Nightcap - Hour 1: Warriors take Game 1 over Timberwolves + Haliburton Game-Winner deflates Cavaliers

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Ryan Hollins react to Round 2 of the NBA Playoffs featuring, Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors beating Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves in Game 1,  Tyrese Haliburton's Game-Winner as the Indiana Pacers taking a 2-0 lead over Donavan Mitchell and the Cleveland Cavaliers, Nikola Jokic and the the Denver Nuggets taking a 1-0 lead over Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahome City Thunder, and much more!

01:47 - Introduction
04:00 - Warriors v T-Wolves
24:10 - Pacers v Cavs
50:00 - Thunder v Nuggets

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The volume and hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for
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time in NBA history, all the road teams won Game one.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
We've had two of four, we've had three of four.

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We've never had all four win and that's what happened,
and a couple of them won in dramatic fashion. We're
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gonna get right into it. Tonight, the Warriors beat the
Wolves a large part without Steph. Steph left the game
early in the second quarter with a hamstring injury. Did
not return the Timberwolves tonight. Naz Reid. Nas Reid was
three or seven from three. Everybody else was two of

(02:47):
twenty two, and they did not get off to the
the best start shooting the basketball. And as Chris Finch said,
our transition decisions making what's diabolical, He said, the poor
shooting effect their confidence and overall players starts with Anthony Edwards.
You could see the light go out and for a
little while now he did get it going. In the
second half, he had twenty three points fourteen rebounds. It

(03:10):
just took him twenty two shots to get those twenty
three points. And that's not nearly good enough because outside
of ad Man, Julius Random was four of eleven, jayde
and Daniels six to twelve, Rudy Gobert was four seven.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Mike Conley got some great cardio in tonight.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
But Deevin chevso three of eleven, Mikil Walker, Alexander had
Well had fourteen minutes, he got some great cardio in,
and even Shannon Junior he got cardio and only got
two minutes on the bike. Oho, but he got a
little cardio in, So you only have to do eighteen
minutes on the bike after the game because he did

(03:45):
get two minutes of cardio.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Ryan, I'm gonna start with you on this.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
You watched this game and you was like, Okay, the
Warriors might be in trouble. Steph going out and looked
like he had it going. Looked like he was headed
toward the monster night. He had thirteen points in about
thirteen minutes, so it looked like it was gonna be
one of those nights. Draymond got off hit four of
his five first threes. But you know what, I let
Draymond have that. I just don't want Steph, Buddy, he'll
get going. What did you like about what you saw

(04:11):
from the Warriors tonight? Man, the first.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Thing they could he could have pulled that hand string
on Sunday last Sunday, he could have pulled that hand
straight would be having a whole different conversation. Now, Okay,
let's get that out there right now.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
First and foremost.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
But man, I don't think people understand and giving Golden
State the credit. Defensively, they are sound, they're smart. Steve
Kerr will get out there and switch defenses. I saw
someuth I've never seen in this series against Houston, against
our guys. He ran three two zone. He ran one
three to one in the NBA. That's something you never see.
To take away the elbows. And he doesn't mind switching.

(04:45):
Sup gonna go play big, He'll go small and right now,
one thing he's doing, he's Darren Rudy Gobert. He said,
I'm gonna put Jimmy Butler. I'm gonna put Raymond. We're
not putting the die above six eight on you. And
he's really challenging go bear to score the ball inside
the paint. Now against shen Doon and Steven Adams, he
went big. You saw a lot of Clinton Posts. You

(05:05):
didn't see Quinton Post tonight. You saw you Sawkabon Looney,
Andre Man. You know you saw both those guys in
the lineup.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'm gonna pick.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Make this very clear, they're not gonna win this series
without Steph Perry. He's gonna have to get back depending
how bad that hamstring is.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
And I've never seen step go down.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
And it's funny, man, we're talking about this the other
day with Steph.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
If you watch him play, I don't know. He must win.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Run three to four to five miles, everyone possession.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
He's running. So finally that hamstring, you know what went out.
But at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Chad Wollt see in reality where Anthony Edwards struggles that
bad offensively, they gotta find ways to get him going.
And ultimately in game one and with a lot of
Russ the positive when you play seven game series, you're fresh,
you're ready, the juices are going.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
But I saw Russ from Minna. Oh, Joe, what did
you think about what you saw? Because like you are,
he said, I don't think ant man, he'll jump shot
all night long. Everything that he got was going to
the basket, or it was from the free throw line.
He was terrible from the three point line. What was
he from the three point line? Oh, he did make one.
He was one of five from the three. He was
four or five from the free throw line, nine or

(06:19):
twenty two from the floor. Overall, he did have fourteen rebounds.
But the thing that they didn't allow him to do.
They made him incredibly inefficient, and they didn't let you
look at his assists total two remember when he played
in the Lakers eleven assists, eight nine assists. So not
only is he getting his points, he's allowing everybody else
to get involved. Tonight, Golden State did a great job

(06:40):
of limiting him, making it hard for him to get anything.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
He couldn't get anything from the jump shot, the three
point line.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
He got some driving baskets in the second half, but
it wasn't nearly nearly enough. What did you look so Tember,
what you like ant Man? What is it that you
didn't see that you want to see in order for
them to win this series?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Moving forward?

Speaker 4 (06:58):
I mean actually going forward, the Wolves, the Wolves are
gonna have to have and man has to be on
he has to be on fire. He has to be
the leader and go out there and not only facilitate,
but take a game over. You know, it is only
game one, and I honestly, honestly, from what I saw,
I knew Steph was getting hot when he when he
was playing, But when he went out and he tweaked
that hamstring a little bit. I think, Okay, this is

(07:20):
the perfect opportunity for the Wolves to get back in
the game or at least make it a close game.
And that's what I thought it would be, you know,
towards end, I thought that we have opportunity to come back.
But obviously Jimmy, Jimmy Butler and and Enjoymond Green kind
of kind of led the way, you know, Buddy Hill
helped as well and making sure that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
But but he got going in that second half.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yet, yeah, you got to go on the second It's
only game one. It's only game one, so I'm expecting,
you know, Anthony Everais and the rest of the rest
of that crew collectively to have to have a better game,
especially at Man gotta everything. Everybody gonna feed off his
energy and how he plays, so everything starts with him.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I mean, you think about it. Minnesota's qored eleven points
in the second quarter. The Warriors almost outscored them in
the second quarter. The Warriors scored twenty six points in
the second quarter. They had thirty one points at the half.
Minnesota bed I don't know if I've ever seen a
team beat this this poor in an entire quarter, twelve

(08:19):
minute quarter, right, I don't know when the last time
you see somebody score just eleven points in a quarter
in today's game.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Now, maybe when the game was physical. Hell, I mean,
I remember game being seventy three, sixty eight, seventy to
sixty five.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
But in today's game, when it's up and down, I
don't know if I've seen this anemic of a quarter
from a team.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
This is the thing that you got to understand it.
You must have missed our series.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Man.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
They defend and in Golden State more than anybody. They
don't funnel you into a beg because the biggest dream law.
They just square you off and they keep you in front.
It's all school basketball, and they force a contest. Then
you bring Jimmy Butler, and Jimmy can play both away,
so they got size and they're switchable. And then you
know Kurt will come in with guys off the bench,

(09:05):
but very leaked because it's a different style and you're
used to seeing it. And even when curries out there,
HER's put on so much muscle, he's stronger. They're deep
into their scattering port. If there's a weakness that you have,
you can argue they may be the smartest team in
the NBA defensively, so it's not a surprise. And on
the other end, this is my challenge to Anthony Edwards.

(09:26):
Now he's gonna shoot the ball better just by his
guy getting abilities. When he learns how to truly play
the game and manipulate defenses, he is gonna be He's
gonna be unstoppable.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And what do I mean by that?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Luca Doncas can't jump over a from book, but he
can manipulate defense. And you know what I'm saying, Like
Luka Donca is gonna find a bad matchup, he gonna
pull you into a pick and roll, use the angle
and get it at man playing on all heart right now,
it's all hearts. Well when he learns how to run
the pick and roll, find the four matchup, see how
they're playing him.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
You can't guard him, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
So he's made strides and the game is gonna come
so much more easier to him. But again that was
Russ And like Chad saying, chatt is almost impossible, we're
gonna expect him to go into the next game and
play that bad and you're gonna have to see, you know,
here's some problem, Chad.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't know how y'all both y'all feel about this.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Now you're gonna have to ask Jimmy Butler to do
a lot more than he's been doing. Jimmy Butler's been
playing heavy minutes, but he's been saving himself.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
He had eleven rebounds to night.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
He had eight as sister tonight, as you mentioned, because he,
first of all, Draymond is a point whatever you call him.
He's a point, center, point forward, whatever you want to
call him, because he initiates a lot of their offense.
That's not what Kerry Curry does. Curry spends his time
being in perpetual motion, running from side to side, coming
off picks, coming off pin downs, and things of that nature.
He's not really initiating their offense. That role goes to

(10:53):
Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green. So now with Curry being out,
you're probably gonna ask Jimmy to do a little bit
more of the scoring. He can't be as much as
a facilitator because he had Curry taking a lot of
that scoring role. Now, if Curry's going to be out,
you're gonna ask him to do more. He's more than
capable of doing that because we saw him for a
number of years in Miami do some of everything. Go

(11:15):
get you fifty. If you need six fifteen, sixteen rebounds,
go get you that. You need double digit assists, he
can get you that. And so I agree with you, Ryan,
I think he's gonna have to be He's gonna have
to be more of everything. He's gonna have to be
that guy what we saw Lebron be for a lot
of those years. Maybe lead the team in points, rebounds, assists, hell,
maybe steal block shots because he has that ability. It's

(11:37):
gonna be very interesting to see how the Wolves respond
to this because.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
They had it fairly easy for the most part.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Look, the Lakers would always choke it off and they
you know, they would get some confidence going and the
next thing, you know, at Man get hot. Everybody catch
five shooting your three. It was five and twenty nine
to night. Now they're not. They made the fifth most threes,
but they're not. They weren't a great three point shooting
team against the Lakers. They just got HoTT and spells

(12:05):
and that was good enough to carry them over.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
At Man did what he did, But.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
You got Jane Daniels averaging twenty two to twenty three
points a game. And you see the night he had twelve,
You had Julius Randill giving you twenty two and six
and five. He had eighteen tonight. So everybody played below
their average against the Lakers. And I don't know if
that this effort tonight, they're gonna have to find something
because I like what you said, Ryan. The Warriors are team.

(12:33):
They don't beat themselves. They make you beat them. So
if you think they're gonna make silly mistakes, oh Joe
by threeing the ball over being caught out of position,
you don't see them pointing to bro I thought you
had that. I thought you was spold to show. I
thought you was gonna hedge. I thought we was gonna
switch this. You don't see them doing a lot of that.
They know exactly what they're gonna do, according to what
you're gonna do, and if you beat them, you beat them.

(12:55):
But they're not gonna make those silly ticket tag mistakes
that you're like, damn, well, you know we made a
lot of mistake like that. That's not what they do.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Well.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, one thing also, I want to touch on it.
You say you say when you beat the Warriors. You
gotta beat them. They're not going to beat themselves.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
And we talked about Anthony Edwards in that in that
cast collectively having a better shooting game and and and
shooting above above what their percentage is to even have
a chance to win.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
But are we even worried a little.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Bit about the about the Warriors, you know, with Curry's
hamstring being out going into game too or do you
think Jimmy Butler, Buddy Hill and Dre Monk.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
And hey Chad, I'm gonna tell you one thing.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, as as fatigued as he is and his age,
he might.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Be back game three or four.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Now, the gold right now, if you're Golden State of
ceed and you notice you stole that game, yes, so
now you can rest. Yes, when Jimmy Butler went out
against Houston, they were able to rest because they won.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
They won a game, and they were able to get
him back.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
So if you're gold State, you're saying, if we can
get him back by game three or four and not
rush it because we sol a game, which means even
we just need to get one at home, and now
we still got a series. That's the biggest thing I
want to touch on something. You said, Anthony Edwards wasn't
threshured against the Lakers. They literally it was man one. Yeah,

(14:19):
he played one on one, but he pretty much zoned
the week side because they don't have the ability to
pressure the basketball. Golden State got up from pressure to
Anthony Edwards. Okay, Gary Payton the second yeps a dog. Okay,
he can dog Draymond and guard you. So they showed
bodies and they're saying, thick it to somebody else.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know, nas Reed was wide open.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Mc daniels was wide open for three because I can
help him recovering.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
To those guys, they don't have.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
A n maw shooter if it's not Mike Pinley in
that situation.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, because you look at Julius Randall oh for three,
Jay McDaniels, oh for three, Mike Conley oh for two,
Anthony Edwards one for five, Dante Devenceienzo one for seven,
Alexander Walker over two.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So at that point in time.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Golden State says, you know what, hey, guys, let's not
chase them off the line. Let's leave him at the
line because they ain't gonna be able to throw a
notion anyway. So we running out of there, getting out
of a position. And and this is what's surprised that
a lot of people might not realize. To be a small,
small team, go toen State is a great rebounding team.
They out rebounded They out rebounded Minnesota by ten with

(15:25):
Rudy Gobert with Julius Randall, with Nas Reed with.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Man with Jaydon McDaniels.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Let that think it because if you look at them
side by side, you're like, damn, Rudy Gobe looked like
Delia Julius Randalls sixty nine, so I mean the tallest,
the tallest player that they and then started lineup with
probably Draymond and Jimmy Butler. At sixth seven, you got
Steph Curry six two six three, maybe Buddy Hill. But

(15:52):
they getta they get a they cause they get you
out of position because you're scrambling trying to run guys
up the three point line. They missed and they know
what about to care and they get the ball. But no, Chad,
the reason they don't give those rebounds, and we talked
about it earlier. They stay on the body.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
It's hard to beat them off the bounce, and even
when you beat them, they stay in the play.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
So now your body's on bodies.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
When I can get bodies on bodies and box you out,
it's old school basketball.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Steve approaching old school basketball.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
So that's why they they're so dominant on the glass.
And then on the other end, here's my fear of Chad,
And I don't know how you feel about this. Worry's
running around. You gotta give attention. You gotta get two
to the ball. That opens up Buddy Hill, that opens
up the other guys, It opens up Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
But even though.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Jimmy Butler doesn't want to shoot, he got he got
free space. That free face is gonna go away. And
my key, this is my keyball forward. The Temple Wolves
are excellent when they can turn you over. They're young,
they're athletic, they play off energy. And Golden State is
doing what Chad. They holding the back.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Chad, you watch them, they hold the basketball.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
You're gonna see them shoot by design and normally in
basketball chair, you don't want to see this. It's almost
like a football y'all. Don't want to play that team
that's gonna defend and just hold the ball. They hocking
the ball the last that's those them say, they shooting
the ball at five seconds, eight or five seconds every possession,
so they pushed the game out in time.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, that's what I mean. They're they're the total opposite
of Indiana. If you look at Indiana, they're looking to
push them for eight or we get off the rim.
But you look at it and fort dribbles, they got
somebody if you're not careful, they got somebody laying the
ball up in the basket. You look at Steve Curry, says,
Steph Curry is day to day and we'll get an
Mr Tomorrow. Obviously, he's crushed Buddy Hill game one, twenty

(17:41):
four points, five may threes. He's hit fourteen to three
in his previous two games, and he won them game
seven because he caught fire and they didn't have an
answer for it. And tonight the second half, when you
saw Minnesota started to make a run, it was him
boom boom boom in the third quarter, and when they
cut it Ryn and Ojoe. You remember in the fourth quarter,

(18:03):
I think they had got it down to eighth, he
made a two pointer and then he came right back
down and made a three and pushed it right back
to thirteen, and they really never challenged after that.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
But Buddy is playing. I mean, look, he could always
shoot the ball.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
If you look at him where he is now as
far as three pointers, he's head of what Curry was
at the same point in time in their careers.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Now, I'm not saying he's gonna catch Curry.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
I'm not saying he's a better shooter, but I'm saying
step came in and and and started this revolution or
this evolution, whatever term you want to use. And so
now guys are coming in and they're getting up more threes.
And so now you, I mean, you might have when
it's all said and done, Ryan, you might have three
guys that made ten guys made three thousand threes in

(18:46):
a career.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, I'm gonna give you this about Buddy, Hilda. And
here's a childie, Chad.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I don't know if you you. I don't know if you.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Are this type of guy, Chad in your career. But
Buddy Hill is not great at being the second and
third option.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
He's a guy that has to get his touches. And
see her made a genius.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Playing because what he did in that game seven against Houston,
he said, we need a third option and and it
wasn't gonna be cominga.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
It wasn't. And Gepsky is a dog. I like him.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Man, he got an old school solid player. But he said,
Buddy Hill, play what fixed you best? And it paid off.
Lad do you were you one of those guys? Could
you be second?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I know you know what I'm saying, matter of fact,
but he.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Boy could play second, but you had to get is
like most number one receivers.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Get him the ball early.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Get you can't deal it, dally around with him and
wait till the second quarter or the third quarter to
try to beat to the ball. Give him a smoke,
give him a quick out, give him a slant, Let
him touch the ball.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
If you let him touch the ball early, you can
have him lea.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
You're probably gonna lose him if you don't give it
the ball to the late the second quarter, right before
the half of the third.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I'm not calling matter of fact. He needs his touches.
And you can speak to that a guy like a
small example.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
I can think about what I stood on the table
when TiO had the opportunity to come to Cincinnati. I
told Marvin, I told Mike Brown, I said, listen, we
gotta get him we got to get him in here.
I have no problem taking the back seat. I have
no problem being number two, understanding the greatness that's getting
ready to come, you know, into the receiver room. Now
at that point, common God damn sense, this is one
of the best of all time. I don't care how

(20:30):
good I am right now in Cincinnati. I'm going to
take a back seat. Geo, I'm taking the back seat.
And I had no problem with it. So at some point, obviously, uh,
just like you said that, Brakowski and Carson, they knew
to give me my touches early and the office the
offense ran really well.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Hell but just that year we went four and twelve,
so we still were. Sorry, but I'm over that both, y'all.
I'm still over that over.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened
that year. Pacers still Game two in Cleveland. Only three
teams have come back down seven in the last minute
of a playoff game since nineteen ninety seven. The Thunder

(21:18):
did it on May thirteen, twenty fourteen. The Pacers did
it April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, which.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Was seven days ago.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
The Pacers also did it May sixth, twenty twenty five,
which was up tonight. Oh, Joe bur We talked about it. Yeah,
another six, another six guys in double figures. You got
Siakam twelve, Nie Smith twenty three, turn them twenty three,
them Hard thirteen, Halliburton nineteen, Matthren nineteen. You see, you

(21:49):
don't know, you just know it's a committee. Now, you
don't know who's gonna be the lead, who's gonna be
the president, who's gonna journ the meeting? But you know
these guys are gonna and they did a nunbelieve job.
I believe in a situation like this, Ryan, correct me
if I'm wrong. Look, yeah, the other team has to
make has to make a lot of mistakes. But in
order for you to steal a game with fifty seconds

(22:10):
left and you down by seven, you gotta make everything right.
You gotta miss, you gotta miss a free throw and
get a rebound and get a name one you I mean,
you see you see Mathn They missed a free throw,
he dunk it home. Okay, Now Halliburton make one. He
missed the next one, he get it? Who will out four?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Three?

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Everything that could have gone wrong for the Calves, the
calves throw them all night getting the ball in. There
are a couple of times they could have got some violations,
but and then I don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
He just threw the ball right to them. Are them hard? Said,
I mean, like, thank you very much, but they're in trouble.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think this series is over and it's gonna be
the most ethic collout because the team that won this
many games to possibly get swept.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I can see them getting swept. Ryan, I don't know
if you see that.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
You got some glasses on, putting them blasts on so
you can see if you can see what I see
a chat chat.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
I called this before I seen it, And this is
what's crazy. And the Pacers the most underrated team in
the NBA right now.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Their a team chid.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Last year they went to the Eastern Front Frience Finals
and everybody said it was for injuries. Listen, man Rick Carlow,
nip Hard mcinal. They got some dogs over there. It's
not the sexiest, Okay, they don't got the forty inch
Burt mac during Is athletics, Jakams athletics.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
But other than that, they just are tough.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Hard those players and the way that the NBA is
played now that is shifting to It was a game
of athletes, a bunch of three past shootings. Now it's
a game of toughness and skill. Indiana has toughness and skill.
They moved to basketball like you talked about in Halliburn. Hey, now,
hold on, man, they need to put some respect on
Halliburton's names overrated player at the NBA. Let me tell

(24:01):
you something from schematically, there's only a handful of guys
that can manipulate the game. Chris paul I played with Chris.
Chris is one of those.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Guys that can do it in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Now it's Lebron, it's Luka, Doncic and James hard when
he's on his a game, sy rees Halliford could manipulate
the game.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
What do I mean by that?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
He's the guy that can beat you with the past,
and he can beat you with the shot. And when
you take one way, he's gonna make the correct play.
So were looking at the stat sheet. He got nineteen
point four assist in the game winners, and he's got
the clutch gan he finds away. It's not the prettiest game.
It's not the prettiest.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
He the guy get it's the Kevin Martin.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
He got a little Kevin Martin around, but he's a
dog and he finds the way. But Chad, Am I
crazy to where I called this before that happened.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I got in the.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Record, I called it, Am I crazy to say that
still is gonna outweigh the athletes and the size. And
obviously give credit to cattle players. They chucked the game up,
but they had injuries. They had guys messing down of
the initial dropped forty eight pints in the game and
at the end of the day, if I'm donning the Mitchell,
I say, I drove forty eight. That's all I can
do to will my team to win. And we put

(25:12):
win with sit It's a ride.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah yeah for me, Ojoe, I thought the game could
have been even closer. I mean, think about it. See
I come had eight shots. He's one of you, he's
your all star. Calim Burton had eleven shots. Think about
how many of those shots came in the fourth quarter.
I'm like, bro, what are y'all doing? I mean, nobody
took more. Miles Turner had the most shots. He had seventeen.

(25:35):
They don't had eighty five. They shot almost fifty two
percent from the floor. If they take better care of
the basketball, I mean, nim Hard had eight turnovers, so
he had almost half of the turnovers. If they do
a better job taking care of the basketball, I'm not
so sure Cleveland get out to that lead.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
But Cleveland as the.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Game got closed, I mean, they was up big, and
every time, here come Indiana, Here come Indiana. They go
up eighteen nineteen, Here come in there on to will
it down to nine. They go back up by thirteen,
they cut it back down to seven. I was like, okay, now,
y'all miss around. Y'all, ay, you're playing with five because
y'all letting them.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
God.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
They like, hey man, we're right here. We make a
couple of plays, we get a couple of stops. You
know you're getting down huddles. Hey, we make a stop
right here. Oh yo, get the ball back to our office. Hey,
who knows what can happen? And that's what happened. They
messed around and let him get close a and you
hit that three point shot. It's like, oh, it's a
one point game. Oh and Halliburton got the rebound. Hey,

(26:35):
he dribbled out. He got the matchup that he wanted.
God would work. Hey, I ain't give you the three
if you go to the basket and tied up. Yeah,
if I give you that, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
But look like I said, Nie Smith had twenty three
he played really well, four rebounds, three blocks, Miles Turner
twenty three points, eight rebounds, five blocks, Tyre's Halliburton nineteen points,
nine rebounds, the game winner, the ship, the series shift
to ending on Friday. You're talking about a team that
what what sixty four games and could possibly get swept.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Have we ever had a team win so many games
to get swept?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Maybe that that ninety four SuperSonics team they got. They
didn't get swept, but they got beat by the eighth
seed of the Denver Nuggets. But to get swept, yeah,
at sixty four wins.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
But I honestly listen, when you talk about them having
sixty four wins, you got to remember, you gotta remember
tonight they were they didn't have key contributors. There's Darius
Garland's out, Everan moe le DeAndre Hunter's out, So those
sixty four.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
They would have had that twenty point lead or they
just went out once they got to leave. You state,
they can't an injured. So they had a twenty point
lead with those guys on the bench, right.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
So that's what that's why. But that's why Dinah in
the half forty eight because he had to do more.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, yeah, I give him that. But see, what are
we surprised that Donovan? We Donovan's had fifty seven of
the playoff game. Him and Jamal Murray both had fifty
of the playoff game. We don't think about how many
times he scored thirty in a playoff game. I think
five of his seven games with the Calves he's had
at least thirty. We know he's a scoring machine. But
as long as he got how.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Many hold up he had, he will fit fifteen for thirty,
fifteen for thirty.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, I can live with the A. That's that's sufficient,
that's fitting.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Shoot, he didn't shoot the three ball well and he
had nine assists. Yeah, so he did all he could do.
But you can't turn the ball over in situations like that.
You can't leave guys. You just can't make the mistakes
in You got listen, you got to win that game.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
You can't play. I don't believe they can play any better.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Run with the guys that they have missing, they can't
play any better than what they played tonight and they
don't have anything to show for that performance.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Give and this was Indiana's mindset. Let me speak the
son that you two can't speak to. Okay, y'all's first
options all of flame. So let me speak to the
role players. You can give energy, you can bring life.
They they played like their backs were against the wall.
But as things get tighter, you need your stars. Now,

(29:08):
Donovan did his job, but Darius Garland is the other
closer on that team. He's the guy you put the
ball in his hands and he's the playmaker.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Things get happen on the backside.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
So the role players, the heart was there, but as
things got tighter, where were they gonna go with the basketball?
And Donovan could do too much. So for Indiana they
were patient. They just said, where's your offense going to
keep coming from? So you know that energy, the excitement,
you know, and when you have a bag go out
and you saw this with Bolden State, you valghanize behind it.

(29:40):
I think Steph Curry went out, you know, Draymond Green.
But as for known as a now shoot the future
Hall of Famer. By the way, I think Draymond hit
three or four straight three pointers in a row, so
you saw the energy from the role players. But as
a role player, when the game is getting tight, I'm
looking at Chris Paul okay, I'm looking at Paul Pierce.
I'm looking for those guys and they not on the floor.
We're going protheros.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
We can only run so much offense. And it's funny.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
There's a saying it's not about the exisz and o's,
it's about the Jimmys and Joels.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You have to have players in those situations.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
So no disrespects to the guys on the floor for
Keith Cleveland, but Donovan Minchell alone wasn't enough. And the
thing is, you got a well oiled machine over there
with the pacers, and they just let it get tighter,
let it get tighter, and then they accept their moment.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
And because they're at home and the fans, you look
when a game when you've had when you have a
lead and all of a sudden it starts to dissipate.
The fans can feel that too, because everything is ooh
oh no, and all of a sudden, it feels like
the basket had a lead on it. Max Scruce played
unbelievable tonight, five to twelve from the three. He ended

(30:47):
up taking out from outside the lane and flushed at home.
He was hyped. I thought Tiger Rome played well. Meryl
hit a couple of big threes. Allen had twenty two
to twelve with three blocks. But at the end of
the day, as that game, you look, you up twenty
and all of a sudden you look up and there
it's like fifteen seconds and you only got a three

(31:09):
point lead. You don't feel as good as you once
d n. You don't feel as good as you once did.
You're like, damn, we about to let this ish slip away.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Check this out chair. When I when I played in.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Dallas, so derv Jason Kidd, Jason Terry a Chain would
have a lead on us and we would go on
the road and we would live for these moments, almost
inserting myself as a role player to these situations. Now
we're gonna do this. But the one thing you would
say is, oh, they getting tight. I'm not gonna say
the words we were saying. We were saying they getting tired,

(31:45):
and try to watch them get tight those arms the
t ranks, arms come out and brush your mouth and
you just looking for one crack. Heck, look, man, I'm
a calling for what it is the reason I'm so
passionate about giving them Lebron to respect I give him
is because we had them down three one.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Lebron was not Lebron at that point. He wasn't Peter James.
He was cling p J but he wasn't King James yet.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
And what he did coming in the Boston with our
team and our guys and we kept waiting for that
moment for Lebron to shrink. We had waye figured out.
With all due respect to Dwayne Wade, we had great
Avery was doing the x glen job. We had him
figured out, and Lebron took over in that game and
he willed his team to victory on the Championships and
the rest of the rest is history from there. But

(32:29):
if you've been in a situation where you know you're saying,
give us the ball back this game, give us.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
The ball back, you know, if if anything, especially a
situation like that, where it's where it's a pressure situation
and it gets tight, Uncle would be would be better
suited to say that because he's been a bigger game
he's been.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
We have one of the best, We had one of
the best pressure pack quarterbacks in the NFL here Street.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
That's what he was known for.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
So we knew if the defense could get a stop,
it didn't matter. If we're down fourteen with five minutes
to go and they had the ball, we gotta stop.
We're gonna go down this score quickly. Defense, get us
one more stop, get us off the field. We get
that ball back. Oh, we're gonna get it. We're gonna
get a touchdown to beach it. We're gonna, we're gonna
We're gonna find a way to beach it because I've
been in that moment too many times and they know it. See,

(33:22):
here's the thing is is that when you have somebody
and and and they know it, they know.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
What you know.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
God, even when the Ladder had that twenty three point lead,
I think it was a some new was on the
sideline like, hey man, that's Brady over there. They know
what's over there, and you still worried about.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
The man because you many this.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
What's it gonna take for Tyrese Halan Burton to get
that respect because he just did it. To your honest,
he didn't come out there, but he got like, what's
it gonna take for how the burden? And this was
league wide they chance and overrated the game. He addressed
it in the press to overrate that. What's it gonna

(34:10):
take for him? In your mind, Chad to get that respect?
And is there anybody that you knew that was getting
that over rated tag and what they do to get
over it?

Speaker 4 (34:20):
You know, that's crazy. I think it might be. It
might actually be where he's playing. And I really think
it might be where he's playing, you know, And and
and outside of that that that's it. And obviously he's
a he's an All Star. And then the group of
players that he's combined with when it comes to All
Star his game isn't pretty, isn't pretty like everyone else's.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
It's it's I lu He don't play above the rim
like y'all. Yeah, so you know what I'm saying. So
he's not gonna be what all the guys that I mentioned,
James Hardenwood, like you said, James can go give you fifty, Yeah,
could give you fifty A Luca, you know, Luke, you
see Luca give your sixty twenty two double. Yeah, John

(35:02):
can play elevator above the rim. So you look at
the guys that's that plays the position. I don't know
how many guys you're taking. I mean, you might take
him over a John, But are you taking them over Steph?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
No, you're not taking them over Luca. Are you taking
over Shape? I gotta hear that. Huh. You said you're
taking them over Job, holl of Burden and Job. You
said you're taking Alabama. No, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I'm saying of the guys that I mentioned, you're not
taking them over Shape.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
You're not taking them over Luca. You're not taking them
over Steph.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
So I'm not the only reason I would say you
probably take him over Job is because of Job's injury history,
because I can't Job if.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
You if you take injury history out, I can't look
at that at the time.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Similar teams, though, can you say that he got asked
you know Memphis JA.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
He got triple j J where similar? Yeah, I know
you can't take out injury history, right, be taking away
the flashy play Chad. John has a flashy place.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not. But are you taking Halliburton? Taking
Haliburton on the job. Absolutely not. That's I like.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Listen, I like I like I like Halliburton. I think
one of the reasons why he got that underrated label
is simply for one, with a team he plays on,
and two, even though he's efficient and he gets the
job done at a at a high level, it's just
something about his game.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
It's not pretty, you know, it's not as pretty.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
It's not as esthetically as pleasing as everybody else is
when you watch a job, when you watch James Hard
or Steph Curry or Lucas, you know the guy, oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
What you're saying, if all the guys that we mentioned
can go get your fifty, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I mean you don't think hallburg give you fifty? No?
Has he ever? What's the points Halibert to scored in
the game.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Hey, he gets you forty, get you, get you forty,
get you.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
You heard me. He can't get your quiet forty And
it's gonna be other than too.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
He's gonna be. But think about Shade, look Out, look Out, Shade.
How many times the Shave Shay had the most twenty thirty,
forty fifty point games We've seen Luca.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
We've seen Luca drop seventy plus, so we know he
could go get fifty.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
We think stepth do it. We've seen step do it
in the game seven. We've seen step do it at
thirty at thirty six, thirty seven years of age. Yeah,
the most points he's had. How many times he be
scored forty in the game? He got three forty point games?
Shae had what tim of those?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
This year's here's the thing to Chad, And I don't
know if you know a quarterback like this or a
wide receiver. He plays the right way, Chad, here's the
reality when he has the ball.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
This is not a sexy play. First star point guard. Yeah,
the ball aheaded floor, making the ball ahead of the floor.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Jason Kidd was similar to that, he's a different bill,
But you just say you might not get the assists,
but it's the right play.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Is gonna make the right play. And he just showed
you tonight he's plucked. So and I feel like, oh.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Certain, Lebron, just be honest. Lebron don't get a lot
of the praise from the people. Obviously, he may not
be a puppet Tea's not what he grew up seeing
as as the adult. But Lebron will make the correct PLA.
Burt's a guy who will always make the correct play.
Obviously he sat the bench for Team USA. Obviously during
the regular season they look pedestrian. They floodn't barred the seat.

(38:42):
We's sitting in the Indianna patris U bismal in Mobile, Okay,
but they're in the Eastern Conference. But he's gonna make
the right play, Chad, are we faulting him for making
the right players in anybody that you can think of,
even on the NFL side, that makes the correct play
and they don't get the respect.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Because you know, we like somebody ball hog at the
ball and the thing is Halliburny.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
He doesn't turned the ball over. How many times do
we seen him have fifteen of sis in no turnovers?
How many times do we seen him have double digital
sists in one or few or two or fewer turnovers?
So he I mean, as much as he handles the ball,
he's very efficient at not turning it over. My point
is I would like to see him be more aggressive.

(39:26):
Sometimes you had leven shots and for the longest time
you had six, and I'm like, bro, come on, Cole year, Bro,
you got to do You've got to give them more.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And then you see that fourth quarter, he gave them more.
He gave them an opportunity. Guys may play.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Mad Burn made some a nice Smith made some big
threes that put back dunk that Matt Burn had, matth
Burn had on that miss free throw. But I look,
I got no problem with Halliburny not But I understand.
We like Flash, we like Magic Johnson. Ain't nobody can
think about it? How many people they got right now?
John Stockton, he got more assists, His record is never

(40:05):
gonna be broken. Ain't nobody Probably them got John stock
the top five, a point guard, because everybody like, Okay,
I got Magic, I got Steph Curry, I got Isaaa Thomas.
They got so many guys in front of him because
he wasn't flashing. All he did was pick and roll
your ass to death.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
And he was fundamentally sound. And another thing, I like
Halley's game. And you look, okay, you say, well he
sought the bench. Okay, I mean you go, who is
he gonna play in front of you? Got a gold
medal dough Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:39):
And you know, also you say about Holler Burton really
not being aggressive, only having eleven shots you gotta think
everybody else in double figures two, so he ain't really
got to do much because everybody else collectively is also
being efficient and scoring and contributed.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Honestly, I don't.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Even know how the hell they won that game. If
you told me the score was, I think at one point,
I can't.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Away, I can't. It was one nineteen to one twelve.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
All right, No, I mean, what's the biggest, biggest deficit
they were down.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Oh, I think they was down by like twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. I thought the
game was over. I thought I thought the game was
over at that point.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
That's it. There's no way there come.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
There's no way they're coming back, you know, even with
the injuries, even with you know, Hunter and Garland being out.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
They just did that to Milwaukee. Chair. They had a
crazy game like that against when they ended Milo laid
it up.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, it's a crazy chair, they got it. They're just
saying now twenty points. You right though, Chair, But it's
similar with Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, you're right right now. Listen, I understand the game
of basketball.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
It's a game of runs most of the time, especially
when you when you make substitutes and and things changed
once you know your your second level, your second tier
guys coming the game. But twenty points, I'm thinking you're
supposed to find a way to keep that lead. Used
to be like, you already gave up one game. They
already stole one game from you.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You got to be like that. And then they come
back and he allowed the one person, the one person
that you don't want to.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Shoot the ball smart the ball found. So but you
know what, Ryan and you could attested this. It used
to be like that when you got these big leads,
for the most part, the game was over. But with
that three point shot and there's so many guys that
can shoot it, now you're really never out.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Of a ball game.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
On Joe, we see team be down twenty five, twenty
six points in the first half and lose a team
that's down twenty six twenty points in the third quarter
and lose a ball game.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Because that three point shot is an equalizer.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
So if I hit a couple of those and you go,
you have a couple of bad possessions, a twenty point lead,
I make three threes and two layups. Guess what you back?
That's nine plus four that's thirteen. I've cut the lead
in three minutes down to seven. Hey, listen, we just
saw we just saw a team. We didn't get to
it yet.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
We just saw a team that Liz by the three
died it too by not being able to hit it.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yep, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys the goal
real quick for one. And I don't know how you
feel about this.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
This generations, this decade, San Antonio Spurs is the Golden
State Warriors, got State.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Pewell adapt to who he plays with, he wins with
who's on the floor.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
And y'all just talked about not choking away lead. They
got the lead on the road, step courts in the back,
iceing up. Yeah, they held the ball. That watched Golden State.
Do y'all say, how did they hold them to sixteen points?
And they said, they hold the ball and they shoot
with eight to five seconds on the clots. Now, I'm

(43:39):
gonna give you some credit. Chafters Son, you gay Early,
I'm gonna give you some credit. When you are, I'm
gonna get you some credit. You said he needs to score,
Haliburton needs a score. I think you said the tude
he needs a score to get that type of credit.
I'm gonna give you a guy who scored the ball
and turned his I don't want to say turn his
career rounds, but became a different player.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Mike Malone challenged the Kola yo kitch to score. He
was a right play type of guy. And when he
was challenged, go.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Get Rudy Gobert a fifty ball, a forty ball or
whatever it may be. That changed the polar Yokic. But
Yokic was similar to Holla Burten in the sense that
he was just gonna make the right make the right ray,
make the right place so he could be a guy.
And I hear you, y'all right, it is saying that
for you to get that attention, for you to speak

(44:28):
of you with the jaw and the staff and the
you know, the tatums and everybody, you're gonna have to
go give us that consistent.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Forty ball, that fifty ball when that game is on
the line.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
So you're right, because Jokic Yokic, I'm telling you, man,
when he got aggressive, and that was always my thing
with him, didn't feel like he could score enough. Because
when we game plan for Yokic, you come out and
say you can't give them both.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Either you make him a passer, we blint him hands,
or you make him a score. Yeah, or you make
him a score. You can't let him. You can't let him.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
You can't let him be thirty twenty and fifteen. Because
so he got thirty points and he dissed, got fifteen assists.
You know about five or about five to seven of
those gonna be three pointerers. So now you're at his mercy.

(45:19):
Aaron Gordon hit a game winning three against the Thunder.
There's been a lot of discussion about this today. Ryan,
do you think that the Thunder strategy of filing up
three with Jokic on the bench, that's what I didn't get.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Nicola Jokic Game one, forty two points.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
He had twenty six in the second half, twenty two rebounds,
six assists, two blocks.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
He became only the fourth player in NBA.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
History to have Now he's the fifth, well the fourth
player because Will did it twice forty twenty and five.
Will did it twice, Shaq did it, Yannis did it.
Now Nicola Jokic has done it. Do you like the strategy?
I get the premise, but why would you file the backcourt.

(46:02):
Why would you think the back court right, it.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Was fully because you allow Yo used to get back in.
It's another play that happened that I don't think we
talked enough about. Shay Yios out of Grand and fuck
to the basket. He's wide open, he dunks the ball. Yeah,
you can get those two roubles the.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
High ball.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
They're not talking about that enough with Shaye check Holme Rent.
This is two free tho. Okay, here's the reality. And
we just saw this with Golden State. The teams that
got pressed, the teams that played Game sevens, that Chad,
they came in sharp when you get battle chest and
you came in shark.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Okay see, they had a cakewalk. They walked. The Memphis
met just shut it down, especially when John went down.
They weren't shouted.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
So you're gonna expect Oklahoma City's gonna play better. Dagnall
definitely made some mistakes. And it's tough because I don't
want to talk about it, but Rockets didn't have the
experience and you're looking at okay see and then was
an experienced loss and you can check. I don't want
to say anything bad because Mark has been unbelievable to
see this season series about him this season, but you

(47:08):
do have the challenge and and say, man, yeah you
could have played that different. And they and we're gonna
see everything we need to know about them boys in
game two.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah you look at I mean, the thing is and
they had two big guys and you'll with to work
on them. Both of them had at least five files. Hey, look,
you can't stop it. You just hope you hope you
can make I say, Harden's started in check SE's and
guard bro.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
We're gonna call him the dog. Listen, I'm a skinny
boy too. Okay, that's a bard Bro. He's tall, but
he is guard. He too small to be down there
in the block and the paint. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
You know, he need to go to He need to
go to some fast food restaurant and get him a
couple of burgers and some pries and a shake. Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
You look at Jokic.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
He's second in points first and rebounds first and assists
first and steals what's stop?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
He's look, I mean, what do you say what? And
I said this before, I believe she should win the MVP.
But if you say you get one player in the
NBA I'm taking Nikola Jokic. I'm taking him over Giannis.
I'm taking him over Luca, I'm taking him over Shade.
I'm taking him over anybody because there's nothing that he
can't do. If you need a score, he can go
get you. He averages thirty. You need somebody to rebound,

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he was thirty rebounding. You need somebody to a facilitate assist.
He's second and third of assists.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
What can he do that?

Speaker 1 (48:37):
All these other guys can do nothing, and he's efficient.
Don't look at his shooting percent don't look at his
shooting percentage. He can shoot the three, he got the
mid range. I don't know if I've ever seen a
big guy with I've not seen a guy forget big, medium, small,
with that kind of touch around the basket.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I mean the way with either hand. I mean, I mean,
what do we what do we watch it? What are
we playing here? I mean, if you would try to
try to discredit him, well, he don't play no defense.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Can I guarantee you the guy that he playing, I
guarantee you he ain't putting up those numbers. So unless
he put the number and cancel it out on you.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
I don't talk to me about no defense, right, Damn Dad,
I'm gonna chat.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I'm gonna give you both sides to this. I'm gonna
get I'm gonna give you both sides. Let's play Devil's
advocates in a moment. Okay, if he gets another championship,
which is very realistic, if he gets another championship, as
stick as the NBA is right, we're gonna we're gonna
he's gonna.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Be knocking on that dolt conversation and we just wanna say,
whad go, wait, go there? What position at at center?
At center the greatest of all time?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
You can argue with his numbers and his impact on
the game, he may be the greatest center that we've
ever seen play the game, Chad, because he doesn't like
you don't like the way you talk about you don't
like the way he does.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
You're not used to a guy who cys up over
folk book. You're not used to that guy.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
But if you look at his impact, you look at
his numbers, you can argue he's the greatest city that
we've ever seen right now. Now, his story is yet
to be told, and in this generation, the way he
manipulates the game.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Forgive me.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I talk about the Lufah and Lebron, and he impacts
the game like they do. He's the point child, he's
the point guard. He is in every way the point guard,
the influence on his game. Now, I talk back when
they say he had to play with an All Star,
because he earned Jamal Murray into an All Star at
the end of the day. And I want to challenge

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because if he gets a championship, he knocking on the door,
and if he gets another person who gets bold enough
to say I want to go to Denver and play
with him, it's a different conversation.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Now here's the devil's advocate side of it. He's doing
that in this era.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
If he did that in my era and before he
played with two bigs, we had four power forwards on
the floor on the roster. We have three to four
centers on roster. You didn't have the same type of spacing.
We would have been physical with him. He would have
been back putting into help. They wouldn't have had the
three point shooting of the pace which helps him out.
Guys can lean on him. I don't think he would

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have been that effective. You don't think it was a
game of power and not necessarily for Nett. Now he's
the closest thing we have to our beatis of bonus.
But I can argue and understand both ways. But from
a numbers standpoint, right, or when we argue for Michael
Jordan Wright, you argue that Michael dominated his right. The
closest thing is Joel embiid did Rudy Gobert. Rudy Gobert

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was a three fourth time defense. He drops fifty balls.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Freak go bear. Now Rudy say, I got it. They
putting the pig and Rudy said, I got it. He said, brother,
I got forty seven. What you got? You talk about
you gotta being out of Oh Joe dv.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I got he I don't know help. I got it, bro,
I got ten four bucks, seventy five and two tones.
What you talk about you got me? You gotta get
some help over here. Here's the thing, and this is
very very likely. It's not out of the realm of possibility.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
O Joe.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
He gets two more regular season MVPs. So now he
get two more. That makes it five. As Ryan says,
he gets another finals MVP in the regular season two
finals with the numbers that he's putting up. Now, he
just became the first time of the average triple double.
Let us see kid now, yeah, but hold off eight,

(52:37):
hold on, hold on, y'all, slow down a little bit now,
let's let's think of let's think about this a little
bit now, Ryan, and you.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Say he does get another ring. Let's say he does
with another two m vps. Are we sure we'll talk
about him being the best big man in the center
of all time, even with the centers that we've had,
even the greatest now the Kareem, the Will, the shacks
that come.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
It's so hard to compare errors this, you know, it's
so hard to compare errors. But you have to say, Okay,
Kareem dominated the seventies. Uh, Moses Malone dominated the eighties.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I don't know if who was the big I mean
Shaq for Elijahwan or Robinson in the nineties. But will
Well Will dominated, Will dominated the sixties him here russells
if So it's hard, but it's hard for us to
put the goat, say, a center is the goat for
the civil fact is he needs a guard to get
him the ball. So that's why we kind of we

(53:38):
don't give Kareem here. Kareem is the only guy that
don't get credit for what he's done. He got sick,
he got regular season MVPs. He had the most unstoppable shot.
You can talk about Kobe's fade away, you gonna have
dirt one leg step back here, and KD. You can
talk about Cole, Kobe Midi, but the most unstoppable shot

(54:00):
in basketball history was won Kareem abdul Jabar the skyhook.
Now he won six MVPs. Now think about what was
amazing Back then? The players voted on the MVP. The
players determined who was the MVP. Yeah you didn't know that,
did you ride, Yes, the players voted for the MVP.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Caud, you really got it when you had a respect
to your peers, you really got that. Yeah, he was
that boy.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
He wonted think about it. Magic Magic's rookie year, Kareem
was MVP. So how is that possible?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
The MVP.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
And you win the finals, you win the championship. Magic's
rookie year, Magic is finals MVP. Kareems regularly the MVP.
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Had Kareem not got hurt, Kareem would have been the
finals MVP. Kareem was averaging thirty three and twelve. Go
look it up.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
He was giving work to Carwell Jones and Darryl Dawkins
and they had no answer for but Korean ended up.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Go look it up.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
See I'm old enough to remember that on chore people
trying to try to try to run run game when
you try to put the wool over which can't pull
on up. Because I'm old enough to remember, because I
had to watch the game the next day because back
then the game was take delayed on Joe.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
You couldn't watch it live.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
So the game come on one dat Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Watch it like that.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
You already know who was the game. I'm gonna watch
it anyway. Maybe something happened and didn't they didn't tell
me about it.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
And forgive everyone as we had this conversation, shout out
to that let because we know them. This us, We're
doing this for the simple fact that's sports.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
The debate.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Okay, so let's fancy me and Karine was absolute good
nothing darting, but he didn't put karm and pick her
roll and he sure he sure is dark Karen, there's
no question, but he'd have moved he hadn't got assist,
you know, and Paramas Karema was an athlete. You know,
when we look at it, Giannis, if you said, Karine,
bring the ball up the floor and go through the
letl done that he was that. Still, if we're looking

(56:04):
at Bill Russell, I think the eras are so far away.
I don't even want to spect the game and try
to compare it. But in terms of Shaq, this is
what we can give this a shack Davis.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
But here's the thing. Shaq would have been physical, right,
but Shaq wouldn't have guarded him.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Robert Horry would have guarded Yokic, and Yokic would have
wore we love big shot hold on a shout.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Legend would have had to hold his ground, but Rob.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Would have had to chase him and he'd have got
his numbers, and Shaq maybe maybe would have had to
slide over late. And here's the reality our vitas and
bonus with department in trouble.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
He listen, he.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Wore the Lakers out. He wore the Lakers. So if
that's the indicator of him, and no disrespect to the
big fella, no, none at all. I loved Shaq shackles
On the wall. You know what, question theire He would
have wore that team out. Now, he couldn't guard Shack.
But you look at the numbers, you look at the impact,

(57:04):
and he looked at what he did. Shock is the
most dominant. We don't take that away. But as far
as the impact, that what he would have had. He's
a younger r Vetas now Vetus is more athletic. He
was a couple exes taller.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Beating seven three. People don't realize how tall he was.
He was seven three.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
But by the time he got to the Lakers, he
had spent much of his time with the Unified team,
and so by the time he got to the Lakers,
his needs were bad. He wasn't that or Veta. Could
he passed the ball? Yeah, proud to Yoki. He was
the best passing big man that we had ever seen.
But by the time he got here, he had spent
damn near over a decade just played with the Unified team.

(57:40):
So his knee, his body had started to break break
down on him. Ojo, but he was he was a
tremendous passer. Now he couldn't score the ball like Yoke.
He could not score the ball like yo But he
could pass the ball like Yoke. He'd have the ball
out here and the next thing you know, the guy
coming and he would dump it down to him. He
was a phenomenal player. But the thing that separate rates
Yoke is that from any other big the center is

(58:04):
that he could do it from three levels. Most of
the guys Elijah one had the mid range. He had
played back to the basket. He could play around the rim.
Shot was around the rim. Okay, Kareem could throw the skyhook,
but we've never seen a guy that could shoot the three.
He had the mid range, and he can put the
ball on the floor and finish at the rim, not
not above the rim, at the rim.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
We haven't seen a guy.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
We've never seen a big guy that could do that,
and I don't know if we'll ever see one that
can do that that is stilled as he is right now.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Chad, I want to give you this. And when you
see Yo kicch you know you see him in person.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
He's about six sixth the lap of the seventh feet
for these waters, he's seven what about six to eleven
and seventeen. He's huge, He's and his shoulders are wide.
So he finds off you. When he makes a move
his shoulder he is huge, Yeah, he's huge, bro, and
his arms are lost so he can't junk high. But

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when he put him the ball above his head, when
he's making a move, he's effective. And if you watch him,
he's a lot stronger. He plays a finesse game, but
he's so much stronger than he gets spreaded for. That's
a strong boy right there. So when he's hitting the dolls,
he's not overpowering him. He's an unbelievable coordination and he's
just backing you on the rams and he's looking out

(59:21):
and he's watching you.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
You know, the wildest thing he'll do, he'll watch the help.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
You get a great player who can pass, he'll sit
there and he'll watch the help and as soon as
you pop, he's throwing that neck.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon. He's making those type of plays.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
So I think even from a physical standpoint, he's just
uniquely built with his with his coordination and size.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
And then you think how long, how much he plays,
and no, he's not a great defender. He's a wallup defender.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
He's played more at the level in picking rolls this
year under Mike Malone that I've seen him play and
he will do it first, but it's not something you
want to rely upon.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Wait, I ain't know even that guy, damn tong because
if you look at this work, you look at his
footwork when he's in the post. Hell, but even when
he's out and goddamn space and he put the ball
on the floor, Like, what the hell he?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I'm thinking he about six five six seven, he at
least six to eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
But you see his package though, to be that big,
you see his footwork, to be that big, moving like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah, what soccer? He loves soccer. You look at guys,
look at Luca love soccer. Okay, okay, look at the
lines you want. Grew up playing soccer. That's why he
had the footwork that he had. That's why he doing
all this up and under drops depth. He's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Hold on, I got gonna saw you Ryan, now I
know joking, Jo Joker? Is that that boy? I have
a question, now, y'all chat, don't don't jump on me.
I'm asking a question.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
If Boogie, if Boogie cousins hadn't got hurt, how close
the Boogiey cousins have been Like Joker.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
It's only you say that I played with Boogie.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I played with Boogie, and they have a very similar
skill set because they have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
The why the watch, the wide shoulders.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Now, Boogie wasn't the pastor like him, but as far
as Boogie would phil the double team spin off baits line,
Euro said, Bookie played to play the three. Yeah he
could un if he wanted to Broe Okay everything, Okay, yeah,
book Boogie was good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah he was. He was Bookie. But I think Boogie
is more athletic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Boogie could run, yes, I mean, but it was not
uncommon for Boogie to have fifty twenty games.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Had he not got injured, had he not achilles and
his a c L and all those injuries, he was special.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Okay, I'm give you this. I think the tough thing
with the markets and I played with bo That's one
of my favorite teammates ever. You know, it's Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Bookie is a guy that you see some of the
things he does on the court with his energy, some
of the stuff he said, honestly, he tell you himself
he'd a liked to rail some some of that stuff.
Like off the court, the softest spoken puls do whatever yeah,
I'm saying he did. He ask the moments of bracords
when we heat it or getting into it. Absolutely, but

(01:02:16):
he's a good dude that I loved that dude. And
I will say, you know the thing with de Marcus,
the difference between him and the European game what they
teach here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
You know, when Bookie played his best, he.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Had to be angry, he had to be mad, and
and his emotion got him to that place. And Jokic
early in his career was quiet, calm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
He wasn't that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I'm not gonna ever say he wasn't that good, but
he wasn't. He didn't have like Mike Malone put that
dog in him and for Boogie before he was able
to slow the game down mentally for himself. He ended
up earth injured, as folks said. And it was funny
that when you see guys get to the into the thirties,
get to the age, you know, Holla bird has an

(01:02:58):
old soul, he got an old game. Daddy very well
about playing the game, or whoever coached him coaching very well.
But I remember when I played with KG Chaid. I
don't know if you remember. KG would take shot out
KG the game, and I thought he was crazy. Everybody

(01:03:18):
thought he was crazy. And then we said, and I
remember going up to Ticket and I said, Ticket, I
remember asking him, and he insually put years of my career.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I said, are you pumped up every game? How are
you so tuned up every game? Because you know it's
a young guy. We play on the motion. He played
on the motion definitely at a much higher level than
I did. And KG said, young and what you mean?
I said, I see you do this. You're in a
full sweat and yelling and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
He said, I'm as comments can be, he said, watching
me before the game, I'm taking breaths, I'm breathing, I'm calm,
he said.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Look at me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
During the timeouts, he said, are you watching me, young man?
I said, no, you turned out right, He said, I'm
sitting there breathing. I'm thinking about the game plan. I'm
thinking about the things that we need to go through
to get to So if Boogie had a got to
that point, if he had got that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Veteran maturity, we would be bringing his name to these conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
He just didn't get to that point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
But when you're young US American board players, we would
We play from a place.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Of pain and hurt and passion, and then you get
older and you learn how to refine it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Some of the guys never get to that point in
their careers where they can refine it and play.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Off the mental stability. But a guy like Yo Kich,
he was turned up. He has it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
He knows the game man, so it's it's fun to watch.
Aaron Gordon has been phenomenal to these playoffs. He's averaging
nineteen points a game, seven rebounds a game, shooting fifty
one percent from the floor, and he has two game winners.
He had twenty two points last night and Yoke obviously
had that monster game fifteen to twenty nine. He would
at He had forty two points, twenty two rebounds, six assists,

(01:04:52):
of steal, two blocks, did have the five. He did
have the seven turnovers, but Murray got it going late
in the ball game had twenty one. Kristin Brown had
a level Russ the Russ experience. You know what you're
gonna get. You're gonna get all our effort. You're gonna
get some turnovers, but you're gonna get some steals. You're
gonna get a block, You're gonna get some great finishing,
you're gonna get some air balls, You're gonna get some
big may threes. They needed all of that to offset

(01:05:14):
what they didn't get from Michael Porter Jr. He gave
two points on one of a shooting, and I understand
the shoulder, but bro, you got you can't give him two.
Can't give them too. Because the Thunder had twenty, They
had six guys in double figures. Shaye with thirty three,
Caruso had twenty. Off the bench. You have lou Dort

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four of nine from three, he had fourteen, Isaiah Hartenstein
had twelve. Jaylen Williams had sixteen. He was five or twenty.
He hadn't shot the ball particularly well. Chad Hongren had twelve.
But it was those two miss free throws you and
you could tell, you know, it normally happened like that. Ryan.
You know a guy he you know, I smoked the

(01:05:58):
layup on one and they go that down on another
end and get a three.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
You're like, damn, that's a five points win.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Yeah, Uncle, I love chat. So I don't want to
do this, but the key I don't want to do this,
but I'm gonna do it. The key to beating Oklahoma
City is attacking check.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
So he got no.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I'm not gonna say he's the wing link. But he
hasn't put on the strength. He doesn't have the experience
in the playoffs. Yet he doesn't pay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
There's a play before those miss Fritos and Gordon and
going running the wing. They hit him ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
He goes face to face with Chad and he be
dump he monkey and and oh show you know when
you get leveled.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Yeah, it's so older. Now that chat you crazy. So
you you got knocked out by Ray Lorens, you gotta
talk about you're gonna keep playing. You're gonna keep playing. Yeah,
but when you get dune and and now chick was
messed up since so for him.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
You can be skinny. I was skinny, but I wouldn't.
I don't want to call himself. I think that's disrespectful
to a professional athlete. You gotta know how to hold
your ground, you got it. And that if Boyd's going
up for a dunk, you take that joke out the air.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
You take that joke.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
You know he might he might get an and want
but he ain't dunk yet. Okay, so he is gonna
have to make those plays.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
But when you beat Oklahoma City, and why the Houston
Rockets has success against them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
They were physical and they attacked check.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
If he was guard big Steve O underneath Steve O,
hit the boards, walk him underneath dot a rebound, if
he got a shingle, Shin Goong was right through his chest.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
He didn't even make moves on. He was right through
his chest. So what you're seeing with Oklahoma City in Denver,
whether it's Gordon, whether it's Yokish, they're.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Making it so you can't hide chet shed is an
unbelievable weak side shop like it. If you don't put
your hands on them, he can play in space. In football,
it's like a team. Remember the Coasts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
The Coats had a small secondary, they had small linemen
up front.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
If they got if you were down and they were
rushing you, you couldn't stop them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Just friending the boys, you couldn't stop them. Able to Check.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
But if you could have run the ball and manage
the game and and and attacked Mattison friendy of those guys,
you had a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Because they were small. Oklahoma City is small. So that's
something similar that you're seeing right there. So as I
looked for it. Denver found something that Chris Faffa playing
a Game seven and they had the experience.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
And I said this before I said, whoever wins that
Clippers Nugget series might be coming out the West.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Wow, the volume