April 22, 2025 • 64 mins
Glasses Malone, joined by Rose Gold Pete and King explore the challenges of economic transition, from a production-based to a service- and information-driven economy, and how globalization has reshaped American jobs and communities. They discuss the impact of outsourcing, the role of unions, and the controversial use of prison labor in the context of rehabilitation and economic disparity. Emphasizing the intricacies of a post-capitalist system, the dialogue highlights the need for human connection, shared responsibility, and a more equitable approach to wealth creation and opportunity in modern society.Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.
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Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sinners Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your
load glasses Malone. Everybody been asking me on the lunch
hour and where's Pete? And I really haven't told anybody,
you know what I mean. Why I'm like, oh, he
(01:07):
just taking a little sabbatical, you know what I'm saying,
Like he'll be back, you know what I mean? Yeah,
but you can tell people because this ain't for the
lunch hour, this is for the regular podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
This is for just audience.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, I have to get back into like full time
like trading trading and shit, because like I functioned in
huge ebbs and flows the last couple of years, so
I've made like I've tripled my money in a quarter
and then like halved my money in a quarter like subsequently,
So like during stretches when I like pour a bunch
(01:44):
of money into some shit and don't have any money
until it cycles back up again, I have to drive Uber.
But I got kicked off the fucking platform permanently. So
I joined this options trading group that goes in the mornings.
But I'm new to it and I'm not throwing ten
K and these option moves out of the rip like
that shit's I mean, I got clobbered the first week.
(02:06):
So I was like, yeah, if I'm to do this
full time, I can't try to get in and out
in the mornings with the group. So I'm like on
the market all day long, trying to make more moves
at smaller volumes while I learned. And I've been learning,
so it's getting better. But yeah, the lunch table that
(02:27):
happens during trading hours, so I'm unavailable.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, and they got to just hold up till we
figure it out. So what happened was because that was
your numb will just mess up pay your bills time.
I really tell what happened.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So this is what made it even more weird. I
literally would just go to the gym, which is by
the airport in Miami Airport, sit there till someone was
going up to for Lauderdale and then once then go
to for a Lotder airport and wait till someone was
coming back to Miami and go home. That was all
I would do. I wasn't out all damn day and
all night long pick people. I just went from one
airport to the other and back. After the gym. That
(03:03):
was it don't enough enough, I don't. I got told
that I had complaints. Bear in mind, the city of
Miami is a third world cluster fuck shit show, and
that's more true on the roads than anywhere else. That's
(03:24):
where it all comes. Everything comes to Jesus on the roads.
These people don't know how to drive. They crash like
nothing I've ever personally seen. I've driven half a million
miles in Los Angeles County. I've never seen anything like this.
They banned me for I got apparently that I got
two complaints about unsafe driving practices. I must have used
(03:45):
my turn signal and it scared them strange as shit.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And so then what did Uber do?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
They just sent me a message that you go, You're done,
no appeal process.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
That's nothing I set.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
In the peel and it's been over a week. Then
they don't know what They're not going to turn that.
I only did this to see what would happen.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
They're not gonna turn that shit. So we need an
inside plug at Uber. So shout out to everybody who
missions to No Sings podcast or the lunch tables. We
need to plug inside Uber to get Pete's account overturn.
Because how many stars did you have as a driver
out of five?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like four point nine and then and then I got
lowered to four point like eight eight, So not real bad,
But I mean what I after after my spot burned
down in California, I drove ten hours a day, seven
days a week for three or four years in a row.
Like I didn't take a night off work for like
fourteen hundred days in a row. Like that's probably shortened
(04:48):
shorten it. It was probably more mh. But like, I mean,
you got me. I never I never had a complain
like that. And usually even if you speed the app
tracks you you get a messa say, it looks like
you've been speeding lately. I hadn't had one of else.
(05:09):
I mean, is I personally like I know what happened.
A couple people I got a little impatient with because
they couldn't find where I was because they they know
it all, which they don't. And they go upstairs after
they asked me to go downstairs and then tell me
(05:30):
that they're downstairs. So I'm like, you're not, you're upstairs,
and they get and they get all chippy, and then
I tell them, go look at the sign, what's to say?
Read it to me out loud, And they read to
me out loud and they go, oh, I guess I'm upstairs.
I go yeah, But by that time I'm pretty pissed,
so they probably complained in a drive like shit, that's
(05:52):
the only thing that could have.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Happened that or twice.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I only got I only saw one of them, but
they said it happened twice, but they only said they
can only document one, so it's whatever I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
You never drove for Lyft.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I got banned from Lift for life.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Awesome, pe got banned from Twitter, and.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I got banned from every every big Silicon Valley based,
multi billion dollar tax.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Every liberal platform possible.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Basically, I got banned from Lyft though for turning down
cheap rides at the airport. I didn't even do anything.
I was just sitting there looking at it. I'm like,
I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't
want that. And they're like, you're banned for life, and
I was like.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Huh, happened. So again, to everybody who listens to No
Sellers podcast or or come watch the Lunch Hour on
YouTube if you have a plug. Pete has great driving reviews.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
We need you to make sure I want to be back.
I didn't make more money last week than otherwise.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, but anyway, we need to make sure we get
this off of your thing. Anyway, the option should be.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Available, so if y'all it's nice to have a back
safety of that.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But yeah, so if the option was possible, y'all can help.
Please help reach out hit its own Instagram and you
can help out No Seilings Podcast. What's having gl I
got my brother Peter Boss, who hasn't been on the
Lunch Hour but he's back for the No Seilings podcast
because he does have time during the weekend and knock
(07:31):
out the weekly podcast. I got my brother King in
the house doing the laure's work. Then we off with
this thing.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Man, So I hope we should have put upload the
video here because we finally get a chance to really
see King. His camera's not so far away.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, I can adjust that too at the studio. But
then I kind of like the wide of it.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, no, it's cool. You've got multiple people at the table.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah. Yeah, So what you were saying gave me two thoughts,
and that's why I was asking, and thank you for
letting me share you know what's happening. But you sent
me a really dope article and a lot of those
same things. I was thinking, you know what I mean
(08:19):
in that article, and the article just talked about how
America kind of how the elite and the most successful
people in America realized they could even make more money,
you know what I mean, and they decided to sell
out the average American citizen for their own personal glory.
But one of the things I remember about it in
(08:41):
this conversation or in this article specifically, and I want
the address in this conversation was where they talked about
trading in production for service. Yes, like in the industry
for service. I read it to King too. That's the
crazy part. I read it to King.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Want to say, what, so that's the article you read
to me?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Was driving? Yeah, I've read it to King because I
just wanted to hear him and you could tell it
with somebody much more educated in it than I am, right,
because honestly, intellect will get you far. You can't overstep
the ability to think and process because you're lacking information.
(09:27):
But some of this stuff feels a little obvious, right,
And one of those things I thought about was, you know,
America was a much better place. It might have been
a little bit more racist, but it was a much
better place in the fifties and sixties, where the average
everyday American can go down to a factory, you know,
(09:48):
and start to sacrifice their dreams per se right to
buy a house, take care of their family, and put
their kids through school. And they convinced every anybody in
America that you were going to become a part of
marketing or like service. And that's what I thought about
when when you taught me everything that was happening with
(10:09):
you with uber, where I was like, damn, this is
exactly that type of thing where it's now just a
service thing.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, the economy shift happened on like I got hit
in the face with that when I was twenty four,
when the entire when like a generations model of like
how corporate sales worked shifted like on a dime in
two thousand and eight, and everybody went to like this
weird like ten ninety nine commission only sales jobs, or
(10:39):
you were either making two hundred grand or you were
getting like no money, or they were hiring it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
And that's what I was thinking about. I was thinking
about that specifically, like that's one of those things where
you know, like the concept of convenience is ruined the
quality of life. Like I watched Dave Chapelle, I'm a
(11:07):
huge fan of Da Chapelle, like a huge, huge fan
of Day Chapelle. And he was saying, like, we don't
want those jobs. And he was talking about making shoes,
and I'm like, Yo, that's not the job he's talking about, right,
(11:29):
he's talking about like if Trump, if we're talking about
Trump is like he's talking about the industry jobs and
how everybody in America felt, oh, we were done with
those jobs. But whole nations are building, you know, their
whole economy off of those same exact like opportunities. Sure,
(11:52):
And what I'm missing, Pete, like, how do they convince
the industry? How do they convince America? Like America? Why
can't America see it? Now? Like? What am I missing?
That makes it so hard for the average everyday American
to understand.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
That understand the fact that offshoring the productive industry sector
had ramifications for probably a third to forty percent of
the quality of life of working Americans.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yes, I think like how could politics? How could politics
make Americans somehow not notice that this was something driven
by politics?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Look, people with politics, I mean, and it isn't a
lot of senses driven by politics in multiple ways. I mean,
I think that like you look at the agricultural and
like ranching sectors in the United States, which those supported
lots of people for a long time. You know, they've
become very consolidated. They don't support as many peoples they
(13:10):
used to. And a lot has to do with the
fact that other other countries, I mean, like like all
of the trade war stuff, people don't think. People think, oh,
Donald Trump's firing off tariff bombs at every country in
the world or whatever, Like he's basically shooting back with
fifty percent of the tariffs that they have on us,
just about like fifty two percent, it seems like. So
(13:34):
that means even if there's not a market for certain
things here that we could make, there might be a
market for them elsewhere, but it's not even cost effective
to send them out. So that's problematic. I think people
also just figured in reality, like a lot of poys
looked at it, well, Okay, who cares. If everything gets
(13:55):
cheaper and you make a little bit less money, you'll
be able to afford it because it's all so much cheaper.
I think that's the ultimate like frame of reference for
people in their understanding of consumer globalism.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Do they not see that you don't have money, so
these need to be cheaper, Like how could they miss
that obvious fact?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Now they part of that like as a car guard peak.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Like one thing you hear about I've always heard over
the last forty years, right this is now we're going
back to my teenage years, right is I've always heard like,
oh man, this stuff made in China, Like that's a
reference of bad quality. Sure like historically, now I don't
know if that's being prejudiced, but historically I've read for
(14:52):
companies that was true. Yeah, I get it because you
don't want to just say that, but I understand why
it's that way. So like if prime example, shout out
to Airflow Research. Airfrs are like my favorite cylinder heads
when it comes to drag racing cars. They just got
a free commercial. It's like one of the best heads ever,
cetldar heads. If you want to make your car make
more power, AFFR Airflow Research best cetlder heads and racing
(15:15):
as far as GM stuff for stuff, just really great company.
They have a head now, right that's like a head
for an LS motor, a cylinder head, and it's like
a it's like cheap. It's like twelve hundred dollars for
set for like a five to three. Well, five to
three is like the equivalent of a modern three twenty seven.
(15:36):
But the new motors and chevrolets, they you know, they
don't title them in cubic inch anymore. They have a
set of heads for those that run twelve hundred. Now,
this is like, by far the cheapest head Airflow Research
ever had. And I'm asking a buddy of minds. Now,
I have a really good friend who actually designed the
(15:59):
Airflow Research heads, which is crazy, Like, this is how
long I've been in the racing. This is how much
I'm into it. A buddy of minds who helped me
do my head race card, right, is actually the guy
who designed the heads for Airflow Research. And he said,
he said, but why these head so cheap? I asked him.
I was like, man, it's my lowrider for my five three.
(16:20):
He said, man, glasses, those heads are junk. Like what
you mean they junk? He's like, man, their heads made
in China. I'm like, damn, airflow heads fucking made in China.
This is fucking crazy. He's like, all the airflow heads
are made in China. Right, he said. The difference is
they would get the cast done in China and then
they would ship them here and then do the actual
(16:41):
detailed labor to get the quality that we expect from
airflow research. And I heard the other day in like
the person's market, right in the bag market for women's purses,
they're doing the same thing.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So right now, it's almost like the organic thing. You
could say made in America. If you assemble it in America.
That means the actual material could be cast in China
or made in China, as long as you assemble part
of it in America, a specific part of it in America.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Beef yep.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So it becomes legal terms versus what the actual term means.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think if you cut the beef in the United States,
it can be USDA beef. The cow didn't have to
be from here, not that it probably matters all that
much where the hell cow's eating grass, but there are
certain standards, yeah, as to the grass and the environment
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and all the rest, and it matters for us rancher.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So it's like all of this stuff that I'm figuring
out is now making Trump look a lot less crazy
to me. Like, imagine being on the other end of
that right, and taking advantage of everything. You know, like
and you have enough information to take advantage of it.
(18:10):
But you're like, man, I'm telling you, y'all think this
is cool, but look at this. This is bullshit. This
is this, this is that, And that's been his thing.
I remember the first debate he had with Hillary Clinton,
a viral clip where he was saying, that's.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Somebody accused him of like paying off politicians or something
when he was in you know, developing buildings or whatever.
And he says, yeah, because otherwise nothing could ever get done.
He's like, you have to do that, otherwise you're never
going to get a permit. I had to contribute to
Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign. That's why she came to my
kid's wedding. Something along those lines. And it's that's that's
(18:50):
been his kind of mo o and that is very true,
and I think a lot of the issues now are
The name of this book that I read last year
was a great book. Guilder's latest book called Life After Capitalism.
We are in a post like people like to people
I think think getting money means capitalism. We are in
a very post capitalist global economy. The regulations are so
(19:17):
great on so many levels, not only like what you
can and can't do, but financially how you can and
can borrow international trade tariff deals where you have to
do certain things certain way all the time. It's there's
not a robust free market where you can just have
(19:38):
the drive, have the idea, raise some money and go.
It's not. That's not the world we live in right now.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Unfortunately, that shit just blowing me away, Like some shit
could be made in China. It's cast in China, but
because they'll work on it here, they could say this
is made in America.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Or like I was telling King about organic, like organic
is more of a legal term than actually what you
would think that means. It goes back to that same
letter in spirit of the law, like the spirit of
organic what makes you think is grown naturally? But that
may not be the letter of what organic means or
USDA means, or made in America means.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Not very true, That's all I was just reading just
now where USDA got a certification program that they do
with other countries for organic fruits and vegetables. It's got
to meet their certain requirements. In other companies in USD
would live them say it's made in US.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Oh gotcha?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And I.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Organic?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Is there's some.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Slippery language I think in all the organic laws. To
a guy talk about that, who's one of the big
grower is it one of the heads of the big
grower associates, like you know, they have co ops in
the Central Valley in California, and saying like some of
you organic, you might like there's a period of time
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like any pesticide made before or after whatever can't be organic.
So people use these old archaic ways to kill bugs
that are actually like less healthy than some of the
modern pesticides because you know, to a loophole in this
organic certification process, people still don't want bugs.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So how could polit seems to be so good that
people miss something that seems so obvious to me? Right, Pete,
I'm probably the most racist person you know, top of ten,
I gotta be up there. I'm hello racist, But how
can I see the obviousness of what the fuck this
motherfuck or people talking about in general? Like how can
(21:54):
I it be that obvious to me but to everybody
else who's supposed to be less races or not into politics,
Like I don't get that shit. You know what I mean,
I don't get it. I don't understand how. I'm like,
it looks pretty obvious to me. Is it possible? It
is different, But you would think that what's happening makes sense.
(22:15):
It's like, okay, well you need to bring productivity back
to America. Yeah, it may not look like it looked
in the sixties technology, right, but you still have more
jobs here that would help more people here so they
could have more money here.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah. And look, anytime something bad has happened, even small bad,
there's a lot of protected from ever happening again, you know.
And like one thing I've noticed it it's harder to
afford a house. Will create some sort of federal program
where you can put three percent down at whatever rate,
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and that drives up the price of the house because
you don't have to have very much money down to
get the house, so you're making less of money. The
house is more expensive. So you're paying off the house
for yees thirty years, and you have a raiser with
(23:18):
you know, cost of living margin for thirty years, and
you're dependent now on your stock portfolio to support you
for the rest of your life. And you're just transit.
People are just walking through like a turnstile at a
department store going from mortgage to reverse mortgage, because when
(23:39):
it's talking to you to retire, you got to take
all the money out of that house, reverse mortgage it out,
and live off your four o one k because the
stocks in it all went up seven percent over the
course of the previous two decades because they cut costs
to increase you know, their bottom line margins and drive
up the price of stock. So that that's most Americans,
(24:02):
like the high part of the Bell curve is mortgage
four oh one k extremely dependent on the you know,
basically the index aggregate performances of Wall Street and huge companies.
And that's true with like especially like government employees with
(24:26):
huge pensions. They're very buoyed to the market. And that's
a lot of like, like I know, Black Rock has
trillions of dollars, like trillions and trillions of dollars in
their of their portfolio of assets in management that are
government employee pension funds. So it's just borrow money now,
(24:48):
drive the prices of equities, tie your retirement and your
net worth into these equities, deal with it later, and
you know, will inflate the dollar, will increase the debt
will do all these various things, will offshore jobs, you'll
make relatively less money, things will cost relatively more, and
in the back end you'll be fine and your kids
(25:10):
will have your same problem a little worse.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
But go on, hey, Pete, how does that affect the
poor people that's not buying into pensions at work and
stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Not well, I mean, I guess the argue would say,
like if you were really poor and didn't have a
job to pay you very much money before, you probably
wouldn't have a job pay you much money now. Not
a huge change, but for there is a significant check
of people who went from being an auto workers' union
(25:43):
to being a part time waiter now at two diners
or something like that. You know, and that's a that
is a real number. That is a lot of people,
and that is a beating of a lifestyle change.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
How do you reverse that?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
That's kind of like what they're trying to do now.
I mean, you can try to ensure more production, I think,
I mean, we even outsourced a lot of production of
military hardware, which that's governing money. There's no reason that
should be cent overseas. No, we have contracts with India
and stuff like that. I mean, just from a you know,
(26:25):
civil responsibility standpoint, if you're gonna take tax dollars to
manufacture thing, you should at least manufactured here. Fuck, it
seemed like a real.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
High bar, and that's what's driving me crazy. Like I'm okay,
So what I'm starting to understand is there's my belief
is so I am I genuinely feel not could be
Obviously I need to do more research. I'm I'm a socialist, right, yes,
(26:59):
but I also believe in humans doing right by humans.
Like I think if the government is forced to do
right by humans, then that comes a communist society. Does
that makes sense? Is that is that? I'm sure it's
more difference, but like people like Hershey huh said, it's
probably less difference. Okay, but like people like Milton Hershey right,
(27:21):
where like you have a good idea, you create town, right,
you you bring people in, you take care of people future,
and you're wealthy and developing human life, you know, human lives,
human experience, cultivating human experiences, not just your customer, but
even the people that for you, right, which is why
we have Hershey's right. This is this great chocolate company
(27:45):
and you know not that I but really the greatest
part of this legacy to me, it's Hershey, Pennsylvania, right
where you created a town where you you you got
human beings into careers, You built schools, You built an
opportunity for other you men who are not in your
position or you know, to be able to take care
of their families. That's to me like what wealthy means, right,
(28:08):
it's a well of things you build in humans. So
it's weird when like people keep trying to get me
to adjust my mind state of like this personal independence, like, oh,
you know, you just live aspirationally. You know, the way
to help black people is to show them you could
do it and then they'll figure out they could do it.
(28:29):
And I'm like, that's dumb as fuck, you know what
I mean, Like I'm from a gang. Bro Like, y'all
know I'm from a gang. Everybody listens, No siblings knows
that from a gang. But yeah, right, So I remember
talking to my homies and looking at their opportunities and
how they saw the world. My homeboy, Moto rest Is Soul,
(28:50):
dropped out in like fifth or sixth grade. His mom,
you know, rest in Peaces. Soone his mom was on
you know, she got she caught the worst of the
crack erar right, Pops, I don't know, because Pops, I
never met him. You know, I've been knowing Moto since
he was probably seven or eight, right, But I just
looked at our experiences. Right, my mother and father broke up.
But my mother, my dad, and my stepmom, you feel me,
(29:15):
they had a solid home. Neither one of them, you know,
fell victim to the crack air. My mother, you know,
had her own home and content. She didn't fall victim
to the crack air. So I look at my foundation
and things to keep me going, staying in school, and
obviously my mom goes to the FEDS right when I'm
a teenager. My father got a lot of kids. He's
trying to take care of the house, you know. And
(29:37):
it was just a small moment of time that I
was able to slip off end of selling drugs, which
kind of created my level of street life. And I
look at his life and realized to myself, like, yo,
he never had a chance. So I don't care how
successful I How could I help him? Aspirationally, Like if
I can't reach out, like shout out to my homeboy Snoopy,
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my homeway Junior Junior right now, got about ten years
in prison, one of my closest homeboys. He my young homeboy,
and we're talking. We're texting every day.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
They have a tablet in there. He's using a tablet
and I'm like, man, what you're gonna do when you
come home? He's like, man, I don't know. Now. Mayu
Junior is working on forty. He not quite forty, but
he's working on forty. To me, that's the Milton Hershey thing,
like what drives me to get better at what we do?
Right king in his music industry and trying to redefind
it is the first time my homeboy. Look, Jay came on.
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Jerome came on from prison after doing fifteen years. He's
back in prison now. But Jerome aka scaff Right Scavenger,
Look Jay, he comes home and he needs a career.
He doesn't need a job. He needs a career to
keep him busy, to keep him into things. Because again
he was raised by his grandparents. You know, it's a
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separation of time. It's harder for grandparents to stay on kids,
like it's hard for my mom and dad had to
stay on their grandkids. You know, that's why you know
my sister Edon is so important that she got to
stay on them. So nothing I did aspirationally helps scab
or look, you know, drown. Nothing I can do aspirationally
is going to help Moto rest is soul. Nothing. In
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real time, it didn't matter how Sobro was. It didn't
matter if I was making money, It didn't matter none
of that stuff, because his problems was his problems. The
only thing that could have helped him if I had
a fucking factory and they could say, hey man, you
know at this time, hey Moto, I can give you
sixty thousand dollars a year at a time in watch,
you can get the house and watch for ninety thousand dollars. Right,
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that's a seven hundred dollars mortgage payment at that time. Right,
he could have had five thousand dollars a month before taxes,
maybe forty one hundred or thirty nine hundred at of
the taxes, we could have bought a house and moved
on with his life. Same thing for little Jay Junior
right now, Junior, who's like I said, he's like, I
don't know what I'm gonna do, right, because he dedicated
so much much time. And that is what being a
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great human is all about. It's not about me personally
going out making a bunch of money that I don't need.
It means how you take care of other humans. Same
conversation that we've had often, right, being humane is caring
for other humans. And these are three certain homies. They
all three different. Junior situation is different than Little J situation,
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lit J Jeronskaff his situation was different than Moto situation.
But aspirational don't help shit nothing, And I gotta figure
it out because he's probably three years in counting. Feel
me like on what to do. People can't understand why
you feel tasked by that. That's what hip hop or
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gangbang it really is. It's the burden of humans. That's
what being a good human is. It's the burden of humans.
So when I watch America or you know, it empowers
the elite to say, hey, you know, make your money
how you want. We want to open up a global economy,
and you trade on you trade in people having to
be good to who lives next door to them for
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their own personal aspiration of world conquests and world conquests
and economics and they could just go to China and
take advantage of some other people when you just outlawed
the same thing in this country. It just seems counterproductive,
if that, If that makes sense, forgive me for that.
Hella not true.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It's a past the buck kind of approach.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Just passing the buck. Huh.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, And I don't know. China's economy is not the
most transparent, so I really don't know as much about
it as i'd want to to make the assessments that
I want to make. Like, I know, they have the
weaker thing going on, and that's pretty brutal. Their entire
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manufacturing economy is not the weakers and they have pulled
a lot of people out of I mean, that was
a poor, poor, poor country. They were too poor to
feed their people in the fifties, Like they lost eighty
million people, Like they were poor. So they've they've had
some growth trajectory, but still, I mean, like I think
they're a little over twenty trillion as a GDP for
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their country. Their population is a little old, that's about
one point what three or four trillion, So I think they're.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like I got they don't have a treating people here.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Sorry, billion I'm sorry, trillions and billions in the field.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Because because I got to stay up moment, you fucking mynds,
you changed that.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
They had a lot of kids.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
If you think about all of those countries, uh, China, India,
it's those are really poor or places, but a lot
of them are lifting the country out of those type
of devastations through industry. True, yet we sold our industry out, like,
except the America is okay. So there's one part of America, right,
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the elite benefiting economically, and then the regular everyday American. Right,
they're like just getting a cheaply made, cheaply priced product. Yeah,
Like I was telling King, we made we made a
deal for this merch piece that we were about to
drop for the single, right for the single that's about
to come out in a couple of weeks, and like
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my whole thing, Like I told King, Like, the original
price of this jacket was like one hundred dollars, right,
that was the price because I thought we was gonna
be in a jacket forty fifty dollars, right, We end
up probably be in a jacket a little less than
forty dollars. So I'm like, we don't need to make
more fifty dollars, so we're gonna pass the savings. You know,
we're gonna pass the savings onto the customer. That's I
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believe in it. I didn't look at it like, Okay,
well we might be in the jacket now instead of
forty and fifty bugs. We might be in a jacket's
thirty dollars, but now we're gonna make seventy dollars. It's like, no,
we could let the price of the jacket now to
seventy five or eighty five dollars.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Sure, And typically, I mean usually that's how things work.
I mean, like retail has what about a like a
three x markup. It's kind of industry standard, but it's
very competitive. So if you have something that's like if
somebody's ties specific, like the glasses of Alone brand, you're
not price competing against somebody else's glasses of Alone brand,
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you know what I mean. So it's a different consideration.
But yeah, I know what you mean. Like one thing's interesting,
like some you talk about like India and China and whatnot.
Before a lot of this transition was we're gonna I
think a lot of people believed it's fine, we'll just
move into more of a of an information economy. Yeah,
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we'll even be on service there, like a technology based economy.
Remember I think it was Hillary Clinton kind of got
a little razz a little bit. This might have been
eight in the primary against Obama. I can't remember memories
I could, But the whole learn to code thing, Yeah,
we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna shut down coal plants and
you'll lose all your jobs, but you'll learn the code.
(37:22):
Which if you said to somebody who's forty five years
old and we're gonna coal mine for twenty years, that's
just unbelievable. But there was a surge in programmers and
demand on shore in the United States, and they were
paying a lot of money. And how do we respond
to that by bringing in tens of thousands of H
one B visas from India to come and bring that
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price right the fuck back down and take the jobs.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
But and then it's also weird, like you'll call a
company bro and you'll ask to speak to an operator,
and you could tell the it's somewhere cheap.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
But they always have American names and lie about it.
That's that's really finny Otho. This is Gerald. But they'll
have like their access. They'll say like the most like
like America, not like l Pool. Your name is not Gerald,
Yeah it's Danesh. Come on, you're on Dennis Danesh. I
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don't care. I just want to know.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's just so clear that this country is said, you
know what's funny, shout out to my old g homies. Right. Look, again,
I hear a lot of rumors about game mag and
I always try to clear it that for people with
everybody's being then asshole and they think they know even
though I'm a gang member, I'm like a real gang member.
I'm a real gang member that socialized with a lot
of gang members to this day. For me again, so
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it's like I don't think people understand, like, you know,
you can go eat breakfast with gang members, you know
what I mean. You play chess, you know, people build cars.
Everybody's not just stealing pursons or murdering people. It's very
much people that grew up in their community. And I
just was thinking to myself, like, man, my homies had
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a great idea with the economy when it came to hustling.
You bought your product right from one of your older
homies and then you sold it right there. The dollar
recycled in the seven two or three times before it left.
That's why our economy was so great. And it didn't
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start to fall the power until people started going around
the older homies trying to buy from somebody else to
save some money, when they didn't realize this is what
powers the economy. There was a time bro seventh Street
crypt might have one hundred hundred and fifty people. That
was a time that was thirty low riders. Like you
know there's big sixties at that time didn't have thirty
low riders. It's a thousand of the motherfuckers six old
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did not have thirty low riders. We had low riders.
That's how great our economy did. That's why my respect
from my older homie Pluck is so grand. He was
actually a really great kind of president of the community.
That don't mean nothing because he had homies that had
as much power, but he did a better job of
running it that way. And I realized why, like, yeah,
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I could go get this gallon of shrine from this
dude from Grave Street for seventy five hundred, and Pluck
is gonna charge me eighty five hundred. But guess what,
that extra thousand stay right on the seven. He gonna
create other opportunities for other homies who not hustling. He'll
put money on other homies books. It made sense. Why
don't Americans get the same thought? Because it shit kills me?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Because anymore, because because we'll buy anything. It would be
the equivalent to if the consumers of the products from
the seven just didn't give a shit, if shut stuff
was water down and crappy and just bought it from
the other side of croosis, just said, fuck it, five
dollars cheaper over there it's shitty. Who cares. We'll just
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buy a shitty shit and lots of it.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
But where'd that mentality come from?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Though?
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Like would build that mentality, you know in the years
where you're willing to buy you know, subpart ship from
somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I think people, if something is so good and it's
expensive and you can't afford it, that's like it internally troubling,
you know what I mean, that's a hard pill to swallow.
Someone else has a thing it's really nice. I'd love
to have that thing. I just can't get it.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
So you can buy the next best team.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
So you'd buy the second best thing. Yeah okay, and
there's always going to be more people than they can
afford the second best thing than the best thing. And
then before you know what, the people who got the
best thing or got the money for the best thing,
you know something, And I think that's fine, now I
got it. Let's get that. I'll save the money. And
then the guy makes the nicest thing goes out of.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Business because then the trend thing kicks in.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, like, look at the American car. Look at how
great the American sedan was in nineteen sixty five and
how shitty the American sedan was in nineteen eighty five
after the camera came and changed the market.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
And it's funny because when you go to Germany, bro,
everybody has a bands because you can't like it. It's
like a cheap car.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
You can't sell anything except German cars in Germany. I mean,
you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Any American cars.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
You're right, Yeah, they've been talking about that. It's a
triple digit tariff on US autobiles to Germany.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Oh, that's why when you go to Japan, the only
people who have American cars are low riders. They're paying
the luxury tax to have it.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, or they're buying them really really cheap and redoing
them so that the teriff doesn't matter, or they're buying I.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Don't know, they they're buying it from the streets, so they.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, as I said, it's different when it's private party
than than yeah, business.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
But you don't see American cars in Japan. I didn't
see American cars.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, Japan has a has a two hundred plus I
think percent tariff on American cars very high.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But like that's crazy, But so how do so is
the freedom the prisoner at that point that we think
is freedom in is? Like how does that make sense?
Like like I could, like I want to ask my dad,
like what it was like for him. My dad probably
got his driver license in sixty five, maybe even sixty.
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He would have been fifteen and sixty two, so sixty
three he was sixteen. I wonder how many import cars
were on the road in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Three, leadership. I don't even think compared to like luxury
American sedans. I don't even think Mercedes were that nice
at that time. It pretty much would have been just Rolls,
Royce Bentley and then Ferrari and Porsche.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
But like now you don't. Even if you walk outside
your house and you walk on your street and you count,
you're going to count less domestic cars right far.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Shit, the domestic cars are being built overseas with just
American tag on it.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, they put the windshield on here and call it
an American car.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
You look at the engine parts and stuff they say
made from always over there.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Sure, and even a lot of the assembly is done
in Mexico.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
They just cut on the doors here, but it's made
in America because that's of America.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
A lot of these big countries now are from people
in Japan and China that we think of American companies
are no longer even American companies no more. Your parent
companies is in Japan and other countries and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Hello Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, I'm just say owned by young brands out of Japan.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
You know, a lot of these places that people think
of American tradition now hasn't been for years. Sure, so
they're not trying to put the money back in America
if you look at it, If you look at it
that way, they're not worried about the American economy in
that sense. Yeah, they're just using it so they don't
care what they do. Just burn it up and they gone, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I think there's a lot of stuff that could reasonably
be Like it feels like a cell phone assembly. People
don't want to sit there and you know, micro assemble
circuit boards all damn day. Fine, we could sure shit
make gorilla glass.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
You got a prisoner's peak that would do that with
cell phones all day.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
You aren't allowed to have cell phones in prison, I thought.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
I mean, but no, they got you know, you could
build things in prison. They got factories that you could
build stuff in prison. Now security may be up, but
you could build things. Prisoners is building funditure and stuff.
Will they take all those programs out of the prisons
then well, who else got a building? Now they send
it out of the country. Cheap is cheap as the prisoner.
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You know, they take it from a cheap prisoner building
it by saying it's in humane and all this crazy
stuff they say in another kind.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, do you think in your opinion that if the
cost benefit analysis are consideration, so to speak, for being
in prison as an inmate, that the opportunity to acquire
a marketable skill but having to actually do work while
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you're in there. Is that a good trade off in
your or you think that it's a shitty trade off
when you're in there, so trade off.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
They don't work to get a skill in prison, for sure, Okay,
you know, the question is the opportunity once they get out.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
So who the fuck was advocating against that for all
those years and saying it's inhumane to have them in
there working. It's just a bunch of it's It's like,
that's like a bunch of stupid, like fictitious do gooders
who just want to like.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Well it was ap. What it was was the benefit
of working because they exactly like if you take those
jobs from prisoners, people on the outside would get them.
But it's still the neighborhoods they sent them out of
the country.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Well. Also also they were saying that they were working
for so cheap. It was like you're in jail, you
feel me so like to me, like that made the
most sense, right, It's like.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
You create internship around college.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I thought it was about Hey, it was you know,
I mean I saw I saw complaints on outside about
the pay at that time. Yeah, you know what I'm
saying now.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
That's what I'm saying, those type of thing titious do gooders.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I'm saying think about it, though, King, Like,
you learn a trade in jail, you're able to come
out and get a career. Wouldn't that be kind of
close to rehabilitation.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I mean, what reality is if I wanted to go
to a trade school and not get paid to do work,
I would be paying.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Then in Washington State, I was like one of the
last part of rehabilitation where they let us go to
school and everything, college and everything. And I was the
last year where the citizens like, you're paying for their
school and you're giving them pail grants, you're doing all
that for them in prison. And that's where they cut
the rehabilitation off.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
At gotcha, what year was that about?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Oh Jesus gonna tell my age. Bout nineteen two thousand
around there, ninety eight two thousand, your age. But that's
about the time period where they started talking about not
rehabilitation because they're wasting all this money. They're supposed to
be punishment. It's supposed to be punishment, you know. So
when he was getting jobs, it was getting the education
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and rehabilitation. When we came out. The studuma now was
you're at felon. Yeah, so it didn't matter what you
did inside prison. The chances of getting a good job
when you got out was neil. It's different nowadays, but
back in the days when the transition from rehabilitation to punishment,
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it didn't offer nobody a chance when they got out.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Isn't that funny that it's harder now when there's no
rich Like now they don't matter, but now they're not
gonna teach you nothing, you know what I mean? People
go to jail, like my homeboy going to jail for years,
and like he's not going to have an opportunity to
learn a livable ways trade where he can make a living.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
Yeah, that's putiful, But we don't worry about that because
we were about them sending people out of here to
other prisons. That's what trists me out.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
You know what's funny, man, The thing that this country
was established on, they figured out a way to turn
it into what they were trying to not turn it
into in the same instance, but they were able to
turn it into it right here. You know what I mean?
With these sets of rules like the government, like your
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forefathers fought for this not to be a country like
the country that they left, you know what I mean,
where it was hard to change the stars, where you
had to be what you were. But now they're because
the elite are at the top, they're ruling so hard
and they want to just keep you know, their goal
(50:36):
is to keep just financially destroying, getting money right, just going,
going going. Now they're just they're trying to import people. Right.
You gotta realize, real estate in America, like California is
so bad. It's mainly because people coming into this country,
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like you're competing with different families, multiple families sometimes to
get one house. So guess what, it makes it hard
for you to change your stars because now everything becomes
this ridiculous who will work for the cheapest and who
will pay the most, right, So you know who's going
to pay the cheapest, right, who's who don't mind getting
(51:19):
paid the less the least, right, and then who will
pay the most of this house? So they turned it
into the actual country they were running away from when
they came here in the first place. They're making it
to where now is. That's why the middle class is
being like obliviated, like it's over because obliterate, excuse me,
is over because it's like you're what's like the broke
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and wealthy. That's what's happening.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
And that's yeah, and that's Europe, which is a I've
referred to Europe as a bastion of mediocrity, maybe not
on here, but many times. And there isn't a lot
of vertical mobility. And again, disruptors come from the middle class.
They have enough know how, enough understanding, enough resources, and
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they have the hunger. I mean, it's not always the
rich guy's kid who redefines some industry.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Rarely is it the rich guy's kid.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's it's not a guy who lives thirty minutes away.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
And it's tougher for a poor person because they don't
believe they could do it. So it's when you it's
so what happens is it's that that factory worker's kid
who goes on to college, right, that that factory worker
in fifties and sixties who sacrifice their own dreams to
take care of their family, get their kid through college.
That kid is the guy that's changed, that changed America.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
It's describes Steve Jobs, a guy stand's parents' house was
a modest looking house in the Bay Area. It wasn't
on the water, it was in the valley. And he
started the company his parents' garage.
Speaker 4 (53:03):
So is so is he hating what his parents do
looking down like his parents worked in that factory. Now
he's looking down at that as like, I don't want
to be like my parents working in the factory.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
That it is just a hunger to exceed.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
And I think there's also a lot of it is.
And I don't know if it's always Apple's competing against Google,
and these are hyper performers, like hyper achievers, so they're
extremely competitive. They're really good at what they do. These
aren't everyday people. There's why there's only a couple hundred
(53:39):
of them. But I'm not positive if it's an obsession
to be the best in competing against the other company
and ramifications be damned, or if it's and it does
look like this in a lot of ways. You get
a lot of strategic corporate partnerships or whatever I've said. Now, California,
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in my life, I would define it as a barrier
of entry. Economy. Yeah, a bunch of in a lot
of money. It's not a lot of great ideas. I
mean there's a handful of great ideas in one little spot.
Other than that, there's not a ton of great ideas happening.
It's just I made a bunch of money. I want
to secure my assets from possible loss of value.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
So what was promised to people to leave to get
them out the factory to go to school or something
like that, Because we're talking about the industrial age being
one of the greater times where people had the chance
to get a job, get enough paid to buy a house,
and make kids to college. So what stop people for
one to do industry and go and shut them down.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, they close a lot of them, and then I
think they STIGMATI.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
It too, I see me saying. So the wealthy person
who started the industry right, realize they can get even
wealthier if they outsourced the work based off of certain loans,
certain things being brought down. Right. So before before America
was incentivized to build here, Americans were incentivized to buy American,
(55:05):
they were incentivized, it would have been hard to import things, right.
That would have been a really different challenge probably thirty forties, fifties, sixties,
That would have been a different type of task, right,
versus so American, you know, even the wealthy American were
incentivized to build here. It wasn't this concept of free
(55:28):
pray that was so free. And when they opened it up.
You go around, obviously you see places like China, you know,
and again, this is why I kind of worry about
being as wealthy as I'm about, like as we're about
to get, right, is when you get wealthy, it seems
like you start to pray on people. Like you either
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really poor and you pray on people, or you're really wealthy.
I always say, poor people and wealthy people are exactly alike.
They're not really different at all when you really get
into it. But start to pray on people, so imagine
you're going to kind of write like Pete just described
when they just had this this this mass hunger, you know,
deaf people dying of starvation, you know what I mean.
(56:12):
And you could go over here and set up businesses
where you can pay people like a recording guardist fractions
on a cent for hours of work. Right, you could
pay them fractions of a cent per hour to work
on things because they're starving and the one barrier is
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shipping it here. The tax you would have to pay
getting it here. Those are the barriers. They have already
passed quality. They these people are not incentivized to become
you know, great at building this stuff. They can't even
you know, they don't make more money in China. It's
not that type of program. They have a communist society,
they don't. It's not incentivized by that. So they just
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build things to the minimum standard.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
But in the fifties and sixties, right, King, you could
go to China and or Indian you could see these
economies in Mexico. Mexico is a third world country, was
to until win is it still one? Now it's passing.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
I would describe that as being still true now.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay, So it's like you can go to places where
people don't have a ton of opportunity and hire them
ford try to. You can hire them, yeah, and imagine
what you're gonna pay them. You could teach them, King
and pay them a fraction of what you're gonna pay
Americans for it. And in the in the tear flaw
(57:35):
that you had to import, right, that shit was it
was nothing void. You were almost incentivized to go out
and take advantage of other people and then seem like
they're blessing. It's like if somebody is thirsty, right, Like
you go to somewhere where somebody's dying of thirst and
you piss in their mouth, You still a hero.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, that's camping on a broken bitch.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
The hero. Dirty water in the desert probably tastes like Fiji.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
It was all the broke bits upfeat broken.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yes, yeah, you find some broken, abused, cast out bitch
for it the work. You got a nicer place to
stay now.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
But you could always catch yourself on the back publicly
for that. Yeah, and people like only to a mind
like mine, you look like a hero.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
But that was the leak that did that. What about
the poor people that can't see that? How do you
get them to see this?
Speaker 1 (58:28):
They didn't have anything to do with it. They just
came to the factories one day and the factories were
shut down.
Speaker 3 (58:33):
And part of it also like just to be like
well rounded on the on the math you started getting
and like you know how you see it now with
like government pensions like like the California teachers, like cowpers
pension stuff and the way that that's straining the budget.
So you get a pension contract, let's say it's ten years,
(58:58):
and then it contracts up, so the union has to
show up for the employees and they got to raise
you know, the shit, or we're gonna strike or whatever else. Well,
it becomes a lot easier to play kick the can
down the road by saying we're gonna give you a
three percent raise, but we're gonna increase your pension benefits
by whatever, or your healthcare benefits in retirement by whatever.
(59:21):
So it's gonna be expensive later but cheaper now, but
we're gonna give you these these benefits. Well, when later
shows up, you have this ballooning of your cost of
labor because some of it's not even active labor by
that point in time. So now it's not like the government.
The government can borrow money differently, it can prove it's
(59:42):
a whole different party for the public sector. But a
lot of that does happen. I mean, like I remember before,
I remember they had a when they did the GM bailout.
I think the real cost for GM per line worker
was something like ninety dollars an hour. Now they weren't
seeing the ninety dollars, but the cost their labor budget
(01:00:06):
divided by line workers actually working employed at the time
was ninety dollars an hour. That's an awful lot for
Schetty Cruz.
Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
What was they actually seeing when they wasn't seeing the ninety.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I don't know, depend on their contract to go back
and do the math. But I mean, you figure you're
paying in your salary, your assurance and your pension contributions,
and then some of that also is you have to
keep up payments for retirees and they're you know, what's
due to them. So yeah, it was like we got
very expensive for some of these companies. So that's that's
(01:00:48):
also part of it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
You know, shit just is irritating me. And I'm sure
somewhere along the line the American government. So I have
to find somebody that's in the politics and the history
of politics. I probably know the right person, but I
don't think they're up on business, but I know who
to ask. So America either had to start over taxing
(01:01:12):
people right in this country, like Peter saying, where certain
things will happen in the fifties and sixties. So I
don't know what happened first. Did the American government starts saying, okay,
we need to start getting more money out of you,
or did they realize it made more sense to go
out of the country and advantage the cheap labor or
did they happen somewhere at the same time simultaneously. What
(01:01:33):
do you mean then, what was the true motivation? We
have to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Well, what's the question? The questioner?
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
So like government, Like, let's say you own a GM factory,
your General Motors. You have a GM factory in Detroit
in nineteen fifties. What happens first is the American government saying, hey,
you know what, we need more money out of UGM
for this factory, or is it, hey, you know what,
we've been to China. There's a greater opportunity to make money.
(01:02:05):
What happened first?
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
What happened was like that industry taxes really have come
down since Kennedy. I mean they've they've in general, there
have been you know, ebbs and flows, but in general
they've come down a lot, as far as the minutia
of exemptions and right off and whatever else. But in
general they've come down. But the total revenue of the
(01:02:27):
government has gone up because the economy has grown. So
a million times five is better than one hundred thousand
times ten. But they had again because we don't tear
iff like other countries. So you get not just like
(01:02:49):
what I was saying with there's a lot of unions
out there, you know, so that and that does manipulate
the job market. And that has been like the parasite
that killed the host in a lot of cases. It's
not a fake thing that happened. That started to those
(01:03:09):
chickens streed to come home to roost right around the
same time that the Chinese, that the Japanese automobile became
introduced to the marketplace. And you can't have a seismic
reassessment of consumer retail price expectation at the same time
(01:03:29):
that you're going to have to deal with a seismic
reconsideration of labor costs upward first downward. That's that is suicide.
Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
So you're saying like that, like the unions and stuff
helped make it easier for GM or somebody like that
to say well we'll go out the country.
Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Then hey, I would say made it easier, they made
it necessary. Oh okay, I mean it was kind of
like your only choice. It was like, well, we're not
going to continue to sell our cars at thirty five
K in nineteen eighty two, whatever the hell the price
would have been to have the same quality of car
when the camera's coming in and then Honda Accord is
(01:04:08):
coming in or whatever the hell, and they're selling them
at eight grand. There's probably was eighteen to eight reever
the hell the number one. We're gonna have to drive
the price of our Sedana way down. And I don't
think there's really enough corners to cut.
Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
And just the American people screw themselves.
Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
In some ways. Yeah, I mean, is it better if
you're a family of four to have one really nice
Chevy and Paula or two Honda Accords.
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Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sinners Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your
load glasses Malone. Everybody been asking me on the lunch
hour and where's Pete? And I really haven't told anybody,
you know what I mean. Why I'm like, oh, he
(01:07):
just taking a little sabbatical, you know what I'm saying,
Like he'll be back, you know what I mean? Yeah,
but you can tell people because this ain't for the
lunch hour, this is for the regular podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
This is for just audience.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, I have to get back into like full time
like trading trading and shit, because like I functioned in
huge ebbs and flows the last couple of years, so
I've made like I've tripled my money in a quarter
and then like halved my money in a quarter like subsequently,
So like during stretches when I like pour a bunch
(01:44):
of money into some shit and don't have any money
until it cycles back up again, I have to drive Uber.
But I got kicked off the fucking platform permanently. So
I joined this options trading group that goes in the mornings.
But I'm new to it and I'm not throwing ten
K and these option moves out of the rip like
that shit's I mean, I got clobbered the first week.
(02:06):
So I was like, yeah, if I'm to do this
full time, I can't try to get in and out
in the mornings with the group. So I'm like on
the market all day long, trying to make more moves
at smaller volumes while I learned. And I've been learning,
so it's getting better. But yeah, the lunch table that
(02:27):
happens during trading hours, so I'm unavailable.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, and they got to just hold up till we
figure it out. So what happened was because that was
your numb will just mess up pay your bills time.
I really tell what happened.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So this is what made it even more weird. I
literally would just go to the gym, which is by
the airport in Miami Airport, sit there till someone was
going up to for Lauderdale and then once then go
to for a Lotder airport and wait till someone was
coming back to Miami and go home. That was all
I would do. I wasn't out all damn day and
all night long pick people. I just went from one
airport to the other and back. After the gym. That
(03:03):
was it don't enough enough, I don't. I got told
that I had complaints. Bear in mind, the city of
Miami is a third world cluster fuck shit show, and
that's more true on the roads than anywhere else. That's
(03:24):
where it all comes. Everything comes to Jesus on the roads.
These people don't know how to drive. They crash like
nothing I've ever personally seen. I've driven half a million
miles in Los Angeles County. I've never seen anything like this.
They banned me for I got apparently that I got
two complaints about unsafe driving practices. I must have used
(03:45):
my turn signal and it scared them strange as shit.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And so then what did Uber do?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
They just sent me a message that you go, You're done,
no appeal process.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
That's nothing I set.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
In the peel and it's been over a week. Then
they don't know what They're not going to turn that.
I only did this to see what would happen.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
They're not gonna turn that shit. So we need an
inside plug at Uber. So shout out to everybody who
missions to No Sings podcast or the lunch tables. We
need to plug inside Uber to get Pete's account overturn.
Because how many stars did you have as a driver
out of five?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like four point nine and then and then I got
lowered to four point like eight eight, So not real bad,
But I mean what I after after my spot burned
down in California, I drove ten hours a day, seven
days a week for three or four years in a row.
Like I didn't take a night off work for like
fourteen hundred days in a row. Like that's probably shortened
(04:48):
shorten it. It was probably more mh. But like, I mean,
you got me. I never I never had a complain
like that. And usually even if you speed the app
tracks you you get a messa say, it looks like
you've been speeding lately. I hadn't had one of else.
(05:09):
I mean, is I personally like I know what happened.
A couple people I got a little impatient with because
they couldn't find where I was because they they know
it all, which they don't. And they go upstairs after
they asked me to go downstairs and then tell me
(05:30):
that they're downstairs. So I'm like, you're not, you're upstairs,
and they get and they get all chippy, and then
I tell them, go look at the sign, what's to say?
Read it to me out loud, And they read to
me out loud and they go, oh, I guess I'm upstairs.
I go yeah, But by that time I'm pretty pissed,
so they probably complained in a drive like shit, that's
(05:52):
the only thing that could have.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Happened that or twice.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I only got I only saw one of them, but
they said it happened twice, but they only said they
can only document one, so it's whatever I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
You never drove for Lyft.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I got banned from Lift for life.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Awesome, pe got banned from Twitter, and.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I got banned from every every big Silicon Valley based,
multi billion dollar tax.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Every liberal platform possible.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Basically, I got banned from Lyft though for turning down
cheap rides at the airport. I didn't even do anything.
I was just sitting there looking at it. I'm like,
I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't
want that. And they're like, you're banned for life, and
I was like.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Huh, happened. So again, to everybody who listens to No
Sellers podcast or or come watch the Lunch Hour on
YouTube if you have a plug. Pete has great driving reviews.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
We need you to make sure I want to be back.
I didn't make more money last week than otherwise.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, but anyway, we need to make sure we get
this off of your thing. Anyway, the option should be.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Available, so if y'all it's nice to have a back
safety of that.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But yeah, so if the option was possible, y'all can help.
Please help reach out hit its own Instagram and you
can help out No Seilings Podcast. What's having gl I
got my brother Peter Boss, who hasn't been on the
Lunch Hour but he's back for the No Seilings podcast
because he does have time during the weekend and knock
(07:31):
out the weekly podcast. I got my brother King in
the house doing the laure's work. Then we off with
this thing.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Man, So I hope we should have put upload the
video here because we finally get a chance to really
see King. His camera's not so far away.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, I can adjust that too at the studio. But
then I kind of like the wide of it.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, no, it's cool. You've got multiple people at the table.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah. Yeah, So what you were saying gave me two thoughts,
and that's why I was asking, and thank you for
letting me share you know what's happening. But you sent
me a really dope article and a lot of those
same things. I was thinking, you know what I mean
(08:19):
in that article, and the article just talked about how
America kind of how the elite and the most successful
people in America realized they could even make more money,
you know what I mean, and they decided to sell
out the average American citizen for their own personal glory.
But one of the things I remember about it in
(08:41):
this conversation or in this article specifically, and I want
the address in this conversation was where they talked about
trading in production for service. Yes, like in the industry
for service. I read it to King too. That's the
crazy part. I read it to King.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Want to say, what, so that's the article you read
to me?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Was driving? Yeah, I've read it to King because I
just wanted to hear him and you could tell it
with somebody much more educated in it than I am, right,
because honestly, intellect will get you far. You can't overstep
the ability to think and process because you're lacking information.
(09:27):
But some of this stuff feels a little obvious, right,
And one of those things I thought about was, you know,
America was a much better place. It might have been
a little bit more racist, but it was a much
better place in the fifties and sixties, where the average
everyday American can go down to a factory, you know,
(09:48):
and start to sacrifice their dreams per se right to
buy a house, take care of their family, and put
their kids through school. And they convinced every anybody in
America that you were going to become a part of
marketing or like service. And that's what I thought about
when when you taught me everything that was happening with
(10:09):
you with uber, where I was like, damn, this is
exactly that type of thing where it's now just a
service thing.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, the economy shift happened on like I got hit
in the face with that when I was twenty four,
when the entire when like a generations model of like
how corporate sales worked shifted like on a dime in
two thousand and eight, and everybody went to like this
weird like ten ninety nine commission only sales jobs, or
(10:39):
you were either making two hundred grand or you were
getting like no money, or they were hiring it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
And that's what I was thinking about. I was thinking
about that specifically, like that's one of those things where
you know, like the concept of convenience is ruined the
quality of life. Like I watched Dave Chapelle, I'm a
(11:07):
huge fan of Da Chapelle, like a huge, huge fan
of Day Chapelle. And he was saying, like, we don't
want those jobs. And he was talking about making shoes,
and I'm like, Yo, that's not the job he's talking about, right,
(11:29):
he's talking about like if Trump, if we're talking about
Trump is like he's talking about the industry jobs and
how everybody in America felt, oh, we were done with
those jobs. But whole nations are building, you know, their
whole economy off of those same exact like opportunities. Sure,
(11:52):
And what I'm missing, Pete, like, how do they convince
the industry? How do they convince America? Like America? Why
can't America see it? Now? Like? What am I missing?
That makes it so hard for the average everyday American
to understand.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
That understand the fact that offshoring the productive industry sector
had ramifications for probably a third to forty percent of
the quality of life of working Americans.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yes, I think like how could politics? How could politics
make Americans somehow not notice that this was something driven
by politics?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Look, people with politics, I mean, and it isn't a
lot of senses driven by politics in multiple ways. I mean,
I think that like you look at the agricultural and
like ranching sectors in the United States, which those supported
lots of people for a long time. You know, they've
become very consolidated. They don't support as many peoples they
(13:10):
used to. And a lot has to do with the
fact that other other countries, I mean, like like all
of the trade war stuff, people don't think. People think, oh,
Donald Trump's firing off tariff bombs at every country in
the world or whatever, Like he's basically shooting back with
fifty percent of the tariffs that they have on us,
just about like fifty two percent, it seems like. So
(13:34):
that means even if there's not a market for certain
things here that we could make, there might be a
market for them elsewhere, but it's not even cost effective
to send them out. So that's problematic. I think people
also just figured in reality, like a lot of poys
looked at it, well, Okay, who cares. If everything gets
(13:55):
cheaper and you make a little bit less money, you'll
be able to afford it because it's all so much cheaper.
I think that's the ultimate like frame of reference for
people in their understanding of consumer globalism.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Do they not see that you don't have money, so
these need to be cheaper, Like how could they miss
that obvious fact?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Now they part of that like as a car guard peak.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Like one thing you hear about I've always heard over
the last forty years, right this is now we're going
back to my teenage years, right is I've always heard like,
oh man, this stuff made in China, Like that's a
reference of bad quality. Sure like historically, now I don't
know if that's being prejudiced, but historically I've read for
(14:52):
companies that was true. Yeah, I get it because you
don't want to just say that, but I understand why
it's that way. So like if prime example, shout out
to Airflow Research. Airfrs are like my favorite cylinder heads
when it comes to drag racing cars. They just got
a free commercial. It's like one of the best heads ever,
cetldar heads. If you want to make your car make
more power, AFFR Airflow Research best cetlder heads and racing
(15:15):
as far as GM stuff for stuff, just really great company.
They have a head now, right that's like a head
for an LS motor, a cylinder head, and it's like
a it's like cheap. It's like twelve hundred dollars for
set for like a five to three. Well, five to
three is like the equivalent of a modern three twenty seven.
(15:36):
But the new motors and chevrolets, they you know, they
don't title them in cubic inch anymore. They have a
set of heads for those that run twelve hundred. Now,
this is like, by far the cheapest head Airflow Research
ever had. And I'm asking a buddy of minds. Now,
I have a really good friend who actually designed the
(15:59):
Airflow Research heads, which is crazy, Like, this is how
long I've been in the racing. This is how much
I'm into it. A buddy of minds who helped me
do my head race card, right, is actually the guy
who designed the heads for Airflow Research. And he said,
he said, but why these head so cheap? I asked him.
I was like, man, it's my lowrider for my five three.
(16:20):
He said, man, glasses, those heads are junk. Like what
you mean they junk? He's like, man, their heads made
in China. I'm like, damn, airflow heads fucking made in China.
This is fucking crazy. He's like, all the airflow heads
are made in China. Right, he said. The difference is
they would get the cast done in China and then
they would ship them here and then do the actual
(16:41):
detailed labor to get the quality that we expect from
airflow research. And I heard the other day in like
the person's market, right in the bag market for women's purses,
they're doing the same thing.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So right now, it's almost like the organic thing. You
could say made in America. If you assemble it in America.
That means the actual material could be cast in China
or made in China, as long as you assemble part
of it in America, a specific part of it in America.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Beef yep.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So it becomes legal terms versus what the actual term means.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I think if you cut the beef in the United States,
it can be USDA beef. The cow didn't have to
be from here, not that it probably matters all that
much where the hell cow's eating grass, but there are
certain standards, yeah, as to the grass and the environment
(17:44):
and all the rest, and it matters for us rancher.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So it's like all of this stuff that I'm figuring
out is now making Trump look a lot less crazy
to me. Like, imagine being on the other end of
that right, and taking advantage of everything. You know, like
and you have enough information to take advantage of it.
(18:10):
But you're like, man, I'm telling you, y'all think this
is cool, but look at this. This is bullshit. This
is this, this is that, And that's been his thing.
I remember the first debate he had with Hillary Clinton,
a viral clip where he was saying, that's.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Somebody accused him of like paying off politicians or something
when he was in you know, developing buildings or whatever.
And he says, yeah, because otherwise nothing could ever get done.
He's like, you have to do that, otherwise you're never
going to get a permit. I had to contribute to
Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign. That's why she came to my
kid's wedding. Something along those lines. And it's that's that's
(18:50):
been his kind of mo o and that is very true,
and I think a lot of the issues now are
The name of this book that I read last year
was a great book. Guilder's latest book called Life After Capitalism.
We are in a post like people like to people
I think think getting money means capitalism. We are in
a very post capitalist global economy. The regulations are so
(19:17):
great on so many levels, not only like what you
can and can't do, but financially how you can and
can borrow international trade tariff deals where you have to
do certain things certain way all the time. It's there's
not a robust free market where you can just have
(19:38):
the drive, have the idea, raise some money and go.
It's not. That's not the world we live in right now.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Unfortunately, that shit just blowing me away, Like some shit
could be made in China. It's cast in China, but
because they'll work on it here, they could say this
is made in America.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Or like I was telling King about organic, like organic
is more of a legal term than actually what you
would think that means. It goes back to that same
letter in spirit of the law, like the spirit of
organic what makes you think is grown naturally? But that
may not be the letter of what organic means or
USDA means, or made in America means.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Not very true, That's all I was just reading just
now where USDA got a certification program that they do
with other countries for organic fruits and vegetables. It's got
to meet their certain requirements. In other companies in USD
would live them say it's made in US.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Oh gotcha?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And I.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Organic?
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Is there's some.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Slippery language I think in all the organic laws. To
a guy talk about that, who's one of the big
grower is it one of the heads of the big
grower associates, like you know, they have co ops in
the Central Valley in California, and saying like some of
you organic, you might like there's a period of time
(21:10):
like any pesticide made before or after whatever can't be organic.
So people use these old archaic ways to kill bugs
that are actually like less healthy than some of the
modern pesticides because you know, to a loophole in this
organic certification process, people still don't want bugs.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So how could polit seems to be so good that
people miss something that seems so obvious to me? Right, Pete,
I'm probably the most racist person you know, top of ten,
I gotta be up there. I'm hello racist, But how
can I see the obviousness of what the fuck this
motherfuck or people talking about in general? Like how can
(21:54):
I it be that obvious to me but to everybody
else who's supposed to be less races or not into politics,
Like I don't get that shit. You know what I mean,
I don't get it. I don't understand how. I'm like,
it looks pretty obvious to me. Is it possible? It
is different, But you would think that what's happening makes sense.
(22:15):
It's like, okay, well you need to bring productivity back
to America. Yeah, it may not look like it looked
in the sixties technology, right, but you still have more
jobs here that would help more people here so they
could have more money here.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah. And look, anytime something bad has happened, even small bad,
there's a lot of protected from ever happening again, you know.
And like one thing I've noticed it it's harder to
afford a house. Will create some sort of federal program
where you can put three percent down at whatever rate,
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and that drives up the price of the house because
you don't have to have very much money down to
get the house, so you're making less of money. The
house is more expensive. So you're paying off the house
for yees thirty years, and you have a raiser with
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you know, cost of living margin for thirty years, and
you're dependent now on your stock portfolio to support you
for the rest of your life. And you're just transit.
People are just walking through like a turnstile at a
department store going from mortgage to reverse mortgage, because when
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it's talking to you to retire, you got to take
all the money out of that house, reverse mortgage it out,
and live off your four o one k because the
stocks in it all went up seven percent over the
course of the previous two decades because they cut costs
to increase you know, their bottom line margins and drive
up the price of stock. So that that's most Americans,
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like the high part of the Bell curve is mortgage
four oh one k extremely dependent on the you know,
basically the index aggregate performances of Wall Street and huge companies.
And that's true with like especially like government employees with
(24:26):
huge pensions. They're very buoyed to the market. And that's
a lot of like, like I know, Black Rock has
trillions of dollars, like trillions and trillions of dollars in
their of their portfolio of assets in management that are
government employee pension funds. So it's just borrow money now,
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drive the prices of equities, tie your retirement and your
net worth into these equities, deal with it later, and
you know, will inflate the dollar, will increase the debt
will do all these various things, will offshore jobs, you'll
make relatively less money, things will cost relatively more, and
in the back end you'll be fine and your kids
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will have your same problem a little worse.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
But go on, hey, Pete, how does that affect the
poor people that's not buying into pensions at work and
stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Not well, I mean, I guess the argue would say,
like if you were really poor and didn't have a
job to pay you very much money before, you probably
wouldn't have a job pay you much money now. Not
a huge change, but for there is a significant check
of people who went from being an auto workers' union
(25:43):
to being a part time waiter now at two diners
or something like that. You know, and that's a that
is a real number. That is a lot of people,
and that is a beating of a lifestyle change.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
How do you reverse that?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
That's kind of like what they're trying to do now.
I mean, you can try to ensure more production, I think,
I mean, we even outsourced a lot of production of
military hardware, which that's governing money. There's no reason that
should be cent overseas. No, we have contracts with India
and stuff like that. I mean, just from a you know,
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civil responsibility standpoint, if you're gonna take tax dollars to
manufacture thing, you should at least manufactured here. Fuck, it
seemed like a real.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
High bar, and that's what's driving me crazy. Like I'm okay,
So what I'm starting to understand is there's my belief
is so I am I genuinely feel not could be
Obviously I need to do more research. I'm I'm a socialist, right, yes,
(26:59):
but I also believe in humans doing right by humans.
Like I think if the government is forced to do
right by humans, then that comes a communist society. Does
that makes sense? Is that is that? I'm sure it's
more difference, but like people like Hershey huh said, it's
probably less difference. Okay, but like people like Milton Hershey right,
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where like you have a good idea, you create town, right,
you you bring people in, you take care of people future,
and you're wealthy and developing human life, you know, human lives,
human experience, cultivating human experiences, not just your customer, but
even the people that for you, right, which is why
we have Hershey's right. This is this great chocolate company
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and you know not that I but really the greatest
part of this legacy to me, it's Hershey, Pennsylvania, right
where you created a town where you you you got
human beings into careers, You built schools, You built an
opportunity for other you men who are not in your
position or you know, to be able to take care
of their families. That's to me like what wealthy means, right,
(28:08):
it's a well of things you build in humans. So
it's weird when like people keep trying to get me
to adjust my mind state of like this personal independence, like, oh,
you know, you just live aspirationally. You know, the way
to help black people is to show them you could
do it and then they'll figure out they could do it.
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And I'm like, that's dumb as fuck, you know what
I mean, Like I'm from a gang. Bro Like, y'all
know I'm from a gang. Everybody listens, No siblings knows
that from a gang. But yeah, right, So I remember
talking to my homies and looking at their opportunities and
how they saw the world. My homeboy, Moto rest Is Soul,
(28:50):
dropped out in like fifth or sixth grade. His mom,
you know, rest in Peaces. Soone his mom was on
you know, she got she caught the worst of the
crack erar right, Pops, I don't know, because Pops, I
never met him. You know, I've been knowing Moto since
he was probably seven or eight, right, But I just
looked at our experiences. Right, my mother and father broke up.
But my mother, my dad, and my stepmom, you feel me,
(29:15):
they had a solid home. Neither one of them, you know,
fell victim to the crack air. My mother, you know,
had her own home and content. She didn't fall victim
to the crack air. So I look at my foundation
and things to keep me going, staying in school, and
obviously my mom goes to the FEDS right when I'm
a teenager. My father got a lot of kids. He's
trying to take care of the house, you know. And
(29:37):
it was just a small moment of time that I
was able to slip off end of selling drugs, which
kind of created my level of street life. And I
look at his life and realized to myself, like, yo,
he never had a chance. So I don't care how
successful I How could I help him? Aspirationally, Like if
I can't reach out, like shout out to my homeboy Snoopy,
(29:58):
my homeway Junior Junior right now, got about ten years
in prison, one of my closest homeboys. He my young homeboy,
and we're talking. We're texting every day.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
They have a tablet in there. He's using a tablet
and I'm like, man, what you're gonna do when you
come home? He's like, man, I don't know. Now. Mayu
Junior is working on forty. He not quite forty, but
he's working on forty. To me, that's the Milton Hershey thing,
like what drives me to get better at what we do?
Right king in his music industry and trying to redefind
it is the first time my homeboy. Look, Jay came on.
(30:33):
Jerome came on from prison after doing fifteen years. He's
back in prison now. But Jerome aka scaff Right Scavenger,
Look Jay, he comes home and he needs a career.
He doesn't need a job. He needs a career to
keep him busy, to keep him into things. Because again
he was raised by his grandparents. You know, it's a
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separation of time. It's harder for grandparents to stay on kids,
like it's hard for my mom and dad had to
stay on their grandkids. You know, that's why you know
my sister Edon is so important that she got to
stay on them. So nothing I did aspirationally helps scab
or look, you know, drown. Nothing I can do aspirationally
is going to help Moto rest is soul. Nothing. In
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real time, it didn't matter how Sobro was. It didn't
matter if I was making money, It didn't matter none
of that stuff, because his problems was his problems. The
only thing that could have helped him if I had
a fucking factory and they could say, hey man, you
know at this time, hey Moto, I can give you
sixty thousand dollars a year at a time in watch,
you can get the house and watch for ninety thousand dollars. Right,
(31:40):
that's a seven hundred dollars mortgage payment at that time. Right,
he could have had five thousand dollars a month before taxes,
maybe forty one hundred or thirty nine hundred at of
the taxes, we could have bought a house and moved
on with his life. Same thing for little Jay Junior
right now, Junior, who's like I said, he's like, I
don't know what I'm gonna do, right, because he dedicated
so much much time. And that is what being a
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great human is all about. It's not about me personally
going out making a bunch of money that I don't need.
It means how you take care of other humans. Same
conversation that we've had often, right, being humane is caring
for other humans. And these are three certain homies. They
all three different. Junior situation is different than Little J situation,
(32:27):
lit J Jeronskaff his situation was different than Moto situation.
But aspirational don't help shit nothing, And I gotta figure
it out because he's probably three years in counting. Feel
me like on what to do. People can't understand why
you feel tasked by that. That's what hip hop or
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gangbang it really is. It's the burden of humans. That's
what being a good human is. It's the burden of humans.
So when I watch America or you know, it empowers
the elite to say, hey, you know, make your money
how you want. We want to open up a global economy,
and you trade on you trade in people having to
be good to who lives next door to them for
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their own personal aspiration of world conquests and world conquests
and economics and they could just go to China and
take advantage of some other people when you just outlawed
the same thing in this country. It just seems counterproductive,
if that, If that makes sense, forgive me for that.
Hella not true.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It's a past the buck kind of approach.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Just passing the buck. Huh.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, And I don't know. China's economy is not the
most transparent, so I really don't know as much about
it as i'd want to to make the assessments that
I want to make. Like, I know, they have the
weaker thing going on, and that's pretty brutal. Their entire
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manufacturing economy is not the weakers and they have pulled
a lot of people out of I mean, that was
a poor, poor, poor country. They were too poor to
feed their people in the fifties, Like they lost eighty
million people, Like they were poor. So they've they've had
some growth trajectory, but still, I mean, like I think
they're a little over twenty trillion as a GDP for
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their country. Their population is a little old, that's about
one point what three or four trillion, So I think they're.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like I got they don't have a treating people here.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Sorry, billion I'm sorry, trillions and billions in the field.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Because because I got to stay up moment, you fucking mynds,
you changed that.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
They had a lot of kids.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
If you think about all of those countries, uh, China, India,
it's those are really poor or places, but a lot
of them are lifting the country out of those type
of devastations through industry. True, yet we sold our industry out, like,
except the America is okay. So there's one part of America, right,
(35:17):
the elite benefiting economically, and then the regular everyday American. Right,
they're like just getting a cheaply made, cheaply priced product. Yeah,
Like I was telling King, we made we made a
deal for this merch piece that we were about to
drop for the single, right for the single that's about
to come out in a couple of weeks, and like
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my whole thing, Like I told King, Like, the original
price of this jacket was like one hundred dollars, right,
that was the price because I thought we was gonna
be in a jacket forty fifty dollars, right, We end
up probably be in a jacket a little less than
forty dollars. So I'm like, we don't need to make
more fifty dollars, so we're gonna pass the savings. You know,
we're gonna pass the savings onto the customer. That's I
(36:00):
believe in it. I didn't look at it like, Okay,
well we might be in the jacket now instead of
forty and fifty bugs. We might be in a jacket's
thirty dollars, but now we're gonna make seventy dollars. It's like, no,
we could let the price of the jacket now to
seventy five or eighty five dollars.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Sure, And typically, I mean usually that's how things work.
I mean, like retail has what about a like a
three x markup. It's kind of industry standard, but it's
very competitive. So if you have something that's like if
somebody's ties specific, like the glasses of Alone brand, you're
not price competing against somebody else's glasses of Alone brand,
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you know what I mean. So it's a different consideration.
But yeah, I know what you mean. Like one thing's interesting,
like some you talk about like India and China and whatnot.
Before a lot of this transition was we're gonna I
think a lot of people believed it's fine, we'll just
move into more of a of an information economy. Yeah,
(37:01):
we'll even be on service there, like a technology based economy.
Remember I think it was Hillary Clinton kind of got
a little razz a little bit. This might have been
eight in the primary against Obama. I can't remember memories
I could, But the whole learn to code thing, Yeah,
we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna shut down coal plants and
you'll lose all your jobs, but you'll learn the code.
(37:22):
Which if you said to somebody who's forty five years
old and we're gonna coal mine for twenty years, that's
just unbelievable. But there was a surge in programmers and
demand on shore in the United States, and they were
paying a lot of money. And how do we respond
to that by bringing in tens of thousands of H
one B visas from India to come and bring that
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price right the fuck back down and take the jobs.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
But and then it's also weird, like you'll call a
company bro and you'll ask to speak to an operator,
and you could tell the it's somewhere cheap.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
But they always have American names and lie about it.
That's that's really finny Otho. This is Gerald. But they'll
have like their access. They'll say like the most like
like America, not like l Pool. Your name is not Gerald,
Yeah it's Danesh. Come on, you're on Dennis Danesh. I
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don't care. I just want to know.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's just so clear that this country is said, you
know what's funny, shout out to my old g homies. Right. Look, again,
I hear a lot of rumors about game mag and
I always try to clear it that for people with
everybody's being then asshole and they think they know even
though I'm a gang member, I'm like a real gang member.
I'm a real gang member that socialized with a lot
of gang members to this day. For me again, so
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it's like I don't think people understand, like, you know,
you can go eat breakfast with gang members, you know
what I mean. You play chess, you know, people build cars.
Everybody's not just stealing pursons or murdering people. It's very
much people that grew up in their community. And I
just was thinking to myself, like, man, my homies had
(39:12):
a great idea with the economy when it came to hustling.
You bought your product right from one of your older
homies and then you sold it right there. The dollar
recycled in the seven two or three times before it left.
That's why our economy was so great. And it didn't
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start to fall the power until people started going around
the older homies trying to buy from somebody else to
save some money, when they didn't realize this is what
powers the economy. There was a time bro seventh Street
crypt might have one hundred hundred and fifty people. That
was a time that was thirty low riders. Like you
know there's big sixties at that time didn't have thirty
low riders. It's a thousand of the motherfuckers six old
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did not have thirty low riders. We had low riders.
That's how great our economy did. That's why my respect
from my older homie Pluck is so grand. He was
actually a really great kind of president of the community.
That don't mean nothing because he had homies that had
as much power, but he did a better job of
running it that way. And I realized why, like, yeah,
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I could go get this gallon of shrine from this
dude from Grave Street for seventy five hundred, and Pluck
is gonna charge me eighty five hundred. But guess what,
that extra thousand stay right on the seven. He gonna
create other opportunities for other homies who not hustling. He'll
put money on other homies books. It made sense. Why
don't Americans get the same thought? Because it shit kills me?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Because anymore, because because we'll buy anything. It would be
the equivalent to if the consumers of the products from
the seven just didn't give a shit, if shut stuff
was water down and crappy and just bought it from
the other side of croosis, just said, fuck it, five
dollars cheaper over there it's shitty. Who cares. We'll just
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buy a shitty shit and lots of it.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
But where'd that mentality come from?
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Though?
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Like would build that mentality, you know in the years
where you're willing to buy you know, subpart ship from
somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
I think people, if something is so good and it's
expensive and you can't afford it, that's like it internally troubling,
you know what I mean, that's a hard pill to swallow.
Someone else has a thing it's really nice. I'd love
to have that thing. I just can't get it.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
So you can buy the next best team.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
So you'd buy the second best thing. Yeah okay, and
there's always going to be more people than they can
afford the second best thing than the best thing. And
then before you know what, the people who got the
best thing or got the money for the best thing,
you know something, And I think that's fine, now I
got it. Let's get that. I'll save the money. And
then the guy makes the nicest thing goes out of.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Business because then the trend thing kicks in.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, like, look at the American car. Look at how
great the American sedan was in nineteen sixty five and
how shitty the American sedan was in nineteen eighty five
after the camera came and changed the market.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
And it's funny because when you go to Germany, bro,
everybody has a bands because you can't like it. It's
like a cheap car.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
You can't sell anything except German cars in Germany. I mean,
you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Any American cars.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
You're right, Yeah, they've been talking about that. It's a
triple digit tariff on US autobiles to Germany.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Oh, that's why when you go to Japan, the only
people who have American cars are low riders. They're paying
the luxury tax to have it.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, or they're buying them really really cheap and redoing
them so that the teriff doesn't matter, or they're buying I.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Don't know, they they're buying it from the streets, so they.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, as I said, it's different when it's private party
than than yeah, business.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
But you don't see American cars in Japan. I didn't
see American cars.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, Japan has a has a two hundred plus I
think percent tariff on American cars very high.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But like that's crazy, But so how do so is
the freedom the prisoner at that point that we think
is freedom in is? Like how does that make sense?
Like like I could, like I want to ask my dad,
like what it was like for him. My dad probably
got his driver license in sixty five, maybe even sixty.
(43:51):
He would have been fifteen and sixty two, so sixty
three he was sixteen. I wonder how many import cars
were on the road in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Three, leadership. I don't even think compared to like luxury
American sedans. I don't even think Mercedes were that nice
at that time. It pretty much would have been just Rolls,
Royce Bentley and then Ferrari and Porsche.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
But like now you don't. Even if you walk outside
your house and you walk on your street and you count,
you're going to count less domestic cars right far.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Shit, the domestic cars are being built overseas with just
American tag on it.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, they put the windshield on here and call it
an American car.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
You look at the engine parts and stuff they say
made from always over there.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Sure, and even a lot of the assembly is done
in Mexico.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
They just cut on the doors here, but it's made
in America because that's of America.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
A lot of these big countries now are from people
in Japan and China that we think of American companies
are no longer even American companies no more. Your parent
companies is in Japan and other countries and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Hello Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, I'm just say owned by young brands out of Japan.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
You know, a lot of these places that people think
of American tradition now hasn't been for years. Sure, so
they're not trying to put the money back in America
if you look at it, If you look at it
that way, they're not worried about the American economy in
that sense. Yeah, they're just using it so they don't
care what they do. Just burn it up and they gone, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I think there's a lot of stuff that could reasonably
be Like it feels like a cell phone assembly. People
don't want to sit there and you know, micro assemble
circuit boards all damn day. Fine, we could sure shit
make gorilla glass.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
You got a prisoner's peak that would do that with
cell phones all day.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
You aren't allowed to have cell phones in prison, I thought.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
I mean, but no, they got you know, you could
build things in prison. They got factories that you could
build stuff in prison. Now security may be up, but
you could build things. Prisoners is building funditure and stuff.
Will they take all those programs out of the prisons
then well, who else got a building? Now they send
it out of the country. Cheap is cheap as the prisoner.
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You know, they take it from a cheap prisoner building
it by saying it's in humane and all this crazy
stuff they say in another kind.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, do you think in your opinion that if the
cost benefit analysis are consideration, so to speak, for being
in prison as an inmate, that the opportunity to acquire
a marketable skill but having to actually do work while
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you're in there. Is that a good trade off in
your or you think that it's a shitty trade off
when you're in there, so trade off.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
They don't work to get a skill in prison, for sure, Okay,
you know, the question is the opportunity once they get out.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
So who the fuck was advocating against that for all
those years and saying it's inhumane to have them in
there working. It's just a bunch of it's It's like,
that's like a bunch of stupid, like fictitious do gooders
who just want to like.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Well it was ap. What it was was the benefit
of working because they exactly like if you take those
jobs from prisoners, people on the outside would get them.
But it's still the neighborhoods they sent them out of
the country.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Well. Also also they were saying that they were working
for so cheap. It was like you're in jail, you
feel me so like to me, like that made the
most sense, right, It's like.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
You create internship around college.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I thought it was about Hey, it was you know,
I mean I saw I saw complaints on outside about
the pay at that time. Yeah, you know what I'm
saying now.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
That's what I'm saying, those type of thing titious do gooders.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I'm saying think about it, though, King, Like,
you learn a trade in jail, you're able to come
out and get a career. Wouldn't that be kind of
close to rehabilitation.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
I mean, what reality is if I wanted to go
to a trade school and not get paid to do work,
I would be paying.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Then in Washington State, I was like one of the
last part of rehabilitation where they let us go to
school and everything, college and everything. And I was the
last year where the citizens like, you're paying for their
school and you're giving them pail grants, you're doing all
that for them in prison. And that's where they cut
the rehabilitation off.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
At gotcha, what year was that about?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Oh Jesus gonna tell my age. Bout nineteen two thousand
around there, ninety eight two thousand, your age. But that's
about the time period where they started talking about not
rehabilitation because they're wasting all this money. They're supposed to
be punishment. It's supposed to be punishment, you know. So
when he was getting jobs, it was getting the education
(49:02):
and rehabilitation. When we came out. The studuma now was
you're at felon. Yeah, so it didn't matter what you
did inside prison. The chances of getting a good job
when you got out was neil. It's different nowadays, but
back in the days when the transition from rehabilitation to punishment,
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it didn't offer nobody a chance when they got out.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Isn't that funny that it's harder now when there's no
rich Like now they don't matter, but now they're not
gonna teach you nothing, you know what I mean? People
go to jail, like my homeboy going to jail for years,
and like he's not going to have an opportunity to
learn a livable ways trade where he can make a living.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
Yeah, that's putiful, But we don't worry about that because
we were about them sending people out of here to
other prisons. That's what trists me out.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
You know what's funny, man, The thing that this country
was established on, they figured out a way to turn
it into what they were trying to not turn it
into in the same instance, but they were able to
turn it into it right here. You know what I mean?
With these sets of rules like the government, like your
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forefathers fought for this not to be a country like
the country that they left, you know what I mean,
where it was hard to change the stars, where you
had to be what you were. But now they're because
the elite are at the top, they're ruling so hard
and they want to just keep you know, their goal
(50:36):
is to keep just financially destroying, getting money right, just going,
going going. Now they're just they're trying to import people. Right.
You gotta realize, real estate in America, like California is
so bad. It's mainly because people coming into this country,
(50:56):
like you're competing with different families, multiple families sometimes to
get one house. So guess what, it makes it hard
for you to change your stars because now everything becomes
this ridiculous who will work for the cheapest and who
will pay the most, right, So you know who's going
to pay the cheapest, right, who's who don't mind getting
(51:19):
paid the less the least, right, and then who will
pay the most of this house? So they turned it
into the actual country they were running away from when
they came here in the first place. They're making it
to where now is. That's why the middle class is
being like obliviated, like it's over because obliterate, excuse me,
is over because it's like you're what's like the broke
(51:43):
and wealthy. That's what's happening.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
And that's yeah, and that's Europe, which is a I've
referred to Europe as a bastion of mediocrity, maybe not
on here, but many times. And there isn't a lot
of vertical mobility. And again, disruptors come from the middle class.
They have enough know how, enough understanding, enough resources, and
(52:08):
they have the hunger. I mean, it's not always the
rich guy's kid who redefines some industry.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Rarely is it the rich guy's kid.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's it's not a guy who lives thirty minutes away.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
And it's tougher for a poor person because they don't
believe they could do it. So it's when you it's
so what happens is it's that that factory worker's kid
who goes on to college, right, that that factory worker
in fifties and sixties who sacrifice their own dreams to
take care of their family, get their kid through college.
That kid is the guy that's changed, that changed America.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
It's describes Steve Jobs, a guy stand's parents' house was
a modest looking house in the Bay Area. It wasn't
on the water, it was in the valley. And he
started the company his parents' garage.
Speaker 4 (53:03):
So is so is he hating what his parents do
looking down like his parents worked in that factory. Now
he's looking down at that as like, I don't want
to be like my parents working in the factory.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
That it is just a hunger to exceed.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
And I think there's also a lot of it is.
And I don't know if it's always Apple's competing against Google,
and these are hyper performers, like hyper achievers, so they're
extremely competitive. They're really good at what they do. These
aren't everyday people. There's why there's only a couple hundred
(53:39):
of them. But I'm not positive if it's an obsession
to be the best in competing against the other company
and ramifications be damned, or if it's and it does
look like this in a lot of ways. You get
a lot of strategic corporate partnerships or whatever I've said. Now, California,
(54:01):
in my life, I would define it as a barrier
of entry. Economy. Yeah, a bunch of in a lot
of money. It's not a lot of great ideas. I
mean there's a handful of great ideas in one little spot.
Other than that, there's not a ton of great ideas happening.
It's just I made a bunch of money. I want
to secure my assets from possible loss of value.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
So what was promised to people to leave to get
them out the factory to go to school or something
like that, Because we're talking about the industrial age being
one of the greater times where people had the chance
to get a job, get enough paid to buy a house,
and make kids to college. So what stop people for
one to do industry and go and shut them down.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah, they close a lot of them, and then I
think they STIGMATI.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
It too, I see me saying. So the wealthy person
who started the industry right, realize they can get even
wealthier if they outsourced the work based off of certain loans,
certain things being brought down. Right. So before before America
was incentivized to build here, Americans were incentivized to buy American,
(55:05):
they were incentivized, it would have been hard to import things, right.
That would have been a really different challenge probably thirty forties, fifties, sixties,
That would have been a different type of task, right,
versus so American, you know, even the wealthy American were
incentivized to build here. It wasn't this concept of free
(55:28):
pray that was so free. And when they opened it up.
You go around, obviously you see places like China, you know,
and again, this is why I kind of worry about
being as wealthy as I'm about, like as we're about
to get, right, is when you get wealthy, it seems
like you start to pray on people. Like you either
(55:49):
really poor and you pray on people, or you're really wealthy.
I always say, poor people and wealthy people are exactly alike.
They're not really different at all when you really get
into it. But start to pray on people, so imagine
you're going to kind of write like Pete just described
when they just had this this this mass hunger, you know,
deaf people dying of starvation, you know what I mean.
(56:12):
And you could go over here and set up businesses
where you can pay people like a recording guardist fractions
on a cent for hours of work. Right, you could
pay them fractions of a cent per hour to work
on things because they're starving and the one barrier is
(56:33):
shipping it here. The tax you would have to pay
getting it here. Those are the barriers. They have already
passed quality. They these people are not incentivized to become
you know, great at building this stuff. They can't even
you know, they don't make more money in China. It's
not that type of program. They have a communist society,
they don't. It's not incentivized by that. So they just
(56:54):
build things to the minimum standard.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
But in the fifties and sixties, right, King, you could
go to China and or Indian you could see these
economies in Mexico. Mexico is a third world country, was
to until win is it still one? Now it's passing.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
I would describe that as being still true now.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay, So it's like you can go to places where
people don't have a ton of opportunity and hire them
ford try to. You can hire them, yeah, and imagine
what you're gonna pay them. You could teach them, King
and pay them a fraction of what you're gonna pay
Americans for it. And in the in the tear flaw
(57:35):
that you had to import, right, that shit was it
was nothing void. You were almost incentivized to go out
and take advantage of other people and then seem like
they're blessing. It's like if somebody is thirsty, right, Like
you go to somewhere where somebody's dying of thirst and
you piss in their mouth, You still a hero.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, that's camping on a broken bitch.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
The hero. Dirty water in the desert probably tastes like Fiji.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
It was all the broke bits upfeat broken.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yes, yeah, you find some broken, abused, cast out bitch
for it the work. You got a nicer place to
stay now.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
But you could always catch yourself on the back publicly
for that. Yeah, and people like only to a mind
like mine, you look like a hero.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
But that was the leak that did that. What about
the poor people that can't see that? How do you
get them to see this?
Speaker 1 (58:28):
They didn't have anything to do with it. They just
came to the factories one day and the factories were
shut down.
Speaker 3 (58:33):
And part of it also like just to be like
well rounded on the on the math you started getting
and like you know how you see it now with
like government pensions like like the California teachers, like cowpers
pension stuff and the way that that's straining the budget.
So you get a pension contract, let's say it's ten years,
(58:58):
and then it contracts up, so the union has to
show up for the employees and they got to raise
you know, the shit, or we're gonna strike or whatever else. Well,
it becomes a lot easier to play kick the can
down the road by saying we're gonna give you a
three percent raise, but we're gonna increase your pension benefits
by whatever, or your healthcare benefits in retirement by whatever.
(59:21):
So it's gonna be expensive later but cheaper now, but
we're gonna give you these these benefits. Well, when later
shows up, you have this ballooning of your cost of
labor because some of it's not even active labor by
that point in time. So now it's not like the government.
The government can borrow money differently, it can prove it's
(59:42):
a whole different party for the public sector. But a
lot of that does happen. I mean, like I remember before,
I remember they had a when they did the GM bailout.
I think the real cost for GM per line worker
was something like ninety dollars an hour. Now they weren't
seeing the ninety dollars, but the cost their labor budget
(01:00:06):
divided by line workers actually working employed at the time
was ninety dollars an hour. That's an awful lot for
Schetty Cruz.
Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
What was they actually seeing when they wasn't seeing the ninety.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I don't know, depend on their contract to go back
and do the math. But I mean, you figure you're
paying in your salary, your assurance and your pension contributions,
and then some of that also is you have to
keep up payments for retirees and they're you know, what's
due to them. So yeah, it was like we got
very expensive for some of these companies. So that's that's
(01:00:48):
also part of it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
You know, shit just is irritating me. And I'm sure
somewhere along the line the American government. So I have
to find somebody that's in the politics and the history
of politics. I probably know the right person, but I
don't think they're up on business, but I know who
to ask. So America either had to start over taxing
(01:01:12):
people right in this country, like Peter saying, where certain
things will happen in the fifties and sixties. So I
don't know what happened first. Did the American government starts saying, okay,
we need to start getting more money out of you,
or did they realize it made more sense to go
out of the country and advantage the cheap labor or
did they happen somewhere at the same time simultaneously. What
(01:01:33):
do you mean then, what was the true motivation? We
have to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Well, what's the question? The questioner?
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
So like government, Like, let's say you own a GM factory,
your General Motors. You have a GM factory in Detroit
in nineteen fifties. What happens first is the American government saying, hey,
you know what, we need more money out of UGM
for this factory, or is it, hey, you know what,
we've been to China. There's a greater opportunity to make money.
(01:02:05):
What happened first?
Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
What happened was like that industry taxes really have come
down since Kennedy. I mean they've they've in general, there
have been you know, ebbs and flows, but in general
they've come down a lot, as far as the minutia
of exemptions and right off and whatever else. But in
general they've come down. But the total revenue of the
(01:02:27):
government has gone up because the economy has grown. So
a million times five is better than one hundred thousand
times ten. But they had again because we don't tear
iff like other countries. So you get not just like
(01:02:49):
what I was saying with there's a lot of unions
out there, you know, so that and that does manipulate
the job market. And that has been like the parasite
that killed the host in a lot of cases. It's
not a fake thing that happened. That started to those
(01:03:09):
chickens streed to come home to roost right around the
same time that the Chinese, that the Japanese automobile became
introduced to the marketplace. And you can't have a seismic
reassessment of consumer retail price expectation at the same time
(01:03:29):
that you're going to have to deal with a seismic
reconsideration of labor costs upward first downward. That's that is suicide.
Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
So you're saying like that, like the unions and stuff
helped make it easier for GM or somebody like that
to say well we'll go out the country.
Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Then hey, I would say made it easier, they made
it necessary. Oh okay, I mean it was kind of
like your only choice. It was like, well, we're not
going to continue to sell our cars at thirty five
K in nineteen eighty two, whatever the hell the price
would have been to have the same quality of car
when the camera's coming in and then Honda Accord is
(01:04:08):
coming in or whatever the hell, and they're selling them
at eight grand. There's probably was eighteen to eight reever
the hell the number one. We're gonna have to drive
the price of our Sedana way down. And I don't
think there's really enough corners to cut.
Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
And just the American people screw themselves.
Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
In some ways. Yeah, I mean, is it better if
you're a family of four to have one really nice
Chevy and Paula or two Honda Accords.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
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