Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, Iso, & Jermaine O’neal react to Thunder evening the series 1-1!

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Iso Joe, and Jermaine O’neal react to the Oklahoma City Thunder beating the Indiana Pacers to tie the series 1-1, the New York Knicks are looking to make a momumental run for Giannis this offseason and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume and hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for
joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch

(00:21):
the OKC Thunder even the series up one one with
a one twenty three one oh seventh victory over the
Indiana Pacers that got back on the winning track. Now
they're gonna go back go to Indiana on Tuesday and
see if they can snatch home court back. Thank you
for joining us. Y'all know me, I am your favorite UNC.
It's Wednesday Wednesday, my bad Wednesday Wednesday. I am your

(00:43):
favorite AUNC Shanna Sharp, my partner and co host member
of the Nightcap team, Liberty City's own Benga Ring of
Fame honoree Pro Bowler, All Pro Chad o Cho Senko Johnson,
our third member of the Big Three, joined us during
the basketball season. Now he's doing an excellent job begging

(01:03):
about bringing this man off for football.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
He knows so much about football.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You know, all things are no good time now, argusas
David University of Arkansas love I saw Joe Joe Johnson
and joining us to break down tonight's game. He's a
former member of the Indiana Pacers. He's a seven. He's
a six time All Star, three time All NBA selection

(01:27):
from Old Claire High School out of Columbia, South Carolina
area is Jermaine O'Neill.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Let's get right into it.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Ok See, they won the most games in the regular
season really with the exception of the Nuggets. They kind
of breezed through the playoffs. We knew they were gonna
bounce back, and they did this in convincing fashion. Joe,
I'm gonna start with you, then I'm gonna kick it
to you. Jamaine, what did you like about what you
saw from OKC tonight? I thought OKAC was, you know,
relentless and their approach knowing that you know, there's no

(01:57):
way they can go back there, they can go to
Indiana down two. You know, I thought they came out
played with a sense of desperation and they kind of continued,
you know, pretty pretty much throughout the entire game. And
for me, you know, I think when when you watch
this final, especially knowing what what OKC have done, you know,
pretty much throughout the whole season, which has been the
best team. I thought they put their stamp on the

(02:18):
game to day and they never took their foot off
the gas.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I thought they were great yeah, they jail for me.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I thought they did a lot of the same things
they did in the first game. I think defensively, we
see what they are. They make every possession tough. You
got to really earn it. Uh. They you know, they
kept for the most part, they kept the Pacers out
of that transition offense. And you know, when you look
at game one versus tonight, you know, every time the
Pacers try to make a run, they responded by getting stops,

(02:45):
they responded by getting a score. So I thought that
was the difference because getting Game one, it was only
the Pacers only led one possession, right, and that was
the end of the game, right, And so they did
a really good job defensively of controlling tempo and controlling
the outcoming the game.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Ojo Yeah, I mean, I'm piggyback off of what Jo
Jao said obviously that the Thunders. The Thunders pressure defensively
is relieved. They had ten steals. They hear Halliburton's hell,
you only had five assists. The Pacers really couldn't find
any type of rhythm and they couldn't get into any
any early any early offense. The Thunder played, and but

(03:24):
the sense of desperation and understanding that we can't go
down oh two and oh ship. That's just back just
about what happened.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Baby Indiana thought they could play the same way they
played the first game, and when this ball game they
will sloppy. The first three quarters of the ball game.
If you look at the turnovers, Halliburton had six assists.
He had five turnovers. So you know it's going to
be a hard because Halliburton is not a turnover guy.
It's many assists, Jail and and and and and Joey's
you know, O Joe. You know he's a guy who's

(03:54):
had fifteen assistant no turnovers. He's had nineteen assistant no turnovers,
twenty assistant one turnover. So you see him have six
assists and five turnovers. That lets you know they're struggling
to get into their offensive sets. They did a great job. Okay,
see this game they got on the glass. Remember we
talked about Joe, how many second chance points they allowed

(04:14):
any out of the get not this game. They beat
him on They beat him on the offensive end. They
beat him in the rebounding stats. Shay was a lot
more efficient level of twenty one. The other game he
had thirty eight, but he took him thirty shots. Tonight
he had thirty four on twenty one shots. Chad Hongeren
decided to come to the party. He was invited to
Game one. He decided not to show up till late,

(04:35):
and it wasn't enough.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Pacers. Look, I hope the Paces.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Don't think, oh, we got what We're good going home,
because okay, see is a very good road team. They
are a very good road team. There's a reason why
they won the most games. There's a reason why they
have the MVP. They have an all they have another
player than Jayalen Williams who's an All the NBA defensive
player and All NBA. So, guys, I don't know. I

(05:03):
look and you can see the frustration on coach Carlile's face.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, hey Jo.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
He used like three tirebouts in the matter five minutes
because he felt the game starting to slip away from him.
Me like, no, I gotta I gotta quell some of
his momentum and he wasn't able to do it. Give
the Thunder credit tonight because I thought they played it
really well. And it's not so much what the Pacers
didn't do is what Okay, did do okay see? Did
do okay? See forced them to play this style of

(05:29):
a ball game? I thought, I thought, okay, see, you know,
played great in the first game as far as defensively,
but tonight, you know, they pretty much had control defensively,
keeping guys out the paint, making it tough for him.
And I'm curious to hear what Jayo got to say
man about Hallen Burton, especially you know early in the game. Jao.

(05:49):
For me, you know, when I watched it, I knew
in the fourth quarter he was going to try to
sert himself a little bit and try to, you know,
get him back in the game. But I think he's
so passive, you know, to start the game, and it
kind of it gets him out of rhythm, and I
think it takes away from you know, what he does.
I know he's a great pass a great facilitator, but
this is the biggest stage. I think, you know, he

(06:11):
has to come out and give him something, you know,
because for me, it's like, oh, Joe, when he when
he catched the ball, he come up to pick and roll,
he's not even looking at the basket.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, he's looking the past. He looking he look at
the pass.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
He's looking where his next pass is going to be,
versus putting pressure on the rim and trying to make
a play. And I just think, you know, obviously I
think he'll play a lot better when they go home.
But for me, I'm kids to hear what Jayo got
to say about that. Yeah, and you didn't nobody. I
think the one thing with Terre's Halliburton is you know,
when you look at the last game, right, he got

(06:43):
bailed out because he hit the shot, right, he.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Only had he finished in fourteen, right, and he looking.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
In tonight again, you know, he inserted itself late in
the fourth, but they were down twenty.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Look at the rest of their roster. They had seven
double figure scores today. Right.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's the difference between you know the Pacers really really
you know, staying in the game and really have an
opportunity to win. It's him, right, Yeah, go back to
the Knick series when he had the triple double. I
actually talked to him right before you know, tip off,
and he said he was about to get after it.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
He saw it in his eyes from day one.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
When he could penetrate, touch the paint, he create opportunities,
He opens up his opportunities and he's aggressive.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I do not and Joe, you know, you know, does
very well.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
You're playing a dangerous game when you're trying to wait
into the fourth to help your team, right, You're not
going to continue to make those shots, right, and then
you gotta at least give you your team a chance
to have an opportunity to make to be in the game,
you know, come fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
And you know he didn't do a very good job
of that today.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
And obviously you know, okay, see, you know had had
you know, answers with Aaron Wiggins had huge games and
eighteen and Caruso had twenty.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Right, you know, the stars got to be stars. We
all know that in every league. And if you can't
be a start and you your team is you know,
dulnerable to lose a game, and tonight they did.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
It's it's kind of funny though, honestly, when you think
about it, Holly Burton in the first game, his approach
to the game the first game was the same way.
He was very passive, you know, allowed the rest of
his team to get their shots here and allowed them
to be in rhythm and that kept them in the game.
Unto those final moments and then he decided, you know what,
all right, I'm going to take over and take this
last shot. Yeah, just in the day's game, he tried

(08:23):
that same approach, but it didn't work because they were down.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
They were down to damn.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
And I will say this O Joe one thing about
and I think people it's this crazy thing where he's
learning to be a star.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know when people say superstars, superstars are already they
already know how to carry a team. I think he's
he's a starter, is learning to try to be a
superstar as pass first point guard. Right, so you know
that team needs him to be high motive from start
to finish. If he can't do that, then I don't
think they can beat the whole case. You thunder he's
not aggressive, right, hey hey hey, oh and they kind

(08:57):
of piggyback on Aunks say, uh, I think, oh, you
got to give okay see credit because they play a
great defense.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
See they able to keep.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Hallenburg out of the paint. Now a lot of times
when he get in the paint, he's not necessarily scoring.
He's kicking it out, firing out for threes. And they
wasn't getting them easy. They wasn't getting them easy three tonight.
You know, I know they made some, but for the
most part, I thought, okay, see, he's done a great
job of keeping guys in front, making it tough on
them and not giving them the easy penetration to where
they got the libs or the layups or you know,

(09:25):
just wide open threes.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
So you got to give ok okay see some credit.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
When you drive, when you drive the lane against the thunder,
you better keep you out on your luggage man, because.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
They go into your pocket. They going into your pockets, jail.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
I mean you see Halliburton, he like he, oh, I
got me a layup and Shane's said, no, you don't.
And you think you got a layup and lou Dorr said, no,
you don't, Caruso. They dig it in your pocket. And
so you basically if you got something in your back pocket,
you got this ball behind you? Oh this get did
they dig it out? You got better be like a
New York on the subway. You better keep everything in
your front pocket. Hey, but cause if you don't, and look,

(10:01):
you should surprise us. Though they've been what the best
defensive team pretty much the se So when I see
them playing great defense, like this, It doesn't surprise me.
This is kind of actually what I expect. Yeah, yes,
And the thing and the thing I thought. The thing
what they did tonight is that they hit those shots.
Remember they got out to that they had a fourteen
point lead in the fourth quarter, but they kept their

(10:22):
foot on the gas. They didn't let up even when
Indiana went on that ten oh run. It's like, guess what,
they follow them back. They come right back and going
to nine or running themselves there and bill a Lee
right back to where it was.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
So I just and I agree with you guys.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think Tyre's Halliburton is gonna have to be aggressive
and guys are gonna have to hit open shots. I
thought past Gal was a little a little tenanty tonight.
Three of eleven. That's not a whole lot of shots.
I mean, look at all the guys that had as
many shots as he had. Nie Smith had more shots,
or obviously Halliburton had more shots. My Alturner had more shots.
They didn't shoot the three ball well, but they allowed

(10:57):
uh okay see to shoot forty nine sent from the floor.
They shot thirty thirty nine percent from the three. You
let them shoot thirty three free throws. Okay see, they're
a good free throw shooting team, Jail and guys, it's
gonna be hard to beat them when you let them
shoot that many free throws. You let them shoot that
percentage from the from the field and from the three
point line. Unless you play excellent ball. You get Halliburton

(11:19):
doing what he normally does. It's heroics, Pascal doing what
he normally does, and Nie Smith and them hard.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
You're not beating you.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Let okay see shoot forty nine percent from the floor,
shoot thirty three free throws. It's gonna be hard for
you to beat them because they play really really good
defense and they normally don't let you shoot in the
high forties.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
So they got the work cutout for them.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I hope they don't think like I said, okay see,
was one of the better road teams. Yeah, we know
what they are at home because of that crowd. But
you don't win sixty eight games, but just by winning
forty one at home?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Right, No, Right, And I think I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think, you know, I gotta I still got to
give up, you know, give the pacers and keep finding
a way, you know, And this is to me, it
goes back to the coaching, right, they hasn't They always
haven't prepared, you know, shout out to Miles Turner, h
Obie Toppings, team Bryant.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Nobody thought that they would hit.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know, come, I think they eight or nine threes,
last name big threes, right, yes, and les Miles Turner.
They have fourteen points, and I think they're doing their
job from a perspective. They just need the you know,
they need Haliburton to really take control of it, set
the temple, get into that pace. They're dangerous when they're
flying up and down that court. I thought they played
a little bit slower than they would like. And honestly, okay,

(12:36):
see has a lot to do with that with them
picking up full and got them you know, you know,
got two all defensive, you know, guys on you know
on the roster. Yeah, you know, if the Pacers can
get home and and get into that pace, Ali Burton
become the machine and make them go.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Uh, I think they have a shot on really, you know,
taking game three.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Hey, look, we remember last time, Joe we talked about
not before you'll let you go, Joe. The last time
we talked about remember the Pacers jail they had three
guys with double dj rebounds and they had another guy
that had nine, so they had fifty two rebounds. In
the first game they had thirty five, So that's minus seventeen.
That all of a sudden, now and they were really

(13:14):
good on the glass getting second chance opportunities. They're gonna
have to do a better job of that. They're gonna
have to do a better job of getting on the
glass getting second chance opportunities because you know, BEI gonna
they did, and they did a poor job of taking
care of basketball this game too. They did a much
better job in Game one. I mean, well, you think
about it, they had twenty five turnovers and they win.

(13:36):
Rick Carlos, like, guys, we don't have fifteen turnovers, but
you had those turnovers when you were down and you
were trying to make your run. And now all of
a sudden, they still a couple of the possessions where
you could have probably it was fourteen, you might have
could have cut in the eight or who knows even
lower than that. But now all of a sudden, the
fourteen goes back to twenty when you could have cut it.
The underdouble figures go ahead, Joey and then you look

(13:56):
you look at I think everything reversed back to Hallenberg
because look look at it. Look at his free throw attempts.
He didn't he didn't know, he didn't get to the
line today. No, that's and that's you know, part of
being aggressive. Man. This is the biggest stage. They need
him to get in that paint and make plays. Whether
it's creating for himself, but he definitely has to create
for others. And I think if the better he plays,

(14:17):
We've seen it throughout this postseason, the more dangerous they
are as a team, the better them other dudes around
him play when he's aggressive and assert himself. So I
look for him to be a lot better in Indiana
And obviously, okay see is a great team on the road.
I still think, you know, when you look at Indiana
still has the edge right now. They want one, and
okay see, they just got to take care of home court.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
But you know, okayc is coming in because the same
thing happened with Denver. Denver stole game one, they ended
up blowing him out in game two and then guess what,
okay see, he came right in in game three. In
Game three and smuck it promo. You don't want you
don't want to, you don't want to see that. You
want to do do everything you possibly can and stop
spotting these teams. Look it's good, jay, Hey we got

(15:00):
that a bit. Man, we could track somebody down. Man,
you don't want to say you don't want to spend
you don't want to spend thirty eight forty minutes trying
to play from behind, because now all of a sudden,
do I still do I have enough to get over
that hump? And tonight, okay, see understood the assignment. They
knew they couldn't go down two and then get on
the road and try to win. And now we've got

(15:22):
to beat them four out of the next five games.
That's asking an awful lot for a team that they
go get two on the road. They're gonna be playing
with a lot of confidence. And that's what Okay, that's
what Indiana normally does. We saw what they did against Cleveland.
They went over there and got those two at home
on the road. They're like, oh, yeah, we're good. Now
we're good. Yeah, And jel think about this, man, and

(15:43):
this is the thing I think that me Indiana a
really good team and this is not me being a homer.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But this is just facts.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right when you look at that their running the playoffs,
they have somebody different or a couple of people different
every game. That's the big, right, That is a hard
thing to defend. And man, they got players across the
board that are ready to help their team win. And
I think that's that's really their their calling card. Obviously,
you have to have ahead of a snake, and we
talked about, you know, the up and ups and downs

(16:11):
of terre'se. Halliburton, but man, you know, we gotta we
gotta commend other boys coming off that bench being ready
and you know and make big shots. Oh yeah, because
look for me, I love TJ McConnell and what he brings.
I love Thomas Bryant coming off. I know Obi Topping
didn't really give him what he gets in the game one.
But you know, Mattherin has been aggressive playing well, So

(16:32):
they gotta play the guys who can really step up
and help them win the game. Yeah, you kind of
need one or two of those guys to explode, and
tonight they just didn't have it. I mean, Pascal played,
he played decent, but three four eleven, you know that's
gonna be tough. They need you know, they need their
big guns to be to be great in order for
them to win on this stage.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Because it's tough.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, yeah, listen, they're gonna they gonna win the next game.
They want win the next game, Wednesday, put something on
it with you who said that that was your Joe?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Where you already.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
But I know I had a burden after after watching
Once they go back watch film, you understand, Okay, you
know what I got, assert myself a little bit more
understanding they're going to be aggressive. Then I'll then be
passed allow my teammates to get into a game. If
I see the game slipping away at any point, you
know you can. You're supposed to be the head coach.
You're supposed to put the points, supposed to understand, like

(17:29):
see the flow of the game and how the game
is going, and knowing when to shart yourself and win
not to It's okay to be passive, but I think
he really wants to get his other players involved because
if they're hitting.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
These shots and then he decides to insert himself and pick.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
And choose win to be aggressive, I think that's what
getting the best chance, and the fact that they're playing
at home despite what the thunder Dead and how many
wins they had.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And being off for a good team playing on the road.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I think they're gonna be alright and they probably gonna
win the series Steer regardless of what we all tonight.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
But you gotta get okay, see credit because you look
at Carusso, you look at Wiggins.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
They got thirty eight points from those guys.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, Caruso couldn't miss a corner. Three Wigives got a
lose ball and drained it and then came right back
down and got it again and boom, drained it again.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
So you get thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
You get thirty eight points from two guys off the
bitch who you look at Matthew Bathroom was four or seven.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
McCallum was five or seven. There was two or three
from the three point line. They gave you twenty five.
But you get two guys that gave you thirty eight
quality thirty eight, and both of those guys played outstanding
defense as well. Go ahead, Jails, I guess the question
that we should look at you. This is a this
is a strange finals, right. Typically you know at this
point you will see the star of Stars.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yes, GA has been been SGA for you know, for
the most more efficient this game.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
But this series gonna come down to me seems like
the other guy role yep, the role players long.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Players, because I mean you haven't you know, you lose
by twenty and it's strange the Pacers lose by I
think almost twenty and they got seven double figure scores.
Yeah right, and then you know, then you have the
Aaron Wiggins, the crusos.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I thought Jayden William Williams is pretty good tonight. He
was a lot better. He had nineteen. He's obviously he's
the starter. But it just like, where's the like, what's
the winning tool to this because.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's like every game, like you know, somebody else is
stepping up big and it's not like the traditional superstars
taking over games. It's gonna be interesting to see these
next these next you know three or the next three games.
They normally there, but paces are a committee team and

(19:46):
that's what makes them so difficult because they don't have
that superstar that you know, that can go, that can
consistently go get you thirty. You pencil a man like
you look at SGA a SGA gonna get thirty a game. Yeah,
you already know that. You play an he's gonna get
you thirty. You play one of these teams that have
one of these superstar players, they're gonna get you that number.
What the Pacers do is that they nickeling down you.

(20:06):
They're gonna have five, six, seven guys in double figure.
They might have one guy with twenty five jail in joke,
and then they're gonna have a bunch of teams seventeen, eighteen, fifteen,
fourteen thirteen. That's where they hurt you at. And guys
normally make timely shots. If you go back and look
at the first game that they stole, they stole from
the Knicks, Nie Smiths came up the bench in his
sixth threes in five minutes. He might not ever get

(20:30):
that hot again, but he was that hot that night.
You look at some of the other games that they've played,
and they've been down just like last. Just like the
first game, guys making shots. So the thing is it,
despare yourself. You gotta stop falling behind by fourteen to
twenty jail. You asked, you asking an awful lot to
contact because as you go further and further the teams

(20:52):
get better and better. You're playing the best team pro
stats wise, record wise in the NBA. In the OKC Thunder,
because Shae was the MVP, they have all defensive player
in lou Dort, they.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Have an All.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
NBA player Jayla Williams to go along with Shae, and
dak Now is a very good coach. So you can't
keep getting for a Well, you saw what we did
against the Knicks. We went down and we beat them. Well,
we know we man, we went down nineteen against the Cows.
That's the The OKC Thunder are entirely different animals.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Eight they are.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
They are tired, entirely different animal I think you know
when your big guns are playing well. And I'm gonna
speak on Shae. He was very effishing tonight, and yeah,
get Caruso and Wiggins who had great games. But man,
when y'all look at Shae, look at the pressure that
he's putting on the defense, you have to send another guy,
which is giving Caruso them wide open threes, or you

(21:47):
running pick and roll and Wiggans wide open on the wing.
I don't know, if you're Indiana, do you trap him?
Try to get the ball out of his hand because
he keeps splitting. I would o Jo and as a
perimeter guy, I want to split the pick and roll
so I have as many options as I can. Versus
if I come off to pick and roll and y'all
trap me and make me give it up to make
some of these other guys make plays. But if I

(22:07):
split the pick and roll and I got four five
options to shoot my float to get to the cup,
or to spray out the three or throw alive to check,
then y'all in the huk a buck. There's no way
you're gonna be able to stop that. So I feel
like they gonna probably have to trap him man and
make him get that thing up so and make these
other guys make plays. I would trap in jail doctor,
y'all let you go after this. I would trap him.

(22:29):
As long as Jayalen Williams is struggling. He's still struggling,
I'm goa trapp him because the only guy that's really
shooting the ball.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Officially, it's really like the night was Caruso and Wiggins.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
But if you go look at chet chat with six
and eleven the first game, he didn't play well. He's
six and eleven, so he's but Jayalenuis was five or fourteen.
He didn't shoot the ball well. The first game you
look at lou Dort one of three, he got Caruso
and Wiggins got most of his minutes tonight, and then
who's the other guy, Wallace.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Wallace got twenty three minutes. He was two or four.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
So yes, as long as Jayla Williams is struggling, I'm
gonna trap it.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I'm gonna make him give it up. But it is
a dangerous thing.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
If you do, though, you better be right because at
the way and uh that these guys are shooting threes, man,
you will pay the ultimate price, you know, trapping. If
you're not getting to that rotation fast enough, you're gonna
be burnt. And the thing that really when watching this game,
and I can't remember this many corner three has been
given up. Man, I've seen corner three is the easiest

(23:29):
three on the basketball George distance right, the shortest distance,
and it is corner threes galore right, you know, on
the floor, and it's just strange. So I think that's
probably the reason why they aren't aren't trapping because everybody's
shooting the three.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
But you know, you just gotta be right.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
You got to make sure that if you're gonna trap,
you gotta get those rotations down. But if you look
at it, guys, Caruso and Wiggins, they're not of eighteen
from the three. The rest of the guys was five
of eighteen. So I'm gonna take my chances. I'm look
at some point in time, Jail, you gotta give up something,
Oh Joe, you know this. If you take something away,

(24:05):
you gotta give up something. And let's see if they
can consistently do that. Because this is a big stage.
This is not a regular season game. You're not playing Orlando,
you're not playing Sacramento. You're playing the NBA Finals. You
have the whole NBA world undivided attention on you. I'm
gonna see if somebody chant was one of three. Jalen
Williams was one of five, Shae was one of four,
Lou Darrt one of three, Wallace was all two. So

(24:27):
when you go back and look at it, with the
exception of Caruso on Wiggins, everybody else was horrible shooting
even three point shot. I'm gonna make you. I'm my
adjustment is I see Shae. Shae's averaging thirty six points
of damn game. Nobody let me take that back. He's
average thirty seven of the game. I got it. I
gotta do something. I gotta do something, jail, because he
thrown be aggressive because if the worst come to worst,

(24:50):
he'll throw caution to the win and says, I don't
give a damn about efficiency. I'm gonna get these shots
up and I'm gonna make you file me. I mean,
but I guarantee they didn't think Wiggins will go for
eighteen and cruisers and go for twenty, And I thought, no.
I mean, I get what you're saying about trapping him
and trying to make somebody else beat him. First of all,
I think it's he's too crafted. They those like they

(25:12):
was trying to hard hedge a couple of times with him,
he was. They were splitting the defense and doing those things.
So he's a very difficult trap and very difficult contained.
But again, when you go for thirty eight between two people,
that that's uncounted for right. I can guarantee that wasn't
any game playing that Crusoe Wiggins would have won for
thirty eight. So you know he's Damn if you do,

(25:34):
Damn if you don't.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I guess all right, Hey, look I.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Agree with Jo And to my point, when you look
at Shade, you know he goes and when he when
he when he brings the ball up on the wing
and he goes into that magic justin back down and
he get into that back down. That's hard to stop
for any of them, dude, So they have to send
another guy, which is why they're able to give up
these corner threes. And you see guys like Wiggins and

(25:59):
Caruso having great nights. It's because of the success of
Shake Gilgris, who is you know, putting a lot of
pressure on the defense because if you don't come double,
he's gonna get a foul or he's gonna score it.
It's just paid point blank, what a problem that you
have it? Hey, go ahead, o't Joe.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Now, I was gonna say, I think he got you
got too many tools in the tool about.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Regardless of what the game plan is when it comes
to playing Shade, you might want to just say, you
know what he gonna get here, nobody what to do.
Sometimes you go into go to a game unk and
you know you have a studdin receiver. You say, you
know what, we're gonna stop him, but you know you
can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him
and hope he misses the plots. They just have focus
on the other four folks, on the other four, allowing
them not to get in rhythm, allow them not to

(26:41):
get their shots if they do, allow him to get
their shots in rhythm, allowed to be minimal, and then
spurts and that that's that's really the only way, because
that god.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Damn Shay gonna get whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Whether you're trapping, whether iso, whether you pick him up
from half court, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
He gonna get his. But if you can contain the
other four and manage them, then you what, that's the
problem that you ran into.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
You let Shakee get thirty four and then you let
the other guys go get thirty eight jail, So you've
done nothing.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
You can't I see if you got.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
If you if you take the shade and you say,
you know what, shade, you gonna get twenty to twenty
four and those other guys go get thirty eight, I
can live with that. I can't let the man get
above his average and still give up that.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Couse.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
If I give Jordan, if I let Jordan get his forty,
and I let Steve, if I let Paxston go get
eighteen or Steve Kerr go get fifteen, what am I done? Now?
I'm really at his mercy because Jordan. Now I'm worried
about Jordan going off, and now I got these other
guys just just just shooting not me. Hey, I agree,
I agree, But I think I think you gotta mix

(27:43):
it up with him.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Oh no, I'm not giving him steady die.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think the thing is they get they let one
guy guard him too long, then let them play too
much one on one jail Damn. That's what I'm saying.
Like they got him in this little soft catch, and
it's like, man, he coming off, he got him, He
got him at at his wheel. Like I think sometimes
you kind of you gotta go on though a couple
of times, maybe a couple of times, you gotta give him,
mix it up, give him different looks to make him
second guess when he's coming off them picking up out

(28:08):
because if you don't, he gonna figure you out. And
once he figured you out, it's a wrap.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I think that in the big sometimes are too low
even if they're up, Yeah, way too low with the guy,
that crafty man. He and he is even though they're
picking him up full court because they're doing you know,
they're doing a really good job on picking them up
full court. Yeah, they trying to wear a bath and
he's just he's switching gears. Man. It's it's almost it's
magical to watch him, you know, watch him play like that.
And again, I just think that the way this game

(28:35):
is being played right now, you just can't allow. And
I agree with you on you cannot everybody, I mean,
get everybody, can't you know, they can't get everything. They
can't get the bitch going off, They can't get SGA
going off thirty plus.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
But I know that's why it seems like this. It's
a strange finals, to be honest, you robber.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
You look at Oho. If somebody come with you the
Jewish store, what we gonna eight? Are we predicted to
die in the watches or were worried about or we
worried about your necklaces and the bracelet we got. Hey,
we're gonna pick two things that we ay, the diamonds
and the watchers. Hey we got that. If they take
them braceles. They take the necklaces, the hell with it,
But we got a hold fanst on the diamonds. Then
they let Shade go get thirty four. They let two

(29:17):
guys come off the bitch gone them eighteen from the three.
They like Shade like okay. And the thing is is
that when the big when he put him in the
pick and roll, they saw far so far back trying
to head you catch it.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Now he even with him, that's a file. You followed him.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
He's going to the basket. He's not once he gets
even with that big, he's not looking to pass that ball. Guys,
he's looking he put pressure on the rim and you
gonna file it.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, it's really that simple. I agree. I agree, a
lot of tough fakes getting into that.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yes, hey, I'll tell you what them diamonds better being
sure because they can have it. I'm getting out the way.
They I'm getting out the way. Listen. Uh. The pressure
that shape puts on the defense man, it's it's believe.
But like I say, guys, I think you got to
mix up these defensive coverages, man, because he looks extra
comfortable out there. And yes, I know they picking him

(30:09):
up for a court like they did Brunton and kind
of wear trying to wear him down, and they probably
hoping by game four he's a little tied. But man,
when you look at shape, look at his body type,
and look at his makeup, he is in the elite
shape he got. He's not a lot of these guys
who I had got this very high in body fat.
You know, he looks like a guy who's out who
really takes lean. I'm being honest. Yeah, he's super lean

(30:31):
and for me, he don't look like a guy who's
going to wear down.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, And I say, this is the one thing that
people want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
You. You always hear about all the threes and how
many how many threes people taking? But he is killing
in in the mid in the mid MIDI mid mid
mid post. He is killing. And what that has done,
it that has opened up everything else. You talk about
the Carusos and the Wiggings going for you know, open
jump shots. He's getting in there, he's drawing the entire
defense and he's kicking it to people and there knocking

(30:59):
down shots. Absolutely, he's been efficient from the mid range
game all season long. Hey, hey guys, he's been He's
been one of he's been probably what one of two
or three guys who shot over fifty percent for a
season from the field, like he's been.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
At the guard position, he at average thirty. I mean
he and.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Mike Yeah, I know, I know you think about a guard. Yeah,
a guard that's tough. Jo and scoring thirty. Yeah, that's tough. Now.
I know some of the efficiency has kind of went
out in this postseason, but for the most part, you know,
he's been very consistent and he's been.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
A load to deal with.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
So, uh, whatever they decide to do, they gotta kind
of mix these things up a little bit. I mean,
he shot twelve free throws to night. He was eleven
or twelve from the line, So it lets me know
he understood the assignment meaning coming out being aggressive. Hey listen, guys,
don't worry. I put you all on my back to night.
We are not going to Indiana down O two And
it was fun to watch the night a.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Hey, yeah, you know I was going to say a
peace back and look fit off for the what Joe said,
He's been like this all season, right, you say he
shot throughout the season, Yeah, he shot like yeah, YO
talked about well when you put that ball on the
floor and decide I'm for to get to that mid
range depending on what you want to do.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And he's consistent of doing it over and over.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
So no matter what you throw at him, even if
you say you want to try, even if you say
you want to confuse him to make make shots contested,
then they use Uh. He's a he's a foul merchant.
He's always did the free throw line. But here he
two steps ahead of you. No matter what you want
to do, he's already telling you. Whatever your game play is,
I got something to counter that, and he's showing it.

(32:38):
He's been showing it all season long.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
So if somebody comes out and all they play a
single high safety you're gonna make, you're gonna eat that up.
If somebody come all they're gonna player is cover too.
All they gonna all, they're gonna plays quarters. You've got
to disguise it. You've got to give a guy. If
you give a guy a steady diet of anything, no
matter the medicine you bill of resistance to it, there's.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
A reason why they give you.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Ex Abody says, okay, take take these and do you
wing yourself off it? But if you just give them
steadied out, you will even at the bodies. Whatever the
medicine is, at some point in time, you're gonna have
to fluctuate the doses that you take. So if you
just let nim Hard take him and let him play
one on one, Okay, okay, hey niece, Smith, you got it. Okay, Mathren,

(33:26):
you got it.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Hey. As a matter of fact, when he comes to
the pick and roll, hey, guys, both of y'all popping.
We gotta make him get make him give it up,
especially Hartstein. If Hartenstead, come.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
On, hey, you know what he gonna do to you? Now,
look at everything you just said. It's gonna I can do.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
It's gonna be like a woman at work at the
Bunny Rams Vegas. He gonna run through everything. He gonna
run through it. Whatever you whatever, you.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Sit at him.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
It's like you play Lamar Jackson. You just talked about
all those different coverages. You gotta show him something different.
You play patch the homes. It'll matter what you's showing, mom,
it don't matter. He goes slicing dice because these two
steps ahead, even understanding what's coming.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I gotta I gotta I gotta make him think about something,
because there might be at one time that I throw
to look at him and I get to put my
helmet in the back. Yea, yeah, Hey, there gonna be one.
They're gonna be one thing. Look, we don't like to
chase ghosts, and guys when we played football, we used
to call it chasing ghosts. We're gonna prepare for what
we've seen on tap. Now they're they're big. They'll play

(34:27):
eighty percent of discoverage. They play ten percent of this coverage.
They play five percent of discoverage, three percent. Now, I'm
not gonna prepare for something that we haven't seen. I
ain't chasing ghosts. But this is what I do know.
Shay gonna be the He's gonna take the lion's share
of the shots. He's looking to play one on one.
And if you let him play one on one when
that big is retreating, he gets even with him. He's

(34:47):
not looking to pass, so I don't care. He doesn't
care if somebody does come at that point in time.
How can I get to the rim or how can
I get this shot off? Because like you said, he
will stop you jump, he jumps it to you and
he's looking to get an AM one, So I'm gonna
give him a stick. I'm gonna give it. I got
to change it up. Look, he's the m v P
for a reason, but I got to do something. Well, Ultimately,

(35:09):
this series may come down to really really two people
that they don't talk a lot about. Right, you got
one coach and OKC that said they gonna play they
style play no matter what, Right Rick Carlile, Who's the
king of adjustments?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, Well that mindset from OKC, you know, win of
the finals or will you know Rick Carlile's genius of
being able to adjust when the NBA finals, you know,
for the you know, for the paces.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
To me, that's what's gonna come down to.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
We've seen Rick throughout the playoffs make these you know,
sole adjustments that allow you know, the paces to you know,
to win these series. And I think ultimately that may
be the difference making in this Serianes, Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Hey, look when you look at when you look at
Wallace and you look at Hartenstein, they didn't have great
games offensively, but we talk about the second chance points. Uh,
Wallace was a what plus twelve and the plus Hardenstein
was a plus seventeen. But the second chance points of
Hartenstein tipping the balls out, tipping the balls back out.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
A getting second chance three offensive rebounds.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I think for me, that's kind of like what we
were talking about in game one. You know, coming laid
down the stretch, you're playing that small ball, and this
game it was a lot different. Now. Obviously they had
more control in game two and they didn't let those
runs happen that happened in Game one. But for the
most part, I see, okay, see, they gonna play their way.
They still gonna start with hungreds at the five, and

(36:30):
I guess they gonna see what comes from that. Obviously,
they played a great game to night, so I'm sure
they gonna go with the same lineup start in game three.
Sha follows up his game won thirty eight point Game
one with thirty four to night. It's the most points
ever by a player in his first two career NBA
Finals games. Seventy two Wiggins we mentioned eighteen points in

(36:51):
twenty one minutes. He was five or three from the
three point line. He was plus plus twenty four. He's
leading the Finals in plus minus. So he did what
he Al Caruso twenty points, six to eleven from the field,
four to eight from the three point line, tied for
the most points ever in a playoff game. But look,
Caruso has been here. Remember in the bubble, Remember how
well he played for the Lakers. Lebron loved playing with him.

(37:14):
God guess what they had defensive presidents out there? You
have ad to protect anything. You had KCP that can hound,
you had Caruso that can hound, and say hey we good.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
So you look at what they have defensively. That's what
makes them so good. Jalen Williams can play defense at
an elite level. You got Wiggins, you got Wallace, you
got Dor, you got Caruso, you got Chet and Hartenstein
protecting the rim. They are a very very good team.
And they can rotate multiple times a lot of times.
Got Jail and Joe. You know this. A lot of

(37:49):
tech teams can only rotate one. If they can rotate
multiple times, yeah, I agree. Basically they young, They're still
the youngest team, and so one rotation, two rotation, three rotations,
and they can still get back and know it if
you get them, if you beat them to the whole.
They got Chick put it over, Sam Foot put it
over six to eleven, Heart and stick and test. You look, hey, look,

(38:10):
I agree, I agree a j O. And my thing
is when it comes to Indiana, their rotations were so
late to night, especially getting out to those threes, and
I think it cost them too. It cost them throughout
the whole entire game. And okay, see it's great and
coming out of traps or coming out of double teams
and spreading out to the three, getting to those guys,
they not giving many wide open shots. So you know,

(38:31):
I think Indiana has to They got to get on
their horses when they come out of there, them traps,
when shape posting up and they just leaving guys wide open. Man,
you got two three seconds before a guy even run
out there and try to get a hand up.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, well you know, I think But in the end
of going back home and playing in that building, I
think pace is going to be a deciding factor for them. Yes,
you know, they played with a lot of energy, great
fan based energies crazy inside that building. So I think
them getting back get even on scores, getting the ball
off fast. Thinking about in the in the previous and
the clinching games. Oh yeah, make me Yeah there, God, Pascal,

(39:05):
I mean, that's the fastest I've seen him run, you
know since I've been watching basketball, and I gotta believe
that Pascal Siakame, it's going to be a difference maker.
Oh he has to be a difference maker, you know,
come game three in his own building, right with that
crowd behind him, because the passiveness that he had to
start this game. And I don't know again was the mindset.
Hey we got us one right, and we all know

(39:27):
in sports somebody can roll, they damn ankle or something
can happen, and you.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Know everybody, everybody is an injury a way.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
You got to stay greedy, man, and you got to
take what you can take and not and not expect
that things gonna happen at home because you know, you
never you never know. And so I just believe, like
if they can get back into that pace, that pace
and pace that they play at that which is fast
and aggressive, you know, you know, kicking and you know
and driving that basketball to have a good shot at
winning US.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I like what Okase is doing.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
If you notice, guys, they're getting to the outlets, so
you know how they normally get to have an outlet
right there.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Those guys they're not.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Going all the way back and said, nah, we're gonna
stop these outlet passes because we know what y'all want
to do.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
You want an outlet.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
One pass it outlet and the next thing you know,
you got Hallett Burton euro stepping and laying the ball up.
You got over topping euros stepping and dunking the ball.
So what we're gonna do. We're gonna take away the outlets.
Dribble it up, Hallee, dribble it up in them hard. No,
we're not giving you no quick no quick bunnies. That's
not gonna happen. Weezy had some advice from Hallett ahead
of Game two.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
This is what he tweeted.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
He said, halle you have to sweep these boys to
get some real respect from these folks. Y'all clearly walking
on water and they act like y'all surfing. Hang ten
dude and make him ride you wave or drown. Ain't
that a beach?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Hmmm? I Like?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, look, sometimes you could be a think about it,
you could be a great something and just happened to
be in the wrong era. There's a lot of great
NFL quarterbacks. But if you played in the Manning the
and the Tom Brady era, you ain't gett no credit.
If you played in the joint you were a guard.
What guard? Credit in the Jordan era in the eighties

(41:01):
and that what god other than magic in the eighties
and it wasn't he hit the nine and he wasn't
nobody talking about nobody else but him. That's it. You
look at the and Halle is an unbelievable player. But
when you got Luca and you still got Steph, and
you got Shade, I mean, you got Bruns and doing

(41:22):
his he wrote it's like it's Jao, you know how
it is in there. You played kind of like the
tail end of the big era. I mean, look at
all the big but when Shaq were doing what he
was doing, man, you ate unless you was a Lijah
Won or Robinson, but there was a really quality big.
But you don't get credit because these other guys are
playing so well. Steph Curry, James Harden is still in

(41:44):
the league. Steph Curry is still in the league. You
got Luca still in the league. So it's gonna be
hard or I think for Halle to get the credit
that he deserves. Even if he wins, I still believe
it's gonna be hard for people to look at him
as like I still would take.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Luke over him. I will still take Steph. I will
still take the X, Y, Z and T.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Well. The only reason why that is right, and we
talk about you know you heard this overrated stuff, right,
A lot of it is is the big game than
the disappearance. Yes, that is the only reason. Now we
having a whole other conversation. Is he come out tonight
and he has twenty plus yo, twenty twenty plus points.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
That was that really mattered? Right? If you look in
the fourth quarter of the twelve that he's scored in
the fourth quarter through again over empty calories.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Right, I think from a respect, I do believe he
is learning, right because if you look at his body
expressions on the bench, right, he's welcome to himself. Right,
you gotta go through that experience, right of people gonna
take Luca, they're gonna take Steph because they're gonna give
you those those twenty thirty forties.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
On every night. Yeah, he's trying to really, it's almost
like he's trying to find himself without deteriorating who he
truly is, which is it past first point guard? And
so we gotta get a give a little bit of grace.
I just need him to be more aggressive to start
and let the cars fall as they may as the
game progress.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
You know who was the past first point guard, Magic
Johnson until he got his ass in the NBA Finals
against You're filling up your seventy six ers and he
went forty two fifteen, Excelf. You say, the hell with
that pass? He says, And sometimes that's what you have
to do. I mean, you know, Lebron is really a path.
But at some point time, at some point, you gotta
faure you know what that hell with this right, I'm

(43:37):
gonna get mind y'all rebound and put it back in
the hole if you can't get it back out.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And I think that's what Halley's gonna have to do.
That's the approach he's gonna have to take. And it's
all on it's all on knowing when he hit that switch.
Magic knew when he hit that switch. Lebron knew when
he hit that switch.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
It's all about Halle understanding when he hit that switch,
especially doing it before before your team goes down fifteen
before your team goes down twenty.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
It seems like he comes out and uh, he looks
for those other guys to kind of get them going. Yes, him,
like he has to understand he is him, you know,
like he has to come out, set the tone, set
the pace in which they want to play, to be aggressive, because,
like you say, they won game one, so they did
kind of seem a little like, Okay, we don't feel

(44:21):
a little faster scene content. Yeah, they seem a little content.
So I expect the different paces team to show.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Up in Game three.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Guys being at home, playing in front of their own
crowd a lot more confidence. These guys will probably play
at a much faster place. They only had what nine
fast break points to night. They ain't gonna get it
for them to win. We know they've been a great
fast break team the entire season. Yeah, it's gonna be
hard to be Okay, see at a half court sent
they got too many, they got too many great defenders,

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they got their hands are too good, Shaye. Look, Shae
had what for force steels the night Shae had.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
For steels the night.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Points. But people you talking about this, they got remember
coming through high school.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
They got the one kid that don't do nothing but
run around with you. He shots.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
They got door out there, boy, door out there. He
is shadow with these boys right now. And I think
people don't talk a lot about him. He's all defensive,
defensive team, first team. Yeah, that is major. When you
can take somebody and say, look, he ain't playing to
night right right, you run around with him, and that
is to me, and that does I feel like that
does have a little bit of an impact on what

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we see with Tyres Halliburton early.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
They're not letting them get a rhythm. They're not letting
him get to his spots. They say, Okay, y'all gonna
play four on four while me and you over here,
you know, run around.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Hey, may I agree?

Speaker 1 (45:40):
I agree with you, And I love lou Dork for
that because his game isn't predicated off making shots or scoring.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
You know, that's the plus if he's giving you that.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
But he's in there strictly to be disruptive, to be
a pass defensively and take out your best player ultimately him,
him and Wallace. That's why they're in the starting lineup.
They not necess saying that now if they explode for
fifteen to twenty points. Okay, we're gonna pat him on
their back. It's gonna be hard to beat them if
they playing like that. But they're both from there for
defensive purposes, and they've been doing their job, especially the

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night yep, this is what Isaiah said. Rick Carliles has
been a coach for the past twenty three years. He
could be the right man to elevate Halliburton's game and
the Pacers to a championship caliber team. Isaiah Thomas said,
you went to an NBA finals, but you didn't win
a championship until you met Phil Jackson.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Zeke told shack tonight.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Kobe Bryant didn't become Kobe until Phil Jackson got there.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Jordan didn't win until Phil Jackson got there.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
You got a coach in this series by the name
of Rick Carlile, sixty five years old, and we saw
him the other night run triple stagger, and none of
these OKC players had seen that before.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Rick Carlile is bringing some old school stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
This is a different style of style of basketball that
OKC ain't used to playing against. Well, you have to
have come out with something else, because I don't know
what he read tonight, but they ate that up. I
don't know what that was, Joe, but okay, see, okay
see was.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Ready for that.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, they had to they I mean they at home,
best team in the league, they lost Game one. They
had no choice but to come out and play desperate
like they did tonight. But I look, I'm not putting
them past the Pacers. Man. They've shown, they've shown up
and proven to me this whole entire postseason that when
you count them out, them boys are gonna bounce back
and they give you a great game. So the Pacers

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are still in control, guys. You know, you just got
to protake a home.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Court, you guys.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
I had a chance to play for Red Carl out
on Indy, right, and so I know the love of
coach he is. I remember being in the huddle sometimes
and he was just after the firking to get the
two horns. The first horn come and he's just sitting
there looking And as soon as he had that first horn,
he starts to draw up sets right that we typically
you know, like in game situations.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Right. And that's the type of coach he is. You know,
he's a savant.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
He's a basketball savann and That's why I'm picking and
willing to put away on the Pacers in game three.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Damn, I'm Yoe. What you're trying to do, Joe?

Speaker 1 (48:06):
What we're doing?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Jail? Little Friendly?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Bet Hey learn? Let me tell y'all something. And it's
kind of conflicted for me because General Parko, my I'm
talking about my best friend, one of my best friends.
He's an assistant coach for the Pacers. So I'm and then
you know, I got some former razorbacks playing for the
thunder South.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Conflicted.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
But if you want to put a little something on
the Jayo, you know, little Friendly, nobody had ever complicted
by money. You notice that, Joe, Hey, you noticed about jail.
Nobody ever complicted by money on Yo. Ain't no conflict,
no conflict at all about that. What you gonna do
about it?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I mean, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Whatever we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
But we both got zel.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
You know what I'm saying. The cashe ain't something. Look,
it ain't gotta beat nothing to make it nervous, Jayo,
just a little light hunted or two. We ain't gotta
act like that.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Now they got damna, They got damna.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Joe. I feel good, about the Pacers, bro, I would
do you yeah, you feel good about them going home
playing in front of their home craw Absolutely. I ain't
gonna lie do too, but I just think I think, Okay, see, man,
they've been great on the road, fellas, they've been great
on they going home gets over that country kitchen, Jay, Oh,
they're gonna get some of you know, neckbone and fine.

(49:15):
Can't fish the wings that maca cheefe? Hey, jay, O
know Jo, you know you can? You do have Some
teams do have a tendency to kind of let their
guards down when they get home. Know, they sleep in
their own bed, you know, they get they relaxed a
little bit. They got you got fifteen twenty people coming
in town because they want to see the finals. So
now you got to entertain and oh no, next thing,

(49:35):
you know, yeah, next thing? You know? Hey, you tied?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
How much? How much? How much? How much NBA Finals
tickets costs? Oh?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Man, listen, I was checking the daycause I will take
my son like second and third rows fifty six hundred
per ticket?

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Hey oh the type of the only the only fifty
six I know is Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
That's about it.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Hey, Hey, by them super Bowl tickets beat they Hey
they head cracking. Now, man, them su bow tickets be
going fifteen, twenty thirty, forty fifty five. Hey, look you
gotta look at the money these dudes making. Now, yeah,
well that's one game, right you talking about what i'd
like to like? The front Road the floor seats was
almost twelve thousand per se. But but jayo, think about

(50:23):
how high you up? How high you in the stadium?
At least at least you could yell something. They can
hear you. You so high, I'm paying four fives and
five six thousand dollars. Ain't nobody hear you? But du next,
don't you just man stop on the damn yelling the
thing man and check this out. Let me do what

(50:43):
y'all think about this. The Knicks are reportedly preparing to
make a tsunami type offer to a Quai Yannis from
the Buck. Y'all who's sports are reporting the New York
uh Nick would receive you honest, Milwaukee would give them.
Called Anthony Towns Tyler Colic Washington's twenty twenty six protected

(51:05):
first round draft pick, two first round pick swaps twenty
six and twenty thirty.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Nah, hell nah dagn enough who how about sue no me?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Who's the second? That ain't even damn brain drop? Listen, holo, holo,
let me read that again, because baby, it's beat jay
I will get you a Joe.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
What y'all thinking about this? Okay?

Speaker 1 (51:26):
The Knicks will get Yannis and in return, Milwaukee would
get called Anthony Towns Tyler Colic Washington's twenty twenty six
protected first round pick, a first round picks and two
pick swaps in twenty six and thirty. That ain't no
so su su nami?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Look, no disrespect, but who was the second? Dude? You said,
I don't even know who that is?

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I don't know hey nah no no no no, no,
no no, I don't know who that is? Jayo, what
what they doing there? Soon? Now? They ain't no sue noami?
But or listen, if the Knicks pull that off, we.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yig, I mean you ain't gonna hap them.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
That's a tough one, man, because right now, any mega
trade you gotta give up, you gotta give up some core,
right yeah, we gotta make sure one of the things
I think is unvalued is the other the other players
right to support system. Right, you start piling out a
way to go get a mega player. Then then you
know you're gonna be in probably the same place or worse.
You know, by the time the mecca players get there.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So I didn't listening to that deal.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I didn't hear anything that will bring value back to Milwaukee, right, No,
So I mean, so you're gonna another word I don't
give you. That's not a tsunami, that's ribaly.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Hey, So let me get this right.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
I'm gonna give you Yanni's and I ain't gonna get
I ain't gonna try to get Michael Bridges.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I'm not gonna try to get o g Anoby.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I ain't gonna try to get none of them, because
you gonna give him a championship. If you give him,
ain't gonna be in the Eastern Conference finals for shure.
Think about it. You think about so. Now you've got
a defensive team with y'all as that can protect you.
Got Josh Hart that can defend O g that can
defend Michel Bridges, that man, stop it. Whoever proposed this trade,

(53:19):
y'all be hey, that's not even a tsunoma.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
That's not even a ripper. That won't But you know
that's not happening.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
That was That was just to create a distraction, you know,
to let you know, so what's going on behind the
scenes can go under the radar.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
That's all that was.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
But I give credit they put hey, we're gonna get
y'all cat. They put the head like cat first, and
I agree with you. I'm like, hold on, Tyler Kolek,
who is he? I protected? No that twenty twenty six.
He needs to be unprotected. Man. Yeah, I don't understand that.
If you're gonna if you're gonna make a trade like that.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Was it the coach or is it the rosteruse it both.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I think the thing is when they want when they
beat the Celtics, now because you get what you call
expectations of jail. Because so now you beat the Celtics,
everybody said, b man, they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna
run through the pacers. And they was supposed to be
in the NBA finals and when it didn't happen, Hey, love, listen,

(54:27):
if the niggas get Yannis man, they can put me ahead. Coach,
I promise you, we're gonna win some games. Hear me,
We're gonna make it. We're gonna make it to these
conference finals for sure. You get Yanni's playing with all
them the other dudes, and you only giving up Cat
and the other dudes you talking about. I'm fine, I
don't even know who that is. But boy, listen, it
ain't gonna take much. I definitely think there are other

(54:49):
teams that have more, could give up more. Hell go
to Houston and ask, Okay, give me Shoan Gooon, give
me Jalen Green, give me two a couple of But
now that's better than Cat and this other cat. I mean,
come on, Jay, get I mean, bro, even swamp ain't
no swindle. I feel you trying to swindle me. Hey listen,

(55:11):
but what about this? What if what if Johannis don't
want to go out west? What if you want to
stay in the East because the East will be a
lot smoother firstus the west. He said he wanted to
what's being reported. He wanted to go somewhere where they
don't have any state taxes. Texas doesn't have state tax,
Florida doesn't have state tax. Hey, there you go. I

(55:32):
think Tennessee doesn't have state tax. You go to New York,
Ohio doesn't have state Ohio have state tax was.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
One of the worst New York and l a to
the worst.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, you're already listen, you already told you where he
wanted to go.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Uncle. You got to do is read between the lines,
that's all. But I mean the.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Question then is, you know you kind of look at
the Lakers right right, the Lakers is they made the
beach you know, make the Beach trade and just you
know Anthony Davis basically for uh Luca. But they're making
so much money between the two, you don't have enough
money to construct the team at you need to write
and so you know the Apron the new tax Apron

(56:14):
deal just kicked in this year.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Oh, your team's a little bit more bootstrap.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
So the question is where wherever Y'allnis goes, wherever he lands,
do they have enough given away whatever you have to
give away to compete for the championship. Absolutely well, if
they're only giving up Cat and Colic, that's who all
your screen. You see the guy that's Tyler Kolik on
the screen right there, that ain't having any coach. Man,

(56:39):
ain't no way y'all just sitting meet Cat and this cat.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
No, I ain't going but Tyler, Tyler nice with it.
Tyler got some game. Oh here he go.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
That man, don't know where that is talent?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
You know you don't o Joe.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
But but Jao, if all you've given up and cat
in this gentlemen that you see on the screen they loaded,
This is a lie.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
There's no way they're doing that, brou They just they
just talking. Brother.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
They try to get some tweets and you know there's
some lights and some refolds. There's no way they do.
Now you have to give up. You go, you gonna
lose o g or Michel Bridges. You're gonna lose one
of them. But then that's that's kind of defeating the purpose.
If you're Jannis right, if I'm going to New York, man,
I at least want to keep one of them, dudes,
if you're gonna get yeah, you keep one of them,
but you ain't keeping both of us. Okay, I can

(57:32):
see that. But you can't take both of them because
now you take our grid and grind away and everything
is left up the Jianna said, and brustling to do
out of dirty work. Hey, you could have one, but
I ain't letting you keep both of them.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
So what what is it? Which one.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Which one you want jail, you want O G H,
you want Michel Bridges, But I'm getting one of them.
I'm getting away with Michel Bridges. Okay, I think O
G O G just does he does a lot more.
I mean, yeah, he does a lot more offensive indefensively.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
But I don't know. Crazy, I like kat, I like him.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Do rethink Janni's and Brunson can play together because Brunson
is a ball They so much alike. They both need
the ball a lot, So I don't know. If you
make that you give, I don't know. I mean it
don't look good because both of them usage Drake, what
is what is brustl usage?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Drake?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
What's Gianni's usage rate? Because both of those got to
have the ball in order for them to function. I
don't think either guy is really good without the ball.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, I agree, is not great without the ball.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
He's he's most effective when you know he has a
ball in his hand coming downhill, whether it's off a
rebound or what have you. But making plays, spreading out
the guys for threes and getting to the basket, putting
pressure on the rim, that's when he's at his best. Yeah,
Jannis was first of usage with thirty five, bruntly with
thirteenth at twenty nine. Yeah, so you got two guys
with high usage. And I don't think what brunting and

(59:00):
and and Yanna. I don't think brunsing is that good
without the ball now he's he's not that great, but
he can play without it. On like he catching shoot
as opposed to Janni's. He's not a catching shoot person
at all. So if you running a pick and roll,
he ain't a shoot person, damn catching the shooting. He
ain't a shoe person. He lay up a layup and
don't type person. Right, So listen, if you running a

(59:22):
pick and roll with Jannison buruntsing, that don't scare me
versus you know, Cat and brunts in because Cat can
picking pop picking pop. So the big Yanna Saint picking
pie poppy ish, Yeah, he ain't. So the big on
always stay low and let Yanna shoot that jumper all
day long.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
All day long. That's why I don't like. I don't like.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I don't like them trading Cat though, because at least
Cat mean, I get it. He doesn't defend as well,
but he's different from anything else that they have, right,
And if He really really looked in the mirror and said, look,
every time I take my ass to that box, I'm
working them right right every time he just works on
the then he just go back out to the three

(01:00:03):
point line and stand on the three point line. If
he really just get to that dominant form, man, he
could be everything to Knicks me obviously adding a couple
more pieces here in there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
But I like I like Cat with the Knicks. I
don't like Gianni's with the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I like Cat to JL, but it's less resistance out
there on the perimeter form versus if he in that paint.
It's just this a doggy dog world. Know, it's great grind,
you know what I mean, it's a lot. They're bumping
the grind down there. He ain't want that, He wouldn't
looking for it. You gotta be you gotta be in
some least shape to be able to, you know, take
that bumping grind night in and night out. And I

(01:00:36):
think that's why he always drifts back out to the
three because, like you say, not, it ain't gonna be
no resistance out there. Like it's you know, guys, he
could just sit out there and just kind of shoot jumpers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
But Joe, let me ask you a question though. I mean,
I'm sitting trying to think who the hell outside of him?
And be the hell down there? Yo, she ain't better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
We're just talking about it ain't about yes, yeah, it ain't.
But like four or five a week, if kat is
Joel embiid uh is yo kic if Shung Goon Rudy Gobert.
But and he ain't really post him, right, he really
knows that, right, bonus or you take some bonus. Yeah,
So to me, it ain't it ain't the it ain't

(01:01:16):
the it ain't the grinding the post. To me, it
got to be his condition and how in shape he is, absolutely,
you know, and I are you know every every night
it is a power for right, you know down there
you spin off one, there's another one there, right they
talking about the two bigs from tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
That was normal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
But so now when I look at it, he typically
when he's playing that post, he's bigger than everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, maybe the exception three or four of the people
in the lead. He got the skills to score down there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
So to me, I think he got in a little
bit better shape, right, to have a little bit more endurance,
he can mix the match out, he wants to play
his game. He'd be a lot better. But you know
it's a hard rockster to see him get up trying
to get him down the court at that age. You
know what is he twenty eight now? Twenty can't probably
that twenty nine, Yeah, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
He looked like he labored. He especially in the Yeah,
ended up and down that floor.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
The volume