Can There Be Pride Without Shame

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really don't do that type of video, Like it doesn't fit,
you know, me being a storyteller.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
So trying to schedule this one correctly.

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Because it's like it's such a posse cut, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
What I mean.

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a lot. It's overwhelmed me, so you have to really
delegate it. And as you organize it, you know everybody,
you know, they they don't know everybody.

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You know.

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You would like people to help, but you realize why
you have to be a little bit more hands on
with it to see the vision all the way through.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
That makes sense, It's just it's it's intense, bro, It's intense.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
And then you could do all of this ship right Pete,
and a motherfucker won't even see the video.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Oh yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
That's the crazy part.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Like for canceled, I did some really dope videos and
people just didn't see them.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
I remember the way you deal with baby Bash and
didn't that one.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
That was the worst part. Not I didn't put him out.
I'm talking about people didn't see them once I put
him out.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I'm not even talking about one you can't put out
that just ain't good enough, Like one of the La
Giants songs was like that I got. I got four
videos in the can that I never put out, Oh okay,
because they just wasn't good enough.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
But you talk about once you put out that just
wasn't good enough.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
No, they were good enough, but people just didn't see them.
Oh okay, you know what I mean, Like you not
to market. Yeah, like uh tour was dope, was dope.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Like I have some dope ideas and people just.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Don't see them. So you could put this much into
art and people just won't see it. So it's interesting,
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this together is like you, it's like a brain child,
Like you know what I mean, It's like you going
over the top and you have to make people see it. Now,

(05:48):
what good is being dope? If only two people know?
That's kind of why. Like I don't agree with Kanye
West and the stuff he's doing, but I get why.
This is the type of tantrum he had to throw
in his mind to make sure everybody see his art.
That's my problem trap. I know why he's doing it.

(06:09):
Now my issue is when it leaves this space of
genuineness or things done in good faith. This is not
done in good faith. You gotta no, because you know
damn well, the Nazis and what's happening in the ghetto
streets of America is completely different.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
So to even reference them to.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Kitter, to that kind of Boulet type of black audience,
or to white people who already feel like black people
making excuses for why shit is fucked up for them
in America is raggedy. That's my problem. My brother asked me,
He's like, man, why do you want to fight Kanye?
And I'm like, because he's one of my favorite people,
and I know he's misleading people. Like the one thing

(06:52):
I expect out of my top five boring.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Ross why barn Ross?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Because Ross shit is built on a fantasy, like it's
built on a level of street urban culture, like people
that's hustling in a certain way that come from these ghettos.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
But it's also more of a fantasy land. But snoop Jay.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Face especially face, you know, and Yay, I expect nothing
but things done in good faith, kay.

Speaker 6 (07:24):
Because nothing says good faith like Kanye West.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
And it's like, I know he knows there's a difference,
or he maybe don't, which goes into the conversation I've
been having with Trapp where I don't quite think he's
at street urban culture as we would like to believe.
I think because he said Chicago, we automatically, oh, yeah,
he gotta be from street urban because niggas, that's a
black man from Chicago. And it's like, I think that

(07:49):
part of it could also be maybe overinterpolated, you know
what I'm saying. I think we're giving him a little
bit too much credit. Sometimes it's hard. Like me and
Trapp used to talk about this trap to think I'm crazy,
but I think like parents like trapping them age lectioning
them age. You know, this generation of parents, my generation
of parents, like where I would be if I had

(08:10):
a kid. They raised their kids completely different than we
were raised. True that a lot of kids like like
still Son, still kids, you know, shout out to my
big brother. Still they don't really understand They don't really
understand blackness the way we do. Now they're black and

(08:32):
obviously you get that, but like they don't quite get
it the way we get it, you know what I mean,
Like like they really don't think it's really this racist world.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Like the struggles we went through.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
Versus yeah, like not equited of it, like we knew it,
like we we knew it, like we wasn't that far disconnect.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
We knew it, Like, man, motherfuckers. They more like, see
I got equal opportunity. I was telling squish this.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I'm like I was telling them, I'm like, my fear
is poverty is disappearing because people don't really believe they're
being oppressed.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
I think a conversational pivot has happened in wealth distribution
conversations in general, where people went from complaining about being
about complaining about the fact that they were poor to
complain about the fact that another guy is rich. I
think that's a pretty significant shift in tone.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
M Yeah, understood.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I just he brought this topic up right, like can
there be proud without shame?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
And it was such a unique, you know, conversation, and
it's like that's like, that's like Kanye, you know what
I mean that that made me think of him right,
Like is he ashamed of himself?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Like I think that I think he's smart enough to
know completely right that Okay, if let's say he knows,
Let's say he knows right, Let's say he knows. Does
he know he's misleading people by trying to compare what's
going on in the streets when it comes to crime

(10:28):
and street up and culture that lifestyle with what the
Nazis did, Like, does he really I cannot believe he
doesn't know that they're completely different, like he got it.
I think he has to know that these are two
people fighting and you listen to people talking about fighting
each other versus what specifically happened with the Nazis, you

(10:52):
know what I mean, and Jewish people, Like he has
to know.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
I think he's more so on on it to a
level of them just profiting off the hip hop culture.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
You know what I'm saying. I think that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Can't you can't make something up? Trap what you think
he's saying.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
He's saying that I was.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
To say that I was gonna say, like the Trap's defense.
He's kind of gone.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
In two directions on that topic because there has been
a lot.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Of Jewish corporate.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
You know, c suite discussions and also that you know,
so there's this Jewish thing going on, but then there's
also simultaneously this parallel between like racially defined violence and
it just being the fact that there's there's between local
and racially defined. But he's so there there are two dimensions.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
They're not even remotely close.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
I don't think they're close. I'm saying he's just said
both of those things.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
He said both of.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Them, but that's not what he's saying, like out to
facts their exclusive legs with up Bros.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Six Square staking for Moderae Tree. What's the deal? No, Cu,
what's having a black team?

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I don't think this current Nazi thing that he's doing
now is a continuation of his Jewish corporate boardroom ownership
thing from like last year or whatever.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I think those No, he's doing that right now, he's
tweeting it right now. He's specifically saying, he specifically said
Jewish people are profiting from black pain. So why is
he man that he's wearing black pain. It's like Nigga
that is not remotely close to.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
The same thing. It's not even remotely close.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
What I'm saying is to the point of him saying,
like they're profiting off of black pain, and which is
which is the music he would rather off of?

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Black pain? Is what he's saying.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, he don't know, don't don't don't have a point
neither this, Kanye.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
I'm telling you, that's what he's saying.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
That's not what he's saying. I'm listening to what he's saying.
You're hoping this is what he means, because you don't
want to consider that it's just selfish and really don't
have a bottom line or a point.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
And it's just really even.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
If it's about if it's about them profit enough of
you know what I'm saying, people talking about killing each
other and ship like that.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Though the Jewish.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Equivalent to what happened with Nazis and Jewish people.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
It's not, it's not. It's not. It's not. It's not.
It's not a comparison.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Hearing it is.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yes, he's using them in the same reference paragraph all
the times. And then obviously he's catering to a bunch
of black people, like a version of Boulet people or
people who just don't know what else to do. So
like Sherry, where they're just looking to they already mad,
they already feel like, oh this is ignorant, blah blah blah.
And it's like, I cannot believe Kanye has no complete

(13:58):
idea that these are two different PEPs. This ain't even
like Israel versus Hamas or nothing like.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
This is different.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
So this morning I was talking to Doucemac, right, and
Douchemac was saying, and Douce Mac was saying like he was.
He was saying, like, there's a lot of rappers, a
lot of rappers that are anti street, right, which they
are anti people talking about how they had to come
up or how they're surviving, right, whatever crime that is, right,

(14:32):
And he was saying that they have such a problem
with that type of artist, right, But then again they
turn around and rap about the same things. They'll start
rapping gun bars or violent bars, but they have no
cognitive understanding of what that means. And he was saying
it was a lot of rappers like that, and I
thought about it, and even like A J. Cole, who

(14:54):
I consider had one of the greatest twenty careers of all.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Hip hop artists, Right, he'll.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Say some things and I don't think he quite understands
that that came from something real. He'll reference murdering in
MC but he felt like, well, I'm doing it poetically, Nigga,
That's not how it was intentionally created by the artists
that decided to use that. And I was telling him,

(15:19):
I remember when certifiers first came out, and it was
like big Man like I said, Certified was like fifty
six on the charts for some new watchcrip rap nigga
on a big billboard high one hundred charts, right, And
I remember I had a line in there, laughing at
these rap niggas running from shug. That was one of
the lines, right. And I remember my intention when I

(15:42):
wrote that is to run in the shug like and
I noticed I wrote everything I say with intentions to
say it to the person that I'm talking to. When
I rap, huh, what were you gonna say? The sugar
nor from you?

Speaker 1 (16:01):
That's actually I did ask him that too. It's funny.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
But did you do a whole song It's called something
like like shure, Yeah, a whole song.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
But but but the point I'm saying is to peach point,
like it's a bunch of people kind of You see
a lot of people on the internet talking crazy and
you could prove them in a lie, but because they
don't have no shame, you know what I'm saying, it
won't matter.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
And that's what I think it is with.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
These MC's, Like all these mcs who be anti street,
but then they start using things that were popularized in
the streets. But then you try to use them metaphorically
or poetically. It's weird. Like I was telling somebody the
other day who was I talking to. I was talking
to Homie Champ and I was telling Champ. I was like, look, Champ,
he was like, glasses.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
You don't think what was his term he said. He
was talking to me about game.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
He said that don't bother you that, you know, something
that caused the lives of so many young men is
now you know, national and people are just picking it
up and they're doing anything. And I'm like, no, I
don't see it like as this thing that's just people die,
you know what I mean. I see it that chilling
with my homeboys, my homeboy teaching me how to fish,
me trying to make money meat, Like I see more

(17:19):
of the glass half full than the glass half empty.
And he was like, yeah, but you don't look at
it frown on it. I'm like, I said, no, that's
that's what you know, street urban culture is all about.
That's what black people do when they get a hold
of some culture, especially at the poorest levels, right, they
do that. And I was like, that's like if hip hop,

(17:40):
like imagine New York seeing me rapping, and they like, man,
look at so West Coast nigga trying to rap nigga.
You don't know, Like I don't. He's like, well, that's different,
you know. I'm like, that's not different that like you
you thought hip hop belonged to all of us, know,
that was New York nigga shit.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And then we got our hands on it.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I said, So, what do I look like being upset
that somebody's claiming grave street wats in New Jersey? I'm
more flattered, you know what I'm saying. So I told
him that's what we do. I said, imagine if taco
stayed in Mexico, in just the poorest ghettos of Mexico,
or if spaghetti stayed in the poorest ghettos of Italy.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
That's what we do. That's what poor people do. We share,
culture spread, we share.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
So random question in the macro because there's not data
available to like research this, So just in your opinion,
let's say, like of like violent street crime whatever, there's
a certain amount that's priced in, and then you inject

(18:50):
like intergenerational gangs on top of that. That's what I
was kind of saying like on the pod yesterday or
maybe it was off of back, I can't remember. How
like you can be like sixties in there for three
four generations, but like sort of little cruise in Oakland
or Miamia are sort of they come, they go, they're gone,
then the new people come a truck.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Do you think that having gangs like that where you.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Can like you can inherit a beef, but you also
have stability, So is it a net positive or a
net negative? And that like people will say, like a
Tsadam Hussein was like a brutal leader, but shit was stable.
You take him out and it goes crazy, you know.
So like do you think relative to like what the

(19:33):
priced in amount is that that actually reduces or adds to.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
In the in the macro like.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Aggregate short be given to me. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Do you think that having gangs that are perpetually there,
you know, and that you come into a gang that's
constant so people go out and people come in, but
like the gang has its area, it's goddess people whatever,
do you think that it reduces more like power vacuum
violence so to speak, Then it creates by virtue of

(20:06):
people coming into existing conflicts.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Mm, well, so that's one of those things that's overstated.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
People don't really come into existing conflicts the way you
would think.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
You're pretty much gonna have your own shit going on,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like, shout out to the Black Team much love Black Tea.
What up, John p Lex, show it up? Yeah, this
show is dope. Dudes claiming Grape Street in New Jersey
is extremely corny, not really bro okay, So, like this
is gonna sound crazy because I understand the history of
Grape Street, right versus y'all. Well, y'all like Grape Street, No,

(20:45):
I understand when it first started, it's wat's video great?

Speaker 5 (20:49):
Right?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
If you go to most of the older dudes from
Gray Street that's in their sixties and seventies, all of
them got w VG tatted on them. What's video great? Right,
So that feels like it's Grave Street. But there's a
layer and a difference of that particular group of men together.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
And then now they.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Have ESK right east side kids and they have other
gangs there. That's these are the gods that's in their
fifties and sixties, right, and then so now here they
are doing a thing blah blah blah. Great street forms
right after the tail end of that when you hear
people say great street wise, right, And then after that

(21:33):
right comes this really popular expressing. Everybody heard baby Low
cryp Right, that's guys that's in their fifties and forties
ESK east Side kids, so forties and fifty right, baby
low crip. Everybody heard them nigga say on baby Low.
That's kind of a different but the same gang. So
they're gonna have unique problems than the guys from Watch

(21:54):
Body of grapead because they're a group of young men
and poor people going around making their own legacy, trying
to build their own name. So that situation looks different, right,
does that make sense? And then after that, right, you
got the guys that's my generation, right, the guys as
and they that's in their forties, late thirties.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right, that's Peterole Dutch Town.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
So if you ever heard somebody like a great Street
thing on Peterow or Da Da Da, that's another gang
right there that's kind of in the same umbrella as
the Grape Street moniker.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
The point I'm saying is it's not like one gang
that goes in these same.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Guys like the older guys won't have a problem with
the Bonnie Hunters, but this generation got a problem with
the Bonniehunners, you feel me.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
And then so it comes.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Across like here it is all these guys beef, and
it's not. If all these guys beef, the violence the
crime wright will be way higher.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Does that make sense? You get what I'm saying? Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
So it's like that's the same thing for Long Beach.
Long Beach is for like in the insayings they have,
you got the insagings, that's trade n of age, right.
Then you got the guys that's my age, right, the
Hammy Clint Sight, They youngs. I mean they youngs, right,
Fred is a young I think Fred is from young Yeah, right,
they're my age and younger. And then you got the

(23:19):
generation like d W Flame uh uh sobby third babies,
and they all kind of have their own ecosphere going.
It's all kind of shit happening. What makes their movement
unique outside of it? So I think where the concept
believe is like these are you know, the inner generational beasts.

(23:42):
There are certain gray streets that don't even meet a trades.
Let me see there's certain six oers that don't even
meet a trades.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Try to get that.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
I mean, that's probably the same thing if you were
to analyze like Italian mafias and different families when they
have a different leader have different peace and conflict eras
based off of the like trajectory. That's like, forget what
family that one dude that god he killed, you know,

(24:15):
big Big Joe or a big PAULI whatever. I'm sure
like that ten year period had its leadership structure and
its agenda. He's gone, you have new leadership, there's a
new agenda with new people involved. So they might have
a different relationship with different people, different groups, so there's
gonna be different dynamics in different chemistry.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
I don't think it's probably any different in any other way.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Shout out to Diamond Basket Time.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I'm not knocking it, but it does feel odd to
represent from a hood in another state in constant grind.
If I remember correctly, the bloods we sourced from Swans,
but none of them said they were from Swans. Okay,
so imagine like you starting to rap and you don't
call it hip hop, but you pretty much emulating hip hop.
What's more, of a h a weird move, the fact

(25:02):
that you actually emulating what these guys are doing and
then to deny it came from them, or to accept
it and then.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Put your own spin on it.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Like when I go to Gray Street in Jersey again,
like I just told you the history of Gray Street
that they don't have to have a great in Jersey,
but there's a lot of Gray Street.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Wasn't Gray Street at first?

Speaker 4 (25:24):
How did that happen? Did a guy from Grape Street
like move there? Or did they just somebody went to
prison there? Okay, So it's like it's not about the
street signs, you know what I mean? And this is
the hardest part to understand. The pride that comes in.
This is about the people. It's not the sign the sign.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
That's why I keep giving you different names, right, I
keep telling you the same gang. And they're not subsets.
They're actually weirdly, they're their own games. It's like, it's
not like the United States of America with his effect tax.
It's like that's why that's why people fight each other
within these situations like some are but then some do

(26:08):
their own thing.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So don't get me wrong, Like.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
I can get the feel of a subset, but it's
a little trickier. It's not about the street sign, if
that makes sense, you know. I mean, it's not about
the street sign. It's about the people. The comaraderie to
get down. The street sign don't matter. So you can
get a Hoover in Houston, and like I've been with
the Hoovers in Houston, and I respect they get down
because really it's their friends and their family and their homies.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
They got their own beasts, they don't.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
It ain't like when when Hoover went down there, Oh,
we don't like neighborhoods.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
They gonna have their own enemies.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
They gonna have a bunch of other guys that's fighting
over the same resources that they fighting over, and that's
gonna be the person they're competing with and and and
having issues with.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Right, So it's not like you know, now, I got it.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I had a conversation with homie from a trade in
New York and is big in New York, shout out
to the hommies out there, But they were trying to
absorb the neighborhood beef. And I remember telling them, like,
that's not really the thing to do. You're gonna have
your own enemies. You in New York, trust me, it's
gonna be some people that do not like you exist

(27:17):
and they want to compete for whatever you're whatever you're
trying our team, You're gonna make your own beasts, just
like every generation of a game. My older homies, they
class the most, were Promenodes. Every Promenokee I ever met
my life has usually been the coolest motherfucking the world.

(27:38):
My younger homies they had they thing with the Monas.
The Monas was my guys. We cut our bones beefing
with Carver Parks. The carver Parks and my homies are
the closest. The younger homies is the closest people in
the world. So it's not quite in a generation of
you know shit you absorbed? Is that because they only
look at it like crips only beef with bloods?

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Is that part of the reason too, No, it's just
a nuance that like crips can't be for crips. Just
I'm talking about the public. See the way the public
views it, mm hmm, because I know how it works myself.
So I'm talking about the public viewing it that way.

(28:22):
They don't have any information that's the point of hip hop.
It's supposed to be the CN end of the ghetto.
So like I broadcast detailed, nuanced understanding of what's happening
in the ghetto, and that may not be the greatest thing.
Like I'm a lot more Barbara Walters or whoever that
specialist is than just the main dream version of Don Lemon,

(28:42):
you know that just kind of glances over the ship,
like I'm calling the game for real, this is the game.
This ain't ESPN. I'm not stephen A. Smith giving you
the highlight the dunk or who's the people that do
the highlights?

Speaker 5 (28:56):
You know?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
You know whoever does this saying my wraps ain't Sports Center?
Other people raps are sports Center. Here go to slam dump.
A lot of niggas movies are Sports Center rap dump.
Here's a dude, map cord, here's a steal. You know,
remember they wrap a forty eight minute game in less
than sixty seconds.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Boy, Pete, they have you're.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
The thirty for thirty. Here's what we're doing seventeen for
seventeen seventy minute, deep deep research, bio, real, real life, you.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Know, shorts.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
We don't have to be a thirty minute. Shit about
thirty for thirty. Fuck it, we're doing seventeen for seventeen that.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
But that's how my raps are anyway, Like my wraps
are not like the surface level like not this and
nobody else. But I'm saying they have a surface level taste.
So that's why people think, like gangs is about street
signs color, that's a surface level Take my shit is not.
This ain't a film. This is a documentary, you know
what I mean. I'm walking you really through the nuances

(30:03):
of it, and and I and I accept what it
is as a responsibility.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
So like because I think we're kind of getting at it,
like different.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Neighborhoods or different crews have like a different like cultures,
like nuances of culture. Right, So for example, like you
said south Side back in the day, south Side was
really about getting their their their bread, like that was
kind of their thing, versus like say you would discuss
Devers were like they were with the ship like for real.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
But but I also don't want to conflate like the
south Side that was gangsters the whole time.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
They just had homies.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
That was rich too, deals had some deals has some people.
But yes, I agree you're right, but like the branding
aout definitely rich people.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
They have rich homies.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
Sure, so like I see a culture within your neighborhood
that would be you take that somewhere else or whatever.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
You know that that might specifically embody more with you
and your ten people that fuck with you were about
than just something broader or more generic. It's like, nah,
we don't really don't get out like them. This is
this is what we're really about.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
But that's gonna be. And that's what happens in every generation.
It gets defined a little different. Shout so far.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
As white grape is over there, some guy says, this
is what grape is to me and to us. I'm
here now, so this is what we're about. If you
fucking with me, this is how we do it.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I don't, yes, yes, I mean this is how it sounds.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Ten Trade Day in Newark, bro It was more people
at the ten Trade Day in Newark than the one
and watch that I believe for sure. I mean, and
I knew that that ship was real.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Mhm. They wasn't. That, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Like hip hop they took they have some of the
things that we identify, and they have some things, but
they have a special way that they do it. That's
what I respect. That's what I respect about the Ugs
and flat Bush. That's what I respect about the one
Aighties and the Bronx. That's what I respect about the
Brands and and and.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Staten Island.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
This is what I respect A Trays and this is
what I respect about them. They have their own way
and that's why they get my respect.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Now, if you're trying to emulate what some other brothers
is doing, you're trying to beat them, then that's where
you would lose. But Nah, when I went to the
ten Trade Day in Newark and that projects bro them
niggas was out there, and I could tell they had
a flair that made me like see it, Like, oh
that's player.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
These niggas. It's East Coach cripping.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
It ain't really not like the gang East Coast, but like, yeah,
nigga tried state cript. These niggas really had their own
flare and I respected it, Like I was like, oh
this player, I can fuck with these niggas.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I mean, but I didn't look at it, huh.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
With Harlem's like like like Pea Stones has a Chicago
route right, Yeah, the l a Ones.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, because because the boy came from recipes of the
t Rogers, he came from Chicago and brought it here.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Here's the perfect example. He made it. He made it
fit Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Like if if he tried to raise that exact same
version of stones in La we don't have the atmosphere
the ecosystem to grow it. But because he catered it
to fit this particular part of the earth, it ended
up becoming one of the most powerful group of men
in the history you know of street up and culture.
Like they're a powerful group of people. Uh, set out

(33:50):
to the Donna streets. I was tweeting this. I was saying,
that ship we went going everywhere else down the streets
in Vegas is dope.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
Make that ship that like the like descriptions right there
for real, for real?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Shut out to John, Welcome to the Lost Table, my guy,
Oh I send you here.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
You give me ship.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
But Malone, don't you also take up artistic privilege by
altering the story.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Altering which story specifically? Tem Rodgers is one of the
coolest people I.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Ever met in the streets ever, like a man of wisdom,
you know what I mean? I never forget. We went
and ate at at the Roscos in Inglewood, right.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
We met up. I was helping him with some film stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
When I was helping him, and he just he always
showed me love his son rest in peace to his son.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Was like, that was really my guy. Lucky was my guy.
And we ate and.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
When I went I was waiting on him right now,
tem Rodgers, No, I'm a crib from the east side whatever,
but you know so I'm glasses whatever. So we're in
Inglewood right, blood Central and Inglewood, you know, in the
center of it, especially some of the root more roofless
bloods and history.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
So we in there.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
I'm waiting on him. He come sit down, and where
my back is at? He like, ain't no door behind me?
He said, Now, young glasses, before we start this meeting,
he said, it's on me. First off, I'm treating, he said,
but if we need to get up out of here,
you know, how are we getting up out of here?
He was saying that there was no doors behind your cloak.

(35:31):
I said, yea, I'm gonna go through this window.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Dude, top like Malcolm got all that ship from him,
Like you don't like how.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
Funk sha works with lighting.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Sure, Malcolm will walk into a restaurant and have to
sit there's only two three tables in the joint. He'll
actually sit down at for purposes a strategic movement.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Ridiculous. No, see, but at the table. Yeah, I had
to go through windows. I don't look for doors. I
look through for windows. Table through window.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Like that's drywall. We can go through that easy.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
If it's.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yo, yo, look for the door. Oh, shout out to John.
He said. The narrative of the death row chain.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
So it's not a narrative right that there's a thing
that that people believe happened and people that didn't believe happened.
It's always been right up the middle for people. The
person the person in actual question that it didn't happen.
Tray said it didn't happen to him. He told me, like, man,
that didn't even happen. They didn't get my chain, but

(36:43):
everybody else said they got a chain. And that is
the conversation of the story. So that's the point of it.
I don't, I don't to me. If if no chain
is took right, then Tupac just looks like a gang member.
Specific I'm sorry to catch all up with two pac
months die. So Trayvon from the mob. Trayyon is Trayon

(37:06):
Lane from the mob.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
We talked after. You know, he felt some kind of
way like, man, Glass, you're telling this story. You made
me look.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I guess he felt like it wasn't flattering, you know
what I mean. And he was like, man, they ain't
even get my chain. But there's other honemies from the
mob that said it did. That's not important. When he
told you that, no, no, there was no bounty on
the change. That was a lie too. That was never
a real bounty. Again, the l a thing Mark is

(37:34):
you don't really people snatch change because that's just what
you do when you're in the fight. It's not really
the bounty.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Who was supposed to be You said it was supposed
to be a bound on a chain.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
This was the ship that people said, puff said, but
none of nobody ever verified that it would have been aget,
it'd have been a different target. So nobody believed that
that that's probably not true. But so he was saying
that he felt that the conversation. But I'm like, okay,
imagine if I tell that story and it was just
a gang fight and now Tupac rushed that manner.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Tupac looks like a gang maker, Like it's already questions.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
It's like, I don't know if you really want to
do it that way, Like at this point you still
The reason that part of the story makes sense, John,
is because it gives you the chance to see Tupac
either as being a loyalist to somebody that he felt
was a friend, or you could see him as somebody
acting like he's from the mob and wanting to participate
in the street. I gave you an option, John, Like

(38:43):
you have an option now, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
So I understood what trade was mad for. You know
what I mean. But again, it's like everybody told the story.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
They not gonna protect your legacy because I'm gonna have
way more respect for you than everybody else because I
know what you've been through.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
The rest of these people don't give too fucks about you.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
So that is the way to flip it through.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
But I always say that all the time.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
It be certain people online it's like Adam twenty two,
Like Adam twenty two don't have no shame? Yeah, Like,
how do you argue with somebody who you know you
don't even care if his old lady sleep with the
other men.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
You know what I'm saying. You said, Okay, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
That's the John. But that's what I'm saying. You alfered
the narrative from what is probably true. No, I didn't
offer the narrative because there's always been this conflict of
what's true and what's not.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
You probably is as subjective in that.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, there's no The truth is questionable and probably it's
not realistic. It's it was always people who said it did,
and people said it well everybody else said he did.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
One person said it did, and that one person.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Yeah, but like at all, just inherently giving the nature
of how that all played out, hasn't it.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
Set up to say it didn't?

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Sure, shout out the dog Walk Rehab. Sorry I'm late, guys.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
We can start now, and we was waiting we started, boy,
I'm sure he was waiting on you.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
He learned from King, So you know, he's just following
the rules.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
That's what I tell exactly. That's what I tell the
hummies all the time. Like I'm not really cut out
to dude what they do. Like at the community, I'm
like the people you're arguing with don't have no shame,
like all the people on the internet argument you can't
have no shame. Like like if I got my ass
with the ship, I just wouldn't be showing up on

(40:37):
the internet talking ship for sure. I'd be like, yeah,
I ain't like these niggas to get beat up and
be talking crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
The next day, Aaron the Plumber.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Clumber.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
He said, you know, Share is somewhere mad as condo facts,
but that goes along with what you're saying, people talking
shit and really, don't you know I don't want it. Yeah,
I'm telling you. I was listening to my repression fit.
I was reading his tweets and it was just like

(41:19):
I was reading his tweets and he was just going
off as ship and he was just like talking shit
about black people. He was like, you know, I don't
like fucking with you know niggas because you know, they
get mad and they want to fight. You don't like,
you couldn't have been around black people Like that's not
the story. But I think again, it's a bunch of

(41:39):
people who conflate with what they see is going on
on the internet. And he had no shame, like he's
sitting his black ass up there on that video saying
all that shit. He don't have no shame. How your
black ass sitting up there on that thing doing that.
You can't have no shame. So that means you can't
have no pride.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
You can't. So if you got if they're shamed, there's
no pride.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
If there's no shame, there's no shame.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
There's no pride.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Like there can be a yang without a yang, so
to speak.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Is that fair trap?

Speaker 5 (42:07):
Yeah, for the most part, you know, I mean, I
mean what you're saying, Like.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
For example, women live in a universe without consequences. We
can all agree on that, right, there's no consequences. Can
there really be disciplined? No, because discipline is based on
the idea that consequences exist.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
So with no discipline, is there same.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
With no discipline?

Speaker 9 (42:37):
Yeah, with no discipline, there is if you if shame
and consequences exist.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
Yeah, but see with with then no pride, Yeah, pride
coming for the shame though like that with then with
with with the saying that the discipline but a shame,
I guess so I guess you, I guess we speaking.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
A different spectrum lines but they're parallel.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
No, because that goes back to the subject of Kay,
you know what he did was that prideful thing he
felt he did you know for himself, that was shameful
to everybody else and he just don't recognize it now.
So so here's a perfect example. Right, we use this
term bitch ass nigga in the community, right, A lot

(43:33):
of these times we use. But I don't think we
understand wish language. No, No, I get, but I get
people don't understand what these things. It means that as
a male, you're acting like a woman, right, and acting
like a woman could be a few things, right. One
of the things is unaccountability right where you lack accountability

(43:54):
like Kanye.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
So somebody would look at him right now say he's
acting like.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
A blah blah blah because right now, like if he's
talking about his kids, he's like, none of y'all speaking
up for me, and everybody is looking at him like nigga.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Everybody told you don't mess with this lady. This lady is.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Not Hip hop has a golden rule. It's been through
and through since the eighties. This is a street urban rule.
Do not turn a hole into a housewife. So when
you decided that you were not under the guise of

(44:38):
these cultural standards, You're like, I'm better than that. I'm
going to be the biggest pop artists in the world.
I'm going to be Walt Disney. I'm going to be
Ralph Lauren.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
You.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Black with black is going to be a level of
pride that.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
You just have in this country, because it's really hard
to come through it without it. Even for somebody who
may you know they have not experienced a bunch of
oppression or lack of opportunities, you're gonna notice it when
you somewhere and just sheer like lack of other people
you see that look like you in successful spaces. So

(45:15):
when he's going off like, oh, you know, nobody's saying nothing,
jay Z not saying nothing, jay Z not saying nothing,
It's like, Bro, he told you so now, and that's
his whole ploy. I'm mad because y'all letting this happen
to me. I can't see my kids. Yeah, you know
these white women, Bro, she wasn't a white woman when

(45:38):
you was dunting for her. We was telling you she
wasn't a sister then, and then what could happen to you,
so now you're upset.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
That's why people label him that.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
It's really remarkable for us like that, a family that's
most famous because it had one of the most high
profile litterg gators in the country as its former patriarch.
You thought, let me position myself to get into a
legal battle with these people.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Right right, I don't mess Christ.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Shout out to two thousand and five Kanye two thousand
shoutouts to no two thousand and five. Kanye won in
two thousand and ten. Kanye, but man was fully on.
Can't tell me nothing about facts. Yeah, shout out to
John H. Flinches, big ups and glasses. But back there
you said, if the attempt is still to change is
the truth, the situation makes no sense for for Pak

(46:36):
to attack Lane. But honestly, John is a little bit
more trickier than that. I actually think Pac was from
the mob. That's what I think now. Whether the change,
I wouldn't even put a lot of thought into if
if if Trey's chain got took that wasn't even the
most important part to me, because the one thing that

(46:57):
I am certain of is Pac was banging the mob,
and that's the one thing that hasn't been verified. But
that's the one thing that I'm certain of. So now
the rest of the world they're not as certain. They
cannot believe how could Pop come from being a panther
type character to being a blood so they don't want that.

(47:17):
So I can tell he was banging the mob. I
could tell how he was going. I can look at things,
I can listen to what he's saying, not just in raps,
and feel like, oh yeah, he pressing.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
A line.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
Like nobody in the history of the world.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
You said, who.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
A lot of shit, A lot of ship.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Like.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
So I get around and then just keep your head up, baby,
I know I knocked you up.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
When I'm out of here, man, A lot of ship.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Again, It's like, you know what I'm saying, like I can't.
Now if I give you my opinion of that, right,
then that's different. I'm not trying to convince y'all.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I'm not trying to convince nobody that Pac was banging
them out. That's not even the Really, the story wasn't
even John, wasn't about the story wasn't about change. The
story wasn't even about Tupaca. It was all about game
Mo reality. How we understand if y'all jump on somebody,
if you jump on somebody from somebody by themself, if

(48:26):
you treat them unfair, we understand morally, you're probably gonna
get some bullets. That was the That was the point
of Tupac Must Die. It was the the.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
It was more about the crypt side of it, not
to make it from the colors or game side.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
It was more or less the the l a street
are and cultural part of that, the morality being one
of the aspects of culture, the view.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
Of the shooter, not anything else.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Was really incidental because it doesn't matter the fact that
that went on today. That guy and he perceives it
that way, and he has to respond to it this
way in order to restore what is important to him
is the story.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
All the rest of the details are really neither.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Exactly, Pete. That's the point.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Yeah, It's it's almost like the street version of like
that scene that you're not supposed to talk about in
that movie that Edward James almost made that never was
really made when he got messed with and then stabbed
the dude, which never happened in the scene was never filmed,
and we never saw it at the Youth.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Camp shout out to dog Walk Rehab.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I think he felt like he had to be loyal
to Shugar for bailing him out. I don't think so,
dog Walk. I think Pak is really like a loyalist.
Like I think he didn't have to feel like it.
He was like, yeah, I'm riding with you.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
And I think he liked being a part of a brand.
I think he liked I think he liked.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
On with the ship.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Bro, why would you not want to death Row at
the time is the most powerful thing moving. It's the
most respected thing moving, and the most powerful thing moving.
They come get you out of jail. He had wrote letters,
Pocket wrote letters to different people. They was making calls
to different labels like just get us out. We'll give
you four albums for this. People were like, nah, this

(50:19):
motherfucker got a platinum album right then and there. They're like, yeah,
you on your own, my boy, like Nigga, he had
just made and this go twenty million dollars plus and
they just leaving him in jail, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Like I'm slick Rick. He chieved me, Like I'm slick Rick.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Think about something he just get Then here comes sug
who was probably at this point on the hip hop
side of the production, not the record label, not the
big label, but on the hip hop side, on the
production side, that's the puffs, the j princes, the drapers,
that he's the most powerful guy in the game.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
And he comes and get you out.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Man, I'm feel fucking nigga over for you. I don't
owe you nothing. I gave you the records, but now, nigga,
I know you fuck with me. That's what I feel
like I got from Pop I got. Oh you y'all
fuck with me like Trey embracing him, trade, bringing him around,
you know what I mean? Trayvon Lane bringing him around
and fucking with Heim, showing him the homies, They showing
him love, and man, this shit is like that. How

(51:26):
y'all think, Wayne, God damn people, this shit really will
embrace you and you will get a family that you
never had, a group of men that you never had
to show you love. You never had nothing like this before.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Well real quick, tray Von Lane, he said, yeah, yep,
so Lane was the name of two of the three
pivotal characters involved in this.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Yes, that's fucking impossible, man, that's crazy.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
It's crazy. What a coincidence. That's crazy. It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Yeah. Now, so so.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
You feel like that's the first time he because he
from He's from Oakland, right, you say from Oakland, So
he ain't get that type of love in Oakland. Sign
he came to caliar.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Somber remember remember his staff friend.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Well, he didn't live He lived in this smaller town right,
this place where we went to high school at. Right,
he lived in one of the offshoe cities of the baby.
When he kind of started to get with digital underground,
he moved to Oakland. But he's still a baby. You know,
he's still eighteen nineteen years old, you know, not in
gang years. Shout out to cousin Druggy. Right, Marin City,
that's what it's called. He lived in Marin City.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
So it's like, so remember one of the main problems
people said he ended up.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Now, I don't know if it's true, and I probably
shouldn't say, but I'm gonna say it. Anyway, he got
into it with some cats in the Bay Area and
they came to some picnic trying to hurt him some
part trying to.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Hurt him with people. That's part of the They said
he came down.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
To La too what I'm saying. So it's like he
didn't really get him. Remember he's in New York. All
of the guys he ran with in New York, he
kind of it feels like he kind of blames them
for what happens, even though they were all the guys saying,
don't deal with these people.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Don't play with these people. They were telling him like, hey.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Don't you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Like even when I talked Jack talked to Haitian Jack
and I asked him.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I talked to Jimmy like I'm not the average rapper,
Like I'll ask people what I want to know. Man,
it's Seventh Street, criypt. Nigga'm gonna ask you because Nigga,
I can't. So I remember Jack telling me like, gee,
he just didn't understand certain things in the street. And
he looked at me like it's my fault. It's like, Nigga,
we told you. This bitch as a whole. Same situation
as Kanye. You know, he got with a girl and

(53:48):
the girl was a little out there. He kind of
fell in love and it went too far. He realized
she was a whole and now he's embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
He had that pride.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
They created that shame and here we are in this
whole other delimma, right, and then he blames them, even
the shit with him and Jimmy Hensman with Jimmy gave
him money, you know what I mean, And he didn't
want to get Jimmy back his money because he was
mad at Jack because he caught the case over this
girl that they told him was not the cond you
settled down with, you know what I'm saying, And they
told him that, and you know, he didn't get Jimmy.

(54:17):
He blamed Jimmy because he met Jimmy through Jack, if
I understand correct. So again it's like, you know, he
blamed so he again, think about all of what he
could perceive as betrayal, Yeah, think about what he can
perceive as betrayal. He could feel like, you know, and
then people try to say Stretch has something to do,

(54:39):
even though everybody that's in the street set, that's just
not true, right because it really wouldn't make sense. Even
Jimmy said he didn't try to get him hurt. He
just was like me, give me my money back if
I'm gonna take this Jersey i'ma get something. So again,
It's like, you know, Park.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Was in a really.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Unique situation because while he was mad, he understood that
a lot of it was by his own doing. But
then he decided, and this is Puff. If there's one
thing I could blame Puff for?

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Yeah, Puff, did.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Anybody in the way? I could blame Puff for it?
Because nobody's above responsibility. Big got the new the video
shoot fucked up Puff specifically right, Puff realized when he
got shot that this was the perfect time to drop
who shot you? Mm hmmm, perfect time to drop.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
What was what was the time of What was the
time of that bad I gotta looked that up.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I want to see what the time that was. I
was looking at him when I was studying it. It
was right there and I know, no, no, no, uh
shout out to DT. Park not here to defend himself
with all the respect. You don't worry about pot DT.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I'm your homeboy.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
One thing I'm not gonna do is let my homeboys
start talking about some nigga. You don't know whatever I
got to say about, because you don't got nothing to
say about it. Nig You my homeboy, nigga. You know
me in real life nigga, but by no rapper, they
don't never do that. I don't want my homeboys to ever.
Don't get you. I'm not disrespecting the nigga and I
could have this conversation. That's the point of the No
Center's platform in general. I'm not disrespecting and it's not

(56:15):
I'm not attacking him. I'm telling you based off of
simple business things, these were his moves. No, I'm not speculating,
lex I'm not. Some of this ship is a fact
that Jack told me till my face. That's not the speculation.
Jimmy Hisssman told me. I'm not speculating. I'm not telling

(56:35):
you my opinion. I'm telling you what niggas old me.
Now what they did is different. I'm telling you what
niggas told me again. So now here's that speculation. The
speculation is Puff saw that.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Opportunity as a time to launch this biggie song. It works.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Pop felt some kind of way about them using right
that as a this Niggas song, and he decided he
was going to use everything to market Ish. That's my speculation.
This is what we're doing. Oh, this is what we do.

(57:19):
I got shot and y'all go market it. Okay, all
bets is off. This is what we're doing. We're marketing
with trauma. I'm gonna show you how to do it.
That's my speculation. He didn't never say that, but I
believe genuinely that's what he did. He said, y'all gonna
use me getting shot to market y'all song. Let me

(57:40):
show you how to really do this. I'm gonna make
people feel like Because he's never in life said they
had none to do with him getting shot, He's actually
said the exact opposite. May y'all think I would be
rapping if I thought then people had me shot. M
He has made it clear that they had nothing to
do with him getting shot. He's made it clear out

(58:02):
of his mouth right, nothing to do with to get shot.
But he made people feel like it whatever energy put
out and then niggas really felt like puffing big assing
to do it him getting shot, and he used that
ship and prepared himself into the into the top spot
in all of hip hop. It was brilliant, one of

(58:24):
the greatest marketing moves I've ever seen.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
He put the reverse card on the luggage, put the
reverse half you have that you have me hand.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
You know, hurt I was nice.

Speaker 7 (58:41):
It's one of the nice that was that was that
he was, that was coming from sitting up in that clip,
sitting up in that jail. He said, what the fun?
He said, he his head back and all that ship
big niggas. I got these niggas. Wat's what we're gonna do?
So he talked about getting shot everything. It was crazy after.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
That reverse what.

Speaker 7 (59:04):
M sacking on him too, that's crazy. The ba the
back jump on the back jump, marketing, the marketing of
it's crazy. And he like seeing like he's seeing, he's

(59:25):
seen ahead of like you've seen so far.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
At the time, I'm gonna dud I remember that he had,
and he was like, yeah, you know, we'll probably get
together and make some records. You just talked about fucking
this Nigga White m talking about his kids.

Speaker 7 (59:39):
Nigga what he's talking about here, talking about Sugar, talking
about Sugar giving him that damn money giving him out.
Sugar parably came there and visited them be and Nigga
probably told Sugars whole the whole plan. Oh god, this
is what it is right here, this is what it is.
I got this, this is the whole layout.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
This is the last.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
So said, what this is money?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
He said, what what here?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
That Nigga hand writ his contract, Nigga niggas by hand. Niggah,
you're with this perfect emotion.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
This is it? Be going with. I'm with it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
All I need is a feature feature drake the rest
of his ship. I got it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
I got it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:22):
We're gonna run the whole play on these niggas. Be
this that this is over. It's we're going with pegging
buff right there. Yeah, this is a fucking marketing. The
video here, the videos, the video he did niggas and
the ship he pulled that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
He had all that ship visualized already.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
He knew it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
That was the meanest twelve months in history. Crazy, Like,
that's that of shit I'm talking about with dot. That
was another twelve months that we need to talk about.
That twelve months from him dropping Nigga is the world
being in jail, having the number one album in jail
to fucking dying like that twelve month is Saturay crazy.

(01:01:03):
That's a mean twelve You come up like, oh, y'all,
niggas playing with my name, y'all see I got shot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Y'all think that shit funny.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
You know what I think about you know, I think
my thinking about the ship though. Look how young nigga
was doing that ship though too, man, Yeah, twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Years old, forty five, and it just came to me
this nigga was only ship at twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
Four, twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
He was crazy niggas playing with me. Nigga nigga.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Crazy man, that was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, yeah, he said. Consequences from Puff's marketing cloud cheese.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Because y'all gotta remember, like like Hit Him Up was
already done before.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I think Hit Him Up was supposed to be on
all lines on m back.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
When it was called came fall Houns with me right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It came out four or five months after came out
on a Mexico. I said.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
The only thing for me that's close to Dods run, Right,
that's one of the greatest runs that September to that
September DMX's run, fifties running oh three, I'd say, fifty run, Wayne's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Run and O eight.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Snoops Run from Snoops run from ninety from ninety three
of January, you know, or excuse me December ninety three
to excuse me December ninety two when the crownic came
out to December ninety three, after do you stuff came out,
that's one of them runs too, and I still got
dout twelve month run over.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
I got two for you.

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
I got, I got the I like big run from
the time and the one more chance she went up
until all through.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
I'm saying jay Z jay Z may have one too.
I might give it to himny.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Eight Rex was cleaning the floor.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
I said, Snoopy is charged the way Pocus is shooting
like it was acid thing at the moment at the
v M as when he came out and did murder
was the case.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
When all.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Yeah, and they weren't outside on a bullshit charge.

Speaker 7 (01:03:40):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Holy ship even right now, I get like that was
like Neirvanda couldn't funk with this big looking crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
I was like, look at this crazy out of the
wheelchair and some ship and.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
Stood up.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
That Snoop ship. That Snoop was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Now that little from the chronic from when g thank
video happened.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah, how the fucking would he? Pop? Boy? You couldn't
go nowhere, j J.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I wouldn't consider it because ninety eight is DMX year.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Clearly, even though I think Jay was successful that year
and he crossed over, DMX was like, you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Couldn't even because then you couldn't avoid that song.

Speaker 7 (01:04:30):
He just topped hold because he did. He did the
two albums in one year, so he tapped hold with that, right.

Speaker 6 (01:04:35):
It wasn't just it it was on one album, blood
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
He can't put the two albums out. Blood of My
Blood and all this hot.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Blood about blood only sold because the first.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
One, Yeah, that's it though, that was it, but that
it was showing on that show.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
It was gargangean.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
It was on the top probably ten biggest single songs
and hip hop history, and fifty.

Speaker 7 (01:04:57):
Years off that big I was like, yeah, remember what
was the other show?

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
I know those moments, bro DMX, the first time niggas
saw him and Rough Righters Anthem, you knew.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
It was over.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Jay was Jay was more of a gradual climb of
great business and great move That was never a quiet
moment where I was like he galvanin his No, it was.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
It was the hard not life toll. It was the
hard not life to that was marketing. It could have
really been hit it was it was the second. It
was the second the album that that that put them
over the time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
That was just marketing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
That was the third no, because everybody felt like they
thought somebody else ind headlined that tour was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
That's not it's not. But that's the same, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
The Blood of My Blood is like the Massacre about fifty, you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Know, but it came out in the same year. It
was just it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Was just it's not just the music success, it's what
the what the character does to the world. Jay is
like success at his smoothest. He's just success at his smoothest.
He's always been smooth about success, like and like I
always loved him from the first day. But it was
never like polarizing. D MX was like polarizing, like I'll

(01:06:22):
never forget the first that nigga that had no socks on,
no TEMs on, and overall show was never polarizing.

Speaker 7 (01:06:30):
Who never never threw out a whole careerizing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
Did know what he did? You know what he did.

Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
When he was in the NASCAR ship with Shorty the
commercial that was polarizing right there, that's when he was
looking like a rich billionaire.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
But it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
It was still his brand. J. J. James always represented success. Yeah,
as I'm saying it still is. It's always been.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
Smooth that that drivel in that nas.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
Cling Pam Anderson in the video.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
That's what I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
This is what look he had and that's like left
left he had he had the chick for nance car
driving the car he had Beyonce. That was the most
polarizing Beyonce, the Beyonce real life bro.

Speaker 10 (01:07:31):
That wasn't art that was polarizing means I'm telling you
it's can see it's concene with what's SNA with Shorty?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
What song was it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Show me what you got? Video wasn't No, it wasn't polarity.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
That was polarizing, Right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
There was a commercial commercial?

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
What was the other pole? What? What was the negative
pole about it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
What gave it power? But why is a commercial B
that's all right?

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Compelling and polarized?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Or super Bowl name be able to super Bowl commercial? B?

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
All right? What you mean? Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Jain't never you're gonna tell me that you had knock
like video was. But I don't I want to go.
I want to like maybe you're using the word using
what is definition.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
I miss read, I misread Otis. I'm sorry, Otis Otis.
I offer you my personal apology. I read it quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
And that's on me. Sorry, I fucked that up. We
loved I'm a diehard j Fann. That just ain't his thing.
He wasn't a polarizing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Type of act.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Like his polarity barely came the other day. Jane Is
always moved in this kind of real smooth like you
knew he was successful. And niggas liked the nigga d
m X nigga was growling nigga dm X came and
niggas was like, I remember looking like, what the fuck
is going on? Why do this nigga have no socks

(01:09:15):
on with them tms and he had a.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
Bunch of people riding downstairs and quad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
All in the middle of the street. Polarized street for them. Really.
When dm X came street then back.

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
There was going on playing basketball and ship.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Yeah it was street though, and I seen dm X,
I was like them niggas the street back there, them
niggas blocking the roll behind, they don't care about traffic,
was like, what is that with the New York niggas? Yeah,
so they really made me look at them like street
when I seen dm next.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
What to me, jay Z is all about sales. He's
not necessarily about here.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Here's rising and controversial are very closely tied.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
I don't see him being in controversy creating guy. That's
just me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
It's not And some people like DMX was naturally that.
Remember we we had this conversation, remember New.

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
York Williams made DMX barking.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
That Nigga was crazy, that Nigga was like some ship.
I never that Nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
I was like holy ship, that Nigga had no fear,
no nothing. Why is this Nigga up here with no
bucket socks on? In the TM bro. He wasn't even
worried about bunnies.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
You're number one all you took the number one thing.
You see?

Speaker 7 (01:10:45):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
This is where kropt this glasses and blows the most
hood rapper in the history of the genre because he
watched all the d MX ship and the first thing
that came to his mind is where is his socks?
I could have watched that ship for forty hours and
not know it's his fucking song.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I was like, you know how cold you got to
be to where tins with no socks, you worry about
some of the socks.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
He don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
He don't get it trapped. We'll get it trapped more
than you. Some tims put them on with no socks.
Walking around, you'll.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
See Tim's got the level and the inside. You know
what I'm saying, leve the inside of the boot.

Speaker 9 (01:11:27):
You don't understand the used to having bloody feet. I
watch all that imagery that New York Listen, That's the
one thing I remember he didn't have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
He had a He had an overall short set off
with no shirt and timmeling with no socks. I was like, Oh,
this nigga, the roughest nigga in the history. This nigga
crazy and he growling and ship, what the you won't
do when we run up like this?

Speaker 7 (01:12:00):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Why he wearing a change? This nigga was wearing a change.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
He was wearing actual change made of like compressed Allum's aluminum.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I'm gonna have to show me easily, let me find out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
It's some mo niggas. That's funny with your niggas? What
that we can't handle looking up a dismantle?

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
What is wrong with this nigga?

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Why is he.

Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
What is that is hip hop? That is that ship?

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
I think, look at this, but then everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Behind him, you know why, Yeah, behind And it's so
funny because New York Puff Puff had New York going
shiny suit. Mind you, this is Mace coming this year,
Mason so Puff had it, jay Z had just dropped
Volume one. It was Hella Smooth, Teddy Riley Production shout

(01:13:08):
out to Ted and Hella Smooth like they.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Was trying to go shiny and proficient.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
This nigga come out with no under his overall short
set and no socks and some teams like nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 6 (01:13:27):
And right after that a bunch of like drug use accusations.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Ye, why is this nigga wearing a bulletproof vest? What
I mean you mean to tell me he got shot
nine times? And he rapping about the nigga that got
him shot onto Oh this nigga crazy? Oh this I
remember thinking that that's marketing. I remember Dying fifty cent
album the first day came out, that move I had
a bullet hole in the glass on a cover.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
That's marketing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
That's what I'm saying. Like Tupac comes home after getting shot.
He's in jail, he gets out of jail, he cussing
everybody out talking crap. That is different, Snoop catch a
murder case. The WEEKES album comes out, that's great, higgas

(01:14:15):
for it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Outside.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
That's niggas can't imagine that the Weekes album came out,
he kept a oh with the album would have sold
an album called murder was the case?

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Question was somebody was Was there some quid pro quote
backdoor action going on and saying, hey, look, I know
you got this sevenus. I know you're gonna bring this charge.
Can you at least bring it on a Wednesday?

Speaker 6 (01:14:43):
The third dollar time frame?

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
There? This is what I'm trying to tell trap.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
I can see my confidence comes when I see Oh,
I get it. I'm in the space with them. Nigga,
I know what this oh ship go, all the way
that nigga pop went, all the way pop went, all
the week that niggas like, no, don't care, nigga, y'all

(01:15:14):
nigga cussing you niggas out you niggas play with me
getting shot?

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Nigga, I'm finished, Yeah, nigga, Now who laughing? Why fucked? Yr?
What the fuck, why are you so upset?

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Niggas like man and then you could see niggas it
was niggas at the lunch table. Shout out to the
homies at the lunch table because they like, you know,
he big was in this bill when it's like nigga
that didn't have nothing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
With That's how.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
You know what I'm thinking about now, marketing gets lost
in reality. The two most wild like the two wildest
mouths in the history of Barry and hip hop both
got shot.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
Parking back Drake.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
Yeah, both those guys, I mean said whatever the living
fuck to the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Max m.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
You can't some of the shit you have to help
line it up, but some of the ship you can't. Right,
You just got to stick around long enough for that
to happen, like with Kendrick, Like you have to stick
around long enough for this shit to happen, like two points,
stick around long enough for this shit to happen, like Snoop,
you had to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
This nigga caught a murder case. That Wee Kids album
came out. It was on the.

Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
New that's the That's the best marketing promotion promotion you
could get me. You don't get better than that, right,
that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:16:45):
Did that security garden the cheap Cherokee?

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
You get a bonus out of that, man, I mean
he must have got paid the hundred thousand a year
and made five team.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
The only thing that's post of that is fifty for real.
That's the next.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
I compare dots to it because of how you get there,
how you become the conversation of the universe is different.
It's always unique. How you you know it's that's the thing.
Can you become the conversation of the universe right right?
And how you do it is different? Snoops came from
when he caught that. Michael Jackson became the conversation when

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his hair caught on fire. Conversation like, oh that music
the Michael Jackson got it, the guy from the kids
group he has now but more go get that. He
was selling a million a week his hair caught on fire.
He did two or three million until Thriller came out.
Thriller comes out, the video he does somewhere between five
and six. Just off that a loan and it's cool

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and his hair catches on fire. Now he's on the
news every week everywhere. Motherfucker starts selling a million a week.
Snoop did great, remberk Of came out. The chronic wasn't
this huge album at first? The first week the song
the album grew because the songs work right. Thing Dred,
let Me Ride, Ghetto Boy, those songs work well right,

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and then it got big. Snoop was already anticipated, and
then the nigga called a murder case mm hm week
of his album fifty cent the way they did fifty
cent ship fifty got shot nine times, you would have
thought it happened two days before the album came out.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
What that's all you heard about?

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
That's all I was like, Man, the nigga that dist put.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
A bullet hole put a bullet hole on his album cover, Kevin,
He's wearing a bulletproof vets. God, hell yea ain't so.
The fucking shipload the records the first.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
Use that to make you the whole brand and stuff
and this.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
Whole brand, yeah, whole band. That was crazy and that
never before.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
That's why I was looking at like numbers of like
the massacre, because I fleshed on my flesh by DMX
that was just riding the wave and the cotails of
the first album in the movie and the massacres.

Speaker 6 (01:18:59):
The same with fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
It was not really anything that's spectacular on it, and
it was all right, but it wasn't like the first
one to sell a million eight the first week.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
That's insane. That's just purely momentum.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Shout out to no cuz. Remember so when everybody bought it, right,
you hear murder was the case on the album.

Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
Sure, and it was the main song. I mean, it's
the hook of the main song. And the name of
the album was all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
No, that was the second album.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
That was the second one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
That actually on the original album the week. So imagine
you see catch this murder case and then you pop
an album and you see this song called murder was
a case, and you listen, you like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
Wait? Huh?

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Real quick, Clifford, he got the VMA's there was that
much lag time.

Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
Dog That was the Doggy Style release.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
So remember the VVA ninety four, So so Snoop sit
is like the chronic in ninety two of December, Doggy Style.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
In November of ninety three, murder was the case.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
I think it's in August of ninety four, dog Pound
is in Halloween. Excuse me of ninety five, and then
dog Father is in November of Yeah, November.

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
When you say this, he got the charge the week.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
The album came out, Doggystown.

Speaker 6 (01:20:29):
That was Doggie sound Yes, jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
So remember he made Murder was a case, an album
that was a soundtrack.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
They went and made a movie after this nigga called
a murder case called Murder was the case.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Them niggas is crazy. Think about it. Think about what
you do.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
You get what I'm saying. I told you all a
couple like a month ago.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
I said, you have to almost be delusional because you're
gonna have to do ship that don't make sense, but
it got to be your way. The nigga catches a
murder case, they decide to start pushing the song murder
was the case on the album. They ain't make a
fucking movie about Murder was the case. He's fighting a
murder case.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
All right, crazy, Yeah, I meant do that, and he
got crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
You can this thing up in the police, and I'm
sure I'm going to pushing all the police precincts. Yeah,
I'd be fucking stupid. But that's why it's gotta be
that deep. It gotta be bro not just the movie

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and the soundtrack to the album is insane. Nigga, he's
actually fighting a murder.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
Charge during the same time.

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
I can't believe he get held a contempt.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
He's fighting a murder charge.

Speaker 6 (01:21:53):
I mean they put a look, they put a what
do you call it? A gag order on Trump. This
guy did it the album.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Yeah, the motherfucking movie.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
I can't believe that they didn't get helld of contempt.
Too fucking funny, too fucking fun.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
That is crazy, yeah, Johnny, Yeah, Johnny, right, yeah, Johnny.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
The more gear facts.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Now they were tied out again, all these pussy ass
fans and be that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
He told himhimself the album he sold his shold him.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
Yeah, he said he did it. He took him out
the lyricly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
So bragging about it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
It was he laundered the whole thing through the business
is to Rico, everybody was. They only killed the guy
so that they can.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
Increase the sales. Everybody's guilty.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Guilty.

Speaker 6 (01:22:50):
They produced the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Song would be crazy, the whole ship out.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
They figured the whole out of you too, so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
That they murdered this person so they could use this
as a marketing. They had it to be ready for
the and then they paid somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
Chillader as guilty as accessory.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Yeah, they have old videos, a little part of the footage.
They be like, see listen all yeah, and you already
know him. He sacrificed Pop. He sa sacrifice Pop.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
That's what he did. You know he said up because
they got into it in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Because when he said he wasn't beefing with anybody and
they came back on the airplane, nobody's fucking with him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
He knew not to go to Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
That's what niggas because he would have been in that
seat and not him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
He sacrificed pot to get where he's at. Niggas is
laying bro the greatest strategy.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
Ever had set up or whatever for business purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
That it is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
I'm like, you had a guy who's half your size
sitting in front of you and the shooting thousand set.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
Up shott, I never heard it. Just make sure you
don't shoot this crazy man, Nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Shout out to all of the legendary hip hop acts. Man,
y'all survived some ship. If you still here, dog, I
cannot believe.

Speaker 6 (01:24:15):
None of those bullets went through and hit that man.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
That's what I'm saying. To be in prison right now
talking about niggas on the phone. Nigga, you ain't change
your life.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
You got works same thing. God him there made one
hundred million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Man, but now you got fuck are you? Nigga?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
That was like, so here's the oh man, here's a
death ro marketing meeting. He caught that murder case. We
got we got the best attorney. Yo, we need to
really lean on this.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
You got the best attorney and the best.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
We need to We gotta next single next week. You know,
we gotta have that single next week. Now, Push push
what's name back? Push?

Speaker 7 (01:25:06):
Murder murder was we're gonna shoot the movements. This nigga
fighting a real murder.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
Mm hmmm, it's over. That's crazy, said.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Sugar is a giant target.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
They were shot shooting on it bush ship.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Bush ship mark bush ship shooters only to get popped
bush ship mark, bulls ship hell no, hell no ship mark. Hey, bro,

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you gotta go with the flow because it's going crazy.
Like who the fuck was shop? And then when they
told if I'm snoop, they told me like, so, look,
we gonna make a movie called murder.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Was the CA.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
What nigga, what this is a snoop. Bodyguard shot that
guy for self defense? Self defense for what.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Issue? He made everybody so damn much money.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
The only defense was, you know, suffering financial losses in
the down economy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
True.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
And at this point, I gotta fucking be delusional.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Because this is what you do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
You're like, oh, yeah, nah that the post office ain't
another I'm putting them in the police office.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
I gotta i gotta tap in with somebody from the
FED so I can.

Speaker 7 (01:26:44):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
How did that even?

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
I know you be on a different level when you
finally get marketing because they be like, nigga, the idea
or nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:26:55):
Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. It's just that
just now, yeah, just now with the Dirt album, with
the Dirk album.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
But they but see they couldn't time me. Imagine it
came out the week of now they're trying.

Speaker 7 (01:27:12):
To know they was they was playing on coming out.
But it's like right around the time he first got
when you first got lot. They pushed it back, they
pushed it back. It's a different kind of commitment. Yeah,
it's a different kind of it's a different kind of commitment. Dog,
It's a different kind of commitment.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
He had to make a movie called murder was a case, Well,
you make an album called murder was a case while
fighting a murder case that your commitment to.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
All that was released, all that was released before the trial.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Yeah, the trial. I know that the I know the song.

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
I know the song was, But what about the the
movie in less than the other album?

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
M That's what I was a while the crowd was SNOOPD.
That's like you.

Speaker 6 (01:28:11):
Who you gotta make a song now called ka Rico?

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Man, all that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
We're doing some bullsh it now, man, double down, just
keep that. Niggas nigga called a murder case like, you
know what, Hey, we got that song, We need to
make that movie.

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
Push that up. Every when it came up, never happened.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Why was that song? Why you don't even have nothing
to market it? That was the market.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
That's how I feel about pot pop saw again. This
is a belief the other ship. I'm telling y'alls what
them niggas told me. This is a belief. I saw
them niggas used when he got shot to murder to
market murder was.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
A case who shot you because they had.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
That you can hear that song to do a pot
But they was like perfect moment, it was gone all
the other ship, probably talking about the ship.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
He just had time to think about after being mad.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
You know how you get mad, king and then you
start thinking about everything somebody did to you, but it'd
be that one thing that made you mad initially, but
then you be like, man, everything That's what I think happened.
Like he wasn't even tripping off them, and then he
saw that song come out. He was like niggas probably
came him like, man, you heard that big song? Murder
was a k I mean, who shot you? I was like,

(01:29:34):
what he listening?

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Now?

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
He know?

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Damn well, I ain't had nothing to do with him
getting shot. He knew exactly what he got shot about,
even if nobody else knew.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
He knew.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
So it's Puck like a natural worker or something or
is it I think he was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
I think he always was natural with it. He knew you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
Before pack was.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
I would say, like the district like like Pocket Snoop
Snoop was a brand and without a plan, and he
was a plan without a brand.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
And then he got a brand.

Speaker 7 (01:30:05):
He was Oh at first, wasn't worth it because because
the political hip hop Ship.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Because he could make records, right, he could make good records.
He who had a poking how to make records early
on right, he knew it. He knew it, he figured
it out. But his Snoop was a brand. Snoop barely
got a plan.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Now, Like he's like, I get to do.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
Someone calls him and says, hey, we'll give you ten
million to be on the corona commercially. He goes okay,
and then he's and then he goes first shizzle and
it's like they give him ten million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Me and head asked that nigga right to lat We
was up there like a month and a half a
go fuck because right, so he was like, man, what
made you say cousin like me? And they asked for
and I was like, I knew it. He laughed, and Ship,
I told you trapped. They're like, oh, we're being EDGI
now the court racist edge and they're gonna be mad.

(01:31:01):
He said, cuz they niggas trying to go viral. Bro,
I'm telling you, Pop saw them niggas use who shot you?
He was like, bitch as you motherfucker? Ain't he up
there Byself album in Jail, got you niggas?

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
You know what else?

Speaker 7 (01:31:17):
It was too fucking They just dropped who shot you too?
It wasn't on the album, so it wasn't in the
push the album Lucy that was it was a Lucy
was holding like he was a Lucy.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
He said, Yo, put it out is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Cause it is very much like that, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
I swear to God, like, as I'm preparing the market
for this project, it's almost like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
It's taking no prisoners.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
It's take no prisoners, bro, he was like, oh you motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Mm hmm, Hey, what's.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
The backstory on the the issue where the dude got
shot in the snoop thing?

Speaker 7 (01:32:04):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:32:05):
Because I thought it was in Pasadena?

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:32:06):
Was it like a PDL.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Bunch of some ship like that?

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Why was? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
I don't know enough about it, you know what I mean?
But I don't know. I had to look into it.
I don't really know. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:32:23):
That's that's that's an undertold story that needs telling.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Remember fifty was gonna do it. He was gonna do
a thing about that him fight that murder case. And
then they backed up. But I shouldn't that's because it's
supposed to be me doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
I don't even want to do the murder case. I
want to do like what was the name of that guy?

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Whoever?

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
The guy that I remember the guy's name, the recipe
of that brother. I forgot his name, but I remember
seeing his name.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
Yes, and someone Must Die is a sequel story that
needs to be told. Like I don't mean to be
as crass about the titles because.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
I don't know his name.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
But you know, the hard the hardest part about doing
those things is when it's two street people, then you
don't really give the public a chance to stay in
mm hmm, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:33:04):
Greer is a fucking machine.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Philip Watermerion, I remember that now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
No, but see like that stuff like with with with
the Hommy, with innage and ship that should be like
real street ship. Like the general public don't have a like.
One thing I've realized as a storyteller, bro is, you
got to give the public a viewpoint inside.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
You can't put them weirdly.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Like I was arguing with Manny about this and I
was explaining to him Boys in the Hood is a.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Better story than Godfather.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
The Godfather is a better movie than Boys in the Hood,
But the story is better Boys in the Hood, right,
I'm like, a lot of The Godfather is cinematography, you
know what I mean, callous a lot of things, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Even ever, that was that was.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Because Mario Puzo had the number one selling book in
like the World.

Speaker 6 (01:34:11):
And that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Again I'm not even disagreeing, but I think that's because
white people like white violence and they think it's ten
times more interesting as much.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
More interesting waiting with white mafia. That's it. That wasn't
a great story. What was What was the best part
of the story?

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
What was what was the in the totalian story? Is
you have a dude that's like transcended from like one
country to another, from like a gutter to being a
multi millionaire.

Speaker 6 (01:34:43):
To having multi regional polls and multi regional markets.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
It's a much more compelling story than something that happens
in a three block radius.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
Yeah, that's crazy. In the football game, football player and haircut,
white crime.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Crime is more appearance. That's ridiculous. Let me have the
story is not that's yeah amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:11):
I'm like, he's talking about Godfather three.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
I don't know who's that Godfather.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Three Godfather two is a better story because the story
is about Veto more than Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
I agree that this story is just not really good.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
The movie is good, it's shot incredibly well, it's dialogue well,
the acting is well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
The story itself sucks fucking ball.

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
Like he's said, it had to be a great story
to get a movie movie.

Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
Discuss this. It's funny. I just I wrote a note about.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
This thing and an idea I have for your first
movie that is very similar in this regard that you're
going to enjoy.

Speaker 6 (01:35:55):
But I can't unveil it live.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
Okay, I'm in it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:58):
Look, this is gonna be awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Shout out to Cap is right. The first Godfather, No,
Godfather Too. Yes, the Godfather Too is a much better story.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Gods good of a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
As Godfather one, but it's a much better story the
Godfather one. It's really about It's like Belly for white people.
It's all cinematography, it's all really great actors, destroy yourself sucked.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
Story is great character developments, Godfather Too.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Godfather is a much better story, but nowhere near the movie.
The movie, Like the movie is about you seeing.

Speaker 7 (01:36:46):
It stick, you know, listen, man stick with boys in
the hood minutes society juice that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
I didn't say society. I didn't say that, you gotta
stick with stuff in the hood at minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Is the same. I hate when you typecast.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
What is a fatherhood movie?

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
What is a story about boys that don't have a
father and a boy it's.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
About Yeah, it was the same. It was the same movie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
It's not the same movie it is. You're just racist.

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
It's the same culture. It's the same culture. It's street
and culture representation.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Which wanna be the most raising Hood is pretty much
how you go the most realistic one that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:33):
One and uh go south Central.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
South Central is probably a little bit cooler of a story,
but it's not a better movie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
I'm talking about more realistic to what's hood.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Boys in Hood is really certain homies like god Dads
and certain homies that don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
That's pretty much how it okay, nothing like Colors and
all that stuff. Colors is a police movie. I don't
know enough about police.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
That's what you got.

Speaker 7 (01:37:59):
That's what you're to put that against. Put that against that,
put boys and hood against colors, something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Niggas down, Keep the niggas down, with the niggas don't
put them up with the white folks to lunch hour.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
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Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Love to the least thing that Oldest said that I
misread with like I had a dyslexia, just shut down.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
And I still just just popped off.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
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Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
What do you fucking care.

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
Talking to you, Stell, We pulled up.

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No one's ever made it out of a car dealership
in less than three hours. It's impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Still not even look yet because you don't even pop in.

Speaker 6 (01:40:18):
We're trying to get you on the shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
All right, let's forget.

Speaker 5 (01:40:25):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
We out here.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
And looking out for tuning into the Note Sellers podcast.
Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, comment, and ship.
This episode was recorded right here on the West coast
of the USA. It produced about the Black Effect podcast
network and not Hard Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Yeah,

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