Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Terrell Suggs

On this episode of Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball, the guys are joined by Baltimore Raven legend and future Hall of Famer, Terrell Suggs! Rory & Mal get into why Terrell hates this new generation of rappers, his first time hearing go-go music, and what made Aaron Hernandez so dangerous on and off the field

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Speaker 3 (00:47):
We are back with another episode of Rory Maul Don't
Know Ball Today, Rory, we are once again joined by
somebody who knows more about ball than either one of
us will ever know. Yes, and with the tenth pick
in the two thousand three NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens
select a fucking dog, a dog of all dogs from

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Arizona State University. We are joined by Terrell T Sizzle Sugs.
How you doing, my.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Brother, Legend? What was happening? Thanks for having to me.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
The legend the legend? Terrell? How you feeling? How you
been I.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Feel I've been good man. Feeling really good. Man, I just, uh, well,
I can't say I just had a newborn baby here
ye here now. But he knew he basically he punking me,
running it, running your life, running your life, running it.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
It doesn't look like you have any bags under your eyes.
So that's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
He's sleeping now. But the first couple of months was
what what was sleep like? I didn't even know what
sleep was. Yeah, sure, I.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Want to jump right into it with you, Torell. I'm
gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I was rooting for you. I thought that you would
have gotten into the hole in the first ballot. I
still cannot believe that Terrell Suggs did not Rory get
selected to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot.
We're talking about a guy who was probably number eight
all time and shot yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
In an NFL I mean number one for tackles for
a loss.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Ye I just what do you have to do to
get into the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
At Let's be honest, like, what is the criterion Tuton
super Bowl champion? Fucking I don't know how many Pro Bowls.
Let's be honest, because that's what we do, hit man.
We talk it real, we keep it real. How disappointed
were you in not being selected as first ballot?

Speaker 5 (02:32):
I was extremely dispot I ain't even gonna lie I was.
I was herdbroken on it. Like, I was extremely disappointed
because you know, I'm like the first Raven that didn't
get in on the first.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Ballot, insane, insane in on his first ballot. Was his
first ballot?

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Yeah, uh you know, is add in there yet?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Red?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Yeah, it was his first ballot, and you know, like
I didn't want to be the Raven that was a finalist,
you know what I mean, and didn't get in on
the first ballot. So I was disappointed. But like later
that day I saw Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah what was he doing? He brother?

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Yeah, I was all right, yeah, I'm disappointed, But that's
what it's about, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Like that that was dope, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
So I'm gonna be honest, man, that that was that
was absolutely crazy, And you know, just being honest with you,
I felt like it has a lot of a lot
to do with politics. Is there's no other there's no
other reason why Terrell Suggs is not a first ballot
Hall of Famer.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah, I think you know they said they look for
any reason not to get you in.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, man.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
It's whatever like now like if it, if it does happen,
you never know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Because they made t O eight three years.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Like, which is which is crazy. Again it's crazy, which
is crazy. Driveway definitely was the first ballot, you know
what I mean. So like they made t O eight
three years, So like I just don't think like they
will get the genuine like shock, yeah they want you
know what I'm saying, Like you you want that not
you want that genuine But it's like.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Y'all late, Yeah, you're like y'all like to the party.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
I mean, it is what it is. Man, life goes on.
The sun will ride, you know, I mean the sun
came up. Yeah, and like I was having a beat,
Like I said, I found I didn't get in having
a bad day and my baby was having.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
A good one. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Right, it was just like it was a silver line
and I was like, man, I'm all right, I'm still
I'm still ahead on points.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
That's that's that's the fact.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Bill Coach Bill Belichick had some some great things to
say about you, he said, uh, oh, I'm not misquoting him.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
We had to double team him every play.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
And if you have to double team somebody every play,
that's a Hall of Famer and coach Bill Belichick's book. So,
I mean, I still don't understand it. But what you
did throughout your career, you know, your your stats and
and the way you played, the intensity that you brought
to the game is you know, something that they can't
take away.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
And they candy race.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
So I mean, I think it had happened one day,
but it's politics. Man, that ain't for us. You did
what you had to do.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Whenever it happens. Did it happened? Man? Yeah, you know
I can't.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
I gotta keep on living, you know, I mean, I
got five kids. Now, there you go, there, you gotta
I gotta continue to be dead.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah, let's take it back to the h to the
beginning of Torell. What was it like growing up in Minnesota?
Like that's that's one of the cities that you find
out somebody's from Minnesota, you like really like you never
really meet growing up in New York City, we don't
meet people from Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
What was it like?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
What was it like growing up in Minnesota and and
did you purify yourself in the waters of Lake.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
I did not, But I mean, I'm glad I saw
that I didn't want to play with toys no more.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I know exactly.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
It's very cold, you know what I'm saying, cold in soda.
And it's also like it's as a jungle in the
sense of athletes, you know what I'm saying. People don't
know just how competitive like Minnesota is, you know what
I mean. And like I was just telling my girl
the other day, I was like, it's like there's twelve

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Terrell's out of ten kids, you know what I'm saying, Like,
because like you had to ball like Joe Mauer.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
People don't know that Joe Mauer was the only player on.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
An inner city team and he was the best player,
right Like Joe maher Like is a legend in Minnesota,
especially in Saint Paul. Like he played like he played
you know, you played midget and pee wee ball.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
He was you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
He was eight when we were ten, and he's the
best player dominated not just in football but basketball.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
You know what I'm like.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
In pee wee football, they pretty much let Joe kind
of like like he can audible, like had you heard
it audible? And like the kid had it, you know
what I mean. Like I go to say, I needless
to say, Like I said, like it was just a

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slew of kids, but you know it's all in the
It's like a concrete jungle, you know, all on top
of each other, you know what I mean. It's like
they don't Like I tell my kids all the time,
like we didn't have the kind of like resources y'all have,
and like people can see y'all play. Like it was
like hard to make it out, you know what I'm
saying in the city because you didn't you know, you

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didn't have you know, streaming and and and you know
the internet. The Internet just came online. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
That it wasn't as vast as it is now, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
But like we just had kids, punk kids like that
that had.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Gold, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
So like when I moved to Arizona, I was like
fifteen years old. They've never seen nothing like me. Maybe
like you're fifteen. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It
was kind of like a man child or something like that,
you know what I mean. So like Minnesota, like people
need the one thing they don't know about Minnesota. They
know it's cold, but you need to know about the

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talent in Minnesota. You know, the girl Hage budget just
went number one Minnesota. You know, say fitz Gerald Minnesota.
Of course, Jay says Jalen Subbs.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Orlando Magic Minnesota. You know what I mean. But we
got some things up there, you know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Own mighty ducks.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, mighty duck.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
You know what I'm saying. I wanted to be a duck,
but I couldn't skate tonight.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
You know when black people we only want to play
high kay.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
For the fighting. That's like shit, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, what's up? Was happening at right? You know?
Show our skills?

Speaker 6 (09:04):
Was there any print sightings when you're out there? I mean,
I know you're only there for fifteen.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Years, but no. He also like he wasn't floating over the.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
City legend First Avenue baby, Yeah, you know him in
Moore's day in the time, but we never there's a
mirror of Prince but I've never seen him.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Did you did you did you feel like when you
moved to Arizona, did you feel like growing up in
Minnesota kind of like you were ahead of the curve
against the other kids in Arizona because you had come
from such an.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Environment that was cold. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, with the element of the weather and things like that.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
I felt like, like I said, because of the talent level,
like the talent pool, it was so crowded, you know
what I'm saying. If you wanted to stand out, you
had to stand out. Your game had to do it
for you.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know what I mean. You couldn't talk in there.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
But you know, you come down the nice, sunny Arizona,
they living good, They comfortable. You remember like when kill
Monker walk up into Wakanda, like you know, like you did,
I'm like, I'm hungry, you know, comfortable, you.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
So it was kind of like that, Like think of
that when when Killed Mangers showed up in Wakanda, That's
exactly how it showed up in Arizona. I was like, Oh,
this is for it taking. Yeah, it wasn't you know,
it wasn't twelve Terrell to every ten kids.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
It was more like four right, and oh oh I'm
fin I'm finna tell these odds up, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
And it kind of spoke for itself.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah, culturally, what was that shift like, because I mean
it's not like you moved from New York to Philly
where yeah it's different, but it's still sort of the same.
That's like polar opposites of the country.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
I tell yeah, I tell my girl, I tell my
sons all the time. I'm like, Yo, when I left
Minnesota and nine arrived in Phoenix, I had hope.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
It was just like, Yo, I could do something I
could make I'm like, Yo, this could be my life,
you know what I'm saying. Like people don't realize, like
Phoenix is like paradise. Every day. You wake up paradise
every day. The weather's beautiful except in the summer. You know,
we get one twenty.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Ridiculous. Yeah. But like when I got here and.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
I saw just like everybody was happy and to see
these nice houses and big houses and land and no snow,
and it was just like, like I said, when I
moved to Phoenix, I had hope. I was like, I
can do some of my life, like I could potentially
make if I go all in like on myself, I
could potentially make it.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
And I did. I end up getting the.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Scholarship, you know what I'm saying, Like that change of
scenery was did everything for me.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
What was the reason your family moved to Arizona?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
The winters?

Speaker 5 (11:48):
My dad he had lung cancer, uh, and the winters
was too hard on him, and like he would have
to miswork for like weeks and weeks at a time
because the wind was so bad. You know, you're in
the city, you poor, and like that liable car with
reliable heat and anything like that.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
So, like the winners was too bad for him.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
My auntie had already lived down here, so he packed
us up and moved backed up his boy and moved
down here.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
What were you thinking, Because I mean fifteen, you got friends,
you settled, like you get established.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
And want to go.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
So what I was thinking, I was like, Yo, I'm
just gonna get in some fights, be bad, get kicked
out of school, get sent back.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know what I'm saying. I was like, that was
your plan? Yeah, I was like to be backing, I said,
but take me about a month. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
But like I said, when I got down here and
I was just like, yeah, wow, yeah I could do this.
Go back, yeah, I could do this, never going back.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
What was the music scene for you like growing up?
What was some of the artists that you listened to
growing up in high school? Middle school?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Like?

Speaker 4 (12:54):
What were some of your favorite artists that you listened
to middle school?

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Tupac Shakr. I'm a Tupac guy. Big on pop. In
high school it became jay Z, but most importantly DMX
was I was the DMX through and through is the
reason I went balder. I was probably gonna go bald

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early anyway, but when came out in ninety eight, he
had the dog collar.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
You know what I'm saying. So I shaved all my
hair off. Okay, my hair never really grew back. Started
barking in the egg gap.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
I started barking at people and you know, walking like
you know what I mean, Like, when you're sixteen, you
got identity Price. Yeah, of course, anybody who that's hot
you're gonna try to emulate. Yeah, but you know, my
roommate to tell you, like the first thing I hung
up when he came, like when we met, when we
went to college. Was my DMX post, you know what

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I mean, not as dark as hell out the second
one Less of my Flesh.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, you know he had that. I had both of them.
Okay dripped on him and then the other what he
had where he was just you know what I mean
at first that first album.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yeah, like DMX was high school DMX and jay Z
was high.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
School I mean ninety to two thousand. I feel like
it was that the Agel debate of X versus jay Z,
X versus you chose X.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I chose X definitely.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
I think X was just you know because like jay
Z was quote unquote you know, he had like that
that the big daddy flow.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
You know, he had the pretty boy you know what
I'm saying, the champagne. You know.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
AX was street. Yeah, you know, ex Ex was hood.
We ain't popping, like no, I'm walking my dogs, my
pit bulls, you know what I'm saying. Like was just
just grunty, whereas jay Z was like, oh, yeah you
get the girls, We're gonna go party, big pimping and
all that.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
But like, yeah, what street, you know what I'm saying,
Like X was it.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Man was Arizona. More on the West Coast ship when
you got there. But I mean I know it started
to die down a bit around that time.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah, No, they were big on the West Coast. I
mean I think Arizona they really clean, kind of like
to the to the LA music scene. I think artists
here kind of like their flows try to be like similar,
you know what I'm saying. Like, but I don't think
they really bitchro out, like they don't have their own

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not here, and they're not here in Phoenix. They don't
have their own like musical kind of like niche or
their own style, like they Area rappers. They're not La raps, right, yeah, right,
they got their own thing, you know what I mean.
So like Phoenix, y, I think they just kind of
like cling to the LA.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
Scene, malls into the Chicano rap so I know that's big.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
It's own rap.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Man.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
I'll listen to anything, man, whether it's good or not.
I just want to hear it.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Let me know if this, if this is the sound
coming out of this city, I'm all right, let me
hear it. If it's trash, I'm gonna let you know.
Like I can't get into that, it's not for me.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Yeah, And it's like you know, when we grew up,
we was really big on on on like lyrical ability,
lyrical talent, you know, And now you just you just
get a nice little repetitive beat and clingy little saying,
maybe a little dance or TikTok, you know what I mean,
get your song put on TikTok, and that's what they
consider hot now, you know, I mean, like when we

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grew up, you really have to have talent absolutely, and
like like the women really had to have talent, Like
you have to be able to spit with the men.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Now it's kind of what they call like strip a rap.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, you gotta look good, you gotta look good.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
How good is your pussy? And you got to break
a bag and all this other ship.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
But like like evening they had to spit, yeah, Foxy Brown.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
And remember they used to put them girls in like
gauntlets and then have to go round for round with
the men. Like no, you weren't just rapping against other girls.
You know, they had to rap against the boys, you
know what I'm saying. That's why you know what I'm saying,
Like those that era of women rappers, like they kind
of was like it's a difference they they don't brand.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
There's some rappers. There's some female rappers. Now I think
that got talent. Like I think Meg really can.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Flow absolutely fire. I love Gorilla. I think I think Lotto.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Really can flow absolutely yeah. Uh that one girl, Lady London.
You know, I don't think she may the stream yet
she can. Like it's some girls that don't do the stripper.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Rap, those can really wrap too.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
A good balance. Put her more like in pop like
R and B.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
I feel like, I don't know that I don't buy
like a dozer rap like album, but I wouldn't mind
like smashing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Definitely a little bit.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
She's algorithm, yeah, phenomensic.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
But what I'm saying like, I.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Kind of I kind of see like she she can
go and eaither category, but I see her more as
like an R and B singer or pop.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
Check out her most recent album that was last year, right,
Yeah that's she's rapping on.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
That litt Less Pops to Paint the Town Red. That
was a single on it. Yeah, yeah, her naked trying
to Pay the Time. I love that natural hal bbls
and yeah girl you you you know who I am you. Yeah,

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what what do you think about the music your kids
listen to? I hate it? I hate it.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Like there's nothing against the artists that they like. You
know what I'm saying, It's just what I get from
my Like when my son's like playing the Ship loud
in his room, like, I'm like that Ship trash and
he's like yelling at.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Someone who is listening to those Who's he listening to?
Who's he listening to?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Wave?

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Like he was like Rod Wade okay for trash and
he like called them by his whole government.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And I'm like like, like, like, get off of it,
straight up. I don't like soft parents and I like that.
Yeah yeah, he like, no, we don't do soft parenting.
That don't work for us. I'm the only one that's
big feelings. All my kids are habitual line steppers.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's like, no, no matter how many times I yell
at him or threaten them or take ship, they're just
gonna they teenagers are weird, man.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah, they know they know dad got a soft spot. Man,
they know dad got a soft spot.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Would they know I do more threatening than anything? Of course,
he got to do threatening than anything. But they their
music is trash.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
If your son wanted to go to the rod Wave
show in Phoenix, would you go with him?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Uh? It was actually out here, you know, I did
not go with him. I let him go by himself.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Almost walk back up in here at like three age,
I'm like, come on, man, I'm like.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
No, but road Wavers, you know it's it's it's not
for me.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
But it's not for me.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
But it's like, the more you know, I want to
be depressed, I'm going to out depress everybody and tell everybody,
oh yeah yeah. It's like it's like I'm going to
be sadder than anybody.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
It's like sad cosplay because you could tell like he's
rich and happy, yeah, but he's just crying.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
I can't do it. He's faking suicide at the show,
like oh my god. They jumping off buildings and ship
I can't do it, Like uh huh, that move. It's
just not for me.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
But like you know, a lot of these new artists
they got like their own following, they got their own wave.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
He doesn't us they're gonna move. Regardings like Kevin Gates.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
I think I probably only heard maybe like one Kevin
Gates song in my life but the dude has constant motion. Yeah,
his concerts be selling out. He'll get a chick on
stage spitting her mouth.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I'm like, you should. You should actually listen to Gates though,
because if you love Gates his music.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Yeah, So the thing is like his interviews kind of
like scare me off that music. Yeah, yo, come on, man,
you're gonna smash your cousin.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's not in the music at all. Even if you're
being for real, you can't. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, his music, his music is.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I think his music. You're growing up on the same
type of music we grew up on, or I grew
up on. I think that you would appreciate some of
the Kevin Gates ship though, and a lot.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
Of his contents similar to to X as well. He's
definitely more on the grimy side. He's not rapping about
weird ship like fucking his cousin or anything.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I promise.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, Like, you gotta check them out.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
I was scared too, and I would see like the
Genius ship and I saw a few freestyles, but it
didn't convince me enough to like go to the album.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I love Kevin Gates now, really he can really wrap you.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, I think you like it.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I'm gonna check him out. You learned something everything.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
We're gonna were gonna check in with you in a
in a month and see if you listen to any
of the Kevin Gate shit. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna be
watching you to make sure see if you posting any
videos of his music in the back. I'm gonna be
following your socials just to see what you're doing. But
I think you'll fuck with Kevin Gates though. I want
to say, all right, we're gonna see check back.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
In the month. Yeah. I actually have this this fear
with my daughter.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
I mean, she's only two years old, but once she
gets older and I want to start playing her the
music I grew up on. I'm almost convinced she's gonna
think it's trash and it's gonna break my heart. Like
if you played your kids ex jay Z any of
that stuff and they just looked at you like, why
would you like this?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, one of my fears.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
They haven't said it was trash, but they just like, nah,
you old, Like nah, that's old dad, that's oh you
need to listen to this, So listen to that.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Like my daughter like loves like little baby, I like
little baby.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
He's he's a person like in their era, like their
genre moves.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I think he makes really good music. Yeah for sure.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
I like I like Gunna, you know what I'm saying.
Like it's a few of them I do like I
like the baby, you know what I mean. He seemed
like he part of the institution, like he would be
a raven.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
You know. He looked like he like one of us,
like ravens, Like we're all a little fucked up. Yeah, yeah,
y'all are special. Yeah yeah, we ravens. Man, It's just
it's just us as you need know how to pick them.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yeah, that's the fact, is that, Like do you feel
that immediately in the rock locker room, like your rookie year,
did you look around at like all these I have
not met these guys, but I could tell they're just
like me.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Okay, so the vets like who was your vet when
you came in?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Dlis Thomas A D A D was my vet.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
He's like, we got a great relation. He's still like
a big brother. Mean, we still got a good relationship.
But like they they hate me all right, Like they like,
all right, your rook We're gonna welcome you to the NFL,
and we're gonna see you, you know what I'm saying,
see what you got. And like by the end of
shaining camp, they gonna know, all right, if you one
of us, are you not? You know what I'm saying,

(24:24):
And that I had to go through, you know what
I'm saying, my traditional hazing. But it was kind of
like after a while it got became fun. It started
was just like, man, these motherfuckers, like this is bullshit,
you know what I'm saying, play ball, But then it
got fun and then like they started warm on to
your personality and then you're like, oh, we all are
the same. We're just a different brand of kool Aid.

(24:45):
Some of us is great fruit punch, strawberry, you know
what I'm saying. We just our own different brands of
the same product.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
You know what I mean. But it was it was dope.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
So a D was my VET, and yeah, yeah, like
I kind of want I wouldn't say, like because training camp,
your first training camp is a bitch, Like it sucks.
It's long, you get your ass kicked every day. Like
your first training camp sucks, you know what I'm saying.
But like after training camp, I was like, we're pretty dope.

(25:18):
This is a pretty op dope group of guys. And
it was like the first time I ever been a
part of a team that had like more than one dog,
you know what I'm saying. Of course, that was the
alpha male, but then all them captains underneath him general
like all.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Bad asses kick you know what I mean. When you
go down dark Alley with everybody under him.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
It's like, all right, we all asked kicks, let's let
we do all let's go do this, you know what
I'm saying. So like it was the first team that
I ever been on that I wasn't the top dog.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And then like it was like, not only am I
not the top dog, It's like ten of us, all
of us do that.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Everybody can play.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, yeah, it was dope, man, it was real dope.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
You have one of They had one of the best defenses,
well for a few years, the defense of the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
That's what you'all hung your hat on. When you first
got to the league.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Who was the first player that you lined up across
that you realized like, oh shit, this is a different level.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Johnathan Ogden, of course he was on my team.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, he was the first person that I realized, like, dude,
this ain't college, Like, you're not the ship you did
in college.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
You're not don't be able to do all that ship
up here, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
So Johnathan Aghman, he was just like this big ass
gentle giant, never got angry or anything and just kicked
your ass every day. You five, He then, good job.
Never raise this boy. JA So not teammate that wasn't
my teammate. The first person I went up against, well,
I can't. Well he was my teammate in college, so

(27:04):
Levi Jones. I played against him like he was like
the very first athletic tackle I ever played against.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
But I played against him in college. You know, we
were teammates in college, so Levi.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
We always had our battles. But I would say the
first person that I would probably say really got after
me or like whoop my ass Willie RoAF, you know
what I'm saying. Like Willy Rope was huge. He just
beat the ship out of it. And that wasn't like
my rookie year. I was like two or three years in.

(27:38):
He wrote the ship out of me. Both of his
guards were tough, Brian Waters and will Shields, you know,
the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
They was really tough.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
And Walter Jones, he was like a six six six
seven left tackle.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
That ran like a four or five or four six.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
He was like free athletic, like just cheating, you know
what I'm saying, Like Walter Jones, Like I've had some
battles with them dudes.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
So, yeah, who's the toughestuff running back? Huh, who's the
toughest running back.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Who's the toughest running back? Brandon Jacobs. So we played
this motherfucking in a preseason game. You know, Brandon Jacobs
is as big as linebacker. You know, he's for too
fifty to sixty and they got me off the ball.
Motherfucking playing off the ball linebacker. If everybody knows, like

(28:34):
my game is not back there, you know, at the
line of scrimmage and going forward. But this particular player,
I'm off the ball and this motherfucker had a cutback,
like the run is the way and he cut back
and it's just being him. Now, I'm not gonna say
I lost this battle, but I didn't win it either.

(28:57):
And it seemed like I was trying to like tackle
this mo fucking for like a minute and I'm thinking, like, Yo,
where the fuck is this badass defense at And we
supposedly calls us, we supposed to be swarming, We all
supposed to be hitting this long fucker him by myself.
So I smashed right into brandage that damn. I'm like,
I'm this was twenty something. This was about twenty years ago. Yeah,

(29:20):
Like I'm still talking about this head that collision. Like,
I'm like, Yo, that's that's not for me. If I
gotta do that ship for a career, you know, I'm
not gonna be here. Brandon Jacobs was a dog Adrian
Peterson or he was mother fucking dog and nobody knows
this guy. His name was like Kevin Jones. He went
to Virginia Tech and he played for the Detroit Lions.

(29:43):
And the dude only knew like one tempo. He's like
the unto me, he's the unfamous Marshawn Lynch, like he
just always was on and you know, but this is
when Detroit wasn't good. They didn't have like good tight
good blocking tight ends and offensive line, and so he
didn't have he didn't never got to show what he

(30:04):
really could do. But under a good behind a good
offensive line, or a good running scheme, he easily could
have like led the league in rushing.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
You know what I'm saying, like Kevin Jones was was
a doll, Like.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, you played you played running back in high school.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Do you think that because you played that at some
point in your career that kind of helped you? Because
I think I think you still do lead the NFL
all time and tackles for losses.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Do you think that that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Do you think do you think that that because you
played that position, you're able to read the running back
a little a little better than most guys on defense?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I think somewhat.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
I think playing running back, I think it helped me,
like with my feet just kind of like yeah, what
I'm saying with my work, so we say so, like
I think it helped in that aspect. But you got
to understand, like who we're dealing with here, Like we're
talking about the best of the best. You're playing, you
starting starting NFL running back is the best in the world,

(31:15):
you know, especially then this is when they actually ran
the ball, but so ass happy like it is now
like they was in you three type ends running powers
and plunges. You know what I'm saying, counter, they don't
do that shit no more, you know what I'm saying.
But like this is when like the back was was

(31:35):
the most important, you know what I'm saying, the quarterback.
Then it was the running back, you know, and then receivers. Now,
of course the quarterback and receivers.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
Because it's a past happy game, But this is when
you was facing against a Hall of Fame back almost
every week, you know, and then you had the backs
coming that had that crazy speed, the Chris Johnson and
Ready Bushes. You know what I'm saying. People don't know that.
Like Red Taylor, he's six three, two hundred and twenty pounds,

(32:05):
he runs in four to three. This is this is
when the bats were bats ap all day. They call
him all day long. Like we ad the Pro Bowl.
You know, you had the Pro Bowl with your family,
were out there getting drunk. This is out there drinking water,
like nobody called on haw he broke the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Russian, right.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Dude out there. We're like, dude, you dude, realize this
is a pickup football. We're having fun. We will try
to win until his four cart Like I'm trying in VP,
I'm trying to break the record.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
They're drinking water out their own business. Like when Sean
Taylor knocked that breakdown, it was the game to him.
You know when you go to Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
From the moment you get on the plane, they start
feeding you my tide like you like, I'm getting drunk,
drunk the whole week. Like if y'all see me sober,
then I failed you. You know what I'm saying, doing
the pro boil, right, you know what I mean? And
like all of us were getting drunk, he was the
only person sober and went out there and ran for
like two and.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Thirty yards against the world's best football.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Players, world's best hungover football player.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, hungover football?

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
What was baby?

Speaker 5 (33:16):
What was it like?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (33:17):
In the locker room and just being around the legend
that ray Lewis is.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Man, it was dope. Like you know, of course, you
know where boys come. We can't say everything that was
said and done and stuff like that, but like dude
was like, it's not a facade, you know what I mean? Like,
dude is a real leader.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Like that's who he is. The ray Lewis, y'all get
is the ray Lewis. He is like it's not.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
That's why it's so enticing and treating, you know what
I mean, Like intriguing, like like dude, that's who he is,
and like he's a leader, like he got he got
a relationship with everybody, you know what I'm saying, So
like of course you know you and Tim there, he's like,
oh shit is ray Lewis. It's just like getting being

(34:03):
on the team with Michael Jordan, you know what I'm saying,
Like the first time rookie got on the team until
Michael Jordan be like, Yo, that's Michael Jordan right there,
like you didn't seen everything this dude and dead And
in my rookie year he won Player of the Year
that year too, he won in two thousand when they
won the super Bowl, and then my rookie year he
won Player of the Year, only for a reed to

(34:24):
win it the next year.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
You know what I'm saying. So this is the locker
room I'm in, you know what I mean, Not to.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Mention all the other psychotic motherfuckers we got up in there,
like the Peter Bull Whears, the bar Scotts. You know
what I'm saying, Greg Jerry Johnson, you know what I'm saying,
he was like Chris Mcallison. Years later we got Dwan
Landry back, like we had guys. You know what I like,
Our personnel was crazy, you know what I'm saying. And
the only reason we only got one super Bowl is

(34:52):
because like a lot of those times, we didn't have
an offense, you know what i mean, Like we ended
up losing in the playoffs that we couldn't score. But
first time you walk in that locker room like and
you like see him and you see how he here is,
like how his day to day. First thing I noticed
about ray lewis he like always had a gallon of water.
I'm like, dude, while you walking with a gallon of

(35:12):
water for you you know what I'm saying, Like you
didn't get no gatorade, Like now you know, I gotta hydrate,
you know what I'm saying, I gotta keep everything moving
like he's the extreme professional at like all times. You
know what I'm of course, you know he lets his
hair down, you know what I'm saying, back when we
all had hair, you know what i mean, Like he
one of the guys and ship, you know what i mean,
have fun, you know what I mean? He participated. We

(35:35):
threw a racial draft, you know, like on Dave Chappelle,
like you got the draft.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
So we had one of them.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Guys on our team, and ray Lewis like the first
person he draft was the owner.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Like yeah, we're gonna tick the owner.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Were drafting the money, you know, Jared White Leason and
he get to pick all right, which one of the
brothers he gets?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know, they get it.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
It was all fun. Man, the great locker room. It
was a great locker room. It was because you know
him and there we were are leaders.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You know what I'm saying when y'all went out, was
it more Baltimore or DC DC? You can't hang out
you hang out anymore?

Speaker 6 (36:12):
What if you want to like a Baltimore club music
type Bob or something. But like like and your facilities
were in West Baltimore, right yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Yeah, like like our city like embrace like we were there.
We're there, like we're like their family members.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Right. But don't have a bad game.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Do boys see you out? Man, Like you're gonna hear
it and you're gonna be like, man, funk out of it.
Man's a game, Like, man, what the you're gonna lose it?
You know what, Like if you have a bad game,
the city gonna let you know you out there doing
that ship.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
For the wire was real.

Speaker 6 (36:46):
For sure, the wire is real. Like they didn't step
a single scene I think.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
I think definitely like HBO had to like that loute
that ship. They like, we had tone this down a
little bit, get there, you know what, but the wire
definitely real. Like Baltimore is Baltimore. You ain't got in Baltimore.
You better have your affairs in order.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
Going out in DC in Baltimore, well not Baltimore, but
DC club music was a shock to me the first
time I heard club music went out Like Baltimore club
music is different and Go Go music is wow to me.
I love it now, but like I was initially kind
of thrown back the first time I heard that type
of stuff. Was that crazy coming from Arizona to them
going out in DC and here and go go right right.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
So like you're like, what the fuck is this shit?

Speaker 5 (37:33):
This is repetitive ass like house music, you know, like
I can't I can't get no honey to this, you
know what I'm saying. But they go crazy over it,
crazy over It's like their version of chopping screw for Texas.
Their own thing that they understand and they kind of
like they feel and they getting into a good vibe

(37:56):
with it. It's like their fun party music, you know
what I mean. So, but you know, the women are
top tier.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Dm DMV women are some of the best knows.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
So you know, men, we're gonna go over the women
and we're gonna like whatever the women like to dance,
the go go boom next thing.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
You know, it's in the card next week. Pick them up, Like, yeah,
you learn how do the swing that ship dance? You
know what I'm saying, Like, oh, like yeah, man, I've
been on this ship.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Now twenty eleven, you want Defensive Player of the Year.
What was uh what was your playlists?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Sounded like?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Like, what was your what was your pregame routine as
far as like what you were listening to working out,
like getting ready for the game.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
What was in your ears?

Speaker 5 (38:37):
It was definitely fifty because remember the year of fifty.
It's two thousand and three, the year I was drafted.
That's also the year Lebron James. You know what I'm saying.
But the fifty wave was crazy, you know what I'm saying.
And he got a song on there. It's called if
I Can m H. And every time I got introduced,

(38:59):
they play it's like my theme song. Yeah, so I
would say that was definitely in my playlist like before
every game if I can't, And remember twenty eleven, like
Ray and Ed is still there, so I didn't get
introduced last, so they wasn't playing the song.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
They were playing rays song, you know, hiding here.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
But my playlist before every game, and it happened up
until my last game.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
It was fifty cents if I can't.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
Of course, like Balsa Hard that came out that year too,
bals So Hard that I watched The Throne of Jazy
Balsahar was on there. I got to think of it else.
It was twenty eleven, man, it was a good year.
It was Oh I think DJ Khalis on more than one.

(39:50):
That's two thy eleven, Ok, yeah that maybe that maybe twelve. Yeah,
it was at the end of eleven going into twelve.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Year. Yeah, like like all of them, it's all like
around that time. Around that time. It was a good time. Man.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
What was Ray Lewis and uh Ed listening to the
locker room For some reason, I feel like Edy listens
like classical jazz in the locker room.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Oh so he's uh Frankie Beverly in the maid Oh okay, Yeah,
it's a real old soul you know, Isaac Brother, I
think that's in there. Who's besides Frankie Beverly, you know,
like they play it at all the cookouts, you know,
like yeah, the band like these are all a read people.

(40:39):
You know what I'm saying, Ray, I think he more gospel.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Okay, that's hilarious listening to the guy man Ray lewis
listening to the gospel, and they'll both knocked the ship out.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
You both knocked the ship out. Will knocked the ship out.
You you know what I'm saying. And you know, probably
the best ever to do it, fire, the.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
Best ever listening to gospel music before he takes your
head off, before he put you on one of his highlights,
you know what I'm saying. So I think like I
think Ravers gospel. I think he had like you know
what was big because you know they from Florida. What's
what's big in Florida? Is I want to say, like

(41:22):
the big timers or or cash money? Yeah, like cash
money was like huge in Florida.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
And so I think he was listening to to Juvenile too, Okay,
I think he had like he started with gospel maybe
and like right before he went out because he had
to put the KPE on, you know what I'm saying,
the booth. So I think like right before he went
out and put that Juvenile at four hundred degrees on.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Four hundred.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Now twenty twelve, on your Super Bowl on your Super
Bowl run, you came back from Achilles injury. You came
back ahead of schedule. Actually, what was you doing because
to come back from you know, Achilles, as you know,
is one of the most devastating injury in sports. What
did you do to kind of like get ahead of
the schedule and return so soon? Like what was your

(42:16):
workout regimen? I know you had a crazy playlist, Like
what was you going through? What mindset was you in?

Speaker 5 (42:22):
I was like, I knew we were on the brink
and I had just one player of the year and
I just didn't want them to do it without me.
I did want them to do it without me. So
like doctor, you know, I had the best you know
foot doctor in America. You know what I'm saying. His

(42:44):
named Bob Anderson. He was like, Terrell, I understand, I
deal with this all the time. I know your athlete.
You're gonna want to do stuff. The best thing I'm
gonna tell you to do is that don't do anything.
Don't try to work out your upper body, don't try
to don't do anything for two months, he said. The
first two months you're gonna be miserable because you're gonna
be so bored laying in the bed. So I basically

(43:06):
I got a hedge of schedule by not doing anything.
I just stay still, you know what I mean, for
two months. And then he was like, I'm gonna have
you in a walking boot and then from there it's
on you. You decide how fast you come back. So
once I got in that boot, I was just working
at motherfucker every day, Like I was just overdoing it.
Like you know, they tell you, like, all right, you
got to rehab it for at least an hour, hour

(43:29):
and a half or two of fatigue. I was doing
that like two or three times a day like I was.
I was doing three of days just trying to get
it back. And that was like doing like towards the
end of the summer going into training camp, and I
was just running and I was able like once I
was able to walk, I was able to speed walk,
you know what I'm saying, and then speed walks going

(43:50):
to jogging, jogging going in like a little faster jog,
and then you next thing, you know, for you know,
you're running, you know what I'm saying, and then you
sprinting and then you gotta get your explosion back. But
then get all your football and your time in and
all that shit back. But it was just a lot
of man hours. Man, it was a lot of It
was a lot of long days and man hours, and

(44:11):
my pain tolerance had to go up, and I just
put myself through it and I was able to get back,
you know, of course, Like I got back, but I
still wasn't in the same player I was like the
year before, like able to play, but I wasn't back
to myself, like I think I didn't really fully game
back to being like myself probably to like two thousand

(44:34):
and like fourteen, like two years later.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
So it took like two years. Yeah, what's been the
key to having a career as long as you had?

Speaker 6 (44:44):
Because you know, obviously football players tend to have the
shortest professional career just off the physicality. Seventeen years at
your position is very very rare. What do you think
the key was that you were doing.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I would definitely say, like.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Like being a professional, like taking care of your body,
because like, of course, when you're young, you're ignorant, you
don't know what you don't know. You know what I'm saying.
You're not dying all the time. You know what I'm saying.
You can get it in shape in a week or
two or whatever, you know what I'm saying. But when
you get older, that shit ain't so easy, you know

(45:21):
what I'm saying. You got to watch what you eat
like all the time.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Bad enough, Like you know, being an NFL player or
a professional athlete, your year, your job is year round anyway,
you don't really get no off time, Like, yeah, the
season's off, but you're not off. You still got to train,
you still got to diet and all of that, you
know what I'm saying. So when you're younger, you get
away with being young, you know what I'm saying, Like

(45:45):
you can go hang out and still go to workout
in the morning. Then and not really affect you. You
know what I'm saying, not so much when you get older.
So when I got older, I had to cut all
that shit out. And it's like, all right, I will.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Do something.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
All right, I'll go hang out with the guys, like
on a Saturday. That way, I got Sunday to kind
of recover and go work out on Monday. So definitely
the key. Uh, you have to be the ultimate professional
if you want to have a long career. Your body
is your number one thing. You got to always take
care of your body, even the little ailments your feet,
you know what I'm saying. Like I had to start

(46:20):
getting pedicures, you know what I mean. Like I didn't
start getting massages until like my eighth or ninth year
in the league, and I was thinking, like damning this
my first four years, Like if I did, like got massages,
sports massage like my first four or five years in
the league, you know what I'm saying. And it took
like Hello, Di Nada. He'd be like, you don't get massages.

(46:43):
I was like, nah, I just never thought that God
would get one. You know what I'm saying, Oh no,
I got He gave me a massage. And it was
two girls like they besides you at the same time,
you know what I'm saying, And like, I know it
sounds like that. It's like they like stratch you and

(47:05):
turn you. Yeah, that's when. And then I got into
dry needle in like like I have a big fear
of needles. So anything concerning the needle, I'm like, I
don't know, I'm not doing it, you know what i mean.
But they started dry needling and that helps you recover fat.
Like it's painful, it hurts why you're doing it, but
the next day it's like you feel brand new.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
It's like you never you never was injured. You know
what I'm saying. You have to take care of your
body and like we're not hur's all right with that
gallon of water man.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Like took you back to the gallon.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, it took you back to the gallon.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
So like normal people should drink like a gallon of
water a day, Like athletes, we should drink like maybe
two to two and a half because we're moving and
hitting each other, you know what I'm saying. We're active
like all the time, you know what I'm saying, at
extreme rate, So definitely gallon the water.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
They got to cut out the juices and shit.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah, take care of yourself.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
Yeah, I mean, I know we're not really allowed to
talk about it, but the league just snubbed you.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
So let's get into it.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
You're talking about physical health, having a seventeen year career
and some of the things we've seen with former athletes
from Aaron Rnandez, Juju sau. Have you focused on your
brain health at all because you have had such a
long career all the time. So I know the NFL
wants to hide this and claim Hernandez was Gay's that's what.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
Player if you played at least three years, like studies
have shown, just like you know, of course, after you know,
some players pass away. Like every player that played at
least three years had like some small sword or traits
of brain damage.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
When I stopped playing, like my last year was the
twenty nineteen going into the twenty twenty season, and then.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
COVID happened, you know what I'm saying, So that weird
shit happened, and like.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
I felt my brain just kind of like you know
what I mean, I just didn't feel normal. So I
was like, all right, I know the brain's a muscle.
So I gotta get this my fucker working again.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
When you're playing football, that is taking care of your
brain because you're thinking all the time, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
But so like I had to like get this machine working.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
So I just started eating books, man, like I had
to really, I had to start.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I had to use my brain, you know what I mean,
to keep this mofucker working.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Because like it's it's real, real, like because what we
do were hitting each other with our heads at very
high speeds like repeatedly, damn, bam, bam.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
And like you said, I did for seventeen years, and
I did it, you know what I mean, over and over,
you know what I'm saying. And yeah, so like of course,
like I'm paying attention to it and I'm checking my
moods and stuff like that, but like mainly I just
try to like read, you know what I mean. I
do try to like do stuff to like get my

(50:11):
mind working. Then have to like you know, think shit, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
Is that is that something you guys talked about in
the locker room or maybe amongst retired players is that
actually like a theme players talk about it.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
It comes up like we do talk about it, like
we're not shy about it, we're not tabot and like
more so now than ever, you know what I mean.
It's like you have to be aware because like every
day you hear about some former player like clapping himself

(50:44):
in in a hotel room, you know what I'm saying,
So you gotta you know, check on you know what
I'm saying, your people, you know what I mean, Like
all of us, we all still kind of like in
our group chat like.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Check in, like yo, were good? Really you know, we
just lost Jakobe. You know what I'm saying. We just
lost Jakobe.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
So you know, they hit all of us and it
was just like you know, it's like it's letting us know,
like it reminds us that how precious time really is.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You know what I'm saying. This The biggest misconception is
thinking you have time.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
But you know what I mean, Like like I said,
like we do talk about it, and of course, like
former players talk about it because that's usually when it happens,
you know what I mean, Like when you're playing, you're
too busy, you know what I mean, you got you
got your job, and then you got your family. Then
you got your girl, and then you got your cyps
or whatever, and you got your other you know what
I mean, whatever else you got going on. You know,

(51:41):
when you're playing, it's busy, but then you you know,
you stop playing and it gets quiet, you know what
I mean. They say the mind is the devil's playing ground,
you know what I'm saying. So you gotta be alert
all of that.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
What did you think of Will Smith's accent in concussion?

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I thought it was terrible thought. I thought he did
a good job. Information got out there. I just I'm like, no,
that's not no Avacan accent. But it was like if
I tried to do one, like it wasn't that good.
It wasn't that good. But movie was good though, movie

(52:19):
was really good.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Before we get into a trivia we got we got
some questions for you before we get into that.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Two questions, Ray Lewis or Lawrence Taylor. Ray Lewis, you
answered that fast like it's been it's been.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
An ongoing thing, like you know, L T. I think
like like LT kind of.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Like I don't know, I could be wrong, but like
LT be like no, I'm I'm d linebacker, you know
what I'm saying. But I'm like LT like you had
like a little edge, you know what I'm saying, Like
you can't fock nobody.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Was gonna block him. He already was a phenomenal talent
that him. Come on, it's like somebody blocking that ship.
But you know, you know, yeah, and he was just
right yeah, but I give the edge to right, all right?

Speaker 4 (53:12):
And who is your most underrated quarterback? You faced? And
who is the most overrated quarterback?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
You face? Who's the most underrated? Who was underrated? That
was really good?

Speaker 5 (53:27):
I think Carson Palmer. Oh okay, I think Carson Palmer,
Like I don't think he.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Got his.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
His flowers because he did all his career in Cincinnati
and it wasn't that good. I think they had one
like playoff appearance in his time there and then came
down kind of like revamped his career.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Here in Phoenix.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
But like the kid, the man can make every throw,
you know, Like you put Carson Palmer like a with
a good team. Yeah he has at least three here, Like,
dude had talent, Carson Palmer overrated? Who was who was overrated?

(54:13):
I think Philip Rivers is overrated. I mean, he didn't
win any Super Bowl, So I don't think you could
save the overrade.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I don't I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
I mean like you only know the really good ones.
You know what I'm saying. You only know the really
good ones. The coach you got, you know, the guy
from Foxboro twelve, you know, you got Peyton Drew, you
know Roethlisberger.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I would say he's underrated.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
I mean he a two time you know, super Bowl winner,
played three you know what I'm saying. Like, I would
say Roethlisberger is underrated, and like like he got more
rings than Rogers. He got more rings than Breeze. You
know what I'm saying. He got like more rings than
then MARINEO. Like like when you think about it, he's

(55:03):
got like you got it as many as Peyton and Eli.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
You know what I'm saying. So I would say Roethlisberger,
he's probably the most underrated.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Next to call it.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I don't know. Yeah, the Steelers I would have to.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
Look and thinking they was like, oh this guy is that.
I'm like, he wasn't really like that. But the ones
who they say are like that, the Rogers, the Brady's. Yeah,
the man like they are like that, Like the motherfuckers
can make your your night's long. Yeah, Pat Mahomes, you

(55:47):
know what I'm saying, Like those guys. Yeah, but other
than that, like nobody really stands out. Everybody kind of
like muddles in the pack.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
I feel like in your seventeen years, you saw like
three eras of tight ends, whether it was blocking then
it was just little five to six yard routes, and
now these motherfuckers are running like Randy Moss. What was
the most annoying tight end era that you faced?

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Uh? I would probably say like the mid two thousand
to the two thousand ten the Gates. Yeah, motherfucking Kellen
Winslow Junior was a fucking problem this month. Like du
he's one of those He's one of those tight ends

(56:34):
that run routes and shit like receivers. Yeah, Like Kellen
Winslow was a problem, Like he was too fast for linebackers,
then he was too big for DB's so like the
only person that can color Kellen was Ed Reed. Why
they played college ball together, You know what I'm saying.
They part of that Canes two thousand and two thousand

(56:55):
and one, team. You know what I'm saying, So like
Kellen Winslow was a problem, Bernon Davis problem, you know
what I'm saying, Like people don't know this, but like
Delaney Walker, he was on that Super Bowl team with them,
the four to three problem, Like I can't cover them, motherfuck.
You know what I'm saying, Like them era of tight

(57:16):
ends was a problem now like Kelsey is a problem now.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I'm kettle.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
You know what I'm saying. Andrews marn I'm missing one.
There's another tight end that that's there now, Like I
can't think. But I said the the big three, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
But I mean even I mean retired, but Gronk, I
mean even Hernandez before that athletic biggest fuck, Like how
do you know?

Speaker 5 (57:44):
Gronk was big as fuck? But you know Hernandez was
was like he was a problem. He was brought to
the fuck up Like Aaron was a fucking hell of
a football player, too bad, you know he he.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Was that was his second job. You know, he was
a gangster.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
I was like, like, I forgot what just the incident
that he got called him in trouble for it. It
came out like oh you had been clapping for a minute.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
That was like his six body when once he got caught,
oh my god, like on the field, like a couple
of times, like you ain't.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Ptrearch games got real chippy and I'm like, yo, I'll
beat the funk out, like I'll kill you probably like
telling the truth when it comes out gun powder on
his head. That was just about that actually for real,
for real, He's not sucking around. He's not sucking around

(58:50):
like like we like dog, I gotta kill this guy
because he got information on two other people.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Yo.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
You you said you got drunk before the Pro Bowl.
Aaron Hernandez would smoke dust, murder somebody and then go
to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, and didn't go to the Pro Bowl and murder
people there on the field. A problem, yeah, problem.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
He had arguably the best quarterback throwing to him, like
never like them Patriot teams were a problem and because
they had that two headed monster and drunk and and
and and Hernandez.

Speaker 6 (59:37):
Yeah, I think Antonio Gates and Vernon Davis kind of
like we're the leaders into that new transition that we
have now.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
It was the two time that it was just like unfair.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Yeah, like Gates like it was real deceptive. Gates about
six two six three wasn't real big, you know what
I'm saying. It wasn't like no hass kicker in the run.
He held his own, you know what I'm saying. It
wasn't like even though push over anything like that, like
Kellen Winslow didn't block.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
At all like we do.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Like when it was run all right, boom, we're playing
ten on eleven because Kellen ain't gonna hit nobody will
block nobody. But when they was throwing that muffing that
ship was a problem and like Gates like he will
rout your ass up like real fast, like no joke,
like Gates was no joke. And Brendon Davis just had
like lightning speed. Like Brendon Davis was crazy too, like

(01:00:27):
that that era I think it is. I would give
the edge too, because like you said, they had the ground,
they had her Nandez, you know they had.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I would. I would even put Tony Gonzales in that
late era. Yeah, I'm sure era. Yeah, I would get
an edge to that to them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
All right, before we get out there, we're gonna shoot
three questions at you. I believe you have some questions
for us as well. All Right, we're gonna we're gonna
ask you a question first, and then you asked us
to see.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
How much or find out exactly how how much ball
We do not know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
So first question for you. What song won Best Rap
Song at the twenty eleven Grammys. That's the year that
you won Defensive Player of the Year. Was it a
otis jay Z and Kanye b All of the Lights?
Kanye Rihanna, Kid cutting see Black and Yellow? Was Khalifa
or d look at Me Now? Chris Brown and Bustin Rhymes.

(01:01:22):
This is for Best Rap Song at the twenty eleven Grammys.
Otis All of the Lights black and Yellow?

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Or look at Me Now.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
I want to say black and Yellow because that shit
was everywhere, but I'm gonna go with otis.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
No, it is all of the Lights. Wow, Kanye, Kanye.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
I mean that probably charted higher, but I'm with you.
You could not escape black and Yellow in twenty everywhere. Also,
you were playing the Steelers twice a year a moment,
so yeah, yeah, crazy, yeah, no, you can escape that. Actually,
matter of fact, you couldn't escape look at me now,
Chris Brown, I would say, over all the Lights you can't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Because you know, Buster had that sick verse that everybody crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
And we still don't know what he said. Sure, we
still have no idea what he said. Yeah, hell no,
you got one for us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Murdered that ship. But yeah, might going to ask y'all one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Yeah, all right, Okay, who was the quarterback of the
team we beat in the Super Bowl? In the Super
Bowl forty seven? Was it a Alex Smith, B Matt Ryan,
C PM Newton or or B Colin Kaepernick? Would you

(01:02:42):
what did you say it was?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
This was twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
It's Coline yeah, Kepernick, Yeah, Colin Kaepernick.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
It's when they turned the lights out on you niggas.
That's when they turned the lights.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
To score money.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Yeah, yeah, it got out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
They had to tell they had to unplug the whole arena, Like,
hold on, we're about to get ugly.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
We need some more time back here.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
I just want to know. I want to proud. I
think that was the first question. Mal and I both
got right in this entire Syeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
We know a little bit of ball, We know a
little bit all right, good, okay, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
What song was?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
What song was number one on the Billboard Hot one
hundred the day you won the Super Bowl with the
Ravens in twenty thirteen, was it Locked out of Heaven Bruno,
Mars Suiting, todde jay Z and Justin Timberlake thrift shot
Maclamore or.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Diamonds, Rihanna? This is for number. This was number one
on Billboard Hot one hundred the day that you won
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I would have got this wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Locked out of Heaven, Bruno, Mars, Suiting Todd, Just jay
Z and Justin Timberlake thrift shot Maclamore or Diamonds by Rihanna.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I'm only struggling with this. I want to say.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
I'm gonna just go ahead, and I'm gonna tell you why.
I'm gonna say mac Clamore because I think he beat
Kendrick that year for Best Rap Album. YEP, So I
want to say Matt Clamore.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
That is correct. You are correct. I would have win, Rihanna, Diamonds.
I was gonna go diamonds too. That would have been
my guest.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Like, of course, we were thinking about the music we
listened to and like we heard everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You know what I'm saying, especially if.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
We went out Diamonds up everywhere with the remixs and
ship so diamonds were huge. But like I said, I
remember Maclamore beating Kendall Lamar and like the world was
like what he not only had to come from somewhere.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
He not only beat Kendrick, he beat Kanye Yeesus, he
beat Drake. Nothing was the same beating Magna Carta four
classic albums, you know, And I was just like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Oh shit, I remember everybody like, what the fuck is
going on with the Grammy. I couldn't even tell you
the name of that Maclamore album. Stud can't tell you
a song on it. Never even heard.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
There was the one he said he was gay? I
remember that one that was that was that was bad ball?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
All right? Who ab I sat the most times in
my career? Was it one?

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Aaron Rodgers, two Ben Roethlisberger, three Carson Palmer or four
Tom Brady?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
All right? By elimination, I'm trying to think who you
played twice a week? So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say big.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Berg always had a good offensive line.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
I'm gonna say Big Ben.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
I'll go Carson Palmer just to have a different answer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Ben Roethlisberger, Ben, I mean you know, it's the biggest
rivalry in that division. The rivalry.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
So Ben Roethlisberger, I think I got Carson, Like, I
think Carson is like second or no, it's any Eveland
Brown's quarterback whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Whatever. You had the first pick and drafted a quarterback
and it didn't work. Yeah, yeah, he's on that. Cleveland
has always been barely good to me.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
Pause before this question, because Ben Roethlisberger was bigger than
most quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Was he tougher to sack? That just felt like a
weird question.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
He was, And like that's almost like when he became
like Ben roth Like he became better when the play
broke down, he had to break a sack and he
had to play like backyard football. Yeah, like you want
him in there just kind of playing quarterback. You don't
want him playing streetball. Ben Roethlisberger would like your ass up,

(01:06:48):
Like the only person betted at him at playing streetball.
Of course, besides Lamar Jackson is Michael Vick and those
two phenomenal fucking athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
You know what I'm saying, Like a huge complimenting quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
Pat Mahomes two. Just putting Ben Roethlisberger with r is crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Mahomes is good. Oh, I don't know what the fuck
I was thinking. Pat Mahomes is good playing fucking street football,
you know, but he's so good playing fucking pocket football too. Yeah,
like they would say, you know, playing in the pocket,
it'd be Tom Brady and and Patrick Mahomes playing pocket football.

(01:07:25):
But when you when they're getting loose and got to
make him play vig Lamar Roethlisberger.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Yeah, yeah, all.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Right, last question from us to you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Ravens fans were the first American team to popularize a
chant to this song, the White Stripes, seven Nation Army
motel Jordan, this is how we do it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
The fans ol a Ola or Queen, we will rock.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
You, White straight seven Nation Army boom. That was That's
the that was, That was there was the Raven Empire.
Absolutely balls got there from that two thousand and eight.
It's about that twenty twelve twenty thirteen run.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
That I went crazy. I could be wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:08:12):
Is the Ravens the only team that has an actual
marching band and live band after the game?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I think so? I think so. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
That was a shong team to have a mascot named
after a poem. Yeah, you know what I'm saying we're
the only team to have three different Defensive Players of
the Year drafted and play on the same team.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
So that's really to be crazy. We really so, man,
what the hell is going?

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
Maybe the first person being in Hall of Fame twice
as a player and as a GM.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Absolutely for the player and as a GM. He's had
two Hall of Fame careers.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Deserve slap the sh out you too, oh out, But
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Ozzie like you know, he liked our uncle man like
a like a real good step back. The last question
for y'all is who has the most sacks all time
as a linebacker? Lawrence Taylor, Von Miller, Jason Jason Taylor,

(01:09:17):
or Kevin.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Green most sacks all time? He said, a linebacker, Lawrence Taylor. Uh,
who else?

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Was it? Von Miller, Von Miller, Jason Taylor or Kevin Green?
I feel like I remember if Von Taylor broke he I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
I want to say Vaughn because he played so many years.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
He just laughed, So maybe I'll just take that as
a hint.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Lawrence Taylor, I'm I'm just safe, bet lt oh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I mean I did Eltie and vond go mm hmm.
Kevin Green.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Really guess that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
Wow, that's crazy. Kevin Green even that dog. Remember he
was in Pittsburgh with you know, yeah and Greg Lloyd. Yeah,
that d and then he went to Carolina dominating over
like Kevin Green was a dog.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
God damn a dog.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
That's crazy. Kevin Green has the most sacks as a
linebacker in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yeah, I would have got that wrong. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
I was gonna say Von Miller because he plays so long.
But that's crazy. Ship all right, Well fuck it. I
guess we don't know ball Roy, Hey to right, you know,
we got to right. We know we know a little
bit about ball'all do Yeah, a little bit, a little bit, Terrell.
We appreciate you man for giving us some of your
time today. Again, Man, you know, I'm kind of, you know,

(01:10:45):
fucked up that you didn't make the first ballot Hall
of Famer. But in my book, you're definitely a Hall
of Famer. There's no doubt about it. Not too many
players have played the game the way you did and
did what you did for organization like the Baltimore Ravens.
It was a pleasure watching you play, but it was
even a greater pleasure having you here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Today kicking it with us. So we appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
Man, Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. Man, it's been
the most fun podcast I've done.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Man, appreciate that. Here if I see if I got
up on my Kevin Gates. Yeah, check out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Check out Kevin Gates. Check out Kevin Man. We appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Anytime you in New York come up to the studio,
we'll do another episode. Pash out, let's do it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Appreciate you, bro, Thank

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
You all right now, I appreciate y'all.