Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, Iso Joe, and Gary Payton react to the Pacers going up 2-1 over the Thunder in the NBA Finals

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, Iso Joe Johnson and NBA legend Gary Payton react to the Tyrese Halliburton and Indiana Pacers beating Shai Gilgeous Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder to go up 2-1, Lou Williams compares Shai Gilgeous Alexander to Kobe Bryant, and Kevin Durant had time today on twitter and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, we got us a series.
We got us a series. Indiana one sixteen O KC

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one O seven to one lead with another game in Indy?
Can they possibly go up three to one? Thank you
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please grab yours while supplies last the Pacers. The Pacers
beat the Thunder. The Pacers win the first finals game
and Andy in twenty five years take a two to
one lead with another game in Andy one sixteen to
one oh seven. They did a better job of limiting
shade at the free throw line. You only get to

(02:53):
the line six times, nine of twenty from the floor.
They did a great job on him, but still the
Thunder had three guys with twenty or more points.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
But it was the bench of the Indiana Pacers that
won this game.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Benter Deck Mathern had his best game, twenty seven points,
a career high two or three from the three point line,
seven to eight from the free throw line. TJ McConnell
came in and did what TJ McConnell normally does, and
Obie Topping was flying high. That put back dump really
energized the crowd. Joe, we're gonna start the U and
then we're gonna pass it off the GP. How did

(03:26):
the Pacers win this game?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Man? Oho GP?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
They had that intensity that they needed, you know, especially
from the bench. I thought, okay, see I played them
in that first quarter, but when they made them subs mathering,
TJ McCollum. They came in, rose the energy up to
another level, took it to another level. And you look
at Mattherin the way he played man, just being aggressive offensively,
making plays, just being disruptive defensive. TJ. You know, I

(03:55):
don't know how many steals he got that led to points.
And OKC was just so careless with the basketball. Is
uncharacteristic of them tonight. But we gotta give we gotta
give Indiana credit.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Man.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
They've been doing it all postseason, like we continue to say,
and we continue to count them out, they continue to
keep fighting, and tonight they pretty much, you know, had
control of this basketball pretty much throughout the entire game.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Chijmccamma had five steals tonight. GP.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
You watch watch this game in its entirety, and Indy
out of the team. They go on the road and
every series they won game one, they lost Game two
in ok See. It was really a blowout, but they
came come home. Normally come home, they normally lose game three,
but tonight was different. They got off to a slow
start in the first quarter, they pick it up, get
forty points. They got forty points against the best defensive

(04:45):
team in basketball in the second quarter, and then have
a little lull in the third quarter. They pick it
right back up in the fourth and go get thirty two.
So those combined quarters, the second and the fourth they
get seventy two points. What were they able to do
tonight that calls in, that calls okay see, so much
trouble in this ball game? Well, Shannon, what I really

(05:05):
think is is that what Joe said was that they
picked up their intensity of on defense. I think they
were into a lot of players a lot more. I
think they were into Shaye a lot more. Then Shade
tried to take take it onto his hands and become
one of them players where he wanted to prove that
he can go instead of passing the basketball and getting

(05:27):
it around and getting other players involved. So they picked
up the defense and they did a great job. I
think to me, where they lose basketball games, okay see,
is when they get their out of their means, when
they when they turn the ball over. When they turn
the basketball over, they're not okay see, and then that
takes away from their their defense because their lows get down.

(05:50):
And then what the Indiana did was when they turned
the ball over, they scored. They scored the basketball. When
people turn the ball over and you score, that takes
a lot of ump off of you. Then what they
did was in the third quarter they try to neutralize it.
They go up what five at the end of the third.
But then what do the subs come and do for Indiana?

(06:13):
They come and pick that energy back up. They picked
the energy back up off the turnovers. And then it
takes away from your game when you turn the basketball
over and you scored you cause you would say, I
think off turnover, off of turnovers, what I think they
outscored him by twenty I think Indiana, I've scored them
by almost twenty points, and that hurt them. And then

(06:35):
at the end of the game, if you don't make
free throws to get back in the game, if they
make them free throws, this game becomes closer. And then
when the Indiana comes down and put pressure on them
to score the basketball. But if you don't score, if
you don't hit these free throws, what happens. They come
down there, be comfortable, they still up eight or nine points,

(06:56):
and you lose a basketball game.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
And that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
But you got to give a credit to Indiana for
coming off the bench with their high energy and they
take the game to them.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
They're at home. They took the game to him.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I don't know how Oklahoma's gonna come back, but
I think they're gonna come back strong because they know
that they're gonna have to master your intensity because Indiana
is not gonna come in here and just lay down
right and you look at it. We talked about something
the other night, Guys, we said shape. I said, man,
when you come up that picking will double his ass,
trap him. You see what they did tonight. They trapped
his ass, Joe. They got turnedovers off that they tied

(07:30):
him up, got jumped off. You gotta try something. You
cannot let him play one on one. He's as good
as one on one player as they as they have
in the NBA. And you put that shoulder into him
and get separation. Go ahead, GP. Who do you think? Who?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Who? Who? Who? What team? Joe in you two and
O Joe? When they don't win? What they saw a
player and people do that to him all the time.
What team is that?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
The Golden State Warriors when they get hurt that, yes,
they are not affective basketball team. And I think a
lot of teams got to understand one on one basketball
players when they come up to pick a roll, get
the ball out of their hand and make people who
don't know what they do that's not normal doing that
and handling the basketball and making big time plays, make
them big time for make them make big time plays.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
And Oklahoma only has.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
One guy that can do that inside Shay, and that's
way he's all the other basketball player that.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Can do it. And what did they do.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
They let him score all the toys and they take
Shay out and he goes nine for twenty and they
lose a basketball game off the turnovers. But you know,
I still think Oklahoma should be very really covenant because
you're turning the ball over that many times, it's still
in a basketball game. To win it, your covenant's gotta
be hot. O. Joe looked at We looked at Okay.

(08:45):
See what they did to Indy. Out of the first game,
they turned them over twenty five times, they lost the game.
Indiana found a way to get close in the fourth
and they won it down to stretch.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
We watched the second game.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I think they turned them over seventeen eighteen times and
they won the ball game going away. This game, they
only created fourteen turnovers and he ever did a better
job of taking care of the basketball now and Halliburton
he didn't have his best game handling the ball because
Halliburton doesn't normally turn the ball over. He had two
or three really careless, careless turnovers, like they picked him
back at half court, which he normally doesn't do.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
What what do.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
You think OKC needs to do to make sure they
don't go down three to one going back to OKC,
because look they had three guys with twenty plus points. Again,
Shay was not as efficient this game as he was
the first of the second game.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Remember he was like what level of twenty one?

Speaker 1 (09:35):
The second game he had thirty four to the first
game he was really inefficient, had thirty eight, but you
had Chad Hongren six to fifteen inefficient.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
They Alad shot.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
They shot the ball forty seven percent for the four
They had twenty points from Chad, They got twenty six
from Jalen Williams. They got twenty four from Shape. But
their bitch didn't give up anything. Remember Joe Ojoe GP
the last game their bitch. Remember remember Caruso what they
gave them off the bench, the tide was flipped. You

(10:05):
got twenty seven, You got forty nine points from Indiana's bench.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yoh Joe, what do you see?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
What did you like about what you saw from Indiana?
And what you didn't like from Okay?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
See?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Well, listen, Honestly, you know, I picked the Pacers to
win the series, so I did what I saw from
a Okay, see you like everything I.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Saw from them?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Listen, the Pacers just played to me, to me from
based on my eyes and my little bit of knowledge
of basketball that I've learned to date, the PACs tonight
played the most complete game of the finals. They didn't
wait until they was down. They didn't wait un till
they was down, and such to the side the kick
and gear. Defensively, what they did defensively getting the ball
out of Shade's hands when coming off those picks, coming

(10:44):
off those rolls, and forcing other people to make plays,
I think that was key Defensively, what they were able
to do. The goddamn bench was really the Stars. It
wasn't Halliburton, it wasn't It wasn't them hard. It was
what them boy and did off the bench. They got
damn TJ. McConnell and young brother, I ain't hurt nobody
named Benedict boys in nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
He git me, I ain't gonna a't gonna tell you
he or that.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
But excuse me, excuse me if I put your last
name Benedict, Did I say that right?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Mathron Macrin mac Mastherin, Mathron okay, mathm.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Well, young boy had twenty seven twenty seven. He was
twenty seven poll and woar rebounds, one assayst a block.
Listen he was he was a game score higher. He
had zero phil he had zero fil GP.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Oh but listen.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
This wasn't This wasn't just like a heat checked shooting, right.
This was playoff boys. I like that, letting him play too.
But you know what, I've noticed something about it. I
know something about him.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Have a question. He doesn't get in foul trouble early.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, you noticed if when he gets in foul trouble early,
it takes on his aggressive miss away from him. He's
not the same player GP, Joe and Joe, He's not
the same tonight. He stayed out of foul trouble. He
stayed aggressive from the Carl out put him in the game.
He was aggressive for the entirety of the game.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hey, and when you look at Halliburg, look how he
started the game. I know they didn't win the first quarter,
but he was in that first court he was all
your aggressive. We talked about his aggressiveness and started the game.
He wasn't passing, he was looking for his shot, he
was getting to the cup. He was getting in the
paint calls and having and being disruptive and in the
okay sees defense and making plays and GP.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
You know this.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
When you got a team shooting fifty one percent from
the field, Hell, it's.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Gonna be hard to be then time it's like, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
See, it's like their defense has kind of went into
a like a lapster where they can't get stops. It's
hard for him to get stopped, so it's hard for
them to get out and get points. So if you're
playing in this high scoring game like this, one hundred
and sixteen points for the Pacers, this is the pace
they won't they won't.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
They won't it high scoring.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Like you know what the problem is, Joe, is that
all of their players are aggressive. That's probably it's not
just one guy too, three guys aggressive. It's coming out
being aggressive and against a great defensive team.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
What do you have to do to a great defense team?
Attack them? You attack every time, and all of them
are attacking.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
And then on the other end, they're being aggressive more
and they don't here a lot of them getting three
and four files. Then they here a sub and then
Carlisle sub bring in somebody else and everybody's comfortable. When
you get a team that's comfortable and that can match you,
and this Indiana team can match Oklahoma, they're not gonna

(13:35):
beat them.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
They're not gonna beat them.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
If you let them be comfortable and you don't and
they don't turn the ball over and they make you
turn the ball over and get you out of your game,
they're not gonna beat them, especially at home. They're not
gonna bet the Indiana team that can be more aggressive
and have the energy coming in and making shots and
doing things, they're not gonna be And you look.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
You look at it. They had.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean the guys, the Rick Carlisle is doing a
great job with minutes Siakam thirty two minutes, Nismith's twenty
two minutes, turn of thirty minutes, nim Har thirty three minutes,
Halliburton thirty six minutes, Obi Topping twenty eight minutes, McConnell
fifteen minutes, Mappern twenty two minutes, Shepherd eighteen minutes. You see, hey,
give me everything you got while you out there, and

(14:18):
when you get tired, put your hands up and I'll
put somebody else in the game.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
And yeah, and they don't let up.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
No let up. And like you said, they're being aggressive.
They know it's become very difficult.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Guys. We know, okay see has a great defense.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
You gotta stay out of half court because if you
let those guys because they got tremendous wing defenders, everybody
is scrapping. Everybody got hands. You look at Wallace, you
look at Dork, you look at Caruso, Isaiah, Joe Wiggins.
All those guys can sit in the chair and slide
multiple times. So they're doing a great job trying to
get points in transition, so they can't set up. I

(14:55):
love what I saw. Look, Indiana, everybody has to roll
them off. I mean, they were the over. They were
like one of the biggest favorites, ok see, word to
win the finals that we've had in a very very
long time. And now I say, guess what. We weren't
favored against Milwaukee. We weren't favored against the Cleveland. We
weren't favored against the Knicks, so we weren't So we're

(15:16):
not gonna be favorite.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
So guess what we're.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Gonna have one of the If they weren't to win this,
this would be one of the most improbable runs. And
when you figure they're doing it without a super star player,
when was the last time somebody won the finals without
a super star player?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Wait? Wait, whoa whoa? Hold on? Hold on, they're saying.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
You're saying they don't have a superstar player, but they
don't player that's playing like a superstar and it's having
a historic playoff run.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
No, no, making shots doesn't make you a superstar, jo Ojo,
having Burton is not a superstar. Hold on, Joe, I
agree with that. He's not a superstar. He's a player.
He's a good basketball player, but he's not a superstar.
You might be spright, Ojo. He's playing like a superstar. Okay,

(16:05):
he's playing like that right now. He's stepping up to
the game because I think in my mind he's an
all around complete point guard.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yes, yes, everything happens.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
He thinks getting his players into it first, and then
he does everything and then he has score, you know,
but he has to you know.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
But he's not that that player.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I'm not gonna say go get him and put
him on the team and then I think I can
get forty from him every night. That's not But he
is playing like a superstar right now. I will see that.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Right like that. Think about it.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
We had that conversation before, not long ago. Remember, remember
we talked about superstar. Star was the first thing I say, Listen,
he's a star. He's a star. But the way he's
playing in this playoffs, coming up in clutch moments for
the Pacers, like he's a goddamn superstar. And it's just
based on what I've seen right now, you know them
the piggyback off of GP saying he just started playing

(17:03):
like a superstar in the most opportune moments for the
Pacers and when they win the serious Like I told
you all, what's gonna happen, Joe, I'm just gonna sleek
that in there. Joe, you owe me one hundred dollars two.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I want to listen.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Listen, money money out of Site called the fight.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I don't want to listen. He a gp G.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Listen, so listen the last series. You know, obviously the
next to them win. So I was upset. So Joe
and I we got a little bet. So yeah, on
each game, we got one hundred dollars bet on each game.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, so you don't want to so you have two
hundred and Joe went on.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
So yeah, you up on, honey, right the right, Joe
Joe cash Hally play heroics have earned him a new
nickname in the Basketball Reference. His name now is gp
O Joe and Joe Tyrese. The moment Halliburton, the moment,

(18:06):
like it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Like it.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
In the moment, he'll get what he has to in
the moment, he'll make a big shot.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
At that moment. He might not be playing well at
all time.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, when the omen come and the lights shine on him,
he always performs.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
So I would give him that that that that nick
name that I like it.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I like what Joe, I like what you said that
he would he know, he went to the store and
he was just hey, he just went didn't do nothing. Nah,
tryal some ishje the shirt, Hey, hey how much the shoes?
I be tryal something tonight he came out. He wasn't
looking to just pass the ball of.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
A No you do it?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Hey A Miles Turner, Hey nim Hard No, no, you
you the guy. You see when he's aggressive, when he's
in the twenties and he has a level of sist.
So now he's giving you his twenty. Now you got
a level assist. You know, a couple of those gonna
have to be off threes. So now he's getting everybody
involved and he's involved. They can definitely win this series

(19:11):
if he's going to play like that.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
But we shouldn't have to have like damn had it?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Come on, bro, Why we got to tell you every
other game you need to be aggressive?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
That should be understood.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
The game is so much easier for you guys when
you do what your and I understand GP he's a
pass first point guard.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
He's not. First of all, he's a true point guard.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
We got a lot of guys masquerading, and they're masquerading
his points, but they're really two guards, Russard and Luca.
Those are really twos masquerading your points. Shenny, Shenny in
the NBA, tell me what had what did all the
point guards play? In this NBA right now, the point guards,

(19:52):
what did they play in college? The two guard two? Yes,
eary toward one. And that's why I hate when people
come to my area and talk the ball. Oh he's
one of the greatest point guard.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, you not.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
He's a two masquerading of the point out of my lane.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Man. You when I was playing, man were true point guards?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Man? You know the c mvds are twos. I watched
him in college play the two. They was converted to
a one.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
You know what I'm saying, He is true. It's only
two point guards.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
And he even get right at and that's that's uh,
Chris Paul and him, they're a true point guards look
to pass the ball and get people better and then
they come and do. But Allen Bird, he does, he
does everything. He rebounds the basketball. Yeah, he makes his
sist and then he scores when he hass to You

(20:43):
know what I'm saying, and that that's a point guard
to me, he was a.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Rebound short of a triple double. He was a joe.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
He was a rebound short of a triple double. Twenty
two points a level assists, not rebounds, excuse me, not rebounds.
One rebound short of a triple double.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Joe, that's gp.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'm glad you glad we agree on what we talked
about earlier about Halliburton being a star and not a superstar.
What do you need to see from him? What do
you need to see from him for him to be
a superstar in your eyes? What else does he have
to do? Ently?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
But what team he's on? To me?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
For you to be a superstar nowadays in this era,
and Joe know that, I think you would have to
be You have.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
To be more of a score.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
You have to be more of dominant, you know, And
he's not that type of basketball player.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
So what it is is is that now.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
People have to say you're a superstar because of what
his production is every night. Now he comes and get
a triple double and average a triple double for the year.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now you become a superstar and.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Your team is winging on a consistent basis and doing
the things that.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
You do, then you got to do it. But as Joe, no,
you gotta be down to be a superstar. That's it.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
You gotta They gotta just start saying Rick condition, Yeah,
you gotta get recognition, O Joe, how much money you
paying to go see Halliburton.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I don't do that. I don't do that at GP. Joe,
you gonna tell him.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, but listen, that is true, Oaks, who's coming every night?
Just say I'm gonna pay a thousand and two three
thousand dollars to come see how.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Okay, that's not that's not a Pacers fan.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, a lot of Pacers fans. Because but where you go.
You gotta go to, uh, you gotta go to what thirty?
But you got forty one games on the road, you
gotta go to thirty. You gotta go to thirty some
other six. You gotta go to like twenty nine or whatever.
I mean, team's in to twenty nine, thirtyeen. You gotta
go twenty nine other cities and see who comes and
pay that money. Or he's gonna be the man in Indiana. Yes,

(22:46):
that's where he plays at. He's perfect for them that
he's perfect Indiana And we're not trying to minimize I
like you know what, I like that nickname. That nickname,
the moment is very remarktable. He should run with that. Hey,

(23:08):
I put that on my shoes. I'm put a As
a matter of fact, I'm changing my social media I'm
the moment. You see what did with the truth, See
what Kobe did with Mamba shot.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Hey, don't nobody calls Shaquil shaquillo.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
He shot he the deep well, the big Aristotle, the
big Chamber of decse everything. Hey, look, we gotta we
gotta give any out of their credit. Though, Man, they
they offense is fueled. You know, it's been fueled by
that defense. The way they pick up full court. They've

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done it the whole postseason. They've been disruptive. And I
think that's the most gratifying thing for me when I
watch him play, because even when they down GP, they
still picking up ninety four feet, They picking up ninety
four feet. They gonna weigh you down. They're gonna And
I like the fact that they switched up the covertes today. Life, Man,
get shade the state of guy, make him, make him
think about it, because now when he come off that
pig and roll GP, now he like, Okay, damn, are

(24:07):
they trapping?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Are they gonna get? Are they gonna are they gonna
be in a drop? What they're gonna be?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And so now he's kind of second guessing himself on
how to make his moves and I thought it.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I thought it was turning back.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Hey if he turned his back, Hey, the guy that
he turned his back to go to it. But or
they got four guys that do that, and they're pressuring
and they're what they're doing is they're they're trading off
guard and they and they keeping the keeping pressure on him.
And now what that does to Shay is that he

(24:38):
starts saying, I can't get my game off, can't get
my game off.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
To what he do.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
He started, he started forcing things president to click. He
tried to start to go by he he won't even
give up the ball. If the double come, he'll keeping it.
Then they're start putting their hands in there and sticking
them and and he and he and he turned the
ball of. But the one thing that's killing it the
referees are not calling that. They ain't nothing to play right.

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So that's hurting too because he usually gets them files.
But now I give him that even when he goes
to the bucket and they bumpany they're not calling that.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
And he's taking files.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
He's taking shots and God saying like it's going to
be an ad one. But them balls are just saying
them referees are saying no play this is what we're
gonna do.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's making this.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Game very hard. Right now, we've given okay, see, guys
a lot of credit. I think we need to give
them hard. We need to give Niee Smith, we need
to give Maprick, we need to give Shepherd. We need
to give those guys credit because they're doing, as you said,
they're doing an unbelievable job. Each guy is a little different.
Each guy has a different body type and they're playing
him different ways, so he's not getting used to any

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one person. Knee Smith got in four minute, nim Hard
to take him, and now Maverick comes in, Mathren takes him,
and then a Shepherd comes in. He'll deal with it. Hey,
Hey see y'all. Hey look once again.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
He turns back.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Hey, y'all come because he's not one of these point
guards like a Luca Lebron. That's really that. He goes
to the basket. He's looking to kick out for three.
He's looking to get the ball up to the rim.
So hey come from behind, swat that. How many times
did a Siakam get it down? How many times did
the Miles Turner? So I think we need to give

(26:22):
a rightfully so okay see, we know what they are defensively,
but I think we need to give the Pacers because
they're doing an unbelievable job.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
What twenty points in the.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Third they came up twenty, hold up fifteen, they get
fifteen points in the fourth quarter, twenty eight points in
the second quarter, So that's forty three points over two quarters.
And look at the pacers, man, they had eleven blocks, yes,
eleven blocks. So they lets you know, they contest and everything.
They're very aggressive and they making it tough for okay see, man,

(26:55):
I love to see you guys. This is has This
has been a pretty good series if you ask me,
especially from a defensive standpoint, from what Indiana is trying
to impose their will, feeding off their crowd.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Tonight.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
It looked amazing in there, and you know they was
able to come up come away with the victory. So okay, see,
you gotta get back to the drawing board, man. They
gotta come out with much more energy and be able
to sustain. Hey, look, gp in the fourth quarter, I look,
with four five minutes left, everybody for okay see, was
grabbing their shorts, bent through grabbing their shorts.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
They were dead down tied, and that's what you don't want.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
They gonna pressure you all game and hopefully you die
toward the end. I thought toward the end it was
a tail tale because they started missing free throws. I
was eighteen points. I was Joe eighteen points. Okay, Se
scored eighteen points, not fifteen in the fourth quarter. Go ahead,
jimpie Joe. This is just like a prize fighter. If
you get beat on for twelve and fifteen rounds and

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keep knocking knocking, what are you gonna do? They're gonna
get out And then by the time it comes to
the end of the the end of the game, you're
gonna be get tired and you're gonna food around and
get knocked out. You see what I'm saying. And that's
just the way game bo and that's what Indiana is doing.
And Shan and Shannon you said it. They're just we
gotta give credit really the car Lot because his game plan,

(28:10):
that's doing what he's doing. He's selling them double. He's
telling them come behind and block shots. And then what
he do he started he saw swing. He said, now
you take it. You get ten minutes, you pressure in,
you dog gehime out for three minutes. Now you go
get you for three more minutes. Now you go get
him for three more minutes.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
And what they're doing is like a prize fighter. They're
wearing you down.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
When we used to see frighters, man, if they jabbed
you and jabs were jabs were kept it away, What
did you do?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
You got? They got frustrated.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Bus just start getting frustrated because you getting that hit
all toe up, you know, get this all beat down.
But they doing this is they beating his body down
and he's trying to force things now and it's not working.
They're gonna have to come the game plan where they're
gonna have to kick the ball and the other people
aren't gonna have to produce that's you because they're not

(29:01):
gonna let Shay play the game. He's a NBC, he's
a superstar and he hurts you. Yeah, what what do
I do? I take that type of basketball player out
of the game. And once they do that, they're gonna
win games like this And and Oklahoma City is gonna
have to get a.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Game playing a couple something different for game four. Hey listen.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
And say young GP and uh and uh and Joe, listen,
I think this is the rest of the series. She
is gonna have to pick his spots. He's gonna have
to choose the spots and change his game a little bit.
You know, maybe you can't come out and be as
a curtive as you like to be. You know, you
know you're not gonna give those files, So you got
to pick and choose and spurts when to take those
shots when the drive, when they try to create those files.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
You know, when to get to your admittee when they
put the ball on the floor, when they.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Kick it out.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
If they trap you the way they are trapping you,
maybe you have to your approach to the game in
general has to be completely different and getting everybody else
involved first, and then picking your your shots and your
chances and win, to be assertive and hoping, you know,
you guys can win on the defense end. You know,
maybe you know, getting some easy boxing, easy buckets to
get yourself in rhythm, you know. But outside of that,

(30:13):
I really don't see the Pacers coming up off his
lead the way it is.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
We already up.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
And I told y'all before the series started that the
Pacer was probably going to win this series because the
rest of the world had crowned the Thunder the NBA
champions already, and this is just what I expected to happen.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Oh, So what I think what Shay has to do
is is he has to get rid of the ball
a little sooner.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
But he's got to start moving to get rid.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Of the ball, start cutting on him a little bit
and get easier buckets, because what he wants to do
is he wants an eye sold.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
He wants you one.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
He wants you one on one. If he gets you
one on one, you're done. But now they're doing him. Man,
they understand that, and I go again in the Carlisle.
He understands that this kid is very good one on
one basketball player by yourself, so he doesn't want him
to play by himself.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
A lot of coaches don't feel don't.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Understand that, they let your players just play in this
era's too good.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
But he play like that.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
So he's not let that happen. And he's understanding. And look,
he's getting rewarded with it. He's getting wins and his
players are getting a big lot of confidence.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
And the Oklahoma City has got to win Game four
or this is Oh, I don't seem eating them three
in a row.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
GP. You said something very interesting.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
You say he needs to get some easier baskets like
cut without the basketball.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
But that's not his game. That's Curry's game.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
They're not a whole There are not a whole lot
of guards, They're not a whole lot of players. Because
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do something that i
haven't been doing, and I'm gonna do it in the
biggest game of the biggest games of my life. That's
not what he does. See what makes Steph so hard.
Steph can handle the ball, and he's also great. He's
more dangerous when he does not have the ball. Yeah,

(31:54):
because if you let your guard down for just a second,
a three ball is going up. It is probably gonna
hurt you. See, that's not Shade like you said, Shaye
wants the ball. He wants to play one on one.
He gonna put that chick that showed it in your chest,
create separation and then get the shot off. Well, if
you let him play one on one, you can't stop
that because they're not gonna call him for a charge
because he was moving. He was dislodging Nise Mill, he

(32:17):
was dislodging them hard, so they're not gonna call that.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
But I'm gonna take the ball out of his hands now.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
If he starts moving without the ball, I'll adjust after that,
but I'm not letting him play one on one against
them with nobody. Hey, Hey, TPZ, I'm curious. I'm curious
to hear what you think. What do you think about
the lineup change with Homerids at the five, because you
know Hartenstein, like tonight, he was kind of non existent,
you know, if you ask me, so, what do you

(32:44):
think about the lineup change with them just going with
one big I know they probably don't want Hungris playing
against Pascal Siakam at the four, but I just feel like, defensively, man,
they gotta they gotta clog up the paint a little bit,
you know, be a little more tough down there and
being able to reback, get one shot, rebound, or even
get second chance shots on the offensive then, because I

(33:04):
feel like that's one area that's kind of you You
absolutely right me. I wouldn't switching. I'll keep it hung
at the four and get my big buy in there.
But what I would do, Joe, I would punish uh
Indiana on the other end by trying to go into
him and make it, make it a physical gay and

(33:25):
go without in and out with him. That's why it's
just messing up because they can't match up with them
like that and that hurt them, and that he's got
to he's got to perform. I don't care that mediocre game.
He's got to be big every game. And I don't
think that is what he's doing. He's gotta be big
every game. I wouldn't switch my lineup. I would have

(33:46):
still been with him, getting rebounds, getting things over, being
aggressive and keeping that in and then when they sub,
I would sub with them.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
You know what I'm saying. And that's just the way
I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
And I think that the lineup change wasn't was not
a good one. I would have stayed with my big
men and punished him inside, get rebounds, and keep myself
in the basketball game. And you're right, Joe, that was
a big difference to me. I've seen that, and I
said that's not gonna work because they don't match up
with him very well. Hey, Indiana, getting a lot of

(34:17):
layups guys on the n You know what I think happened, Joe.
I think I thought I think Dag saw what Cleveland Cleveland,
two bigs got blown out. The Knicks played two bigs
and and so he's like, you know what, I'm gonna
make the adjustment because you see with with Mobley and
and and what's the big Allen, Jared Allen, two bigs

(34:38):
they lose for one call Anthony Towns of Mitchell Robinson.
So he's looking, he's thinking that, like, hold on, none
of my guys. First of all, Hartenstein is not an
offensive weapon. So he's only gonna get floaters and possibly
put backs. Hold on, See how come held his own
against cat, He held his own against Evan Mobley. Chill

(34:59):
ain't got that gonna play with the basket. He's gonna
play out there. They can't they can't guard see you
see that's the difference.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
They can't guard him. They're too big for that.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
This big guy, I'll just put him on Turner and
then we'll have it. We'll equalize it the things. Soon
as Turner goes out the game, I do it. Even
with two big men, you still have to attack them
the two. I don't think the Knicks big men are
that good. Only Towns. That's the only way I think.
And then Cleveland, Mobley and Allen didn't have a good

(35:32):
series period, you know what I'm And they started off
hurt from the get when where you know, they were
already hurt. So that was that was just a little different.
I think if Cleveland would have been a little healthier,
they would have been cool and they would have did it.
But with this right here, I think, you don't change
your your style when you've been going with it all year.

(35:53):
You don't change your style. You stick with it and
go and knock people down. And I just think that
they got to equalize you when they sub they suck, Joe,
you know it. You you people when they when they suck,
you gotta gotta do that. And that's just the way
it goes. And I just think Oklahoma is just getting
out played right now. Just there, y'all just gotta understand

(36:17):
they're just getting out played. We can't give giving them
no excuse. They're just getting out.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
Play, you know what, you know, a GP, Joe and Uncle.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Not only are they getting out played, but Oklahoma's office
is making it easier for Indiana.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Too with the turnovers absolute turnovers, you know too.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
And also I forgot, I forgot when I said when
about okay, see having those bigsact down on the court. Obviously, Ship,
I mean, obviously Ship is really no threat defensive he
outside of length and height and then herd and side.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
He's a real protector. He's not a he's not an
own ball defender. Their own ball defenders are the wing players,
and they got a plethora of those. And because Chad
doesn't have enough bricks in his back pocket, he's, y'all
gonna play with his back to the basket.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
See, y'all, come is under no threat at all. He's
Myles Turner. Miles Turner can play Chad Hongreen.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
He can play him on the wing, or he can
play him down low, because he's no threat. Only on
the wing is he a threat. And so Hartenstein is
only looking to get loose balls. He's gonna rebound, he's
gonna give you second chance points. But he's not an offici.
So they're not even worried about him, y'all. So now,
but what you do is that you become smaller. You
don't give yourself, you don't give yourself second chance opportunities.

(37:26):
You don't give yourself a rebounding, you don't give yourself
a defensive prowess, because look, you got enough defense on
if you got lou Dort, you got Jaylen Williams and
Shade Shae was one two and steals. We know what
lou Dort is even all defensive player. We know what
Jayalen Williams is even all defensive player. You got plenty
of defense. Why would you ever do that when you

(37:47):
got you won sixty eight games with that big lineup,
telling you what never and Shanney, you're saying what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I would have never changed my lineup.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I'm not gonna make them change my lineup of what
I've done all year. I won sixty eight games. I
don't care what nobody's say with that lineup. So you
don't do it, And then I don't want to. I
didn't want to say nothing about the light. The light
to ask, but you don't know what I'm saying. I
didn't want to say nothing. Well he's too light, you
know what I'm saying. It ain't gonna work that way, man.

(38:20):
So I'm just saying, y'all, you don't change because I
can't do what you've been doing. Gp O, Choe and Joe.
I can make an adjustment. Once I see what you're doing.
But I'm not gonna adjust before I even get to
the damn game. Damn, I'm making adjustments when I don't
need to. If if if, if, I'm getting killed by
their smaller lineups with that, because he had the problem

(38:43):
is this is what Golden State got a lot of
teams to do. They Oh, I'm taking my bigs off
the court. No, y'all need to keep y'all bigs on
the court and punish them down low, give somebody to
play with their back to the basket and punish Draymond
or punish the punish Clay. But when you try to
go small this and that's what they wanted you to do.
They wanted you to take your big out. And now
Draymond's playing the five. You got iggy, and you got

(39:05):
all those little guys running around. That's not how you play.
And you play how you play, let them play how
you play, and didn't make adjustments accordingly.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Wait wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Shannon Ojo just said about Golden State about you was
trying to adjust.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
What did Minnesota do to.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Minnesota kept their digs and then kill them on that
small lineup and went, Adam. You you you've seen Randall.
He averaged third, you know what I'm saying. And then
they picked the big boy that came from Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Adams. They were killing them. They couldn't get.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
A rebound, you know what I'm saying, And it was bad.
And then Oklahoma said doing the same thing. Right now,
they're getting one and done and they ain't getting no rebounds.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
They're doing anything that's her.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I think, hey, look when you when you look at
the intangibles that Hartenstein brings, like he says, great picks
are coach or yeavy. He was saying he will lay
ward on them game, roll to the basket and get dunk.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, look when he.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Rolled to the basket, even if he ain't got the
little floater, he makes great decisions by spreading out for
threes or hitting hungers for a live dunk or something like. Man,
I just I just feel like they at least need
to even try to go back to it and look,
if it don't work in the first five or seven minutes, Okay,
we got but like you say, we won sixty eight
games off that.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Why are we changing when we're the best team the
whole time? Season. I never understand he Joe GP.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
I hear y'all, uncle, I hear you too.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
But but I think they they made that change in
that lineup something because Hard and Stegn they understand. Listen, Okay,
getting a few boards or getting a few put backs
or getting a few alleys, you know, coming off picks
and rolls and what or not, he's still a liability
on defense.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
He's a liability.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And the way them goddamn paces transition when they do
grabbing boys off the court, they going up and down
and then it's like it's got damn fohone goddamn.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Five and they understand that chability.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
He ain't that much liability now. Turner in the game too.
All he gotta do is run, get down, get down
the flow. Man.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I'm just justing he ain't that much liability. He gotta
get down the flock, like we said, he done played
all year like this, and O Joe, you gotta understand,
it's only seven games left, baby, It's only.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Seven games left. Baby. All you gotta do is go
in there and get busy, and y'all only gotta win, funk,
you know what I'm saying. And that's it.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
You gotta suck it up during this time. Man, to me,
suck it up. You gotta be able to adjust to
everything that's gonna happen. And with this big dude, I
agree with Joe. He brings too much to their table.
He brings much. He brings too much, picks, he brings enough,
getting making making people all two shots. He rolled it

(41:45):
to the basket. And if he doing that and not
stopping it, then who's gonna make adjusting? They are, They're
gonna start making adjustments. You know what I'm saying. Don't
just come in the game and say, oh, man, I
looked the film for two three days. Now I'm gonna
change my lineup? Man?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
What ain't god? Man, I don't get it's one one
O Joe? What's one to one? Man? What are you
not losing? Two?

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Even if you in a panic, to me, when you
change your lineup, that's a panic. Just speak with what
you got and see what happens. And poor he gonna
go back to his lineup.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
No, he's not. No, he's not gp because he me
and Joe talked about this game one.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
He started that Because I was looking at the lineup,
I was like, why is Wallace and say what he
gave he started this game one. He took Hard and
Stein out of the starting lineup and put Wallace in.
Joe and that we talked about this. I was like, Joe,
I just don't understand that I'm gonna make an adjustment
when I need to.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
If my car's.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Running fine, I'm not gonna take it to the shop
and say, hey, man, change the transmission.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
What the car go, Joe, Hey GP, I'm going along good.
I don't need It's not that.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
A is not grinding. I can back up, I can
go forward. Why would I go to the mechanics they
tried to transmission when there's nothing wrong with a perfectly
good car. You won sixty eight games, you got the MVP,
you got one of the top defensive teams in basketball
with the big lineup, and in the most important series
of the OKC under Dagnaw, you make this change.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Now.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Look, it could still work out, but I look, I
would I'm gonna make an adjustment when I need to
make an adjustment. And I don't think they needed to
make an adjustment. I agree, Man, most points scrawled the
bench in an NBA Finals game. Sam Cassell has the
record in nineteen ninety five. In game two, he had
thirty one Downtown Freddie Brown the SuperSonics now the OKC Thunder.

(43:42):
In nineteen seventy eight, Game one, he had thirty Bennadeck
Mathren Pacers twenty twenty five. Game three he had twenty seven,
Jason Terry Dallas Mavericks twenty eleven, Game six, twenty seven,
and Manu Ginobili two thousand and seven, Game four, twenty seven.
So Benedict Mathern had won a game. It's his playoff

(44:03):
career high, and he picked a great time to have it.
And he looked good too. Man, he looked, Damn Joe.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Jump on the bandwagon that Joe, don't do that. Erstanding.
We ain't gonna be talking like this on Friday if okay,
see come back and win.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
You know what I'm saying. So okay, see we we
can sit here and talk all that. It's still two
to one going into game four. Okay, See he has
just just understand that you get a win, and swot
get a win and go back, okay on the home
court advantage, back again to yourself. You know what I'm saying,
and that's what it is. But you gotta you guys understand. Well,

(44:41):
we got to give Indiana all this credit. They did
a great job of winning game game three. That's what
they're supposed to do. They're at home. Now, what the
okase he has to do is just come back. You
guys got are understand two times in his playoffs. Okay,
he has done this.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
They have done this.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
They have lost game one, came back in one game
and lost game three. You know what I'm saying. And
they've been in this situation before. Now you gotta come
into game four and just say, hey, this just win
this game. Shut everybody up, go back home, and we'll
see what happens.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
That's all they got to do.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
If they went and listen, what all they want to
do is go back, go back to ok Ce, tiede
and I got game five in game seven on my
home court.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Joe.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I bet you. I bet you got old Joe Friday
that they beat them along. I'm gonna beat them.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Hold on, you want the best. Something puts up, I'm
beat I bet it. Hey make it light of yourself,
make it light on yourself. Hey, anything goes with me, Okay,
Betty huh.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, my WiFi is just lagged a little bit. Yeah,
you show. I'm sure if you want to, we can
go three. No no, no, no no no.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
I got I got got child. I got child for
doing two weeks so.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I got you. Got a doul't support too. I want
about fifty nine hundred.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
I got you, I got you baby, I got hey
so and listens.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Soon as GP paid me Friday, as soon as Joe
give me my my hundred, that's.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Keep me out of keep me out of this. I've
seen you doing. You see in my cashop. I just
let it sit there for a little while, Little I
got you.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Lou Williams had high praise for s g A today,
saying we're looking at Kobe Bryant being created.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Too soon for the Kobe comparisons. GP. You played with
Kobe at his absolute apex? Are we is?

Speaker 3 (46:47):
This?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Is this a good comparison? Too soon? Nowhere there coch,
It's gonna be one Kobe. That's it. I don't care
what y'all say.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
It's only one Kobe. Yeah, it's just like y'all telling
me either, say, uh, Joe Buckets over there, ain't nobody
like Joe. Joe can get buckets. You know what I'm saying.
Don't y'all compare people to people, especially somebody like like
Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
That's shame shape. Yeah, man, I don't think he Kobe yet,
you know what I'm saying. I don't think he ever
will be Kobe.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
He's a great basketball player, but you guys, slow down,
and it ain't gonna be it ain't gonna be no code,
no more cochek. But it was a different it's a
different beats, you know what I'm saying. So don't don't
compare him to that. And for y'all people to be
even put people's name on other people, that's not for me.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
For me, I can see GP Joe Ojo.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I can see the comparisons when people say style of
play Jordan and Kobe, because the style of play is very,
very similar. When I look at Shaye, I don't see
I don't. I don't see anything that reminded me of Kobe. Honestly,
I'm saying the same thing that that's not that's not
I'm being no, that's not a knock that's not a
knock on shape Because I say he's phenomenal. I think

(48:01):
we all in agree, he's phenomenal. He earned the m
VP this season. But when I watched his game, and
I watched Kobe from day one when the air ball
against Utah in the playoffs, so I watched him his
entire career, I don't see I don't see Kobe.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I don't think oh man, I don't. I don't see that.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh mean, Kobe was a different beast, Shanny. I'm just
selling to y'all, it's a different it's a different beast.
And then we can compare Jordan and Kobe, because Kobe
tried to be like Jordan. Yes, so it's it's it's
it's a little bit different, man. And I hate people
that even try to compare anybody else's game to somebody
you're putting you putting that man name on on greatness,

(48:40):
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
So y'all stopped that. It's no comparison there. I don't
think that.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
That's just like somebody saying and they play like you
and football getting me man, Yeah, out of here, man, y'all,
I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Stupid right now. You know what I'm saying. I like
doing dumb stuff, man, So just slow down, people.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
I think I think most of the time when it
comes to people, you know, even even some of the
elite players, some of those with great knowledge of basketball,
become we become prisoners of the moment. They become prisoners
of the moment seeing something that looks or depicts what.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
We're used to seeing in greatness as Kobe is. You know,
the styles and the smoothness, the butter like style.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
The play is the somewhat similar, you know, being able
to get to your shot, get to your median and
when he rides up, he looked like Kobe a little bit.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
But s g A has his own style. SG has
his own style.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
And even putting that pressure on SGA, even though he's
won MVP and even though he has a toolbox, putting
that person him comparing to Kobe, you shouldn't do that
because Kobe is is.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
He's an iconic figure in his own.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Right, and and the way he approach to the game
is completely, completely, completely different, and he's in the class
of his own where the comparisons shouldn't even be the
greatest SGA when people.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Trying to say out it's like when people say, uh Man,
Lebron ain't Jordan.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
No Lebron game is like Magic.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Absolutely, that's the that's the comparison that you shouldn't make
because both of those guys will pass first. Now, Lebron
is a better score than look than than than than
than than. Magic could rebound the ball better than Magic,
but the way they orchestra, the way they control the
ball game, both would pass first. Now, if you need

(50:29):
me to go give you thirty, I think you know,
I think Lebron is a better score. He could score
the basketball better better than Magic. Magic taught them and
both guys taught themselves out to shoot. Magic had that
little push, that little what had to push GP you
you oh, you know you play, you know what I'm saying.
So he had that little push, that little push one handed,

(50:52):
but it was effective. Magic, big guy six', nine could.
Post magic would look at a you better have, somebody
you better have your, boots phone and be ready to,
play because if you were, Small magic was gonna post your.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Ass Adie, shannon he he knew how to do the hook.
Shot he baby hook that. Everything, see he was a little.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Different and the way what we should say About lebron And,
magic they're both all around basketball, correct they're complete basketball.
Players they do everything you see What i'm. Saying so
that's what when people compare to people and all that. Stuff,
Man now that would be a great. Comparison, yes both of.

(51:32):
Them two are complete basketball. Players they're all around. Player
and then you gotta look At magic was six' nine
and about, two something and then You got lebron six
eight and. Two something so you gotta do you gotta
understand they are. The comparison what? You, do now if
You say lebron.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Look, Like magic i'll, be, like, YEAH yeah i can. See,
that true that's. Really true but we Should say shaye Looked.
Like kobe? Stop it who? Made?

Speaker 5 (51:57):
That who who made?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
That?

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Comparison uh Lou.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Will, okay hey to kind of answer your question that you,
asked earlier when the last time we've seen a team
like this win, a championship it would probably Be that.
PISTONS team I think gp you played Against that. PISTON
team i know. They, had yeah you had to mention
that Many, are hey look they had about Three Four

(52:24):
all stars, that year but they Had four, yeah yeah
so but you KNOW they i don't. THINK not i
don't think more than one person stood. Out there all
they was by committee and they Attacked their lakers team
man Like.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Like joe they didn't Have. All star They Had, ben
wallace They, had rashid They, had prince They, had chauncey
so that that.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
Was there they had all five, basketball players Wasn't the
they all had five basketball players and they, played together
and then they had guys coming off the bench that
was not, You feel and so you're right comparison to
a one team that won a championship and that was
an old four.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Against us they have a. Superstar neither, you know all
players all good.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Basketball, PLAYERS, HEY gp i think When mail man, GOT
hurt i think that really.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Hurts, Y'ALL.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Shannon i said, to everybody and, everybody said we were
eighteen and two when call alone got hurt when he
went down and blew us all up because we didn't
have so we didn't have the structure, of everything and,
we're applying we're trying to play a TRIANGLE and i
was just trying to get custom to. The triangle and
then you got to understand we had a lot of problems,

(53:40):
within ourselves, you know going through what he was.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Going through shaq was with a few men With doctor.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Buss and we were we're in our Thing and carl
kept us together because you Remember when carl got hurt
and we were before eighteen and two and were always
average was SEVENTEEN and i was. Average eighteen so for all,
eighteen seventeen seventeen seventeen and it. Was flowing and, You're
right karl alone took it away, from us and it blew.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Us up it blew. Us up when.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
THAT happened kd was online yesterday and had time to
go back and forth with someone. On x it all
started when he responded to a, TWEET saying i think
it's time To Admit kevin durant's trajectory After Leading golden
state is. VERY underwhelming, KD responded i. Highly disagreed wan
a debate. Another guy the same, guy said. No disrespect

(54:35):
you're one of, the best most skilled PLAYERS in, nba
history but ever Since Leaving, golden state you haven't done
much and you're going to be on your third team
and then if you.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Get traded if you think.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
You Stayed In, golden state you would have won More
Championships all stars fifty Forty NINETY All nba official.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
BUCKET brother i also got a.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
CAREER high sis one year hit thirty, thousand points won
a couple of gold MEDALS, and mvp or what A
career i'm STILL going i.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
LOVE life i haven't. Done much it's just, your opinion
not based.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
On facts, once again your statement is talking about me as,
an individual right because you can't talk about my teams
without talking about everybody else, As well so without them
being involved in, the convent it comes down to.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Just me i've laid it Out what.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I've done if you want to talk about basketball as a,
team sport those are two.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Separate things this is What.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
WE kevin i agree With what, kevin says but if
we look, at it that's not how They. Judge lebron
that's not how they've EVER. Done gp they don't judge great.
Like that, they're like either, you won because the winners
get the credit and when, they lose they get.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
The blame that's just the way.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
It.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Is right when you're a, Great, player shinny you're always
gonna take. The black it ALWAYS we i don't care what.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Nobody say when you're a focal point of everything that,
you lose you're gonna get.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
The black it's just that you gotta take it the way.
It is you gotta take the good for. The bad
you Know what. I'm saying you're gonna take it when,
It's good so when, it's bad. Take it you Know what.
I'm saying And k kate is. My guy, you know
that's my.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Little youngster so he's gonna go back. At you kd leave. It,
alone man you know how great. You is just come
back what you. Gotta, do man it is what. It is,
you know once you come to. A TEAM and I
think kat has not been on a good basketball team
since He Left. Golden state I'M just i don't believe

(56:31):
that he hasn't been on a good. Basketball team he
had another great next twoing that can make shots and.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Do everything You remember draymond was was, was fresh he.
Was young you had A. Young clay you Have An.
Igua dollar you had a lot of good basketball players.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Over. Here daddy you know you can get Around and
living And ed, living, SAID well i. Got, him god
he changed the.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Game around you Know what. I'm saying it's deep you
you Know what.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I'm Saying, and loan but he's got an if he
goes to a good, basketball team if he gets Traded,
for phoenix then he can do with IT because i
don't think nobody can still. Stop it he can score
the basketball. Too well he's still average twenty six. This
year ye're, the same you Know what. I'm saying it's
just that you just are a bad. Basketball team and

(57:19):
what happens is if he gets traded to, somebody good
he can he can show that skill again of what
he is and he hasn't lost A step i don't
care what. You say you don't have to lose the
step up in this in, this era IN, this nba
because all you got to do is be able, to
score and he can still score, The, basketball joe before.
You go the problem that he's gonna run into is

(57:40):
that when he Went To, golden state he was a,
free agent so they didn't have to give. Up anything
if you trade, for him you're gonna lose some of.
Your depth that's. What happened that's what Happened. With phoenix,
oh yeah they, got it but look at what they
had to give up to, get, It, right okay and now,
you trade now you Bring In, bradley beal you had
to give up. More depth and THE analogy i like

(58:00):
THE u gp is Like when carmelo Went from Denver
To new york where you had to give up so
much to. Get him so when he, got there he
damned there. By himself SO. And kd gold you, got
storing but you got. No depth look at the teams
THAT the, nba finals what do they?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Have depth.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Both they don't have a PLAYER that's, i mean you
Might say shade might be the closest thing and the equivalent,
to him but what do.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
They have look at the look at.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Their benches look at anytime a BOOK on kd and
they leave the court the benches was. Was awful so
when you can go somewhe as a free agent and
they don't have to give up any compensation.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
For, you.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Now, But LOOK. Kevin kd he's not gonna win. THIS
argument i don't care what and everything that he said.
Is true he's the he's he's Our greatest olympian, basketball,
player no no doubt.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
About it but he was NEVER and i used analogy.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
New edition he was never gonna be accepted LIKE THE o, G, Members,
Ronnie bobby Ricky.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
And mike he was never because you know what He Was.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Johnny Gill johnny gil could not say. Them all but
he didn't grow up In.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Rock ferry.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
So when you look, at it it's like it is
it's rare that you have somebody that comes onto a
group that that wasn't a part of the original group
and people.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Remember it so THAT'S what.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
KD was kd, Is great he's, historically great and we
might not ever feel guy his size that Could handle
dirk was. His Hype but dirk shot that. One legged
dirk wasn't putting the ball on the floor getting to
the REALM. Like kd he wasn't putting the ball on
the floor and getting TO the MIDI. Like Kd, AS
shannon I gotta i gotta correct you. On that the

(59:54):
greatest lift In. Is carmel oh You Put, carmelo okay
because he he done scored all the points in. The
thing he did everything in a Lot of olympics that
he got all the do it off. The, beach yeah
he got all. The records so if you want to
say doing all accomplishment In the olympics as, one Player.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
That's carmelo know what's, Your Take, joe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Man listen as far AS uh kd moving around going
to a, new, TEAM uh i want to see him go, Somewhere,
man well he don't have to do much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Dirty. WORK fellas i want to see him go somewhere
where he, can just, you know kind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Thrive, offensively, yeah defensively he gonna make.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
A difference but if you put him on any team
that's pretty GOOD, and gp, you notice he gonna take
him over.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
The, top man he's gonna take him to that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Next level what they try to Whether It's, san antonio Whether,
it's houston Whether, it's, detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Wherever wherever it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
May, BE uh i just want to see him get
get somewhere to where, you know he can catapult a
team to the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Next, level man what Team? George? What what What team
georgia you? Take that that that? WOULD be i mean
just depends on what.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
We gotta what you gotta give up to, Get Him,
LIKE houston i love three team deal and give away
two of them little Players. From houston keep your core
a little bit, of core and then you'll you can she'll. Be,
good yeah cause you gonna probably. Have to the thing
is you're probably gonna have to give Up shot Good And.
Jalen Green jalen green care, About That, jalen green as,

(01:01:25):
you know but you got all the other younger players
Around because i'm not giving up On.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Men thompson i'm not Giving. Up thompson i'm. Not nothing
and You know shak you know. He's big oh, YOU
know i CAN'T see i Can't see houston Giving up.
Shane going you don't think? So now MAYBE now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I know i don't know if the money add up
if you Give Up Jabbari. Smith JR but i don't
see them giving Up sing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
GOOON man i don't give them Up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
NEITHER shannon i would Give up green and ro. And
problem but how we how do we make the? Money
right but you gotta go on three, Team trade That's what.
I'm saying you gotta bring a thirteen in to bring
them moving there because the third team can give up some.
Draft picks you're gonna have to least give up three
first round draft picks for a. Half CHEAP and i

(01:02:17):
don't know if you'll have to give up that much
OF no GP because i think you're gonna look at.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
His age he's gonna be, thirty seven plus his. Injury History, But,
dan shannon you should have got to think. About it
the other team's gotta get.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Something too there are third team out to get at
least one first round because think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
About it because here, another, thing guys we gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Thank you we gotta take, INTO Consideration, O, Joe yeah
luca doncons at, twenty five Win For anthony davis and
another in a first round pick at.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Twenty. Five bro But, but shannon you went for a.
Day exactly davis is pretty. Goddamn cook hell. Watches out
you know What he's he's thirty two with the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Injury History and i'm giving you a guy that just
took the team TO the NBA five if at, twenty
five and look what he did when he came back
To the lakers and then do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Too, Much, hey hey we don't get. It right one ain't.
Gonna work we're gonna. Get it we're gonna get. It right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
He, go hey as a matter, of fact He traded lebron,
RIGHT now i know you a big l, a Thing
but I'm a. Lebron, fan, no, no, No no I'm
with i'm a fan of he. Is too but when,
We leave i'm. GOING somewhere i don't Know where, i'm
Going but i'm. Going somewhere you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Like traveling, Off, STARS hey i. Get, it hey, at
first My first.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
At first kobe was. MY guy i Was a, Kobe
fan burns one of my. Best, friends uh he Was a.
Lebron fan now he Knew About kevin Duran Because kevin
durant is from, That Area Prince, george county so that
d M. V a, HE said i tell YOU what.
I do, He said i'll let You have i'll let
You have lebron if you Give me Kevin. Dur red,

(01:03:57):
he said as a matter, OF fact i Give you
kobe AND leb, i said, hold on you're gonna Get
me Kobe and lebron and all you Want Is kevin
DURRANT because i was supposed to get the next guy
to come out the, Next Year So kevin durant theoretic
was supposed to be. MY player, i, said, Okay DONE
so I got, I said I got Covid and broun bro.
You high so He's been so he got KD and

(01:04:22):
I got Kobe. And lebron, but uh IT'S just I don't,
I mean i'm just trying to figure out where can
he go where they don't have to give they don't
have to give up. Their depth because you look at these,
two teams what got them to where, they are what's? Their,
DEPTH yeah i think he goes Back To. GOLDEN state i, was,
thinking no he ain't. Going back you don't want to

(01:04:44):
go back there because because the way where. It ended
but if he goes, BACK there i guarantee you they'll
be they'll they'll they'll be a contingent for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
The championship oh well at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
First break but here's, the, Thing though you Giving, Up
kaminga you Giving, up moody you giving up all.

Speaker 7 (01:04:58):
Those guys, get enough you're gonna. GIVE up i think
two of them you'll. Open there you. Give up and But,
but shan they're not. Playing anyway It, doesn't matt you're
gonna give up to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Me anyway he's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Gonna lead he's. Gonna lead now they're gonna try to trade.
Him Anyway, even boody you don't even play. Him anyway
you don't. Play him so you're gonna be the. Same
way you're Gonna have, Butler uh curry uh and and And.
Then draymond that's. YOUR four I and i don't care

(01:05:32):
how these. Dudes is they still was in the playoffs
and making noise this year being.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
That way only reason they Lost to minnesota is Because
that curry.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
GOT hurt i understand if you keep them other little
cords around you to play, their roles so they will
be a good basketball team for him to go back
to and and he can go and HE and i
guarantee that they will still be in the playoffs and
then gonna make a run for a championship.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
With him that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
They needed they just, needed him and then You bake
butler become the. Third option, come, on man they gonna
be pretty good because that's what they did when they
when they want, a champion they won the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Two championship they, Had him clay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
A Right and drey mind doing EVERYTHING, That, gp man
thanks for, joining. Us man we know you got a. Business.
Schedule man thanks for jumping on with, us tonight breaking the. Game,
down hey when you get, a, few hey maybe come
back and break it down. With it if we get a,
game seven come back and finishing up. With us, you,
know man y'all y'all gotta do is, ask. Me man
you know, y'all man, y'all know y'all fa fath, APPRECIATE.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
That gp we go this week, This, show, yes sir