteen, and every
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season since then they've had a losing record. I think
the worst record during that stretch and clutch time was
the twenty nineteen twenty season, which was Zion's rookie year,
also the year that ended in the bubble in Orlando.
They were only thirteen and twenty eight that year, So
I mean in really only there's only been a couple
of years even since somewhere they've been close to five
hundred in clutch times. So over and over again, we've
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seen this over the last bunch of years where they
needed to be better at executing at the end of games.
They needed to make sure that they had better possessions.
They needed to reduce the number of times where you
have like a six to eight point lead with three
minutes left and you don't close the game. I feel
like that's something that I know people are probably wincing
when they hear me saying that, and they're also picturing
different games where they had, especially on the road, where
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they had a lead where you're like, Okay, they only
need to make one more play and this thing is
over and they couldn't do it. So, just going back
to the point guard thing, that was the area that
I thought that they could make a huge difference in
it end, I didn't even realize that it was a streak,
but end the drought of how many years in a
row that they finished with a losing record and clutch time. Unfortunately,
(07:26):
that didn't happen. And I think that you could definitely
draw a direct line to the fact that they didn't
have the point guards on the on the floor that much.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I was gonna say, it's a direct correlation right to
are you a playoff team? Are you a competitive team?
Are you? I mean those those teams do that right when?
Off the top of my head here we don't need
to go long on this, but the teams that win
sixty games this year right in Cleveland, Okay, see the
boss didn't stuff. What do they do late? Yeah, I
mean they finished right bench on that last possession or two,
(07:55):
make it tough for you to score. And then more
importantly their clutch and score, they can inbound the ball, Jim,
you know me, and a lot of those things. When
I think of the lack of clutch winning in minutes,
it's execution late, it's unforced turnovers, it's throwing it out
of bounds. The infamous you know Nause threw the ball
to a water bottle on one play, as Groff would say,
(08:18):
as a pass It's just things of that nature, which
is why. But again, though, like now she's got the
point guard. You know, to have a guy who got
to the league always playing professional basketball at that position,
they have certain traits and characteristics, right, and you can
handle the basketball, you can dribble away from pressure, you
can tend to make good decisions. I mean, so we
(08:40):
were so excited, and you saw it in Game one.
You saw it for the first three quarters Jim, and
then the injury happened, and then even when he came
back from the injury with the Jean Tey Murray, you
saw once he got his legs under him work with
those players, which again it's one thing to practice with them,
it's another to play. You saw what he's capable of doing.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we could sit here for
probably the next two days going through the list of
what ifs from this season, But at one of the
biggest what ifs that I would have loved to have
seen play out is how he would have played if
he had continued to be on the court, Because it
does seem like, and Antonio is going to talk about
this a little bit in his segment, that Dejonte's best
stretch was the very end. So the few games that
(09:21):
he played right before he got hurt in the Boston
game where I think he was hurt in the first
quarter for the first half. The games before that was
the best that he had looked all season, so we
never got to see him. Can he carry this through?
Can he continue to build on that over the last
few months of the season, because obviously that was the
end of the year for him at that moment.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, let's not make our listeners wait any longer, Mister
Antonio Daniels on de jon Tay Murray's season. Now, all right,
we bring it in analyst for the Gulf Coast Sports
and Entertainment Network, mister Antonio Daniels, to talk about a
interesting player this year.
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Ad.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
First off, thank you for your time and look, we
were so excited any all season. I remember we're seeing
you and Jim and I when we were in Nashville
for training camp and I couldn't wait for practice number
one on the Jontay Murray game number one, there's de
Jontay Murray. Now we see why the Pells really liked him.
Oh no, I mean I remember the chonte this season. Man,
(10:18):
We'll start just with the overall basis, the Jontay Murray
first season is a pell How would you describe it disappointing?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And I say disappointing not from the fan perspective, but
from the player perspective. From Desonte Murray, like, you played
in thirty one games this year, and obviously that's not
to his all that side of its control. You know,
first game of the season, breaking his hand with two
minutes to go in the game because he made a
smart decision.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
To pull the ball back out.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And then you know, as you go a little further
into the season, obviously tearing his rupture in his achilles.
You know, I know the word that he would use
is disappointing and frustrating because we know who Dejontay Murray is.
We know what he's capable of on both sides of
the basketball. And the thing that sucks is in thirty
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one games. And it's not thirty one straight games. It's
thirty one games that are kind of spread out.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
And I felt like.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Right before Dejonte the season ending injury, he was starting
to get his sea legs under him. I felt like
we started to get a sense of, oh, okay, all right,
this is what Dejontay Murray was brought in here for
one and two. I felt like Jontay Murray started to
find a balance, the balance of Okay, I need to
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score sometimes, I need to be more aggressive sometimes. I
had so many conversations with him throughout the course of
this season and telling him, you know what, this is
a much better basketball team when you are aggressive to score.
If you look at his last four games prior to
him being injured, right the last game that he actually
tours Achilles, he was averaging twenty seven and a half points,
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eight and a half assists, and six and a half rebounds.
So he started to figure some things out on the fly.
So it's just frustrating and unfortunate and disappointing that the
injury occurred when it did.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Ad you touched on some of the things that we're
going to get into a little bit later in this episode.
But one of the things we've been trying to ask everybody,
all the guests that have come on so far to
look back at the season and talk about individual players
is just wanted to kind of get a feel for
Dejonte as a person in terms of maybe how he
approaches the game. I know you know him pretty well
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from San Antonio, from that background, But I mean, if
you could just go into that before we kind of
get into maybe some of the more specific stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
That's the part that's disappointing is I don't feel like
Depelicans fan base got an opportunity to know Dejontey Murray
the person, the person. You can throw the player off
the door because you know you're only a player for
a less amount of time, you know, but the person
that he is, the leader that he is. Remember when
Dechontaey Murray broke his hand, he came back to early.
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He didn't turn on his regular timetable. He returned early
to try and set a standard and try and show
this fan base. Look, I'm trying to get back on
this floor. I'm trying to show you that I was
worth trading for. And just the person, the leader, the
father that he is. Like as his career continues to go,
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I feel like that's the part that will shine more
than the player, because that ball is gonna stop bouncing.
It's a matter of time before that ball starts bouncing.
But his work ethic, his ability to lead not just
with his words, with his action is something that will
trickle down to everybody in that locker room.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know, one of the reasons that we wanted to
have you on, besides the fact that you know Dejonte
pretty well, is obviously you played point guard in the
NBA for a long time as well. And one of
the things I was curious about when you look back
at Dejonte's season, as you mentioned, it was so disjointed.
It was hard for him to really get into a
groove where he's playing. I mean, even another factor too,
is during the stretch where he was on the court
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for a while, the teammates around him were changing all
the time as well. What do you think were some
of the biggest factors that went into the fact that
if you look maybe at his first say, ten to
fifteen games he played and then the last fifteen, the
difference that we saw in his effectiveness and just his
efficiency even too.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, I feel like there's context in all numbers, and
sometimes it's tough to get the actual context of those
numbers because the point.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
That you just brought up, Jim, which is a really
good point, is the.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Teammates will constantly change in the role that you have
when Zion is there and when b I was there,
and when Trey Murphy is there, and when Herb is there,
you know, you go down the list of.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Different guys that are available. Is completely different than the role.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
That you have when Zion's not there and Bi's not there,
and Trey's not there, and CJ's not there and Herb
is not there.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
So his role was constantly changing. Sitting down with.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Him at training camp, I remember just having a conversation
with him about how he felt playing the point guard
position for this team, and his words not mine forbade him.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
He said, you know what, this is a point guard's
dream to play with.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
The different offensive options and weapons that he had at
that particular time. But literally did he know at that
particular time that if you remember the first day of
training camp, the starting five was Dejonte.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
CJ, her Bi, and Zion.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That particular five that was the starting five to start
the season didn't play one minute together in preseason or
the regular season.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
So it's almost like what he saw.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
He never got an opportunity to see it come to fruition,
But he never complained about it.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
He never griped about it.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
He just went out and tried to be the best
version of himself with who will he he was on
that floor with?
Speaker 5 (16:01):
And that's all you can ask.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
One of the things we're also doing with each of
the guests we have is I'm going to give you
two numbers and you can kind of pick whichever one
you want to talk about or discuss if maybe we
can't even talk about both. But here's a couple numbers
stats that are related to Jontay murray season. The first
one is in the final twelve games that Dejonte played
for the Pelicans, he is shooting splits were forty four
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thirty six eighty one. Before that it was thirty seven,
twenty five eighty four, So you see the big jump.
And then the second number is zero, and that is
how many times they he had five or more turnovers
in the last nine games that he played of the season.
He did that five times in games before that where
he had you know, of his first twenty two games
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that he played, there were five times where he had
five or more turnovers. So which of those is the most.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Turnover to you? Yeah, the turnovers, because the turnovers makes sense.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I'm obviously you know, and Joe would tell you this
every time I'm handed the statue. The first thing that
I look at really at halftime is assistant turnover ratio.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
And it makes sense to me.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Why the turnovers would improve, because again, you start to
understand your role a little more, you know. And when
Dejontay Murray first started as a point guard position, it's different.
It's like being a quarterback. I want to make everybody happy.
I want to make everybody happy. So sometimes in trying
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to make everybody happy, I do too much.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
You know, I'm trying to.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Make sure this guy has enough touches, and this guy
had If I'm coming over as a shooting guard, you
know what that means, I'm coming over to shoot, you know.
If I'm coming over at it as a defender, I'm
coming over to defend. You know what none of those
other positions have to do is make sure everybody is happy.
Is make sure everybody eats. That's the job of point guard.
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When you're a point guard in a new situation, a
new organization with a new fan base, a new system,
with a new.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Coach, your job is to want to be liked.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, and you know how You're like, I try and
make everybody happy, and sometimes in making everybody happy, he
was passing up wide open shots to try and make
sure somebody had a chance to eat. So the turnovers. Initially,
I understand we need grasp the concept of overturning the
ball over initially because you're trying to make everybody happy.
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But as you get your sea legs under you, as
your role becomes a little more defined, now you can understand, Okay,
everybody's good with me being more offensively aggressive. Everybody's good
if occasionally I have a twenty five point game or
a twenty point game, and I know that if I'm
offensively aggressive to score, that makes the game more stress.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Free around everybody else.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
So it's for me, it was more about the ability
to adjust on the fly, and problem solved as the
games as he got games under his belt. And for me,
that's the difference in the turnovers initially, in the turnovers
lack of turnovers as the season continued.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Last thing for me on Dejonte, obviously, now he's going
through rehabilitation from an injury. I don't think you ever
had this kind of injury in your career, right, you know,
whether it's conversations that you've had with him or or
just kind of going forward. I mean, how would you say,
what's the way that you approach next season?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
If you're him? Is it just you just got to
be patient?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
You know what, Jim, this is one of those questions
where I'm not knowledge to answer. And because I've never
been in this position, I've never had an injury that
was a eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve month rehab process.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
You know, I tore my meniscus.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
I was on the bike the next morning, you know,
so I wouldn't feel comfortable telling Desonte how to approach
something that I've never dealt with myself.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Sure, you know what I mean? I know.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
So for athletes, the tough part is the mental piece.
The physical part.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Your body will recover, It's given your body will recover.
God made our bodies to be injured, but he also
made them to recover. The recovery part physically, I feel
like it is the easy problem is the easy part.
The mental recovery is the difficult part. And now I
can speak to this experience of tearing the ligament in
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my finger, of tearing my meniscus and understanding the mental
hurdles that you have to get over to run through
that tape. It's not easy because you may have done
something your entire life, but doing it now and realizing
that am I strong enough to do the things that
I once did before? Where you're constantly questioning it? And
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that's what physical therapy is for.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
It's the tough part for me.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And I'll continue to keep in contact with him throughout
this process, just to check on his spirits, see how
he's doing, because it's very easy during this time to
be out a site, out of mind where somebody's no
longer playing, so you kind of forget about them.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And let's move on to the next best thing.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And guys still want to feel like they're a part
of something, even if physically not. They still want to
feel like they're appreciated, like they're mist like they're wanted,
like they're needed.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
It's interesting you said that because I go back to
how are you just talking about it right now? Right
after the injury. I want to say, within the week,
right we saw him at the facility out there, and
maybe that helps because that's all he knows how to
do right how to get back to work rehab and
to your point, whether that doesn't mean running up and
down the court obviously, but it's being around the team
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and you just spoke to the mental aspect of it's
still going through the daily process of being there with
the teammates being there. So I guess that he's showing
us how his rehab is going to go right. He's
just gonna do what he's always done.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
It's tough because the initial rehab, like you're a part
from your team once you're.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Accustomed to this time is leaning on.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Your New Orleans Pelicans family for support, and when you're
apart from your team, you know, it's tough.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
It's tough because when.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You're isolated, that's a great opportunity for the enemy to
attack your thoughts. You know, a man, I'm never going
to be the same. I'm never going to get back
to who I once was. You know, gosh, I won't
be able to play until fill.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
In the blank. And when you're surrounded with your teammates,
which you're surrounded with your.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Family, it gives you a different mental outlook, a different
mental perspective.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
And that's why I feel like it's so important.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
And I love when guys rehab around the team as
opposed to rehabbing away kind of by themselves, because when
you're away and you're by yourself and you're isolated, I
feel like you're easier to attack mentally, but you're when
you're around the guys and they're jokes and everybody's laughing,
and it's that family feel. I feel like it's hell
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for an athlete and somewhat easier for him to get back.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
To being the best version of himself.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
My only thing I got left here. We wrap up
Antonio Daniels as we talked about the Jontay Murray that
that that season that he just had of learning on
the fly right, learning his teammates, learning the city, learning
that what's continued right this week we have Joe Dumars
being introduced as a new head of basketball here for
the Pelicans, and a guy like that, with the player
like that, I don't know how how could that relationship,
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you know, grow?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
It's always it's always different when you have someone that
that's been in your shoes, you know. And the thing
that Joe Dumars can relate to is what goes on
in between those four lines. And I'm not saying that
with David Griffin whatsoever, not at all, So don't don't
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hear what I'm not saying, I'm just talking about the
relationship between possible relationship between Joe Dumars and and Deconte
Murray or any of the players in the locker room
for that matter. Joe Dumars was a high level guard
in the NBA for a long time, for a long time,
and when you're a high level guard in this league
for a long time, sometimes you can you can see
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certain things. You can see certain things because you have
a trained eye and certain aspects of the game. So
it'll be interesting to see the relationship not just with
with Joe Dumars and Dejohntay Murray, but with Joe Dumars
and the entire Pelicans roster because of his history of
being in between those four lines, they're more relatable.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I'm sure there'll be some interesting conversations too about
the bad boy days and because he loves to play
that tough defense like that too, So that's why I'm
kind of interested to see how that goes. Antonio Daniels,
thank you for so much for your time. Our thanks
to Antonio Daniels. Uh Jim always fun when we get
a chance to just you know, hear him break it
down from that perspective, plus that having that relationship with
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him also helps to because he understands what they went
And the one thing that really start out to me
in that conversation was the mental aspect to it, which
is why I brought up to him seeing him so
quickly right after the surgery for the achilles in you know,
the weight area, the weight room, and obviously can't run
and all that, but he's doing other things to be
around the team, to still be a leader, to still
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be vocal, to still be present, I think does help mentally.
It's right now, you know, when there's no one sort
of around to get that. That's such a tough injury
because one thing, if you you know this happened to
you like it does for me. Middle of the night,
you stop your toe and it feels like you're never
going to feel it. You're feeling in your foot again. Right,
You're like, I can't even get to the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
It hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I can't imagine an injury. As Ad said that takes nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
I mean that's a lot happens.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, in that time.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I like the way that Antonio broke down kind of
the mental explaining the mental aspect of a lot of
different things in our chat with him, I mean, you
can you can kind of picture how difficult it's gonna
be to go through that, Like you said, that long
of a process. But I also thought it was really
interesting when he talked about, you know, the confidence and
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he's going to talk about this in the Jose Alvarado
one as well on Monday, about Jose's confidence in terms
of understanding and making the realization that I am a
starting caliber quality player. And for Dejonte, it was really
more of what Antonio discussed in terms of the confidence
to be like, Okay, I don't have to just distribute tonight.
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They need me to score as well, and so but
it is it is kind of fascinating to think about
that the point guard position is so much of a
mental game. It's so much of a of a that
that part is important that you for you to to
figure out. I mean, the physical part of it is
is crucial as well, and there's so many really good
point guards in the NBA and so many quick guys
that you need to have the physical ability as well.
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But maybe the mental game is such a crucial aspect
of of that job.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
There's no doubt about it for sure. One of the
things we want to get into here as well, because
obviously being in the Western Conference, we focus on that.
I've been watching the games, you know, I do it.
So I love the first round, I really do. Because
every single live basket there's at least two games, right,
and there's three on some nights like earlier this week.
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And what I love about it is I'm working, Hunt,
Are you still watching basketball pelicies? I'm working, just grinding.
I'm grinding the tape, watching the film, And this is important.
These are things that you can't you have to be
able to observe. Yeah, I'm starting to accept that a
game can get close and the game can get away
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from teams, as we've seen the last year or so. Jim,
I think because a three point shot, right, there's a
couple of series already in some teams when they make
twenty threes, they win. When the threes don't go in,
you tend to have those things. But am I wrong
in thinking the way in East playoff games look different?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
No, I think you're right, and I think it's something
that a lot of people have commented on already of like,
it feels like I mean, I heard people say the
first few days of the playoffs that the playoffs seem
like a different sport than the regular season. And then
there's been other commentary lately where it's like the West
is a different sport than the East. You're just seeing
so much more close competition. And I mean, for example,
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in the East, you know, going into the weekend, the
New York Detroit series is the only series that's not
too oh among those four series. Where's in the West,
I mean, Houston, Golden State, Lakers, Wolves, Nuggets, Clippers have
all been extremely competitive and at least in terms of
you know, it's both teams have won a game. I
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think a lot of that, though, you can chalk up
to the depth of the West is so much better,
so you know, it gets kind of thin in the
East after you get through the first five or six teams.
I mean, so I think because of that, you're having
a lot more first round series where the one versus
eight people are expecting to be a huge route and
no competition, and two versus seven the same thing. I mean,
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for example, if you think about it this way, the
seventh seed in the West is Golden State, which is
a team that people think has a chance to compete
for a championship maybe if everything breaks right. The seventh
seed in the East is Orlando, which I mean no
disrespect to the Magic, but a lot of people were like,
they don't even seem like a playoff team the way
that they kind of limped into the postseason. So I mean,
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that's a drastic difference between seven seed in the East
and seventh seed in the West. You know, I wanted
to kind of look this up and go back through
some of the numbers as well to figure out, like
we all of the evidence tells us that the West
is a lot better than the East again this year.
But I looked up on Basketball Reference, which is a
great site to look up stats. So in the twenty
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six seasons since the nineteen ninety nine two thousand campaign,
so basically this century, the East has won the season
series against the West three times, So you're talking twenty
three of the last twenty six seasons. If you take
all the games that were played between the East and
the West against each other, the West has won that
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series all but three of them. This season, the West
was two hundred and forty nine and two hundred and three,
which is a fifty five percent winning percentage. I mean,
there's been a lot of years where it's been similar
to that, where it's like not even close that the
West is so much better than the East. They're actually Surprisingly,
there was a couple of years, a couple seasons of
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this decade where the East had a slightly better record
than the West, and so that represents two of the
three times of the last twenty six years that the
East has actually been better than the West. But I
mean the entire time I've been here, people have said,
you know, for example, maybe they should realign the conferences
because it's imbalanced and it would maybe create a better
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postseason of better playoffs if instead of having it separated
the way it is now. And I in my mind,
I've always been like, yeah, but you know what, it's
gonna It's gonna these things go in cycles. Now, eventually
it's going to go back to where So it's like,
you really want to change the format and then have
it go back to where now you're you know, you're
you're at a disadvantage because you change the format and
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you're not benefiting from like okay, say five years from now,
the East is better than the West. But when is
that cycle gonna happen? It's like I can see a
lot of people being like, it's just been unbelievable. How
almost the end I mean of the This is my
twentieth season. Eighteen of those twenty seasons, the West has
been better than the East if you look at it
from an objective wins and losses standpoint. So just something
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to think about in terms of the Pelicans, and also
obviously just adds to the challenge of I think it's
a lot easier.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
We see this with Detroit.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
It's a lot easier to go from the bottom of
the East to now you're a top six team than
it is in the West. I mean, it's just there's
just a lot more upward mobility in the East because
there's just not as much depth as there is in
the West.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Right now, I just for you know, bleeps and giggles
here as we close out out. This is an interesting
conversation because I've seen this floated around too. Right, you
take the top sixteen teams, it's kind of what we
talk about, record wise, how do you think that would
look because it's Oklahoma, Cleveland, Boston, Houston, Knicks, that's your
top five Okay, Okay, Lakers, Nuggets, Pacers, Clippers, Wolves, the
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next five, Warriors, Grizzlies, Bucks, Pistons, Magic, Hawks. That would
be your playoffs.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Think it would still I think you'd see I mean,
there's there's so many pluses and minuses to that. I mean,
I think you'd see even more one sided first round
series because you'd see the very best team in the
league playing against the very worst playoff team. So like, Okay,
se would be playing the sixteenth best record right now,
so as much damage as they did against Memphis in
the first couple of games that series, that would probably
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be even uglier. So but I do think, you know,
from a practical standpoint, I do think that the problem
is is I think you'd have to reshape the entire
first round format. I think you'd have to go to
two three two series instead of two two one one
one in terms of the site of the games because
of travel, because you'd end up with a Portland versus Miami.
Some years you couldn't do. You couldn't do the the
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way that the schedule is now, you couldn't do that.
If you're talking from teams that have to travel three
time zones. They I mean, you'd have to set it
up the way that they had the finals for a
long time, where it was, you know, two games for
a home team and then the next three you might
even get to game six, so you might have to travel,
you know, multiple times. But but yeah, I think that's
part of it too. And I think also too, if
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you change the format, it's like there's almost no point
of having conferences. So I don't know necessarily if that's
a good idea either.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
And that's something you've brought up there. You you want
to make the divisions I want to make.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, I want to make there be more things to
to play for and more things that motivate a team
to Okay, we have to win tonight because we have
to win the division, or we have to win the
conferences that we have to improve our seating. I do
think that the play in has has helped a lot
in this area, because as in the recent past, previous decade,
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if you were the sixth seed or the seventh seed,
it was just like, yeah, whatever, you might be better.
You might be better off playing be in the seventh
seed if you thought the matchup against the two was
better than the three, so it was pretty irrelevant in
terms of six to seven. Now, it's like we saw
that Clippers Warriors game in the last day of the
regular season where it was felt like the NBA Finals
where they were both trying to make sure that they
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didn't end them in the So I think that's helped
a lot. But I do think that going away from
like eliminating some of the lines that create whether it's
rivalries or reasons why you need to win that game,
that's the part that would be a little bit concerning
to me to going to a format where it's just
you just throw the top sixteen teams into the same
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bucket and go from there.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, be fun. Look, can we just agree on this
at the very least, can we just get in the
east just the Mississippi River. It is a clear easy
line of to the left is the West, to the
right is the East.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
You know, you might they might get that chance if
when they expand. I mean, there's been so much discussion
in the last year or so about expansion, but we
still don't really have a definitive timeline for when it's
gonna happen. But it seems like when they expand most
likely they're going to add two teams that are going
to come into the West the West, so you're gonna
need to move one West team into the East. So
maybe that'll be New Orleans. I think Minnesota will have
(35:22):
a very strong argument because they have so many teams
close to them geographically that are in the East, and
they have hardly anybody in the West. Makes sense, so
they probably from a fairness standpoint, I think they'll be
the ones that make the biggest argument. But hey, New
Orleans was in the East the first three seasons or
two seasons that they were in the city here, so
you know, you could sell the league on the idea
(35:42):
of we want to go back to our roots of
an Eastern Conference team.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'm just selfishly in love with the six thirty tip times.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
The six o'clocks are nice. Those are so nice, nice
and easy as opposed to the that's true too. Welcome
to Pelicans, warm up, it's nine.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Pm coming up in the I think the fans would
appreciate that a lot as well, because you would still
play West Coast games, but you could you could basically
cut them in half. If you might have ten games
that start after nine pm. Now you might only have
like four or five in future season.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You're a lot more knowledgeable than this just ten seconds. Seattle, Vegas,
who are the Yeah, any cities that would be an
east like they go back to, well, Vancouver's west there
as well.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Right, No, it seems like those are the two teams
that really there's two cities that everyone talks about the most.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I mean, no Kansas City would like a team, right,
but that's in the middle.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Seattle seems like a no brainer because they have so
many things in their favor there. They had a historic
franchise that was there a long time, they're the biggest market,
TV market population everything that does not have an NBA franchise.
And then with Vegas, obviously there's they've added, you know,
they're adding other pro sports pretty much every sport football
(36:49):
in there, baseball, hockey, hockey, So it seems like they're
kind of a I don't want to say no brainer,
but it just seems like that's the where the momentum
is going. I don't I haven't followed it that closely,
but just generally speaking, it seems like those are the
two teams that would be the likely picks.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
For that I know, it's not political season. That was
last year. But if you want Commissioner Jim Ikenhoffer, I'm
voting for you.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I think you're very sensical, and more importantly, you can
get us to that six six thirty tip times A
vote for Jim as a vote for me.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
We need a ground swell. I would be happy with
the compensation package as well and that job.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So I just want the free every now and then.
Just send me up to New York, you know, for
a little meet and greet there you go, that'd be great. Hey,
if you want to hear any more or get more
information from Jim, go to Pelicans dot com. Each and
every one of our player profiles is on there, and
it's an accompaniment to obviously what you hear here on
the podcast. So in case you missed it, it's fourteen
total players or Gus tell me all no, why don't
(37:44):
you go check them out? They're all on there, So
if you missed any from earlier this week, they'll be
on there. You can check out the ones next week
as well, and they're there for attorney all summer if
you want to go back and read it.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Thanks for the plug, Gus yes Man, you do a
lot of good work.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Monday, we'll be talking about JOSEL Varado with Antonio Daniels,
and we'll be giving you kind of the rundown of
what to expect next week in terms of the five
players that will be in the season reviews and the podcasts,
and it's funny this this, uh, this podcast series and
written pieces as well. It's gonna lead us almost all
the way up into the lottery. So I mean, we're
(38:21):
gonna have stuff every day, every weekday for the next
several weeks.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
We will.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
There will not be a weekday that we don't have
something posted leading up to the lottery on May twelve.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
You say we're gonna come back, you know, josees on Monday.
Two mondays from Jose's the draft lottery right twelve. Yeah,
it's coming up quick this Monday, coming up to twenty eighth,
then Sinko de Mayo and then the NBA Draft Lottery.
Thank you, Jim as always, Thanks guys, Hey Moe Portantly,
thank you for tuning us in as who's been as
you've been listening to the New Orleans Pelicans podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Thanks for listening to the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast. Join
us three times per week on pelicans dot com, the
Pelicans Mobile app, the iHeart Radio app, or where you
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(39:14):
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