November 15, 2025 • 35 mins
Newt talks with Matt Palumbo about his new book, “The Heir: Inside the (Not So) Secret Network of Alex Soros.” Their discussion centers around the transition of the Soros empire from George Soros to his son, Alex Soros, who is perceived as more radical than his father. Alex Soros officially took over in June 2023, continuing the legacy of contributing billions to left-wing causes. The influence of Soros funding has impacted left-wing movements across the U.S. The Soros network's penetration into political systems is discussed, with significant figures in the Biden administration having ties to Soros-funded organizations. The strategy of electing district attorneys with Soros funding is described as a deliberate move to influence law enforcement and criminal justice policies. They also discuss Alex Soros' involvement in Ukraine, where his influence is seen as potentially shaping post-war social policies.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
On this episode of newts World, the George Soros Empire
is now the Alex Soros Empire and the son is
even more radical than the father. In June twenty twenty three,
it was finally made official Alex Soros would be taking
over the empire started by his father, who has contributed
thirty two billion dollars of his own liney to the
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cause of left wing ideas. As the news broke, one
question echoed around the world, what will the future of
Soros's influence look like? In his new book, The Air
Inside the Not So Secret Network of Alex Soros, Matt
Palombo investigates the transformation underway. This is not the end
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of Soros backed radicalism, It's just the beginning. I'm really
pleased to welcome my guest, Matt Palombo. He's the content
manager of bonginoreport dot com and the best selling author
of nine books. Matt, welcome and thank you for joining
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me again on new Chorld.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's always good to be auto with you. I think
the George Sorows book was the last we discussed together,
and a lot has obviously happened since then. I wrote
a front cover story for The New York post, and
it was actually unintentional. They asked me to write a
story and didn't tell me they were going to make
it the front cover story. So that was an interesting
surprise to way up to one day in twenty twenty three.
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But that helped kind of give the book new life
and helped spread it quite a bit. And one of
the most surreal things that came from it was I
got invited on Harris Faulkner's show and she had me
talk about the exact same topic they wouldn't let you
talk about. So there is some bizarre shift in I
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don't know, the normalization of going after George Soros or something,
and I would like to think I maybe contributed slightly
to that. I don't know if I can really claim credit,
but I think the Boogeyman's status or people being afraid
to even be accused of being anti Semitic or something
for going after him has faded a little bit. So
now we're all eyes are on the sun. And he
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is definitely much more open than his father in terms
of his influence, which has helped me quite a bit
in writing the book. I'm grateful to him for that.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But so before we jump into the book, which is
I think a very important contribution to understanding what's happening
in how things are going on. Tell us just from
here about your day job as content manager for the
Bongino Report, which is one of the leading conservative news aggregators.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah. So back in late twenty nineteen, I was working
a very very boring job at a bank I won't
name him, and I got a call from Dan bong
and he said, Hey, I'm starting a new website and
you're going to run it. And I thought, all right, perfect,
I'm out of here. So very shortly after we launched
bonginoreport dot com. It was an alternative to Drudge Report,
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and Drudge for forever basically was the leading conservative aggregator,
pretty much the only one. There was a very noticeable
shift to either the center left to the left in
recent years under Trump. He seemed to have some sort
of vendetta against Trump and that influences coverage everywhere. There's
been rumors that he sold the site, but I haven't
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seen in the evidence that that's actually the case. So
that was the genesis of Bungina Report, and we just
try to educate people the best we can on a
diverse array of topics. It's mostly politics, but we throw
you know, sports and entertainment, hell, fitness, and some other
topics on the website, just so it's more of a
one stop shop. We have an opinion section that will
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feature yours truly quite often and a lot of other
very well known authors. So that's what I've been doing.
This is actually my last month there, but it's going
to be in very very good hands.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You have really, you and Dan have really built that
into a very significant website in terms of conservative networking.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Thank you so much. Yeah, it's helped me a lot professionally,
and I know it's helped educate a lot of people.
But I've had a lot of great contacts and I
met you and your team through it, so it's helped
me tremendously.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Before we get to your new book, I have to
ask you, since you wrote Dumb and Dumber, how Cuomo
and de Blasio ruined New York, we sort of have
gone way beyond to Bosio. I mean, what's your view
of Zoran mom Donnie as the new mayor of New York.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, fisically, we already know what's going to happen, because
it's going to be a continuation of what is already happening,
and there being a wealth exodus, a person exodus, and
you know, as someone who is in New Jersey or
even if you're in any surrounding state, even more liberals
are leaving to join your state. So you know, not
only is the exodus bad for the state itself losing people,
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the people leaving are predominantly liberals who don't understand cause
and effect and don't realize that their own voting is
what's causing the policies that caused them to leave, so
they turn the surrounding states more blue. I mean Vermont
very famously was a bred state for a while. It
was immigration from New York that turned it blue. So
it's not going to be good for people like me
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in Jersey. But then also he is an anti police
to fund the police guy. His chief of staff supports
putting social workers and sending them instead of police. And
it's policies where just one question can collapse the idea
it's okay, what if they have a knife, what if
they have a gun, And they always give some fantastical
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answer of well, in a perfect world they wouldn't have one. Well,
we don't live in that world. Other ideas like having
fair free buses or continuing to not enforce the fare
in the subway has sec order effects in terms of crime,
and that you know, on an individual basis. You know,
if I don't pay my fare, I get onto the subway. Okay,
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they're at three bucks. Someone who doesn't understand crime could say, well,
the cost of processing you and blah blah blah is
more than three dollars. So what's the point. And what
they're missing is the second order effect, and that of
all people who commit crimes on the subway and by extension,
the bus, basically one hundred percent of them don't pay
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the fare. So it is a great filtering mechanism by
enforcing that one hundred percent. And for a long time,
Costco that was their business model was to have a
barrier to entry in terms of the fee you have
to pay, and that pretty much filtered out anyone who
would choplift and it'd cause other sorts of problems. So
we need that for you know, just law and order
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reasons as well.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Why do you think mom Donne emerged and I mean
he got fifty percent of the mode in a three
way field what do you think is happening.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, it's depressing at this works on adults. I would
say he ran a good campaign in the sense that
it's the campaign I would have run running for high
school class president or middle school class president and there's
not going to be any homework and we're going to a
skate park side school. It was that kind of campaign.
And whatever sort of fake charisma he had seems to
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fool the left. He has the almost identical fake smile
that AOC has when they're trying to resonate with people.
It really just worked. And his social media army was
very effective as well. They would pose videos of him
just being a human being and blow it up as
oh my god, look how lucky we are to have him,
or things in that category. I hit him going to
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a bar nightclub and oh my god, when was the
last time you can remember a candidate doing this? And
I'm thinking, well, yeah, he wants to win an election.
This isn't rocket science here. He's tried to appeal to
as many people as possible, so, to be honest, the
fact that he only got marginally over fifty percent, given
how much he did out campaign his competitors, if you
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do a campaign adjusted basis. I think he would have
lost when we out campaigned him, but it was enough
to win. And we already know how the story is
gonna end. It only really ends positively if he can't
get done anything he wants to get done. I saw
a report yesterday he's going to be calling Donald Trump.
I guess to try to fall out that relationship because
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Trump ahead of the election said he was gonna freeze
federal funding. He sort of walked it back, but Bloomberg
yesterday was quoting Trump insiders as saying they do have
certain programs in mind they're gonna target potentially. So I
think Zoran is gonna try to maybe fall out that
relationship or work with Trump a little bit gun on
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his good side, and maybe that will take the form
of not going through in certain policies. But there's no
way this ends up. Well. We have hundreds of years
of history to tell us exactly what's gonna happen. We
have states that have had government owned grocery stores, and
if he does have those government own grocery stores, we're
gonna have photos of New Yorkers coming to New Jersey
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like bords Ey Elson, the supermarket all amazed that we
have food in Jerseys So that'll be some amazing images.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
To what extent do the limitations on the mayor, between
the city council, the state legislature, and the governor. To
what extent is he less of a direct threat than
his speeches would imply.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, I know Hoschel has cast doubt specifically in the
free bussing program, so that's at least one although it
seems that for half of the city they already have
a free bussing program in that you just don't pay
and for the bus driver it's not worth the confrontation,
so maybe it's not much a change there. And yes,
he does need the city council to go along with
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the tax increases. I mean, I believe there's only five
or six Republicans in their city council. So it just
comes down to the center of left versus the progress faction,
how they decided.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
To what extent was the impact of George Soros and
Alex Soros and the money they pour into building these systems,
To what extent did that help with the rise of Mondani.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So one of the group that got the most money
that was helping Mandami was the Working Families Party. They've
gotten many millions from Soros well Alex and George both
and they are a third party that they do have
representation in government. I think they've won to two seats
in the Philadelphia City Council, but it's mostly an add
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on to the Democratic Party in that they will run
their candidates as Democrats. And in New York they have
fusion voting, meaning you can run as more than one party,
So there is a single digit percent of the electorate
probably that are Democrats who are so far left they
are disillusioned with the party, even as far left as
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it is, and would only vote for a Democrat if
they're also in the Working Families Party line. Ed would
vote for the Canada on the Working Families Parti's line. Now,
to get on that line, you have to sign on
with a bunch of very cartoonish far left policies. And
this is basically what everyone at a Climate Hystoria protest
or a free Palaceline protest believes, being very anti cop
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tacts billionaires and millionaires, and they never say how much,
just always more so those kind of politicians, And Mamdami
himself actually voted for himself on the Working Families Party line,
So he clearly identifies with that faction, and it is
a socialist faction, but it's really the most successful third
party we have in the country, and that if you
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count people who are members of the Working Families Party
plus the Democratic Party, the two have dozens of seats
in New York legislatures and all of that.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I did not realize that he had voted on that line.
What does that tell you? When he's done smiling, he
actually is on the hard left.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
He has the charism of a used car salesman. Whenever
I see that smile, I think you're trying to defraud
me in some way. I don't know. It's just very
bizarre to see because I think for us, there's no
way it's even convincing. But he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
He fundamentally, I don't know if he even views himself
as American, and in fact, his mother himself and this
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was twelve years ago, said that he doesn't. But the
thing that was most notable to me during his election
speech was that line where he says, you know it's
for the Senegalese taxi drivers then used beck nurses. These
were demographics I didn't even know were associated with these professions.
I think it was like mad libs. He was all right,
it was Becky okay nurse. But we on the right
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have for decades criticized Hyphi needed Americanism, so African American,
Hispanic American, Asian American instead of just saying American, and
he reversed it. He dropped the American part. I've never
seen that done before, So I don't know. He does
seem to have an US versus that mentality. When AOC
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was at one of his rallies talking of the groups
who built the country, she never mentioned the British or
the Dutch. It was immigrant groups that have only been
here for the past thirty to fifty years. So he,
I think, views himself and those who support him as
separate from the rest of America, the country's standing stock,
and we're also going to see that appear in his policies.
He himself has called for taxing, in his words, richer,
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whiter neighborhoods. He made an effort to say whiter. So
that's the kind of guy he is.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
How did Alex end up becoming the heir.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
He actually was? Not who people thought would be the
first pick. A lot of people thought his son Jonathan
Sous was going to be the pick. I personally leaned
towards it being Alex, just because I knew that Alex
was the one that was sort of accompanying him on
his business trips growing up, and Alex through his social
media for the past few years leading up to the announcement,
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just all the people who is publicly meeting with Tipney
off that it would be him. But there was an
article in Vanity Fair I believe that talked about this,
and a lot of insiders actually thought that Alex was
the wrong person to lead the organization. And if you've
ever seen the guy speak, he's you know, I'm not
perfect myself, but he's not exactly Shakespearean. Someone who knows
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him described his speaking style as being like that of
a record skipping And I think if anyone goes on
YouTube and looks up his speech of his they'll know
exactly what I mean and probably laugh at that description
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So what do you think motivates Alex?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, I think he's to some extent a carbon copy
of his father. I think that his father was, to
a large extent motivated not only by wealth and power,
but power just for the sake of having it. And
that was the life that Alex was groomed under From
a very young age. He was following his father around
on trips all around the world. So you know, while
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you and I were studying for our high school math tests,
he was sitting in meetings with Nancy Pelosi and world leaders.
And he flaunts it on social media every single day
it seems he is with someone new. He posted one
with Mamdami. I think it was the night over the
day after the election. It was of note because he
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was actually in Europe when he posted that photo, meaning
he took it probably weeks prior realized it might look
bad if the anti billionaire candidate was pictured with a billionaire,
and then decided, all right, well, once the election's over,
we can do that. And I'm told so. He has
posted about third thirty or so photos with the Prime
Minister of Albania, who is wildly accused of turning the
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country into a narco state. And I talked about that
in the book. Maybe that's a tie in of why
Alex loves being there so much. Maybe he's profiting from it.
But the former Prime minister told me he has flight
logs that show something like one hundred and forty visits
from Alex to Albania in the past couple of years,
meaning what he's showing us on social media, as much
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as it is, is a microcosm of the true influence
and he has officially even before he took over officially.
In June of twenty twenty three, he was posting a
photo of himself introducing himself to the Prime Minister of
North Macedonia and the caption the photo was it's an
honor to introduce my father to the president, meaning it
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was a connection Alex himself had made and was now
sharing them with his father. It was a total role reversal,
I point out in the book I Know Him Ramblings.
I'll wrap up on that. In the book, he mentioned
that he had basically taken over operations in Europe in
twenty fifteen. That was when George decided he was going
to stop traveling there so often and he needed Alex
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to basically do his job there. So it caused me
to re examine a lot of the influence I had
written about George's influence in Europe around those years. And reanalyzed, well,
what's the evidence of actually being Alex there and having
all weaves together.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
You point out that the level of penetration. For example,
when Biden became president, who are some seventeen people who
came from one of the Soros funded operations, some of
them pretty important, I mean near attendant as a very
major player, had been very big on the Clinton team,
also worked for Obama. But she was president of Center
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for American Progress, which Soros was a major, major funder
of Ron Clayton. This really surprised me. He's on the
board of the Center for American prob Action Fund, which
is their lobbying arm. He was Biden's first White House
chief of staff and I think probably far and away
his best chief of staff. I mean, you go down this,
you'd be in to realize they've really penetrated the system
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in some very significant ways.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah. Then there was the three dozen or so meetings
that Alex had at the White House, and a friend
of mine who works at a CYC called NewsBusters. He's
Joe Vasquez. He's got like their Soros guy. So I
asked him if he wanted to go through all the
White House visitor logs with me and I don't know
if this was because of the transition or if Biden's
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administration took them down, but those visitor logs actually got
removed from the website at the end of his presidency. Joe,
I don't know what possessed him to do it, but
he happened to have archived them months prior, so without him,
this chapter would have never come to fruition. Him and
I spent about a month or so going through all
of the visitor logs, and the real challenge was, well,
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let's try to figure out what those visits correlate to.
And there is about two thirds of them there was
some sort of climate issue leading into the meeting or
happening being announced within two weeks after it, so it
might be a correlation, causation, coincidence, but in two thirds
of the cases that's what would happen. And we thought
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it was just notable because our research had also shown well,
it was four hundred and thirty eight million dollars he
spent on these climate causes, the first ever writings of
Alex Soros publicly or on climate change, and that's kind
of his issue. So that was our major corelating factor.
But there was one day where in the morning, the
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President of Kenya had visited the White House and it
was at an event where Alex was their president. He
was actually pictured with the President of Kenya. The President
of Kenya was actually working with OSF at the time,
USAID and all these green climate crazy deals and all that,
and his reputation was kind of in patters at home.
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There's a lot of corruption allegations. Something like half their
national debt was in fact was linked to corruption, and
this was viewed as an attempt to clean up his
image by having him to be the first Kenyan president
to visit with Joe Biden. But that same exact day,
just hours, I think seven or so hours later, Alex
had a private meeting with Joe Biden. So after that
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then all these climate related deals start occurring with Kenya's
president in the White House and USAID, and it seemed
like a pretty interesting coincidence. If it was one that
all those people would be together, then all these things
linked to Alex would play out. So I think that
was the biggest one that we found there. And also
Patrick Gaspar, the former president of the Open Society Foundation,
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ended up getting an ambassadorship late into the Biden administration
as well.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You also have this I think intriguing strategy, dangerous strategy
where the soress have gone in and spent about forty
million dollars to help elect about seventy five district attorneys
and that's had a real effect on whether or not
criminals get prosecuted. I mean, do you think that was
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a deliberate strategy to undermine the rule of law or
what were they thinking?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, I would just say it has to be. You know,
these law and order issues, the most predictable outcome is
going to be the outcome. If you have someone who
tried to murder someone unsuccessfully and a judge says, well,
we're not going to give you any bail, you can
go free. What do we think they're going to do.
My guess would be they might try to kill the
person they try to kill unsuccessfully. If they are an
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arson s I think they might go consider more artisan
after this. The problem with these second chance judges is
they think second chances are infinity chances, but a lot
of them ideologically just empathize with criminals. They had this
idea that just circumstances alone can exonerate you if you
had a rough childhood, that's good enough. And it was
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incredible that the Joe Biden of the nineteen nineties, when
speaking about the crime bill of all people, said, you know,
I don't care if you had a rough childhood. If
you're a criminal, you're a criminal. I'm going what happened
to that guy? That actually is the attitude that we need.
Obviously that Joe Biden is long gone. You know, the
first book on George I looked through all of the
crime increases under them, and granted some of this was
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under the backdrop of the national crime wave in twenty
twenty from the George Floyd protests, but in the places
where there was the protests plus the Soros DA, the
crime rate went up significantly higher. We had crime doubling
in many cities with things like shoplifting. It's so high
that in many places they don't even report it. And
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someone pointed out, like the stats can be misleading in
that if you are in a place where you have
to overprotect against it, you were to some extent in
prison your own citizens because you want in prison criminals.
If I have to go into CVS and wait thirty
minutes to get someone to unlock a role of deodorant.
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For me, that is a micro prison you're putting on
your own customers because you won't do it to other people.
And even if you had a scenario where okay, you
have Liberal City where the theft rate is identical to
Safe City, but in Liberal City everything is locked up
and in the Safe City everything's on the honor system,
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are they really the same crime rate? And you can
see in that analogy how misleading the stats are. In
San Francisco, there was one month where there was a
single Target store, just one Target location in the whole city,
and they decided they were going to test out a
new system to report one hundred percent of shoplifting incidents
to the San Francisco Police Department just for one month.
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That month, the crime rate in the entire city doubled.
And there are tens of thousands of business in the city,
One business reporting every shoplifting incident doubled the city's crime rate.
So that just goes to show you that the crime
rates we see, as bad as they are, aren't even
close to what they really are in those cities. And
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again everyone knows this, and Chasa Buden was famously ousted
the margin of the vote was basically consistent with the
percent of San Francisco's electorate that are Republican, meaning they
kind of got Kingmaker's status in that election. Without them,
they might still have that DA. So liberals will vote
for the worst people possible and enable them to then degree.
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So I am cynical on this issue, and that I
think these judges know exactly what they're doing. I don't
see how they couldn't possibly know it, because it's the
same result every time. There's never been a case where
you let out a guy without bail who committed an
attempted homicide and goes, well, that was nice. I won't
make that mistake again.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Were you right? The George Source did more than any
individual to shape the narrative on drugs in America. Why
did he do that? And how long has he been
doing it?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So since the nineteen eighties. It was what became the
Drug Policy Institute, and they started with marijuana, which was,
I guess, ironically the gateway drug to bigger drug decriminalization
and legalization efforts, where you start with the least harmful
drug and you have the rhetoric of well, we really
want to lock people up over a plan, and I've
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gone through the numbers. I don't think we really were
ever locking people up. You were only getting locked up
from marijuana really, if you had a ton of it
in your trunk, or if it was in conjunction with
other crimes. I went through the ones because there is
I think some libert carrying group had seventy thousand people
that have been to jail for weed, and I went
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through just a dozen of them, and it's like a
man committed an armed robbery had marijuana on him, and
I'm thinking, well, I don't think the weed was really
the reason here for that, but that's how they would
sell it, and they, through the media as well, convinced
people this was selling to be normalized. And then I
think the narrative they then push after that was harm reduction,
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where it was well, we're going to have people do drugs,
so we might as well have it be safe. And
that logic only works if there is a fixed percentage
of the population you're going to be hooked up to
a heroin machine all day and go all right, well,
something we can do, we got to make it safer.
That's not how it works when you normalize drugs. And
take away the stigma you have people do more of them.
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And even if you can make drugs safer through these
sorts of efforts, you will also increase the volume by
which they're used. So even if you made the drugs
as dangerous, if you're doing them twice as much, it
nets out to zero. And I have stats there on
the safe injection sites and all these sorts of efforts.
And you also make surrounding areas way less safe in
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that you basically are sectioning off a part of town
where you are gonna have drug users congregating and no
one else. Normal people can't go there, so you're gonna
have very shady people. It's gonna increase crime there. So
there's just all these second order effects no one is considering.
And the real solution is, well, we just say you
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actually can't do drugs in the street, and if you're
going to, we're gonna have to put you somewhere, and
it's either gonna be prison or some work program where
you can't do drugs. And there's plenty of countries that
do that, but we've convinced ourselves in this country it's
cruel to stop people from destroying their lives.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, you have this general picture somebody is very
far to the left, very pro criminal, very pro drug,
and yet in Ukraine, at least on the surface, he
seems to be an investing money in a way that's
important to a country that's in danger of being overrun.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, so he has been making a lot of connections
with these Lenzi administration. Basically, Zelenzi's number two is a
guy who has been friends with quite a bit. They
post pictures together on social media wishing each other a
happy birthday, so I guess they're somewhat close. He has
met with Solenzia a number of times. He donated a
million dollars to a charity that his wife founded. IBus
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did another problem with that ant problem with him helping Ukraine.
The question just is what is he going to do
with the influence after the war, And I think it's
going to be to sort of push a lot of
these sort of social agenda for ins. I have a
whole chapter in Albania and his relationship with the Prime
Minister Eddie Rama, and just last week or so they
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passed a law recognizing more than two genders. I talked
to the former prime minister and I said, or I
just texted and I'm like, so is this Alex Soros?
And he just strets back, Absolutely, it's Alex Soros. But okay,
well that makes a lot of sense. One tie and
I did find there with his Albanian influence was there
was a very large munition contract that Ukraine signed with Albania,
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and Albania was an odd choice because they don't have
the capabilities to fulfill the contract, so they're basically just
going to sublet that contract out to a different country,
which I just sent a raised the question of why
do you need a middleman? It just seemed like a
favor for his friend Eddie Rama to make some extra money,
given that they could have just contracted directly with whoever's
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going to actually fulfill the contract. So there was some
minor corruption there that I think I found. It's a
country that I think pay attention to for how he's
going to try to liberalize the society afterwards.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
This is a person both father and son. Now, as
you point out in your new book The Air Inside
the Not So Secret Network of Alex Soros, this is
two generations of extraordinarily rich people trying to profoundly change
the world. In the direction that most of us would
think's crazy, and they have the money to have a
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real impact and.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
They were succeeding. Yeah, I mean, it's I don't know
if it's funny or tragic that his spending is classified
as philanthropy and it's the opposite of philanthropy. The other thing, too,
is his spending two in total is understated because there
was the USAID connection. And I had known of USAID
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from writing about George in the past and other left
wing groups, but even I didn't realize the extent of it.
And it is going back to the sort of mad
libs analogy. It was just the craziest forms of left
wing spending you can imagine. It would be like, all right,
we're spending money on helping transgender raccoons learn dance therapy.
I'm going wait a second, what are we spending money
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on here? I might have made that one up.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I have a hunch that one was not quite accurate.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
No, it was things in that category of just this
could easily be made up. And George Sorolis has been
working with USAID East with the nineteen nineties. I found
a document from nineteen ninety three on an early project
there to train journalists in Eastern Europe to promote his agenda,
and the way he would get funding from it would
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be both from directly getting money to groups that he controls.
So in two thousand and nine under Obama, he used
his influence in USAID to basically change the rules on
what you would have to do to get USAAD funding,
and it was sort of like that Working Families pledge.
You'd have to sign on to a portfolio of just
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random left wing ideas like supporting legalizing prostitution, decriminalizing drugs,
things the OSF supports. And this is even for groups
that are not political, would have to sign on to
all of these things. And you'd have groups when you'd
gone to who we're going, I just want to build
a well, why do I have to be on board
with game arriage all all of a sudden, it was
to flex control over a lot of groups globally, and
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maybe someone would just have to fake it, but some
of them would go along with it, and then he
would receive billions of dollars to groups that were not
even necessarily groups that he funded or founded, but groups
that were adjacent that had the exact same goals as
him that he would use to work in conjunction with him.
The most notable group that he started was the East
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West Management Institute, which got two hundred and seventy million
for USAD and it was actually the bulk of the
usaa DE funding that was direct to him. And that
group is run by a woman named Elina Fiso, and
she is the ex wife of Eddie Rama, the Prime
Minister of Albania. And that group played a very large
role in constitutional reform in Albania and the consequence of
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that constitutional reform was it completely left their legal system
and share the percentage of people convicted for drug trafficking collapsed.
There's a backlog for decades and cases that are still
getting worked through, and it coincides with Albania becoming Europe's
first narco state because they lack the capacity to prosecute
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these people, and I argue it is by design. There's
an enormous amount of corruption in their permitting process to
build buildings in Almanium, and there is this paradox where
there is a declining population but there is a surplus
an explosion in housing construction, but it is all drug
trafficking money. So they're building these high rises. No one
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is living in them, so it's not really adding to
the housing stock. So the average rent there is five
hundred dollars a month. That's basically eighty percent of the
average salary. So if this was legitimate construction, they should
have some of the cheapest housing in Eastern Europe. Because
it's all drug money, it is flooding to supply with
housing that is not actually helping anyone. And I've seen
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estimates that Rama the Prime Minister, is worth hundred of
millions in euros, but heart to verify.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Let me just say I think that your new book,
The Air Inside the Not So Secret Network of Alex
Soros is available on Amazon and books risols, and combined
with your earlier work on his father, you may well
be the world's leading expert on the Soros family and
their efforts to undermine the West. And I want to
(34:24):
thank you for joining us. I think this has been
fascinating and I know you're going to go on and
serve the country. The work you've been doing is very
very important.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
He's a lot from you, So thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
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is Newtsworld.
On this episode of newts World, the George Soros Empire
is now the Alex Soros Empire and the son is
even more radical than the father. In June twenty twenty three,
it was finally made official Alex Soros would be taking
over the empire started by his father, who has contributed
thirty two billion dollars of his own liney to the
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cause of left wing ideas. As the news broke, one
question echoed around the world, what will the future of
Soros's influence look like? In his new book, The Air
Inside the Not So Secret Network of Alex Soros, Matt
Palombo investigates the transformation underway. This is not the end
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of Soros backed radicalism, It's just the beginning. I'm really
pleased to welcome my guest, Matt Palombo. He's the content
manager of bonginoreport dot com and the best selling author
of nine books. Matt, welcome and thank you for joining
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me again on new Chorld.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's always good to be auto with you. I think
the George Sorows book was the last we discussed together,
and a lot has obviously happened since then. I wrote
a front cover story for The New York post, and
it was actually unintentional. They asked me to write a
story and didn't tell me they were going to make
it the front cover story. So that was an interesting
surprise to way up to one day in twenty twenty three.
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But that helped kind of give the book new life
and helped spread it quite a bit. And one of
the most surreal things that came from it was I
got invited on Harris Faulkner's show and she had me
talk about the exact same topic they wouldn't let you
talk about. So there is some bizarre shift in I
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don't know, the normalization of going after George Soros or something,
and I would like to think I maybe contributed slightly
to that. I don't know if I can really claim credit,
but I think the Boogeyman's status or people being afraid
to even be accused of being anti Semitic or something
for going after him has faded a little bit. So
now we're all eyes are on the sun. And he
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is definitely much more open than his father in terms
of his influence, which has helped me quite a bit
in writing the book. I'm grateful to him for that.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But so before we jump into the book, which is
I think a very important contribution to understanding what's happening
in how things are going on. Tell us just from
here about your day job as content manager for the
Bongino Report, which is one of the leading conservative news aggregators.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah. So back in late twenty nineteen, I was working
a very very boring job at a bank I won't
name him, and I got a call from Dan bong
and he said, Hey, I'm starting a new website and
you're going to run it. And I thought, all right, perfect,
I'm out of here. So very shortly after we launched
bonginoreport dot com. It was an alternative to Drudge Report,
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and Drudge for forever basically was the leading conservative aggregator,
pretty much the only one. There was a very noticeable
shift to either the center left to the left in
recent years under Trump. He seemed to have some sort
of vendetta against Trump and that influences coverage everywhere. There's
been rumors that he sold the site, but I haven't
(03:35):
seen in the evidence that that's actually the case. So
that was the genesis of Bungina Report, and we just
try to educate people the best we can on a
diverse array of topics. It's mostly politics, but we throw
you know, sports and entertainment, hell, fitness, and some other
topics on the website, just so it's more of a
one stop shop. We have an opinion section that will
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feature yours truly quite often and a lot of other
very well known authors. So that's what I've been doing.
This is actually my last month there, but it's going
to be in very very good hands.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You have really, you and Dan have really built that
into a very significant website in terms of conservative networking.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Thank you so much. Yeah, it's helped me a lot professionally,
and I know it's helped educate a lot of people.
But I've had a lot of great contacts and I
met you and your team through it, so it's helped
me tremendously.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Before we get to your new book, I have to
ask you, since you wrote Dumb and Dumber, how Cuomo
and de Blasio ruined New York, we sort of have
gone way beyond to Bosio. I mean, what's your view
of Zoran mom Donnie as the new mayor of New York.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, fisically, we already know what's going to happen, because
it's going to be a continuation of what is already happening,
and there being a wealth exodus, a person exodus, and
you know, as someone who is in New Jersey or
even if you're in any surrounding state, even more liberals
are leaving to join your state. So you know, not
only is the exodus bad for the state itself losing people,
(05:05):
the people leaving are predominantly liberals who don't understand cause
and effect and don't realize that their own voting is
what's causing the policies that caused them to leave, so
they turn the surrounding states more blue. I mean Vermont
very famously was a bred state for a while. It
was immigration from New York that turned it blue. So
it's not going to be good for people like me
(05:26):
in Jersey. But then also he is an anti police
to fund the police guy. His chief of staff supports
putting social workers and sending them instead of police. And
it's policies where just one question can collapse the idea
it's okay, what if they have a knife, what if
they have a gun, And they always give some fantastical
(05:48):
answer of well, in a perfect world they wouldn't have one. Well,
we don't live in that world. Other ideas like having
fair free buses or continuing to not enforce the fare
in the subway has sec order effects in terms of crime,
and that you know, on an individual basis. You know,
if I don't pay my fare, I get onto the subway. Okay,
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they're at three bucks. Someone who doesn't understand crime could say, well,
the cost of processing you and blah blah blah is
more than three dollars. So what's the point. And what
they're missing is the second order effect, and that of
all people who commit crimes on the subway and by extension,
the bus, basically one hundred percent of them don't pay
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the fare. So it is a great filtering mechanism by
enforcing that one hundred percent. And for a long time,
Costco that was their business model was to have a
barrier to entry in terms of the fee you have
to pay, and that pretty much filtered out anyone who
would choplift and it'd cause other sorts of problems. So
we need that for you know, just law and order
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reasons as well.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Why do you think mom Donne emerged and I mean
he got fifty percent of the mode in a three
way field what do you think is happening.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, it's depressing at this works on adults. I would
say he ran a good campaign in the sense that
it's the campaign I would have run running for high
school class president or middle school class president and there's
not going to be any homework and we're going to a
skate park side school. It was that kind of campaign.
And whatever sort of fake charisma he had seems to
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fool the left. He has the almost identical fake smile
that AOC has when they're trying to resonate with people.
It really just worked. And his social media army was
very effective as well. They would pose videos of him
just being a human being and blow it up as
oh my god, look how lucky we are to have him,
or things in that category. I hit him going to
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a bar nightclub and oh my god, when was the
last time you can remember a candidate doing this? And
I'm thinking, well, yeah, he wants to win an election.
This isn't rocket science here. He's tried to appeal to
as many people as possible, so, to be honest, the
fact that he only got marginally over fifty percent, given
how much he did out campaign his competitors, if you
(08:08):
do a campaign adjusted basis. I think he would have
lost when we out campaigned him, but it was enough
to win. And we already know how the story is
gonna end. It only really ends positively if he can't
get done anything he wants to get done. I saw
a report yesterday he's going to be calling Donald Trump.
I guess to try to fall out that relationship because
(08:28):
Trump ahead of the election said he was gonna freeze
federal funding. He sort of walked it back, but Bloomberg
yesterday was quoting Trump insiders as saying they do have
certain programs in mind they're gonna target potentially. So I
think Zoran is gonna try to maybe fall out that
relationship or work with Trump a little bit gun on
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his good side, and maybe that will take the form
of not going through in certain policies. But there's no
way this ends up. Well. We have hundreds of years
of history to tell us exactly what's gonna happen. We
have states that have had government owned grocery stores, and
if he does have those government own grocery stores, we're
gonna have photos of New Yorkers coming to New Jersey
(09:11):
like bords Ey Elson, the supermarket all amazed that we
have food in Jerseys So that'll be some amazing images.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
To what extent do the limitations on the mayor, between
the city council, the state legislature, and the governor. To
what extent is he less of a direct threat than
his speeches would imply.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, I know Hoschel has cast doubt specifically in the
free bussing program, so that's at least one although it
seems that for half of the city they already have
a free bussing program in that you just don't pay
and for the bus driver it's not worth the confrontation,
so maybe it's not much a change there. And yes,
he does need the city council to go along with
(09:51):
the tax increases. I mean, I believe there's only five
or six Republicans in their city council. So it just
comes down to the center of left versus the progress faction,
how they decided.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
To what extent was the impact of George Soros and
Alex Soros and the money they pour into building these systems,
To what extent did that help with the rise of Mondani.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So one of the group that got the most money
that was helping Mandami was the Working Families Party. They've
gotten many millions from Soros well Alex and George both
and they are a third party that they do have
representation in government. I think they've won to two seats
in the Philadelphia City Council, but it's mostly an add
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on to the Democratic Party in that they will run
their candidates as Democrats. And in New York they have
fusion voting, meaning you can run as more than one party,
So there is a single digit percent of the electorate
probably that are Democrats who are so far left they
are disillusioned with the party, even as far left as
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it is, and would only vote for a Democrat if
they're also in the Working Families Party line. Ed would
vote for the Canada on the Working Families Parti's line. Now,
to get on that line, you have to sign on
with a bunch of very cartoonish far left policies. And
this is basically what everyone at a Climate Hystoria protest
or a free Palaceline protest believes, being very anti cop
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tacts billionaires and millionaires, and they never say how much,
just always more so those kind of politicians, And Mamdami
himself actually voted for himself on the Working Families Party line,
So he clearly identifies with that faction, and it is
a socialist faction, but it's really the most successful third
party we have in the country, and that if you
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count people who are members of the Working Families Party
plus the Democratic Party, the two have dozens of seats
in New York legislatures and all of that.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I did not realize that he had voted on that line.
What does that tell you? When he's done smiling, he
actually is on the hard left.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
He has the charism of a used car salesman. Whenever
I see that smile, I think you're trying to defraud
me in some way. I don't know. It's just very
bizarre to see because I think for us, there's no
way it's even convincing. But he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
He fundamentally, I don't know if he even views himself
as American, and in fact, his mother himself and this
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was twelve years ago, said that he doesn't. But the
thing that was most notable to me during his election
speech was that line where he says, you know it's
for the Senegalese taxi drivers then used beck nurses. These
were demographics I didn't even know were associated with these professions.
I think it was like mad libs. He was all right,
it was Becky okay nurse. But we on the right
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have for decades criticized Hyphi needed Americanism, so African American,
Hispanic American, Asian American instead of just saying American, and
he reversed it. He dropped the American part. I've never
seen that done before, So I don't know. He does
seem to have an US versus that mentality. When AOC
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was at one of his rallies talking of the groups
who built the country, she never mentioned the British or
the Dutch. It was immigrant groups that have only been
here for the past thirty to fifty years. So he,
I think, views himself and those who support him as
separate from the rest of America, the country's standing stock,
and we're also going to see that appear in his policies.
He himself has called for taxing, in his words, richer,
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whiter neighborhoods. He made an effort to say whiter. So
that's the kind of guy he is.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
How did Alex end up becoming the heir.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
He actually was? Not who people thought would be the
first pick. A lot of people thought his son Jonathan
Sous was going to be the pick. I personally leaned
towards it being Alex, just because I knew that Alex
was the one that was sort of accompanying him on
his business trips growing up, and Alex through his social
media for the past few years leading up to the announcement,
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just all the people who is publicly meeting with Tipney
off that it would be him. But there was an
article in Vanity Fair I believe that talked about this,
and a lot of insiders actually thought that Alex was
the wrong person to lead the organization. And if you've
ever seen the guy speak, he's you know, I'm not
perfect myself, but he's not exactly Shakespearean. Someone who knows
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him described his speaking style as being like that of
a record skipping And I think if anyone goes on
YouTube and looks up his speech of his they'll know
exactly what I mean and probably laugh at that description
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So what do you think motivates Alex?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, I think he's to some extent a carbon copy
of his father. I think that his father was, to
a large extent motivated not only by wealth and power,
but power just for the sake of having it. And
that was the life that Alex was groomed under From
a very young age. He was following his father around
on trips all around the world. So you know, while
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you and I were studying for our high school math tests,
he was sitting in meetings with Nancy Pelosi and world leaders.
And he flaunts it on social media every single day
it seems he is with someone new. He posted one
with Mamdami. I think it was the night over the
day after the election. It was of note because he
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was actually in Europe when he posted that photo, meaning
he took it probably weeks prior realized it might look
bad if the anti billionaire candidate was pictured with a billionaire,
and then decided, all right, well, once the election's over,
we can do that. And I'm told so. He has
posted about third thirty or so photos with the Prime
Minister of Albania, who is wildly accused of turning the
(16:06):
country into a narco state. And I talked about that
in the book. Maybe that's a tie in of why
Alex loves being there so much. Maybe he's profiting from it.
But the former Prime minister told me he has flight
logs that show something like one hundred and forty visits
from Alex to Albania in the past couple of years,
meaning what he's showing us on social media, as much
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as it is, is a microcosm of the true influence
and he has officially even before he took over officially.
In June of twenty twenty three, he was posting a
photo of himself introducing himself to the Prime Minister of
North Macedonia and the caption the photo was it's an
honor to introduce my father to the president, meaning it
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was a connection Alex himself had made and was now
sharing them with his father. It was a total role reversal,
I point out in the book I Know Him Ramblings.
I'll wrap up on that. In the book, he mentioned
that he had basically taken over operations in Europe in
twenty fifteen. That was when George decided he was going
to stop traveling there so often and he needed Alex
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to basically do his job there. So it caused me
to re examine a lot of the influence I had
written about George's influence in Europe around those years. And reanalyzed, well,
what's the evidence of actually being Alex there and having
all weaves together.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
You point out that the level of penetration. For example,
when Biden became president, who are some seventeen people who
came from one of the Soros funded operations, some of
them pretty important, I mean near attendant as a very
major player, had been very big on the Clinton team,
also worked for Obama. But she was president of Center
(17:51):
for American Progress, which Soros was a major, major funder
of Ron Clayton. This really surprised me. He's on the
board of the Center for American prob Action Fund, which
is their lobbying arm. He was Biden's first White House
chief of staff and I think probably far and away
his best chief of staff. I mean, you go down this,
you'd be in to realize they've really penetrated the system
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in some very significant ways.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah. Then there was the three dozen or so meetings
that Alex had at the White House, and a friend
of mine who works at a CYC called NewsBusters. He's
Joe Vasquez. He's got like their Soros guy. So I
asked him if he wanted to go through all the
White House visitor logs with me and I don't know
if this was because of the transition or if Biden's
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administration took them down, but those visitor logs actually got
removed from the website at the end of his presidency. Joe,
I don't know what possessed him to do it, but
he happened to have archived them months prior, so without him,
this chapter would have never come to fruition. Him and
I spent about a month or so going through all
of the visitor logs, and the real challenge was, well,
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let's try to figure out what those visits correlate to.
And there is about two thirds of them there was
some sort of climate issue leading into the meeting or
happening being announced within two weeks after it, so it
might be a correlation, causation, coincidence, but in two thirds
of the cases that's what would happen. And we thought
(19:21):
it was just notable because our research had also shown well,
it was four hundred and thirty eight million dollars he
spent on these climate causes, the first ever writings of
Alex Soros publicly or on climate change, and that's kind
of his issue. So that was our major corelating factor.
But there was one day where in the morning, the
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President of Kenya had visited the White House and it
was at an event where Alex was their president. He
was actually pictured with the President of Kenya. The President
of Kenya was actually working with OSF at the time,
USAID and all these green climate crazy deals and all that,
and his reputation was kind of in patters at home.
(20:05):
There's a lot of corruption allegations. Something like half their
national debt was in fact was linked to corruption, and
this was viewed as an attempt to clean up his
image by having him to be the first Kenyan president
to visit with Joe Biden. But that same exact day,
just hours, I think seven or so hours later, Alex
had a private meeting with Joe Biden. So after that
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then all these climate related deals start occurring with Kenya's
president in the White House and USAID, and it seemed
like a pretty interesting coincidence. If it was one that
all those people would be together, then all these things
linked to Alex would play out. So I think that
was the biggest one that we found there. And also
Patrick Gaspar, the former president of the Open Society Foundation,
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ended up getting an ambassadorship late into the Biden administration
as well.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You also have this I think intriguing strategy, dangerous strategy
where the soress have gone in and spent about forty
million dollars to help elect about seventy five district attorneys
and that's had a real effect on whether or not
criminals get prosecuted. I mean, do you think that was
(21:17):
a deliberate strategy to undermine the rule of law or
what were they thinking?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, I would just say it has to be. You know,
these law and order issues, the most predictable outcome is
going to be the outcome. If you have someone who
tried to murder someone unsuccessfully and a judge says, well,
we're not going to give you any bail, you can
go free. What do we think they're going to do.
My guess would be they might try to kill the
person they try to kill unsuccessfully. If they are an
(21:43):
arson s I think they might go consider more artisan
after this. The problem with these second chance judges is
they think second chances are infinity chances, but a lot
of them ideologically just empathize with criminals. They had this
idea that just circumstances alone can exonerate you if you
had a rough childhood, that's good enough. And it was
(22:04):
incredible that the Joe Biden of the nineteen nineties, when
speaking about the crime bill of all people, said, you know,
I don't care if you had a rough childhood. If
you're a criminal, you're a criminal. I'm going what happened
to that guy? That actually is the attitude that we need.
Obviously that Joe Biden is long gone. You know, the
first book on George I looked through all of the
crime increases under them, and granted some of this was
(22:27):
under the backdrop of the national crime wave in twenty
twenty from the George Floyd protests, but in the places
where there was the protests plus the Soros DA, the
crime rate went up significantly higher. We had crime doubling
in many cities with things like shoplifting. It's so high
that in many places they don't even report it. And
(22:50):
someone pointed out, like the stats can be misleading in
that if you are in a place where you have
to overprotect against it, you were to some extent in
prison your own citizens because you want in prison criminals.
If I have to go into CVS and wait thirty
minutes to get someone to unlock a role of deodorant.
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For me, that is a micro prison you're putting on
your own customers because you won't do it to other people.
And even if you had a scenario where okay, you
have Liberal City where the theft rate is identical to
Safe City, but in Liberal City everything is locked up
and in the Safe City everything's on the honor system,
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are they really the same crime rate? And you can
see in that analogy how misleading the stats are. In
San Francisco, there was one month where there was a
single Target store, just one Target location in the whole city,
and they decided they were going to test out a
new system to report one hundred percent of shoplifting incidents
to the San Francisco Police Department just for one month.
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That month, the crime rate in the entire city doubled.
And there are tens of thousands of business in the city,
One business reporting every shoplifting incident doubled the city's crime rate.
So that just goes to show you that the crime
rates we see, as bad as they are, aren't even
close to what they really are in those cities. And
(24:15):
again everyone knows this, and Chasa Buden was famously ousted
the margin of the vote was basically consistent with the
percent of San Francisco's electorate that are Republican, meaning they
kind of got Kingmaker's status in that election. Without them,
they might still have that DA. So liberals will vote
for the worst people possible and enable them to then degree.
(24:37):
So I am cynical on this issue, and that I
think these judges know exactly what they're doing. I don't
see how they couldn't possibly know it, because it's the
same result every time. There's never been a case where
you let out a guy without bail who committed an
attempted homicide and goes, well, that was nice. I won't
make that mistake again.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Were you right? The George Source did more than any
individual to shape the narrative on drugs in America. Why
did he do that? And how long has he been
doing it?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So since the nineteen eighties. It was what became the
Drug Policy Institute, and they started with marijuana, which was,
I guess, ironically the gateway drug to bigger drug decriminalization
and legalization efforts, where you start with the least harmful
drug and you have the rhetoric of well, we really
want to lock people up over a plan, and I've
(25:46):
gone through the numbers. I don't think we really were
ever locking people up. You were only getting locked up
from marijuana really, if you had a ton of it
in your trunk, or if it was in conjunction with
other crimes. I went through the ones because there is
I think some libert carrying group had seventy thousand people
that have been to jail for weed, and I went
(26:07):
through just a dozen of them, and it's like a
man committed an armed robbery had marijuana on him, and
I'm thinking, well, I don't think the weed was really
the reason here for that, but that's how they would
sell it, and they, through the media as well, convinced
people this was selling to be normalized. And then I
think the narrative they then push after that was harm reduction,
(26:27):
where it was well, we're going to have people do drugs,
so we might as well have it be safe. And
that logic only works if there is a fixed percentage
of the population you're going to be hooked up to
a heroin machine all day and go all right, well,
something we can do, we got to make it safer.
That's not how it works when you normalize drugs. And
take away the stigma you have people do more of them.
(26:49):
And even if you can make drugs safer through these
sorts of efforts, you will also increase the volume by
which they're used. So even if you made the drugs
as dangerous, if you're doing them twice as much, it
nets out to zero. And I have stats there on
the safe injection sites and all these sorts of efforts.
And you also make surrounding areas way less safe in
(27:13):
that you basically are sectioning off a part of town
where you are gonna have drug users congregating and no
one else. Normal people can't go there, so you're gonna
have very shady people. It's gonna increase crime there. So
there's just all these second order effects no one is considering.
And the real solution is, well, we just say you
(27:33):
actually can't do drugs in the street, and if you're
going to, we're gonna have to put you somewhere, and
it's either gonna be prison or some work program where
you can't do drugs. And there's plenty of countries that
do that, but we've convinced ourselves in this country it's
cruel to stop people from destroying their lives.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, you have this general picture somebody is very
far to the left, very pro criminal, very pro drug,
and yet in Ukraine, at least on the surface, he
seems to be an investing money in a way that's
important to a country that's in danger of being overrun.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, so he has been making a lot of connections
with these Lenzi administration. Basically, Zelenzi's number two is a
guy who has been friends with quite a bit. They
post pictures together on social media wishing each other a
happy birthday, so I guess they're somewhat close. He has
met with Solenzia a number of times. He donated a
million dollars to a charity that his wife founded. IBus
(28:31):
did another problem with that ant problem with him helping Ukraine.
The question just is what is he going to do
with the influence after the war, And I think it's
going to be to sort of push a lot of
these sort of social agenda for ins. I have a
whole chapter in Albania and his relationship with the Prime
Minister Eddie Rama, and just last week or so they
(28:52):
passed a law recognizing more than two genders. I talked
to the former prime minister and I said, or I
just texted and I'm like, so is this Alex Soros?
And he just strets back, Absolutely, it's Alex Soros. But okay,
well that makes a lot of sense. One tie and
I did find there with his Albanian influence was there
was a very large munition contract that Ukraine signed with Albania,
(29:17):
and Albania was an odd choice because they don't have
the capabilities to fulfill the contract, so they're basically just
going to sublet that contract out to a different country,
which I just sent a raised the question of why
do you need a middleman? It just seemed like a
favor for his friend Eddie Rama to make some extra money,
given that they could have just contracted directly with whoever's
(29:39):
going to actually fulfill the contract. So there was some
minor corruption there that I think I found. It's a
country that I think pay attention to for how he's
going to try to liberalize the society afterwards.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
This is a person both father and son. Now, as
you point out in your new book The Air Inside
the Not So Secret Network of Alex Soros, this is
two generations of extraordinarily rich people trying to profoundly change
the world. In the direction that most of us would
think's crazy, and they have the money to have a
(30:13):
real impact and.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
They were succeeding. Yeah, I mean, it's I don't know
if it's funny or tragic that his spending is classified
as philanthropy and it's the opposite of philanthropy. The other thing, too,
is his spending two in total is understated because there
was the USAID connection. And I had known of USAID
(30:35):
from writing about George in the past and other left
wing groups, but even I didn't realize the extent of it.
And it is going back to the sort of mad
libs analogy. It was just the craziest forms of left
wing spending you can imagine. It would be like, all right,
we're spending money on helping transgender raccoons learn dance therapy.
I'm going wait a second, what are we spending money
(30:56):
on here? I might have made that one up.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I have a hunch that one was not quite accurate.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
No, it was things in that category of just this
could easily be made up. And George Sorolis has been
working with USAID East with the nineteen nineties. I found
a document from nineteen ninety three on an early project
there to train journalists in Eastern Europe to promote his agenda,
and the way he would get funding from it would
(31:22):
be both from directly getting money to groups that he controls.
So in two thousand and nine under Obama, he used
his influence in USAID to basically change the rules on
what you would have to do to get USAAD funding,
and it was sort of like that Working Families pledge.
You'd have to sign on to a portfolio of just
(31:45):
random left wing ideas like supporting legalizing prostitution, decriminalizing drugs,
things the OSF supports. And this is even for groups
that are not political, would have to sign on to
all of these things. And you'd have groups when you'd
gone to who we're going, I just want to build
a well, why do I have to be on board
with game arriage all all of a sudden, it was
to flex control over a lot of groups globally, and
(32:08):
maybe someone would just have to fake it, but some
of them would go along with it, and then he
would receive billions of dollars to groups that were not
even necessarily groups that he funded or founded, but groups
that were adjacent that had the exact same goals as
him that he would use to work in conjunction with him.
The most notable group that he started was the East
(32:30):
West Management Institute, which got two hundred and seventy million
for USAD and it was actually the bulk of the
usaa DE funding that was direct to him. And that
group is run by a woman named Elina Fiso, and
she is the ex wife of Eddie Rama, the Prime
Minister of Albania. And that group played a very large
role in constitutional reform in Albania and the consequence of
(32:55):
that constitutional reform was it completely left their legal system
and share the percentage of people convicted for drug trafficking collapsed.
There's a backlog for decades and cases that are still
getting worked through, and it coincides with Albania becoming Europe's
first narco state because they lack the capacity to prosecute
(33:15):
these people, and I argue it is by design. There's
an enormous amount of corruption in their permitting process to
build buildings in Almanium, and there is this paradox where
there is a declining population but there is a surplus
an explosion in housing construction, but it is all drug
trafficking money. So they're building these high rises. No one
(33:37):
is living in them, so it's not really adding to
the housing stock. So the average rent there is five
hundred dollars a month. That's basically eighty percent of the
average salary. So if this was legitimate construction, they should
have some of the cheapest housing in Eastern Europe. Because
it's all drug money, it is flooding to supply with
housing that is not actually helping anyone. And I've seen
(33:57):
estimates that Rama the Prime Minister, is worth hundred of
millions in euros, but heart to verify.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Let me just say I think that your new book,
The Air Inside the Not So Secret Network of Alex
Soros is available on Amazon and books risols, and combined
with your earlier work on his father, you may well
be the world's leading expert on the Soros family and
their efforts to undermine the West. And I want to
(34:24):
thank you for joining us. I think this has been
fascinating and I know you're going to go on and
serve the country. The work you've been doing is very
very important.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
He's a lot from you, So thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
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