May 1, 2025 • 32 mins
Pelicans TV Studio Host/Reporter Erin Summers joins Jim Eichenhofer and Gus Kattengell on the New Orleans Pelicans Podcast to recap Jordan Hawkins' 2024-25 NBA season.
“He had a chance to play more minutes, and when he’s had those opportunities, we’ve always seen him break out and have huge games. His rookie season, he scored 34 points and drove the Pelicans to a win over Dallas. You thought, ‘Dang, he can be really good.’ We expected that from ‘Hawk,’ and he expected it from himself. But he couldn’t ever get into a real rhythm this season, because he was in and out (of the lineup due to injury).” – Pelicans TV studio host Erin Summers on Hawkins producing big offensive nights early in his NBA career
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello, we want to welcome once again to the New
Orleans Pelicans Podcast, official podcast of your New Orleans Pelicans.
Gus Cattin, Gill, Jamaike and Offer Repelicans dot Com once
again with you as we continue our host season, end
of the season, end of the regular season player profiles
than the starters who've done the reserves, and it's time
to talk about a player Jamaike can Offer, who was
drafted in the first round by the Peals a couple
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of years ago, has had to deal with some injuries.
Yet we see some of the reasons why this organization
views him so highly, why he's a special player. He's
won a national championship and he very easily is a
building piece, right, I would I would consider and think
he can look at him. I'm curious, how do you
feel about Jordan Hawkins Season two?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing that stands out, unfortunately,
is just his drop in efficiency. That he shot only
thirty three percent from three point range, which that's kind
of what you envisioned to be his forte his biggest strength.
So I think, you know, we're going to talk about
this a lot with Aaron Summers, just how much of
a factor the injuries were. But I think that's the
biggest thing going forward, is that he has to raise
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up his level of efficiency in the shooting categories just
from the field too. He shot thirty seven percent, which
is a little bit below thirty eight percent as a rookie.
His free throw shooting is great, so that doesn't have
to worry about that, but the other parts of the
game from the field in three point range are things
that he's going to have to improve. It was interesting
I looked at how he compares a against other first
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round picks from twenty twenty three. So the draft two
years ago, Jordan Hawkins was the fourteenth overall pick, so
I thought it would be interesting to look at, you know,
where does he rank among those thirty players that were
drafted the same round as he was. And I mean
some of this was a little bit surprising. For example,
this past season, he was tenth in scoring average among
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first round picks from that year at ten point eight
per game, so I mean above where he was picked
at fourteenth, he's sixth and three pointers made per game
at two point zero. Maybe the most interesting one too,
that was if you think about it in you factor everything,
and this might be the most disappointing part about it
is he was fifteenth in total minutes played at thirteen
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hundred and twenty. I mean, you think about it, if
he had been healthier to a much greater degree, he
would have been so much higher in that. So he
was really middle of the pack among first rounders from
two years ago in how much he got to play
this season, But that number would have been so much
higher if he hadn't had to deal with the back injuries.
And last thing is too statwise, one of the things
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I looked at so over the if you look at
all of the three pointer shot in the league this season,
the league average is thirty six percent from the field.
So if you are from three point range, so if
you shoot thirty six percent, you are literally an average
three point shooter in the NBA. This season, he shot
thirty three percent, as I mentioned earlier, which he's going
to have to improve. But from round one in twenty
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twenty three when he was drafted, there's actually only five
players out of those thirty that shot at least thirty
six percent. So I mean just kind of goes to
show you that inefficiency from younger players and especially guards
is actually pretty common. There's a lot of guys who struggle,
especially as rookies, then they make a jump in their
second year or their third year, and I think that's
really what we're looking forward to seeing from Jordan Hawkins
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in year three is that he brings up a bunch
of those numbers to a level where you say, we
know this guy is a really good shooter, and now
he's proving it repeatedly on the court.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
No doubt Aaron Summers team and sideline reporter will give
us her thoughts onto season two. I think one are
the things too, is he always looked during the summer
for that next step, right and going into season two
last summer helping on the defensive side. When I close
my eyes and I think of a few games that
he played this year, but he did.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
He I love he plays.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Above the rim. He saw some dunks, right, We saw
some aggress in this by him. We saw him get
some steals, and really, I thought, improve on the defensive it.
I know, it's a small simple would you say he
improved a little bit on the defensive end, Yeah, he
definitely did.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I think he was more of a playmaker on the
defensive end in terms of you know, you mentioned the steels,
but also the blocks we've seen him. I think in
his rookie year, we saw him show his athleticism on
offense to a level that we recognized, Okay, this guy's
a really good athlete. He's not just a spot up shooter.
But I think we saw on his second year on
the defensive end, we saw that come to the court
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a lot more frequently than it did his first year.
But I think in terms of his offseason, he's got
to get stronger. He gets he does get pushed sometimes,
like he's trying to hold his ground defensively, he's trying
to stop a ball handler and the guy puts a
shoulder into him and knocks him back a couple feet.
So I think, you know, something that Jordan has acknowledged,
you know before, and something that hopefully with a healthier
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off season two, he'll be able to really get in
the weight room and add some muscle and add some
pounds to his frame so that he can be a
little bit sturdier on the defensive end.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
All right, let's hear what Aaron has to say Season
two of Jordan Hawkins. Our player profile continues now with him.
All right, welcome back to New Orangs Pelicans Podcast, the
official podcast of your New Orleans Pelicans, will continue our
player profiles. Aaron Summer's still with us here as we
go over a player by the name of mister Jordan Hawkins.
I feel like I've used this reference several times. It's
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one of the benefits we get to do when we
go to Summer League and look at these players and
what they're able to do. And Jimmy, you were with
us as well, and Jordan Hawkins was a storyline going
into Game one of Summer League. Do you guys remember
what y'all storylines were? When the broadcast, I did the
absolutely difficult part of going, hello, guys, how are you doing, Aaron?
What do we want from.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
From Jordane Hawkins?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That's that's my role. I just tossed it to y'all
you remember what you were thinking storyline wise with Jordan
in the summer.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, going into Jordan Hawkins' second year, so post rookie season,
finally getting a summer to work on his game, because
out of the draft it is a whirlwind for these players.
And he hey won a national championship, so he played
as long as you could in college and didn't get
much of a break. So you wanted to see the
growth from him from year one to year two be
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pretty big. You know, his ability on the defensive end.
You wanted to see him put the ball on the floor,
drive to the basket, find another way to score and
be effective when he's not just scoring off of screens
and on the fly, shooting pull ups and everything like
that from outside. And we did see him in summer
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league try those things out. He was more aggressive. He
definitely was attacking the basket, and that was I think
we were impressed, like, Okay, clearly he's trying to take
us forward in this regard. Unfortunately, didn't get to see
a lot of it throughout the season because he kept
dealing with his back injury.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Before we get into some of the specifics of his
season and obviously, you know, he played fifty six games,
so he missed a couple extended chunks of the season,
and it just seemed like he got interrupted a bunch
of times when it was he was getting a little
bit of momentum. But wanted to ask you about him
just off the court, in terms of just his personality.
How would you describe him in terms of his approach
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to the game and just the way he is kind
of off the court.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I wish people could see a little bit more of
his personality because he is a little reserved when you
talk to him in a media setting. He is quiet,
doesn't give up a lot, and I don't know if
he'll grow into it as he gets more comfortable in
the NBA. I think he's always been a quiet person
and player from what I gathered when he was in college.
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But off the court, he's funny. He's got a little
dry humor. You know, he's a love guy too, Like
he gives hugs. You know, he likes the people he
works around. And you see a little bit warmer side
doing my guess, like a different side to Hawk, And
so it's tough you don't get to see that in
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the media setting. On the court, you see somebody that's
just confident, aggressive, always ready to take this shot. This season, however,
I think you saw somebody that was dealing with a
lot of frustrations and at times people are like, well,
has he lost his confidence? Is he in his head?
And I don't think he's ever lost his confidence because
he will tell you I'm a shooter. I've always been
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a shooter. I'm going to shoot. I don't have to
worry about that part of my game. But when your
back's hurting every time you try to take a shot
or move, that is definitely going to affect your overall
shot and how you're feeling about your game on the court.
I don't worry about him bouncing back in that regard
once he gets healthy. But yeah, we got to get
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him to loosen up a little bit in kind of
the media.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think his personality in a different way reminds me
a little bit of Herb where people don't realize how
funny he is. Yeah, because I feel like there's a
bunch of times this season where Hawk would just do
like a quick one liner and it would make me laugh,
and it was one of those things where it was
under the radar like if you're with eight people, only
like two or three maybe notice that he was even joking,
So he kind of has that kind of you know, quiet,
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like you said, sense of humor and he'll throw some
funny stuff in there, but it's very subtle. In terms
of this season overall, I mean, one of the things
that has to stand out is I think that was
disappointing beyond the fact that he missed as many games
as he did. So if you think about it, there
were so many guys on this team that had the opportunity,
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an opportunity far greater than what we expected that they
were going to have going in the season. And if
you had told me, and I would have punched you
in the face, if you had told me that the
Pelicans would have as many injuries as they were going
to have, I would have said to you, Jordan Hawkins,
one of the silver linings is that he's going to
be able to capitalize that on that right and we're
going to get to see him. So I think that
was one of the things that was really frustrating is
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the fact that, I mean this for a second year guy,
you're probably on a team that is supposed to be competitive,
and supposed to be in the playoffs. You'll never probably
see a guy get a better chance on paper to
contribute than what he did. But unfortunately, the injuries prevented
him from really, you know, fully taking advantage of that.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And I think that weighed on him too, because he
saw an opportunity as I don't want to say like
players went down, but like that's kind of what happened.
You know, he had that chance to play more minutes,
and we've always seen him when he's had those opportunities
break out and have huge games. His rookie season, nobody
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played in a back to back. He scores thirty four points,
drives the Pelicans to a win over Dallas, and you're like, dang,
it can be really good. I think that's what he
saw on Antonio Reeves towards the end of the season.
His additional minutes, his him getting into his rhythm and
his ability to shoot not only from outside but get
inside as well. Is what we all expected from Hawk,
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and I think Hawk expected from himself. But he couldn't
ever get into a real rhythm this season because, as
you mentioned, he was in and out. He started the
first games of the season, then he sat a few games,
only played six more in November, six more in December,
so he was in and out of the lineup so
frequently that, yeah, he could never really get into a
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good rhythm.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's time for pelistats and all right. These two numbers
are very related to a lot of what you just
touched on. The first stat is eight, and that is
how many games this season that Jordan Hawkins scored twenty
plus points. Unfortunately, of the eight times that he had
twenty plus points, only two of those happened after February first,
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so obviously he did a bunch of that at the
beginning of the season as a rookie. He had five
games of twenty plus points, so eight in his second year,
five as a rookie. And then the second number is
he shot forty point six percent on threes in October
before he was sidelined November first. That was the first
game that he missed due to his back injury. October
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was the only month of the season that he made
at least thirty five percent of his three point attempts.
So he started incredibly well and then had the injury
and it seemed like, you know, he was never able
to get back to the way that he started the season.
So which of those two do you want to talk
about or both?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I will talk about both.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Okay, Gus.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You brought up the point that he had eight games
with twenty plus points or more, and if you actually
look at his stats across the board, most of them
are better than his rookie season. He scored more points,
he played more minutes, he had more rebounds, more assists,
so he did, regardless of the amount of time he
was able to play, still incrementally increase in all areas. Yes,
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the shooting percentage did go down.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I think that's definitely attributed to his back, but he
was effective. I would like to and this is a
complete like I'm going off script here, so yeah, detour,
thank you. I would like to point out the drastic
increase on the defensive side. He had thirty steals to
nineteen and twenty three blocks to seven his rookie year.
(13:24):
That is an area that he absolutely needed to get
better in and I think he definitely did. Can he
still improve, absolutely, but we saw him stay in front
of players a lot better than he did his first season,
affect shots at the rim, and obviously look for steals
and he got out into a lot of fast break situations.
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So he was more aggressive on the defensive end than
he was his rookie season. So I think that is
something that we can kind of circle as at least
a benefit of the season for him to work on
that side of his game.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I like where he went there with the blocks because
it was something I didn't look at a ton of
his defensive stats. But when you think about he did
play more minutes total this season, but it wasn't that
much more than he played as a rookie. I think
it was like thirteen hundred this season, about eleven hundred
as a rookie. So for him to go from seven
blocks to twenty three is a pretty significant jump, and
it just anecdotally if you remember back to the season,
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he had so many more of those athletic blocks where
he came from the weak side and blocked somebody, or
he had like I think he had a couple chase
downs where it was a fast break and he swatted
somebody from behind. And I think one of the things
that I keep thinking about as I watch him play,
too is on the offensive end, you think of him
as a spot up shooter, that he scores in a
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lot of the ways that you listed at the beginning,
where he's coming off of screens, he's in the corner,
the ball gets swung to him, his feet are set.
But he has so much more athleticism than you realize, ye,
and it comes out sometimes on the offensive end where
he'll drive in the basket and throw it down on somebody.
But it feels like, you know, going forward to next
season in the future, that that would you agree that
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that's one of the things that he's going to focus
on or that we want to see more from him,
is just to bring that athleticism out, because it's clear
that he has it. It's just a matter of bringing
it to the court on a more consistent basis, which
he definitely did to at least some extent this season.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I think it all starts with his health, and that's
what he said. He said it's going to come down
to getting the rest that he needs to get to
a completely healthy spot, and then the strides that he
made defensively using his athleticism there, putting a little weight
on so he can help when he is trying to
get to the basket, driving through contact, being more confident
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in being aggressive and going up for stuff because yeah,
I mean, he isn't the biggest guy. It's something that
Brandon Ingram always had to work on and could had
to specifically change his off season training for because he
doesn't carry weight that way. Trey Murphy also made a
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point of doing the same thing. So I think that
will help him just be more confident in using his
athleticism and knowing that if he falls, he's gonna be okay.
Like deal with the back injury and falling a bunch
or running into people probably isn't something he was like
charging out there to do every night. If you know
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he's trying to stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
You know, you just reminded me. You know, we're having
Wes Johnson on for some of these and we talked
to him about a little bit about his player development.
I think I found something that I can work on
and focus on to help in the player development. We're
gonna have sessions with Jordan Hawkins. We take him over
to the cafeteria and we show him how to put
weight on, how to add that the waistline pasta bar.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
No doubt, And believe me, I'm not saying that I'm
the person to help him, you know, with the back
and all that. But a couple of years ago I
kind of had a little narrowing of the back thing,
you know whatever, long story, shortly strengthen your core. But
to your point, there are a lot of different things.
And you're right when you're back doesn't feel well. And
you know, just in even more Layman's terms, like when
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you do gardening because it's springtime. You know, when you
read your to garden and you know, you cut the grass,
and that next morning you're sore, you're grumpy. I mean,
it doesn't make you feel good, you know. And and
so to your point, I think a lot of that's
going to be interesting this year or this offseason to
prep that for a long NBA season. There's a lot
of riggers on that. It's a lot of jumping and stuff.
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Love the stat that you guys brought up with the
blocks that was fantastic erin because that tells you, I
can't block the shot if I'm not in front of you,
I'm not close to you, I'm not following you, I'm
doing it.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
They're not understanding what you need to be doing on
the defensive end, which was then behind the play a lot,
and yeah, definitely pick that up for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The other element of it, to your point too, that
when I close my eyes, I saw a lot of dunks,
alley oops this year, playing above the rims. And you
know he said it before, he's a hooper. He wants
to do all those things. And when I think of
Jordane Hawkins, he's a guy that's capable of making all
the shots baseline, jumper, elbow. We know he can shoot
the three. He loves to drop to the basket and dunk.
You had the blocks, So that's the makings of an
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all around game. It's just you know, understanding your body,
what you need, got to be available, and in taking
that next step of what we talked about so far
in a lot of these podcasts, it's going to be
a competitive training camp eron and I think it's gonna
be very interesting to see how he attacks day one
of training camp on a team that's gonna have a
lot of people looking for those minutes.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah, I know, Jim, you were there when he spoke
at the end of the season and I asked him,
you know, how the season was for him and what
it was going to look like going forward health wise,
and where he was at after year two, and he said,
big summer. I'm going to have a big summer going
into year three, and like he seems whatever happened this
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past year, how frustrating it was not going to hang
on it. He is going to get to work in
this offseason because he didn't want to go through another
season like he did this last year, even as rookie season.
I'm sure I was frustrated he didn't play as much
as he thought he was going to be. And you know,
you never know how long your career is going to be.
So it sounds like he's ready to get after it
and attack your three big time.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah. I mean it's a crucial year. I mean he's
coming up on the third year he was a lottery pick.
Granted it was fourteenth, It wasn't like he was in
the top two or three guys where you have tons
of hype and tons of expectations heaped upon you, But
I mean, yeah, it's he's definitely going to be one
of those players that I think, among many of the
younger players on this team that we're going to keep
an eye on in terms of what kind of progress
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he can make next season.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Aaron Summer's team in Silent Reporter. Thank you so much
for your time.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Absolutely, and see.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
What takes place there in the offseason for Joe and Hawkins.
I know he will definitely be a player, and I
don't think he can go back to Summer League, right,
I think it's two years.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
There aren't really official rules, it's generally accepted.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
That is that the guys that want to see a
summer league say this against out a play already think
this team wants to see in summer league.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's a good question. I'm not really sure. I mean,
it's hard to say at this point. I think with
the back in all that, maybe you don't want to.
And I don't know how much more he can really
gain the drum it to we're playing that level of competition.
I mean, they tried him last Summer League playing more
point guard. I don't think it really went that well,
and it was also something that's probably not going to
carry over that much to the real NBA season. So
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so yeah, I probably lean towards he won't be playing
in Summer League, but we'll see see.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
What takes place for sure. One of the things I
do want to get your opinion on because the playoffs continue.
Some teams, however, their seasons have come to an end.
What in particular the Milwaukee Bucks lots of attention and
news coming from the end of that series. Not only
did the Pacers win that series and move on, but
it was the end of the game that allowed Indiana
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to go into the next round that everyone's talking about.
And it's not, unfortunately, the stop that allowed Indiana to
win the game or.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
The game winning basket that that Tyrese Haliburton got exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So what is that we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I mean, we talked about a couple episodes ago, we
talked about how, you know, the Buck's future is tied
a little bit to the Pelicans in terms of the
Pelicans have control of their draft picks. They have swap
rights in twenty twenty six. But we're not gonna talk
about that again this time. I mean, basically, what happened
on Tuesday night after Game five, Pacers pull off a
miracle comeback. They come back from seven down in the
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last forty seconds, which apparently hasn't happened in like one thousand,
five hundred instances something like that where a team has
overcome being down seven or more with forty seconds left
in the game, but Tyre's Haliburton's father, John Haliburton, got
out onto the court. He kind of got in Gianni's
Antentakoopo's face. He waved, I think there was a towel
or something that had tyres it was face on it
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or something. He got in his face. According to Giannisike
started cursing at him and saying, this is what we
bleep and do, and this is how we do it
in Indiana, and this is the bleep that we know
we're all about. And so I was just it was
unfortunate and we should say too before we discussed this that.
To his credit, John Halburton did apologize. He put out
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a tweet, I guess immediately after the game pretty much
saying like, I apologize to the Pacers organization, I apologize
to the Bucks, I apologize to Yannis because what I
did was wrong, and I think Tyrese Haliburton immediately also said, like,
what my dad did. I think he used the word
pops to describe his father. He said multiple times what
he was out of line and that it's something that's
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unacceptable and I'm gonna talk to him and tell him like,
don't do this again, but it was. I thought it
was interesting too. It sparked some discussion about kind of
the role of families members in the NBA, family members
of players in the NBA. It does seem to me
that it's getting a little bit more to the point
where you're seeing people show up all the time and
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be prominent and be in front of the TV cameras.
And it's like, to me, if you want to, I mean,
there's someeveral. I'll give you one example, Karl Anthony Towns's father,
from what I've seen, he'll baseline, he's not trying to
get in the camera, he's not trying to talk to
the reporters all the time. That's fine if you want
to do that, but I just feel like we're getting
these in these situations where, for example, Kenny Smith on
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TNT after the Pacers Bucks incident said come see the show,
don't be the show. And I think that was a
good way to put it. As far as just family members.
I don't know if this is the job of the
NBA organizations, the coaches, you and me, gus, but I
feel like the word needs to be it needs to
be expressed to them that it's important to not interject
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yourself into things because the main reason being is I
don't think anything good can come from that. You might
get people to know who you are, you might get
whatever recognition, but for the most part, it never reflects
well on the player. And I'll give you I'll give
you an example from here from I think this is
about ten years ago when Austin Reeves played here. He
was in a situation where he was playing behind Jim
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or Ferdette. Not for an entire season, not even maybe
for a month, there was a brief period of time
where in the rotation Jimmer Ferdett was playing more than him,
or you know, he was ahead of him on the
depth chart. And Austin Rivers's brother tweeted, basically, I can't
believe Jimmer Fredett is playing. My brother is better than
him in every he said. Actually, i'll quote this. He said,
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can't believe the Pelicans continue to play for debt over
my brother. Yet my brother is better than him in
every category. And oh, Austin plays defense too. And I
remember it was one of those things where it's like,
I think people were talking about this after a game
because somebody saw it and you're talking about it on
the bus and it's or the plane after the game,
and it's like, you can't do stuff like that. It's
(24:43):
just you gotta as frustrated as you might be, or
whatever the situation is, you might want to talk trash
the way Helliberton's father did. It's like you got to
have your some tough control and be like, how does
this affect The most important person in endy of the
situation is the player? How does it this affect them?
You gotta think that way before you do anything.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I think the thing too that I guess really stands
out because again, you know, saw the replay several times,
and I mean Giannie's forehead and his dad's forehead are
touching mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Right, how does he get how does he get on?
Why is he not being separate? Right?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Because my thing is this, right, and it's unfortunate. And
maybe I think about this a little bit more because
I have a small kid, right, and we all know
what's happening in schools and arenas, and you just don't
know today, Jim. I mean, I hate saying that, but
you know, when the Super Bowl is here, we went
through extra security, right, because you just don't know. And
(25:39):
if you're if you're taking to the court, follow my
logic here. If you're taking to the court, you're probably
already not thinking logically, right, You're probably not thinking clearly.
Are you inebriated?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Are you on something?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Because normally we would all agree he probably isn't gonna
go on the court. So for whatever reason, it's either
an emotional state that's aroused, or you know, he's had
a few, there's something that he feels, probably unordinarily, the
need to go and do something. Sure, and once there's
(26:11):
words exchanged, I don't know, man, what I mean. I
would think that he wouldn't do something, But I don't
know that, you know, Claire, I don't know that. As
a security guy, how do I know he doesn't have
something in his hand?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know, I don't know, Jim.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I just I think that that to me is the
biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
What somebody like that is doing and what they're capable of, right,
and and that's my biggest you know, I think also
to that same point, if you're a father of one
of the players, if you're Tyrese Halliburn's father, or a
father of any of the other Pacers.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You wouldn't want some random guy walking out on the court,
so why would you do it yourself? You would be
you would be furious if if, say a Milwaukee Bucks
fan or a father of a Milwaukee Bucks player ran
out on the court and got in the face of
a Pacers player, you would probably be like, what the
hell is this guy doing? So why would you do
it yourself? It's just it's baffling from that outside looking
in flag whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's the apology? Fine, right, maybe you get a fine
or something that the fact that your foreheads touched though
you touch the player. Yeah, and this wasn't like in
the tunnel.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
This wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
On the Jannis stood at the free throw line in
despair as the game, the season just ended too. Confetti's buying,
everyone's going to the field, and here comes is and
it and.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
He puts his head on him. Yeah, I don't get
it so wild to me, you know, if there's anything
good that can come out of it, though, I think
I suggest people watch the two or three minute interview
where Yannis addressed the specific thing and just I mean,
he just continues to impress me with how respectful he was.
That was actually a big element of his have his
(27:48):
talk to the media was just how important he thinks
it is to just be respectful and how he doesn't
understand the mentality of you know, you win a game,
and you immediately the first thing is not to go
up to your son and hug him. You're it's and
say like, hey, good job, man, you make me so proud.
The first thing you do is go up to a
guy on the opposing team and start cursing at him.
It's just it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And not to say that you would do this for anybody, right,
but you know, this is an instance where like one
of the players we talked about her this week already,
Draymond Green, who's had a history of you know, maybe
you know, cutting your your son underneath. I can't think
of anything that Giannis has ever really done right too
long on free throw.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, of all the guys, champions, of all the guys,
you would attack, Like That's what I'm getting at, Like
this isn't you know, one of those things where.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
This guy's a dirty player, or you know, he makes
a bucket in the first quarter, eleven minutes remaining in
the first and he's you know, crots chopping or something
to you know what I'm saying, right throwing.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
The bird to the arena.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's now three nothing and so and
he's giving the arena the bird. It's just it's it's
interesting to see how Adam Silver in the NBA will
re act to this.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And we'll close it this.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Do you think they have to do something?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I mean, can you find parents of players? I don't
really know. I don't think there's really any precedent for that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I mean, well, the NFL find the Falcons defensive coordinator
for information they got out for some use phone number.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I just saw that. So basically they
could find they could find Tyrese Haliburton basically or sanction
him somehow, or they could at least say life got fined.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think the organization got fined as well.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I think without knowing a lot of the details too,
that I'm sure the NBA is going through right now,
even saying like hey, John Halburton, you're gonna have to
the next home game that the Pacers have. You're gonna
have to stay home for this one, just to send
the message that you can't be walking out on the
court and even if you know that seems like a
light punishment in comparison to what he did and what
(29:47):
could have happened, it's still at least something. So I
don't know that would be my guess of what they
Maybe they could rule that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm doing my best to not make this an entire podcast,
but but I think we actually could we do a
whole series players A Graph would leave the broadcast boost
for broadcast booth four to give words to seven player.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, well, maybe we can ask them about that.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We have them, We have.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Them on top five to I think based off this season,
would say Pajenski, right, because he still blames him for
hurting herb Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, I think Rudy.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Gobert is always going to be on there, right, always
going to be on there.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Who would be a thirdy thing? I don't know. You
know so many Police Killer. We do still have two
player reviews with Graph coming up, so maybe it will
be maybe that can be the either the the third segment,
or it can be the director's cut at the end
of the like that you've.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Been doing pelistats right with our guest here as well,
Maybe he'll be a pelistat with player anyway. Yeah, the
point is we're making a little light out of it,
but it is just so out of the ordinary that
we're curious to see how the NBA doesn't react, because
I do think things like this affect the upcoming season, Right,
are their extra security measures? Is it going to be
(30:59):
where security and arenas are told under a minute? You know,
it's almost like football now, right in big events you'll
see all of them with the bright yellow orange jackets
to get you see in the NBA Finals, like when
it's a game clinching thing, like they all get it.
They all start lining up sure like ten seconds fifty. Like,
I wonder if it's going to be where, hey, under
a minute, security goes and kneels by the aisles and
(31:22):
when the buzzer sounds they run and put them rope around.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't. I don't want
to sit here on this podcast and say anything that's
against more security measures, But I honestly think in this
case that really isolated. The way isolated and the way
that you handle it is you you take the family
members and the parents in a room before the season
or whenever you have a chance to do it and
just be like, hey, hey, here's this tape from game
(31:47):
five of the first round of the Don't do this.
You see this film, do not repeat this. You do this?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You can't sit COURSI.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Right, you do it?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, maybe you do it at the end.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Anyway, Jimiken offers always go check them out over on
Pelicans dot com. There's a a company written piece to
everything we do, including Aaron on Jorge Hawkins. If you
want to see what Jim has to add to that.
As we thank Aaron Summer for joining us, go to
Pelicans dot com. We'll see you next time on the
New Orleans Pelicans podcast.
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello, we want to welcome once again to the New
Orleans Pelicans Podcast, official podcast of your New Orleans Pelicans.
Gus Cattin, Gill, Jamaike and Offer Repelicans dot Com once
again with you as we continue our host season, end
of the season, end of the regular season player profiles
than the starters who've done the reserves, and it's time
to talk about a player Jamaike can Offer, who was
drafted in the first round by the Peals a couple
(00:54):
of years ago, has had to deal with some injuries.
Yet we see some of the reasons why this organization
views him so highly, why he's a special player. He's
won a national championship and he very easily is a
building piece, right, I would I would consider and think
he can look at him. I'm curious, how do you
feel about Jordan Hawkins Season two?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing that stands out, unfortunately,
is just his drop in efficiency. That he shot only
thirty three percent from three point range, which that's kind
of what you envisioned to be his forte his biggest strength.
So I think, you know, we're going to talk about
this a lot with Aaron Summers, just how much of
a factor the injuries were. But I think that's the
biggest thing going forward, is that he has to raise
(01:38):
up his level of efficiency in the shooting categories just
from the field too. He shot thirty seven percent, which
is a little bit below thirty eight percent as a rookie.
His free throw shooting is great, so that doesn't have
to worry about that, but the other parts of the
game from the field in three point range are things
that he's going to have to improve. It was interesting
I looked at how he compares a against other first
(02:00):
round picks from twenty twenty three. So the draft two
years ago, Jordan Hawkins was the fourteenth overall pick, so
I thought it would be interesting to look at, you know,
where does he rank among those thirty players that were
drafted the same round as he was. And I mean
some of this was a little bit surprising. For example,
this past season, he was tenth in scoring average among
(02:21):
first round picks from that year at ten point eight
per game, so I mean above where he was picked
at fourteenth, he's sixth and three pointers made per game
at two point zero. Maybe the most interesting one too,
that was if you think about it in you factor everything,
and this might be the most disappointing part about it
is he was fifteenth in total minutes played at thirteen
(02:41):
hundred and twenty. I mean, you think about it, if
he had been healthier to a much greater degree, he
would have been so much higher in that. So he
was really middle of the pack among first rounders from
two years ago in how much he got to play
this season, But that number would have been so much
higher if he hadn't had to deal with the back injuries.
And last thing is too statwise, one of the things
(03:02):
I looked at so over the if you look at
all of the three pointer shot in the league this season,
the league average is thirty six percent from the field.
So if you are from three point range, so if
you shoot thirty six percent, you are literally an average
three point shooter in the NBA. This season, he shot
thirty three percent, as I mentioned earlier, which he's going
to have to improve. But from round one in twenty
(03:23):
twenty three when he was drafted, there's actually only five
players out of those thirty that shot at least thirty
six percent. So I mean just kind of goes to
show you that inefficiency from younger players and especially guards
is actually pretty common. There's a lot of guys who struggle,
especially as rookies, then they make a jump in their
second year or their third year, and I think that's
really what we're looking forward to seeing from Jordan Hawkins
(03:46):
in year three is that he brings up a bunch
of those numbers to a level where you say, we
know this guy is a really good shooter, and now
he's proving it repeatedly on the court.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
No doubt Aaron Summers team and sideline reporter will give
us her thoughts onto season two. I think one are
the things too, is he always looked during the summer
for that next step, right and going into season two
last summer helping on the defensive side. When I close
my eyes and I think of a few games that
he played this year, but he did.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
He I love he plays.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Above the rim. He saw some dunks, right, We saw
some aggress in this by him. We saw him get
some steals, and really, I thought, improve on the defensive it.
I know, it's a small simple would you say he
improved a little bit on the defensive end, Yeah, he
definitely did.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I think he was more of a playmaker on the
defensive end in terms of you know, you mentioned the steels,
but also the blocks we've seen him. I think in
his rookie year, we saw him show his athleticism on
offense to a level that we recognized, Okay, this guy's
a really good athlete. He's not just a spot up shooter.
But I think we saw on his second year on
the defensive end, we saw that come to the court
(04:45):
a lot more frequently than it did his first year.
But I think in terms of his offseason, he's got
to get stronger. He gets he does get pushed sometimes,
like he's trying to hold his ground defensively, he's trying
to stop a ball handler and the guy puts a
shoulder into him and knocks him back a couple feet.
So I think, you know, something that Jordan has acknowledged,
you know before, and something that hopefully with a healthier
(05:08):
off season two, he'll be able to really get in
the weight room and add some muscle and add some
pounds to his frame so that he can be a
little bit sturdier on the defensive end.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
All right, let's hear what Aaron has to say Season
two of Jordan Hawkins. Our player profile continues now with him.
All right, welcome back to New Orangs Pelicans Podcast, the
official podcast of your New Orleans Pelicans, will continue our
player profiles. Aaron Summer's still with us here as we
go over a player by the name of mister Jordan Hawkins.
I feel like I've used this reference several times. It's
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one of the benefits we get to do when we
go to Summer League and look at these players and
what they're able to do. And Jimmy, you were with
us as well, and Jordan Hawkins was a storyline going
into Game one of Summer League. Do you guys remember
what y'all storylines were? When the broadcast, I did the
absolutely difficult part of going, hello, guys, how are you doing, Aaron?
What do we want from.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
From Jordane Hawkins?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That's that's my role. I just tossed it to y'all
you remember what you were thinking storyline wise with Jordan
in the summer.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, going into Jordan Hawkins' second year, so post rookie season,
finally getting a summer to work on his game, because
out of the draft it is a whirlwind for these players.
And he hey won a national championship, so he played
as long as you could in college and didn't get
much of a break. So you wanted to see the
growth from him from year one to year two be
(06:26):
pretty big. You know, his ability on the defensive end.
You wanted to see him put the ball on the floor,
drive to the basket, find another way to score and
be effective when he's not just scoring off of screens
and on the fly, shooting pull ups and everything like
that from outside. And we did see him in summer
(06:48):
league try those things out. He was more aggressive. He
definitely was attacking the basket, and that was I think
we were impressed, like, Okay, clearly he's trying to take
us forward in this regard. Unfortunately, didn't get to see
a lot of it throughout the season because he kept
dealing with his back injury.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Before we get into some of the specifics of his
season and obviously, you know, he played fifty six games,
so he missed a couple extended chunks of the season,
and it just seemed like he got interrupted a bunch
of times when it was he was getting a little
bit of momentum. But wanted to ask you about him
just off the court, in terms of just his personality.
How would you describe him in terms of his approach
(07:28):
to the game and just the way he is kind
of off the court.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I wish people could see a little bit more of
his personality because he is a little reserved when you
talk to him in a media setting. He is quiet,
doesn't give up a lot, and I don't know if
he'll grow into it as he gets more comfortable in
the NBA. I think he's always been a quiet person
and player from what I gathered when he was in college.
(07:53):
But off the court, he's funny. He's got a little
dry humor. You know, he's a love guy too, Like
he gives hugs. You know, he likes the people he
works around. And you see a little bit warmer side
doing my guess, like a different side to Hawk, And
so it's tough you don't get to see that in
(08:15):
the media setting. On the court, you see somebody that's
just confident, aggressive, always ready to take this shot. This season, however,
I think you saw somebody that was dealing with a
lot of frustrations and at times people are like, well,
has he lost his confidence? Is he in his head?
And I don't think he's ever lost his confidence because
he will tell you I'm a shooter. I've always been
(08:36):
a shooter. I'm going to shoot. I don't have to
worry about that part of my game. But when your
back's hurting every time you try to take a shot
or move, that is definitely going to affect your overall
shot and how you're feeling about your game on the court.
I don't worry about him bouncing back in that regard
once he gets healthy. But yeah, we got to get
(08:58):
him to loosen up a little bit in kind of
the media.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think his personality in a different way reminds me
a little bit of Herb where people don't realize how
funny he is. Yeah, because I feel like there's a
bunch of times this season where Hawk would just do
like a quick one liner and it would make me laugh,
and it was one of those things where it was
under the radar like if you're with eight people, only
like two or three maybe notice that he was even joking,
So he kind of has that kind of you know, quiet,
(09:23):
like you said, sense of humor and he'll throw some
funny stuff in there, but it's very subtle. In terms
of this season overall, I mean, one of the things
that has to stand out is I think that was
disappointing beyond the fact that he missed as many games
as he did. So if you think about it, there
were so many guys on this team that had the opportunity,
(09:45):
an opportunity far greater than what we expected that they
were going to have going in the season. And if
you had told me, and I would have punched you
in the face, if you had told me that the
Pelicans would have as many injuries as they were going
to have, I would have said to you, Jordan Hawkins,
one of the silver linings is that he's going to
be able to capitalize that on that right and we're
going to get to see him. So I think that
was one of the things that was really frustrating is
(10:05):
the fact that, I mean this for a second year guy,
you're probably on a team that is supposed to be competitive,
and supposed to be in the playoffs. You'll never probably
see a guy get a better chance on paper to
contribute than what he did. But unfortunately, the injuries prevented
him from really, you know, fully taking advantage of that.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And I think that weighed on him too, because he
saw an opportunity as I don't want to say like
players went down, but like that's kind of what happened.
You know, he had that chance to play more minutes,
and we've always seen him when he's had those opportunities
break out and have huge games. His rookie season, nobody
(10:45):
played in a back to back. He scores thirty four points,
drives the Pelicans to a win over Dallas, and you're like, dang,
it can be really good. I think that's what he
saw on Antonio Reeves towards the end of the season.
His additional minutes, his him getting into his rhythm and
his ability to shoot not only from outside but get
inside as well. Is what we all expected from Hawk,
(11:08):
and I think Hawk expected from himself. But he couldn't
ever get into a real rhythm this season because, as
you mentioned, he was in and out. He started the
first games of the season, then he sat a few games,
only played six more in November, six more in December,
so he was in and out of the lineup so
frequently that, yeah, he could never really get into a
(11:30):
good rhythm.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It's time for pelistats and all right. These two numbers
are very related to a lot of what you just
touched on. The first stat is eight, and that is
how many games this season that Jordan Hawkins scored twenty
plus points. Unfortunately, of the eight times that he had
twenty plus points, only two of those happened after February first,
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so obviously he did a bunch of that at the
beginning of the season as a rookie. He had five
games of twenty plus points, so eight in his second year,
five as a rookie. And then the second number is
he shot forty point six percent on threes in October
before he was sidelined November first. That was the first
game that he missed due to his back injury. October
(12:12):
was the only month of the season that he made
at least thirty five percent of his three point attempts.
So he started incredibly well and then had the injury
and it seemed like, you know, he was never able
to get back to the way that he started the season.
So which of those two do you want to talk
about or both?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I will talk about both.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Okay, Gus.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You brought up the point that he had eight games
with twenty plus points or more, and if you actually
look at his stats across the board, most of them
are better than his rookie season. He scored more points,
he played more minutes, he had more rebounds, more assists,
so he did, regardless of the amount of time he
was able to play, still incrementally increase in all areas. Yes,
(12:58):
the shooting percentage did go down.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I think that's definitely attributed to his back, but he
was effective. I would like to and this is a
complete like I'm going off script here, so yeah, detour,
thank you. I would like to point out the drastic
increase on the defensive side. He had thirty steals to
nineteen and twenty three blocks to seven his rookie year.
(13:24):
That is an area that he absolutely needed to get
better in and I think he definitely did. Can he
still improve, absolutely, but we saw him stay in front
of players a lot better than he did his first season,
affect shots at the rim, and obviously look for steals
and he got out into a lot of fast break situations.
(13:45):
So he was more aggressive on the defensive end than
he was his rookie season. So I think that is
something that we can kind of circle as at least
a benefit of the season for him to work on
that side of his game.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I like where he went there with the blocks because
it was something I didn't look at a ton of
his defensive stats. But when you think about he did
play more minutes total this season, but it wasn't that
much more than he played as a rookie. I think
it was like thirteen hundred this season, about eleven hundred
as a rookie. So for him to go from seven
blocks to twenty three is a pretty significant jump, and
it just anecdotally if you remember back to the season,
(14:20):
he had so many more of those athletic blocks where
he came from the weak side and blocked somebody, or
he had like I think he had a couple chase
downs where it was a fast break and he swatted
somebody from behind. And I think one of the things
that I keep thinking about as I watch him play,
too is on the offensive end, you think of him
as a spot up shooter, that he scores in a
(14:40):
lot of the ways that you listed at the beginning,
where he's coming off of screens, he's in the corner,
the ball gets swung to him, his feet are set.
But he has so much more athleticism than you realize, ye,
and it comes out sometimes on the offensive end where
he'll drive in the basket and throw it down on somebody.
But it feels like, you know, going forward to next
season in the future, that that would you agree that
(15:03):
that's one of the things that he's going to focus
on or that we want to see more from him,
is just to bring that athleticism out, because it's clear
that he has it. It's just a matter of bringing
it to the court on a more consistent basis, which
he definitely did to at least some extent this season.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I think it all starts with his health, and that's
what he said. He said it's going to come down
to getting the rest that he needs to get to
a completely healthy spot, and then the strides that he
made defensively using his athleticism there, putting a little weight
on so he can help when he is trying to
get to the basket, driving through contact, being more confident
(15:41):
in being aggressive and going up for stuff because yeah,
I mean, he isn't the biggest guy. It's something that
Brandon Ingram always had to work on and could had
to specifically change his off season training for because he
doesn't carry weight that way. Trey Murphy also made a
(16:02):
point of doing the same thing. So I think that
will help him just be more confident in using his
athleticism and knowing that if he falls, he's gonna be okay.
Like deal with the back injury and falling a bunch
or running into people probably isn't something he was like
charging out there to do every night. If you know
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he's trying to stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
You know, you just reminded me. You know, we're having
Wes Johnson on for some of these and we talked
to him about a little bit about his player development.
I think I found something that I can work on
and focus on to help in the player development. We're
gonna have sessions with Jordan Hawkins. We take him over
to the cafeteria and we show him how to put
weight on, how to add that the waistline pasta bar.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
No doubt, And believe me, I'm not saying that I'm
the person to help him, you know, with the back
and all that. But a couple of years ago I
kind of had a little narrowing of the back thing,
you know whatever, long story, shortly strengthen your core. But
to your point, there are a lot of different things.
And you're right when you're back doesn't feel well. And
you know, just in even more Layman's terms, like when
(17:10):
you do gardening because it's springtime. You know, when you
read your to garden and you know, you cut the grass,
and that next morning you're sore, you're grumpy. I mean,
it doesn't make you feel good, you know. And and
so to your point, I think a lot of that's
going to be interesting this year or this offseason to
prep that for a long NBA season. There's a lot
of riggers on that. It's a lot of jumping and stuff.
(17:30):
Love the stat that you guys brought up with the
blocks that was fantastic erin because that tells you, I
can't block the shot if I'm not in front of you,
I'm not close to you, I'm not following you, I'm
doing it.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
They're not understanding what you need to be doing on
the defensive end, which was then behind the play a lot,
and yeah, definitely pick that up for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The other element of it, to your point too, that
when I close my eyes, I saw a lot of dunks,
alley oops this year, playing above the rims. And you
know he said it before, he's a hooper. He wants
to do all those things. And when I think of
Jordane Hawkins, he's a guy that's capable of making all
the shots baseline, jumper, elbow. We know he can shoot
the three. He loves to drop to the basket and dunk.
You had the blocks, So that's the makings of an
(18:13):
all around game. It's just you know, understanding your body,
what you need, got to be available, and in taking
that next step of what we talked about so far
in a lot of these podcasts, it's going to be
a competitive training camp eron and I think it's gonna
be very interesting to see how he attacks day one
of training camp on a team that's gonna have a
lot of people looking for those minutes.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah, I know, Jim, you were there when he spoke
at the end of the season and I asked him,
you know, how the season was for him and what
it was going to look like going forward health wise,
and where he was at after year two, and he said,
big summer. I'm going to have a big summer going
into year three, and like he seems whatever happened this
(18:58):
past year, how frustrating it was not going to hang
on it. He is going to get to work in
this offseason because he didn't want to go through another
season like he did this last year, even as rookie season.
I'm sure I was frustrated he didn't play as much
as he thought he was going to be. And you know,
you never know how long your career is going to be.
So it sounds like he's ready to get after it
and attack your three big time.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah. I mean it's a crucial year. I mean he's
coming up on the third year he was a lottery pick.
Granted it was fourteenth, It wasn't like he was in
the top two or three guys where you have tons
of hype and tons of expectations heaped upon you, But
I mean, yeah, it's he's definitely going to be one
of those players that I think, among many of the
younger players on this team that we're going to keep
an eye on in terms of what kind of progress
(19:40):
he can make next season.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Aaron Summer's team in Silent Reporter. Thank you so much
for your time.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Absolutely, and see.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
What takes place there in the offseason for Joe and Hawkins.
I know he will definitely be a player, and I
don't think he can go back to Summer League, right,
I think it's two years.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
There aren't really official rules, it's generally accepted.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
That is that the guys that want to see a
summer league say this against out a play already think
this team wants to see in summer league.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's a good question. I'm not really sure. I mean,
it's hard to say at this point. I think with
the back in all that, maybe you don't want to.
And I don't know how much more he can really
gain the drum it to we're playing that level of competition.
I mean, they tried him last Summer League playing more
point guard. I don't think it really went that well,
and it was also something that's probably not going to
carry over that much to the real NBA season. So
(20:23):
so yeah, I probably lean towards he won't be playing
in Summer League, but we'll see see.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
What takes place for sure. One of the things I
do want to get your opinion on because the playoffs continue.
Some teams, however, their seasons have come to an end.
What in particular the Milwaukee Bucks lots of attention and
news coming from the end of that series. Not only
did the Pacers win that series and move on, but
it was the end of the game that allowed Indiana
(20:50):
to go into the next round that everyone's talking about.
And it's not, unfortunately, the stop that allowed Indiana to
win the game or.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
The game winning basket that that Tyrese Haliburton got exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So what is that we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I mean, we talked about a couple episodes ago, we
talked about how, you know, the Buck's future is tied
a little bit to the Pelicans in terms of the
Pelicans have control of their draft picks. They have swap
rights in twenty twenty six. But we're not gonna talk
about that again this time. I mean, basically, what happened
on Tuesday night after Game five, Pacers pull off a
miracle comeback. They come back from seven down in the
(21:25):
last forty seconds, which apparently hasn't happened in like one thousand,
five hundred instances something like that where a team has
overcome being down seven or more with forty seconds left
in the game, but Tyre's Haliburton's father, John Haliburton, got
out onto the court. He kind of got in Gianni's
Antentakoopo's face. He waved, I think there was a towel
or something that had tyres it was face on it
(21:46):
or something. He got in his face. According to Giannisike
started cursing at him and saying, this is what we
bleep and do, and this is how we do it
in Indiana, and this is the bleep that we know
we're all about. And so I was just it was
unfortunate and we should say too before we discussed this that.
To his credit, John Halburton did apologize. He put out
(22:07):
a tweet, I guess immediately after the game pretty much
saying like, I apologize to the Pacers organization, I apologize
to the Bucks, I apologize to Yannis because what I
did was wrong, and I think Tyrese Haliburton immediately also said, like,
what my dad did. I think he used the word
pops to describe his father. He said multiple times what
he was out of line and that it's something that's
(22:28):
unacceptable and I'm gonna talk to him and tell him like,
don't do this again, but it was. I thought it
was interesting too. It sparked some discussion about kind of
the role of families members in the NBA, family members
of players in the NBA. It does seem to me
that it's getting a little bit more to the point
where you're seeing people show up all the time and
(22:50):
be prominent and be in front of the TV cameras.
And it's like, to me, if you want to, I mean,
there's someeveral. I'll give you one example, Karl Anthony Towns's father,
from what I've seen, he'll baseline, he's not trying to
get in the camera, he's not trying to talk to
the reporters all the time. That's fine if you want
to do that, but I just feel like we're getting
these in these situations where, for example, Kenny Smith on
(23:12):
TNT after the Pacers Bucks incident said come see the show,
don't be the show. And I think that was a
good way to put it. As far as just family members.
I don't know if this is the job of the
NBA organizations, the coaches, you and me, gus, but I
feel like the word needs to be it needs to
be expressed to them that it's important to not interject
(23:34):
yourself into things because the main reason being is I
don't think anything good can come from that. You might
get people to know who you are, you might get
whatever recognition, but for the most part, it never reflects
well on the player. And I'll give you I'll give
you an example from here from I think this is
about ten years ago when Austin Reeves played here. He
was in a situation where he was playing behind Jim
(23:57):
or Ferdette. Not for an entire season, not even maybe
for a month, there was a brief period of time
where in the rotation Jimmer Ferdett was playing more than him,
or you know, he was ahead of him on the
depth chart. And Austin Rivers's brother tweeted, basically, I can't
believe Jimmer Fredett is playing. My brother is better than
him in every he said. Actually, i'll quote this. He said,
(24:22):
can't believe the Pelicans continue to play for debt over
my brother. Yet my brother is better than him in
every category. And oh, Austin plays defense too. And I
remember it was one of those things where it's like,
I think people were talking about this after a game
because somebody saw it and you're talking about it on
the bus and it's or the plane after the game,
and it's like, you can't do stuff like that. It's
(24:43):
just you gotta as frustrated as you might be, or
whatever the situation is, you might want to talk trash
the way Helliberton's father did. It's like you got to
have your some tough control and be like, how does
this affect The most important person in endy of the
situation is the player? How does it this affect them?
You gotta think that way before you do anything.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I think the thing too that I guess really stands
out because again, you know, saw the replay several times,
and I mean Giannie's forehead and his dad's forehead are
touching mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Right, how does he get how does he get on?
Why is he not being separate? Right?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Because my thing is this, right, and it's unfortunate. And
maybe I think about this a little bit more because
I have a small kid, right, and we all know
what's happening in schools and arenas, and you just don't
know today, Jim. I mean, I hate saying that, but
you know, when the Super Bowl is here, we went
through extra security, right, because you just don't know. And
(25:39):
if you're if you're taking to the court, follow my
logic here. If you're taking to the court, you're probably
already not thinking logically, right, You're probably not thinking clearly.
Are you inebriated?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Are you on something?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Because normally we would all agree he probably isn't gonna
go on the court. So for whatever reason, it's either
an emotional state that's aroused, or you know, he's had
a few, there's something that he feels, probably unordinarily, the
need to go and do something. Sure, and once there's
(26:11):
words exchanged, I don't know, man, what I mean. I
would think that he wouldn't do something, But I don't
know that, you know, Claire, I don't know that. As
a security guy, how do I know he doesn't have
something in his hand?
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know, I don't know, Jim.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I just I think that that to me is the
biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
What somebody like that is doing and what they're capable of, right,
and and that's my biggest you know, I think also
to that same point, if you're a father of one
of the players, if you're Tyrese Halliburn's father, or a
father of any of the other Pacers.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You wouldn't want some random guy walking out on the court,
so why would you do it yourself? You would be
you would be furious if if, say a Milwaukee Bucks
fan or a father of a Milwaukee Bucks player ran
out on the court and got in the face of
a Pacers player, you would probably be like, what the
hell is this guy doing? So why would you do
it yourself? It's just it's baffling from that outside looking
in flag whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's the apology? Fine, right, maybe you get a fine
or something that the fact that your foreheads touched though
you touch the player. Yeah, and this wasn't like in
the tunnel.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
This wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
On the Jannis stood at the free throw line in
despair as the game, the season just ended too. Confetti's buying,
everyone's going to the field, and here comes is and
it and.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
He puts his head on him. Yeah, I don't get
it so wild to me, you know, if there's anything
good that can come out of it, though, I think
I suggest people watch the two or three minute interview
where Yannis addressed the specific thing and just I mean,
he just continues to impress me with how respectful he was.
That was actually a big element of his have his
(27:48):
talk to the media was just how important he thinks
it is to just be respectful and how he doesn't
understand the mentality of you know, you win a game,
and you immediately the first thing is not to go
up to your son and hug him. You're it's and
say like, hey, good job, man, you make me so proud.
The first thing you do is go up to a
guy on the opposing team and start cursing at him.
It's just it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And not to say that you would do this for anybody, right,
but you know, this is an instance where like one
of the players we talked about her this week already,
Draymond Green, who's had a history of you know, maybe
you know, cutting your your son underneath. I can't think
of anything that Giannis has ever really done right too
long on free throw.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, of all the guys, champions, of all the guys,
you would attack, Like That's what I'm getting at, Like
this isn't you know, one of those things where.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
This guy's a dirty player, or you know, he makes
a bucket in the first quarter, eleven minutes remaining in
the first and he's you know, crots chopping or something
to you know what I'm saying, right throwing.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
The bird to the arena.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's now three nothing and so and
he's giving the arena the bird. It's just it's it's
interesting to see how Adam Silver in the NBA will
re act to this.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And we'll close it this.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Do you think they have to do something?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I mean, can you find parents of players? I don't
really know. I don't think there's really any precedent for that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I mean, well, the NFL find the Falcons defensive coordinator
for information they got out for some use phone number.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I just saw that. So basically they
could find they could find Tyrese Haliburton basically or sanction
him somehow, or they could at least say life got fined.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think the organization got fined as well.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I think without knowing a lot of the details too,
that I'm sure the NBA is going through right now,
even saying like hey, John Halburton, you're gonna have to
the next home game that the Pacers have. You're gonna
have to stay home for this one, just to send
the message that you can't be walking out on the
court and even if you know that seems like a
light punishment in comparison to what he did and what
(29:47):
could have happened, it's still at least something. So I
don't know that would be my guess of what they
Maybe they could rule that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm doing my best to not make this an entire podcast,
but but I think we actually could we do a
whole series players A Graph would leave the broadcast boost
for broadcast booth four to give words to seven player.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, well, maybe we can ask them about that.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We have them, We have.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Them on top five to I think based off this season,
would say Pajenski, right, because he still blames him for
hurting herb Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, I think Rudy.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Gobert is always going to be on there, right, always
going to be on there.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Who would be a thirdy thing? I don't know. You
know so many Police Killer. We do still have two
player reviews with Graph coming up, so maybe it will
be maybe that can be the either the the third segment,
or it can be the director's cut at the end
of the like that you've.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Been doing pelistats right with our guest here as well,
Maybe he'll be a pelistat with player anyway. Yeah, the
point is we're making a little light out of it,
but it is just so out of the ordinary that
we're curious to see how the NBA doesn't react, because
I do think things like this affect the upcoming season, Right,
are their extra security measures? Is it going to be
(30:59):
where security and arenas are told under a minute? You know,
it's almost like football now, right in big events you'll
see all of them with the bright yellow orange jackets
to get you see in the NBA Finals, like when
it's a game clinching thing, like they all get it.
They all start lining up sure like ten seconds fifty. Like,
I wonder if it's going to be where, hey, under
a minute, security goes and kneels by the aisles and
(31:22):
when the buzzer sounds they run and put them rope around.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't. I don't want
to sit here on this podcast and say anything that's
against more security measures, But I honestly think in this
case that really isolated. The way isolated and the way
that you handle it is you you take the family
members and the parents in a room before the season
or whenever you have a chance to do it and
just be like, hey, hey, here's this tape from game
(31:47):
five of the first round of the Don't do this.
You see this film, do not repeat this. You do this?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
You can't sit COURSI.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Right, you do it?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, maybe you do it at the end.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Anyway, Jimiken offers always go check them out over on
Pelicans dot com. There's a a company written piece to
everything we do, including Aaron on Jorge Hawkins. If you
want to see what Jim has to add to that.
As we thank Aaron Summer for joining us, go to
Pelicans dot com. We'll see you next time on the
New Orleans Pelicans podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
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