February 8, 2025 • 39 mins
President Trump welcomed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the White House to discuss a second phase of a ceasefire deal with Hamas and the return of Israeli hostages from Gaza. The meeting also highlighted Trump's controversial proposal for the U.S. to take over and "own" the Gaza Strip. Newt’s guest is Israel Ellis, author of "The Wake Up Call: Global Jihad and the Rise of Antisemitism in a World Gone MAD." They discuss the significance of Netanyahu's visit, Trump's unwavering support for Israel, and the broader implications for peace and security in the Middle East. Ellis emphasizes the need for a tough stance against terrorism, the importance of education in eradicating hate, and the potential for Gaza to become a prosperous region. They also discuss the alarming rise of antisemitism on American campuses and the broader geopolitical challenges facing Israel and the Jewish community.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
On this episode of NEWTS World, President Trump welcomed Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin nut Yahu to the White House on Tuesday.
It was the first visit by a foreign leader in
Trump's second term. Ostensibly, the meeting was for the leaders
to discuss the negotiations for a second phase of a
ceasefire deal that would end the war with Hamas in
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return all Israeli hostages from captivity in Gaza. However, the
headlines coming from their meeting were about President Trump's proposal
for the United States quote to take over the Gaza
strip and quote own it here to discuss the meeting
and the future of Israel. I'm really pleased to welcome
my guests Israel Alice. His new book is The wake
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Up Call Global Jihad and the Rise of Anti Semitism
in a World Gone Mad and Mad by the way,
in his book is all caps. Israel. Welcome and thank
you for joining me on NEWTS World.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Thank you very much, Nuda, really very much appreciate you
having me on today.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, this is a remarkable time, since I was just
at the press conference. I've known BB since nineteen eighty
four and watching the two of them interact was fascinating.
Can you walk us through what you think made Netna
Who's visit to Washington so significant in terms of diplomatic relations.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I think that President Trump is putting his stake in
the ground, and he is declaring his incredible support for
the state of Israel, which in his first term he declared,
and he is now picking that up, and he is
making this a cornerstone of his next administration, of this
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current administration that he's now come into. He's making good
on his campaign promises. He's walking the talk. I don't
think Trump needs to pander necessarily to specifically the Jewish people.
I believe this is a moral call of what's right
is right, and he recognizes this severity of the disillusionment
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of what's happened in the past, and the fact that
we've been negotiating with terrorists and setting up, you know,
sort of a rand by itself, the proxies to go
ahead and culminate into what happened October seventh. So I'm
really encouraged in all of this sort of wokeness of
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the world that we've been living in, of this crazy
dissonance and the unreasonableness of what has been labeled the
useful idiots. It is refreshing. It is a splash of
water to finally see someone stand up and talk common
sense and say we've got to end this and we
got to move forward, and that's how we're going to
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I was very struck with the boldness of what Trump
was proposing, but also with the balance. He spoke in
a way more favorably about Palestinians as people and about
Iranians as people, putting in context that doesn't have to
be hostility, that in fact, there ought to be a
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way we could move forward by eliminating the terrorism, by
eliminating the nuclear weapons, and move towards a world where
everybody could be dramatically safer and dramatically more prosperous. And
I thought that that was a maturity that I suspect
Trump has acquired over the last eight years that makes
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him very different in that he's tougher than our most
accommodationist presidents, but at the same time he's actually trying
to find a way to relate to the very people
he's being tough with. I thought that was a very
interesting balancing act.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I agree, and it is often the leaders of these
countries that are corrupt and use their citizens as human
shields and victimize them. And they live in squalor, these people,
and to distract the world from their corruption, they use
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this sort of narrative of what they're going to do.
But Trump, I agree with you one hundred percent. What
he has done is he's humanized the situation. And I
recall where he specifically answered a reporter who is antagonizing
him and said, of course, Palestinian people, all people will
be welcome here. That's the whole point of this. And
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that was the whole point in two thousand and five
when Israel handed off the Gaza strip to Faughta at
the time, and we all know what happened and I
must took over. But the whole point was to give
the Palestinian people an opportunity at what they've been asking
for at the statehood. And of course we know what happened,
and what they've turned Gaza into, what they could have
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turned it into is a different story. And that's what
President Truffy's classic classic real estate tycoon and sort of
sees the vision. I gotta love it. I gotta love
what he says. But he's absolutely right. I've been there.
I've been to Gaza, I've been along the Mediterranean coast.
Tel Aviva is unbelievable. What they've done with Tel Aviv
and the boardwalk and the hotels, and it's just beautiful,
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the beaches. There's no reason why you can't have that
in Gaza. Gaza could be the riviera of the Middle
East and cater to all these people. It could facilitate
thousands of jobs and coexistence and peace. But you know,
without respect and without the education and removing the syllabus
of hate, it's going to be a difficult challenge to
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achieve that. I like what you're saying, and I like
Trump's attitude of the Iranians are people. I know many Persians.
They're wonderful people, very intelligent. But the Iranian region is evil.
And I'm sure that there are gass there Palestinis that
just want to live their lives, to have good lives,
just like anybody else out there. But there are the
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corrupt leadership that uses these people as human shields. And
that's the most terrible result and tragic result of much
of this that's happened.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You raise, I think two very different points. If we
just stick with Gazer from it. One is how do
we go in in a very tough minded way, for example,
and eliminate all of the hatred from the school system.
We do not suffy Germany in a very aggressive way.
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And we almost need to recognize that it's not just
Hamas as a military force, but it's the psychology of
Hamas and the psychology of hatred that has to be
driven out at the same time. If we can find
a way to do that, and that's one project. If
we think about the point you made about Gaza at
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the same point that Trump made, which is, if you
take the natural gas offshore, which probably is a valuable
enough that by itself could pay for a great deal
of the reconstruction, if you actually had safety, so you
would have a riviera. I'm certain that as a real
estate guy, Trump looked at the current disaster in Gaza.
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In the back of his head, he's thinking, Okay, the
Trump golf courses will go over here, the Trump Beachfront
hotel will be over here. I felt like I was
listening to a guy who's right at the edge of
a real estate deal, rather than dealing with a guy
who's just thinking politically. But that's part of his.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Genius, probably a great investment.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I've talked to him about it. He's absolutely convinced that
properly developed Gaza will be one of the highest points
of return. Israelis have a forty four thousand dollars a
year per capita income. Before the war, Gaza was a
little above one thousand.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well a thousand for people who didn't work for Unra.
Unra pays its employees, many of them Hamas operatives, about
two hundred and thirty five thousand US year. My son
is an IDEF that was in the IDF, an active
service in Gaza, and he would call me from the
mansions that belonged to the Hamas operatives where they were stationed,
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and he'd say, Dad, I don't think for a second,
this is just such third world I got to tell
you what we found here. And he went through. He
showed me a lot of the stuff, state of the
art audio systems, flat screen TVs, gorgeous Mediterranean side mansions
were looking so good when he was there, but would
have looked really good at some point. I mean, yeah,
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there's a lot of corruption there. Why don't address what
you just said though about what do we need to
move forward? And answer of the education. If I can
just touch on that for a minute. First of all,
there can be in the short term, absolutely no compromise,
and it comes to demilitarizing the Gaza strip and Hamas
must go. They must be outlawed. They are a terrorist organization,
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They're a bad faith actor. You cannot believe anything they say.
They are terrorists and they have to go. They cannot
remain in control. I do agree in an international or
in some kind of effort to bring in slowly, to
bring in a government, a local government of some kind.
And I think that we have to be draconian about
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our efforts over there. There can be no compromise. There
is no negotiation. This current hostage deal that's being done
is being done because it has to be done. But
you know, you're dealing with the lovers of death. And
I talk about that in the wake Up Call, the
lovers of life versus the lovers of death. And yes,
you know here we are in Western civilization. And that
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is actually why the Maad is capitalized on my book,
because we have grown up, as you know, Nude, We've
grown up in this theory, this political theory of mutually
shared destruction. When it came to the East and West
pagemonic battle for control over the world. It's always been about, hey,
if we build up enough arms to take them up,
and they build enough arms to take us out, no
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one's going to push the button. But that thinking, that
leverage of human life, the value that we give to
human life, does not apply to these jihadis, and that
is a key point that Western civilization needs to understand. So, yes,
we have to completely wipe out Hamas and there can
be no terrorism. And you're going to have to deal
with Iran because Iran is funding this, and we have
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to set rules for proxies like countries like Qatar that
is pouring billions of dollars into this, that have facilitated it.
That's a whole other subject. But we must deal with
the head of the snake here because as long as
they're dealt with, they will continue to provide terror proxies
to unsettle any plans. And I want to talk about
education because it's not just the education of the syllabus
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of hate that's happening in Gas. Of course, that's happening,
and kids from a very young age are taught terrible
untruths about Israel. And are taught about violence and about
everything of a genocidal intent and sacrificing their lives to
this cause. And this is an edict coming from a
much higher source. But also in America, also in any
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free world. We've got it on Australia and Europe and Canada,
especially Canada, and in America, we need to legislatively define
what hate is. We need to finally put our foot
down and say when you go ahead and have slogans
of genocide, slogans that ultimately are a cover up for genocide,
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that needs to be outlawed. And I know it's controversial
because it's definitely going to conflict with the First Amendment,
with the whole thing of freedom of speech. And I
get that, but they have used freedom of speech against
our moral compass to instigate this syllaba of hate that
is used to promote violence against Jewish people. But it's
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not just violence against Jewish people because the Jihadis. The
Jihadis have no there are no rules to who they
take out. On January first, in New Orleans, we saw
a truck cloud through a lot of people, Christians, jude Muslims.
It doesn't matter who they are. It's indiscriminate, the collateral
damages of no consequence. What matters is the global message
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of violence to take over the world, and that's what
people need to understand what's at stake. So yes, we
have to go in. We have to define hate, we
have to outlaw hate, and we have to encourage or
legislate or somehow supervise. I think anyways, the syllabus that
we're teaching our children, because it happens with our children,
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it happens at a very young age where we must,
like you said, in Europe, we denacified Germany. That is
exactly what needs to happen here, and it has to
happen with a heavy hand. And I think President Trump
might be the right guy to at least get that started.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Were you surprised by the scale of anti Semitism on
the American campuses?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I was shocked. I was blown away. I was completely betrayed.
I cannot believe not only the speed by which it happened,
nude I left for Europe on October eighth, and I
went on a tour for some business to several different cities,
and I couldn't believe the speed in which the protests.
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It was like it was all planned, it was all staged,
ready to launch. And many of these people that are
on these campuses are not students. They're busted in. They're
paid for by organizations that have for years fact acronyms
like bds, like boycott, investment and sanctions. DEI components have
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come in there. People think that they're joining this as
social justice warriors, when in fact it's just unbridled hate
and anti semitism. And when you have three of the
presidents of the most prestigious universities in America go before
Congress under oath and when asked if anything that's going
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on jeopardizes the safety of the Jewish students on campus,
and they say undeniably no, and they say that is
yet to be determined. It is an embarrassment. It is
a shameful thing to America. But not only watching the
speed in which these encampments and protests have taken place,
that's not the shocking thing. The shocking thing is the
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betrayal and the inability and the hesitation by the very
people who protect our social contract, by the public administration
of justice and by the policing mechanisms that are in
place to keep social order to stand by and to
just allow this to happen without our leaders speaking up
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strongly about it, and in fact, by doing so, the
apathy has encouraged, the complacency has endorsed, and the actions
have rationalized and justified this continued type of anti semitism.
This is what happened in the nineteen thirties, and this
is what's now shockingly happening in twenty twenty four, in
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twenty twenty five. And so you asked me if I
was shocked, I have to tell you something new, to
be honest with you. I grew up disillusioned. I grew
up as a Canadian. I felt safe, I felt privileged,
I felt protected. I felt that I was under a
social contract that worried about every one of the diversified,
multicultural citizens of this country. And I was shocked and betrayed.
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I felt complete betrayal as a Jewish person. I felt
totally betrayed by my own government. I felt unwelcome in
my own home. And I suspect that many many people
have felt the same way. And I talk about this
in the wake Up Call because I just had to
get it out, and I articulate that for people who
feel that type of isolation.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Do you think that it's as bad in Europe.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think it's worse at the risk of sounding is Lamophobic,
because we have to stop that, you know, we have
to stop being worried about what we sound like. I've encountered,
like the Muslim radical ideology and jihadism that has infected
Europe has screwed Europe. I mean demographically it's well over
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the percentage. If they don't knit this, I don't know
how they're going to save themselves. But I would say
that Europe is definitely at much greater risk radicalization. You've
got complete neighborhoods that are under Sharia law that the
regular police will not even enter into with they warn
you not to come into. But it's coming to America
and it's coming to Canada. I got to tell you
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that there is an artery here in Toronto that is
access to a highway called the four oh one that
is just on the outskirts of a Jewish area, predominantly
Jewish area in North York. And when I approached that
on ramp and there was protesters with flags with flags
saying from the River to the Sea, which is a
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genocidal intent. For sure. The mantra that has come up,
amongst many others have come up and a police officer
and I'm seeing them serve coffee to the protesters, and
a police officer comes out to me and says, sir,
I think you should turn around, and I think you
should go back to where you came from. This is
too unsafe for you. I was like, what are you
talking about? I was incredilist. We have a beautiful mall
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downtown in Toronto called the Eaton Center, and there's a
store that's available in America as well called Zaras, and
for some reason, I don't know exactly what the reason was.
I think it was some kind of advertising that offended
the pro Palestinian segment. And people wear masked and they're
masked when they protest. They've got these kafas and they
hide their faces and they're intimidating and they're violent. The
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guy comes up to the police officer and right in
his face, he says, I'm going to take you six
feet under man. Because the officer was trying to keep
order and protect the store, and they did nothing. They
allowed this guy to just spew out this type of
threat against police. I don't know, but in America, you
go up to an officer of the law and you
threaten to kill them. I think you're going down. I
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think you're going down.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well you should be.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, it's absolutely unacceptable. So the narrative, the narrative that's
come out of this what I call the lawlessness and
anarchy that has really been birthed by the events of
October seventh the aftermath. But it's the complacency that has
given license to the rise in anti Semitism. That is
what scares me more than anything else new. And I'm
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glad to see the turnaround. I'm glad to see President
Trump has called it what it is. He's revamping the
education system, and he's calling it out. And I really
felt like, for once in a long time, I felt like, Ah,
I could breathe. I could breathe. This craziness and this
lunacy of what we've experienced in the previous administration and
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disillusionment of the liberal left, wocism is starting to crumble
and fade away, and it's no longer in favor.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Let me switch for a second. The October seventh attack,
which has been described as the worst military break on
Israel's history and certainly the largest assault on the Jewish
community since the Holocaust. How mud such an attack have happened?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That very single question is on the tip of everyone's
tongue everywhere where I've been, and it was the impetus
for me running this book because on January, when I
traveled to Israel in twenty twenty four, after my son
I was supposed to go before, right after October seventh,
I told I'm coming. He's like, Dad, do not come.
I don't need to be worried about you here. I've
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got a job to do, and you and mom need
to stay where you are. Please do not come here.
It was very difficult to hear that and very scary
at the same time. But I understood it and I
respected it. I didn't want to distract him. And when
we came in January, one of the first things I
did is because I just couldn't understand, Like you, I
asked the same question. Everyone asked the same questions, how
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did this happen? I phoned up a military contact of mine.
I've got several contacts in the IDF, and I've got
permission to go into the border of Gaza, and I
said to them, I want to walk from the border
that was breached in Gaza by Nahalas, which is where
the greatest amount of damage was done to that base.
And that was my son's base at one time, and
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I wanted to walk from there to be and I
walked it and it took me under forty minutes to
walk it. And you can imagine these terrists, five thousand
terraces that took two years to develop this plan, were
on bikes, motorbikes and hand gliders and pickup trucks, so
it only took them about fifteen minutes to travel that
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two kilometers. And I wanted to travel this. And let
me tell you something. The land between Gaza, between the
border and between bay Area is beautiful, idyllic land. It's
rolling hills, it's wonderful, people have picnics. It's park area,
it's conservation area. You're not talking about desert here. It's
beautifully maintain land. And they made their way there. When
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I went to Bay Arie, I walked inside the area
which is the key butts where many people were brutally
murdered on that day, where people were kidnapped, and I
saw the bullet holes. In fact, and I walked in
there and I saw stains on the streets. But the
worst thing was new was that there was a green
tent set up on a playground, on a children's playground,
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where you had a rabbi, where you had archaeologists, and
where you had doctors, and you know what they were doing.
They were sifting through the ashes and running them through
DNA so that Jewish people wouldn't be buried alongside those
that murdered them. And I just I lost it. And
that night I went back to my Tel Aviv apartment.
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My wife and I had gone to the hospital Atoschamer
to talk with many of the survivors of the Nova
festival who are now amputees and terribly disfigured, and we
went to try to just speak to them and let
them know that we're here. We do that regularly. And
I went back and I went to sleep that night.
I was exhausted. I got up at four in the
morning and I was in a cold sweat, and I
sat at my computer as I overlooked the Tel Aviv
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skyline that was just starting to wake up, and I
started to cry. I cried for humanity, I cried for
the devastation and the brutality that can come to this.
I don't care about the politics. I don't care about
what is the background for this, But the fact is
that that type of brutalization not only does it happen,
but that people are out in the streets rationalizing it.
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Women were raped, children were beheaded, people were kidnapped. They
are being used as human shields, human life being commoditized
for terrorist purposes, and we are forced to negotiate with
those terrorists. And I cried, and on my computer screet
I wrote, how the same question you just asked me?
And I sat there and over the course of a night,
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I felt a calling, and I felt seven observations that
I made, And that is what the book is about,
the seven observations that I made to the answer the
observations that I paused as to the how of October
seventh having happened. And I could tell you those observations,
but the entire book is based on it. And so
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if you asked me, it's not a simple question. You know,
in the Old Testament, when someone came to Rabbi Hillel
and said, can you please, it explained to me the
entire Testament he said, I can't do that on one foot,
but I'll tell you what, and this has to apply
to us today. He says, if you love your fellow
man as you would yourself, if you have respect for
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each other, that will solve all the world problems. One
of the seventh reasons that I come up with in
the observations I made is disunity in the world, disunity
between people, the fact that we've lost our way and
that we allowed something like this to happen because Israel
was put into such a situation to be manipulated by
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the outside interests of other countries, of other leaders, and
to have to end up with a negotiating policy, a
policy of prosperity for peace, so that they would turn
a blind eye to the very people who are terrorists,
who have proven themselves a terrorists as they spent two
years to plan out this attack. That is the a
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terrible tragedy of this. The fact that we have organizations
that claim to be legitimate organizations that to govern the
social contract, if you will, of the world, like the
United Nations, who have abused and betrayed the very principle
by which they are supposed to stand. And we need
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a reset of all of that, but seven observations that
I made in the wake up Call, which include the
East West battle for dominance. I think this thing goes
seventy five years back. I think a lot of ideologies
were developed that have kind of brought this forward. Non
state terror proxies I've talked about Iran. Iran is the
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head of the snake. The Iranian regime has proxies, including
has Balah, including Hamas, including the Huti, and including many
others lined up to do their bidding with funding from
Qatar and from other areas. That's got to stop the
funding of terrorism to the tune of two billion dollars
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that went into the Gaza strip, including Yunra a budget
of one point six billion dollars. Let me tell you Anon,
terrorism is big business. We know that there's people at
the top of the food chain who are more than
happy to let young people die and kill themselves and
kill others. But these guys, they got beautiful investments in
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the West. They've got good wealth managers. Probably it's some
Jewish wealth manager is probably managing their cash and stuff
making investments for them. It's terrible anyways, funding of terrorism.
The Palestinian refugee crisis is a non crisis in my opinion.
I explain why in the book. It's the biggest gaff.
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It's the victimization of the Palestinian people. There is no
refugee crisis and the syllabus of hate, which I've already
talked about. Israel's political system does not meet the needs
of its masters today. Israel's political system does not serve
the heterogeneous society that Israel has become. We have to
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change that. Israel does not have a constitution, it does
not have two houses, it does not have a proper
electoral system. That must be changed because the people are
not being properly represented, and minority interests tend to be
driving the policies of the country. And finally, Jewish disunity
we've gone through. Our enemies were watching and it says
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something about Israel, and it says something about the democracy
of Israel and the fact that Israel is the only
place in the Middle East where people could rally and
can demonstrate against the government without fear of reprisal, without
fear of imprisonment, without fear of violence. But yet the
world watched as the Jews were divided. Because the world
holds us holds the Jewish people at a higher standard.
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Perhaps that our enemies were also watching. And as the
Good Book will tell you, is the Old Testament to
tell you. When Moses brought the people into Israel, he
made a declary, very very simple. If you observe the
way of the land, then you will be safe from
your enemies. But as soon as you don't observe the
way of the land, which we call in Hebrew aras.
As soon as you do not observe the way of
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the land, your enemies will notice, they will come and
they will destroy you. And what is the way of
the land I set up before. It's respect for each other,
the root of the way of land as respect. Those
are the seven observations I made new.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Why does Starter get away with being such a center
of supporting terrorism.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
My son says something that made me fall off the chair.
He said, there is no allah when you own a bagatti.
And I think that these guys, they're in business. It's
big business terrorism, and they've got intro that are going
to benefit from an unstable Middle East where they're sort
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of seen as the negotiator, as the gatekeeper. I really
don't know enough you know. I've been to Bahrain, I've
been to Dubai, I've been to the area over there.
I've not been to Qatar. But they have become a
safe haven to situation themselves as a broker between the terrorists,
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and it's really doing the deal with the devil. But
how they get away with it, that's not a question
for me to answer.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
But it seems to me that's a place where the
Trump approach could change them overnight.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And I think that they're probably worried about that too,
and they're pivoting. They're pivoting because they're not stupid people,
and they realize, just like all these corporations that came
to sit by the king at the inauguration, they realize
where their bread is buttered. Trump started in his first
administration courageously enough. I think the abram Accords, we're heroic
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and they continue to be the guiding light for peace
in the Middle East. I've been in business many years.
I've been a writer, have been involved many things, and
there's one thing I've learned. You've got to move forward.
You've got to move forward. And you've got a few
years on me, a little bit more experience, and I
don't know if you'd agree with.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Me absolutely, and if you watch Trump, that's his entire style.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And I agree, we need to move forward. Okay, I'm
not suggesting or minimizing at all, but you know, I
wrote another book before this book called Moving through Walls,
where I talked about grief and I talked about injustice.
And I say to people that you have three times
that you can talk about the injustice. At the fourth time,
you become a victim, and you need to move forward,
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and you need to change the narrative, and you need
to become a hero of your own story. I cannot
even imagine the pain and suffering of people who are
affected by war, affected by terrorism, affected by everything. And
I'm talking about the people within Gaza just as much
as i'm talking about the people within Israel. And I'm
not talking about sides here. I'm talking about human suffering,
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human suffering that happens at the hands of powerful people.
And I can imagine that. But we can't perpetuate the violence.
Violence long term will not work. We need to find
a place, a middle ground. We need to find love,
we need to find peace, and we do that through
prosperity and Trump knows this. Feed people. Give them a future,
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give their children a future, give them an opportunity to
be educated. We need to remove the terror, the Jihadahs,
the violence. We need to cut the head of the
snake right off, and we need to move forward. And
that is what President Trump is doing. I've got to
provide in the accolades. He deserves the credit he deserves
despite the man himself. Okay, and we all know the
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trump Ism, but he's doing what needs to be done,
the hard work, and he's playing it straight, straight and
cannon to the point. And we need that now in
a world we need saving.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
How off for a slight modification what you just said,
you need understanding and love and support. Immediately after victory,
we had to beat Nazi Germany and then denocify. We
have to destroy Hamas and then treat the Palestinian people
much better than they've been treated. We have to break
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the theocratic dictatorship and then deal with the Iranian people
as they should be. But there is a component of
first making sure that the people want to kill you
can't otherwise nothing works.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I completely agree with you, k Newton, and I appreciate
your wisdom, and you're absolutely right. It is a hard
reality that we have to face that. Like I said before,
we have to be draconian in the short term, and
that's correct. There can be no compromise. There can be
no compromise.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well, it's really a variation of something Churchill had said
that you have to have victory, but then you have
to have generosity.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And compassion and empathy and understanding. And we have to
implement that right away. We learned about that when we're
in sports. In my coach, we'd win a game and
the first thing you got to do is shake the
hands of the people you went against. I think that
that is a hard thing to do. That is a
very hard thing to do, and we're going to need
some very mature discipline.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
One of the greatest weaknesses of Israel, which I've talked
to out a lot for twenty years, is you have
to have a vision of a future in which peace
and prosperity and safety are possible for everybody in the region.
And so you have to have a larger vision than
just stopping Amas. You have to have a vision of
a Palestinian future that somehow offers them a sense of
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hope and something better than killing this is.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Where I come to with respect to Israel's political system,
is that the voice of reason is lost in the
radicalization of people on the right. And what you're saying
is something that many people within the center of the
political spectrum agree with, and I would say the majority
of the people agree with. We want to live peacefully,
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and we want to live beside our neighbors peacefully. The
idea of this constant stress of violence needs to be
removed from our future. And you're absolutely correct. It is
a weakness and it's a weakness of Israel that is
designed by the very fact that we have a political
system where we must negotiate and form governments through negotiations
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with those who represents the smallest of minority in the country.
And I'm going to say this, and maybe it's unpopular,
and it's not that I'm a peace nick and I'm
not a political person, but I'm just a theorist. I'm
a political theorist, and I see it, and you're absolutely regnant.
You've got the wisdom and definitely, from the experience of
many years of having seen this repeat itself over and
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over again, the only long term solution is going to
be education is going to be peace is going to
be respect is going to be understanding, and it's the
art of the deal. And Trump will say this, and
I've heard it, and it's what I bring into my
business as well. When you negotiate a deal, you got
a negotiated deal, and propose the deal that you would
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accept if you were on the other side, because that's
a true partnership. So once the violence is gone, once
we're able to eliminate the threat, we can't take our
foot and put it on the chest of those and
subjugate them. Otherwise we do continue the cycle of violence.
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We need to step back and we need to offer
them a deal of life. The problem, though, Newt and
this is the problem, the impossible situation that we're in
is that these are the lovers of death. They believe
in this martyrdom. They believe in the idea that there
are seventy two versions awaiting them. They believe that martyrdom
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is there. Rizond to trust to life, and we have
to remove that from the education of the young people
from kindergarten. And we need the these children to understand,
we need them to become lovers of life. So the
real challenge here is being able to change the attitude
of the lovers from death to the lover's life. Because
as long as you have the lovers of death, and
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as long as you have unreasonable people out there who
in the name of social justice and whatever other disillusionment
that they're marching for, as long as the unreasonableness continues,
as long as we support the lovers of death and
rationalize these idiots, these terrible people as resistance fighters. Okay,
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as long as we do that and not call it
what it is, then it's going to be very difficult
to get to a deal where we give our partners
what they want, because you need a partner in good faith.
You need to have that reasonableness there. So once that's there,
for sure, that is what we need to do. But
how do we get there is the question.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
All right, and that's one of the great challenges of
our time Israel. I want to thank you for joining me.
Your new book, The Wake Up Call, Global Jihad and
the Rise of Anti Semitism, A World Going Mad is
available now on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere, and we're
going to feature a linked to buy it on our
show page. And I really appreciate you sharing with us
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your vision, your concerns, and we certainly hope that your
son remains safe in his mission and the Israeli defense
for us.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Thank you very much, Nut, God bless you, and I
really appreciate the opportunity to come here and to spread
some of my wisdom and what I've learned. And I
really truly hope that people will purchase the book and
please review the book. We need your reviews. The book
is designed to provide information, well researched, well cited information.
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It's written in my voice. It's a story that weaves
through the reality of the situation in the region, and
it provides and answers. The last chapter of the book, Nude,
is on healing. It's a chapter of healing, and I
talk about how do we heal, how do we move
forward into the future so that we can live in
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a world of peace. And I hope people take it
to heart. I hope they take the message to heart,
and I hope they live the message because if we
all live the message, then we'll have a different world
that we can leave to our children.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Well. I hope your prayers are answered.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Thank you, new.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Thank you to my guest Israel Ellis, you can get
a link to buy his new book, The Wake Upcall
on our show page at newsworld dot com. News World
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On this episode of NEWTS World, President Trump welcomed Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin nut Yahu to the White House on Tuesday.
It was the first visit by a foreign leader in
Trump's second term. Ostensibly, the meeting was for the leaders
to discuss the negotiations for a second phase of a
ceasefire deal that would end the war with Hamas in
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return all Israeli hostages from captivity in Gaza. However, the
headlines coming from their meeting were about President Trump's proposal
for the United States quote to take over the Gaza
strip and quote own it here to discuss the meeting
and the future of Israel. I'm really pleased to welcome
my guests Israel Alice. His new book is The wake
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Up Call Global Jihad and the Rise of Anti Semitism
in a World Gone Mad and Mad by the way,
in his book is all caps. Israel. Welcome and thank
you for joining me on NEWTS World.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Thank you very much, Nuda, really very much appreciate you
having me on today.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, this is a remarkable time, since I was just
at the press conference. I've known BB since nineteen eighty
four and watching the two of them interact was fascinating.
Can you walk us through what you think made Netna
Who's visit to Washington so significant in terms of diplomatic relations.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I think that President Trump is putting his stake in
the ground, and he is declaring his incredible support for
the state of Israel, which in his first term he declared,
and he is now picking that up, and he is
making this a cornerstone of his next administration, of this
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current administration that he's now come into. He's making good
on his campaign promises. He's walking the talk. I don't
think Trump needs to pander necessarily to specifically the Jewish people.
I believe this is a moral call of what's right
is right, and he recognizes this severity of the disillusionment
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of what's happened in the past, and the fact that
we've been negotiating with terrorists and setting up, you know,
sort of a rand by itself, the proxies to go
ahead and culminate into what happened October seventh. So I'm
really encouraged in all of this sort of wokeness of
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the world that we've been living in, of this crazy
dissonance and the unreasonableness of what has been labeled the
useful idiots. It is refreshing. It is a splash of
water to finally see someone stand up and talk common
sense and say we've got to end this and we
got to move forward, and that's how we're going to
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I was very struck with the boldness of what Trump
was proposing, but also with the balance. He spoke in
a way more favorably about Palestinians as people and about
Iranians as people, putting in context that doesn't have to
be hostility, that in fact, there ought to be a
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way we could move forward by eliminating the terrorism, by
eliminating the nuclear weapons, and move towards a world where
everybody could be dramatically safer and dramatically more prosperous. And
I thought that that was a maturity that I suspect
Trump has acquired over the last eight years that makes
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him very different in that he's tougher than our most
accommodationist presidents, but at the same time he's actually trying
to find a way to relate to the very people
he's being tough with. I thought that was a very
interesting balancing act.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I agree, and it is often the leaders of these
countries that are corrupt and use their citizens as human
shields and victimize them. And they live in squalor, these people,
and to distract the world from their corruption, they use
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this sort of narrative of what they're going to do.
But Trump, I agree with you one hundred percent. What
he has done is he's humanized the situation. And I
recall where he specifically answered a reporter who is antagonizing
him and said, of course, Palestinian people, all people will
be welcome here. That's the whole point of this. And
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that was the whole point in two thousand and five
when Israel handed off the Gaza strip to Faughta at
the time, and we all know what happened and I
must took over. But the whole point was to give
the Palestinian people an opportunity at what they've been asking
for at the statehood. And of course we know what happened,
and what they've turned Gaza into, what they could have
(05:05):
turned it into is a different story. And that's what
President Truffy's classic classic real estate tycoon and sort of
sees the vision. I gotta love it. I gotta love
what he says. But he's absolutely right. I've been there.
I've been to Gaza, I've been along the Mediterranean coast.
Tel Aviva is unbelievable. What they've done with Tel Aviv
and the boardwalk and the hotels, and it's just beautiful,
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the beaches. There's no reason why you can't have that
in Gaza. Gaza could be the riviera of the Middle
East and cater to all these people. It could facilitate
thousands of jobs and coexistence and peace. But you know,
without respect and without the education and removing the syllabus
of hate, it's going to be a difficult challenge to
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achieve that. I like what you're saying, and I like
Trump's attitude of the Iranians are people. I know many Persians.
They're wonderful people, very intelligent. But the Iranian region is evil.
And I'm sure that there are gass there Palestinis that
just want to live their lives, to have good lives,
just like anybody else out there. But there are the
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corrupt leadership that uses these people as human shields. And
that's the most terrible result and tragic result of much
of this that's happened.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
You raise, I think two very different points. If we
just stick with Gazer from it. One is how do
we go in in a very tough minded way, for example,
and eliminate all of the hatred from the school system.
We do not suffy Germany in a very aggressive way.
(06:42):
And we almost need to recognize that it's not just
Hamas as a military force, but it's the psychology of
Hamas and the psychology of hatred that has to be
driven out at the same time. If we can find
a way to do that, and that's one project. If
we think about the point you made about Gaza at
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the same point that Trump made, which is, if you
take the natural gas offshore, which probably is a valuable
enough that by itself could pay for a great deal
of the reconstruction, if you actually had safety, so you
would have a riviera. I'm certain that as a real
estate guy, Trump looked at the current disaster in Gaza.
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In the back of his head, he's thinking, Okay, the
Trump golf courses will go over here, the Trump Beachfront
hotel will be over here. I felt like I was
listening to a guy who's right at the edge of
a real estate deal, rather than dealing with a guy
who's just thinking politically. But that's part of his.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Genius, probably a great investment.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I've talked to him about it. He's absolutely convinced that
properly developed Gaza will be one of the highest points
of return. Israelis have a forty four thousand dollars a
year per capita income. Before the war, Gaza was a
little above one thousand.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well a thousand for people who didn't work for Unra.
Unra pays its employees, many of them Hamas operatives, about
two hundred and thirty five thousand US year. My son
is an IDEF that was in the IDF, an active
service in Gaza, and he would call me from the
mansions that belonged to the Hamas operatives where they were stationed,
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and he'd say, Dad, I don't think for a second,
this is just such third world I got to tell
you what we found here. And he went through. He
showed me a lot of the stuff, state of the
art audio systems, flat screen TVs, gorgeous Mediterranean side mansions
were looking so good when he was there, but would
have looked really good at some point. I mean, yeah,
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there's a lot of corruption there. Why don't address what
you just said though about what do we need to
move forward? And answer of the education. If I can
just touch on that for a minute. First of all,
there can be in the short term, absolutely no compromise,
and it comes to demilitarizing the Gaza strip and Hamas
must go. They must be outlawed. They are a terrorist organization,
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They're a bad faith actor. You cannot believe anything they say.
They are terrorists and they have to go. They cannot
remain in control. I do agree in an international or
in some kind of effort to bring in slowly, to
bring in a government, a local government of some kind.
And I think that we have to be draconian about
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our efforts over there. There can be no compromise. There
is no negotiation. This current hostage deal that's being done
is being done because it has to be done. But
you know, you're dealing with the lovers of death. And
I talk about that in the wake Up Call, the
lovers of life versus the lovers of death. And yes,
you know here we are in Western civilization. And that
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is actually why the Maad is capitalized on my book,
because we have grown up, as you know, Nude, We've
grown up in this theory, this political theory of mutually
shared destruction. When it came to the East and West
pagemonic battle for control over the world. It's always been about, hey,
if we build up enough arms to take them up,
and they build enough arms to take us out, no
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one's going to push the button. But that thinking, that
leverage of human life, the value that we give to
human life, does not apply to these jihadis, and that
is a key point that Western civilization needs to understand. So, yes,
we have to completely wipe out Hamas and there can
be no terrorism. And you're going to have to deal
with Iran because Iran is funding this, and we have
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to set rules for proxies like countries like Qatar that
is pouring billions of dollars into this, that have facilitated it.
That's a whole other subject. But we must deal with
the head of the snake here because as long as
they're dealt with, they will continue to provide terror proxies
to unsettle any plans. And I want to talk about
education because it's not just the education of the syllabus
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of hate that's happening in Gas. Of course, that's happening,
and kids from a very young age are taught terrible
untruths about Israel. And are taught about violence and about
everything of a genocidal intent and sacrificing their lives to
this cause. And this is an edict coming from a
much higher source. But also in America, also in any
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free world. We've got it on Australia and Europe and Canada,
especially Canada, and in America, we need to legislatively define
what hate is. We need to finally put our foot
down and say when you go ahead and have slogans
of genocide, slogans that ultimately are a cover up for genocide,
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that needs to be outlawed. And I know it's controversial
because it's definitely going to conflict with the First Amendment,
with the whole thing of freedom of speech. And I
get that, but they have used freedom of speech against
our moral compass to instigate this syllaba of hate that
is used to promote violence against Jewish people. But it's
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not just violence against Jewish people because the Jihadis. The
Jihadis have no there are no rules to who they
take out. On January first, in New Orleans, we saw
a truck cloud through a lot of people, Christians, jude Muslims.
It doesn't matter who they are. It's indiscriminate, the collateral
damages of no consequence. What matters is the global message
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of violence to take over the world, and that's what
people need to understand what's at stake. So yes, we
have to go in. We have to define hate, we
have to outlaw hate, and we have to encourage or
legislate or somehow supervise. I think anyways, the syllabus that
we're teaching our children, because it happens with our children,
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it happens at a very young age where we must,
like you said, in Europe, we denacified Germany. That is
exactly what needs to happen here, and it has to
happen with a heavy hand. And I think President Trump
might be the right guy to at least get that started.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Were you surprised by the scale of anti Semitism on
the American campuses?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I was shocked. I was blown away. I was completely betrayed.
I cannot believe not only the speed by which it happened,
nude I left for Europe on October eighth, and I
went on a tour for some business to several different cities,
and I couldn't believe the speed in which the protests.
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It was like it was all planned, it was all staged,
ready to launch. And many of these people that are
on these campuses are not students. They're busted in. They're
paid for by organizations that have for years fact acronyms
like bds, like boycott, investment and sanctions. DEI components have
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come in there. People think that they're joining this as
social justice warriors, when in fact it's just unbridled hate
and anti semitism. And when you have three of the
presidents of the most prestigious universities in America go before
Congress under oath and when asked if anything that's going
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on jeopardizes the safety of the Jewish students on campus,
and they say undeniably no, and they say that is
yet to be determined. It is an embarrassment. It is
a shameful thing to America. But not only watching the
speed in which these encampments and protests have taken place,
that's not the shocking thing. The shocking thing is the
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betrayal and the inability and the hesitation by the very
people who protect our social contract, by the public administration
of justice and by the policing mechanisms that are in
place to keep social order to stand by and to
just allow this to happen without our leaders speaking up
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strongly about it, and in fact, by doing so, the
apathy has encouraged, the complacency has endorsed, and the actions
have rationalized and justified this continued type of anti semitism.
This is what happened in the nineteen thirties, and this
is what's now shockingly happening in twenty twenty four, in
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twenty twenty five. And so you asked me if I
was shocked, I have to tell you something new, to
be honest with you. I grew up disillusioned. I grew
up as a Canadian. I felt safe, I felt privileged,
I felt protected. I felt that I was under a
social contract that worried about every one of the diversified,
multicultural citizens of this country. And I was shocked and betrayed.
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I felt complete betrayal as a Jewish person. I felt
totally betrayed by my own government. I felt unwelcome in
my own home. And I suspect that many many people
have felt the same way. And I talk about this
in the wake Up Call because I just had to
get it out, and I articulate that for people who
feel that type of isolation.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Do you think that it's as bad in Europe.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I think it's worse at the risk of sounding is Lamophobic,
because we have to stop that, you know, we have
to stop being worried about what we sound like. I've encountered,
like the Muslim radical ideology and jihadism that has infected
Europe has screwed Europe. I mean demographically it's well over
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the percentage. If they don't knit this, I don't know
how they're going to save themselves. But I would say
that Europe is definitely at much greater risk radicalization. You've
got complete neighborhoods that are under Sharia law that the
regular police will not even enter into with they warn
you not to come into. But it's coming to America
and it's coming to Canada. I got to tell you
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that there is an artery here in Toronto that is
access to a highway called the four oh one that
is just on the outskirts of a Jewish area, predominantly
Jewish area in North York. And when I approached that
on ramp and there was protesters with flags with flags
saying from the River to the Sea, which is a
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genocidal intent. For sure. The mantra that has come up,
amongst many others have come up and a police officer
and I'm seeing them serve coffee to the protesters, and
a police officer comes out to me and says, sir,
I think you should turn around, and I think you
should go back to where you came from. This is
too unsafe for you. I was like, what are you
talking about? I was incredilist. We have a beautiful mall
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downtown in Toronto called the Eaton Center, and there's a
store that's available in America as well called Zaras, and
for some reason, I don't know exactly what the reason was.
I think it was some kind of advertising that offended
the pro Palestinian segment. And people wear masked and they're
masked when they protest. They've got these kafas and they
hide their faces and they're intimidating and they're violent. The
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guy comes up to the police officer and right in
his face, he says, I'm going to take you six
feet under man. Because the officer was trying to keep
order and protect the store, and they did nothing. They
allowed this guy to just spew out this type of
threat against police. I don't know, but in America, you
go up to an officer of the law and you
threaten to kill them. I think you're going down. I
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think you're going down.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well you should be.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, it's absolutely unacceptable. So the narrative, the narrative that's
come out of this what I call the lawlessness and
anarchy that has really been birthed by the events of
October seventh the aftermath. But it's the complacency that has
given license to the rise in anti Semitism. That is
what scares me more than anything else new. And I'm
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glad to see the turnaround. I'm glad to see President
Trump has called it what it is. He's revamping the
education system, and he's calling it out. And I really
felt like, for once in a long time, I felt like, Ah,
I could breathe. I could breathe. This craziness and this
lunacy of what we've experienced in the previous administration and
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disillusionment of the liberal left, wocism is starting to crumble
and fade away, and it's no longer in favor.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Let me switch for a second. The October seventh attack,
which has been described as the worst military break on
Israel's history and certainly the largest assault on the Jewish
community since the Holocaust. How mud such an attack have happened?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That very single question is on the tip of everyone's
tongue everywhere where I've been, and it was the impetus
for me running this book because on January, when I
traveled to Israel in twenty twenty four, after my son
I was supposed to go before, right after October seventh,
I told I'm coming. He's like, Dad, do not come.
I don't need to be worried about you here. I've
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got a job to do, and you and mom need
to stay where you are. Please do not come here.
It was very difficult to hear that and very scary
at the same time. But I understood it and I
respected it. I didn't want to distract him. And when
we came in January, one of the first things I
did is because I just couldn't understand, Like you, I
asked the same question. Everyone asked the same questions, how
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did this happen? I phoned up a military contact of mine.
I've got several contacts in the IDF, and I've got
permission to go into the border of Gaza, and I
said to them, I want to walk from the border
that was breached in Gaza by Nahalas, which is where
the greatest amount of damage was done to that base.
And that was my son's base at one time, and
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I wanted to walk from there to be and I
walked it and it took me under forty minutes to
walk it. And you can imagine these terrists, five thousand
terraces that took two years to develop this plan, were
on bikes, motorbikes and hand gliders and pickup trucks, so
it only took them about fifteen minutes to travel that
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two kilometers. And I wanted to travel this. And let
me tell you something. The land between Gaza, between the
border and between bay Area is beautiful, idyllic land. It's
rolling hills, it's wonderful, people have picnics. It's park area,
it's conservation area. You're not talking about desert here. It's
beautifully maintain land. And they made their way there. When
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I went to Bay Arie, I walked inside the area
which is the key butts where many people were brutally
murdered on that day, where people were kidnapped, and I
saw the bullet holes. In fact, and I walked in
there and I saw stains on the streets. But the
worst thing was new was that there was a green
tent set up on a playground, on a children's playground,
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where you had a rabbi, where you had archaeologists, and
where you had doctors, and you know what they were doing.
They were sifting through the ashes and running them through
DNA so that Jewish people wouldn't be buried alongside those
that murdered them. And I just I lost it. And
that night I went back to my Tel Aviv apartment.
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My wife and I had gone to the hospital Atoschamer
to talk with many of the survivors of the Nova
festival who are now amputees and terribly disfigured, and we
went to try to just speak to them and let
them know that we're here. We do that regularly. And
I went back and I went to sleep that night.
I was exhausted. I got up at four in the
morning and I was in a cold sweat, and I
sat at my computer as I overlooked the Tel Aviv
(22:44):
skyline that was just starting to wake up, and I
started to cry. I cried for humanity, I cried for
the devastation and the brutality that can come to this.
I don't care about the politics. I don't care about
what is the background for this, But the fact is
that that type of brutalization not only does it happen,
but that people are out in the streets rationalizing it.
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Women were raped, children were beheaded, people were kidnapped. They
are being used as human shields, human life being commoditized
for terrorist purposes, and we are forced to negotiate with
those terrorists. And I cried, and on my computer screet
I wrote, how the same question you just asked me?
And I sat there and over the course of a night,
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I felt a calling, and I felt seven observations that
I made, And that is what the book is about,
the seven observations that I made to the answer the
observations that I paused as to the how of October
seventh having happened. And I could tell you those observations,
but the entire book is based on it. And so
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if you asked me, it's not a simple question. You know,
in the Old Testament, when someone came to Rabbi Hillel
and said, can you please, it explained to me the
entire Testament he said, I can't do that on one foot,
but I'll tell you what, and this has to apply
to us today. He says, if you love your fellow
man as you would yourself, if you have respect for
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each other, that will solve all the world problems. One
of the seventh reasons that I come up with in
the observations I made is disunity in the world, disunity
between people, the fact that we've lost our way and
that we allowed something like this to happen because Israel
was put into such a situation to be manipulated by
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the outside interests of other countries, of other leaders, and
to have to end up with a negotiating policy, a
policy of prosperity for peace, so that they would turn
a blind eye to the very people who are terrorists,
who have proven themselves a terrorists as they spent two
years to plan out this attack. That is the a
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terrible tragedy of this. The fact that we have organizations
that claim to be legitimate organizations that to govern the
social contract, if you will, of the world, like the
United Nations, who have abused and betrayed the very principle
by which they are supposed to stand. And we need
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a reset of all of that, but seven observations that
I made in the wake up Call, which include the
East West battle for dominance. I think this thing goes
seventy five years back. I think a lot of ideologies
were developed that have kind of brought this forward. Non
state terror proxies I've talked about Iran. Iran is the
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head of the snake. The Iranian regime has proxies, including
has Balah, including Hamas, including the Huti, and including many
others lined up to do their bidding with funding from
Qatar and from other areas. That's got to stop the
funding of terrorism to the tune of two billion dollars
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that went into the Gaza strip, including Yunra a budget
of one point six billion dollars. Let me tell you Anon,
terrorism is big business. We know that there's people at
the top of the food chain who are more than
happy to let young people die and kill themselves and
kill others. But these guys, they got beautiful investments in
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the West. They've got good wealth managers. Probably it's some
Jewish wealth manager is probably managing their cash and stuff
making investments for them. It's terrible anyways, funding of terrorism.
The Palestinian refugee crisis is a non crisis in my opinion.
I explain why in the book. It's the biggest gaff.
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It's the victimization of the Palestinian people. There is no
refugee crisis and the syllabus of hate, which I've already
talked about. Israel's political system does not meet the needs
of its masters today. Israel's political system does not serve
the heterogeneous society that Israel has become. We have to
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change that. Israel does not have a constitution, it does
not have two houses, it does not have a proper
electoral system. That must be changed because the people are
not being properly represented, and minority interests tend to be
driving the policies of the country. And finally, Jewish disunity
we've gone through. Our enemies were watching and it says
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something about Israel, and it says something about the democracy
of Israel and the fact that Israel is the only
place in the Middle East where people could rally and
can demonstrate against the government without fear of reprisal, without
fear of imprisonment, without fear of violence. But yet the
world watched as the Jews were divided. Because the world
holds us holds the Jewish people at a higher standard.
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Perhaps that our enemies were also watching. And as the
Good Book will tell you, is the Old Testament to
tell you. When Moses brought the people into Israel, he
made a declary, very very simple. If you observe the
way of the land, then you will be safe from
your enemies. But as soon as you don't observe the
way of the land, which we call in Hebrew aras.
As soon as you do not observe the way of
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the land, your enemies will notice, they will come and
they will destroy you. And what is the way of
the land I set up before. It's respect for each other,
the root of the way of land as respect. Those
are the seven observations I made new.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Why does Starter get away with being such a center
of supporting terrorism.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
My son says something that made me fall off the chair.
He said, there is no allah when you own a bagatti.
And I think that these guys, they're in business. It's
big business terrorism, and they've got intro that are going
to benefit from an unstable Middle East where they're sort
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of seen as the negotiator, as the gatekeeper. I really
don't know enough you know. I've been to Bahrain, I've
been to Dubai, I've been to the area over there.
I've not been to Qatar. But they have become a
safe haven to situation themselves as a broker between the terrorists,
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and it's really doing the deal with the devil. But
how they get away with it, that's not a question
for me to answer.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
But it seems to me that's a place where the
Trump approach could change them overnight.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And I think that they're probably worried about that too,
and they're pivoting. They're pivoting because they're not stupid people,
and they realize, just like all these corporations that came
to sit by the king at the inauguration, they realize
where their bread is buttered. Trump started in his first
administration courageously enough. I think the abram Accords, we're heroic
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and they continue to be the guiding light for peace
in the Middle East. I've been in business many years.
I've been a writer, have been involved many things, and
there's one thing I've learned. You've got to move forward.
You've got to move forward. And you've got a few
years on me, a little bit more experience, and I
don't know if you'd agree with.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Me absolutely, and if you watch Trump, that's his entire style.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
And I agree, we need to move forward. Okay, I'm
not suggesting or minimizing at all, but you know, I
wrote another book before this book called Moving through Walls,
where I talked about grief and I talked about injustice.
And I say to people that you have three times
that you can talk about the injustice. At the fourth time,
you become a victim, and you need to move forward,
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and you need to change the narrative, and you need
to become a hero of your own story. I cannot
even imagine the pain and suffering of people who are
affected by war, affected by terrorism, affected by everything. And
I'm talking about the people within Gaza just as much
as i'm talking about the people within Israel. And I'm
not talking about sides here. I'm talking about human suffering,
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human suffering that happens at the hands of powerful people.
And I can imagine that. But we can't perpetuate the violence.
Violence long term will not work. We need to find
a place, a middle ground. We need to find love,
we need to find peace, and we do that through
prosperity and Trump knows this. Feed people. Give them a future,
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give their children a future, give them an opportunity to
be educated. We need to remove the terror, the Jihadahs,
the violence. We need to cut the head of the
snake right off, and we need to move forward. And
that is what President Trump is doing. I've got to
provide in the accolades. He deserves the credit he deserves
despite the man himself. Okay, and we all know the
(31:47):
trump Ism, but he's doing what needs to be done,
the hard work, and he's playing it straight, straight and
cannon to the point. And we need that now in
a world we need saving.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
How off for a slight modification what you just said,
you need understanding and love and support. Immediately after victory,
we had to beat Nazi Germany and then denocify. We
have to destroy Hamas and then treat the Palestinian people
much better than they've been treated. We have to break
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the theocratic dictatorship and then deal with the Iranian people
as they should be. But there is a component of
first making sure that the people want to kill you
can't otherwise nothing works.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I completely agree with you, k Newton, and I appreciate
your wisdom, and you're absolutely right. It is a hard
reality that we have to face that. Like I said before,
we have to be draconian in the short term, and
that's correct. There can be no compromise. There can be
no compromise.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well, it's really a variation of something Churchill had said
that you have to have victory, but then you have
to have generosity.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And compassion and empathy and understanding. And we have to
implement that right away. We learned about that when we're
in sports. In my coach, we'd win a game and
the first thing you got to do is shake the
hands of the people you went against. I think that
that is a hard thing to do. That is a
very hard thing to do, and we're going to need
some very mature discipline.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
One of the greatest weaknesses of Israel, which I've talked
to out a lot for twenty years, is you have
to have a vision of a future in which peace
and prosperity and safety are possible for everybody in the region.
And so you have to have a larger vision than
just stopping Amas. You have to have a vision of
a Palestinian future that somehow offers them a sense of
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hope and something better than killing this is.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Where I come to with respect to Israel's political system,
is that the voice of reason is lost in the
radicalization of people on the right. And what you're saying
is something that many people within the center of the
political spectrum agree with, and I would say the majority
of the people agree with. We want to live peacefully,
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and we want to live beside our neighbors peacefully. The
idea of this constant stress of violence needs to be
removed from our future. And you're absolutely correct. It is
a weakness and it's a weakness of Israel that is
designed by the very fact that we have a political
system where we must negotiate and form governments through negotiations
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with those who represents the smallest of minority in the country.
And I'm going to say this, and maybe it's unpopular,
and it's not that I'm a peace nick and I'm
not a political person, but I'm just a theorist. I'm
a political theorist, and I see it, and you're absolutely regnant.
You've got the wisdom and definitely, from the experience of
many years of having seen this repeat itself over and
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over again, the only long term solution is going to
be education is going to be peace is going to
be respect is going to be understanding, and it's the
art of the deal. And Trump will say this, and
I've heard it, and it's what I bring into my
business as well. When you negotiate a deal, you got
a negotiated deal, and propose the deal that you would
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accept if you were on the other side, because that's
a true partnership. So once the violence is gone, once
we're able to eliminate the threat, we can't take our
foot and put it on the chest of those and
subjugate them. Otherwise we do continue the cycle of violence.
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We need to step back and we need to offer
them a deal of life. The problem, though, Newt and
this is the problem, the impossible situation that we're in
is that these are the lovers of death. They believe
in this martyrdom. They believe in the idea that there
are seventy two versions awaiting them. They believe that martyrdom
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is there. Rizond to trust to life, and we have
to remove that from the education of the young people
from kindergarten. And we need the these children to understand,
we need them to become lovers of life. So the
real challenge here is being able to change the attitude
of the lovers from death to the lover's life. Because
as long as you have the lovers of death, and
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as long as you have unreasonable people out there who
in the name of social justice and whatever other disillusionment
that they're marching for, as long as the unreasonableness continues,
as long as we support the lovers of death and
rationalize these idiots, these terrible people as resistance fighters. Okay,
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as long as we do that and not call it
what it is, then it's going to be very difficult
to get to a deal where we give our partners
what they want, because you need a partner in good faith.
You need to have that reasonableness there. So once that's there,
for sure, that is what we need to do. But
how do we get there is the question.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
All right, and that's one of the great challenges of
our time Israel. I want to thank you for joining me.
Your new book, The Wake Up Call, Global Jihad and
the Rise of Anti Semitism, A World Going Mad is
available now on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere, and we're
going to feature a linked to buy it on our
show page. And I really appreciate you sharing with us
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your vision, your concerns, and we certainly hope that your
son remains safe in his mission and the Israeli defense
for us.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Thank you very much, Nut, God bless you, and I
really appreciate the opportunity to come here and to spread
some of my wisdom and what I've learned. And I
really truly hope that people will purchase the book and
please review the book. We need your reviews. The book
is designed to provide information, well researched, well cited information.
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It's written in my voice. It's a story that weaves
through the reality of the situation in the region, and
it provides and answers. The last chapter of the book, Nude,
is on healing. It's a chapter of healing, and I
talk about how do we heal, how do we move
forward into the future so that we can live in
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a world of peace. And I hope people take it
to heart. I hope they take the message to heart,
and I hope they live the message because if we
all live the message, then we'll have a different world
that we can leave to our children.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Well. I hope your prayers are answered.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Thank you, new.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Thank you to my guest Israel Ellis, you can get
a link to buy his new book, The Wake Upcall
on our show page at newsworld dot com. News World
is produced by Ginglish three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive
producer is Guernsey Sloan and our researcher is Rachel Peterson.
The artwork for the show was created by Steve Penley.
Special thanks to the team at Ginglish three sixty. If
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