Bonus* Conversations About Pursuing Cool

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was talking about sports people. King is from Brandon Roy,
He from Washington. Brandon Roy Brennon Roy from Seattle.

Speaker 6 (02:22):
Seattle, Yeah, from Seattle.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Brandon Roy might have been the might have been the
best hooper from Seattle. Nah, who better than Brandon Roy?

Speaker 7 (02:29):
Nate Robinson Robinson saying better than I'm not saying better
than Brandon Roy though, Nate Robinson Trump, Nate Robinson isn't
he from up there?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
He's not better than Brandon Roy.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
From Seattle, like Brandon Roy and his prime before he
got in jured? Nice?

Speaker 6 (02:52):
Crazy?

Speaker 7 (02:53):
What's good? Joah, what's happening? No, I'm not trying cooland
man and ready for the ready for the ready.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know, I think it's time we doubled back. You
feel me?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
And this conversation became bigger than we wanted it to be,
so I figured like you might as well expound on
it because we wasn't even really tripping off of the
conversation of R and B, but it spawned a whole
other conversation where somebody did the Mount Rushmore. I was like, damn,
didn't really work.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
Great.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
What's the crack hea for Mount Rushmore? That's a great question. Well,
I don't want to do the Mount Rushmore. How'll we
double him back.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well, I just want to expand further on the conversation
because I wouldn't have Mike in R and B, okay.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
Because I want to ask you about that, because when
people ask me about this shit, they was like, so,
what what's the crack here for R and B? And
what's so is Mike R and B? Because I know
you say he's pop, but he.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Makes pop music a lot, but he does have R
and B songs in the earlier stages of his career.
I don't even know if I would say that because
Jackson five is pop? How do we categorize pop though
that's not what we do.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
You're making popular when the goal is to make popular, Okay?
So R and B initially was considered race music, right,
That's what they called it race music because at one
time black people were considered people of race, right, and
white people con themselves of race just them and it
is everybody else but in us, right, So that like

(04:25):
when Wexler made the term R and B, you feel me,
that was a term coin So it was considered black
music R and B. So anybody black making music, I
guess some degree you could say that that's some level
of R and B, like funk would have to be
a descendant of R and B.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I don't think people understand what R and B means,
So can you explain that rhythm and blues? Okay?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Right, So it's like but Lewis Jordan right as being
one of the early founders of it, right, this is
in the forties, but it went through different stages right
in sub genres. Right, so is a derivative of R
and B. So I guess it all is. But pop
music probably could be a derivative of soul, right. Ray

(05:11):
Charles is probably the father of modern modern pop music.
But I just I wouldn't have thought that deep, So
I'm not mad at it. I do think pop music
is black music that white people.

Speaker 8 (05:21):
Make almost wow search stature popularity, no, no, no, And
I think that's just so so when you don't make music,
that's how it feels.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's like whatever goes popular becomes pop music. But some
music was actually created to be popular for the mast
from the beginning, like.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
For everybody, like not just one sector of people, for everybody.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, it's like like like like Kentucky fried chicken was
like soul food for everybody. But I do think Michael
Jackson has R and B songs, but I wouldn't consider
that part of his catalog to be like one of
the greatest R and B catalogs of all time.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Let me ask you a question, what at.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
A certain point in his career, what was what could
be considered R and B after because everything he's don't
put out was popular music everything.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
No, it's different, like because remember the time, right, that's
R and B. That's a new.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
RBN.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
But songs like Thriller, that's kind of pop, right, it's
a it's a play beat.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
It so is Lady of My Life?

Speaker 6 (06:36):
What is what is Lady of My Life?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Lady my Life?

Speaker 9 (06:39):
Is r B?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
For sure?

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, lady that's who you used that? Yeah, yeah, that's
r B like he does have. I mean, it's it's
just so, it's just so weird. Thing is pop derived
from funk? Is that the closest connection you could because you.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Said, no, I think pop the rash from soul?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay, so so music, Ray Charles wouldn't be R and
B the rib from So No, R and B is
the father of soul. R and B is before, So
R and B is before. R and B is the
father of so what.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Would you consider uh uh, little Richard.

Speaker 10 (07:22):
See, I would have thought he was rock and roll, rock,
rock rock. Little Richard is rock because.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
Rock rock was rock was like like we we think
of rock as being the.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
Rock wasn't have to do it. It was a groove
was growing.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
All of these things are really small, nuanced things that
make it different. But I just wouldn't have thought of
Mike as a as a great art like, well, forgive me,
that's not the right time, because he's a great R
and B when he has R.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
And B songs.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
But it's so many dope ass people that have a
bigger and better R and B catalog of music than
Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's not not so many neither that was off the
wall was off the wall R and B album Now
it's post disco like disco. It did R and B songs.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
So but there are talents, right, And that's why we
gotta really look at the eighties and the nineties. I
respect why even that dude's list had that era, because
really R and B didn't become R and B the
way we know it as far as really pure R
and B until the late eighties.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I wonder who would they say, put out the first
R and B album, It's gonna be somebody in the forties,
like Louis Jordan is talking about, Like, Okay, I'm talking
about the eighties.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Though.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
In the eighties when you think it was really blossoming
to the R and B we think of.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Now they consider the first R and B superstar Bobby Brown,
don't be cruel.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's the kind of widely considered thought, at least amongst
people I talked to that fuck with R and B
and he still had rhythm and blues feel to it.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, which is shout out to New York Hallum. You
know what I'm saying, Teddy Riley mm hmm. That's why
I put so much emphasis probably on That's why I
put so much emphasis probably on like, uh, the Key
Sweat Record, the Key Sweat Album.

Speaker 10 (09:18):
Uh, what's the time I'm thinking about the traps?

Speaker 6 (09:23):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's like see.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
So while my favorite R and B album is probably
like like, uh Unpredictable by Jamie Fox, I think the greatest.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
That is so crazy.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Crazy trap that was crazy when he told me that.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
When he told me that too.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
And don't get wrong, because it's not because you don't
have to be the artist like, it's not. Jamie Fox
is more than a qualified artist and sing really well,
he can execute well. He's not bad. He's like a
top tier talent. But that album just is my favorite,
and I wouldn't argue it for being the greatest. I'm
not saying it's one of the GUFA. I'm telling you
what y'all think. This is objective, right, and it's my

(10:13):
favorite in the jam that's not that's a great album.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
This is.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
It goes to that conversation where like when we say,
what's the better album bad or Bad or make it
last favor? And I can tell y'all bet Bad is
a better album than Make It Last fact it is.
Right now that sounds crazy because Bad is obviously Michael Jackson.
It don't mean Keith Sweat is a more successful artist
than Michael Jackson or a greater artist or a better artist.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
But it just means, like how you put it up
for TC, put a number on Bad as a as
a as.

Speaker 10 (10:44):
A record as the bad single is whack. Okay, so
the single bad is whack or it's not bad bad,
it is horrible, But I cannot.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
They shot that video inside of a new York City train.
My mother work that my mother worked the train clerk that.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
You know what I'm saying that.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
I can't believe I'm saying this, But I grew with
glasses man. But that was not good.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
That is whack.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
The single was wack speed I agree to I don't
like that song like that demon is whack.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I disagree, you know, I just so it was great
when I was a little kid.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
When I was a little kid and and that movie
came out and he was racing against that little animated rabbit.
That was like the greatest thing in the world to me.
But as I get older and I'm listening, what what
the fuck is this.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Tripping boss?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Boss?

Speaker 6 (11:36):
They tripping boss?

Speaker 7 (11:39):
I knew.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I knew that video was like as a kid, like
the video.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Was amazing, them getting together and circling each other and
snapping their fingers.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
No, no, I.

Speaker 10 (11:59):
Got you know New York City Train shut the train
station down. Had had had some of the best dances
in the video, like got Crazy Dan was an amazing video.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Growing up in Inglewood, I'm watching this video and I'm like,
you understand that, Yeah, I say, maybe, what is it
to understand?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I didn't get it? I didn't get it.

Speaker 10 (12:24):
Hold on, when you you telling me when you came
to New York you're on the train, didn't think first
thing he thought it was the Bad Hell No, I
had to think about before I thought. I never until
you just said that, I was like, oh man, I
never even thought that.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
That was That was J Street bro or train station
in New York.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
No bad ship I saw on train stations from hip hop.
I would have never in my life thought of Bad.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
That was an amazing video. That was an amazing video.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Look, I'm not mad, I think look I think Bad.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I think Make It Last for Ever is a better
album and a more important album than Bad, and.

Speaker 10 (13:07):
A better album period just music, sheer music. I agree
with you, but again, I.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Mean that ain't to say, but Make It Last Ever
is probably one of the greatest R and B albums ever, right,
I mean it launched the genre and launched the movement.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
It launched a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I mean, Michael Jackson thought Bad was so good he
went and got the producer of Maga Last Ever to do.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
His next album. So Michael Jackson agreed with me.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Shout out to the lunch table that think I'm not
being fair but Michael Jackson agreed. He was like, I'm
not messing with Quincy no more. I'm going to Teddy Riley.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's a fact.

Speaker 11 (13:43):
He was good for that.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
That's not a glasses fact. That's a fact. He did
that so that he saw that Keith Sweat, he saw
that Bobby Brown.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
He was like, I'm going to get one of them.
What we was doing is a thing of the past.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Let's go do this.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
That's how much he thought Bad and Make It Last
Ever came out close to each other. He saw Bad
whooping his ass. Black people wasn't fucking with Bad. He
saw make It Last Forever whooping his ass. Because Megan
Last Forever is better than Bad. I've been saying this
for years people. The fact that people even marking Crazy.
I don't think you as a song the album.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
It's an album.

Speaker 11 (14:25):
Oh no, I'm not rolling.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
As he check out now you're saying the song for
two years about this man and girl, it's better than
any song gonna make It Last Forever. I'm not rolling,
not Bery and Girl.

Speaker 10 (14:41):
Nigga's a volunten song of the album.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I Want Her. It's better than every song on Bad. Yeah, man,
I have to agree. That I want her. It's better
than every last song.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
On Bad Bad.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
That's overrated guys very much.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
So are you saying you're saying Bad is the best
R and B album of all time? No, not Bad
Bad Bad. I mean, I mean make a last feather.

Speaker 10 (15:11):
No, that's that's his Confession A better Confessions.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
I forgot? Is it better Confessions?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
No? No, no, no, no it's not better. No it's not.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
But I prefer Unpredictable over Confessions. Even though Confessions is
a greater album.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Does that make sense? Yeah, like it's obvious that album.
But you know again we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, no, because I feel like, uh, off the Wall
a better album than Thriller, But I think Thriller is
the greater album.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, that's and that's what we talk about. The quant
to find greatness.

Speaker 11 (15:58):
I ain't mad at that.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
No.

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I think R Kelly and Us should really have a
claim to be on there.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
They really do.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Like R Kelly easily could be there all time, Like
that wouldn't even be crazy, Like I wouldn't even debate
someone saying that R.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Kelly is the grad is R and B actor. It's
R Kelly like he's a monster. Can I ask you
a question, though?

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Do we sleep on babyface when we start talking about
this R and B My first.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
One, because we talk about artists.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Are the only artist his pets.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And he's a nice R and B artist talking about artist,
and yeah, I get him.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
R Kelly and Usher really has a claim to probably
be the greatest R and B act. But my issue
is Michael Jackson's claim is not stronger than Stevie Wonder's claim.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
If we talking about artists, if we just straight up artistry. Yeah,
then Michael Jackson's claim is stronger than Stevie.

Speaker 12 (17:37):
I don't know, man, because I think how Stevie Wonder
wrote and produced for Michael Jackson too. But we said
what we're talking, We saying this artist though, I'm saying
that Michael Jackson's artistry baby Face back in the conversation.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, yeah, Chris Brown on that list, Michael Jackson. I'm
not quite sure as far as just pure R and B.
I'm just saying not pure R and B like you know,
and again, like we can kind of say pop is
a is a subgenre of R and B because it's
a sub genre of soul. But I probably would, like

(18:10):
it's hard for me not to imagine the world without
songs in the Key of Life.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's my favorite album of all time right there.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
That's really tough, Like that's the that's kind of the jit,
Like that's R and B and soul like kind of
the pinnacle, you know what I mean, somebody really using
black music.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
So when does R and B change? I think R
and B the way we see it is really in
the eighties. Okay, that's what you were saying, coach.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Because I think we look at a lot of other
stuff before, as all of the the originals were kind
of fixing every like they were kind of starting to
experiment with everything.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
So what changed in R and B in the eighties
It just got pure.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I think they changed it to contemporary army where it
started kind of being obviously just that.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
They say.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Ratchet this to R and B two though, like I
think it kind of made R and B a little
more edgy in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, I got a little more edgy.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
So I'm not upset at that, but I just couldn't
imagine the world without Stevie Wonders songs in the kid life.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I think that's one of the most important.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
And if that's the case, then we are we If
we putting Michael Jackson in there, then we have to
put prints in it. So we're gonna put them all
in there. It's gonna be really tough for.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Excuse me, it's really tough for Chris Brown, and it's
really gonna start being tough for us, You're and R Kelly,
because now if you're just gonna take all of this
black music, you know that came from R and B,
and you gotta put Prince now do R Kelly got
an album as great as let's say, Purple Rain.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Probably not, that's who R Kelly. Probably that Double.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Purple, that Double Us City called the game Trap was
all right, it was called all He thought he got
another one. I thought it was all.

Speaker 7 (20:11):
One that was read in black, the one that was
read in black, the double CD joint, everything about twelve
play two.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Because I know he got one with like thirty thirty
songs on it, and the only problem a bunch of
great songs on there. Well, in thirty songs, you're going
to have about six or seven of them that we're
just and I think that Purple Rain, Man the Rain
was a great album.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
So I'm saying, so this becomes my problem.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Right, It's like, okay, if we're not gonna try to
do pure R and B and it just becomes R
and B and all sub genres, you're gonna have a fight.
It's gonna be some records in there that probably ain't
even just black artists exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Oh that's crazy. I was gonna ask that question.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Was known as race at first, that take white people
out of the conversation altogether.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
I think it brought race. I think it brought white
people into the conversation when they changed it to R
and B so.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
You could throw Have you ever heard of an artist
named John Billion?

Speaker 11 (21:14):
Of course, that's one of my favorite artists.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Bro Okay, I love John Billions.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I really don't like the only white singers I like.
I can't say that. I don't really consider most white
people really good singers. I think people sing really good
for white people. I think if you listen to have
like like Tina Marie Sings.

Speaker 10 (21:35):
Is Cold, Hall of Notes, Darryl Hall, some of these dudes, like,
it's some that really get cracking.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
But I just saint Finnish like Mariah Carey.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's out forgive me, Bobby can't. I've got a couple
of songs Bob in there. Bob got that tone. But
like that's my point. So Michael McDonald, yep, yep, Michael,
see like you have to start putting Michael McDonald, dude, brother, you.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Start talking some shit gonna get crazy.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
I don't think we go all the way back, like
you said, you might have to start with in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Start at the eighties.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Shout out to Mark Gear, Shout out to everybody at
the lunch table. Everybody cooking early because is like, oh,
were on this conversation. I knew this conversation is gonna
be crazy. Softie, what's up?

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Eight?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
And age fast? Boss? What's up? Rough Squish? Thank you
for being here? V? What's the deal? Bro?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Joey Westside, thank you for moderating, Santy Squisch Lext what's
shut up?

Speaker 11 (22:33):
Next?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I expect you to call in on this conversation. Boss.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I know I'm gonna piss you off a little bit,
but just work with me. Yato name, what's happening?

Speaker 11 (22:41):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
What's the deal? We're gonna get to it.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Let me get going because there's a lot of people
cooking at the table, so I can't go through all
the names. Thank y'all for being here because we're trying
to work it out. Trying to work it out. No,
I think Mariah is a great singer for like a
white person.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Shit ladies, man, come on.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
You no like you know what I mean? No, she's
the no, So.

Speaker 11 (23:12):
I see what you are.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Ryan can't saying I never see highlight that comment.

Speaker 11 (23:17):
Ro can't.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Nobody here said I did not see.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
You said Brandy can't tell? You said Brandy can't.

Speaker 10 (23:23):
The other day I did not say Brandy the mnus, well,
you might as well said that.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
You might as well said that.

Speaker 10 (23:30):
No, I did not say Brandy said she was a seventh.
You said she was assessing and she was an eight.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Same thing, it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's Wheeney Houston and Many Rippleton is tens. Okay, so
that's cap.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
So when Winnie Howston is a ten, what's cap Miny
Rippleton is like a seven?

Speaker 6 (23:54):
No, no, no, no, no no, no, coach, coach, coach.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I know you don't know that, but I had to
go back. I had to go back and listen to
many like you talking about a ten. She's not what
is wrong with your ears? I'm talking about vocally, she's
not a ten like she had a great song.

Speaker 11 (24:15):
Let let's.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Let him cook for let him cook for a while.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Women, six six mini Rippleton vocally is a ten. Ripper
ripper ten is attend to you what vocally?

Speaker 11 (24:32):
Finish your thought? And then I'll expound.

Speaker 12 (24:34):
No, I'm I'm asking, yeah, yeah, yeah, anywhere it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
So women, what song? What song was she? Vocally? So
great on.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
That last he got he Got touched the memory?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Just play loving You, I do play.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
It's one of her best songs, and what are ya
getting from that to where she's a ten?

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Vocally?

Speaker 11 (24:56):
She had a whistlebody else and music that she had
a whistle.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Nothing, nobody, nobody else in music can do it.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
I knew it.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I knew that what y'all thinking all the way Mariah
carry and in that case the Malaya's for sure. But
Maria is not Many. That's the problem with your This
is like me watching basketball. You're watching basket. I look
at somebody cross over and notice it's just across over.
You see the Nuances is a ten?

Speaker 10 (25:24):
Many carry cannot hold nothing is Diana Russell.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Then also, here we.

Speaker 11 (25:30):
Go, I got this is how I got out of
the pocket last week because you just.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Out of control and so and so I said, it's
only crazy and not many, not one of them.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Many, for sure. Every single will tell you Mini's a ten.
Every single breathing air will tell you.

Speaker 11 (25:51):
Every single will tell you Brandy is a ten too.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Yeah, okay, so okay, so exactly so, And I gotta
go with six on that.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
If many rippertains attend, Brandy can't do what many does.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
She can't whistle, Okay, cool, it's not She's singing, all right,
that she can't whistle.

Speaker 11 (26:10):
We can't.

Speaker 12 (26:11):
We can't say like just because this person can't do
like they don't have the exact they don't have to
have the exact same skill set to be a ten.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I agree all the time, Like what is happening?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
I know, I'll tell you all the time because you
pay all the diversity and I'm telling you it's not
You could do one thing and be the best at
it and be a team. I'm not like Anita Baker
is probably the closest to a tend but it's all low.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Octive and I do I agree with that. Or you
could have a top octave right like like Bobby de
Barge right and switch. I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
But I'm just saying if, but if you're going to
call many Ripperton attend and there's some other people that
you left out, then.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
That no, you just have bad ears.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm saying, you don't know way you can listen to
many Ripperton and don't think to yourself that realized this
is kind of like a one.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
I think that she's a great I think she has
great songs, and she don't really.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Have She don't really have a lot of great songs.
Are great, a great song. You talk about her vote
vocally as a monster. She's like a real deal vocalist.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Okay, cool, cool cool. I think she does that one thing.
I think she's in her lane. She got her lane
and she does that very well.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
That's the thing. She don't have a lane. Hers is variety.
Mm hmm. She she covered the spectrum. She like yo,
Lebron James. What anyway, she's like a spectrum. My ears
are bad, man, Let's move it on there. That's cool.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Apparently all y'all think she's a ten, so I'm out.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's that's a cracking pa Bell is probably a ten.
Pal Belt is a ten team for sure.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
But but the point I was making was, this is
a real weird conversation because we're trying to decide.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Are we calling everything in R and B?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Since since all of the sub genres right, which could
be sold, which could be pop, which could be funk,
which could be all of these things kind of come
from the original rhythm and blues once you got past gospel.
So it's like, even when I look at a Michael Jackson, right,
it's like Michael Jackson made more pop songs and R
and B something me wrong. His R and B songs

(28:23):
is fire right, But I'm just saying it's people that
have really dope pop some and he's one of them.

Speaker 12 (28:38):
Who's your top five white soul singers?

Speaker 7 (28:42):
You know, he don't toe into that. He don't toe
into that too much as that one. You know, I'm
toning to that too much. They don't carry souls, so
he ain't gonna listen to that, right, am? I?

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Right? Am? I? Right?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Glasses? My favorite five soul singers white one?

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Only so many white people were sold it is it
favorite five white songs? Okay, so personally my favorite five,
right is is Daryl Hall. Daryl Hall got the best
voice of any white person ever. I fucking love Darryl Hall. Boys, Daryl,
I wish I actually sang like Daryl Hall. Darryl Hall

(29:23):
is the ship Number two. Remember Daryl Hall?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Clip this please? I think you did, because it's gonna
be really tough like number two. The Little Lady out
of It that Rick James put on Tina right, tanum reed?
For sure, that's that's the real deal. Okay, Now, just voice.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Bobby called, well, he ain't got that many songs that
I really jam. But Bobby called withell voice is fire
m right. Number four is Michael McDonald mm hmm, best
voice and soul, put some soul in there.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
And number five Elton John m hmm.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
Okay, Phil Collins or nothing. I think. I think, I
say George Michaels some ship like.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
George on that man, No Elton John, el Jonathan.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
Go out and go.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I don't really think that's how I like. Like listening
to Brian Carey is like listening to like a diet
version of Minnie Riperton. They always called it a little
that's missing when she goes up there, it's like a
soul that's missing.

Speaker 11 (30:45):
Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
That's my five favorite white soul sing They got sould.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So no female white females. You just okay, you don't
mess with that. He don't mess with that. He don't
mess no, no, no, no no no. A Dale is
cool for like a white singer.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
Mm hmman song.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
If her sisters sang like Adele, I wouldn't even listen
to her.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Hey, let me ask you, where were you? Where's like
every sister walking down? Where'd y'all put Celine Dion vocally?

Speaker 7 (31:17):
You can sing for a white lady, Yeah, I'm a
glass on that one.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
What was the Mexican girl back in the days he
used to sing Selena?

Speaker 6 (31:26):
Talking about what's Selena? No no no coming no no no,
no no no.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
He's talking about talking about Lera who to be cracking
for white man. I was talking about the incredible.

Speaker 10 (31:42):
Some of it.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Look some of them white ladies, white lady.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
But all these, all those white ladies you just named,
are are what you're talking about as far as know.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
So they don't they got so they got sol for
like white people. Yeah, white people. So white people, they
don't sound like.

Speaker 10 (31:55):
Got sold Tina Tina, Tina, Tina got it is bad.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
That's a bad motherfucker. That's that's tinam Ree is the
real deal. Yeah, ain't nobody gonna play with Teena Marie.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
That's real. I like wine House voice shout out to
the lunch tape. I like Amy, that was cool. I
feel like.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Listening to Amy wine House like like a very diet
light minute made version of like.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Nina Simone. I was thinking the same thing. That's a
second jazz, Like.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I think the thing that's that's what it feels like
when I listened to uh, Amy Winehouse.

Speaker 11 (32:42):
It's like, yeah, what about Robin Think.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
I like Rob Robin Think is a dope white singer.
You can sing, period, but that's for white people. He's
gonna be like a nine now on just black singers,
he like a six.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I know you gonna kill me for this. But j T,
that's like.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
J was a better singer until he got on the
stage with Brian mcnott.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, you realize it. Yeah, it was different, Like j
T was a good singer than Brian.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
He they did.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
You know, they got a song together, they got the
stage of performing. I was there alive, and it was different.
It was idam he can't even say that.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, you don't want to see That's what I'm saying
with like John, Beyonce is probably like a seven or eight.

Speaker 11 (33:36):
If Brian you're gonna get drugged for that. I know from.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
About I think she's an We just said vocally no six.
Do you have inside information on Beyonce?

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Like is she what is she? Vocally? Beyonce?

Speaker 11 (33:51):
I don't really listen to Beyonce to be honest, I
never heard the album or anything. I've only heard singing. Yeah,
I never listened. I never was drawn to her musical that.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
So you heard one plus one.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Though I'm thinking Beyonce is somewhere. Like I said, I
think she a lot stronger than everybody. To get me
credit for, I.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Think Beyonce is underrated as a singer though yeah I agree.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
It might be closer to her nine and you think.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
That could be true, but she don't do the songs
to exercise where she could go.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
She also kind of stay controlled.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
So after walk, Rihanna is not an eight bro, that's.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
The bos nigga.

Speaker 11 (34:36):
Rihanna is a little bit. Rihanna is a little better
than Cassie.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
You said that.

Speaker 12 (34:41):
In fact, she was a little better than Cassie. Yeah, yeah,
see that's a hot take.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
And I get wide, bro because as a fan, y'all
feel like y'all listen, like we kind of really listened
to it. Like if you thought Rihanna was an eight bro,
your fucking taste is horrible.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
That's crazy. Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Like now, Rihanna as an as a female vocalist as
excuse me, as a female actor, great act, She's an
amazing act, but not vocally, bro, No before, it's not diabolical.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
T bods is a four? No six? Is you can
sing at a six, like you get cracking at a six.
Cracking out of six is crazy.

Speaker 11 (35:25):
Heard boy singing, I'm about to put her up.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
I think a unique voice though.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I think that's her selling point, her unique voice.

Speaker 13 (35:34):
Yeah, that's what it was. Eight and nine. She get
up there, so yeah, I have to listen a little
bit more. She gets listen.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Whitney Houston and many Riperton are teens, right, that's that's great,
Like you know, I mean, it's people up there too.
So if you're Whitney Houston, you're t bos. That's what
you have to compare. H.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
But you don't need agree with Whitney.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Uh, you don't need to be like like see, when
I think of R and B, I think of people
like Luther Vandraws, people that really just sing, hm, they
don't really like. Luther Vandross is a ten vocally like
Luther Van Draws is a ten. Everybody know Luther Van

(36:30):
not argument between no human beings that no. Luther Vandross
vocally is a te Luther Luther. Everybody know Luther Vandras Tu.
You ain't got to look at nobody. Marvin Gay is
a ten.

Speaker 11 (36:41):
I just listened to T boys.

Speaker 12 (36:43):
Yes, how fast I clicked back to the to the
part right, you just listen to t balls.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
What would you give from me?

Speaker 11 (36:51):
Like five?

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Six? Thank you? That's what it ain't I said, it's four.
I said like five six? Or is? I think? Okay?
I mean, but that's your that's your opinion, Yeah, because because.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
You gotta have space in the middle, like, right, where's
Tina Marie?

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Teana Marie is seen them? Damn near might be a
nine bro right, So then think about how good Tina
Marie is compared to teapots. I mean, yeah, that's what's
the five point? That's what five like. It's not about
three points, about bout five points like them big three
points though. Okay, let's go seven eight, Let me think,
let me think I got you. Who's that?

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Uh Tony Braxton? Okaye, where'd you put Tony?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Tony might be like a you might be like eight
and a half Tony Braxton eight and a half?

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Nine?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
You know what, I'm not mad at that?

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Locally eight you can track.

Speaker 10 (37:57):
Yeah, I gotta go out to vlast is, where would
you put Alicia Keys?

Speaker 6 (38:03):
Six?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
That's a good question seven seven, eight, seven because she
can even relate them goddamn piano course, mm hmm. She
kind of just she like really sneaky good too, like
Alicia Keys vocally is sneaky good. Do you think only

(38:25):
a seven or eight I got? I have to really
listen to a seven or eight.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Let me ask you a question because I thought about
something that we talked about yesterday. Do some people, because
they're such good performers, get that taken away from their
their their performance vocally?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I think Michael Jackson is one of those people.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Because, like I said, Mike, what about Prince vocally than
we think he is?

Speaker 6 (38:49):
Prince is great vocally, though Prince s different actors like
Prince is Crazy just live.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Like twice Prince Prince is different. You see, he's Prince.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
And Alicia Keys are kind of like close. I don't know,
that might be pushing I need to.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
A Prince live.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Prince vocally was flawless, old flaws bro it was crazy.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
Change is active.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
The way he's singing, you're saying, he's saying many different
ways though.

Speaker 10 (39:20):
The Princess crazy professional one of the team.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
You get Prince seven seven, You got.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
Prince in the same realm as Alicia Keys.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, they do the same thing. Actually, what you think
about that? Trapping six.

Speaker 11 (39:39):
Wow that I don't agree with Prince nine eight and
a half.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
You know, no, he's not a nine. Wait man, so
six you say no to a nine or eight or
seven or eight? Prince vocally?

Speaker 11 (39:54):
No, I'm saying no to seven.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Oh okay, seven or eight? That's what I said. What
you what you gotta? Uh king by the eight.

Speaker 7 (40:03):
And a half.

Speaker 10 (40:05):
Hmm, came my man, let's don't sing da.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
He's different, his different vocally. He is nice, but he's not.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
I think he's one of those guys who performed so
well that where you you forget how.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Good you know?

Speaker 10 (40:26):
It's not Michael Jackson is. That's my problem. And Michael
Jackson I think better, a better vocalist, and I feel.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like losing your fucking mind.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
It's cool, you got you got Stevie. It's close.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
You got Stevie.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Vocally, the same place, the same place with Prince and
Lisa Key.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
Is not with them being come on stop that.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Sneaky, really really good, bro. She has a good control,
she has good range. She's not I'm telling you she
a lot sneakier good than you could imagine that.

Speaker 12 (41:16):
I gotta come through soon, and we got to spend
like an hour or two and I got I have to.

Speaker 11 (41:23):
I gotta train your ear to show you what you
need to be listening to.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Got you that's fair. You know you do it. You're here.
I know, no, you gotta do it. But but I
think it's fair for me.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
No music.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I don't think it's music vocally. I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I don't think it's a disservice to say Stevie Wonder
is an eight vocally. That's not I'm not disserve it's
not a disservice to him or because really, their calling
card is not necessarily the.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Performance I say.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I think they're calling card is the fact that these
are some of the ad as musicians ever ever that
could actually sing me as.

Speaker 12 (42:04):
I think, Prince, I mean, I think you you have
to go listen to my bad coach. You gotta go
listen to Stevie Wonders vocally on the live version of
Ribbon in the Sky where he's emulating the instruments that
are playing at the end in the band Nigga that
vocal performances out of it.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Again again, I'm not I'm not again, I'm not stuck here.
I'm just saying if you're asking me, this.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Is my thought.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Now again, I could go do this, do a deep
dive and realize I was tripping this.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Niggas as good as you gets? What about Smokey Robinson
seven eight.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
You got? You got Donny Hathaway.

Speaker 11 (42:50):
Yes, he's a tough crowd everybody.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
When I listened to you sing.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
Bro like I want to him, you got down.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Eight eight nine is nice.

Speaker 6 (43:05):
I ain't mad at that.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
See like I like Bobby. The bars is a ten
one gear. Right, here's the question six I got you?
Where's Berry White vocally?

Speaker 11 (43:20):
Oh that's a good one vocal I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I probably they canna play with these. I respect.

Speaker 12 (43:31):
From your neighborhood. I'm not doing the twins from the
Whispers coach.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
No, no, no, I'm going back to Burrial fast.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
Look at Joey Webside, said Joey Weside, the tent from Bothy.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
That's not bad. Seven and a half at bad. I'm
not mad at that. Okay. When from the Whispers day
that's some bad one. They get cracky.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
They solid what's funny is Rothel is my favorite vocalist
as far as male vocalist. Well, obviously there's a couple,
but ro is my I've listened to more Rotha music
than any other male vocals.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
This is where you get people fucked up, though, because
you give all these other singers seven's and six and
ship and then you be like.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Jamie Fox unpredictable.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
That's crazy, crazy.

Speaker 10 (44:31):
Because you don't need to have a ten for you
to be my What really they are? How they make me?

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Number?

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Does it get? Ro Probably a seven?

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Eight?

Speaker 1 (44:44):
And then I'm like, go ahead, go sx my.

Speaker 12 (44:47):
Nigga Gavin from Third Story, who don't get no claim
to fame as a ten vocally and nobody probably.

Speaker 11 (44:54):
Even heard of them. But I put that with anybody, hm, anybody?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, I have to think about it.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I think it like I think my my rating system
makes sense because I'm judging just singing, Like you don't
have to be the greatest singer to be my favorite. Again,
Like I'm like, Michael Jackson is a way greater vocalist
than Keith Sweat, but Make It Last Ever is a
better album than Bad.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
But I think a lot more goes than making a
great album than just vocals exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
So that's why I don't think what I'm saying it's
crazy you know what I'm saying. Whitney Houston is one
of the greatest.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
It's probably the greatest female vocalists ever. And I don't
play none of her songs. I wouldn't be caught dead
playing with me.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Why not weekly, I just.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
Don't care about the records they come on. I want
to dance with.

Speaker 6 (45:48):
Somebody, never traver right one too.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
I want to have about that ship is the ship? Yeah,
I would never remember that line of Richie, you don't
play all night long?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
A lot of ches with the commodoors and maybe hello
hey all night long?

Speaker 6 (46:11):
Only I got one for you, bro, what's Teddy Pendergras.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Line?

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Just could start making pop music? He start competing and
and I respected that.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I just I don't thriller, Bro.

Speaker 11 (46:26):
I just saw something this morning, Bro, I gotta send
it to y'all. It was one I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I don't play thriller either. Yeah, I don't play thriller
like I sometimes when I do either, I don't play
bad or Thriller.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Off the wall, off the wall that that get played.

Speaker 11 (46:47):
Yeah, tankers are ten. Tankers are ten vocally for sure.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
And you know what that was new when you said that,
that was news to me. But but if you you know,
if you.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Heard I'm saying you heard it, he might know like
that that is news to me, you say the expert.

Speaker 7 (47:03):
That's why these all these plaquis R and B.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Nigga, I'm a rapper locally.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Tank is ten a ten Yeah, because when I started atas,
I was like, Okay, but he got inside information.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I think I think he's.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Talking about his professional skill set as a singer. It's
still like an execution, like Tank ain't no.

Speaker 12 (47:31):
Goddamn professional skill set because I always look at it.

Speaker 11 (47:36):
I always look at it this way right.

Speaker 12 (47:37):
I've had people over the years call me and say, Yo,
I'm with so and so with this girl. Whatever she
could sing, you want to hear a sing? And I'm
like no, because you being able to sing in front
of me or sing on the phone don't mean you
can go in there and make a record.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, but that's singing. We're not talking about to make
a record.

Speaker 12 (47:56):
But I'm saying, like, I don't look at Tank's ability
to go in and uh to make a record professionally
based on that that nigga can stand on the corner
just like she stand in the corner.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Okay, I don't know, g man, I heard somebody talk
to me about it yesterday too. I sing it like
really singing. She stood, don't think like She started, bringing
me through the history of he was a backup singer.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Started. She started, I'm.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Gonna show you.

Speaker 11 (48:25):
I'm gonna show you when I pull up on you
show me.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yep. I got to pull up on Tank and just
make him just go, get cracking, nigga. So get cracking.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Real nigga real, Like a lot of my stuff is
not considered the greatest thing. No no, he's not. No, no,
And this is my problem. And this is why I
won't let you say that ship six see the type
of ship that's happened. But that's what is different than yours.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Though you need to say somebody's a ten. You gotta
sing as good as Luther. Luther is his standard. I mean,
if you're gonna say it.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Like I'm like, you gotta sing as good as these people.
You don't have to sing just like them, but it
has to be as good as him. So like Tank,
I thought Tank is more than a qualified sacre. I
think Tank get cracking. I would have thought Tank is
an eight or something seven eight. He understands music, he
understands equipment instruments, He know how to do all of
that shit.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
He tough.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
But I wouldn't have thought the niggas saying him and
Luther on the corner, it wouldn't be no motherfucking battle.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I don't know what the hell six talking about Luther
would blow.

Speaker 12 (49:31):
I didn't say nothing about Luther, nigga, you just made
him he is six. But that's your criteria. You Luther
is your standard, not mine.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Is Luther not a team?

Speaker 11 (49:42):
Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
Can I Can I say this though?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Can I say now that six six is saying this
shit A classes in this Luther talk? Is just want
you to say Luther. I'm just gonna say this, man.
That's why I looked at him early.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Luther is cool, is tight, Luther's don't average no disrespect
from about Luther. But I don't know if if lutheran
Tank staying on the corner. I don't know if Luther
just killed Tank. I'm gonna be honest with you, man.
After listening to Tank, listen to Luther. Luther is done.

Speaker 11 (50:14):
Just go listen, bro.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
You gotta understand nothing you could listen to. That's gonna
be close.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Because Glass has got those he got some old people
in his head that he just he just they on
that that pantheon for him.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
But so you're saying, Luther van Dross don't deserve what
I'm saying. See he gonna try to get me saying
that's what you want to say, though you're saying matty
much every other sake, Luther van Dross is one of
the greatest vocalists to ever exist. Luther, is there true Luther?

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Okay, I don't want to say nothing too bad, but.

Speaker 11 (50:49):
That's all you did last.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Week, and I just asked questions about that. People probably
talking bad about him all the time. Is Luther operted? No,
this is your fault six I know No, you did know,
so you know you did Bush. I'm a seven year old.

(51:11):
This is why. This is why I staying on it.
So I don't have this.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
I'm a seven year old. I don't I'm asking a
question somebody. I'm just is Luther overrated?

Speaker 11 (51:21):
No, not that, not even close to overrated.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Okay, So so is he rated properly then? Or is
he he's right where he needs to be at Luther,
that's one of the greatest this is Luther is a.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
It's for me.

Speaker 12 (51:38):
Ago because my thing is this, like even Luther could
be a twelve, like Whitney could be a twelve those.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Type of things. Is that measurement.

Speaker 11 (51:50):
But some of these players are in their own realm, bro.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Like, But they have to be able to sing as
these people in these realms to be a ting.

Speaker 12 (51:58):
That's why, men, let me ask you this. Are you
saying that the people that you have as eights male
singers don't have the ability to do what the tens
do vocally?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
They can have the moment what you mean, they got him,
so they deliver sometimes, but a ten is a ten
every time, Like Luther is Luther Van draws no matter
how you slice it.

Speaker 11 (52:28):
Somebody said, what would you rate James Brown?

Speaker 12 (52:29):
Come on, oh no, James Brown good singer.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
He was on his Godfather soul Ship. He kind of
got a unique tone. He's an underrated singer. To me,
he could sing. But you can't go funk James Brown
because obviously he wasn't singing at that point that nigga
was just shouting her.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
But Josh, this is what you do to you though,
Like g y'all be saying, I'm baiting.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
You know what what you start calling me coach? This
is dark, This is dark, this is dark. Beata right here?
Does he do his baiting really? Fly?

Speaker 5 (53:11):
And I just come out and asked my question. GV
wanted you to lead yourself into some bullshit little sneaky ship.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I have a constant, so like I'm okay with saying
him because I have to stand on him. So then
I don't want to wake up one day and find
somebody else. So we're talking about R and B.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I don't want to say somebody's a tin and they
can't sing with somebody that's a tin. Billy Holliday, I
love Billy Holliday. I take a little bit more time.

Speaker 12 (53:41):
Just so I'm trying to gain a better understanding. So
Luther is a ten yep, what's the equivalent on the
hip hop side as Luther.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
I just listen to hip hop ain't just about talent
like that. Hip hop is still like a street urban
cultural movement, so like it's not just it's not just
dependent on talent per se, Like like it's just not
the same.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Hip hop is different.

Speaker 11 (54:23):
So you don't got no ten on.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Hip hip hop music is actually not good.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
I don't say that brow but just like you know,
I stand on it.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
You need me to.

Speaker 12 (54:42):
In the realm of like how we're judging singers on.

Speaker 11 (54:47):
Their ability to sing.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
I mean, if you heard me, Hey what I want
to do something freaking to you and then go listen
to than you don't notice the difference musically, like.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Think is bad? What well? I think on a pantheon
of music right now, just straight music. Doctor Dre wouldn't
tell you G thing is on the same level as
Leon Haywood. I want to do something for you said.
It's not on the same level. It's not even in
the same arena. G Thing is not good. I think
hip hop at the whole the music is just all

(55:16):
of it is. Maybe the best is like a six.
All hip just the music. It's a D. I mean
an instrumentation of the music.

Speaker 7 (55:26):
Okay, okay, all right, all right, you know what you're
talking about, because the message.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Hip hop, the whole, the whole package is what makes
it like a thirty. But the music part of it
is just a D. It's under there. Yeah hell yeah, Okay,
Like the best is like a C. So it's a seven, yeah,
like a seven.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Yeah, do you have any acts that you think are
higher than the seed that kind of hold up the
you know, get it up to the scene.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
So to just mute like, is there somebody hip hop
that make music good? White? Fuck?

Speaker 7 (56:00):
No, let me tell you why hip hop is not
that right there, because the creation, the creation method of
hip hop has to has to be put up there
more more than what you're saying. It is though, because
the fact that you can take anything making it hip.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Hop the creation method. Forgive me trap. I don't mean
to cut you off. Thereat don't matter when it comes
to hip hop. Like the music were talking about. That's
what makes hip hop special. That's like asking it's soul
food healthy. Like what makes hip hop special is the
fantas you can. You could take anything and make it
into hip hop.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
Cherry.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
You could take the only black music.

Speaker 10 (56:40):
Like we're we're comparing to other really talented black me
I've never heard of hip hop song the music and thought, man,
this is like Arry White.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So hip hop music is not good for you artist.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
No, No, soul food don't have to clog the arteries.
I just think you're comparing musicians.

Speaker 10 (56:58):
I get you you can do I give it you're
saying no because it.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Better than all music.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Okay, Tramp, So let me get this from you too,
is that you also think hip hop a musically is
a DP No.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
The reason why, the reason why understand, the reason why
Undertarily's saying though, is because, like I said, you could
take anything make it's a hip hop, but it doesn't
become hip hop to the lyrics can put on it, though,
So you know what I'm saying, So it doesn't become
so you could take like you said, I want to
do something freaky to you, doesn't become hip hop until
Drey and Snook it's on the beat. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying like that, So that's what. So it's

(57:32):
like it's almost like.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I'm not I'm not saying the presentation of a hip hop.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Hip hop records can have records from people with any
record in any genre music, but it's the complete presentation
because the music is make do right. It's like making
the best out of some ship you really don't know
how to do. When you put your ship on that ship,
you present it. How much power is anything I've ever

(57:58):
seen in music? Any talking about like g thing is
is powerful?

Speaker 7 (58:02):
Us?

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Very white very White, first, last, and only. So hip
hop music is the most powerful music it is.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
It's probably so, but it's because it's it's more things
that connect to poor people, like making do always work
better with humanity and things of like overspent and producer.
I mean, because I think humans can connect to trying
to make the best side of circumstance.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
But hip hop the music itself, like if you play.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
G thinking next to leon Man a change and I
want to do something freaky is so motherfucking cold bro
before going to what dre sample to be the wash?
That shit is incredible like music like I listen to
very White almost every day. Dog you hear that shit?

Speaker 6 (58:50):
Oh you like?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Oh, this ain't necessarily music.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
So so when hip hop artists take okay, so I'm saying,
like the stuff that they use musically is better, or
when hip hop artists get on it, it makes it
more powerful.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Because because hip hop is really about the cultural approach,
like it's a get out and in the present now Again,
I don't know a hip hop instrumental that's even in
the same vein as some of the best songs and
other genres of music music right, like like Biggie Hypnotized

(59:24):
cannot fuck with herb Albert's Rise, the song that they
interpolated to make the song. Man, you hear Rise, but
you hear the whole hypnotized song. That motherfucker just as powerful, if.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Not more powerful. Once you on that motherfucker talking crazy,
the niggas finish that shit off. It's short to you.
It's like some shit you never saw before. It's like,
that's the power of this shit. That's why nigga's so
protective of it because I get what makes it special.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Like when we're arguing. When I'm arguing with Trapping, I'm like,
the music don't have a sound. It's really just black
music to a degree, right.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
You get black. But once you put the person on
it and some shit happened, that shit just be different.
But I mean, man, if you hear Barry White like
like like I lay my Lowrider that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
The love unlimited. Bro, you hear some of this shit,
this ship is out of here. Like the music, bro,
that shit is just crazy. I ain't never heard no
hip hop shit like that never.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I get it. As far as just the music, I
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Even when I hear cream right, which is one of
my favorite beats, of hip hop. I think of the lyrics,
you know what I mean, And that's one of my
favorite beats. But man, you play that ship and you
play some of that Verry White shit, you be like
it's different that shit. Start changing and doing shit and
you be like, holy shit.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
I wonder if that why culture culturally we look at
hip hop artists more in the leadership bro then we
look at other.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
That could be true.

Speaker 7 (01:01:03):
M hmm.

Speaker 12 (01:01:04):
What's what's your what's your favorite? What's your favorite R
and B hip hop collab? Eat your collab?

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Yeah, h.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
Can knock the hustle jay Z and Mary J.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
Blige boom boom boom boom.

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, that's that is a do that's a fire.

Speaker 11 (01:01:26):
That's an abstract choice too.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
Okay, all this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
So the first my favorite, the first song that come
to mind, the greatest to me is probably that song
Ghost and Mary.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Did that song come right to mind?

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
I always think of that song first for some reason,
that that song all I Need song, the Marvin Gaye song.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
But for me, probably favorite is Balling with the dramatics.

Speaker 11 (01:01:53):
It's you're talking about method man and Mary.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, excuse me that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:59):
You all I mean all I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Gonna say that six when you said that ship come
on my mind and it sucks me up. But for me,
my favorite is Balling with the dramatics and snoop. That's
always gonna go West Coast. Let's do a lot of
on the West Coast.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
But the first one that comes to mind the greatest
is probably that method and Mary J song. I remember
hearing that song being like, damn crazy. If I the
world too, I think, but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
That is hip hop. No man, that might be the one,
bro Becauselauren Hill is hip hop.

Speaker 12 (01:02:35):
I mean there's something that we haven't talked about either
that even vocalists is we haven't really brought up Jo
tosy know because.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
We didn't talk about them. I mean, when they killing,
you ain't hurting, nothing like that, when they all live,
when they when anybody is office specifically, i've heard them all.

Speaker 11 (01:03:02):
No I saw they got one of the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
I don't really hear a lot of singers, you know who.
It's crazy we had all this R and B conversation.
You know, we haven't talked about Mary J.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Blige. Okay, it's Mary R and B female act of
all time, but it's Mary J.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
Like how you said that other song was hip hop
all the way. Hip hop because Mary J hip hop.
She's the queen of hip hop, saw because Mary J.
Just Mary J. Blige could easily be the greatest R
and B act Ever. I don't think I've ever.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Saw anybody any reaction to music as much as I saw,
like you gotta go pop music, Michael Jackson, Mary J.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Blige.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
The thing Mary J Blige do. The black women I
have never saw no ship I'm talking about. Ain't another
black woman breathing air, not beyond that's a good one.
Not none of them. You see them motherfuckers?

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Will Mary J? Come on?

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
It is different ja so powerful that I used to
listen to her and be like, I get what I
get it girls.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
The time I listened to Mary J. Blige, the main
question come to my mind is what did you do?

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Man, I agree, that's how good. Mary J. Make you
think some of your ship?

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
No, no, no, Mary J. Blige makes me think, what
are you doing to make all these people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Do this to you? I ain't never late go to
married for it. Got to be married for bro. That's
that's a real nigga. Got to be it's married for man.
You see black women with Mary J. Blige. Come on, man,
they can't be everybody else is this is you?

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
This is you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Gotta be you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
You remember when when Mary was happy for a minute,
she dropped that album and all the women was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Mad and we need that this ain't the marry we
like doing on her relationship and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Ship going to Mary J. Blige R and B. I
think I'm going Mary J. Blige over be nor Kelly.
Oh hell now as an act as far as what
great as the greatest R and B act of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
It's crazy sometimes Mary J.

Speaker 7 (01:05:10):
Blige built everything crazy, marriage crazy. Marriag's crazy as far
as I act, She's really up there, changed the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Energy Arena's pure R and B. She she don't even
have no possum. You know she up there, but don't singer.

Speaker 10 (01:05:27):
She ain't whole like no lie kick and all that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Under blues. It's just so much rhythm and blues. Bro.
Women got mad when she didn't have the blues.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Let me ask you this though, Imagine if R Kelly
just liked them two years older and he was still he.

Speaker 10 (01:05:47):
Still probably wouldn't be change. Yeah, two years old, but
I think like them two years older too. I like
them all, you're still marry. I'm not saying she's not married.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
She is dope. She but r Kelly dope. He's dope.
She's that dope Kelly dope.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
But but I think you're talking more so now now
when it comes to her, I'm talking about marry. As
far as performing, I'm saying the way Shell songs records records,
she got records, record.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
She don't have no I believe I can fly. She
don't have no cross.

Speaker 10 (01:06:27):
She's just a black lady singing about niggas role. I
get that we're idiots.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
She's a black lady from the ghetto of New York
talking about black men fucking her over. It is the
most polarizing thing you've ever saw in your life.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
It was allowed to do with production.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Black women might think are Kelly better than her?

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I think they can like them better, but I think
Mary does. I'm just being honest, like every does something
different to people. Honestly, the more I think about it,
I ever saw no.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Ship like that.

Speaker 12 (01:07:02):
When a woman's fed up, Somebody said, what you're responding with,
what you're responding with from that, what you're responding with
from that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Right there, nigga.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
When when I heard when a woman's fed up, it
made me want to be nicer to women.

Speaker 10 (01:07:24):
Your men, women, dog man.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
I personal Mary Shait and it was it was dope,
it was you have a penis? But damn right, but
I would make you. I'm telling you I watched Mary.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Bro. I'm not lying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Like the more I even think about it, Bro, She's
probably clearly the greatest R.

Speaker 7 (01:07:45):
And B A.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
I would like to know what do black women think
about I would like to know do black women like
Mary or are Robert r Kelly? I mean Robert Kelly
better than I just think I think black women will
probably be Like shout out to Fatima. She said, Nah,
Mary J. Blige is way better than r Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
M hmm, that's one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
I mean, it's not that because I think we're talking
about who are the greatest, But I think R Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I don't think.

Speaker 10 (01:08:09):
People live the r Kelly music as much as they
live Mary's experience.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
All the R Kelly I'm not talking about. No that
I don't care about understanding. People are going to talk
about that, but I'm not. I'm not gonna get into that.
What I'm saying is just him as R and B acts,
Mary J. Blige bro like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I seen women be in the streets drinking, singing that
ship with their eyes closed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
I never saw that for R. Kelly. I never saw
them living the music like I see them living the
music to Marry J.

Speaker 11 (01:08:40):
Blige.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Now again, is Robert Kelly more more like of a talent? Yes,
I'm talking about just pure R and B act and
Mary J. Blige is not a great singer. That's the
crazy part is R.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Kelly and great singers. He's a little bit better than
everybody getting crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:09:01):
About seven seven?

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
Yeah, okay, so Mary? Not a seven is more Mary's
afford with TC.

Speaker 10 (01:09:08):
No, Mary, I might give a five.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Five, I say five. I'll say marybody damn trap. That's
that's I say. Mary about the six or seven.

Speaker 7 (01:09:19):
I think there's a lot to do with her production
with songs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Like the blues that come off, the pain that come
off for her is like some ship.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I never saw that's you. That comment I was talking about.

Speaker 10 (01:09:33):
You get mad at No, you ain't. Nobody did all
this to you? What you do, That's what I be thinking.
You have now mad?

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
I beat you have a tendency decide to somebody who's
who got a lot of pain in they and they ship.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Like you, but but you love more damn about the
commiss like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
I like more R Kelly songs than I like. I mean,
I like more R Kelly song I like Mary Ja.
But I've never saw music affect anyone like I see
like no ghetto, all the ghettos I've been to around America,
no matter if I was hustling or if I was
doing music, whatever I'm doing, I've never in my life
saw music affect people like Mary J. Blige, unless we

(01:10:12):
talk about Michael Jackson, but Mary J Blige music. I've
been to different ghettos, Vegas, here, New York, and when
that shit come on them, women go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
I get it. I'm with you. I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
All I'm saying is Art Kelly's shit affected people so
much that it's started affecting white people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
I think he makes really good music. That shit was
costing all the way over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
I think he makes really good It was a pop
song at the beginning. I think he makes really great music.
I'm not disagreeing, like I'm telling you, I think R Kelly.
I think I think Mary J. Blige they really live
that like it's different. It's the level of blues is different.
It's just the connection they have to her is different,

(01:10:55):
and her shit is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Just really for her. She's not even a an incredible talent,
that's the crazy part, but they feel it because that's
just I don't know why that that's a And that's
a prime example DT white people not on Mary like

(01:11:18):
that because she really is a true rhythm and blues act.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
And I think that's what does it for you because
white people don't fuck with it, you love it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
I just feel like white people don't fuck with the
most black things exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:11:32):
It gotta be ser bad for you, like you if
that ship I mean of R and B initially was
race music, it was really black music.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
It was people of race, race music. So it makes
I'm okay with knowing that they not. But she's still
doing arenas and that's scary.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
NAS was opening up for her.

Speaker 6 (01:11:52):
M h.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
She don't make crossover music. It's true. I mean I'm
not I'm not thinking nothing away from Mary great.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
I mean I mean again, it's just Rob got as
many records, if not Bore records and Mary, but I
think what Mary records do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
That was just something crazy what he got way more records. Mary,
Mary got a lot of records. She got some records,
but she got a lot of record close in records. Yeah,
they might be close. I'm telling you. She her ship
is sneaky. She didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
But but when you see how her music affects people,
that's the one thing I can't shake.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I can think of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Great Robert Kelly records. I know a lot of them.
He's one of the best to ever make music. Man,
when I see her music on, it ain't a song
no more.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
But see you only thinking about from motherfuckers from the carter,
like you got it. You only want to see if
that music affect niggas in the carter.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
And like, because that's what that's what's called. It's called
race music.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Then after that, but tell me was affecting those people
and then that ship was traveling over to white people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
I don't care. I don't care. I white people prove
that don't make it. It's called race music. Yeah, but
it's called race music. So I'm okay, white people don't
get it. That's okay, Okay. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Then, when you when people are doing their uh mount rushmore,
are they only doing it based off of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Acts they don't know, they just be doing their top four.
Me and Trapp had a.

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
Great yeah, exactly exactly about this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Really clearing that thought up.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
And because the Mount Rushmore is not the fourth greatest president,
it's the fourth say that marked different things in American history.
One mark the beginning of the nation, one mark the
progress of the nation.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
One mark.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
There's one mark one, you know what I mean bringing
it back together in Abraham Lincoln.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
We had this with death Jam.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
I think we said the Mount Rushmore, the true Mount
Rushmore of death Jam would be l l right as
as your George Washington, I think you said public enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
As the.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
No, we put uh Beastie Boys as.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
The one that takes to improve outside of the country,
and we put DMX as the Lincoln to bring the
sound back.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
But you know, l did his Mount Rushmore of of
uh def Jam also, and his my words were similar
to yours. People got mad at him because they the
most popular acts.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Because I don't know what and this Mount Rushmore has
been kind of colonized by people thinking it's the best
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
But this is what I'm asking. That's why I say,
if we really did the Mount Rushmore of R and
B really got to be on it? Baby Face got
to be on the Mount Rismore? Probably not?

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
So why not?

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
So who who who you put over baby Face? I mean,
who would be who would be the who would be
the George Washington of Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 6 (01:14:47):
For R and B?

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
That against you? You're saying, probably uh, Bobby Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
I mean they say's hip hop's first superstar. But then
we have to pretty much disclude a lot of people.
And I don't know if I'm comfortable with this clue
with Stevie Wonder, that's my Margaret. Stevie Wonder would be
really hard. I can probably not hold on to Michael
Jackson and as R and B, not as black music.
I could probably not hold on the Prince as R
and B just black music. I'm okay with that even

(01:15:13):
kind of you know, I can miss them in R
and B because I got them everywhere else, and pop
music day is powerful as any pop artists in the
history of pop music.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
So they're still there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
But I couldn't really imagine the world on that list
without Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
That would be really hard for me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
You know what, I'm saying, like I listened to too
much of that shit, I study too much of their ship.
It would be really really hard for me to do that.
But theoretically they are considered soul and and different things.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
You know what I'm saying. You know they do make
R and B, but a lot of people really feel
like contemporary R and B is like more of an
eighty sting. So does Keith wet get a.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Ke not I don't think on red Board, don't think
he's got his album, his album. I'm not bad that
being in the conversation, but not Keith Sweat as a talent.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Not Keith Sweating. But at the time I'm saying, but
are we just doing as the talent though.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
I'm saying he has one making last Forever, he needs three.
He would need five with his.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Why I Bring Back go over five hundred million albums?

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Yeah, but he's also so now we're talking about people
that are influential and matter in R and B, then
Baby Faces probably paramount.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
But it's what I'm saying, when you making a while
other than that, have to what happened? What's the criteria is?
When I'm asking, well, if we're saying R and B.
We're talking about R and B singers.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
R and B acts, so just R and B singers,
and if we're just doing as sure because because yeah,
but it would be hard. Who would be the George
Washington of temperar. I guess if we did in temporary art.

Speaker 6 (01:16:58):
Yeah, Steve gotta be the George Walsh him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
I feel and and hip hop R and B started
with Lewis Jordan's so it's like he's not going to
be He's like that first president America became America black
man that was pregnant before before, before George Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
That, Yeah, it could be Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder could
be on the Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
So you've got Stevie Wonder down there. Now, you got
George Washington down as the birth and the foundational leader.
You've got Teddy, you got Thomas Jefferson expansion the visionary
ideas shout.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Out to Joke Smoke, and I thought the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
I feel like it probably would have to be this
is the problem with it had to be Ray Charles,
because Stevie Wonder is Ray Charles Jr.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Ray on the on the Mount worst one. Nothing I'd
have to.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
Charles was making, was making arm Vito.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Because he made he made so, he kind of created soul,
you know what I mean, He kind of created so
and then pop is white people soul.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
But it was also like a like a rendition of
like gospel music though, but that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
But but it all comes from there. Lose comes from gospel.
Everything comes from gospel.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Yeah, it's just it's just tough, you know what I mean.
That's the problem. Like it's it's hard because it's possible
to narrow it down to four. Yeah, I think that.
I think it's hard, and well, you know what, let's
try anyway, let's consider fucking.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
But my thing is, I think when people do these
amount of Rushmore's, they they kind of set their own criteria.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Like y'all gofferent. But I like when you're trap do
it because it makes us think harder and it makes
us credit to get quick question, you know what.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
Not saying the white boy makes it the right mount
worst or anything anybody can if you're white and give
me R and B Are you popp?

Speaker 6 (01:18:59):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yes? So six and six know who John Bellyon is?
Is John Billyon pop? Or is the R and B d.

Speaker 11 (01:19:09):
I don't think he's really pop because but I don't
think he's quite R and B.

Speaker 12 (01:19:13):
He kind of like I think, like his song like
Crop Circles could it's like more like alternative R and B.

Speaker 11 (01:19:19):
But then when you think about what was the first single.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
That Sam Smith is just pop pop last is just
black and white. He's just white black because.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
If you white, you automatically anything you make is going
to go into a pop space.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Because the audience of people that's gonna take John is popular.

Speaker 11 (01:19:39):
No, he's not, Yeah, he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
It's not about being popular, right, That's really what it's about.

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
What was his first thing?

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
The popular one?

Speaker 7 (01:19:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Some low shade down down with long Okay, okay, I'm
with that.

Speaker 11 (01:19:55):
I'm with that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Let's go Ray Charles as George Washington of the R
and B my Rishmore's he is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
He is the true founder for the most part of
soul music.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
Who's the expansion and the visionary ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
That's Thomas Jefferson R and B, who is a Thomas
Jefferson who expanded R and B.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Ray Charles did a good job of making it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
So when you say expanded, you mean to the masses
or so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Jefferson represents the Louisiana purchase at.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
The time, the west. Yeah, he made because.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
When it was the first it was just the thirteen
the colonies and all that, and it was just on
the east coast.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
He pushed it out west. He recognized the.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
Expansion Louisiana purchase, the Louisiana purchase.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Are moving it west. So who was that person that
took R and B from Ray Charles right? And then
they went to another le They don't have to be
a direct correlation.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
They just need to take it to the next level.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Is it the eighty Did everybody else follow his direction
for that point after? Because I think Stevie wonder if
t is kind of like, I mean, that was the
same marketing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Well, my thing is, what do you think Michael Jackson
is though? Do you consider him?

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
He would have to be in this conversation too, because
if you but I think Michael Jackson is that third president?

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
What's the third guy?

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
It's Abraham Lincoln? No, No, that's the fourth direction.

Speaker 7 (01:21:23):
No, all right, So Theodore Roosevelt the development on an
evolution Teddy Roosevelt.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
So I think Michael Jackson took it internationally because that's
what Teddy Roosevelt. So it's somebody between Ray Charles and
Teddy Roosevelt.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Between So they got to be between Ray Charles and Mikey. Yeah,
that was the person that made it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
A much more popular thing than Ray because Ray Charles
kind of ushered in soul music and really pop records.
To be honest, nobody would really see it that way.
But the more I studied he ushered in. Ray Tru
was ushered in pop records.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Like he like what we're talking about, taking gospel and
making it worldly.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
It's kind of the genesis of pop music, like taking
a little of the ethnic, cleansing it up a little
bit and making it digestible for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
So instead of Southern tones, it must be Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
It became I got a woman, must be Jesus, go
in and around, well, Jesus taking that that's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Kind of the the the epicenter of pop music.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
So then then he would he would he.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Would recognize the expansion internationally, Michael Jackson, so he would
be there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Gay, it's Marvin Gay. I would think of Marvin, but
I think Marvel many. Yeah, it's Marvin Gay.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
So is Marvin Gay probably the token the greatest artist
out of the Motown solo act because I know Smoke
is probably the most influential, but I think Marvin is
probably the greatest Motown X solo.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
I don't know. It's a lot of it's a lot
of acts on Moretown.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
I don't know. I don't know why. You gotta kind
of go through it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
Through like he came and never it's Marvin all right,
So if you go he had commercial success to you
remember he had commercial successful.

Speaker 6 (01:23:19):
I like, I like Diana Rose.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Yeah, you're gonna retake the mic. Rachel's Marvin Mike yep.
And then and then now you have the person that
brought R and B back? Who who?

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
That's what you say, Bobby Brown. Now that's where we
had a conversation. Whoever, We're okay, we're focused on male,
so we're not even gonna bring you females. So that
way we're not even.

Speaker 11 (01:23:43):
Separate Rushmore's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
We'll do a self a separate Rushmore. So who is
the person that brought R and B back to prominence?
That's who it is, And it probably could be like
see that's where it could get funny, right because you
could take R. Kelly is close to Bobby.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Kelly Brow and so on. Yeah, that's because that's right there, yeah,
public yeah, Kelly, there it is so Ray Charles, H, Marvin,
Arvin Gay, Michael, Michael Jackson, R.

Speaker 6 (01:24:15):
Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
I'm not mad at that, not bad, very respective, I'm not.

Speaker 11 (01:24:22):
I'm surprised Luther wasn't in there for you G.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Not mad because I think jay Z is also the
greatest death Jam recording artist, but he wasn't on the
Death Jam Mount I'll get you. So it's okay that
the greatest R and B singer of all time or
the greatest male vocalists of all time, I should say,
may not make the list of the Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
But I'm okay with that. Ray, Charles, H, Marvin Gay,
Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, That's not bad.

Speaker 11 (01:24:56):
That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
That's not bad.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
If burst me to leave STEVIEE, but I know Stevie
is Ray Charles, that's his, that's his, that's his baby.

Speaker 11 (01:25:06):
Yeah, shout out to Stevie Man, shout out for.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Big shots to Stevie.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
But that's the point, Like because even when we did
even Trap, when we did the Death Jam Mount Rushmore,
it be different like it kind of we knew Death
Jam was loud and op notching, so even the skip
jay z was almost blasphemous. Bro or Warren who who
brought who saved death Jam? Or but it's depth Jam
wasn't fuck the business. We talk about the thing that

(01:25:31):
it represented, this loud out, naxous energy that was like
street urban on the prow DMX when when when hip
hop was trying to go clean, you know, puffin and
was taking it shiny and clean, this motherfucker came out
with some tims with no socks on and an overall
short set and an overall short set screaming, barking, and growley.

(01:25:55):
That is death Jam energy summing. That's like watching LLL
Rebirth in the grimiest setting.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
I like that.

Speaker 8 (01:26:03):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
Yeah, I'm a man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
I was just asking. I thought it was gonna be ridiculous.
But I'm not mad at Charles. Ray Charles. Could he
be the John Hanson and Stevie Wonder be the no either,
George Washington. I'm not mad at that either. But no,
Ray Charles is like a really really big deal, like
he wasn't like they made the pop charts, but just

(01:26:29):
feel weird not having Stevie on you. But you also
have to realize Ray Charles was a successful act and
that's why Stevie got a shot in the first place.
So he was the first person to say blinds can't
do this, and I mean not just do it like
Ray Charles is not Lewis Johnson. Ray Charles is like.

Speaker 11 (01:26:47):
Your subtle trolling this crazy coach.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
I don't know what.

Speaker 11 (01:26:53):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Yeah, you see what he be doing, coach Chaos. So
let me get this right. One or two a day
every time he won.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
That know the other the craziest one was two years older.
Ship though. That was crazy. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Ask questions you amazing t shirts Coach Chaos.

Speaker 11 (01:27:18):
Faiths.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
I've been listening to Ain't a lot this this week.

Speaker 11 (01:27:23):
Somebody in the chat said, what would you rate Faith Evans?

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Yeah, faith is that's the real mount war Ray Charles,
Marvin Gay, Michael Jackson, and R Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
I'm okay with that. I'm okay.

Speaker 6 (01:27:42):
Right, yeah, not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Females is gonna be really hard men and who any
rippretending who else?

Speaker 11 (01:27:58):
Well, you can't do that because he didn't go Look
the first one, it's probably hard.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
To be that she might not get on she might
not know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
I'm putting Diana Ross on there, like not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Get on that at all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
The only person I know for sure it's gonna be
Mary J Blige. I know for sure it's gonna be
Mary J Blige.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Mary J BLI gonna be at the end of it. Yeah,
she's Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
She definitely re established if it ever kind of went away,
because female R and B never went away.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
So does Beyonce not get it?

Speaker 6 (01:28:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
She's not on this.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Diana Ross is on there right attack like you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
That's okay, that that will change. Beyonce is the one.
She's still the one that don't gotta be on every list.
She wouldn't. But if we talk about Nigga wing for seventy,
she couldn't be on the list. So she can missed
a list. Uh first, is is it a reason or
is it Billy Holliday? Billy is jazz still? But we're

(01:28:53):
talking about okay, because.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
You gotta go post forty Ross, it's gonna be fifties
sixties you said on that far Who you said fifties
and sixties?

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
I'm saying who first?

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
You said?

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Probably Aretha hold On. People love to reatha I don't
know why they loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
I mean, but they loved her like they were dear
to her differently, like I would love to ask my
my mask my mom one time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
You ain't like Aretha that much? Yeah, she's dope. I
like Pata Bill more than Rita though. I mean yeah,
I mean it's Patty like she making pies and everything.

Speaker 6 (01:29:31):
Patty Piles were playing things on Walker.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
She's not on here.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Dianna is a real pop act and the coldest riding
I keep saying Dianea Ross, which she's on this list right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Let's figure out who is the first James A James
Bell she's dope and she from La?

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Is that a James from LA? I didn't know that
about Leila half the way, No, no, no way, back then, yah,
I was about we might have to come what is
your George Washington? Who is a George Washington? A female
R and B You might have to come back to
this one. I don't know that one because Billy Holliday

(01:30:13):
was jazz. She was before that, I remember correctly, No,
let me ask, let me ask.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Definitely jazz. She was scatting and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
It was the first female might have to be on there. Yeah,
how about Gladys Knight.

Speaker 6 (01:30:36):
Gladys What it came up? What came up?

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Mary Welles, That's.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
First female R and B superstar is often associated with
Mary Welles. She is considered a pioneer of motown music
and the first successful female R and B star, that
the first female artist to achieve ainstream pop success with
hits like the one You Really Loved You and my
Guy Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Yeah, I forgot about that one, My guy.

Speaker 10 (01:31:09):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Let me see something very well.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
I remember not putting on the list.

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
Because if you do the same thing with the R
and B that, it's not gonna come up with Ray,
It's gonna have somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Had Bobby Brown Us gonna be hard to beat that.
Get some mention on here, it's gonna be hard to
be very well, shock.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Sho go up there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Yeah, I think it was. I wonder what kind of
icon Mary Wells was.

Speaker 7 (01:31:46):
That's what I'm saying. You can't put up there. She
ain't like if it adn't come to your mind like that,
then you can't put on this list.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Then is this she in the group too?

Speaker 7 (01:31:53):
Though?

Speaker 6 (01:31:54):
Very well?

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Here's one in Americas.

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
He was in a group too, Was my guy a
group song? Now without a group song? I think it
was a group song.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Yeah, I think that might have been a group that.

Speaker 6 (01:32:13):
Was a group song.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Yeah, no it's not. That's oh no, it's not who
group was she in though they was? Wasn't in no group?

Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
That was a solo song that my guy?

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Yeah, that's interesting. You know they had vocalists, so I
could be leave that also somebody else.

Speaker 11 (01:32:34):
Mary Wells was part of the Supremes.

Speaker 7 (01:32:36):
Was she?

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
I thought she was, but I don't. I can't verify it.
AI be boys shit in half the time, I'm.

Speaker 10 (01:32:44):
Under said, because you know them songs like she might
have sing that song and somebody else might have sing
it too, though that wasn't the group. I think the
Supremes did sing it right then the Supreme sing that
song too.

Speaker 11 (01:32:55):
I gotta die back. That's way before my.

Speaker 6 (01:32:56):
Time now, then the Supreme sing that song too.

Speaker 11 (01:32:59):
Yeah, she was in the Prince for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
I think I'm okay with saying Mary Wells. I feel
like I don't know enough about Mary Wellster. That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (01:33:09):
Maybe not, maybe not It said her career, Yeah, ignorant,
don't mean that it's right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
I'm sure she had. She was a big deal because
he was a big record. I'm good with Mary Wells.
I don't know putting that on the Yeah, but when
you read up on Mary Wells right now, like she
seemed like a big deal.

Speaker 10 (01:33:34):
She seemed like she did her thing and could be
I said, Dana Ross Ma first maybe Yeah, bro, I'm
with donad What the chat saying, George Washington, Yeah, I'm
with Dina.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
I'm with Donad Ross.

Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
George.

Speaker 7 (01:33:58):
They said, that's what Jennifer Hudson wasn't that's what character
was based off for Oh wow, based up in manyell
mm hmm, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
I don't know, man, Mary Mary. I like the choice
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
Well Wells and Diana Ross was competition.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
I think I'm gonna go downa Ross.

Speaker 7 (01:34:18):
That's what I said from the jump. Yeah, I think
that's a push, but no, I think it gotta be her.
You got the supreme, all the supremes. And he moved
on to you know what I'm saying, like she could
even she gonna fall in one of these spots though,
she could fall into the expansion. The expansion spot though too,

(01:34:40):
because she took that she took the game out there though, too,
so you could if you wanna through many wells, you
can put her in the Theodore Roosevelt te Roosevelt spot too.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
She ain't getting that.

Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
She went so black, King Patrick, Man, come on, man, That's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
What I thought, darry Donna Ross should probably be George Washington.
I think she was the first female R and B
icon that we can remember.

Speaker 6 (01:35:06):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
I don't know if that's wrong or not, but I'm
thinking that's what's important, right is we're remembering like George.
We all know George Washington is that's not none of
us go trip. Even if we don't know much about
George Washington, we know that's George Washington.

Speaker 11 (01:35:22):
The same thing it's Whitney.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
And hold on, let's can we agree with donnad Ross
and Georgian put Mike?

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Did we put Mike in the in the men joint? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
And he introduced her?

Speaker 6 (01:35:36):
All right, all right, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:35:41):
I'm just saying, because if you want, you gonna put
Mike in there, because Mike was a pop and you
can't put Whitney up in there, even that Whitney super pop.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
I don't know if I don't know if Whitney gonna
make a period.

Speaker 6 (01:35:50):
Whitney was pop.

Speaker 11 (01:35:52):
So what's the second criteria forgot?

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
So it's Jefferson if they expanded it. Okay, they took
it from Donna Ross and wentn't even further. That might
be it shouldn't it should have been Mary Wells and
Dona Roll.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
That might be Aretha That could I roll with that too?

Speaker 11 (01:36:09):
Mary Wells first, Diana Ross?

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Yeah, but it probably should be Dona Ross. Have we
all heard of Mary Wells? I have obvious when you
were younger.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Yeah, Motown was a big deal when I was younger.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Dina Ross was the queen of Motown. I know that
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Okay, let's go Mary Diana. I still think we're kind
of cheating, But Diana is way before Diana Ross, so
just go down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
She's way before donas time for years, ten years. I
don't think that much, is it is?

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
I think Mary Wells's first song when I looked, was
like sixty two, and Dona ross first album is in seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
I mean we go married then Diana though?

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
What about the Supremes? Though?

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Yeah, you know what I'm with revenge.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
I'm with revenge, he said, I don't know Mary Wells,
that's important.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
He knows who George washed into the gout.

Speaker 6 (01:37:02):
That makes She's probably from Canada too.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
I think I was the president of America before everything.
That's who she represents. I think you I think you
gotta go one or the other, though, I don't think
you can go both. Yeah, not both, Okay, Dona Ross
is George Washing. So then who took it where I
said I would read the Franklin Yeah from Donnah Ross.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Yeah she did. I don't know if I took it
away out there.

Speaker 11 (01:37:29):
Aretha Franklin was Aretha Franklin was after Dona.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Rossad frank.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
She had her long career all the way through, even
after Dona Ross.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
I'm saying, but she older than Dona Ross.

Speaker 7 (01:37:42):
Yeah, Diana Ross had a solo career. You got to
go back to the to the sopruns and all that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:48):
Though.

Speaker 7 (01:37:48):
You know what what.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Aretha Franklin is. Aretha Franklin is the George and Donna
Russell is Jefferson.

Speaker 11 (01:37:59):
That makes sense because that's what.

Speaker 6 (01:38:01):
I was expansion, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Expon Franklin was like the first Yeah, her longevity was unbelievable.
Yeah Franklin. Okay, all right, So Aretha then Diana Ross.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Franklin is George Washington and then Diana Ross. Okay, I'm
okay with that. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
So now the third one, and what this third one represent?

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Aretha Franklin is she was born in forty two, Donald
Ross was born in forty four, but their career started
ten years apart.

Speaker 11 (01:38:39):
Yeah, that could be the same age Maria first.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Read it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
So what's the third one third crut? What's the third one?

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Third one?

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Is Teddy Roosevelt? Right, and he represented the expansion out
of the country. I think what was the Panama Canal was.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
The big thing, and that would be Whitney. Whitney was
international act like that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:02):
Are you serious?

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
She was the female Michael got no coming on that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:06):
That's what I was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
I was thinking, I'm thinking, I'm trying to think because
I'm trying to think. But she's that big. I think she.
I think she was big.

Speaker 7 (01:39:14):
She was.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
To have a super Bowl, big glass movie, super Bowl Bodyguard,
all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
And the super National anthem the super Bowl the national
wasn't that the super Bowl?

Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
We got the super Bowl National anthem? Different?

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Okaycuse not say halftime show. Yeah, that's the fact. You're right,
my bad, But no, she was big.

Speaker 5 (01:39:42):
So who we say was bigger than Whitney, Well, it's
not bigger than I mean, I'm from international spanding the past.
If we if we were going to if we're not
putting her there, who do we say was expect you know,
look at the women that came out. You're right, it
has to be Whitney. It has to be with me
then Almos for getting me roughly. And it's not like

(01:40:02):
I don't have respect for Whitney. He like puts in respect.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
It's not that it's just try to get it right,
but it probably the best vocalists to me in my
mind too. Need to read the Franklin too. Yeah, I
said she was like a niece or or something like
a god daughter or some ship that makes sense with Mary.

Speaker 6 (01:40:21):
Yeah, I just I just.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Conover Whitney as an international star.

Speaker 7 (01:40:27):
You want to hear who Jack who chat GPT said?
They said, they said to read the Franklin, Georgia Washington.
They said, Thomas Jefferson is Beyonce, Abraham Lincoln is married
J Blige, and then and Teddy Roosevelt shot there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Oh yeah, I'm not mad at that. I'm gonna tell
you why I didn't disagree because I knew Mary J.
Blige is the return of R and B.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
And we all agree.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Read the Franklin with George Washington. The only difference is
what we're saying about Donna Ross. They said, who was it?

Speaker 7 (01:41:02):
Beyonce said, Beyonce with Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, I mean,
I'm time with Jefferson.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
Excuse me, Okay, so I kind of jumped to, uh,
my only disagreement with that that with that rim party shot,
I said, Beyonce too.

Speaker 7 (01:41:20):
They put they put shot there. They said, because the
timeless innovation and drama elevation.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
This is a bad motherfucker. Yeah, we don't know, Beyonce.

Speaker 10 (01:41:31):
I mean know we're gonna go, uh, they're gonna go Whitney.
Why Whitney for West spot for for Teddy Jefferson. I'm not, man, Yeah,
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
I'm not.

Speaker 7 (01:41:44):
She was so popped though, she was just so popped though.
That's the only thing, Like she wasn't really like R
and B songs for Whinney Houston like that. Man, that's
the same what you say about Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
I know he was hello pop. Yeah, black people looked
at her as R and B.

Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
They did.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
We're looking at hindsight now, No, they didn't look at No,
they didn't know they did. It was the white people
can talk ship about what I mean, they knew, they
all knew she could sing her ass off. But that's like, yeah,
people didn't talk about Whitney.

Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
He was there, he was there.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
He can hear this sing. She was pretty. That's true.
I didn't know. That's not what she's saying. You didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
That's how you can see Luther was gay as the motherfucker.
I had never had no idea like Luther was gay.
That's how good that nigga saying that. I didn't even
when I saw never too much, And I'm like, oh,
this nigga obviously was gay.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
But he's saying so fucking good. I was like, this
nigga is the best.

Speaker 14 (01:42:44):
That's how George Michaels was like, yeah, yeah, a white
people get that off coat.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
So what's the four for the women?

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Because reading Franklin Dona Ross, we're saying we the Houston
instead of yeah, Beyonce is not on there.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
No, it's gonna be Mary j Got they gotta be Beyonce.
Guys to break the bad news to you.

Speaker 6 (01:43:14):
Mary J. Bro Back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Covers, Mary J. Blige broke that real R and B.

Speaker 7 (01:43:21):
You know what somebody just said about us rocked though
she was hold on that again. Somebody mentioned Tina Turner though,
but I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
I don't really.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Turner actually actually know Tina Turner's career.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
No, wow, what's hold Ontina? Contina was rocked, got into
R and B and she when she went, she went.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
Okay, so you're talking about Okay, she wasn't even the
genre of music. She don't fit the giant.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
She don't really have. What's not got to do with?
It's not an R and B song, that's not that's
a rock song too. Okay, all right, okay, so I'd
like to list you did Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Behind the Ross Whitney Houston and Mary J. Block brought
back Real lawd B.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Yeah, is not mad? I'm not mad? Wait what was it?
What did it say? What did that gv T say?

Speaker 7 (01:44:19):
They said it said that said all right, hold on,
all right, So they said George Washington is Aretha Franklin.
They said they gave her a birth. The expansion they
gave that was that was Thomas Jefferson and gave that
to Beyonce, the Preservation, they gave it that, Abraham Lincoln,

(01:44:40):
they gave it to Mary j and the development. Theodore
Roosevelt gave the shot the I'm not mad.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
At that though. Who they could hear Beyonce too. They're
saying she was like the uh they're saying she was.

Speaker 7 (01:44:53):
Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln. You said you said no, no, no, no,
you said beyond.

Speaker 6 (01:44:59):
I'm sorry. You said said that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Was taking Tina Turner to me.

Speaker 9 (01:45:05):
It said global, it said global reach, drama been there
her dad over Tina Turner. She's like, well there, so no,
she didn't that bring nothing new?

Speaker 6 (01:45:18):
Who be Yeah, she didn't bring nothing new roads on it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
Huh.

Speaker 6 (01:45:26):
They didn't put Diana Ross on it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Understand why you don't put Dona Ross on it? I
understand why not. But I'm but I mean I would
put Diana Ross I take on list because I agree
with trap. She expanded.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
She took what Areka Franklin was doing and a national thing.
She became like a national superstar.

Speaker 6 (01:45:47):
Yeah, she was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
She was really some ship. Like that's why we know
I'm about to say.

Speaker 10 (01:45:54):
And she was the one that was bringing out she
put out like the Jackson five she brought out.

Speaker 7 (01:45:58):
She brought out math. You didn't do math to the world.
I'm saying. She was expanding, people don'tet win movies.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
But it's scary. What's her greatest R and B song?
That's my thing?

Speaker 6 (01:46:14):
What's the name?

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
Feel Me?

Speaker 6 (01:46:19):
Killing me? Infensive for this and she got that. Yeah,
she got she got some ship. She got some ship.

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
It's funny because I got introduced to Diana Rouss through
acting for music.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
You know, she's like, yeah, actress first, and then I
heard on the soundtrack and I was like, I always
knew she was sick. I did not know I've seen her,
and I was like, oh, then I heard the soundtrack,
I was like who.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
One of the things I was screaming about when dot
won that final award for that Grammy was Diana.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Ross gave him.

Speaker 6 (01:46:55):
He did say that. He did say that to this
whole hell.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
Yeah, that's man. I checked that. Nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
I said, Dina Ross, nigga that nigga hit me back
like damn. I'm like, nigga, he killed that. He was
like yo, he came up like what Dinah Ross bro Wow,
that was like a big deal. The Awards Donald and
gave it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Then I said that what made it so crazy was
that then she gave Mike his fipp.

Speaker 6 (01:47:22):
One that time.

Speaker 7 (01:47:23):
No, some like that, they said, but that was in
the I wasn't for one sothing. Yeah, I'm just saying,
though it was it was like that the same amount.

Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
It could be. Besides Dona Ross.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
I don't Frankling within the Houston So that looked like
what the seventies I'm rolling Diana me too. What I'm
saying's anybody we're not thinking about. I can't think anybody
the chest seventies R and B singers.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Yeah, yeah, they had.

Speaker 6 (01:48:01):
To be a big deal to somebody. You saying Tammy Terrell, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
It was more like her and Marvin Gay, the duets
about Temmy burning Flat, Dona Russell Summers after flat Fire.
I thought she would this guy, you know, I mean,
but about the same.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
Gwyn Dicky is another dope singer that we didn't talk about.
Vocal lead singer from Rose Royce.

Speaker 6 (01:48:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, hopefully she's crazy vocally
she might be a nine.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
I think, bro, are we tripping on Shoka like that?

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
Shock could do that?

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
It could be Shocked or Gladys Night, lad As Night.
We have not talked about glad. I mentioned glad It's Night. Yeah, yeah,
you know why she wasn't a solo act even turning.
Come on, man, I think you said the Pimps.

Speaker 11 (01:49:06):
I used to I used to think that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
We all thought.

Speaker 12 (01:49:12):
It was glad at Night in the Pimps, that that
had me messed up when I was a kid, and
that that Uh go see cal commercial they used.

Speaker 11 (01:49:21):
To play all the time.

Speaker 12 (01:49:24):
Yeah, go see caw see caw. That's what it sounded like, bro,
when I was a little kid.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
I don't know how we've seen that ship way up
in Washington.

Speaker 11 (01:49:35):
Yeah, it was definitely a regional commercial for sure. But
I definitely did not think you.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
Put one up there in Frederick Way, Kyle Worthington, Uh
franchise up there in Washington. I was animals and ships.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Probably hold on, I'm looking right now, man, it's gonna
be tough to be Dona Ross man.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
I think they got staples on here, rolling Chaka Khan,
Donna Summers.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
That's a good list right here.

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
That's down the Summers one given a rough for money.

Speaker 11 (01:50:13):
That's how good the music was when it's.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aretha Franklin is the George Washington, Dinah
Ross is Tom Jefferson, Whitney Houston is the Teddy Roosevelt.

Speaker 14 (01:50:28):
Mary J.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Blige is the Leacuoln. I'm gonna say with that Eddie Ray,
I'm okay, I could breathe with that. I'm locking that
in a lock it ro Ween mm hmm, yeah, I'm

(01:50:49):
with that.

Speaker 6 (01:50:49):
Call a call so so la yeah up.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
Mary J. Blige is really the one, bro. You you
fuck what you think of Mary? So?

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
What's what's unanimous? Which one of those is unanimous on
both lists? What's unanimous? Like great is unanimous?

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Areatha was unanimous, Diana Diana Ross is not shaky, Whitney
Houston was shaky, okay, and Mary J is is unanimous? No, No,
I don't know who could you replace Mary J. Blige with?
As Franklin is the only unanimous one. Yeah for sure, Nah,
I gotta go married. It's hard, man.

Speaker 6 (01:51:36):
I understand what the on there though.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
You can't Beyonce didn't bring That's what I'm saying. We
can't flip Beyonce on there. Bring R and B back
with the Desney, not bring like, I'm like it was
dead to be win solo no beyond started making up
stopped that and then males. It was Ray Charles. That

(01:51:59):
is a unanimous ones.

Speaker 3 (01:52:01):
We all agreed that Ray Charles probably was the first. Okay,
you kind of want to say sty wanted, but we
said Ray Charles. He went on his as though he
Steve Wonder Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
Ray Charles. Number two was Marvin Gay. That was a
tough one. So that wasn't unanimous, but I think we
kind of realized it needed to be. Okay, is that fair?
Six Again, Marvin Gay really united, he needed to be.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
Uh, we got the unanimous on just trying to figure
out that us needed okay, so that's too unanimous.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Michael Jackson was kind of the shaky one that we
all just had to accept, okay, and we all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Agreed that had to be r Kelly three unanimous is
on that one? Okay? I think the male one it
was definitely have chat GBT make us a drawing.

Speaker 6 (01:52:51):
Of that. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna do it.

Speaker 11 (01:52:53):
I can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Do it.

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Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
On your statement? Gn next equal Striller. I like that
shout out to No Selings.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
I just knew it was going to have a about
five or six records that were gonna be big records,
big singers.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
The way it's composed, the success, it's like him.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
It's like the culmination of all his powers coming into
one in him understanding exactly how much of himself he
needed to present, yet how much he needed to align
himself culturally. Like I think that was important for Michael
Jackson with Thriller. Like I think that's where he went
wrong on Bad. Bad didn't have a real black music feel,
Like I think he wasn't really digging black music at

(01:54:36):
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Like at that time, probably the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
Biggest Black act in the eighty seven would have probably
been Cameo, right it Candies around that time. Like I
think he didn't really I think Michael Jackson see before
that when he did Thriller, he was able to look
at Hall of Notes, who had a different pipeline of
black people. Right, So when you hear Billy Jean, you

(01:54:58):
could hear I can't go that Rick James was destroying
at that time, right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
You know further problem.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
I was just thinking about what you just said. A
lot of them older groups like Commodorees and all them
started going solo in the eighties and stuff, Well they
started going sold them groups started going solo, but it
wasn't the eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
But it wasn't just that, right, like they Cameo was
doing damage to black music at that time. The Cameo
was for sure the blackest thing I heard at that
time in the midti Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
That's like the last group. Everybody started going solo and stuff.
And I think what he was saying wasn't Teddy wasn't
Teddy rockling around that time too? Yep, Teddy Teddy is
a little earlier earlier.

Speaker 6 (01:55:44):
It was earlier eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Then the mid to late eighties, he was solo like
in the late seventies, right, was he?

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
I thought it was what was it was the early
eighties about Teddy pinograms vocally, That's another one of your
favorite votes.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
That's about right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
I mention trapping and I think and I think Michael
Jackson ignored Cameo mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
I think he saw that as I wonder, what was
the conversation about musicianship.

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
Around Cameo, like how it was around James Brown, the
New York Players New York City players was different. I
mean they didn't really the New York Players like Cameo
didn't really Cameo was out there though.

Speaker 6 (01:56:21):
They was mexing with Cameo over here. Pop.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
No, that was that was to me the biggest thing. Again,
I was a kid. The biggest thing on the black
scene to me at that time was Cameo. Bro. Cameo
was like because hip hop was coming to run everything
down at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
This is mid to late eighties hip hop running everything
down LLL and them starting to run sh it down.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
Here come in w A, here come all this rap.
Cameo couldn't been a welcome map for hip hops. Well,
it kind of was hip hop, you know what I'm saying,
right hip He had a soft call word up that
was hip hop right now. But my Michael Jackson, I
think ignored that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
So when he looked for his urban influence of musicianship
at that time, him and him and Quincy, I think
they looked to Ray Parker when they should have looked
at Cameo and Ray Parker. At that time, Kinna already
had a pop sound like Bad is like Ghostbusters Ghostbusters.
This the same song, but Ghostbusters is corny as fuck.
It's already not tight, Like none of us really fucked

(01:57:24):
with Ghostbusters unless we was little kids like.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
We were, and we just jammed it. But that wasn't
like a song we fucked with.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
So I think he didn't look at Cameo the way
he looked at Rick James to make Thriller, or the
way he looked at different black acts to kind of
put black music into bad. So then you just end
up with kind of this really pop offering of a
bunch of records that really kind of don't have no
like no real blackness to him outside of Michael Jackson

(01:57:50):
applying whatever that looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
After selling thirty million, then he grew up in Motown,
so he had that was in them, but he was.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
But he already depended on it. But by that time,
I remember he's on He's he's fresh off Thriller. Thriller
is ten twenty thirty million. Yeah, like it's killing. So
he's not touching the third.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
Like that no more. He not on the scene no more.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
This nigga for me is the man. So it's like
I think he looked at Ray Parker, you know what
I mean? And there I'm not just saying he had.
He definitely ate his before Ghostbusters, but I don't think
when it came to black music, Ray Parker was as
as dense culturally as let's say, Cameo.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
Cameo's connection to blackness.

Speaker 3 (01:58:35):
Darryl you know better than me, because you from that
time period, it was deep like niggas love Cameo, like
my mom loved fucking Cameo, like it was black as fuck.
And I don't know why Michael Jackson didn't pull from
Cameo for some records on Bad I don't know why
he didn't. So but so back to the point with
gn X, I think the point with gen X is

(01:58:57):
dot realized, like the culmination of what's happening in the space,
how to make it his and then represent it at
the perfect time. So it equated to him having more
successful singles than any other album songs. That's probably It's
gonna probably be multiple songs on this album that go diamond.
The album is probably gonna end up somewhere near five
or six million sol. I mean it's a different type

(01:59:20):
of thing. I mean where he's where he culminated that
as an artist. So shout out to quin t to
Quinnity cooling the Gang. That's another one, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
So do you think Prince was able to pull from
somebody like, like you said, Cameo and stuff like that
better than Mike did since Mike didn't pull it because.

Speaker 3 (01:59:37):
Michael Prince was Prince was Prince took from white people
like because you know he had the time Prince put.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Out the time.

Speaker 6 (01:59:47):
Prince James.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Okay, Prince Prince.

Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
But by that time it was over to like by
the late eighties, they wasn't quite they had already kind
of hit their peak because.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
Uh cameo Me was a slow version of Rick James
when I was growing up.

Speaker 6 (02:00:07):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 6 (02:00:10):
I'm not mad that you would know better than us,
but yeah, I'm saying just.

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
Look at the stage performance, the clothing, the way that
they all did things that don't even looked like Rick,
you know what I'm saying. But they was all off
that funk. You know what I'm saying. It was a
slower version to me. That's what Bad didn't have.

Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
He didn't have the funk funk. Yeah, Bad was just
hella poppy like Dirty Diner. These records are really great
pop record.

Speaker 10 (02:00:35):
Anchor talking about the Lady in My Life thriller, the
way he make Billy Jem like those.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
Thriller that were like black songs. It wasn't bad.

Speaker 3 (02:00:51):
And that's what I think with that ship. That ship
had a lot more pop records early on. But GM
next is like hella, hella, hella lost as this black.

Speaker 1 (02:01:01):
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 5 (02:01:02):
Do you think because of how a lot of people
felt about big steppers made him go g next, made
him come out?

Speaker 7 (02:01:09):
No?

Speaker 10 (02:01:09):
I just think he made him. This guy made him
do it. It was on It was on glasses. It
was on glasses right there.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
Like sounds catch the black boy.

Speaker 6 (02:01:24):
I hate the way that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
That what it did sound like to me too. I
told you big steppers are like a cast scratch of
the bulls.

Speaker 5 (02:01:33):
I felt the same way a lot of people felt
about big steppers, a lot of people from you know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:38):
I think that real and I think but that's also
why God is a better artist than I am. Like
he covers more ground, Like I wouldn't cover that fucking ground,
you know what I mean. I keep that between me
and my own ship. But doc, will you know what
I feel like he didn't. Do you think he regret
covering that ground on that?

Speaker 1 (02:01:56):
No? No, I don't think he really give a think
he was when you did covering that? Yeah. Yeah, he's
like a real artist, bro. That is like a much more.
I'm like a real street urban culturist that became an artist.
That is an artist. He always he was a little nigga,
but he always was an artist. So it's not about
the end results. It's about him just putting his music.

Speaker 3 (02:02:17):
Yeah, that's how it is for him, you know what
I mean. It's not really about where everybody else like
it or not. That nigga really be making this ship
and figuring it out.

Speaker 11 (02:02:26):
Do you think that was more like a like a
like a self defining album.

Speaker 6 (02:02:31):
Which one remember it's like Marvin mixed up.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
Yeah, it's like it's like Marvin Gate here my Dear
or that or that or that Usher album?

Speaker 7 (02:02:40):
What's that Usher album? It was a really good album.
It's divorced about seventeen Confessions seventeen.

Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
Not confessions, Oh no, no, no, no, the one later
it was it was it was when he got when
he broke up with the old lady.

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
Was deep as it was dope.

Speaker 6 (02:02:57):
But yeah, I forgot the name.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
To me, It's like Big Steppers is like here, my Dear,
Like you have to be into the artists to really
care about the records. Like that was something for him
and his fans. I'm not truly a fanatic Kendrick, like
I'm a I'm a friend. I'm a fanatic gn X.
I'm not a fanatic of Kendrick as like, he wouldn't
be in my favorite artist He's just my nigga, that's dope.

(02:03:28):
Was a nigga that I think is all time great,
but he not in my list of niggas that I'm
listening to, you know what I mean. Kendrick is all
time great, but that's not my ship.

Speaker 7 (02:03:36):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:03:36):
Gn X is the first DOT album that here I
stand shut out to BV exactly. That was another one
Life is Good by Nas. It's the ones where if
you're into the artist, you know, I mean, that's your
album that connects with them.

Speaker 7 (02:03:50):
I feel like as if as if that that Big
Stepper was an album where where he gave a voice
to the voiceless, you know what I'm saying. So it
was like so the people that that cut and basically
speak with the city he was saying, like the father
Time song, the song with the you know what I'm
saying about his auntie. It was it was given a

(02:04:12):
voice right there, but that.

Speaker 6 (02:04:14):
They didn't have.

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
That's not true. That was the biggest conversation in mainstream media.
That's what I didn't like. It felt too pop.

Speaker 7 (02:04:20):
So now you felt as if I'm going that way
right there, and made people like, it's not more light
on that ship right there, like it was a given
the light was.

Speaker 3 (02:04:29):
Already shining on it. So he kind of brought his
positioning into it based off what he was going through.
So it was all these mainstream topics and things like
at that time, that was a big thing to talk
about people being you know, what do you call those?

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
What pronouns? That's fucked up?

Speaker 6 (02:04:44):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
Pronouns was big at that time. So I felt like it.
I felt like that album is his most pop album.
I know that sounds crazy. Do you feel like that
album was most pop album? Yeah? Four fans like that album? Yes,
so you think they came from his previous album? Was like, man,
we really want to hear him talk about Yes, I
think Dot's core fans is like a very mainstream person.

Speaker 3 (02:05:11):
Do you think that is relevant what's going on? Yeah,
he know everything. That motherfucker be watching everything.

Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
Nigga. You said something about Nigga in the third grade.
He know what you said. So he knows like he
knows the mood of the people.

Speaker 3 (02:05:25):
It's not the mood like he's a really autist share
that is he's a really great artist, bro, because it's
not just the mood of people with him, like he
finds himself where people are something I'm just really figuring
out right now. I just figured out how to do
it right this prime example, this motherfucker knew how to
do it pretty much since damn he figured out like

(02:05:48):
two things.

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
I just figured it out right now. I had a
recordd way.

Speaker 3 (02:05:51):
Before this motherfucker, but he studied and pay attention way
more so, like he found how to align himself at
the time where it sat and present a perspective. I
didn't figure it out till Tupac must dieing. Really now,
I'm like, okay, I see like I'm working on this idea.
Were working on this idea. You and Trap were working
on this idea, and it's like, oh yeah, we're gonna
take all this shit happening and put it into the

(02:06:12):
idea that never used to happen to me before. Like
it was always my personal journey as an artist, as
an artist to reflect what was happening. So I think God, like,
like specifically with you know, big steppers, it is like here,
my dear, it shout out to hymphisms. It is kind

(02:06:32):
of depressing to me when I listened to it, You
know what I mean, It's very rooted in him. But
also remember it's during the pandemic. Yes, when this is
a big conversation, people hurting themselves, like he knew how
to align it. I think most of Dots fans are
very like a mainstream type of audience versus.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
Like gn X.

Speaker 3 (02:06:52):
Even though it's successful, it's not as mainstream. The language
ain't his mainstream. The attitude and his mainstream, but the
rec are so contagious that they're digestible in a different way.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
That's what I saying.

Speaker 4 (02:07:04):
It seemed like every time he does it's like it
fits the public, with the public scoring three.

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
You know, this is the first time that it didn't
the hell No, I think this was the public need.
It's like the public needed this to happen. But this
is the difference.

Speaker 3 (02:07:18):
See, he was always framing for what they wanted. This
is the first time it wasn't about them, and I
could tell it was about where he was at.

Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
But he was already prepared for this.

Speaker 7 (02:07:26):
I was about to say that right there, about to
say a lot of times he means to he means
the fans and nothing. I'm saying the listeners where they're
at and then you'll come here, yeah yeah, come here,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
I felt like he dropped this album because he felt
like he needed to drop this album like he was
pumped up. He wasn't even pumped up, like he got
pumped up like a victory lap. It wasn't because that's
not that. That ain't his temperament. Like you're not like that.
You won't talk about the battle, we just laugh at it.

Speaker 5 (02:08:01):
Do you think he cares about the streets think about
his work? And I kind of felt like the streets
didn't love Big Steppers. It almost like he heard that,
like I need to put this ship out there.

Speaker 6 (02:08:12):
I agree with your.

Speaker 3 (02:08:13):
Coach necessarily ever been his thing. I don't think, not
one of them records that was his thing. I don't
think he really gave a fuck what none of us
like the streets think. I mean when you start talking
about streets, no, now street urban culture, yes, but not
the streets.

Speaker 1 (02:08:28):
This album is. But that's what I mean when I
say street, streets urban culture, but it's different, like this
album is really for the streets, street urban culture. This
is the streets.

Speaker 6 (02:08:40):
This is Yeah, A lot a lot of this album
came up after that pop out.

Speaker 1 (02:08:46):
This this is like from my home, just from my home,
this is where I came from it, but not just that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:52):
This for every ghetto, Like this is a record where
he's not trying to tell the ghetto. He's he's like
this what our mom get down? Versus at first he
would be trying to be a great example you feel
me of what it should be. This is like, nigga,
this is why I'm back. I'm on y'all last.

Speaker 4 (02:09:08):
Whatever do you think in the beginning he was trying
to explain itself more than now to other people.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
That was the first thing I told him when I
was talking to him, I was like, bro like like
he was like, man, I had to grow up.

Speaker 5 (02:09:19):
But this album almost came across like niggas like you were,
you know, a little disappointed with this album. Was almost
like niggas like g niggas like that. They wasn't really
feeling that big step of ship.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
Let me, but I really like this.

Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
I don't think he was worried about me the motherfucker
doing national tours. But but I don't think I don't
think my thoughts followed pears. You hear me, But big
comes always matter.

Speaker 6 (02:09:47):
But check the credits. Coach e X the album, check
the credits telling this.

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
Part is like, this is him. I'm glad y'all got him.

Speaker 3 (02:10:01):
The other ship is him trying to be a better
version of himself. You're getting him now. This is the
nigga that I know.

Speaker 1 (02:10:07):
See all that other ship is him discovering shit about hisself,
trying to be a better person, that role model. Hey hey, hey,
fuck that cut up. I'm telling you, I think he
dropped up. And he was like.

Speaker 11 (02:10:24):
I think as an artist, yeah, get cracking nigga. As
an artist, there's always.

Speaker 5 (02:10:30):
Like you thought, like, man, I gotta be more me.
Maybe he was like, this is the record, I gotta
be more me.

Speaker 3 (02:10:38):
But this is something I used to always say, Like
I felt like y'all needed to meet him, Like, I'm
so glad Drake did that ship he got, Like the
world got to.

Speaker 1 (02:10:48):
Meet him, not the version of him that he wants
you to meet. That's cool, and you got to meet
who he is. Fucking with him and see, this ship
can't be cut. This is uncut like when you make
it records, you could cut it down and digestible. This
hands off squabble. You mean and then so then the
attitude came.

Speaker 3 (02:11:07):
From that into just him making records that fit who
he is at this time, like this is by far
to me, this is his most authentic album.

Speaker 5 (02:11:17):
I would just about that, ask you that before you
feel like this and it's you know what the crazy
thing is? That's really crazy to have your most authentic
album come this late.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
Yeah, but the good Man City way more authentic than
Good king Man City, way more good kid.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
Mass City was more thematic and and.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
Like like I'm going to present the sophisticated taken to
street urban culture, lifestyle and counter like I'm gonna make
it artsy. This is like, yeah, nigg here we go
yesterday something, give you a bunch of give you a
bunch of music. It hold up yesterday. He got songs
that this was all his records. Gonna have a message.

Speaker 6 (02:11:56):
That album huh on the g next.

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
From the as a main message, sucking.

Speaker 6 (02:12:06):
With cool cool.

Speaker 1 (02:12:12):
It's the first.

Speaker 3 (02:12:13):
Record saying listen, bro, this is by far his greatest
opening of all, tell me what's more important.

Speaker 1 (02:12:20):
The nigga started the song saying this how you started
the album? Yesterday? Somebody whacked out my mirror when I
heard that first line. I knew he was in hours
turned the radio ship. Okay, yeah, yesterday somebody whacked out
my mirror. Nigga.

Speaker 5 (02:12:41):
I was like, oh so, even though big Steppers had
me a little concerned when he said that, I was like,
are you about to be sad about this?

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
Or so? When he did continue, I was like, all right,
this is Kenna that ship.

Speaker 3 (02:12:53):
I need him to be strong, Like it's okay to
project masculine energy, not just in a digestible manner, but
it's okay to be the unpologetic for sure. And they
gonna love you your most when you were unapologetic, Nigga,
they gonna love you. Oh you thought they loved that

(02:13:13):
version in you that they thought you was cool and
a nice guy. And you, oh, they don't know you
a little confident animal. Show them because if everybody see that,
you're gonna have your greatest shit. Now, people gonna be
looking at you crazy because they they ain't gonnaquite know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
But Nigga, show them, Nigga, be like you he really
that nigga? Like, Nigga, you really a nigga fool? Like
you get cracking, show them, show them, That's what I'm
screaming at by show them stop playing. Fuck all that nigga,
get to it, make this shit happen. So this album
right here, he was the most comfortable with being himself.
And that's what he said. He tried to grow up, mature,

(02:13:49):
He had the maturity, tried to grow up because that's all.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
I'm like, that's the best thing, bro, Like, that's the
best thing, like him being unapologetically him. It's nothing wrong
with the lead with inspiration and ideas and being greater,
but it's okay also to just beat us.

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 5 (02:14:11):
You as an artist when you heard that out gn X,
did you did you say, Okay, hold him now first listen.

Speaker 1 (02:14:17):
I told Trump, I said this is the best album before.
But did you did it inspire you as artists?

Speaker 7 (02:14:22):
Like?

Speaker 3 (02:14:23):
Okay, I inspired that as an artist, But it's hard
for somebody in hip hop that inspire me, even adopte
niggas like Kendrick or jay Z at this point that
none of them niggas can really inspire me at this point.

Speaker 1 (02:14:33):
So where do you get inspiration from? Arry White? That's it.

Speaker 3 (02:14:37):
I've been listening to very white war ain't no, ain't
in there hip hop can inspire me no more.

Speaker 1 (02:14:43):
I feel that this is past that.

Speaker 3 (02:14:45):
Like I'm I'm I'm at the core black music like now,
I'm at the hardest shoal of it. Like I'm playing
all kinds of fly shit. I'm playing Nigga'm playing Stevie
Wonder Nigga like for real. And I'm like, and I
don't make a rap song that's like this. That's like
I came up with idea for a song that was like, uh,
I was made to love you. It's nothing, nothing like that,

(02:15:06):
but it's like that.

Speaker 1 (02:15:07):
So do you feel like your next album you drop
is gonna be soft food? I don't know. I don't
even know if I'm gonna do an album. I don't
even know if I question something. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:15:20):
But I tell you one thing. The next song I'm
about to drop, I just got it mixed. That motherfucker
or you feel me and it ain't I don't can't
nobody tell me nothing about.

Speaker 1 (02:15:29):
Hip hop no more? Like you know what I mean?
Like I love it too much.

Speaker 3 (02:15:34):
I'm realizing most people don't love it enough to be
talking to me about it, And I have no idea.
They don't have no business talking to me about this.
They don't love this shit like me, don't talk to
me about it. If you it's like a nigga that
don't really love it. Like nigga, you can't talk to
me because you want You don't. You ain't finna go
through what I'm finna go through to do it. Nigga,
I'm making signs for videos, pickets, signs like I love it.

(02:15:56):
It ain't about no money, it ain't about none of that,
but this will love. You have to develop though, right, Yeah,
I didn't love it at first. I didn't know nothing
about it, but now that I do, like, I'm gonna
keep looking. So all you can do is tell me
where to go. But really there's no more space for
hip hop to truly inspire me.

Speaker 1 (02:16:12):
So so so what you're saying all this your best
music is to come. You think your music in front
of you.

Speaker 5 (02:16:17):
Yeah, because even the shit that you I've heard from
you that's coming out and all the other ship, this
shit is like by yo and yo shit is dope
to me.

Speaker 1 (02:16:24):
Look all your ship, but this shit is on.

Speaker 3 (02:16:26):
Some now because now it's like if you listening to
very white bro, if you listening to real like black
music at this court Marvin Gay.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
I'm I'm just off of like some shit for me.
So it's like like it's the only greatness that could
fuck with it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (02:16:44):
Like it's.

Speaker 3 (02:16:46):
I'm past rappers, not like better or worse than I mean,
I'm past rappers being inspiration. Like I don't even see
them as something to emulate anymore. I'm emulating Marvin Gay
as a rapper, like just like my predecessors, Just like
the original guys when they didn't have rap to look to,
they had to be you know what I mean, Like
they had a limited amount of rap, like I would

(02:17:06):
imagine Scarface, you know, could see a lot more Gil Scott,
Jill Scott hearing than run dmc.

Speaker 1 (02:17:14):
So.

Speaker 5 (02:17:14):
Earlier on in the conversation, somebody asked, who would this
guy be in hip hop? Like we were doing R
and B and they were like, who this gotta be
in hip hop? Forgot the name they were using. Do
you feel like at this point in time you you
the burier right of hip because it's.

Speaker 3 (02:17:27):
The only thing that makes sense. Nothing else great enough,
even the niggas that's great, like dog in Them and
whole and face, the guys I love Kanye that's not.

Speaker 10 (02:17:38):
Great enough, Like this is not no more where you
put Ken Kendrick. If he was, he's probably in them conversations.
For sure, he's in the conversations.

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
Who would he be that that name? Oh, he'd be
the the al Green with Who would he be right now?
If I had to pick an act.

Speaker 3 (02:17:55):
In comedy, he'd be daz Ja pel mhmm right to me,
like he just got it pegged down and in R and.

Speaker 1 (02:18:05):
B music or music outside of hip hop. Probably Marvin Gay,
you think so? Yeah, Yeah, it's funny because that's who
I envisioned him.

Speaker 3 (02:18:20):
When I hear him, it is probably like Marvin Gay,
like you know what I mean, Like I think early
Marvin Gay sacrifice a lot of stuff to make sure
people understood what he was doing. But I think when
he caught his stride, it was like and he was
always successful. You know, he was making hit records. He

(02:18:41):
hadn't hit records.

Speaker 1 (02:18:41):
He was popping.

Speaker 3 (02:18:42):
But he reminds me of Marvin Gay, you know what
I mean. Like he's like he like he found this
level of soul at a time when it was really needed.
It wasn't manufactured like like this like this is legit
like this ain't even like other like people saying he
just went West Coast, Like even the musicianship of adding

(02:19:04):
basis like a lot of music is just you know,
not muster muster, get busy, but a lot of other
West Coast music it's kind of eight A waights and melodies.

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
They don't really use the base or that frequency anymore.
Like and for him to kind of go put that
frequency in all that music, like it's like Marvin Gay
to me, you know what I mean, Like like he
like he been successful the whole time, Like Marvin Gay
was successful, we had records. But man, towards the end
of his career, you really could see this China wind
of unapologetic nigga that was like hell of dope. And

(02:19:34):
I think with Dot, you know, even if this is
the last album, I think we got like the most.

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
Unapologetic nigga in the world, and we got a nigga
when the world needed a nigga too.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
But why are you okay last album? You think it's
gonna be his last album? I don't know, shit, It depends.
I think he needs to be motivated to create.

Speaker 3 (02:19:51):
I don't think he like this ain't the business like
he makes business out of music, but that ain't his business.
Like I think his business is raising his kids and
living his life. He made enough money to be fund
you know what I'm saying. He's straight, so it'll be
hard for him to motivate himself for money, you know
what I mean, or just to put out another album,
like he would have to have like a story that
he wants to tell. And you know, I don't know,

(02:20:12):
you know, I don't know what motivated him at this point.
How do you get motivated after this? Usually people get
motivated after this because of money, But like now, you
you already made money.

Speaker 1 (02:20:23):
You already had a national tour for me this.

Speaker 3 (02:20:25):
You have multiple national arena tours, you have multiple number
ones before this, and now you finally just hit the pinnacle, Like, right,
you just super Bowl five games for one song, give
me arena tour? Like what motivates you after this to
kind of really make music? Like you you're finna spend
a lot of time away from your family, right, You're
finna be on this role. He already spent a lot

(02:20:46):
of time away from his family now, so it's like,
you know, they don't want to raise his kids and
all of that that shit mattered to him.

Speaker 5 (02:20:53):
Yeah, I do want to say this about uh our
Mount rush Moore, the no feelings around Mount Rushmore. I think,
I honestly think it might be the best route Mount
worsh Moore that could be put put together.

Speaker 1 (02:21:10):
They think it's gonna be the best.

Speaker 5 (02:21:11):
I'm interested to see other people my mind worsh More,
but I don't think it's.

Speaker 1 (02:21:14):
Gonna be better than ours. I think that what you
say we got the best one, I think we got
the best one.

Speaker 5 (02:21:18):
I'm really I want to see others, but I think
that I think those are the two best Mount rush
More for the male female for sure, male female male.
I feel yeah, I feel like it's like both of
the other best. Those are the best Mounts Rushmore.

Speaker 3 (02:21:34):
Shout out to the diamond Back Photography to Homy, what's up, Brodie,
thank you for the two dollars. What's your rating for
Maya vocally? I have already heard enough of mine singing.
Immediately the six come to mind, but she's probably better.

Speaker 1 (02:21:46):
What do you think you're six Maya vocally? Yeah, I
haven't heard enough of her singing, but because of y'all,
like I heard, it makes me think of a six seven.

Speaker 3 (02:21:55):
Yeah, six seven is fair, theyself love, thank you for
the two dollars.

Speaker 1 (02:22:01):
Play take him on the deep dive of Brandy. I
got you all a copella too. I don't want no
fucking music.

Speaker 11 (02:22:08):
I'm gonna shave you. Yeah, I'm gonna shave the ropes.

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (02:22:11):
Thank you Diamond Back Photograpy for that five dollars. The
instrumental that John Mure is a masterpiece. Sound Way made
that beat with Cocoa Leve's I'm Crying They'll Find example
was beautifully crafty.

Speaker 1 (02:22:20):
Nigga.

Speaker 3 (02:22:21):
I remember sound Wave was whack, so I hit South
Wave on the DM. I was like, man, I'm so
proud of you, bro. He got so dope. Man, Him
and Ali, them niggas got hello dope. That's young and devoted.
They've been devoted, so all the best things should happen
to them. Man, they hello dope. Shout out to Nick,
thank you for that five dollars. Shout out to g

(02:22:42):
and the lunch table east side that port yep Wes.
Shout out to Mow they self love for the two dollars. No,
mister Morale slander.

Speaker 1 (02:22:51):
I just slander it. I just said it sounded like
cast scratching paper that.

Speaker 6 (02:22:57):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
What's that he's saying that he don't get. I don't
think it's that bad.

Speaker 5 (02:23:02):
He thinks if he's telling the truth to himself, if
it's a glasses fact, it means.

Speaker 1 (02:23:07):
Is it really slander? Super stretching. It wasn't like a
pain when y'all listen to the album, Like we argue
with the lady on that solid Yeah, not my favorite
the cards trap off that you dirty ass bitch, you
punk ass, that's your I.

Speaker 6 (02:23:26):
Said, only had to hear it one time and recognize
how great it was.

Speaker 5 (02:23:32):
Trap You listened to it one time because there was
nothing else play backable, like you didn't want to listen.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
That ship hurt that ship like I listen to it.

Speaker 3 (02:23:43):
That's the thing about Doc, Like I listened to all
the albums at least a couple of times straight through,
right because he that type of artist. Damn was my
Damn was my Probably the it was the second or
third best one section eighty was up there see your
next by far as just the ship.

Speaker 1 (02:24:03):
Yeah, I knew I wasn't gonna like big steppers when
see and that's weird to me. Shout out to Moses
he said, we cried together. It's fire. Just fire wouldn't
be the thing I would describe to speak on that song.
I know like fire, Bro, I didnt know. I wasn't
gonna like the big steppers when too many young kids
like that, like I'm more depressed, motherfucker. Yes, too many

(02:24:24):
Step and six on me.

Speaker 6 (02:24:26):
You heard father niggas.

Speaker 3 (02:24:31):
You gotta appreciate his range as an artist. I do
appreciate as an artistry as an artist. I'm a huge
Kanye West fan.

Speaker 5 (02:24:43):
Let me ask you six six and Trap yeap, what's
better big Steppers or g next to y'all.

Speaker 11 (02:24:48):
They're completely different albums.

Speaker 1 (02:24:52):
For different albums, but one is better than others to y'all.

Speaker 12 (02:24:58):
It's literally just completely It's like comparing the Power Forward
to a point Guard shout.

Speaker 1 (02:25:03):
Out to and I'm listening to that. Motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (02:25:06):
Now, gee, you listen to this nigga argue with this
lady on this song in the middle of this. You
a sick nigga, bro.

Speaker 7 (02:25:11):
You just like you.

Speaker 12 (02:25:13):
I'll admit the argument part is a little much, but
that that I can't pick that one moment and judged
the whole album for that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:21):
But the whole album is sad.

Speaker 11 (02:25:23):
Yeah, but I mean some people are said, I understand.

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
That's that's why I said.

Speaker 3 (02:25:27):
It sound like the pain of cat scratching papers like
shout Out to thank You for Do Dollars, my favorite
album still in rotation all day.

Speaker 6 (02:25:37):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:25:37):
I played that ship two or three times. That was it, Jack,
He said, I hate to say it being from Watts,
but I like J Cole over K DO. That's not crazy,
Actually not crazy. That's not crazy.

Speaker 6 (02:25:52):
Go ahead and they I think that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:00):
Out there. I see y'all Friday, man.

Speaker 3 (02:26:10):
But looking out for tuning into the Note Sellers podcast.
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