Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, & Matthew Judon react to Aaron Rodgers signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers!

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Matthew Judon react to the Aaron Rodgers signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Matthew Judon talks about his free agency journey this off season, and B.G joins the show to talk his new album & much more!

01:47 - Introduction
03:45 - Judon Free agency
19:31 - Steelers sign Aaron Rodgers
41:37 - Russell Wilson on mentorship
46:50 - BG interview

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from Grand Valley State.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Four time Pro Bowl pro.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Bowler Baltimore Raven New England Patriots, Atlanta Falcons. He's currently
a free agent, Matthew Judan. Matt, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 5 (02:15):
UH.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
As I mentioned at the top of the show. We
have Matthew Judon joining us tonight. Matthew, as I spoke
at the top, that you are free currently a free
agent right now, So what is what are the next steps?
What is what is in the future for Matthew Judon.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Coming to Cincinnati?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
But go ahead?

Speaker 6 (02:31):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Well, shoot, if I came to Cincinnati, man, what they
gonna do? They gotta they gotta get a trade, right
don't they?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah? Hey yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:42):
So uh but right now I'm chilling. You know how
to uh you know how to lead go h not
for long? Uh, you know, I have fun and so
right now I'm just chilling. So if I if I
get a call, I'm working out. I'm doing everything I
need to do to be in shape and ready for
camp or a call any day. But uh, you know,

(03:05):
a lot a lot of stuff not up to me.
So I'm doing what I can do.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Well, let listen. Now I'm gonna say listen, I don't
watch you over he is I know what you could do.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
The product on yourself, your resumes speaks for itself. You're
going to get that call.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Most of the time when we at this point in
your career and then you're waiting do you have a
preferred destination or would you would you would you just
want to play football? Or do you would you rather
go to a contender?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
After last year, I just want to play football.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Uh, you know, I just want to want to just
get back out there and be able to beat me,
do me and so uh, you know, keep going forward,
rushing the passer, Uh, things like that. But uh, you
know everybody always have a preferred destination when you kind
of get uh at this stage in your life, you know,

(03:55):
you want to win games.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
You don't want to just go out there to compete. Uh.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
You know, I'm not really building a resume no more.
I'm trying to win the championship. I want to compete
at the highest level.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
You think about it, Matthew, are like you said, you're
waiting for that call. But what if that how long
are you willing to wait? Are you willing to go
with a couple of games a week, a month into
the season before you receive that call? Somebody get injured? Obviously,
if somebody gets Dean or Nick in training camp, that
call might come sooner than later.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
But how long are you willing to wait for that call?

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Uh? You know, you just wait. You know how, I'm
not retired. I don't feel like I'm retire anytime soon.
So right now I'm just waiting. So if it's if
it's you know, week fifteen, week sixteen of the.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Season, you know I'll be ready.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I'm always gonna work out, you know, I'm always gonna
I find you something to do different every year. So
right now I'm big into Pilate's and then I got
a roll bike that would be right.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
So I'm never going to be not in shape. But
you know how it is with football.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know you got a shape. Being in shape different.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
You gotta get your body conditioned and take it hits
getting back up the bruising h So you know I
won't never get that condition.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
You only can get it in football.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
So right, I mean, whenever they Call'm be ready whenever.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
You know.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
One of the things that I always like and I
always find interesting is ask some players that are not
towards the end of their career, but but obviously in
a situations like this where you're actually wait on the
call to come, and do you have any other passions
of hobbies that you're really enthusiastic about that if I'm
just saying, hypothetically speaking, if that call then come, you know,
finally I can go into that second stage of life

(05:48):
and focus on whatever said hobby or dream it is
yours outside.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Of Oh you know, I really uh like I said,
I really stay working out out kind of mostly through
my whole career.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
And uh and I never wanted.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
To be gone for too long because I'd be like,
I'm always thinking like I gotta be ready in shape.
But if I do, if I don't get that call,
and you know, uh, it ain't it ain't for me.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
It's not ridding the cars. I'm gonna trap.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
I'm getting up out the I'm getting up out the US.
I'm going to I'm going to see some different things.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Earlier this summer, I went to South Africa. Uh that man,
it was nice.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
It was beautiful. Uh and you know I'm I'm into nature.
Uh and heights.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
So we hiked, uh me and one of my best
friends from high school we hiked Cabletop Mountain and so, uh,
you know, I'm gonna start doing.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
That and I'm gonna start doing that.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah. And then did you go on a safari? Did
you did go to the Arunga Mountains? I mean, did
you do anything like see anything? Big five?

Speaker 4 (06:58):
So so I gotta I gotta video, all right, okay,
And the Safari man was kind of he was playing,
but I got a video and he talking about the
elephants as they walking in because we was on a
little reserve where they keep the elephants in closed but
they free is huge and the elephant walking right towards me.
I'm talking about, if this man don't move a vehicle,

(07:20):
I'm about to get stepped on.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
And so we're just right there and he.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Not with the vehicle off, He not moving the vehicle,
and at the last minute.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Like he turned it on and moved. But I got
I got.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
A video, like I had to get ab out of there,
like I'm running from an elephant.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I'm about to get stepped on.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
But you know, just just seeing just seeing that type
of stuff and it's upcoast in person. Ye man, like
the world beautiful in the nature, all that stuff. And
so I like to do that more. And then y'all
got four kids to just traveling with them.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, just see to see those animals in their natural habitat,
not even an enclosure like at the zoo, but to
see them in their natural habitat and to see how
they interact with the other animals. Obviously, it's a prey,
it's a it's a prey and a predator environment.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
So it's all about survival and that's all. It's about them.
The Serengetti.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, let me ask you this, mate, you have a
very Look, you started out with the Ravens, then you
go to the Patriots, and then you go to Atlanta.
If you don't mind share, because you, I mean, not
a whole lot of people get an opportunity to play
for the Ravens, you know, play for Ravens and the Patriots,
and we know how you know, a lot of times
it came down in the playoffs. They kicked the Patriots

(08:36):
out of the playoff, Patriots kicked the Ravens out of
the playoffs, and they end up in and and and Atlanta.
Can you give a little insight to the differences in
the and the culture and and and and what's going on,
like say, from Baltimore to New England and then Atlanta
when you had raheem Yeah, oh man.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
I mean I think I think I was blessed to
play with three different great coaches and they all different
in their own ways, and I think the more relaxed
and uh down the earth coach was a rock and uh,
you know, h I felt like I was able to

(09:17):
talk to him and connect with him on a different
level because I'm I'm a veteran in this and kind
of just how how we talk and how we talked
as men and so uh, that was that was different.
But uh going to the Patriots locker room, uh and
playing alongside Devin and High Tower and you know, Kylevin

(09:44):
Know and Jamie Collins and and just people like that.
You know, I didn't get the time, so I was
in the post Tom Verdier.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
But you see how those those kind of players that
played with him or played in that regime, how they
worked ethics was different than so many other people. And
not saying that I ain't played with like good players
at Baltimore, but just those type of players.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
I learned a lot a lot from them, And then
I also learned a lot from uh like Matt Slater.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't know if y'all ever man, he was there.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Slate was there when I was there.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Man, Slave Slate been there. He a cornerstone of that franchise.
And people like that and how how they prepare, how
they work, and how they keep their bodies right. Uh.
They they there from almost before the sun rise until
the sun set, and and then and then when you

(10:48):
see them with their families and so uh, it was
just amazing to see something like that. And and I
know that the younger players that came through there, they
learned so much much from Bill, but they learned so
much more from the culture of the locker.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Room and how the locker room was ran and how
and how like.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
The Bill didn't have to keep the ship tight because
everybody else in front of you was.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
And uh. But then and then playing what under uh
Bill Belichick.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
It's like, you know, he kept he kept young, He
kept young coaches around him because he know, I think
he knew that he wasn't never gonna connect with the
players like the younger coaches. But but him just asked
like getting in front of the meeting and just kind
of his mannerisms and you know, his kind of jokes

(11:41):
and and how he was and his knowledge of I mean,
I mean, I think I think he know everything about
everything like you you asked him about.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I mean, he might know he.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Know a little more about the game than we do,
like the girls than we do. He pull in, He
pull in whatever he wants. So so uh so Bill
like like he he know everything about everything and he
and on Monday, he gonna tell.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
You how the game go. He how the how the
game don't go for Sunday.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Uh, and then he gonna he gonna stripped it out
all week and then uh and then you know, after win, loser, draw,
he gonna have the same mentality.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
So I really respected that from him. And then uh,
the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Like I was a baby, I was, uh you know,
I got I got trained, I got trained by Terrell Sugz.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
You know, you know I got to I got to
play with Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Crabtree. Uh, you know
some guys that you know I just watched growing up,
watched getting into the game.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I got to.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I got to play with Darious Web And then I
still I still got friends, uh like like true genuine friends.
We talk every day from from that team and so
uh so it was just different. It was just different.
It's different at different stages of my career, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
At one point in time, you know, I never made
plays in the NFL. Then one point and then at
the next the next stage, you know, you know, they
like I have to make plays. I'm getting paid. I
got paid to make plays. And then uh then I
went through a trade and see period, I got traded.
You know, they traded me on my birthday too, like

(13:31):
kind of crazy, but uh yeah, so uh but I
traded and then coming into a locker room trying to
trying to see, like how you fit in where they
see you as in the last year of my contract.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
So you like you're like ship is y'all gonna.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Keep me around?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Pay me? Uh? But you know, it was just different
parts of the locker room.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
And then I think I got to play, like with
one of the greatest quarterbacks that's ever gonna I'm gonna
play Lamar like I never I never say nothing bad
about he, Like like, uh, anytime I speak about him,
it's gonna be highly Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
I think he know that. But oh when it when
it comes down to it, I think, uh he gonna
be one of the best to ever do it.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Are you do you wish the situation had played out
differently the way the situation ended in New England? Do
you do you look back and said you could have
done something differently, handle it differently. They could have handled
it differently. What would you if you could go back now,
knowing what you know now, what would you like to read?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
What would you like to redo? What would the redo be?
What would the doe?

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know it. I ain't know.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I ain't really know big Redo peep person.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
But I do play stuff back in my mind though,
like you know, like like do I do I have
to say this? Like it was it wasn't necessary, but
I feel like in a moment, man, we're human, like, uh,
if somebody, if somebody, I treat you like that, like
it ain't never gonna go. It ain't never gonna go.
Overwhelmed with me like I go, I gotta say something.

(15:05):
I gotta say something. So that's just me. But uh,
I would have made sure I never left New England.
I would have made sure I never left Boston. Uh,
the connections in Boston like uh, I don't think it's
I don't think it's no other place like you know, uh,
from the Bruins to the Celtic to the rest like

(15:28):
like like I know players from each team you know,
and uh, and we cordial. It's it's not like no
big ups or nothing, and and we cordial and just
uh from the people down on Newberry Street to the restaurants.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like when you when you down there and you're you
in it like.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
You you uh, you the musician, you, the you, the
you know, the the.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Demand, the demand a high school.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
That Like that's how I feel like when you in
Boston playing well and you're a part of the New England.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Like when you're a.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Part of that, like it's not nowhere you can't go
that you want you to feel like I ain't supposed
to be here. Everything welcome and everything open, So I
would I would have made sure I never left the building.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
All right, let's get into this NFL news, guys. The
Stealers have found their starting quarterback. Aaron Rodgers put pen
the paper on a one year deal. He signed a
one year thirteen point six five million dollars of passing
the physical at the team facility on Saturday. Sources told
Adam Schefter the deals include ten million guaranteed and with incentives,
can reach nineteen point five million. Oh Joe, let's go

(16:55):
to you. What do you think? What do you What
are your expectations from Rodgers and what will he give
the Steelers.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Hey, listen, he would he give the Stealers. You give
the Steelers hope, you give the Steelers organization, you give
the Steelers fans. He gives him hope. You look at
the AFC North, It's dominated by Lamar Jackson Joe Burrow,
and I'm not sure what the Cleveland situation is going
to look like. But flack O obviously has has inside
tracked and starting, yeah, inside track, because he's been in
the AFC nor before being in Baltimore and then having

(17:23):
success in Cleveland when he when he came in to
start for Deshaun Watson when he got hurt. So Aaron
Rodgers is better than everything that the Steelers have outside
of him at the quarterback position. And that's no disrespect
to them. That's no disrespect to Mason Rudolph and whoever
else they have there they have at the Helm. But
Aaron Rodgers, if he can show glimpses, just glimpses of

(17:43):
what he was once in the past, I think they
would be okay. They have enough pizzas around him, obviously.
DK Metcalf, I'm not sure who the who the who
the running back is.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
They got Austin and they got Robert Woods.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Robert Woods is there, he has he has a nice
supporting cast around him, and you need the support and
cast to be on point to make it job easier.
Because Aaron Rodgers is not in the position again to
elevate those around him. He going to need to help
from those he's surrounded by.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
What do you think you done? What you think about
this deal? You like? You like it?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
I think uh. I think the stealers are like they
are there. They get hurt from the greatness of Mike
tom Mike Tomlan always gonna have them in contention, so
they can't go and form a quarterback from the draft.
So I think this they I think this is their
best pick. Like there's nobody else out there. Uh listen,

(18:39):
there's nobody else unless you want to make a trade,
but nobody really trading no good quarterback like that. And
so uh if Aaron Rodgers had come in and complete
passes and be good in the locker room and do enough,
they gonna be in the playoffs again because just how
Mike Thomlins had that physical defau Yeah, you're always gonna

(19:02):
have a great pass rush with with Cam and TJ like,
so it's gonna it's gonna be hard for them to
be bad.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
They just can't mess it up on offense.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
The team announced that Rogers will wear the number eight.
He wore the same number in New York after wearing twelve.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
In Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Cherry Bradshaw wore number twelve, and though it's not officially retired,
the team doesn't typically give out that number. I think
Joe Green seventy five. I think Ernie Stoutner seventy. I
think though, I think it's like three numbers that are
officially officially retired.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
But I don't think they've they've given out like thirty two.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Whatever the number that is another number that I don't
think they've given out fifty eight, forty seven like Lamb
mal Blunt. But they are certain, you know, obviously from
that Steel Curtain era in which they won force some
Bowl in six years, some of those guys have numbers,
and even though they're not officially retired, I don't think
it's worn those numbers since. But I know I think
Joe Green, yep, Frank o'harris okay, Ernie Stoutner de tackle

(20:10):
his numbers retired seventy Joe Green seventy five, Frank o'harris
thirty two. Numbers not officially retired but not reissued, Terry
Bradshaw's twelve, Troy Polamalu forty three, Jack Lambert's fifty eight,
Jack Ham fifty nine, DERMONDI. Dawson's sixty three, and number
eighty six Hines Ward.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
M Well eighty six retired.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
It's not retired, but they haven't reissued it as well.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
You know, you know also you know Aaron Ward eight
it at New York, but you know he was eight
at Colt. Yeah, cally Well he was eight. So hopefully
you can get some of that, some of that that
that cal Berkeley magic back in the system. Tho they
help those stealers out because listen, if.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's a very tough division at the top. Yes, yeah,
you got the great in Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yeah yeah. If he doesn't play well, If he doesn't
play well, you know, players get coaches fired. Man and
Tomin could be on the hot seat for making Obviously
he had he had him wait, he had the whole
organizations waiting he's coming. And obviously he signed because they
got Mini camp coming up very soon. Manator for Mini
Camp and he wants to be a part of that,
which is also a good thing. That's a good sign.

(21:21):
That lets that lets me know that he's buying it
as opposed to what he did last season out there
in New York. So that's a good thing. But I
think that they have a bad season. Think you think,
Mike Tomlin on hot seat?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
No excuse me? Did you signed an extension? That don't matter?

Speaker 5 (21:39):
What that mean?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
They pay that all every year.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Listen, they were they was already talking about it last year.
Bro ste Steelers haven't fired the coach in sixty nine.
I was born in sixteen. Im about to be fifty seven,
So they haven't fired the coach in fifty six years.
And you just said Judi and the man hadn't had
a losing.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
He never gonna have a losing season.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
He trained him so well, they played so hard for
Mike Thomas, He's never gonna have a losing season.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
That's enough. That's enough, just having just having this year.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know, I don't think it's enough because he the
one that said the standard is the standard. Well, if
the standard is getting to and competing for Super Bowl,
they ain't competed for a Super Bowl a long time
that nobody thought, even though they make the playoffs, oldest man,
the Steelers aren't threat. When was the last time that
someone thought that Steelers would be a threat in the playoffs?

Speaker 5 (22:29):
But when they had Parla malo, when they had Ike Taylor.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Man Parla Malu retired. He in the Hall of Fame.
So he had to wait at least five years to
get into the hall. So we thought about the least
at the bare minimum five.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Were you you asked when that's that's ass Winton, when
they had to wait, when their identity was their defense.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
They hadn't been a serious threat since being But but
do you mean that mean change? Does that mean change?
We ain't been.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
A serious stat or or we have been so consistent
that we just haven't got the right players, and they haven't.
They haven't had a quarterback that's there since being here?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Whose part is that there's consistence.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
They had an opportunity they kill it you and they
had been Roethlisberger, and they thought Bread was gonna pay
play like Tom Brady. You know he wasn't because he's
been involved in too many crashes. He's taking too much punishment.
So what you do is that what good teams do.
What did Kansas City do draft the quarterback and they
still had one on the roster. What did Baltimore do
when they had Joe Flacco? You were there, they drafted

(23:33):
a quarterback? You see what good team? What did Green
Bay do? Draft the quarterback? What the Green Bay do
with Aaron Rodgers? Draft the quarterback? You see what everybody does?
You don't wait. If you wait to your car break
down side the road, it's too late. You're already spraying it.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Okay, all right, but it's that my fault.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, you'll think might got no sake.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
If he say get us a quarterback, get us a quarterback, Please,
get us a quarterback, and they don't get us a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
And how y'all gonna get mad at me?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
You know, you give Mike all that, you give all
that my credits say, he never gonna have he never
gonna have him in a losing situation. So who drafting
those players? The dream of Mike Tomblin.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, I mean, we don't know what go on in
the war room, but you can't you can't just say, well,
that's Mike Tomland, Mike tom won a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Matt hold On Joe Matthew, You mean to tell me
a man that's been there, damn there twenty years?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
He ain't got no fake.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
How long the Jim been there?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Not not as long as Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
I ain't never heard of still as fined no gym
or getting a new gym.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
And I heard him. I tell you what you ever
heard of him? Fired the coach exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
So my thing is, when you're there that long, you
have some say you have some sale free the fifty three,
you have some saying free agency, and you that how
long Mike Tomlin been there? My coach, Kyle retired in
two two thousand, they won the Super Bowl in five.
He came back in six, so he retired in seven.
He's been there in nineteen years. You not. There's no

(25:09):
coach that's been anywhere for nineteen years that does not
have safe I refuse to believe that.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
I don't know who hold on hold on, Jude, I don't.
I don't even think it's about saying I'm thinking about
the relationship that Ben Roethlisberger might have had with upper management.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
With those great relationship with Mike Tomlin too.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no no, no, no, no,
Because if Mike Thomlin, Mike Tomin was the head coach,
He's been in the NFL for a very long time. Mike
COmON knows at some point, I'm going to have to
find your successor. At some point. You look at you,
you look at the landscape of the league. Those that
didn't do it, Look what's happening now do.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
It.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
That's why, that's why I think that the calling was
above Mike Tomlin's pay grade.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I just agree.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
I know, yo, a, your starring court back, your franchise quarterback,
is getting paid more than the coach.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, again, the relationships.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Might be a little stronger than the even though the
coach been there longer, he's more team I think, well,
I mean, we're paying this due only seventeen million a year.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
We're paying this dude fifty.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
We understand that Mike Tomlin had a very strong relationship.
He's always had a very strong relationship with his star players.
We know that based on the history. We know that
being and when Ab was there and a lot of
these other guys. We know how he feels about his
great players. But in order to keep this from happening

(26:41):
to you, if you do not get a bridge. If
you wait till somebody burn your bridge down, how the
hell do you get to the other side. I gave
you example Kansas City Alex Smith was a Pro Bowl quarterback.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
What did they do, Matt?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
What a super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
But when you see that, when you see that.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Mm hm, they went and got uh wis buddy from
pitt They went and got.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Man stop playing picketing out front.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
No, we won't go. We gotta put that on somebody.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
We got.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
We gotta put that on somebody.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
When when somebody don't turn out in the draft, how
you think they are not saying he's a bad player.
They didn't like him for the system and they didn't
like what he was doing, so they had to move on.
Do you put that on the coach or do you
put that on a person that selects and pays the players.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
I think the thing is is that I believe there
there are drafts that they had better quarterback options.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
You could sit back and say, you know what, next year,
this quarterback is good, but you have to move.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
What did the Green Bay do Jordan? What did they
do with Jordan Love?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
How much was they paying Aaron Rodgers and they and
after they signed him, they gave him a big deal.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, he came.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
He was pissed off, absolutely, And just like Brett Farr
was pissed off when they did what drafted Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
I mean then Aaron Rodgers seen a situation playoffs, he
said he already he already knew what was in the car.
So he said, all right, y'all not gonna play me.
How y'all played Brett, and just move on. I can't
worry about one year. I got to worry about the
next ten fifteen years. So if you just worry about
one year and one guy's feelings, you'll be stuck. All right,

(28:33):
those in those nineteen years, In those nineteen years, I
mean what they I think the only the only player
that would have felled that far to him, which is
a bad pick, was Lamar.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
No, it's not that you fought. You move up, Patrick Mahomes.
They moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. They moved, they
moved up to get Jordan Love. You don't have to
stay at seat you looking at the philosophy. Let somebody
fall into my lap. No, if there's somebody, you move
up to go get them.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
And that's where what I said comes into play. Uncle,
not pissing off your franchise quarterback. I think the relationship
with Ben Roethlisberger and management in GM and president was
much stronger than that of whatever Mike Tomler might have wanted.
You think Tomon didn't want a quarterback when he realized
being Okay, you're not moving the same, Oh Ben, you
can't throw the same or the velocity on the ball

(29:25):
is not the same. Mike Toman can see that stuff. Yeah,
he didn't have to say so, regardless of being the
coach for nineteen years to go and get who we wanted.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
But here's the thing you still got. You maintained that
great relationship. Now, how you looking this part? Because the Steelers,
what's the standard for the Steelers. When we think of Steelers,
we think of what oh Jr. Championship Championship?

Speaker 4 (29:46):
No, No, you think of defense? Sal you think you
think of steel Mike townand that's his defense.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
That they got.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
They got Ben Roethlisberger, and they had Antonio Brown and
they had leveyon Bell. They've been abandoned the defense when
they had the triple bs, they were throwing the ball.
Ben Roethlisbergers got two five thousand yard seavers. He's got
four or five hundred yard games.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
They've been abandoned that.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
They just had.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
They had they had a exposal offense for five six years.
They had like they had his sposal offense. They always
had a good wide receiver. They always had a good
wide receiver. Somebody get the ball, take the top off.
They always gonna have that defense. When you think Steelers,
you think hard hitting defense.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
You know you know when you.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Hear that, Hey, Mamroun, you hear that, don't you know
that it is about to do something.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
You know that. You know that, you know it's gonna
be cold, rainy, wet when you go in there.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
The grass grass ain't worth nothing, but the defense gonna
have to come to play. And so if you're gonna
beat the Steelers, you have to keep the ball, You
have to know how to run the ball, and you
have to limit.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Exposed to plays from their offense. That's all you gotta.
That's how you be distabed when.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
The last time they've had explosive plays from the offense.
Ben Roethlisberger's been gone, A Be's been gone, Leveyon Bell
been gone, so what if you know the Steelers that
have explosive plays.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
And that's why that's why George Pickins left the building. George,
George Pickens want to be he wanna, he wanna dance,
he wanna he want to be in the ends all
he wanna he want to do that. That's why George
Pickens left the building. He said, I have I need.
I need to the linel like I want. I want
to see I want to see how that feels. He

(31:40):
want to be Jamar Chase. He wanted he's seen he's
seen what that look like in the division, and he said,
I can't get that here.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Right, Matthew, thanks for joining us tonight, man, best de
luck you free agency. Come back when you when you
get something penciled in, come back in Jordans and let
us know.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Where you're going.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
All right, I got y'all appreciate it, bro, all right, my.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Boy, Oh Joe, Hey, hey, y'all.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Hey, before you start, like like real quick, real quick,
I just I just want to say something to you.
I'm gonna say it in Coldlon, but you understand what
I'm saying, even even though it's Mike, Even though it's Mike.
I don't think he has the pool, even though he's
the head coach to override pissing off the franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Stay with me. He got I get you what you're saying.
But he got more do you think?

Speaker 5 (32:30):
Yeah? Absolutely, because he's been there so long. But with that,
with that centerpiece that been there, that lot.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's
got had Bill Belichick pool. I'm not saying he got
Andy Reid type pool, but he might have. He might
be next in line with when it come to pool.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
Right right, right right, I got you, I got you, well,
same thing.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Can think about it. They went out, they got Joe Flacco,
who led them to a super Bowl. What they gonna
do They trade back into the first round, give up
next year's first round pick to get Lamar.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Hey, you know you can see it, right, you know
you when your player is declining, Yes, things are the same,
especially at the quarterback position, you can see it. The
funny thing about it is how much do players or
how much are they self aware that they're declining. It
starts slipping.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's hard because oko, you don't want to believe it,
because you've been great for so long you don't want
to believe it, and so oot to yourself. You lie
to yourself, You lie to yourself.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Hey boy, you turn that film on and be like
it is that damn damn?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
He moving slow?

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I'm like, oh that's me. Man who like they got
on tims who run it like they got Tim's on
the field.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Where that camera, that camera, that eye in the sky
will embarrass Yes?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Uh oh Joe Adam Fanler the cast deck. We we
ain't got I mean, we ain't got what you call him?

Speaker 3 (34:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Oh, you just wrote that in there. That what you
just wrote this This tweeted.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
That Webb well well weeb.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Jordan Tuck, Yeah, Jordan Tuck made a good point on Twitter.
Imagine moving on from George Pickens thinking the locker room distraction,
only to end up with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
Well, I mean Aaron Rodgers is a different type of distraction,
a different type of distraction. Now, obviously I think he
knock going to cause any problem because his lease is short.
Because if you know that.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
He is back up sorry, his least long hold.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Listen, you messed things up in Pittsburgh. Where's your next destination?
Where's your next home? I mean about heat. That's what
I meant you you have the leverage. You don't have
the leverage you once had, were sought after, were you
wanted the best in the league. You're still living off
that past resume, which is why I wanted and waited

(35:15):
for you to sign this late before mandatory mini camp,
because they don't have any other options.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right, So at twenty a year twenty one, I mean,
this is gonna be his twenty first season. How many
more seasons do you think he really want to play?
He want to subject himself getting up studying film, studying
film all day money, studying film all day Tuesday, watching
film after practice on Wednesday Thursday.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
And you know how long you think Aaron Rodgers wants
to do that?

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Listen, hey, when you see what the AFC Nord's like,
ain't no tailor where he might be one and done
after this season.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
That's my point.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I mean, at twenty, I mean you take it first
of all, once you get to a certain number of years,
you take it eight. I probably a quarterback. Other positions
probably take it year teen. Quarterbacks probably take it a
year fifteen, especially if the way they protect him now
so he's gotten six years past year fifteen. Yeah, ain't
like Yeah, I don't think you try to eclipse Tom.
He tried to play twenty four. You think you try

(36:15):
to play twenty four seasons. Ain't no telling, Ain't no telling.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
Because I obviously they will continue to sign in the
one year deals if things go well.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I listen.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I mean it's a very ten friendly contract. I mean
thirteen ten guarantees.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Nothing nothing, that's nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I'm listen.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
I love the Steelers. I don't want them to do well.
I want them to do well, except when they play
the Bengals. I want DK Metcalf, I want Calvin Alston
the third, and I want Robert Moore. They have Robert Woods,
Robert Woo, I'm sorry, Robert Woods. They have phenomenal seasons
like they can. I just want to see him do well.
For Mike Tomin's sake, I steal a fans has always

(36:53):
been good to me. I fucking love all of them.
But when you play the Bengals, y'all neat, y'all ass for.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Oh Yoe, we all heard with Joe Flacko's comments about
being a mentor or not being a mental should do
them well Russell Wilson was asked about how he approaches
mentorship with Giants QB Room, including first round draft pick
Jackson dark.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I've always viewed it as I'm always tried.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
To be at the very version of you, and then
you're always giving back to everyone else. I think I
think that's just not about one teammate. It's about all
the teammates. It's about everybody in the building. It's about
from all the way to the from the quarterback room
to the.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Receivers to the running back.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
So it's like, to me, it's all inclusive, and that's
always the approach. Russe says. I'm not just trying to
mindle the quarterbacks. I'm trying to mindle receivers. I'm trying
to mentor running backs. I'm trying to be the best
because I feel if I give to you, you're going
to give back to me, and then we'll all give
back to.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
The team and then we'll succeed. You look what Russ
had to say.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
Can you can't ask that man Rush? That's the preacher.
The preacher always gonna say the right thing. Huh Okay,
can't you can't ask You can't ask Rush that man?
You got to ask You got to ask somebody else
that question. You know, Russ is going to always say
the right thing. Russ is gonna run for office. What's
gonna run for mayor? Hell, R's gonna run for goddamn president, right, man,

(38:22):
he had he has the gift, the gap. He understands
the position that he's in. He's been afforded another opportunity
to prove himself, which I think he will do. But
in that situation, he has to say that does he
really do that way? Absolutely not. Hell, this motherfucker is
here to take my goddamn job. Yeah, he first round
pick out of my mouth, he's the first round pick.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I know, my least is short.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yeah, he like to say that, does he really feel
absolutely not as a competitor as a football player.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
And the thing and the thing is, though, Jose, look
it doesn't matter how long.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know, Russ came in in twenty twelve, So this
is year what fourteen for us?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Your fourteen for us?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Good years?

Speaker 5 (39:01):
Good yees.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
So we're like, man, you try to speed up my
process to get out of the league.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
I'm on that. That's what it is. I mean. Mentors, man,
she better, you better, you better, get it on your own. Hey,
just think about just think about that, people in the chat,
people in the chat that's listening. Think about somebody coming
to your job that's brand new and your boss telling
you who train them to take your job?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
That's all it is.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
And when you do a mentor as like as if
what you mean mentor like come on now, they make
it sound like it's a good thing, but it's really
not a good thing. The person is there to replace you.
When you're telling me the training will take my job.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Talk about don't you get a man some porters on
your damn who tell the man how to beat man coverage?
Tell the man how to god sit down in his zone, look,
turn on the film. Got to talk to him, he said, man,
he let me tell you what I do.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Then what you do? This is what this is what
I do.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Nah.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Then, because listen you we don't we don't have the
same DNA. We don't have the same DNA, we don't
have the same quick twitch fibers. So even if I
do tell you what to do, you're not gonna be
able to do it because I stopped.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I just want you to tell if I just want
to say, hey, I learn from Ocho.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Nah, listen you Blad play mad Mad tell you how
to get open on everything.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Hey, remember how they've got everybody to bet that we
trained with Kobe. I trained what Elija want? You know,
I just want to you know, I just want to
say I trained with I want to trade with I
trained with Bruce Lee. Ye, that's why I want to
say I trained with Bruce Lee.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Hey, and don't look nothing like you.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, everybody's gonna have their opinions.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
It's it's very I mean, it all depends on the
quarterback because you know, but that's the reason why if
you notice starting quarterbacks they take the kneel down and
everything they don't and they do not Andrey they're gonna
fight through injured because they don't want you to get
a look at the backup. The last thing I want you, man,
did you look kind of good in price today?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Ojoe did? Yeah, he threw it with some conviction block.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Nah, he can get the scout team refs, but he
ain't get no refs with them number one receivers.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
That ain't happening.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
So I looked.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
It's to each his o, his eaches on. I mean, everybody,
there's no, right, there's no wrong. As long as you're
not you know, hey, as long as you're not giving
him no faulty information.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
We're good.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I don't really have I don't really have no problem
on because I tried to help all the guys. I
wanted to make sure if something were to happen to me,
oh Joe, they were prepared to go in there and
perform at a high level. But you know, I get
it from the other stand because, like I said, I
mentioned all those guys, and you know, Mike felt they
were good enough to replace me. And then the same
thing happened. When I got got to Baltimore. They drafted

(41:56):
Todd Todd heat after we won the Super Bowl. I
tried to, you know, do the best I could have
mentor him, and they're like, well, yeah, he's good now.
So they released me and I had to go back
to I had to go back to Denver. So I
don't know, it is what it is.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Do you I was good?

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I would Let's just say with you, I wasn't disappointed
to go back to Denver.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
I got you. I got you all right?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Joining us now from the from the booty remember the
hot boy, what.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Are you doing?

Speaker 3 (42:29):
I was so was So what's up.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Joining us? Oh?

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Man? Man, I appreciate shall hap man? How you doing?

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Man?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (42:40):
We'll show being like St Shan Vegas cent a minute, man,
we ain't bumping shut out missed the breakfast spot in
a minute.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Yeah yeah, at Chris Cafe. I'm gonna be down. I'm
gonna be down that way in a minute. I'm gonna be
down that the way. The minute I gonna hit you. Man,
we go to that eat a little bit, man, talk
your politics a little bit, bet that tell us about
tell us about this happened that you just dropped freedom
of speech?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
What what's what's in the name?

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Oh freedom of speech?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Man?

Speaker 6 (43:08):
It just comes from you not just come home from
doing a twelve and a half year federal sentence.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Right.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
So you know when I first came home, they had
put a gag all on me, man, and pretty much
silaced me and told me they didn't want me doing
nothing pertaining to rap or entertainment that I could make
money off of, you know what I mean. So that
I had to go through that and go back to
court and fight it and go in front of the judge,

(43:34):
and you know what I mean, It just was a lot, man,
that I had to go through just to be able
to rap again. Man, And I just felt like, you know,
they was parading on my first amendment.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Man.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
They absolutely, they absolutely were. So you say, you just
came home, you did a twelve year bid going you're
in there. I mean, people know who you are. I'm
I'm I'm thinking that you're in G pop. You're not
in so and so now everybody knows who they are.
What mm hmm, what's what's what's the many? Cause think

(44:07):
about it? Be you had it all, bro, you I
mean you was, you was on top of the world,
and now a lot of.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
The things that you probably took for granted you're like, damn.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Naw, that's a fag.

Speaker 6 (44:19):
It's it's it's it's many nice man that you know.
I was in that cell when the lights went out
and shaded a tear too, Like, man, how to fuck
put myself in this situation?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Man? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (44:30):
But you know it is what it is.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Man. At the end of the day, you know I
understood I wasn't no angel, right, and you know I
had to I had to take my lick and accept
what came with it. Man, they were trying to let
me out in like, you know, two three years. But
they wanted me to take some of my homies down
with me. Man. And you know, I ain't grew up
like that. That ain't in my heart, you know what

(44:54):
I'm saying. So it was like I gotta stand on
what's real and and and take it on the chair
and you know what I mean. So you know I
took my licking rope many.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Hey listen, hey, listen, listen, being being being behind that
ball man eleven twelve years. Man, it can change anybody.
I just got a young boy down here in Miami.
He just came home from doing seventeen. I said, I
asked him, you know, firstly when he got out, I said, well,
what do it feel like to do seventeen? He said,
they gave me too much time to think.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
No, that's a fact, man, said, they gave They gave
me too.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Much time to think. So for you doing that eleven twelve,
what habits? I mean? How has your mindset changed differently
now as opposed to how it was when you went in?

Speaker 6 (45:35):
I mean, you know when I when I went in,
I was you know, young, wow, reckless, you know what
I mean, so you know, it gave me a chance
to really like he was saying, like, appreciate you know
this this this this thing called hip hop. Man, that
that that that changed my life. You know what I'm saying,
change the people lives around me. You know what I'm saying,

(45:55):
Like put my family first, like you know, put my
career first. Put up you know what I mean, Like,
just just.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Just focus, man, Like I'm a proun example.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
When keeping it real goes wrong, man, you know what
I'm saying, Like I had been you know, made it
out the hood man and not. I just don't surround
myself with you know, the same people I used to
surround myself with, man, Because at the end of the day,
you gotta understand when you outgroup mother for the man.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, and that that's that's
a hard thing too. One of the things that you
just said is everybody can go on that journey. You know,
you get out and the same people again want you
to be right back in the same place that you
was before you went in there.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
B it's it.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
Yeah, something I listen, man, I came home and sing
this song, but the.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Who who's that?

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (46:57):
Twelve, Yeah, a third ten years, a little steel touring
the same ship I left him do.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
And that's when I say.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I don't know if you can hear us. Seemed like
it's ah, can you Oh?

Speaker 3 (47:19):
How you went out on me? Okay?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
They said, look, your physical body can be in prison
as long as your mind isn't in prison. Had a
hall boy says, Look is that when your mind isn't
it's incarcerated, that's when it gets difficult. That's when you
get guys doing crazy stuff and they succumb to those
four walls. How did you keep your mind outside although

(47:49):
your physical body was inside.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
I ain't even lying, bro, Like it took me like
four or five years, you know what I mean, because
when I first went in, I really couldn't see the end,
you know what I mean, Like that was a long
stretch for somebody like me who was coming from the
life I was coming from the lifestyle I was coming from.
And you know, they slamm me behind the wall with
all these lifers, and you know, dudes with thirty forty

(48:16):
sixty seventy years ain't never going home, you know what
I mean. So them first couple of years, like I
had found myself getting institutionalized, you know what I'm saying.
So you know, I started, I just started going to
the low library, you know, started doing a lot of
reading because I had put my pen down and everything. Man,

(48:36):
I wasn't even right, you know, more because I was like, man,
it's old for me. Man, like the game, it's hard
to remain relevant in this shit for a couple of.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Months, like a year.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
So I'm like, man, I'm like, man, twelve years. Man,
I'm like, man, I ain't gonna I ain't believe in
the beginning that I'll be able to make a comeback.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Man.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
But you know, being a part.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
Of a click that pretty ones to find the error,
you know what I'm saying, which is that dollar sign
cash money and all my homies you know, remain relative
and still was doing the thing. It made that transition
a little bit more easier for me, you know what
I mean. But yeah, man, I just you know, the
Internet has started the boom, man, And you know it

(49:21):
was it because I ain't like when I went in
and I was doing everything I wasn't supposed to do,
Like you know, I'm told nih something.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
You know, I'm I'm just I'm in there life.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
So it's like, you know what I mean, and you
gotta get with the program, you know what I'm saying.
And then by me being who I am, you know
you got to be a little bit more extra, you
know what I'm saying, because you know niggas he really yeah, man,
And I wasn't gone for none of that, you know
what I'm saying. So you know it took it took

(49:52):
a minute for me to just kind of life, you know,
call down man, and get my mind all the way
right and get focused and and realize like, man, I
got another.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Man.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
So I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna tighten up, you
know what I'm saying, stay focused, read these good books,
and you know what i mean, get back out.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
She'll try to put my life back together.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Man, What was a typical What was a typical day
like for you?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
So you wait, what you wake up at, what time
you do, whateffter that you do whatever that?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Then what do you what time of the lights out?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
What?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
What was a typical day like for BG?

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Damn?

Speaker 6 (50:33):
I pop up five in the morning, Bam, throw my
pop like six, I'm gonna make me a cup of coffee.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
You know what I'm saying, why seeing.

Speaker 6 (50:42):
It see you know what I'm saying, Why seeing it
with some of the old heads.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
He what's going on on the news, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
And then bam, watch some first take, then catch the
wreck y'arll go work out.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
You know what I'm saying. Come back in, you know,
make something to eat. You know what I'm saying. Get
on the phone, you know us for a few businesses
or something. You know what I'm saying. Didn't go back outside?

Speaker 7 (51:04):
You know, oh, man up, go ahead, finish it about
go ahead?

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Did it?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Boo?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Bah?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
You did that?

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
You said you hit to the reck yard? So you
do a push ups? Pull ups? Do they have a
weight room? Can you live weights? Or did they take
Have they taken all the wayside of the facilities?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
They acted. Man, they was trying to start.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
Some of these out. It was pull up steps, push ups, burpies.
You know what I'm saying, like all callous, that is man,
yurel man. But that shit'll ripped you up.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Due.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
So you said when you got back and you say,
you know, you make your coffee. You do what you
gotta do you come back and make some food you
was making?

Speaker 7 (52:11):
You?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Oh, you was making So you get stuff from the
common sary. You probably get ramen noodle, you're getting the
honey buns, you're getting a little babbie, You're getting certain things.
So you actually cooking.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
In your room. Yeah, all late food. That was cold
flooding with the cooking.

Speaker 6 (52:28):
So you know, I got all the previous every day
he needs and we whipping up in the microweed you
know that micaelweed?

Speaker 3 (52:36):
You make that shit? You think that ship came out
the oven and off the stove or some ship you know.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Come on, man, they put it out like that.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Man, they got.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Fishing and start chefs in there.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Oh Joe, yeah they hey.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Be talking about five star shifts. Shit me, when you're.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
I want to get back to you, I'm going to
get back to the music, right. I'm gonna get back
to your music right. When you talk about you know,
the album the LP peach right, and when you went
to talk to the judge about your first amendment to
be able to wrap the way you want to despite
you know, the conviction, to despite your past, were you
able to win that so you can have them to
say and rap about what you want to expecting that.

Speaker 6 (53:22):
Yeah, because that's and that was their main thing, Like
you know, they was trying to control my content and
tell me what I could and couldn't rap about, you.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (53:31):
And you not just felt like you know, that was wrong.
I made a career for, you know, doing gainst the music.
I ain't the first one to rap about it. I
ain't gonna be the last one to rap about it,
you know what I mean. N W and two live
Proof you know had this first Amendment fight thirty years ago,
you know what I mean. So I was I was
looking at it from from that point of view. But

(53:51):
the judge she ordered me to, uh, before I make
any you know, raps of songs available to the public,
that I have to turn them over to my po
So my PIO could put them on the record, but
they don't have to approve it or nothing.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
But yeah, they definitely listening.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Know they be listening, man, That's why they're trying to
leave Jnsters Man. Be mindful, man, you heard me, because
the people listening, man, and they'll take them wraps and
turn them against you.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Absolutely. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Tell the people how they can find your documentary, because
you did a documentary about your life on the outside
before it started inside and now you're back out again.
How can people find your documentary?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Oh? Man?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Many from my other on my speech to documentary.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
You know what I'm saying, It's just me, you know,
basically know that I had because and they called that
a violation of my probation. You know what I mean
saying that. You know, they, like I said, saying, they
didn't want me throwing nothing pertaining to wrap entertainment that
I could make money off of.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
And I'm.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
So how you're supposed to live, how you're supposed to survive.
We lost them, Sorry about that, guys of them. And
this is a very interesting conversation. Oh Joe, this is
what I don't get. Okay, you say, hey, bro.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
You can't hang around the people and partake in the
life that landed you. Hear, Okay, cool, let me go back.
I'm gonna go back and get on this music thing. Nah,
you can't do that, you see, that's why the recidivism
rated so high. Yeah, first of all, it's hard to
get hired if you have if you have a.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Resident anyway, Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
So now people don't want to hire you. You're telling
me what I can and can't do. Yeah, I ain't
got no choice. Now you're telling me, so what am
I supposed to do?

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (55:46):
I mean that's that's how it is. I mean, obviously,
once you're once you're a part of the system, and
you leave that system, the system still does everything they
can to control you despite.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Holding whatever you did over your head. I paid my
debt to society. Hit you on your video. We can
hear you, BG, but we can't feel you.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yeah, so that's what I don't get, O, Joe. I mean, bro,
I pay once, I paid my debt to society.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I'm clear.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Yeah, you're supposed where you're supposed to You're supposed to
be clear. Now you're clear depending on who you are.
You know how they operate, you know how that you
know how they operate. They move by a different set
of rules, and there's some people that play by a
completely different set of rules, and you know you know
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
So for sure, O.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Other than that, man, listen, and the fact that we
do come out, you try to do the best you
can with whatever record you have and hoping that you
can get that second chance and grace and whatever it
is that.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
You do if I'm a football player, Oh Joe, Yeah,
and I let's just say I have a slip up
and I do something that I get, I get cent away.
Yeah when I get out, and I'm saying I'm twenty
I'm twenty five. I'm twenty six, right, but nah, you
can't play no football with Yeah. Oh this is small example,
mister Ruggs. Well, wait, we got to beat you back. Okay,

(57:04):
beat you I'm gonna start back over. Tell us about
the documentary. Where can they find it? And what what
is the documentary? What does it entail?

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Man? A documentaries on YouTube.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
It's on my YouTube channel, and you know, it's basically
really walking you through everything that I had went to
through what led up to my incarceration, you know, what
led up to me being silenced, me going back and forth,
the core and really just you know, me telling my
story man, because it's a generation of motherfuckers that don't
even know who I am. I feel like I'm reintroducing

(57:35):
myself to the world, you know what I'm saying. Because
I've was going for so long. I got you know,
my core solid, you know, fan base that grew up
with a motherfucker. But it's like, I'm just you know
what I'm saying, trying to introduce myself to you know,
a whole different demographic, you know what I mean, And
and and these you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
He's eighteen to twenty eight year olds and you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
So you know, I'm just getting something wrong, man, basically,
you know, trying to let them all fethers. Don't don't
let them know they ain't got to be like me, man,
be better than me. Man, you know what I'm saying,
learn from my mistakes.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Man, you know what I'm saying. Like I've been there,
done that, you know.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
I mean, sometimes you you gotta go through it yourself.
You know what I'm saying, moll father, don't be more head.
But that still don't mean you know what I mean.
I ain't gonna tell you right.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Hey, b what be what you think about the state
of hip hop right now?

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Man?

Speaker 5 (58:23):
What's what's ther what what's your thought about the state
of hip hop right now? Boss? Man? Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Man?

Speaker 6 (58:28):
I mean you know I'm I'm I'm a hip hop
fan man in a hip hop head man.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
So you know.

Speaker 6 (58:35):
It, man, I I it's it's definitely different now. It's
it's it's you know what I mean. Like, but I
don't want to sound like the.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Old head, you know what I'm saying, be hating and
all this and all that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
But yeah, it's it's it's really really different, man, Like
I wish you not come up in the era. Well,
originality and and and authenticity you know, created longevity, you know, understanding,
and I don't be getting.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
A lot of that.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
You heard me, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
Like, it's like everybody you know a lot of dudes
be sounding us the same, you know what I'm saying,
and will work for him, might not work for me,
Like we'll work for me, ain't gonna work for you,
you know what I mean. So I should just be
wanting to hit get a little bit more originality, man,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Have you heard have you heard uh Weasy the new
song the Menu album the card Si?

Speaker 6 (59:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm riding to it now. Well
I listen to it one time. I'm giving it a
second go through right now.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I tell you, let me, let me ask you this,
give me your top five rappers and they can be
they can be all New Orleans based. But if you
if somebody saying, you know what, BG, give me your
top five live past the present. They can be all passed,
they can be all present, they can be dead, they
can be alive.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I just want to know who you who you think
are the best five?

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
Tupac scoff Face, Oh uh, Tupot scuff Face, Little Wayne
Soldiers slim and uh and.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Me, Hey, hey, hey, b G. You know listen we
took told by that talked about that little Wayne, right
h Listen that song Maria with y Cleft and yeah
yeah and the beat that the beat that made Fresh

(01:00:37):
Maid for being myself. Man, listen, man, that's that's I.

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
Ain't gonna lie to that, that one he got with
that one he got with Big the Plug.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
I'm stuck on that one, right, I'm stuck on that
one right now. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said,
I gotta listen to because you know Wayne, you know
his word. Please, So this is you know what I'm saying, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Gonna be over your here.

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
It's gonna take you three times to listen to for
the you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Yeah, you gotta, I gotta.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
I got a record on this deluxe album that I'm
about to drop for freedom of speech with me little
wine and bust the rhymes. Man, that ship, that ship,
that ship gonna be Yeah, it's it's. It's one of
the ones. It's it's one of the ones. But yeah,
now I'm on that six right now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Like it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Who you gotta win in the finals? You watch you
you you up on you up on sports?

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I'm putting my money on
o K. See. Man, they blew me up the other night.

Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
You know what I'm saying. I should have took and
did with the points. But I thought I thought. I thought, okay,
se was gonna stand on business. But I'm yeah, I'm
still riding with ok C. Man, I ain't. I ain't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I ain't gonna wear the white flag.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Yeah, hold on, hold on, you got gee? You sure
you shure you're gonna okay? See because I got I
got the pace. You try you try to better or something.
Hey man, listen, hey, I ain't got that old show.
Money gonna be a little friendly bit. You know what
I meant, little friend.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Friend say that hey, bg, he.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Don't pay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Right now, he don't pay, he won't be fitted out
hundred right now?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Oh, let me ask you what when you when you
were inside? Did you write it? Did you write anything
when you was inside?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
Man, I got a couple of movies that I'm about
to I'm about to put out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
I got an Urban livel I started on my autobiogle.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Fee Yeah, man, I was yeah, Yeah, I did.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I mean I was going dope with decade. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:02:46):
So, yeah, man, I did a lot of right man,
I got a little material.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Man, let me ask you this, had you not been
sat down for a period of time, would you have
taken time to do what you do if you want
to be outside?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
No, I mean, jail saved my life.

Speaker 6 (01:03:05):
Well, just to be honest with you, man, you heard me,
And I'm just saying like if I wouldn't on whether jail,
I'd probably be dead or in shall the longest sentence,
you know what I'm saying. Like, so you know, I
don't think I needed that much, you know what I mean?
Like you know what I'm saying, Like I probably could
have learned my le You could have been home, and

(01:03:25):
you feel like I probably would have learned my letters
and about five ships.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
But you yeah, man, it's saved my life.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
I could be honest with myself about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Well, the boy put two pennies on the dimes. They're
gonna pull that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Nah for real, for real, for real.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
So your family, I obviously had to take a toll
on your family because nobody wants to see a family member.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
How did that make you feel?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Because you know the family see you, but damn, y'all
got to see me like this behind this light, like
like I'm in the zoo. And then I know it's
tough on them when they leave, and I know it's
tough on you when they leave.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
Yeah, and I was it was hall man, Like you know,
I left the streets like my oldest son was eleven
years old, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
My daughter was three, you know what I'm saying. My
other son was five. I come home.

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
I thought of graduating high school, my other son in college,
my other son, you know what I'm saying, Like I
come home the whole man with the bed like tough
I'm saying like I'm talking about, it's it's it's man like.
But you know it's like I had to get to
know them all over again. You know, even do they

(01:04:42):
walk there being down with me, you know what I'm saying,
And you know we jose truth visit and through the
phone and you know, through mail and all that. But yeah,
it definitely wasn't easy, man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
But you know it grew you up. It grow you up.

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
I read that, I've read the I've read the I've
read to them see me. You know what I'm saying
in jail, and you know, have to come visit me
in the grid yard, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I told him, I totally I totally get that. So man,
glad to have you home. Best of luck on the documentary, guys,
go check the album out. Freedom of Speech, BG's First
Thing is his first album since being out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
He got a documentary, he says, he got a novel.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
He got an autobiography coming out, detailing his life, what
led him to where let him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
And how he turned his life around. He said, he
ain't going back.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
I'm done, you know what I mean, I'm done that ship.
Oh a bird. Man told me to send y'all his
love too. Man, you heard me. I hollered at him
for I came home, man, he said, Man, let him know. Man,
send my love. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
I appreciate that, man, Thank you very much. All the best.
Congratulational being home. Hey, good luck on the documentary. Good
luck on the autobiography. We're gonna ohe you're not gonna
check that album out, check.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
It out, man, Thank y'all. Brother love love love all right, yo.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Man, that's that's tough for yo. Yeah, that's tough, man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I mean to go with like I said, you go
away and you got kids and you got to relearn
them all over again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
On your time is the one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Time is the one thing that you can't It's the
most precious commodity that we have because it does my
thought is what you cannot make up. Yeah, and once
it's gone, it's never to be recaptured, you know. He said,
I got it. I had a thirteen year old when
I went in, I had a five. I had a
three year old. Yeah, bro, we donet half half their life.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Everybody grown.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Now they got to relearn him. He has to relearn them, man.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Yeah, that's that's that's crazy. Listen, I'm glad that everybody
don't get a second chance. No, no, I'm glad he's
been afforded. It's been afforded a second chance. He's been
hive and grace and then the good thing about it,
some people go in and take their head right back
because they ain't learning less than the first time. But
you listen to him talk, you could tell his sharp
now his mine different. His man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
About three weeks ago on my podcast, he like Shannon,
I knew he like, once I get out, he said.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I know I wasn't going back.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, because I knew I wasn't going back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Yeah, but I've had homebus and Noah, sharp, man, i
ain't going back in hell.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Three months later, they're right back in there. You're right back,
they're right back. Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Sometimes it only take it. It takes for it takes
for him to sit you down one time long enough, man,
you can't get that time back, man, man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Nah, and all the stuff the free you talk about bad,
I hate you ain't got nothing in there. They tell
you what time to get up, what time to go
to bed, where to go, when to go, how to go,
what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
When you get there.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Oh Joe, Adam Sandler will cast Deack Henry in a
movie if if he runs for another two thousand yards.
Adam Sandler sent Henry a message saying, two thousand yards
plus this year not only gets you in a movie,
but I'll have a nice dinner together and talk about
dan Patrick facial era and how hard it is for

(01:08:20):
him to grow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I love you. Keep it up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Henry one of nine players to ever produce a two
thousand yard rush season. He did it in twenty twenty.
If he eclipses two thousand yards and twenty twenty five,
he'll become the first player ever to record two two
thousand yard seasons and could earn a cameo in a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah. I mean that, they don't need to be no cameo.
I need you. I need to have it about ten
minutes in the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
You need the whole thing. You need to be the manustraction.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
At least ten minutes. Oh Joe, you got to think
about the NFL. The NFL is one hundred and six
hundred and seven years old. Yeah, nobody has ever done
two thousand twice? Right, Yeah, man, I need I need
about ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, listen, he's in the right
situation to do it. He's sure it's to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
You know over there with Lamar brother Babman Brother Brothers
the Flowers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Listen, he'd got two thousand and didn't listen to me
early instead of put him in that offset eye.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
And put him h yeah, yea yeah, yeah. Well listen,
they know now, they.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Know nine told him man a man, shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
You don't know what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
You put the man in the eye.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah, he's an eye back yeah, yeah, because he did.
Oh Joe. The thing is he needs to get ahead
of steam. He ain't want him quick back to jump
stop like sake on Jamire Gibbs can run out, can
run out of the offset.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Montgomery could do that too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's not but that's not him. He's
an old school he's a he's an Emmitt Smith. He's
a Bo Jackson, a herschel Walker. He's an Eric Dickerson.
He's that guy what his heels at nine tossing the ball? Yeah,
land the ball, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
They bull jotted around the first three games. He bully
had two thousand, could have had it. Yeah, you know
what he might hit it. You got to realize that
was his first season. Man, mm hmmm, that was his
first season in offense. So now he's already activated. He
knows the plays, you know. They they understand what he

(01:10:25):
can and can't do. They understand their strengths.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
And I'm crazy for even saying they understand his weaknesses
as well, and what not to do with him. Man,
ain't no telling what he's gonna run for them. Yeah,
the volume