Michigan Man Danton Cole: JD gets back on the ice, Hlinka Gretzky Cup and Jays talk with AV.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
NHL Unscripted is a production of the NHL and iHeart podcasts.
All Right, episode forty four, coming at you here on
NHL Unscripted.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey V and JD. Right to rock.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Is it NHL season yet? JD? This is truly the
dog days of August where you're just lurching towards getting
some hockey talk going. We do have a little bit
of hockey talk coming up, by the way, was not
expecting a little Hextall conversation with Jack Hextall conversation. On
a serious note, we'll be honoring the Gaudreaux brothers and
our special guest day is Danton Cole movie talk. We'll
get into Eddington as well. But this is kind of
that point. JD is a hockey finder going. Okay, we're

(00:48):
almost a couple more weeks training camps, open season previews,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Right, Yeah, I feel like at this point, you know,
the fans that are still listening here to us in August,
they're just waiting for the season to start, just the
way we're all waiting for the seasons to start. It
is one of those things, all the all the storylines,
we're fishing for storylines and things like that, and we're
giving our predictions, but you know, it just goes to

(01:13):
show you that these kind of months are are are
when things start to ramp up. And I think right
around the beginning of September is when really things start
to go and we start feeling the training camp coming in.
But but yeah, let's just let's just let's just get
us there already, because you're on vacation right.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I am. We're all here on the West Coast here
in the Bay Area with my wife's family. So we
uh just hanging out a little barbecue, a little splosh.
San fran Yeah, I flew to San Francisco. She lives
in My assister Lunch lives in South San Jose. So
hopefully we'll see some Demurse fifty five jerseys today. The
Santa Cruz Boardwalk. That's the goal.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Youah, oh, so you're up in Santa Cruz. Amazing. That's incredible.
That's like, that's my old stopping grounds for years. Go
to go to Willow Glenn, go to the table, Willow
Glennay a little Willow Glen. Go to the table. Okay,
and then oh god, I'll think of a sandwich space.
I gotta give to you, but it's it's a it's
a sneaky good city for food. Man Jose is what

(02:07):
they call it.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I'm glad you mentioned that because years ago I had
some buddies were traveling Canadian media when the Sharks were
in the Cup Final. They're like, I go one, they go,
I go, that's great, I go. I really liked the
Bay Area. It's beautiful, weather, good five people greet that,
but not a lot of a lot of talents. I go,
it's Silicon Valley. It's a lot of nerds.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, you know, the the guys that were probably on
location too, from the from the who was going? Who
were there? There was just some MENHL guys.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Going there ts N guys that were producing.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Nerds too.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Anyways, Fine, it's not like they're a wheeling beef anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, t s N.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, yikes. But that's is that what they called the
man Jose. They go, they go if you look at
the fast So.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
They did initially back in the day, not back in
the day, but they I listened. When I was there,
I was was young and single and and we had
a great team, and I mean listen, we we had
no issues. It was a great city. I thought it.
You know, it's gotten expensive, it's got way too expensive
now and people have started to move, so you're not
seeing as many young people there. But it's I think

(03:14):
there's gonna be a little bit of a renaissance that
area of San Francisco. Everything with AI, you know, not
giving people market advice now, but you know if you
look where AI is going. But we're talking, we're really
fishing for stories here because we're talking about AI and
San Jose real estate market.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
By low Yeah, I mean that's definitely a it's definitely
a good conversation because you're right, it's expensive as some
of these house prices out there. Mcteese like, I get it,
but it's just gone to a different level over the
last ten to fifteen years, having's exploded one under.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
We've got the sorts out there though.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Just hopefully. Yeah, I got to ask one of our
cousins that we grab a racket, go get go, get
a set in. By the way, nhl' strip's going back
to posting weekly after Labor Day, so we're almost at
that point. We'll strict giving you weekly content again. But
as we're lurching our way through August, we're as JD said,
fishing for a little bit of content here. I do
want to say out a serious don't we been talking
about the Goodrow brothers. Now we're coming up with the

(04:06):
one year anniversary of the loss of Johnny and Matthew.
It's still heartbreaking to think about. Saw some of the
interview of the widows there on Good Morning America talking
with Will Reeve to commemorate what would have been Johnny's
thirty second birthday, Johnny's widow, Meredith and Matthews would of Maddeline.
They did reveal the formation of the John and Matthew
Gudreau Foundations, So that foundation was officially launched in March

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to help preserve the memory of the Goodrow brothers by
quote supporting projects and initiatives that align with the values
and passions that they champion during their lives. So it's
really a great tribute, and you know, maybe there's more
thought right now on hockey. Can even an award after
Johnny Hockey. I don't know if that's really the step
you want to go, but it's really nice to see
the strength of them and the fact that they've been
publicly out there. You know, it really starts to kind

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of make their memory as strong as possible in the
public eye.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the two widows kind of
finding closure and finding ways to kind of move forward
in a positive manner. I think is just is very
good and it's good to see them creating this foundation.
And you know, I don't quite know what you know,
award you could you can maybe put Johnny under or

(05:15):
you know, his brother the name itself, but I think
just kind of doing what we've been doing and honoring
him in as many ways as possible and keeping his
memory alive, because you know, we've kind of set him
multiple times in the podcast just gone but not forgotten,
and I think this is a beautiful way to kind
of continue that sentiment.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Absolutely. As far as actual hockey action took place last
week the Helenka Gretzky Cup stage in Czechia and Slovakia,
so the term of previously the Under eighteen Cup, then
the Helenka Cup before becoming the Helnka Gretzky Cup, whatever
you want to call it, featuring the world's best players
age seventeen and younger, and the first time this is
two thousand and three, the Americans do come out on top.
They won goal by beating Sweden five through the championship game.

(05:55):
Player of the Game honors going to Jack Hextall and
before you wait, related to Rodny Leah Brian No, Hextall
does not appear to be related to the famous hockey family.
We all know he's attending Michigan State in twenty twenty six,
but in terms of previous standouts at the tournament, Matthew, Mitchkoff,
Cole Profetti, Nathan McKinnon, Tyler Sagan, Alex Ovechkin, gdie, what
do you got for me on the Helenka Gretzky Cup.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, you know, good job by Jack Hextall. But I
love that little thid bit of Is he related No,
not at all. It's like me and Jack Demerz. It's
just waste of a last name. You think it is
no famous ties to it. Listen, it's it's kind of
always in a weird spot, the Helenkas. So, you know,

(06:39):
I feel like it doesn't get the coverage that it
deserves because it's a good tournament. I mean, it's very competitive.
I mean, if anybody watched that tournament, you know, watching
the US win and in the way in the fashion
they did and you know, especially beating Canada. I mean
they took that game like it was it was the
Olympics final. So it's really it's really something I think

(07:02):
anytime you I think any tournament we're guys represent their
country is something that should get more viewership. And I
think it is a very good format and it's always fun.
People get excited when they're watching you know, Sweden Finland
or you know Sweden Canada, you know check USA. It's
just something that kind of brings out the energy of

(07:22):
of of the fan base and in a way that
you know, the Stanley Cup finals do. So it's it's
one of those things. It just makes it a little bit
more high stakes when when it's for countries. So I
like it. I thought it was it was a great tournament.
I thought that game against Canada was US Canada was
was very very good and as advertised, because anytime you

(07:42):
get the two big dogs together, they don't.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Bark right right exactly anytime USA Canada's evolved as surely
right now, as you said, people just starve for hockey's
if you're a fan of hockey, you're gonna be watching
something that's there. As far as being on the ice.
That's right, our boy JD back on the ice. Saw
on the instagium. You're posting the annual pro Am sun
Life event in Quebec City. Players were in Canadians and
or deeks them. I love that you're out there with

(08:05):
Steven Stamcos, Jonathan marchisso, David Deharnay direct Brossard. How is
the event looking? You had a blast.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, I've been on the ice a couple of times now.
Uh you know. I did a shoot with the NHL
and body armor for with Jordan Cayrou a couple of
weeks before that pro Am needed to get on the ice,
touch the ice. I was with Cole Profetti and Jordan
Cairou and then they're gonna they're gonna air that in October.
It's it's we kind of went on the ice before
I get into the sunlight. Not to talk all about me,

(08:34):
which we're gonna do, but uh no.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Just pointing out the United as rusty as some might thip,
you'ple thin can hang up the skates. That's say you're
still on the ice.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I mean, geez, I did that. I did that, uh
that shoot with body armor, and then I was on
the ice for this tournament. I was like, fuck, I
make mate might take a comeback here. Jonathan Tames can
do it taking three years off. I'm right on that cuss.
So if anybody's looking big Daddy's coming back. Light up.
A few guys play a nice ten minutes a night.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Exactly one year deal depth defense. It's been great in
the room. No one's going to tee that.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, give me one hundred thousand dollars and then give
me every signing bonus under the sun and I'll get you.
I'll get you, I'll get you to the playoffs. But yeah,
it was. It was a good tournament. It's fun to
see you know, the pro am sun Life uh in
Quebec City. They do a great job. I used to
do it when I was, you know, a lot younger
and starting out in the league and you know, just life.

(09:29):
I missed it for you know, five six years, and
they reached out this year and there was It's funny
because there's there was two games. So you mentioned, you know,
you mentioned the likes of Stamkos and Jonathan Marcia show.
I wasn't in that game. I was in the LEAs,
which is the old guys, the retired guys. So I
was playing with like I was playing with like you know,

(09:50):
Patrice Bergron was there, Derek Pissard, David Derrihett Derenet, Alan
Colti of the Nordiaks. There's a bunch of Nordiaks. Sylvan
la Fay like not Sylvana Fay, I'm sorry, but no, no, no, no,
alant Coote, Eric Schwuinard like like just the guys that
played years ago, and that ain't will tell you who's

(10:12):
who's you know, one of the original rdiques and.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Uh legend think of the stasties. Now, that's amazing that era.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeahs hockey. Yeah, And he was taking the draw, so
he was taking the opening face off, like the you know,
the commemorative face off whatever, the ceremonial puck drop.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I like, by the way, he Jady's sixty eight years old,
still playing hockey.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah. So he was taking the draw against David Darnett
and he was on the Quebec side, so and we're
in Quebec, so he's gonna win the draw, he's so
he goes and wins the draw and then there's a
pause and he just leans into David Deren and he
goes in French. He goes, I can't bend down and
get that.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Puck sixty eight year old man, What are we expecting here?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Man? He was moving. I five fucking locked him up, though,
Oh I ran him on.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
So many out there.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Fun event. It was a really fun event, and it
was it was done well good cause, you know, children's
cancer and and and really good stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Just to thought. Will Folger, one of our great producers
at MLB Network, just went for the first time with
his family to Montreal and Quebec City. So I said,
what's the scouting report? He goes, We liked it, and
I was like, little understand. He said, no, that was good.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
He goes.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
He goes, Montrell was nice, he goes, it felt more
like an American city, like it was cool. It was
Quebec City definitely felt more like you felt different. I said, yeah.
He said. The one tricky thing was as soon as
they say they're from America, you can kind of get
that hairy eyeballs, you know, but we're not Trumpers, like,
oh okay, good godess It's like it's not not the
best time for American's traveling. But he said, uh maybe,
so he said, he goes. Food wise he goes, we weren't.
We were hesitant on the poutine. I go, why because

(11:47):
we're just not because this sounds ridiculous. We're just not
big French fried people. So I'm like, we're really that
excited for French fries. He goes. So eventually we're driving
at my one Sone's like, oh, we gotta try the
poutine and it was like a McDonald's. But we're not
gonna have that. Go tell you at least went to
Saint Hubert's like, tell me you did something.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
So you get it. There's like a million of them.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, so I don't know what place they went to.
He said they did have it was good, but he
was like, you know, it's not really much. Alem like, yeah,
but but you did like Old Quebec. He's like, here's
the thing about Ubec city. I said, my wife, being American,
I go, she likes Montreal, but Quebec City, especially Old Quebec,
you think, is unbelievable. Like everyone who goes to Old
Quebec is taken away. Anybody who can't go to Europe
just be goes. I'll just go to Old Quebec.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
I go.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's like a honeymoon. Spot in North America. He's like, no,
he goes. Listen that four and a half kilometer area
going to shot to a front and Actuly, that'll take
your breath away. You're seeing castles and ship from the
sixteenth century. It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, it's the Canadian little piece of history that it's
to your point, it feels so much like Europe. And yeah,
it's it's as expensive in terms of flying into that
fucking airport. It's so so gosh turned expensive to flying
in there. It's a small international airport. But uh yeah,
my parents are there and I was that's where that

(12:50):
sun Life game was and I spent a week there
with family, and it's it's beautiful. It's it's really a
nice place. You know, cold as all hell in the
winter time, but it's it's it's it's so nice. There's
so much history to it. And yeah, I always tell people.
People are like, what do you go to Montreal? Correct,
I'm like, you know, maybe go to Montreal for the weekend.
It's fun, you know, there's a lot of vibrant city.

(13:12):
But I'm like, go to Quebec, especially during the summer
when they have they have a concert series that goes
on for like a month and a half and it's
like it's it's it's good, And I can't believe he
was considering a poutine. Your friend at McDonald's is like,
just just drive off a cliff, like, come on.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Tals of Montreal got the debate of Montreal Quebec City,
Where do you land?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think I think the best thing is to try
and do both. They're like different, you know, they're a
different vibe of both. Obviously, like Quebec City definitely feels
more like a foreign country for no other reason that
fewer people speak English there. But I said, Quebec City's
more walkable too. Montreal is a little bit more spread
out Quebec City. You're pretty much all hanging out in
the same stretch, you know. I think you got to

(14:00):
do both if you can. I mean, if you're driving,
it's a bit of a schlep.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
But oh it's just three hours on the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
If you're looking for a lot to do, like especially
during the summer, Montreal's got a million things going on,
and if you wanted to do like fast food poutine,
just go to a LaBelle Province or something like that.
Skip the McDonald's yea.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Be right Montreal just for laugh, Jazz Festival, always a
lot of stuff happening. Definitely in the summer. But to
Jade's point, Quebec it's it's cold as hell. But they
do winter right because they have to embrace it. It's
six months of it. So like, all right, lebo m,
let's let's get after it.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Lebo m. The Peewee tournament in Quebec in the winter,
they do the whole ice Castle and everything. Yeah, ice
Castle on Quebec. I get to Quebec. We're all your
dreams come true.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
But you're right. I can imagine. I can imagine that.
I mean, I hear people stories of friends flying within
Canada and the prices are absurd. I can't imagine they
got you right now. That are Canada Air Canada strike
right now by the way.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Anyways, okay, oh, I can say, because my mom's out
there anywhere. What a dump of a company. It is crazy.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, it's I mean, they're touching customers. It's just unfair.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh, it's just that Air Canada rouge. Yeah, cheaper, Stacy.
Those seats are from nineteen fifty five. The plane is
from nineteen fifty five. I can't believe it gets up
and down. You're just like, oh my god, here we go.
Life in my hands for six thousand Canadian to fly
an hour.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Next time, just hop on the v rail one more
top before we'll get to our guest. The Red Wings
make a little It's not a lot of news that
get here, but they did as sign defense fan Travis
Haminick to a one year, one million dollar deal. So
Hamnick's a depth defenseman Ottawa the past three plus seasons.
Before that, he was playing with the Abbots for the HL. Again,
Detroit's a team and he've been waiting for a while
now since Seve Weisman's taking over from them to do anything.

(15:47):
I'm not gonna make this sound like they're signing Nick Litstrom,
but thoughts on Haminick adding to the mix.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, old veterano, you know, old veterano defenseman. He's, you know,
guy that's been around the league and understands. I think
he's gonna, you know, he'll play a he'll play a role,
and I think, you know, he'll be that bottom bottom pairing.
You know. Listen, this is a big prove of year
for Detroit, not only for the team, but for Steve Eiserman.

(16:14):
You know, I didn't haven't loved what they did in
the off season. You know, they brought in James en Riemsdyke,
they brought back you know, Patrick Kane, but other than that,
you know, they brought in a goaltender. So you know,
they brought in John Gibson and you're hoping that shores
up things. But I just don't feel like they did
much and they impacted anything, and especially in that Atlantic division,

(16:36):
like the Gold Standards Florida and if you're not thinking
you're getting close to Florida, well you got to get
through them to make the finals. And it's not like
you're going to just quietly stumble your ass into the finals,
like you gotta beat these guys because they're not going anywhere.
And there's a lot of teams that got a lot
better in the Atlantic, and Detroit was in one of them.
So I think we're all, I think everybody's kind of

(16:59):
hard on Steve Eiserman now and we're all like, hey,
what's the plan, what's the iSER plan. We're looking, we're waiting,
we're trying to see what's what's happening. Who you bringing in?
And I think they just ran out of guys, and
you know, Hamminick was available, a good veteran defenseman to
come in on a on a small deal hopefully can
help that that Decoor. And you know they got a
good four Sherriot along with Maurite Cider and then you

(17:23):
got Edmonson and this Johansson. But you know, this is
a big year for this Decorp, big year for this
team and and you know, hopefully John Gibson really does
help them and can get them into a good spot
where Eiserman can kind of take a swing at the deadline.
But this is not a team for me. That's that's
Stanley Cup contending, and I would say borderline. This is
a borderline playoff team.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, which I feel like it's been for the last
couple of years. It just feels like, you know, there's
a time Hockey Down was was that for a reason.
It was the enviable place to go. People know the
passion they have for the sport there, right, They couldn't
even get a meeting with Nikolai Eilers think about that.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, it's it's uh, it's something that's a little bit,
you know, it was kind of what it's It's weird
because when I was in the league, the Sharks and
the Red Wings, we were in the playoffs every year,
you know. For I think they had that amazing stretch
of like twenty one twenty two straight seasons, maybe more.
And it's like now you're just kind of like, Okay,

(18:20):
when is this turnaround going to happen? And when are
these these guys that they brought in, these young prospects,
when are they going to kind of develop and flourish?
And you know, I'm I'm a little worried. If they
don't make the playoffs this year, there's gonna be some
serious changes there. I think this has to be Eiserman's
last chance, so I expect to swing by him at

(18:41):
the deadline and if they're in a good spot, and
but who knows, Man, it's just it's just doesn't look good.
Hockey Town, great pizza, best pizza in America.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Little Caesars, No, you Caesars Kicks. But yeah, I feel
like you're a chain guy. I think, no, God, you
can I never go change.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I kidding, no, never. The only chain that support is
the Keg. But if I'm back home, only because I'm
not in Canada, so I'll go to the cake. But
that's it in America, Chin decent?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
How could Bee fit the cake?

Speaker 1 (19:11):
See little baseball stake.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I'm all in a little baseball stake.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
These how to be. We'll talk baseball. But later on
the Blue Jays, by the way, having it just a
fantastic season, first place right now in the Al East.
Also a little smelling salts get into that conversation in
the NFL. But it is time for our special guest
coming up after this quick break. Danton Cole was drafted
in the sixth round, one hundred and twenty third overall
by the Jets back in nineteen eighty five. Had an
interesting career playing for the Jets, the Lightning, the Devils,

(19:36):
the Islanders, the Blackhawks, at won the Stanley Cup in
New Jersey, and an impressive coaching career. Danton Cole coming
up right for this you're an NHL unscripted. Our next

(19:56):
guest was drafted in the sixth round, one hundred and
twenty third overall by the Winnipeg Jets in the nineteen
eighty five NHL's draft. He went on to score fifty
eight goals and one hundred and eighteen points at three
hundred and eighteen games. The Jets, Lightning, Devils, Islanders and
Blackhawks want a Stanley Cup in New Jersey and well
into an impressive coaching career in the IHL, HL and
us HL as well as college hockey. Quite an accomplished career.

(20:17):
It is dancing Cole Welcome to NHL and script. Good
to see a dancing Hey.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Nice seeing you guys, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Of course, you started out at Michigan State under legendary
coach Ron Mason, who retired as the winning his coach
in US college hope hockey history. What kind of a
coach was he?

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Uh? You know, Coach Mason was just great to play for.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
And I think you know, one of the things when
a lot of us look back on you are playing
time there, what he did a really good job was
one he kind of brought you along and gave you
kind of what you could handle.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
And as you know, a real good trait in the coach.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
And you know, you're think in your freshman year and
everybody came and everybody was on the power play before,
so you know, you thought you'd come in and do that,
but you had to kind of earn your time and
maybe kill penalties, and you know, you take faceoffs and
then you work your way.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Into those roles.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
And I know that patience has maybe lost a little
bit in today's game, but he was real good with
that and identifying again giving you some things that you
could see succeed at and build on that. And then
I think just from a mental aspect in terms of
preparing you to play pro hockey, we just the guys
that I went to camp with Brian mccrenolds in Winnipeg
the first time, we just felt that when we're in

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Winnipeg's camp that especially in the rookie camps back then,
we were just very prepared.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
You know.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
We knew how to get through a practice, We knew
how to take care of ourselves away from the rink,
We knew how to you know, amp it up for
a game and you know, how to finish off a
win or you know, to claw back from a loss.
So I think he just from a mental aspect, did
a great job. And then lastly, like just just his
knowledge of hockey. And we've looked, you know, I went
back at when Chris Alango and I coached together several

(21:51):
times in different places, and we were together in Michigan State.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
We looked at some old films from like our Jeesus
sophomore in junior year, and.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
You know, some of the things we did was i'd
say pretty much ahead of its time just in how
we organized going through the neutral zone. We for checked
how that kind of transitioned back and some of our
penalty killing, and it just it was kind of fun
to watch and see it and say, hey this, you
know coach was you know, it's like your parents, there
are always a lot smarter after you leave and you
figure it out. But but I love playing for him,

(22:19):
and he made me a lot better hockey player and
it made me a great uh or Greg made me
a lot better coach as well.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
What was kind of one of the unique things that
he did that that set him apart as a coach.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
You know, I think with with him and again it
was different. You know, we're back in the eighties, so
it was a different era. I think, especially coming from
juniors where you know, you knew your coach real well.
I think he really separated his duties. I mean he
ran practices, he ran the games, and then uh coach
Gwasdeki and Coach Christensen were the assistants that we had
when I was there, you know, they did a lot

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of the day to day things, and so he really,
I think again a lot of things he was ahead
of his time. And now it's the way things are
run is like that. If you look in the NFL,
I mean, the head coach in the NFL are like
see Eos And I think I think back then he
kind of ran it that way. And it wasn't hey
if you needed stuff, And again he had a boy,
had a great psychological point of view on things, and

(23:16):
when you needed it wasn't an he never deal with
you individually, but it was always kind of like when
you needed it, and he just he had a real
good feel when to jump in on that and then
also when to delegate. So again I think he was
just he was ahead of his time in a lot
of ways.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, it's been great because you've been in part of
hockey and so much hockey history and notable personalities. You
were on the Tampa Bay Lightning when the team entered
the league. What was that first you like with expansion franchises,
maybe a Phil Esposito story for us.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
Well, there's a lot of stories, but yeah, it was
it was fun. You know, I was in Winnipeg and
Mike Hartman was there with me and we got kind
of bundled together and the expansion draft, and you know,
we're kind.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Of excited about that.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
You know, you know, new start with a new team,
and you know, playing in Florida, you know, Winnipeg, that's
a little bit different weather. So it was a little
bit nice, a little change there for us. But you know,
it was exciting down there.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
The people. You know, Phil did a great job in
terms of getting everybody in the.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Community excited about it and the crowds coming out and
you know, and it was again you look back, it
was a lot different then than it is now with
an expanse or franchise and you didn't have you know,
the social media and all that you had to you know,
Phil had he had to hype it and do a
lot of work in that sense.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
So but it was fun, like you know, the whole
communities behind it.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
We had pretty good first year and I think, uh,
you know, at the time, it was you know, probably
one of the most successful first year teams. Think Florida
came in a little later and had a better first
year than we did.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
But but it was good. Got us in the community.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
We played in a you know, small rink there and
out at the fairgrounds. It was like ten thousand people
temporary and then then moved over after that first year,
but it just had a real good community feel. We
had a uh Phil put together a lightning club, and
there was a big ten outside the building, which made
sense because around the fairgrounds there, and and we had

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elephants walking around and everything.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
But the fans could kind of go there after the.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Game, and then the players were encouraged to go there,
so you know, he really tied the community in with
the team and and and build it from there. But
it was it was a lot of fun with a
really good locker room. I'd say, you know guys like
you know, Brian Bradley's you know, been involved with the
team ever since, and you know Rob Rammage and Basil
McCrae and you know, just guys like that that that
had been around and understood the game and understood how

(25:32):
to you know, do things, but just appreciative of what
we had. So it was, like I said, it was
a lot of fun and we enjoyed our three years
down there.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
You know, you mentioned the Jets and that's where you
kind of began your career and uh, you know, I
just want to know, you know, how that was starting
in Winnipeg. And you know, do you have any welcome
to the NHL moments that may or may not include
Big Walt Keith Kitchuk.

Speaker 6 (25:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well came in, uh yeah, a little
just you know, we practiced with us after the Olympics
when I was there and then was gone.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
They came in. But I really liked Winnipeg. It was
you know, they as an organization, they did a good job.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
You know, I played most of my first year in
the AHL and had you know, Dave Ferris was a
coach down there, got a lot of playing time and
then kind of made the team. Was there for for
most of the next two years. And I'd say, just
great playing in a hockey town.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
You know, we had you know, he had.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Two two newspapers and boy there's two or three pages
every day that were just about hockey. So it was
it was neat and he playing it came down now
puts you you know, in the spotlight a little bit,
but it just it felt good and uh to have
that that kind of talk. And I remember, I don't
know if it was our first home game, but it
was one of the first home games we had Winnipeg
my my first full year, and we were playing Toronto

(26:45):
and Wendell Clark was there, and I got I was
like a checking forward back then when you used to
do that, need shadow guys and do things like that.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
So I was on the ice against a decent amount.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
We ended up in front of the net and uh,
you know, jostling around a little bit, and you know,
he shoved me, probably first because I'm smart enough not
to hit and shove him for and then so I
show him back and then just drilled me right right
in the face with his glove and just smote me
right And so I kind of turned around rough. I'm like,
what the hell's going on here this guy? And he's like, hey,

(27:16):
he goes there, he goes, he goes less, less talking, more.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
And more fighting. Just skate it away. So all right,
I got.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
I guess it's uh there, there's a pecking order and
I'm near the bottom of it.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
So anyhow, keep keep my head up.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
That was hockey of that era. It's true, less talk
and more fighting. Yeah, you go from the outhouse of
the penthouse strikes short in ninety four to ninety five season,
you get traded from Tampa to Jersey and winning that
Stanley Cup. What was that whole experience.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
Like it was I tell you what in terms of
I was, and I'm glad I was. I was a
little bit older, you know, I was twenty eight maybe
twenty nine when I won it.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
Just so you can kind of sit back and enjoy it.
Sometimes when things happen to you when you're young.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
You just go through them and then you you hear
a lot of guys talk about that. We want you know,
we got to the conference or the Stanley Cup finals
my first year in the league, and I was nineteen
or twenty and then just thought that would happen every year.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
So for me, it was.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
Nice to be able to sit back and I would
you know, I kid when we have reunions and Sean
Chambers and I got traded over there, I said, that's
that was it.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
You know, I was the key part that put us
over the top there. But I was.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
I was a bit player and I filled in when
guys were hurt. And but from an experience wise and
later in life, between coaching and managing, there was there
was a few people there that just made it really,
I mean outside of the team, which was fantastic, but
playing for Jacques Lamira was in and Larry Robinson was
unbelievable and is you know, and I was lucky. So

(28:40):
I think I think Ron Mason was the best college coach,
and I know there'll be some arguments, but Jacques was
an unbelievable tactician and the way he did things and
ran a team, and Larry was Larry was amazing as well.
So to be around those guys and kind of soaking
the knowledge and kind of see how how a team run.
Those guys so much excited would Jacqua have twelve thirteen

(29:00):
Stanley Cup rings and Larry's either. And then on the
other side of it, you know, with loul Lamarillo being
being the general manager and how how he ran things
and just you know, you know, people answering the phones
and you're there on time, and and you just do
things professionally.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
You don't, you know, cut corners to do it.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
So I was able to kind of sit back and
kind of watch all of that happen and go through
it and go through a playoff series. And I tell you,
as a coach, I stole so much stuff from Jock
and Larry and how they did things that I mean,
we ran, you know, a lot of the same systems
for a lot of times, and how we approach things
and just you know, little sayings that Larry had about
you know, how to go in the corner, how defense play.

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I had I think, pretty good success coach and defenseman
and had a lot of have a lot of guys
in the NHL playing, but ninety percent of what they
did was stuff that Larry talked about. And again I
was glad I was a little bit older that, you know,
I could remember some of that and I wasn't just
you know, drinking water from a fire hose that I
was you know, could do it.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
But what what an experience?

Speaker 6 (29:59):
And you know, you win a Stanley Cupp or you're
on a team that wins it, then you know, it's
funny your life people that's they all, well, you know,
Stanley Cup winner, and they describe you're introduce you that
way and I always try and you know, segue away
from that. That's not not really what what you want
I am as a man or what I want to
be regarded as. But it's it's a good way to
get your foot in the door, and it's a like
I said, I wouldn't trade that experience for anything.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well, yeah, you know the Stanley Cup. It's when you
finish your career. The one question is did you win
or did you not win? So it's always a tough
question to answer because you get judged based on that.
But I you know, speaking to somebody that won so
much later Robinson, I had him as a coach as well.
I had Big Bird as a coach in in San
Jose and I loved him. I think his knowledge of

(30:44):
the game, like you said, it's his little the little
tips and tricks he has of like little things that
you would never expect, like picking the puck off the
wall when it's stuck. Things like that that that he
knew that I've never seen another coach teach. Uh is
just absolutely incredible. And then also his his looseness around
the rink and how he just has fun. I mean,

(31:07):
talk a little bit about him as as as a
guy coming in and you know you said you were
a little bit older twenty seven, twenty eight, but like
for young guys and also old guys, he's just like
kind of the perfect mix for a Jacques Lamaire.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Yeah, no, that's yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
That that's perfectly he and Jack just because you know,
Jacques didn't say a lot. He was he was pleasant
to be around on it, but he was kind of
quiet and kind of like real urse and direct to
the point. But then Larry, like you said, was relaxed
and you know, he'd play he'd played three on three
after practice with the guys that weren't playing and still
be probably the best best player there.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
He still crazy.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
Yeah, so it was uh, and I played against Larry,
so it was kind of you know, we had.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
A few a few run ins when we'd mail back
in the day when.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
He's playing in LA and stuff, and uh, but no,
he again, you're right, just just tactically, he was really
good and just to make the game you know, easy,
and you know, we we we'd talk about it later
on when we're teaching the defenseman. Just just your automatics,
you know, just you know, how going like you're saying,
how you're going back for a puck, how you're pulling
it off the wall, how you're setting yourself up. You know,
he'd you know talk about you know, not you don't

(32:12):
have to be the first guy back in the corner
and you know, get your face smashed. You know, there's
a smart way to play it in then dumb way.
And but you know, not being the odd man in
a pile. I mean, just stick on puck stuff.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
I mean, I can go on and on.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
But it's one thing to have the knowledge, and it's
another thing to be able to you know, be able
to pass that on and teach it in a way
that's presentable the guys. And like I said, I loved it.
I just I thought it was fascinating to hear. And
again it's a guy that you know, was you know whatever,
I don't know. You can throw him top five top
defenseman of all time.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
You know, and did it and want it.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
And then you know, also be able to be on
the ice with him and go through some of that stuff.
So he was and he was good. Like I said,
I didn't. You know, there was a lot of games
if we didn't have injuries. I wasn't I wasn't playing,
So you know, I spent probably more than my fair
share time with him after practice. And you know, I
think one drill that we used to do, and man,
I scored and went and the year after I ended

(33:04):
up in the eye, and I think I scored twenty
eight goals and thirty two games of UTAH or something.
But I'd say ninety percent of that was because Larry.
We'd stay on after and you had to hit ten
one timers, you know, on net before you could get
off the ice, and sometimes that took a took me
a little longer maybe some of the guys, but man,
my one timer I came back. I remember skating in
the summer and I was.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Like, I'm shooting.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
I'm taught an old dog some new tricks. Man, my
shot was way better, and they carried over after that.
But I used those drills. I used three or four
one time or drills that Larry had and how he taught,
Like I said, I carried that all the way through.
And when we had times with guys with USA Hockey
and the young kids that don't know how to shoot
a one time, you just just go back to the
basics with what Larry taught.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
And there's just a ton of things like that.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Well as smart as you're saying, Dan, just to kind
of borrow from legends wherever you can. I'm curious with
your time the New Ork Calender, speaking of a by
gone era, Mike Melbray was the coach but also the
general manager. How chaotic was that, Like, all of a sudden,
you've a bad shift, he could trade you the next day.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
It was.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
It was interesting, you know.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
I I signed there, and I knew I was kind of,
you know, getting getting towards maybe maybe the end of it.
And I thought, you know, get to a team where
I have an opportunity to be more and more of
a full time player and finish up that way. And
I ended up signing with the Islanders, and I kind
of I think coming out of camp I was there,
I was looking for a place and then Jason, you
can I don't know if you ever had this experience

(34:26):
where you're looking for a place and headn't sign a
contract and then they make a trade and all of
a sudden, Uh, I'm in Utah playing for Butcher Goring,
which actually kind of a blessing in disguise because I
love playing for Butch and again another famous player, but he.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Had a lot of interesting things and fun to play for.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
And man, it was I tell you, guys, back in
college because I was killing penalties and power play, and
I mean it was it was. It was just a
lot of fun and that was good. But yeah, the
brief time I was in the island and Mike was
it was interesting. And you're right, coach GM, you're not
sure when when you go into the office afterwards, if
you're you know, if you're getting traded or you're gonna.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
Go over a video or or what was going to
go on. And it was it was some interesting times.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
Uh yeah, he's he didn't go up into the stands
and hit anyone with a skater or shoe when I
was there.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
I think that was when he did that. But uh, yeah,
it was it was interesting.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
He uh, you know, there there were some struggles there,
and I don't think the team was Great's funny because
the team in Utah, I think won like back to
back championships and all that, so it's a little more fun.
But you know, hey, you try and take something away
from everywhere you're at, and you know what, I thought
he had some interesting ideas on some things. There's there's
a I remember one time in the penalty kill and

(35:42):
we were five I was killing it was five on
four and my stick broke and I was out there
and and the bench was at the far end, and
I'm not going to change and killing a penalty leave
it a five on three to go to the bench,
let someone else get and I get to mention. He
was just barking, you lose your stick, you got to
come off the ice and get a stick and then
go back. And I was like, I don't know if
I I still don't think i'd buy that theory, but hey,

(36:04):
diff different way of thinking, and now you see it.
Sometimes I guess if it was a short side of
the bench, maybe you switch sides with the player and
then get a six. So you know, maybe, uh, maybe
there's a theory there. Some I'm not sure I agreed
with it at the time, but he was a coach
in the GM, so I guess you do what they're
going to tell you.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Do you still yeah, Like I I think that's a
hot topic debate with a lot of guys in the
dressing room even today, Like when you break your stick
on the penalty killer in the d zone, when is
the good time to change? Like, because I agree with you,
I think on a five on four you can still
block a shot. You can still you know, you're necessarily

(36:42):
not not that you don't need your stick, but if
you just played the top, you just play the point guy,
and you stop shifting and you just take those one
timers and you're the you're the blocker. If you leave,
you open up a five on three really quickly. So
what's your thoughts on that, Like, when is the right
time to change?

Speaker 6 (37:00):
Yeah, I think it's you know, for me personally, like
I would have my guys come off, And I think
what you can do is at least from a theoretical
you know, if you're walking through you say you can
do it in practice, right, you lose your stick and
then at least try and get to the bench side
of the ice so that if they're hey, there's a
puck in the neutral zone, then maybe you know you
can zip and cheat a guy off the bench and

(37:20):
he can get back. But yeah, I don't think i'd
I'd personally get off the ice like you said, I.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Think you can.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
You can stay in lanes and sometimes you can do
a better job with that. You lose that stick and
you lose the reach a little bit. But yeah, i'd
leave guys out. I wouldn't tell him to come off
in that situate. Now, if it's if it's in the
zone where your bench is right there, like I said,
and there's a contested buck right at the blue line
and you're out there, Hey, if you can jump off
or grab a stick and have a guy get on,
that's that's a one or two second thing.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
But I think you're right.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
If you give guys, you give him ten seconds on
a five on three and you got a guy like
a Vetchkin out there, I mean they're gonna wheel it
around and you know what's going to happen. So yeah,
I probably lean towards more BB patient, standing your lanes
and try and change when it's possible.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, And I just I was curious. You know, we've
been going through your career obviously, and towards the end
you have a brief stay in Chicago with just a
murderer's row of personalities. Chris Chellios, Jeremy Ronick, Tonia, Monte
Ed Belfo Vadislav Tretziak is the goalie coach on that team.
I would love to hear any any memories of of

(38:24):
that group of guys for the brief time you were
in Chicago.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Yeah, it was, it was, It was interesting. The nice
thing about that was I played.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
I'd played with the US team a few times, and
so I played with Celli and uh Tony and and
uh and and Mike as well, So so I knew
some of those guys. I didn't know Eddie as well.
But it's kind of fun to come in and play
with a guy like that. I mean, it's a lot
of goalies don't have personality like he does, and he did,

(38:53):
and he was I was lucky to play with a
lot of great goaltenders and he's definitely one of them.
And then it was neat because you know, when I
was in Winnipeg, we had some of the early Russians
that had come over, so we had some those guys
are some of the first that came in, and New
Jersey was kind of doing that at the same time.
And then when I went to New Jersey, feed us
Off was still there and he wasn't playing a lot either,

(39:13):
So again, maybe one of the best players I've ever
been on the ice with, and just just some of
the things he could do in a huge human being,
like I don't know if people realize.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
I mean he's six three six four two fifty maybe
and just a rock. He was an unbelievable hands.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
I mean it was so he'd be out there playing
three on three and you'd have Slava and Larry and.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Then I'd jump in, I'm go hamm. With these two guys,
you'd never lose.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
But so I knew some of the Russian guys and
then and then having treat Check around was kind of neat.
So obviously you know you want to you want to
chat with him. He wasn't around a ton I do.
He liked the sona after practice, and so did I,
so I'd always try and time it or I could
get in there and chat with him a little bit.
But those guys are their stories and what they went
through in the eighties and getting out of that country

(39:59):
and getting over here. I mean, they're they're fascinating. Those
those movies that you watch, that's that's exactly what they
talk about. And like I said, and if you watch
the old treat Check videos and some of the crazy
stuff they had training.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
But yeah, it was fun being around them.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
It was.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
It was neat.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
And I love Chicago's back then. The Old Stadium was
always my favorite place to play on the road, and
I love the National Anthem, and I love the I
even like the lousy locker room they used to stick
in in the basement. You had to walk up through
the gold judge's box to get out on the ice,
and yeah, then you hit the national anthem.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
It was just fans were right on.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
It was.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
It was a really cool place to play.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
So, you know, I got the chance to play there
and uh, you know, and be in that city for
just just a little bit.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
But yeah, good, good memories there.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
They in fact, they treated me really well and had
no complaints and it was kind of neat to sneak
in and, like you said, be around some of those guys.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
You go from playing right into coaching with Grand Rapids,
and then you end up becoming the head coach of
the Motor City Mechanics of the United Hockey League and
you're coaching them during the four o five season when
the NHL is is locked out. There's a lost season,
so the Red Wings aren't playing. So you're coaching in
the United Hockey League in Detroit and you're the only

(41:11):
pro hockey available at that time in Detroit. What was
it like being the only show in hockey town?

Speaker 5 (41:18):
Yeah, it was, it was. It was interesting.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
So I was with Grand rapids, and I'm I'm in
the coaching business. So I got I got fired, and
I was sitting at sitting at home, and and like
I said before, I knew Chilly a little bit and
he was playing there. So, uh, Darien Hatcher, Chilly was there,
Sean Avery and Brian Smolenski were all playing for that team.
And so Chllie called me and he said, hey, he goes,

(41:43):
do you want to coach? And I said, yeah, I'm
I've been at home about a week. I was chomping
at the bit and so yeah, let's.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
See what what do you got? So he kind of
threw that my way.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
And then the owners of the team called me and
asked if I wanted to finish up the season, and
they had they had twenty games to go in the season.
So yeah, I jumped down there and finished up that
season with him.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
It was fun. They they played only only home.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
Games for US, so that was in tr a nice
little uh kind of like the NBA now and some
of those guys don't play all the time.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
But but it was. It was good. And I tell
you they were they were.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
They were great and now and I mean I always
I'm a big Chris Chelios fan I and and people
always say he was the best American player of all
the time. Well, I always kind of come back to him,
and not just from longevity, but wow, what he could,
what he could do, and as good as he was offensively,
he was that good defensively.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
He was tough, he was smart. I mean, I don't know.
I'm again I'm I'm a big fan, and but in
that level. I always I used to use this.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
A lot talking to younger guys, and I said, here's
a guy that's he's forty forty two years old playing
playing for me, And thank goodness I knew him because
that helped. But man, he'd come off the ice and
he'd ask about a situation, Hey when when they for checked,
like this, what do you want to do in there?
And I'm like, it's kind of impressive, right Like he
just just the receptiveness and and the professionalism and wanted

(43:01):
to be coached.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
And and to be open to it.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
And I don't know, I just I found it. It
was really interesting. And though those four guys were fund
we had a pretty good team. It was a little
it was funny. We went We went eighteen and two
to finish the season and always and people go, oh,
he had all the NHL guys that go, well, we
were eight and two at home and we were ten
and zer on the road when they didn't play for us,
So I don't know if they were they were helping
us or hurting us, but but it was fun. It

(43:25):
was the owners of the team were fantastic guys, and
you know, they tried to make a goal of it.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
It's it's it's tough.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
Down in Detroit, like you said, it's it's it's tough
enough when there's no other pro sports, but minor league
sports in Detroit just haven't really ever taken hold.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
And been able to work. But I love working for him.
Learned a ton. They're really good business guys.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
And you know, they lasted one more year and then
I moved on from there.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
But that was a lot of good memories.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
It was a fun team and the guys, it was
it was neat how everyone kind of accepted that these
guys were playing for US at times and not other times,
and guys would step up and then step back when
they had two and it was, yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
It was.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
It was a really good locker room, good bunch of guys, coach.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I mean another American born player that you've coached, especially
with the United States national team the development program, Jack Keel.
I mean, talk about a guy that's on his way
to being considered in in the top you know, US
born hockey players. So what was a young Jack Kele like?
And uh, you know what what have you seen in

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his growth and development?

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (44:28):
Jack, you know, Jack was a I want to say freak,
but that always sounds wrong.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
He was just he was a machine. It's and he
was young, so you know he had.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
That delayed draft you're there, but he uh, you know,
he could come in and I mean he was like
a you know, his vertical jump and is you know,
he could clean three hundred pounds of sixty you know
what I mean, just he did.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
This just really yeah, oh he was.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
He was.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
Jimmy Cummins, who's still still scull with Calgary, called me
and he'd seen a video and he goes, that's not real.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
He's not.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
I mean he's just like cleaning you know before the draft,
like you know, three hundred pounds like ten times like.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
It was not And and he yeah, he was.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
He was a force and his power you can see
it on the game and he just when he's on
the ice and skating, he can really make it look
easy like he's he's like the old Russians, you know,
they're full stride and in about two strides they are
at full speed.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
But yeah, he he was interesting and I like coaching him,
and Jack and I had had a good relationship and
we put a lot on him. But you know, one
thing he really had to work on offensively and defensive
he was just playing without the puck. And that's not
not a slam on him. It's just he was so
dominant that when he had the puck offensively, he just

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had it, and you know what I mean, he wasn't
kicking it and driving to the nat or playing off
the pucket on Defensively, his theory on defense was just
I just skate back and take the puck away from
the other team and just go back on offense, which
is which is is fine to a certain extent, but
when you get into a little bit more mature hockey
and all that, then you just end up.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Chasing those Yeah, and he you know what.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
He took to really well his second year, Like he
and Sunny Milano and Alex Tuck were line and I
always said it was the best junior line in hockey
in the world that year. I mean, they were just
fantastic together and they kind of got that where they
would kick pucks and Barry Smith would talk a lot
about trying to get a teams, trying to get good
players to play a two man game. If you get
really good players, he can play a three man game

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where you can you can set up odd man situations
all over the ice. And they were just fantastic at it, so,
you know, and he and he led in his own
way and and just just a savage in the weight room.
And like I said, he just he just kept growing.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Up getting there.

Speaker 6 (46:35):
And I in my mind what I saw when they
won the Stanley Cup was was that's how he was
for us when he was eighteen. I mean, he just
he just you know, brought confidence to the whole team
the way he played, and he'd dominate with the puck
and his he he could be really physical and physically
dominant without without throwing.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
A check in a game, if that makes sense. I mean,
he was just a load to.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
Play and we had the U seventeen year old Challenge
and they had McDavid and on Canada's team and we
ended up winning that game six, But it was it
was about halfway through the game and all of a sudden,
it was like we could have just played one on one.
It was just those those are the only two guys
on the ice. It was what it seemed like, and
it was just, I mean, what a high level of

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hockey and how fun that was. And I just in
my mind, I always looked at and I said, you
know what, that's when you know, when Jack finally gets
to that point, and it just hasn't surprised me how
he's played, and it's been, like I said, it was
great to see him win a Cup, and then last.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
Year you have another great year, and yeah, it's just
it's fun to see young guys like that.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
Now now he's a young man, but you know, play
that well and do what I thought he could do.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
You're a Michigan guy through and through. I grew up there,
played there, coached there, you still live there.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I'd love to get your.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Take on with so many players coming from all over
the United States now, California, Florida, Arizona, wherever it is,
where do you think Michigan is right now in terms
of their place in the in the USA Hockey map.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Yeah, you know, I think you know I personally and
I'm not working for anyone, so I can say whatever
I want. I think personally, I think we have Yeah,
we have some work here to do in the state
of Michigan. And I think, you know, there was a
time when it was Minnesota, Michigan and Massachusetts where you know,
most of the guys are coming from.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
I think that it's wonderful that it's expanded.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
I mean, you look at all the guys coming from
California and Texas and Florida and Arizona, and you know,
it's amazing. And the NHL has driven a lot of that.
All those all those teams have made the games more popular.
But I think what we've done in Michigan is is
I think we've lost a little bit of focus on
on what it made us, made us good in the competition.
I think we've turned and this this is probably a

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nationwide thing too, where you know, if too many triple
A teams, not enough double A teams, too many kids,
you know, running to get to the next spot instead
of being good where you're at I mean, I see
guys leaving, you know, Detroit has and I go way
back when when Ali Fredi and Pat la Fontaine and
Alfie Turcott, we're all on the same midget Triple A

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teams as juniors in high school and I think we
had the best midget league in the in the world
at the time, going to where guys are fourteen years
old and can't you know, they're they're too good for
a team Detroit, so they move their family to Chicago
when they go there and play like you should not
have to leave the state of Michigan. Now there's a
time when you have to. I mean, you know, you
get to juniors and you go to the USHL and

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that's a fantastic league, but you know, when you get drafted,
they have to move. But I think people are just
they're just chasing the next thing, and instead of being
really good where they're at first and then moving, they
think the problem is where they're at and they need
to get somewhere else. And I think I think Michigan,
the state of Michigan or hockey is really good and
we're getting good players, but I think we're leaving a

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lot on the table because we're a microcosmo.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
What's going on all over the place.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Figure it out, Michigan. Dan, thank you so much for
your time. I appreciate it. That's Danton Cole and I
could talk to you all day about just so many
amazing stories Michigan, your time in Tampa, Chicago, everywhere. So
thank you so much for your time, and hopefully we'll
talk soon.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
All right, my pleasure. Thanks a lot. It's a lot
of fun, all right.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Thanks once again to Dan Cole.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
He was terrific.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
As far as they're Cinophon sixty. This week, I really
wanted to go watch Highest to Lowest working Friday night,
went right to the theater there in Seacaucus, right where
MLB Networking Angel that We're Kids sold out JD in
a Friday night, A lot of demand for the latest
Spike Lee joint, fifth time him and Denzel Washing reunited.
So yeah, I didn't get a chance. I watched the
Corosala movie again, which is an all time classic that's
called High and Low, and Spike is remaking it now.

(50:41):
This movie called Highest to Lowest and High and Low
is a great, great Corosala film. It's one of his
best and Spike's a big corsela guy he's remade Asian
movies before. It didn't go well. He did Old Boy
maybe a decade ago with Brolin. It was terrible. The
original Old Boys an outstanding movies. So I was like
a little skittish when you're trying to take on one
of the great masters. But great reviews so far. Tal
is gonna give us a little review because I still
want to watch. I don't want to anything spoiled yet,

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but good reviews. To Artel, what did you think of
Hyas Solois which was not sold out in Los Angeles?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Definitely not sold out in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
I'm a I'm a big Spike Lee fan. I was
thrilled to see another Spike Denzel collab. You know, it's
like it's like when a new Scarcese DeNiro or Scarcese
DiCaprio movie comes out. It's really exciting and first time
since Inside Man seeing these two together. You know, Spike
definitely made some choices here that my friend who went
with me didn't quite get, and I think there were

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some without giving anything away, there were a couple of
potential little holes in the plot. But it's a great
Denzel performance. And you know what's I really loved about
it is that some of my favorite Spike joints, if
you want to call him that, are the ones where
they're kind of like a love letter to New York,
where he shoots New York a ton and you get
the skyline and the neighborhoods and all that. And this

(51:54):
is like an all time love letter to New York.
You've got you've got Denzel playing this mogul living in
his penthouse in Dumbo, and you get you know, the
Brooklyn Bridge, and he shot all over New York and
a lot of shots at Boston sports fans, which I
definitely enjoyed. There's literally Nick Turturo, She's staring at the

(52:14):
camera yelling fuck Boston.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
At one point.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
So I enjoyed it a lot.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I think if you're not as into Spike Lee, you
might not get it as much. But as someone who
enjoys his films and love seeing Denzel, it's a great
Denzel performance. I think the character he's playing is supposed
to be younger than Denzel is. Bear in mind, Denzel
is seventy. I think the character was supposed to be like,
maybe more around fifty but still fun performance and really

(52:42):
enjoyed it. I want to hear what you think about
when you get a chance to see it.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Adn't well, yeah, what about me? Jesus Chop you too,
of course? What's your what's your? What do you think
Denzel's worst performance is in a film, because I feel
like he's always great.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Oh Ann, I'd love to hear your thought on this.
He's virtual too many times virtual.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
He's a pretty bad movie him and Russell Crowe, which
on the Dan Levittard Show they bought it up and
that's laughed. He's like, man, I made Russell Crow's career.
What are you guys talking about? Virtue Watch. He's pretty
bad some of these action movies, I mean Falling, I
don't think is great, like some of those like you
know those they're kind of become a retrits and all
those action movies are not great. But when he's great,
he's unbelievable. I mean he's an all time genie. I
mean Malcolm Max Fences, he got game like love.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Him like he's an varetyat or two.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
And I didn't think that was great either.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, not great.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
He was doing a little scenery, you know, I was
like overall than he wasn't great only he was great
in it either. Oh the movie was, but with him
in spiked.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Together doing that, yeah, yeah ruined.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
By the way that. One of the things that just
to quickly mention is twas mentioned New York Matthew Lebatique shot.
He's a cinematographer. He did Record for a Dream and
Darren Arnofski, So I rewatched Record for Gream last week,
which an unbelievable movie. I love that movie, but I
heard the way he shoots New York's great swooping camera
and stuff, and you're mentioning, you know, in Krosawa's movie
Hind and Low, it's a kidnapping movie, the one major
scene is on the train. So I love the fact

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Spike did this. They're taking the fore train a Yankee
Stateium and that's where you're referencing the Boston sucks. But
I did hear that, So I do appreciate what Spike
and take his his flourishes and certainly make it his
owne always Eddington's the moay that I want to talk
to you guys about, which is from Ari Astor, who's
a terrific director. Obviously he did Hereditary, did Midsimar. He
came out as like this great horror movie guy and
then goes, hey, you know what, I kind of want

(54:25):
to serve a little bit. Everyone wants me to eat,
and I'm gonna go yang. He does Boways Afraid, which
is a really funny, nearly three hour movie about Jewish neuroses,
wasn't for everyone's taste. And now he makes Eddington, which
is a COVID movie. It's literally set during twenty twenty
and it's in a small town and it's out there
man again, he's getting away from what he was known for,
which is these horror movies instead of wreaking these really dark,

(54:46):
bleak comedies. It came out at Sundance, had a bit
of a mixed reception. It's really two movies. The first
half is a very dark comedy in which Joaquin Phoenix
plays the sheriff who's just flaunting COVID rules, doesn't want
to wear a mask, thinks the whole thing's ridiculous, and
then Pedro Pascal, who's in everything right now, feels like
it's mandated. You have to watch Patro Piscal's much the
overexposure of Pedro Pascal. He's there being the guy who's,

(55:09):
you know, more on the side of hey, let's be clear,
we have to wear a mask. He's the rules. He's
running for office. What King thinks ends up being a
sheriff is running for office basically just on anti COVID rules.
And some of the best jokes are really made at
the liberals, like there's this whole section where they're supporting
Black Lives Matter. It's really funny, really pointed stuff and
certainly very satirical. The second half thote takes a dramatic
departure in which it gets very dark. I mean when

(55:31):
I say black comedy, dark comedy, it is about as
bleak as it gets. But I did really enjoy because
Aria Astor is a unique filmmaker. It's definitely a good
antidote to Superman and all the super movies you see
at the summer. So particularly, I was thinking of tell
I think you'd enjoy Edding today. I feel like you're
an already. Astra Fante definitely is a unique director.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
I've been hearing so much about this guy and have
not seen one of his films so and I've heard
a lot about Eddington, but he seems he's like definitely
having a moment right now. It seems like he's just
one of these guys who like very talented at a
pretty young age, is pretty accomplished a ready and yeah,
and Eddington seems pretty seems pretty contemporary as far as

(56:10):
the themes and the stories, and I love what keen,
So we'll definitely have to check that out.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, he's definitely a great actor. All right, that's your
cinephon says, go ahead, you do what you got. What
any movies you've seen lately? What you got?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
No, I just was gonna say, Eddington, I got to
check that out. I just saw the trailer for it,
and uh, I have to check it out. Whalle Quene Phoenix.

Speaker 7 (56:31):
Actually like right, oddball different locked the line right, Yeah,
he's always I mean his personality in real life, I
mean the whole Pedro Pascal OFVI it is, it's absolutely
ridiculous right now, like what you.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Were all over at, the whole sexual harassmus issue with him,
like touching.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Got it, he's still touching and anxiety in public Vanessa Kirby.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
But apparently also says the male co stars as well,
not that we're making it way.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I've never seen that who's seen that? Adnan, Are you
into getting into a little Jay's talk now that we
finished in a file and sixty?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah, I was about to say, Man, what a store
of this team has been there. They're poised to a playoffs?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Can I lead you?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Can?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I can I lead you into it?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I love it?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah? This is this We're We're still weeks away from
Opening Night in the NHL, but it's the most exciting
time of the season in Major League Baseball and the
favorite baseball team of roughly half of the NHL's players,
The Traddle Blue Jays are poised to win a playoff
series for the first time in twenty sixteen. Avy, we
need your take here? Is this the fine Jesus? Is

(57:30):
this finally the year for the Jays? What sticks out
for you this season? Where does a vlad Junior rank
among the all time Jays? Give me your thoughts, add
Nan Verkers, the Jays man cometh. Let's go well, right.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Around Victoria Day May two to four, Memorial Day in America,
the Jays were like a five hundred team. They felt
like another mediocre team, probably gonna be around five hundred,
no big deal. And then also they take off ironically
their one big reagent signing was Anthony Santander. He was
hurt Dalton varshow out. They call up Addison Barge, who's
been a great story banging down the door. He's been
slucking and has been really one of the stories of

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this Jay's team. They've had a lot of unherlded players
and like when you look at their lineup, their five
through nine has been great. So Varsha has come back,
by the way and still slugging the ball great. But
Adamson Barger, Ernie Clement, Heineman Straw rotation wise, you know,
Eric Lower came out of nowhere, has been a great
starter for them. Their bullpen, little Rodrigue has been great.
I'd make the hockey analogy. You'd be like, if your

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fourth line becomes the best fourth line of hockey, Oh
my god. If these guys can score a scular a
top line can score. And some of the concern earlier
on JD was that Vlad is good, not great. Bo's okay,
But now the stars sicked up big time as well.
And to your question about Vlad again, the first half
he was fine, just wasn't hitting many home runs. Even
now he's got twenty home runs. People like, hey man
for five hundred million dollars, I'm expecting thirty thirty five

(58:45):
home runs. But if you look at his numbers now,
it reminds me of in basketball. If you see a
guy who shoots forty percent from three, fifty percent from
the field, ninety percent from the free throw line, that's
like Vlad. He's hitting three hundred, he's a four hundred
on base and he's a five hundred luck Like, dude,
that's a nine hundred oh ps Like, that's outstanding numbers.
So he was facing a little bit criticism earlier in
the season, slow start, specifically with power. Lad always gets

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on bas He'll draw walks, he hits the ball hard,
like his exit field is great. But now the powers back,
it's great. Boba Sheett now having a healthy full season
last year was a real disappointment. Was it an aberration?
Was he on the decline? No, dude, he's gonna leave
the league. And it hits like he's great. So you
have a Blue Jays team which has superstars in Vladimba,
George Springer's having his best year in four years. His
legging percentages back to what it was in twenty twenty one,

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and then you've got good stories that I mentioned barjar Clement.
The concern is, this is your question was as far
as them being contenders, they're starting pitching is bottom ten
in baseball and they don't happen true, right, they don't
have a true age. Barrios is in the area of four.
Gosman's three eight nine. Shane Bieber they just got from Cleveland.
He's been out for Tommy John for a year and
a half. He's gonna make his first start. Looks like
later this week with the Blue Jays against the Marlins.

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So he won the side on five years ago. He's
been a great pitcher, but it's been five years, so
you're really relying on past history. He's looked great. So
from the miners, can that translates to the majors? We
shall see. So I when I look at the other
contenders in the AL, I do think the blue Jays
pitching is a little susceptible. Hoffin a good closure but
prone to giving up some bad performances. But are they legit?
Like yeah, Like I think they're gonna win this division.
And the overarching question is this, can they finally win

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a playoffs game? They don't want a playoff game in
the run of bow and a flat right. I haven't
won a serious since twenty sixteen, so it'd be really
important NEXTU you finally see them win, because I do
think Bo's gonna get like two hundred million dollars. He
could be out the door. You know what that's like
when two guys get drafted or kind of brought up
in the organization at the same time. One guy got
five hundred million dollars, the other guy wants to get
paid to The Jays can't low ball Bo. If they
didn't campaig him, he could be done. Chris Bassett's depending

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free agents. So listen, man, it's a great time to
be a baseball fan. Jays fans should be excited. I
do think they win that division. They're five up on
the Red Sox or six up on the Yankees. And
Tal has a George Springer tidbit for us. By the way,
he's a Connecticut guy, the pride of hard hitting New Britain.
What do you got?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
That's right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
A Yukon alum and the Little Ti. It is a
hockey show, so had to present a little hockey tidbit.
George Springer attended avon Old Farms with Stanley Cup champion
Nick Benino. There you go, there's my tidbit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Ain't nobody nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
That was an all time great call those.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
A great little those a great little Blue Jays. Drop
down for everybody back home. I appreciate you and you're
very good. Go ahead at your gohead. I just find
with baseball it's so interesting you see more, you know,
like you see more of these teams lately in the past,
you know ten years that are five hundred kind of

(01:01:32):
milling around and then they just explode and catch lighting
in a bottle. You don't see that often in like hockey,
you see it. You know, the Saint Louis Blues are
probably recent memory that the team in nineteen that you know,
worst team in the league and then exploded after January.
But it's so hard to make up ground in the
in the NHL versus baseball. You get these teams on
you know these you know, you're playing three four games
back to back and you could really catch fire if

(01:01:55):
things kind of line up the right way. So that's
it's good to see the Blue Jays. You know, hopefully
they it'll kind of be funny. You know, we're tying
this in a hockey it'll kind of funny if they
win a series before, you know, even though they please
have won a series, but if they go deep in
the playoffs and yeah, they become Toronto's team.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Well, in the AL, it's wide open. So, like somebody
said to me, could you see a scenario in which
they win the World Series? I go, I can't really
see them winning, but can I see them making the
World Series? I'm like, yeah, Like they're they're better than
the Yankees, they're better than the Red Sox right now,
Detroit's real even slumping recently. Houston's been up and down.
Seattle I think looks pretty strong, but they're still a
game in half out of the division.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
So you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I mean, Toronto can end up being the Jayson b.
Toronto's teams winning and you're still they're flickering away.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Who's your prediction to win?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
I still think in the nationally, the Dodgers, like Genie,
they've been slumping. Recently, they faced the Padres Big Series.
What happened? They swept the Padres like no problem. Padres
had won thirteen to fifteen games. Like heard, they go guys,
the changing the guard Dodgers, like watch this Bam swept
so like I will call out LA when they lose.
I'm not going to count against them one hundred percent
of because you can't do that in sports ago, and

(01:03:00):
I think it kind of can. Like when I watch
these guys they do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
It's crazy. Yeah, They're one of the only light switch
teams that I've seen in a long time that can
just we don't really, Let's just get a lot like
a little bit like Florida, get to the playoffs. We'll
be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I want to get your thoughts on smelling salts before
we depart. The NFL sent an interesting memo to its
teams a couple of weeks ago, tell me they could
not administer smelling salts or ammonia capsules to their players,
although players could by their own little pick me up.
I bring it up because you know how popular smelling
starts are in the NHL. You see players using. They
get kind of that wide. I'd look, JD, how much
do they help? Where are you out on smelling salts

(01:03:35):
helping you during the game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
It becomes like a fixation to a point where you know,
for me, it it just the sensation of you know,
sniffing the smelling salts and you're like it kind of burns.
It does wake you up a bit, but it's not
like this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
For me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
It's never been this crazy thing where I was like,
oh my god, I'm alive. Like Jonah Hill is like
Jonah Hill, Jonah Hill and get him too the Greek.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
You know. It's it's not like a Jeffrey, but it's
it gives a good shot, and it's I mean, man,
does it burn. It burns, So I mean maybe there
it's one of those things smelling. So it's you're gonna
do studies on it. It's gonna be like it just
burns holes in your brain or some shit like that,
or like you're people are blind and they're just gonna
have some random study come out to Campella June in

(01:04:22):
the next ten to twenty years. They just get ahead
of it now. But yeah, it's it's I feel like
the NFL. There's a fucking league that needs smelling salts.
It's the NFL because I mean, you got to be
so on top of your game and it's such a
car crash sport. Especially certain positions. I feel like you

(01:04:42):
should probably so you know, nobody kills anybody in the NFL.
I feel like the linebackers and like the safety should
not be allowed to take it, but like the kicker
and the punter can take it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
That's actually a great idea, the one who is at
the most disadvantage, Like, yeah, the smallest guy. Hey, the kicker,
he's like five ten buck eighty, go ahead, buddy, go nuts.
But the linebacker, we don't need that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
We don't need you, we don't need two seventy absolute
made a muscle man coming Downhill on smelling salts, on
basically bath salts, just eating his own face just to
murder you. I'm like, we don't need that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I think George Kittle came out with saying how frustrating
he was, but he's like, dude, we gotta have her
smelling salts. Like oh, what fun is life could be
if you can't have the smelling salts. I'm like, hey, man,
I'm sure sure it makes an impact. I just like
that when you made a Jonah Hill drug reference, I
would have thought immediately Wolf of wall Street, but instead
you went and get him to the Greek under the
radar like it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
I honestly I think get Him to the Greek does
not get enough credit. I think it is so funny. Yea,
it is so ridiculous, but it is absolutely so funny
because it paints such a funny picture of like, you know,
rock stars and I hearing stories from a couple of
people that have like I mean, it's very on brand
with what shit goes on in that world. But it's

(01:05:56):
just I just found that scene, the Jeffrey scene is
the best to think about a Jeffrey. It goes away,
but then it comes back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Another rewatch here for you. Send up on sixty. Go
check out Good in the Greek if you haven't seen
it for JD and Tallamadnea. Thanks so much for listening
to NHL Unscripted again. We're going weekly after Labor Day.
We're almost there, hockey fans. NHL Unscripted is a production

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