Carl Nassib: Meeting Taylor Swift, his Rayze app, being an NFL overachiever

On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, former defensive end Carl Nassib joins hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper. Just a year into his retirement from the NFL, Carl is now the CEO and Founder of the volunteer partnering app Rayze. He shares with Roman and Peanut how the idea for the app came after a trip to a youth detention center in Tampa, and how he brought it to fruition despite no previous experience in the tech space. Carl also goes back in time to talk about how he went from a “try hard” walk on at Penn St. to the school’s single-season sack leader, and eventual third-round pick in 2016. And although he’s found success in his second act, Carl explains why retiring from the league was harder than he thought. And Carl shares how he’s adjusting to his new corporate life in the Big Apple.

2:25 - Carl talks about being a slow driver
4:25 - Carl talks about living in New York City
5:49 - Carl shares what he enjoys about retirement
7:50 - Carl discusses what he misses about playing football
9:25 - Carl talks about being a late bloomer
10:50 - Carl shares his welcome to the NFL moment
13:15 - Carl talks about his college experience
16:10 - Carl shares his NFL highlight
17:10 - Carl talks about retirement and founding Rayze
32:07 - Carl talks about being an openly gay player in the NFL
38:34 - Carl talks about meeting Taylor Swift
41:50 - Carl shares the important of financial knowledge
48:27 - Who is the best athlete in Carl’s family?
50:55 - Carl’s best Tom Brady story
51:39 - Carl shares his personal “Mount Rushmore”
56:37 - Carl talks about getting an interception in the NFL
57:37 - Interview wrap up

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everybody. I'm Karl nassa seven year NFL veteran,
the CEO of the Rays app. This is the NFL
Player's Second Acts podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
There we go, There we go?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Wait was it just for him like a sound bite?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah? Yeah, gosh, you just killed their mob. What's up everybody?

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Alt peanut to me and this is the NFL Players
Second Act Podcast and with me as always my late friend.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Uh, I'm still alive.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Wait, you are alive, but you're not my my my unpunctual,
my punctual friend up was not on time?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
My guy? Who's my Tory friend? Roman Harbor? What's so?
Maybe how you feeling? I'm doing good man? I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
And you know the thing about recording is that they
do not know I'm late until you earlier today.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
And it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
I like what you're wearing. You got the Alabama here
you matching up top with this? Like you know what
I'm saying. All right, let me just get onto what
I need to say, which is thank you to all
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(01:36):
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And once again, thank you for iHeart Radio Studios here
in New York for hosting us this weekend. It's been
really great time. So Peanut, uh, let's introduce our guests.
Go ahead, Yeah, we got a we got a local.
We got a local. Guy is a local. He just
drove right on over in his Yukon Grandma Driver.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Letters were going.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
He's a third round pick in the twenty sixteen draft
out of Penn State. I played seven seasons in the
NFL as a defensive end linebacker with the Browns Raiders
on the Bucks, recorded twenty five and a half sacks
in his career. He is now the CEO of a
tech company called Race. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to
the show.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Carl Nasa, Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
All right, So, Carl, how does it feel to be
a champion of the Slow Driver's Crew.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
It's great, man, It's a it's a crown that I,
you know, take very seriously and represents the slow drivers.
My little brother is constantly get his feet. I mean, wow,
I don't need to get anywhere that quickly. Man, I'm retired,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's because this energy. Are you podcast? Are you a
ten and two driver?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
I'm just like a six. I just like chill down here, Okay,
I mean yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
You like here, or like I like you a little
bit more now because you said you were six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm chilling, you know what I mean. Sharing the Sloan
drivers that are ten and to y'all make me sick.
I can't. I can't a little bit run road. I
got it. I got soccer practice, I got to go
to I like living in New York this year.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I do feel a little bit of you know, road rage,
like seeping into my bloodstream. Like there's something about the
city learning driving through that. I was driving home. I
was driving home getting out of the city. This was
like two weeks ago, and I was like, damn, I've
been living in New York like this. You know, We're
all stuck in traffic trying to get in the Hollo Tunnel,
and this cab is laying on his horn for like

(03:36):
probably twenty seconds. So I rolled down my let a curse.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
On this, go for it, so let it fly, let
it fly down.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I'm downtown, like you know, I think it's Tribeca where
I was, wherever the Hollo tunnel comes in. And I
rolled down my window. He's honking on his hoover twenty
seconds and I swim shut though up and it like
reverberated through the streets. And then he heard it and
like stopped honking. And then this like really out of
shape dude walking by and goes thank you, and I'm
like I just I just pointed at him like there

(04:04):
was like yeah. I was like, you're welcome. And I
was on the phone with my sister. She's like what's happening,
and so I was like something, and I just cared
on them by day so like that, you know you
when in Cleveland, Tampa and Vegats that was never me.
So there's some transitions happening on a deeper level that
I know, or for the better.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh my god. That's kind of well.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
This all started because before we started this whole conversation,
this whole podcast, before we kicked it off, Carl was saying, like,
you know, I don't drive fast. You know, I'm always
just kind of like, and we're wunning because you live
here in the city. I'm like, how you not on
level twelve all the time in the car?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
He's like, I just kind of I mean, another thing
about living in the city, my caffeine addiction has skyrocketed.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
You know what I mean. There's something about living in
New York.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's like an unspoken competition about who's the busiest. And
I'm like, dude, it's it's not that serious again, Like
we get it. You go to you go to work,
you know what I mean. But have you ever been
in an NFL camp? Like, no, you haven't, so like
you don't know what busy is true? Uh, you know
what is that comparison?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
In New York? It's so easy? You know.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I went to the US Open and I watched like
one of the best. I mean, it was the first
time at US Open I saw playing ball. It was electric.
And you know, my boyfriend went to the Olympics for
swimming and I'm watching or watching him and I said, man,
it must be nice to just player sport and not
having somebody across the ball trying to kill you, you
know what I mean, trying to punch you in the face,
Like you just get to go out there player sport, Like, no,

(05:30):
they can't even get five feet from you. You know, he's
on the other side of the court, like being a swimmer.
He's like, yeah, it's pretty nice. You know, you can't exactly. Yeah,
So like nothing comparison football, nothing compares to that type
of physicality, that commitment. So it's it's all pretty pretty
easy skating from retirement.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
All right, So tell me what is the best thing
about retirement so far? You've used the term a couple
of times. What is the best thing about it? So,
I mean this list could go on and on.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
It's, uh, you know, the top five is watching football.
I mean when I it was the last thing I expected,
Like when football, Yeah, so you know I was on
the Browns. We were terrible. Like, you know, I was one.
I entered the league and I was one and thirty one.
That was my record first two years in the league.

(06:20):
Like I think I had nine defensive coordinators in seven years. So,
like there were so many things that came with playing
football that like I hated, and it was like the media,
some of the you know, outside things that come with
being an NFL player. So it was like a love
hate relationship, and now I just love it and it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
This was like last.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Sunday, I think I was, you know, watching four hours football.
I had to get up and go to the basement
gym and like run a mile and then get back
to watching football because I was like rotting on my
couch as a potato just watching hours and hours in football.
So that's definitely number one. I'm really surprised at how
much I love just watching the game, and like I'm
you know, texting all my former teammates, you know, great plays.
It's it's really I can't wait to go to a

(06:59):
game and see them play in person. So definitely watching
football is and one of at least the most surprising
benefit of that's cool retiring.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah cool, I didn't think you'd say that. I didn't.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, dude, I just really enjoy watching the game.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Now it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I used to get so annoyed at these commentators because like,
you just have the stress and you're under so much
pressure and the competition is so high that you have
you're one more person critique in you. You're like that
he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and
you just get so mad. And now I'm like I
just haven't like all that stress is gone. You know,
they're explaining things to my European boyfriend, it doesn't know
any of like he's actually getting better at the rules. Like,

(07:40):
oh man, they're explaining things, you know, like their commentary
is explaining it to people who didn't grow up playing.
So uh, it's entertaining and I love it. So it's
very surprising that I am loving it this much. So
what do you miss, if anything about the game. Oh
that's a lot. I miss a lot. I miss It's weird.
I miss thing like being an all out sprint on

(08:03):
the field.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
You still do that, I know, but it's like I.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Was not giving these I was like, if you were
to like to do this again tomorrow, I can couple
the better as I was like, we can run it
back tomorrow and I can have better answers for you.
But I have this like weird inner urge to sprint
as fast as I can, and like I don't do that.
I like, you know, run on the treadmill, hit the bike,
work out most days, and I just miss being fast.

(08:34):
I miss playing the game, like I really miss just
playing football rushing quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Time you sprinted like full speed, You're right, Carl, you
know what I mean. I think I'm like sprinted since
I like like gutted it, gutted it like you're trying
to hit top speed on like a flying twenty or something.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
You know what I mean. Minute is probably good for this.
I think I should totally do that.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I might say you're the dust when we've done, let's
go on the streeting in sprint. Do you want to
do it now? You need some soft surface you.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Can't down in New York.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Let's do it. I don't think I want to be
injured in New York. Honestly, look at me.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Let's do It'll be expensive, to be really expensive. I
don't think I want to be Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, that's the most expensive ambulance.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
So what I want to know is you finally got
to start your senior year. And when you and senior
you went to Penn State dominated your senior year. I
read you barely started in high school.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
So yeah, I was a late bloomer and like the
latest of bloom instead I've ever happened. I never started
in high school when I was a freshman in high school,
I was five nine and when I left high school,
I was six six, so I grew like three inches
every single year. And I was really lucky to get
a walk on spot at Penn State. And it took me.

(09:56):
I got my scholarship after two years, but then it
took me to my fifth year to get at that
starting role, like a solidified starter like coaches back in me.
I got fifteen and a half sacks in ten games,
and then I, you know, yeah, it was just really cool,
you know, broke the Penn State single season record.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know, yeah, man, come on with some respect on
your boy.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
And so I actually just went back for a Penn
State game, yeah, a few weeks ago, and again I
wanted to get on the field.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I was like, man, I retired too early, so I
should have been out there. And I was like, it
was like, I would beat the out of any one
of these dudes on this field right now. They probably
couldn't even black prole. And they played.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Delaware and both my dad and my little brother went
to Delaware and they they beat the breaks off of
the players. It was like seventy three to ten or something.
So yeah, it was I missed Penn State. It was like,
I got the best feeling being back there. So what
was so we all have our welcome to the NFL moments?

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Right, So you're you're a late bloomer, you dominate your
senior year, all these SAgs BA the Penn State record.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Now you get drat dude third round.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
So you kind of I don't know, maybe feeling yourself,
maybe not, but you get to the league.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
What was that welcome to the NFL moment for you? Oh? Man?
What was that? Few? Tyron Smith?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Oh goof just like.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Like he's screaming at me. I'm like, what where am I?
What is happening here?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Like you know, I'm going going against tackles that are
going to Indiana and Maryland. You know there are probably
accountants right now, and I go, you know, we played
the Cowboys. I think twenty sixteen. I think that was
the first year. I mean they might have been like
fourteen to two that year. You know, they were they
were humming, and you know, he it was like, I'm
not I shouldn't even be out here.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
This should mean you guy should be played with ten
you know what I mean? Liability.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So it wasn't really like a. Well, it was a moment.
It was a three hour welcome to the NFL going
up against Yeah no, oh yeah, they had the best
line in the league.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
They year. This is so bad. This is so bad.
Over three pounds so bad.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
So, like you know, CT is a very serious thing.
But like I lost my peripheral vision in that game.
I like had to come out of the game like
they were like doing testas like I can't see your finger,
and so I was like like a chicken. I couldn't
see somebody right next to me. So man, I was
getting my ass beat and then I lost my perfle vision.
So that was definitely h or my rookie year. This

(12:29):
is my rookie year.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Tom Brady came back off of his uh the flate
gate suspension, first came back in Cleveland, put up five
hundred yards on us five touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I'm like, bro, you know who you going to guess?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Man, the whole stadium is twelve jerseys, you know what
I mean, the whole stadium. And you know I played
with Tom and Tample last year and I went out
to him and I was like, you know you were
for that, Like you just really killed us. You have
to do it that bad. So Tyron and Tom really
killed me in my rookie year. Yeah, oh that is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I never would have thought that. He's like, yeah, the
NFL was. Yeah, it was a solid three hours. It
was a solid three hours.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know what I mean. Marshawn Lynd said it. He's like,
you know something like you're gonna get got and I got,
I got got.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
So before we keep going to the NFL, I want
to go back because this is something that's kind of
as I was doing a little bit of research. I
don't even know if you knew this, but you know,
your last year in college, you won your first team
All American, first time since Tamba Halle actually at Penn
State at the tay at the time, you were the
Rotary Lombardy Award winner, which went to the best D

(13:38):
line and linebacker in college football that year. So you
won that award. You also won the Ted Hendricks Award,
which is the top defensive end. I mean, you're racking
up all these awards for like the Prime Time at
the Prime Time and you won the Lot Impact Award Trophy,
and but at all these things you won, you didn't
win the b the Borough war Yeah, bro, what.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Which like the top? I thought it was Baker. Yeah yeah,
he was like a hockey ball. Yeah, he was like
a Heisman finalist. So yeah, yeah he'd be me like
you t me win that any other year, you know,
I mean the walk Ons were represented that year. That
was a good year for walk Ons and so yeah, dude,

(14:21):
that's like the only one I really wanted, man, Like crazy, Yeah,
I instagram by the only Instagram I was walking on university.
Like being a walk On is like the fabric of
my identity. Like it is not easy. When I first
got to Penn State, we couldn't even work out with
the scholarship players. Yeah, I had to pay for team dinners.
Like it was so different than.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It is now. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
We would sneak into like the dining halls and ship
like just to get dinner.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah you pull in college. Yeah, poor, we're selling plasma.
Yeah it was real, like you're selling bloo.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
You're like for me. They said, all you do is
eat weights all the time all the time.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
One time, you know, my buddy and I we were
you know, games on Saturday, coming in Sunday morning for
a workout and They actually were annoyed. They were like,
why do I have to like work this guy out
at Sunday? So they put us on a versa climate
for an hour, and so we were working out so much,
meaning you know a couple of other walk ons and
we were nobodies back then, you know what I mean,
Like I look back at you know, eighteen year old Carl,

(15:23):
he was probably a scrub and so, yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
I was living in the gym man.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
The classic you know, try hard white guy, just living
in the weight room, eyes in the playbook, just killing it. Yeah,
it worked out for it worked out great, worked.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
The trenches. Yeah, I'm very very proud of my That
is so funny though, Yeah, classic white guy. All right,
so what would you say? All right now back to
I know, right, it's funny because that's literally all.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
That's all I got about the guy can't bend for
moted guys just can't.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, you know what I mean. I've heard
it too many times. I'm like, come up with a
different adjective to describe me, please, like try hard and
it's not as good as anymore.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
So tell me this. What would you say back to
the NFL? What would you say, is your highlight of
your NFL career?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
You need the top five again. I mean, I love
all your answers so far. Number one that none of
them are expected.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So none of events. Yeah, keep it surprising full time.
I'm surprised.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, I think being captain of the Bucks gag, you
know what I mean? That was that was really that
was probably one of the more, you know, bigger things
I was proud of was getting elected captain of the
Defense in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
And that was that was cool experience.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, I come up from a walk on like we
talked about, yeah, and that's like, yeah, that's like a
really reassuring and you know, confidence building thing. So and
we you know, we had a great defense the year
before that year, so you know, we weren't we weren't
scrubs like we were. We were balling out and you know,
probably that would be the highlight.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
That's cool. That's cool.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
So when we all retire, most of the time, it's
not on our terms, right, So you retired on.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Your own terms.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
So was that decease Was that decision easier for you
because you had a business and you were the CEO
of raise.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, I think it was way easier that Yeah, so raises,
you know, a two side of no. But okay, to
the listeners, it's amazing. So I came up with the
raise while I was volunteering with the Buccaneers at a
juvenile the Lincoln Center in Tampa. There were kids as
young as thirteen years old in jail cells. A lot

(17:45):
of them are running away from a violent home environment.
And I left that experience and I was like, how
did we not know these kids were there? Like they
were half a mile from a team of millionaires and
none of us knew that they were there. So I said,
there needs me an app out there where I go
on my phone and I see every volunteering opportunity, every
nonprofit and it's so easy. I can do it like

(18:06):
the quickest way possible. So this was back in twenty eighteen.
This almost five years ago, and you know, a month
after that, I got Raised trademarked, got a patent attorney,
and got the name trademarked, and we launched last year
right before the season. We launched July on the app
Store last year, and then I got signed by the Bucks,
so we kind of put everything on hold. And so

(18:26):
what we do is we connect nonprofits to the next
generation of donors and volunteers. You have these kind of
aging nonprofits that are all run by you know, they
have boards who are you know, mostly filled with people
who are later in their careers. They're like, oh, I know,
I've I've made my career. I want to tire and
give back. And they really don't do a good job
of connecting with young millennials gen z, who are some

(18:48):
of the most socially conscious people in the plant on
the world, you know, in the world. So we may
get super easy to donate. You can donate to one
point eight million charities and three clicks, which is really
really special, and you can have all those receipts on
your profile. So tax season comes around when you want
to itemize your deductions, you don't have to search your
email inbox, you don't have to find a receipt from Goodwill.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
You have it all in one place.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
So we really really do a good job of the
donation piece, because nobody wants to write a check or
carry cash anymore, right, so people still need to get
back to charity, but like who who who does it?
Like I don't even know where my checkbook is. At
least if you're if you're asking me to write a check,
put in an envelope, I don't have an envelope. I'm
not going to the post office to get a stamp,
you know what I mean. I got to put it
in a mailbox. And then someone's magically going to appear

(19:33):
and take that envelope. And it's like, I just don't
even and I'm thirty, you know what I mean. Imagine
like asking a young person to make a donation via check.
So we make donations, do you I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I think I wrote one check, but I mean like
young people below, Oh, there's no way. Have you ever
wat I wrote a check? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's almost like intimate experience. It's almost like I'm writing
this and I'm like, they better appreciate this, you know
what I mean, Like I am taking the time out
of my day getting a pen, you know what i mean, right,
ripping it out this whole like it is. It is
a process and it is excruciating. So we do great

(20:18):
with donations, and then we're adding over eighty thousand volunteering opportunities.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Do you know how to code?

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Oh? Yeah, dude, I don't know a thing about coding.
My developer, Jim, shout out Jim, he's the best.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Jim.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, he went to college at like fifteen or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah. One of those. Yeah, one of those. He's a legend.
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
We have a great partnership a Volunteer Match. They're an
amazing nonprofit that other nonprofits used to get volunteers and
we're working with them and you know, collaborating.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
So it's it's going really really well.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
So I'm like, I'm a little slow. I'm a criminal
justice major. I don't have a big brain. You look
like you got a big brain. You went to Penn State.
You measured in biology. Yeah right, So where did the
whole tich idea come from?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:02):
So I have no background in running a business. I'm
a football player with a degree in biology. So you know,
it came from that experience in Tampa, and it had
We've pivoted multiple times. As I've gone to know the
nonprofit industry, you realize that, you know, the common pain
points between all these different nonprofits. How are they meeting donors?
You've realized, you know the problems that every individual donor

(21:25):
is having, like you know, you guys walk the streets,
you get you know, the solicitation of these people from
Save the Children, an American Red Cross. They have the iPads
take twenty minutes to donate through them. Right, So when
you solve little problems that millions of people use, that's
a very valuable solution. It's not rocket science, right, We're
just removing friction. And you know, I just have really

(21:45):
learned it from doing it for almost half a decade.
And you know, retiring was a lot tougher than I
thought it was going to be. And so a month
post I didn't I had this conversation today. I had
no idea how actually stressed I was this summer about retiring,
like I've been this whole month of September and now
and now we're in October. Like I've been so happy

(22:07):
because I was not. I didn't realize how stressed I
was about retiring, because it's you're leaving this entire career
that you've had since pressure grade.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
So even though I did have like a business and
you know, I'm so passionate about raise, it was still
really hard. So very yeah, it hit I've been saying that.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, man, I agree with it. Yeah, I totally agree
with that.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
And so now I'm feeling really good about it and
watching a lot of football. Yeah, you know, I got
a lot of my former teammates are investing in raise
getting a part of it. Like that's really really exciting
as well. What's been the toughest part about the retirement? Like,
I know, so for me, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I didn't take any time off.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
I know you took your you took your time off,
but yeah, you essentially, I mean, I don't know a star
playing eighth grade. Yeah, and then I retired at thirty
four and you get in this regiment of and I know,
for me, it was just like Dan, what what do
I do next?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Like, man, I feel weird. I feel this is yah.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
I don't I'm not in my locker room on my teammates.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'm you know, are you missing?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Probably the camaraderie, man, Like there's nobody funnier than like
a group of football players.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Sure you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
So my buddy bo Allen, shout out bo Allen. He
just started this segment on his podcast called low Lights,
and I was just on it last week. So he does, like,
your worst plays in the NFL, you know those like
Welcome to the NFL moments yea, and it is I'm like,
I was crying laughing, like it was so funny, Like
I miss like like the film Day After After and

(23:36):
someone gets their ass b like that is all funny.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, We've all been there.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
That is.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
It's like I was crying laughing. It was so funny.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
And so that's one of the biggest things I miss
is like when the day after a game, hopefully a win,
like watching the film chopping it up, laughing and then
going home and you know, having Tuesday off. So that
was like, a that's something I missed for.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
So do you think like your stress factor are because
you missed the game, you missed the people, or it
was just like you just didn't know you didn't know
what to do. Well, you kind of knew what to
do next, but it was like I still don't have
like this one thing I've had my whole life, I think.
And for me, it was more like I think I
felt anxiety for like the first time in my life

(24:17):
when I all of a sudden, I looked up and
I was like, I don't even think I knew what
anxiety was.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
That it's like a feeling that you didn't feel before
trying to assess it right, and so you felt it
after retirement or like right before it.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
No, after retirement, like I was aft. It was also
like all right, now I'm trying to figure out what
I want to do.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I knew I was cool, I.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Was ready, but then all of a sudden, what's the
next chapter? And me in that process for me was
like all right, I'm sitting here while me and the wife.
I mean, it's cool to go to lunch and stuff
every day, but like she's sick of me, and I
think I'm sick of her too.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I think it's I think it can lead to I
was like, don't out of the house.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
She's like, yeah, she doesn't listen to us.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
So I think like athletes are so goal oriented. You know,
you have personal goals, team goals, Like ever since you're
a kid, you have a goal of making the NFL.
When you get to the NFL, what's your goal?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Super Bowl? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Like you live your entire life on milestones and goals.
So when you're tired in the NFL, like if you
don't maintain that mentality and like that kind of reward
of you know, hitting milestones, achieving things. Small goals as
little as they are, that kind of kind of lead
into bigger goals that kind of like throws you off.
So I know I would recommend other players that are

(25:39):
retiring moving on the next chapter is like constantly set
goals for yourself because you know, I'm motivated by visions
of the future. I think, like when I'm in bed
at night, I'm thinking about cool things that I can
do in the future, and that's what like really makes
me happy, gets me motivated. So going from being an athlete,
you're always doing that just naturally, so having something to
do after that is important.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
I know you talked about with Rays here and you
had the whole pivot situation. You're going back and forth
and it's not exactly how well you had this vision,
but it's not exactly it's turned into way more than
what you thought it was originally. Well, I want to
go back to the time you spent at the youth
Detention center. Sure, like being in there, what was in
there that made you besides the fact they're like, man,

(26:22):
this is like right down the road here totally, but
like how did this be Like all right, how did
it turn into Okay, well I want to do this
and now I got I got this business, I gotta
start or.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Just tell me what that whole, that whole vibe was
like going in there, being in these youth detention centers.
I don't think I've ever been one myself. So two
things really stuck out to me, or stick out to
me now. The first thing is, you know, their thirteen
year old kids in there, and they have no books.
They're reading Doctor Seuss, so like they weren't you know,
this wasn't like they were in jail. This was like,
you know, they were picked up off the street, running

(26:53):
away from, like I said, a violent home environment. So
it was more like a processing thing, and they were
just kind of waiting for a few days, maybe a week,
two weeks. I don't know exactly how long they were there,
but it definitely wasn't an extended period of time. But
while they were there all day for days at a time,
like they had no books to read and they were
just wanting a little bit of something. I don't even
know if they can have phones.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I feel like they just wanted books, and so that
like something so small, you know, they don't want to
read Doctor Seuss. They want to read something that they
can get educated or you know, be entertained by. So
you know, that really stuck out to me, something so
simple that they needed. And then looking back on it now,
I was having this conversation a month ago with somebody
in the NFL, and you know, very rarely do people

(27:36):
realize that those opportunities the NFL presents to players can
actually be life changing. Yea, you know what I mean,
Like this is something that was the Bucks set up,
you know, through their community relations, just like they do
it almost every Tuesday. You guys know what it is like,
you know the Tuesday you know, like guys sign up. Yeah,
it's like maybe if your family, yeah, exactly, the weekly

(27:57):
service day. So you know, some people think like, oh,
it's just for image. No, this could be a life
changing opportunity and it actually has changed my life, which
is kind of a wild to think about it. Five
years ago, Like you you sign up for something on
a random Tuesday, you don't realize it can totally alter
the trajectory of your life in a really really positive
and meaningful way. So those two things like really stick

(28:18):
out to me now looking back on it, and so
I'm super thankful that I was given that opportunity, and
I hope that NFL players that are now in the league,
college players too. Like giving back to your community and
getting involved really can impact you in such a crazy
meaningful way.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I tell this to people all the time.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
It's like, so often people think when you show up
to these charity events or these other things, They're like, oh, man,
you're pouring into them, and I'm like, dude, you so
much more walk away.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Have totally fulfilled.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
And it's like, man, I feel so much more energized
because I feel more poured into than what people understand
that I had to do this talk to this morning.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
That's why I was a little tardy speaking. Man. We
put up this wall. Put up the wall. Man, just
put up this wall.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's a this abusive relationship with you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Do you feel that? Yeah, I'm got to moderate this.
I'm going get it together. Thank you? Could you please
get it together? I'm sorry?

Speaker 4 (29:17):
And so yeah, just like I feel so much more
poured into good.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That makes me happy. Yeah, man, thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
So I just think I just think that's just a
real life experience, and I feel like you clearly have
been feel more fulfilled after doing.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
This totally, totally.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I was a businessmen going it's been going great, It's
it's really busy. I feel like I get imposter syndrome
a lot. You know, being a football player with a
degree in biology, you know, it's very humbling when I'm
building sales funnels and creating marketing you know, marketing plans
and really doing things outside my comfort zone. But there
are a lot of parallels from football to business, and

(29:56):
I really try and you know, lean into those. Like
everybody that works for me, I ask them, like, how
do I put you in a position to make you
do what you do best?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
So many times in the NFL you get a coach.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
You got to do it my way.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, that's so freaking frustrating, right when you have something
that you know you're good at, you've done it your
whole life, and then you come into a new job,
a new coach, new boss, and they make you do
it totally different. So you know, with my team at Raise,
I want people to be happy. I want people to
be feel valued, and you know that actually resonates and
that is something that like We've really made a staple

(30:30):
of you know, our working relationships and it's been really great.
I you know, there's passion in giving back and like, yeah,
you know, you go from football where it's the most
passionate people like you love it, right, And so now
I'm working I vote my life to work with nonprofits
and empowering nonprofits and increasing their revenue or reducing their costs.
And it's like you meet people who are so passionate

(30:51):
about their life, you know, I really you know, you
can get a corporate job and like people are just
kind of doing it to cash a check. But you know,
when you work with nonprofits, they really do voting their
lives to other people, and they have so much passion.
So there's a lot of parallels there and passion projects. Yeah,
working when you do those, yeah, I mean sometimes sometimes

(31:12):
you feel like he was working today for your passion
project this morning.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Oh no, No, My passion project right now is is
you know I work for the SEC network. Car I
don't know if you.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Know that, but my passion yea, my passion project right
now is I think I can make.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Vanderbilt's defense better.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Oh nice, Like I'm watching the film Hardcore right now,
and they run they run mostly quarters for three but
they just like a lot of bad eye violations, like
a lot of little things. And I feel like, as
I'm starting to build up more and more film on them,
I'm gonna like I'm gonna take like a whole twenty
minutes on one of my shows and like, this is
my passion probably just really I've been pointing. I got
all kinds of notes, but this is like my core

(31:50):
passion project right now is Vanderbilt's Defense.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Okay, very cool, thank you. So yeah, I do feel
good about it though. Okay, maybe it's not like you're
gonna kill it. Man, I believe in you. Thank you, Yes,
thanks dog, thank you. All right, well up on him, man,
We're going to take a short break and we'll be
right back.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
In twenty fourteen, Michael Sam came out and was drafted
as an openly gay person and it was super controversial
at the time. All right, then you came out as
the first openly gay person that was a current player active,
and it was almost like it was very accepted. You
said it, and everybody was like, man, great job, proud
of this, and we moved on. It wasn't even it

(32:31):
was just a blip on the radar. Really, I thought
it'd been way It was not at all. I don't
know if you.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Felt it or not, but that was really what it was.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
And then this past year, the Jaguar strength coach Kevin
Maxon came out and I heard I read that he'd
actually talked to you a little bit and he said
like cause he was really like, all right, well, I
want to continue to not try and hide who I am.
I want to be I want to feel like I'm
myself and it's okay. But he was also so nervous
about other people's opinion about him, and but you encouraged him,

(32:59):
like do it was all good and it was almost
and then now he was celebrated. Yeah, So like, can
you talk about the evolution for sure of that and
what the NFL is together and what is where it
stands today?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I think, you know, in culture in the United States
as really in the last ten years. I mean it's
twenty twenty three. Same sex marriage was legalized in twenty fifteen,
and that you know, Mike came out in twenty fourteen,
and so I feel like that was a huge turning
point in a lot of people's eyes like okay, now,
like you have the laws behind him, Like it shifts culture.

(33:32):
It really outlines how people should be respected. And so
for everybody that was involved in that, you know, I
always say, like politics are downstream of culture, right, So
there was a lot of work, and I always I
always give thanks and like appreciate everybody that came before
me and like lay the groundwork for me to be
in this position, you know what I mean, People like
Michael Sam, people like our Kay Russell who came out

(33:52):
and you know, put the work in and like those
are all the people that I am very thankful for.
And I try and actively, you know, help people coming
after me. And so you know, I'm very thankful of
all the support that I got when I came out.
It's been a couple of years and I'm still getting people,
you know, messaging me and coming up to me saying

(34:13):
how that impacted them. And you know, when I talked
to Kevin over a year ago, and remember when it was,
it was definitely last year. You know, he was taking
his time. And that's my thing is like I never
want to rush anybody in their journey. It's such a
it's such a unique and special journey. And it's like
it doesn't happen in a day, right, it's a very yeah,
it's a long process. Like, yeah, so journey, you know,

(34:35):
everyone's journey is different. And so Kevin is doing a
great job and like he has the respect of his team,
other coaches, everything, and so you know, I'm very very
proud of him, very very proud of everybody that you know,
has come before me. And yeah, I really I can't
say enough how lucky that I am. And I hope

(34:55):
that I'm doing a good job of continuing to like
carry the torch of everyone and that's come before me,
And so people that come after me, can you know,
have a better experience than I even did, which will
be ten out of ten for them.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Well, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Well, this is one question that's kind of off the wall,
and it's like, I mean, you had a great experience
besides Tyran Smith, Right.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, did you ever go up against Trent Williams? Yeah?
All right, So which one was worse?

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Because Trent Williams was the scariest mofo I've ever had
to go up against. Like I begged him to let
me go one time because he's in December.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I played the Niners in the summer this December, and
Trent moves and he pulls and they do a lot
of things. Mean, Kyle Shannon, that blocking scheme is illegal.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
He should be illegal. I mean he's a genius. He's
a certified genius.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
And he's like he's like a tea shirt playing amongst
amongst students. Like their their scheme is pretty ridiculous. And
I mean they still use a fullback right, like yeah
they do, so no, no.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Dig on juice.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
But in December, we were playing the Niners and I
was like on a one on one block with Trent
and then white Boy long hair Kittle, Yeah, sorry, long
Day Kittle came and like came out of nowhere and
just like hit me four yards, Like where do you
come from?

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Like they're they're they're going all over the place.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
So you know, I think Tyrone really like but that
was seven years ago that he played him. Yeah, I mean,
I have no perspective changed very quickly, yeah what I mean?
So yeah, yeah, Trent's that dude. Though I think he
probably moves better than Tyrone. I don't know who's stronger,
but Trent's.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
I also want everybody to realize like how important NFL
locker room is. Like to hear Carl the way he
describes players, like, oh, it's this white guy, long hair,
like black got that like football, Like we don't care
about a lot of things. I would understand, like it
should have been a blip on the radar when you
came out because as guys and players like, we just
genuinely don't care. Can you help with hys ring? That's

(37:05):
all we want a ring with you?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
It's like one that.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
It just goes to all these like really backward stereotypes
about football players in general outside of like you know
what I mean, that we're unintelligent, uneducated, homophobic, like just
stuck in the sand.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
That is so not true, and it's probably one of
the most open places, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Football and sports in general are just like you get
people coming from all different walks of life, from all
different experiences, and you have to work together because the
reward is so insanely amazing, you know what I mean,
Like you can just really change your life, your family's
lives through sports, and that's very rare in other industries.
So you have to like come together and work together

(37:49):
and and just like Can we work together? Can I
trust you? Like we all are dependent on each other's success, right,
so most of us are. And I don't know how
it depends. I am on a kicker success, but you
know what I mean, Yeah, I hate long snappers do here.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
They're not in shape. All they do is play golf. Yeah,
they played golf.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
They're not even like be in shape at least like
self respect.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
What I'm saying, we don't care about anything else except
if you're a long staff.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
But you know what I mean, that's the only thing.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
You gotta walk, you know, walk on the eggshells around us.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, but no, I agree with you, like you got
to forget everything else, Like can you help us win?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah? Yeah. It's one of the coolest things.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
One of the craziest things that we've been experiencing right
now is this, uh, this Swifty has taken over.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I mean he's literally taken over the lead. Let's talk
about it. First of all, you're swifty. Come on, man,
check the tape. Check the tape. We talked about this
on the day.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Check check Hard Knocks Bro talked about it.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I got out of the NFL too quick just because
of this.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Okay, this is two worlds colliding. I've been a Swifty
since high school, Okay, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I almost don't even like.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
All these bandwagon front like fans of t Swift. Like
I went to her concert two nights in a row
in Philly front row. It was the best experience of
my life. It was three and a half hours of
purely for you. She is like ten out of ten
I'm in. I mean, I'm in a huge Swifty for
half my life, it's been She's the.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Best, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
And you know, having her at the games, watching the NFL,
I mean it is. I mean like it's like America
had never been at the strongest, Like this is, this
is peak existence for this country.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
You know, put them on put them on a.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Ticket for like vice president president, they will get it done.
I just believe in this, you know what I mean,
Like the United States has never been stronger than before
Taylor in the NFL collapsed and so I'm here for it.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I love it. She was just here in New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I met her. What did you buy to impress her?
When did you meet her? So?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
I met her in twenty seventeen. This is actually one
of the funny stories of all the time, and your funnies,
your stories have been very like hilarious, hilarious, and so
one of the guitarists for Paul Sadoti shout out Paul,
He's the best.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Paul. He is best.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Friends with the equipment manager of the Browns, Brad at
the Browns, shout out Brat. So like they hooked it
up where she was playing at the brown Stadium and
so you know, I got a mirror backstages before COVID,
before everything else where you could, like she would see
fans before State. So it's literally me and like all
these little girls and their parents.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
And me, I'm in the back like waiting.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
So like they bring a group in the like meter
at a time, and it's like all these little girls.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
She goes, Oh, are these your daughters, And I was like, no,
I'm by myself.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
So it was like I I like gave her a
signed jersey, said hello, took a photo. She was absolutely lovely.
You know, I'm a huge fan. I got to meet
her parents. They were huge Penn State fans. They're just
a great family. So yeah, I've been a swifty for
for too long. And now I'm just happy everyone's catch
it up. I'm a trend setter, you know, dude, I'm

(41:37):
part of the behive as well.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Check the tape. So if I had to actually to
shoes swifty, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Actually, on that same episode of of Hard Knocks you
talked about compound interest. I was surprised, like how educated, Like, well,
not how educated you were, but like, man, the education process,
Like I don't think enough people understand how much that
happens in NFL locker rooms as well, where like you
have young guys come in that truly just don't understand

(42:10):
about money, the potential of money. And when you start
to ask these questions, how much and how many of
us actually learn things that are important, that are more
often life lessons going forward. And now you talked about
compounding interest, like you take this one hundred thousand dollars,
but you know you keep it in the bank, and
what compounding interest does you know? You earn this percentage

(42:31):
and by next year you earn this much more percentage.
You continue to stack and stack and stack, and so
it was a great job by Yanks mans. I mean
they say compounding is this eighth wonder of the world. Man,
It's something that people need to realize. And when you're
a young NFL player, you get a lot of money,
very young and very quick. Being an investor, a young investor,

(42:51):
you have all the years to you know, make your
money work for you. And you know, NFL athletes and
now college athletes, high school athletes can now make money
through NIL. I mean, this is a huge opportunity. Like
I said, I was sneaking into the yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
The dining hall.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I mean kids, how false a g Yeah what I'm saying.
So you then I actually posted about that. That's annoying
the walk ons in and get any No, that pisses
me off.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
No, you're just like really yeah, I know, God, I'm
in here just lifting all these weights.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Not pumped the gas like they got pumped the gas.
Yeah yeah, that's that's their all. That doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
No, But like you see at the bottom, like they're
responsible for the tax implications because anytime they get anything,
there's tax implications, Like the government will come after you.
They do not care how old you are, they do
not care who you are. They will put anybody in jail.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Right, The I R.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
S Is not around, you know, so like when you
give these kids money, you you know they're getting, they're
getting something. Well in October, you know, come April of
twenty twenty four, they're like, oh, ten thousand dollars on
this car. I don't have ten thousand dollars in cash, right,
So then you can't pay it. Then you get fine,
and then they come after you, and then what do
you get. You get these young guys who are going
to get deals, and then they're going to try and

(44:06):
hide that income in certain ways, and that's when tax
evasion comes, and that's where they get really, really in
big trouble. So I actually work with Financial Finesse and
so what they do is they provide financial wellness workshops
as a benefit to employers, and they actually started to
do that with college and high school athletes.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So I will always say I love NIL.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I love the fact that college players can actually get
their fair share and they deserve it. But there needs
to be resources, it needs to be education, right, and
so honestly it might even be a benefit. Like you know,
you hear the stories about NFL players mismanaging their money,
trusting their wrong people, and now they can kind of
with NIL move that learning curve back for yeah, like yeah,
move it up, move it back to college. So like

(44:49):
maybe make those mistakes and maybe learn when you're eighteen,
because it's kind of hard to tell a twenty five
year old who's making millions of dollars what to do.
Now they get somebody only makes you more and what
you are. Yeah, that's a magnifier. That's actually a great point. Yeah,
I agree with that. Yeah, it's a magnifier. I really
like magnifies you're you know, it's like.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
You're jackass, you're bigger jackass. If you're a humble part,
you become more humble. Yeah, it's it's really it's been
very interesting because I think we do have to continue
to as this thing builds out. It's so brand new,
brand new brand, and everybody thinks it's just one thing. Look,
I mean, the Ires try to get me for taxes
from California when I never even played in California because

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I've played a preseason game out there, but they wanted
like regular season money. Okay, and this is like eight
years worse of like they said, I got a call.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
From Ohio this morning, eight thirty am u OS money.
I was like wh's.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
No, I'm not kidding. Eight thirty am this morning, I
get a.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
Call like what so, uh, yeah, they just real And
so those are the cameras all the same things and
issues that these young people are going to have to
under standing, going to have to learn, and as we
continue to give them dollars and cents, I want to
make sure we continue to.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Educate totally because a lot of times when these players
are getting this money, they're not coming from homes or
parents that are making this type of money. Sure, so
the parents can't really teach them to make sure they
look after they don't know, Yeah, because they don't know.
And so a lot of this is life experience for sure,
and the conversation need to continue to be had.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
So I one to number one, I want to applaud
you for that. That was a great clip. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Going back on that, and you got to make take
the swift too. Did you teach Tom? Did you give
Tom Brady any advice any financial advice when you bring
down compounds?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Tom was way smarter than me, So any advice that
I give him, he's probably you know, pushing to.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
The dude is a sharvis attack. Dude is a star.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
I'm sure he's got this whole team of people that
lets him know what's up with money.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
You know what financial education does. It like presents an
opportunity to build generational wealth invests in all these different companies,
different CEOs, different politicians that represent you, represent people like you.
It's just like a huge missed opportunity if we don't
provide education and resources. You know, I was on the
Raiders and I was like, you know, we have mental
health resources now. The NFL really pushing there's a lot

(47:08):
of like, uh, I can't remember the exact terminology if
it's like a certified mental health clinician something along those lines.
I think the NFL has to put like exactly about that, right. Yeah,
so it's really amazing stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
So Solomon Thomas plays for the Jets, played with me
in Vegas, like he is one of the biggest, you know,
advocates for mental health and I have so much respect
for him. And there's been so much movement on that front.
And you know, I would go to the Raiders and
I go to other teams and I'm like, how do
we get certified financial planners in the building.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
But there's a little bit of liability.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Issue where you know, they don't want to touch the
player's money. So it's it's very tricky and they're definitely
still trying to figure it out. But I just love
that we're having the conversation because the positive ripple effects
that it will have of you know, NFL players are
role models for their athletic ability. You know, they're starting

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to be athletic role models being podcast hosts, getting into
other industries, like if they become so financially savvy, like
that'll have ripple effects to younger generations, college kids, high
school kids, And I'm just really excited for it.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Funny because the biggest thing, the biggest fear in Locke
was like, you know, we're big, strong men, tough, like
we got it all figured out, so we don't like
talk about our weaknesses when it's actually like nah, when
you ask the question, actually you're probably not the only
one that wants to know for sure, and so vulnerability
equals strength And that's just the realist thing about it. Now,
talking about generational who's the best athlete in your family?

(48:34):
You your father, or your brother, not even you me,
not even close.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
My brother played for the giants, great athlete. My little
brother played in Delaware. I tried out for the league.
It wasn't quite fast enough. Both my sisters played volleyball.
That's all your sisters, five eleven and five eight. Yeah,
maybe five ten and five seven. I don't know if
they're shrinking or something like that. They're both moms, so
maybe they're shrinking. I don't know, but they're they're very tall.
They both play volleyball. My mom played volleyball and my

(49:01):
dad played football. But definitely me very athletic. Yeah, yeah,
I ain't mad at that. Yeah, now you're the baby
out of all I have four siblings. I'm four out
of five. Yeah, so I'm the second youngest. Okay, yep,
kind of throw the mind. I think that the ones
on the bottom are the best athletes. Are you guys
the best athletes in your family?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Or no, no doubt? Let's go, yeah you can. We
gotta be real too, Yeah yeah, no doubt. Yeah. The
day I beat my brother in basketball, I knew it
was own.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Okay, Well, if basketball, this is so funny. If basketball
is an indicator of athleticism, your boy is the worst.
Like I don't have to be basketball Okay, I hope
it's not football, of his volleyball, if his ping pong,
anything but basketball. So my little brother got married last
year and for his basket party, we played a lot
of pick up basketball, and I am shooting every time
I touched that ball, and I'm like going up. I

(49:51):
got the most illusional optimism I've ever heard of. And
I didn't hit one shot. It was like, and we're
playing for two hours and I'm all right, odds like
some of these are about to go in. I didn't
even make I made me one for twenty three or
something like going with layups, and I was duncan and
I was like, I can't. I couldn't make a single

(50:12):
shot the whole dame whole freaking game. And I bought
new shoes from Dick Sporting, and good, it's got blisters
on my shoes. I forgot that you gotta wear like
high socks with basketball shoes. I spend a long time
as I played basketball.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Oh my god, I can see just like Philip sever
Hoffman in along came pink.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, dude with white shock shock.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Like that that is like one of us. Like I
love that I was your callback scene. Yeah, that is
a really good one. The fastball is any judge of
athleticism on bottom of the total pull.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
For I think the best thing about playing pick up
basketball is that because they can't sub me out, I'm
going to get my shots up. Like, don't don't like
because I'm not coming out of the game. I'm definitely
getting my shots.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Man.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
It's humbling, all right. So, uh, I guess we got
a couple of questions. So what is your best Tom
Brady story? Because we always like to talk about the goat.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Probably the best one was when he put up five
hundred yards on us. Yeah, it just crushed us.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
One of his response when you asked him about that,
when you guys became teammates.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I think he was just like, yeah, I remember that.
Remember I think I remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I mean like he brust it out and just made
well it was a meaningful game, like he was coming
back from it. It was.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
The NFL.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
He's like, honestly, that talks anyway, dude about to kill him,
you know what I mean? So he uh, that was
probably the best, worst, best one for sure.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
We've all gotten somewhere in our eyes with people of influence, mentors, coaches, parents, whatever,
who's on your personal Mount Rushmore of people that have
helped you get to where you are today.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
That's a great question. That's the Mount Moore. Yeah. I think,
uh my parents are up there. Yeah is that to.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
One, one and two? Well yeah, sountmore Forth Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Okay, so yeah one two one Mom and dad? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
For why that was why?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I think you know, my dad called me this morning.
A woman went up to him and said, oh, are
you mister Nasa, the you know Nassive family for Saint
Max And he said yeah, he said. She said, well,
you know, my son went to school with Carl and
in seventh grade, he was a new student. I don't
even remember this kid's name, you know what I mean.
And so she said, you know, Carl was the nicest

(52:37):
kid to him, made him feel welcome. And I said,
you know what, Dad, you've raised some good kids. Like
I didn't even know who this kid is, you know
what I mean, this is seventh grade Carl. So like
that's a good thing, Like that's a that's a sign
of success when like twenty years later a woman comes
up to you and said, hey, when my when our
kids are in seventh grade, your kid really like made
him feel welcome, you know, included him. So they've really

(53:00):
and still just like being a good person is the top,
you know, being really respectful god like going growing up
in a German household like always I have like really
a lot of respect. Please and thank you, Yes sir, yes, ma'am.
So yeah, shoutouts my mom and dad. They're the best.
Three and four. It's a great question. I would say

(53:21):
number three maybe Gerald McCoy. So when I got to
the when I got to the Bucks, I just gotten
fired from the Browns.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
I got fired on Hard Knocks. That she used the
word fired instead of oh cut. Yeah, so I love that.
She said I'm a corporate guy. Yeah so yeah, yeah,
I was. I was late. I was you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I was fired on National International, and you know we
were wondering.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Still guys ever come up to people like bring that
up to you what they got fired? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, like if they
want to get like chippy with me, maybe they like,
remember you got played on Smart Knocks. No, I don't
think that's ever happened. But you know, we were one
and thirty one in Cleveland and then I get fired
on Hard Knocks and I'm like this, like this shit sucks,
and so I get fired on Tuesday, hired on a Wednesday.
I go down in Tampa and like me and Gerald

(54:19):
instantly hit it off, like he like really, I mean
going to Tampa really revived my career and helped me
bounce back. And so you know that team, that organization
I just hold in such high regards. So Gerald really
helped was like one of the bigger influences on me
of like and JPP, you know and Bo like we
had a great and will shout out to all those
guys in the D line when I first got to Tampa.

(54:42):
But you know that really turned my career around was
my first year in Tampa. So g Mack is definitely
up there. And then number four, trying to think college
or high school. High school coaches didn't like me. College
took a while. You know, I'm gonna go Clyde Simmons.
I'm gonna go Clyde Simmons. Clyde was my coach in Cleveland. Uh,

(55:04):
you know, legendary defensive end for the Eagles, over one
hundred sacks. Like dude was a legend, and you know
he introduced me to the long arm and like he
just was such a great coach and like arm is
not everybody knows the long arm when you got you know,
long arms Like me, I'm a lanky guy. The best
thing at the tackle wants to do is really grab

(55:24):
on to you, and you can't really get off there
stronger than us. So like got his key at arm's
length and so really developing the strength and like the
pushing upward of my long arm. Clyde was awesome. Like
I'd never been taught that before. I was always side scissors,
you know, push poll. But the long arm really helped me.
And Clive was just a great coach too, like really
like didn't care who you were, like really coached everybody.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
He's his IND's man. His indis were murdered individual.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Oh yeah, he had liked that like old NFL VET
like bitterness.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, you guys get it easy.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
You know money, you know what I mean back in mind,
Dad put up one hundred sacks and I'm making twenty
eight thousand dollars a year. So he killed us in Cleveland. Yeah,
so the outside of you know, bro, we had a
guy get signed on Cleveland camp. It was twenty minutes
and he was done, like he he hit that slede
like he had up and back sled a million times

(56:22):
with Clyde.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
He was gone and day and like I was like,
you're killing people, man, So yeah, probably Clyde.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, he's also just like I probably you know again,
I probably should have prepared for these questions.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I didn't prepare anything, but.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Those are Yeah, those are your answers on the best appreciation.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah, so we're dbs. How many you got sacks? I
have a lot of sex. The picture you guys got
I did not have that many. I got twelve.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
I'm thirty one. I'm two away. I should have I
should have forty. I've dropped it. I've dropped a couple.
What about you?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I got one one? Okay, explain that one pick. I
was in Vegas. It was sick. Drew locked four picks.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
It was great, Like I hated the Broncos when you're
in Vegas and so, uh, you know, I got to
pick through a couple of people now and I was
I made it to the nine yard line.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Dude, I really wanted to where'd you word? You catch?
It was twenty five yard return? Ok? Yeah, what were forms? Oh?
You know what, it's probably a good thing I didn't score.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
It's probably good.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I've never even been asked that question.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
If I had scored, Just like I don't know, like
if I would have done a dance or something or
just you got to do something right.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah. No, like everyone just like jumped on me. It
was sick. It was a cool play. Yeah, they're like
Carl got a pick warm embrace with the teammates. Yeah,
something like that. Yeah. I gotta say, man, like, I'm
so glad to have met you today. You came energy,
love what you bring. This was hilarious, your your answers.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
I did not expect him the first three off first,
I was like, damn, I never heard that one before.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, my first welcome to the inf one was a
three hour as that. Yeah that's real man. We appreciate
you coming on the show. Thanks for having me. Yeah,
you are a blessing man. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
What's success to raise you in the business. Thank you
what you're doing awesome.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Thanks keep it going.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Man.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
You're a beautiful person. You got a great spirit, you
got great energy, great juice. I understand your teammates love
you so much. Thanks. Uh you are truly a great spirit, bro.
Real talk. You got to freaking juice us to juice.
All you need to do now is just become a
faster driver. Yeah, no, I'm good man. This is awesome.

(58:39):
This is probably my favorite Nembors, if not my favorite
Nembers is great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I live in New York. Now it's you guys next time.
I mean, you're here all the time, you work here,
so yeah, definitely definitely picture. I had a picture of
margaritas last night. Man, on a Wednesday. You gotta come to town. Man,
we were just at the barble. I was at the
barb by myself. So yeah, next time, I got it,
got got you.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
This will not be our last time. That's visit with
Carl Nassup. So thank you, of course, Thank you man.
For all of our viewers and listeners out there, thank
you as well. I mean, we love this guy. He's
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(59:18):
you once again to iHeart Radio Studios here and beautiful.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
New York City, New York Cities.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Thank you for having us as always. Peanut, get us
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Speaker 2 (59:29):
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Speaker 2 (59:38):
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