May 12, 2025 • 35 mins
It’s all the news that’s fit to sip! In this episode of Talkin’ Coffee, S.E. shares the story of a confrontation she had recently that made her question everything! She asks her producers, Lauren and Derrick, and you all, to weigh in! In coffee news, there’s a sports and coffee crossover we didn’t know we needed, what we wouldn’t skimp on in this economy says a lot about us, and you wouldn’t believe what goes into McDonald’s coffee.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, welcome to Talking Coffeet Off the coup. I'm pleased
once again to be joined by my producers, Lauren and Derek.
Derek is fresh back from Japan. Yes, she was so.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Jealous, Miss Jellous, he missed you, and but.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And but I'm just so jealous of your trip.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It was.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It was a wonderful time. I'm totally in love with Japan.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I was curious about your coffee intake there.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, what was coffee like in Japan?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
There were there were machines all over the place, and
the vending machines gave you like cold beverages and hot
beverages and other kinds of things. I actually didn't get
a coffee from these machines, though I randomly got a
hot hot coco.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Did you have any coffee while you were there?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I did have coffee while I was there. Yeah, I
had coffee at like the hotels that I stayed at,
normal coffee shop, and I tasted.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Compared to your own homemade a big brew.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yes, well, you know, my standards are very high. No,
I had I had great coffee. I also we were
walking past a Starbucks and at one point I was like,
I just want to see if it smells the same.
And so we're like, I have walked in Starbucks real quill.
It smells exactly like a Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So funny for you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, it's good to have you back, and it's good
to be back talking about coffee. Yes, but before we
talk about coffee.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, So I.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Have a question I need to get answered and I'm
hoping you two can help me answer it. But I'm
also willing to have our listeners way in because I
need I need answers. This question has been gnawing at
me for the past week. The caveat is it has
nothing to do with coffee. Okay, I'm just here to
abuse my power at this platform. I have you and
(01:48):
a captive audience. So that's the caveat. This is not
a coffee related question.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's a natural progression because we've talked about coffee news,
and then we've talked about like coffee personal personal news
that relates to coffee, and now it's just going to
be something unrelated to coffee, which I'm totally Now we're.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Talking about our personal lives. No. I wish I could
find a hook to tie this to coffee, but it's okay,
And I wasn't going to do this, but I did
ask some friends this question, and my one friend who
has another podcast, was like, you need to ask, like
take it to the pod.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh my god, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, okay, okay, so let me set this up. Okay,
So last week I go to the premiere of Tucci
in Italy. Okay, yea, yeah, g o right, And it
was great and Stanley's amazing and the show is terrific
and I can't wait to watch. After the premiere, we
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all go to the after party at the Oak Room
at the Plaza and we've been to several of these
at the Plaza. They're great, tremendous food, great train, but
it's very crowded because everyone from a premiere comes, and
you know, you're sort of like shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, everyone's in their gowns and.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, right right. So I'm with my husband. I brought
my husband and we're sort of moving through a crowd
and we kind of stop in front of this couple,
a youngish looking woman and her gay bestie. She tells
us right away, okay, so they're not together, but they're together, okay,
(03:30):
and we're like, chit chatting, and I don't remember how
this came up, but I say in conversation, well, yeah,
something like well, I've got a ten year old at home,
so I know, et cetera. And she goes, wait, you
have a ten year old. You look amazing. Oh okay,
go on, what do you mean? She goes, you have
(03:53):
a ten year old? I said, yeah. She goes, you
look amazing. You just look amazing, and I'm again, I'm like,
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
How should I look?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Her friend goes. I think her friend was trying to
like get off the dangerous territory of wherever this was going.
And she's like, well, and I could see her trying
to think, and she goes, well, I don't know, I've
got a sixteen month at home, and I'm just so exhausted.
You look great.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Okay. We walk away. We ended the conversation nicely, ammicably,
but then we walk away and I.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Go to John.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I'm like, what what did that mean? He's like, I
have no idea. Do I look good for having a
ten year old? Because there's a few options here, okay,
and I'm not fishing. Okay, there's a few options here.
One is, wow, you look younger. You look too young
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to have a ten year old, which is insane. I'm
forty six. I'm in fact old to have a ten
year old. Okay, let's dismiss that one. But that's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It is. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Another possibility is I'm assuming you're much older. You're a
much older lady. Because you're standing here with your you know, husband,
with graying hair. I'm assuming you're much older than someone
who would have a ten year old.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, you only have a ten year old.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, you only have a ten year old. I assume
you'd have a grown whole. Last person, right, Okay, The
third being, I'm just amazed you look so great for
having a child. I have a child. We're all tired.
You look so put together. But I don't think ten
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is when you're like, oh wowried. You're not harried and
haggard with a ten year old. That's for like a
toddler or a baby.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So, and again this is not vanity. I don't really
even care. I'm just like, I need to know what
she meant. You look great for having a ten year old.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The person who asked, they they have it. They're the
ones with the sixteenth sixteen month old.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
She has a sixteen month old her gay bestie I
don't know, but she has a sixteen month old at home.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
My guess is like it's it's coming from a place
of being in her own world and almost like reflecting
something against you, like you look amazing is a fact,
but also may have nothing to do with you. It's
like she's like, you have a child, and you're not
like schlepping around. I don't know. Like to me, it
sounds like I'm in my own world of sixteen months
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and it's completely chaotic, which is kind of what that
period is, I guess, But yes, it is confusing.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yes, I think she meant you look surprisingly young for
having a ten year old, because I think people don't
realize how short a time ten years actually is. You know,
think about ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It wasn't that long ago, right, It feels like it anyway, right.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I think I think the especially if you maybe if
you have a new baby, you're like, oh, I ten years,
that's going to be forever, But it's like it's actually
not that long.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So maybe in her mind she thinking about herself, where
will I be in ten years? I'm going to be
so much older and I'm standing across from someone who
has a ten.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Year old, and she looks fantastic, normal. She does not
look like she's about to die any moment. We've been
in the grave with a ten year old. Yeah, exactly.
I think it's a mix of those two things. But
maybe our listeners have other ideas.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I mean, we had to psychologize deep to really something
that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Did you come up with something similar?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I couldn't come up with anything, Like, I couldn't come
up with anything, and my lovely colleagues were like, oh,
they definitely meant you look you look young, But I don't,
like that doesn't make any sense to me. I had
jack late, you know what I mean? Like I was
on the late.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
End technically geriatric at thirty five.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I had an actual geriatric pregnance as you thirty five,
So like it doesn't make any sense to me that
she'd be like, oh, you look twenty, how do you
have a ten year old? That's it, guys, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
The moral of the story. Don't comment on people, especially
with yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Because I'm not offended either way, But like it was enigmatic,
and it it really occupied space in my head for
like a full week.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Were you guys fans of Girls five ev oh. Yeah,
they did so many great musical moments about older moms
in New York. There was this one that was so
funny about like every every mom's an old mom in
New York and I'm like, I've never felt so seen that,
and like the Lonely New York Boy.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Also, yeah, the Lonely New York wer is one of
my favorites. Both a good one from that show. Lauren,
you also have like a ten year old tennis.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Year old my nine year olds turning ten in a
manner it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I was waiting for someone to acknowledge my decade. I
feel like my decade actually has aged me tremendously, and
my all my social media photos, which I don't update
at all, are actually from like my I don't want
to say, mid twenties. Yeah, so I am like a
different person than that, but well we'll keep it there.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, it's not that I don't think it's either of
your children. I think it is the last ten years,
the world events of the last ten years. It's all
of it.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
There's a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's all of it. And I have the great pleasure
of aging on camera for everyone.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
To say, I cannot imagine even just having to do
these little things where I see my face in the world.
I'm like, my god, it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's so terrifying.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm like, that's not what I look like in my head. Well,
this think I look like my Instagram picture was from
again years.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But the good news, the best. The good part of
aging on camera is like you have to get to
acceptance really fast because people are going to tell you
what they think of how you look, whether it's old lady, fat, gross, whatever,
they're gonna tell you.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So like, good for having a ten year old in
real time, real quick.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And sometimes the compliments also make you feel weird, like
you just like, for example, Illustrates, it's like sometimes a compliment,
it's like, wait, what are you saying I should look like?
Or what what are you? What are you saying? You're
surprised by it. It is a little disconcerted.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, you can't really take anything at Facebook.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I try not to read too much into it, but
this one was really a puzzle. So thank you. I'm glad.
I think I think we got to a conclusion. Well
at least when I'm I'm a little satisfied with, but
I'd love to hear from folks at off thecop at
gmail dot com if you have other interpretations or a
similar experience where someone has said something like this to
you and you're like what wait what was it a compliment? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Well, and I do think there is a connection to coffee,
which is, you know, parenting I imagine makes you feel
real tired and in the morning you get up, yes,
and you have your coffee to wake you up.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So and to have them a moment, even though it's
shared publicly with people, I do feel like that it's
a nice ritualistic moment where you taste your coffee and
you're like, this is at least for me.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, speaking of this is a great segue into coffee news.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I read this great story at delish dot com which
is like, you know, a food hub recipes and food
criticism and restaurants, et cetera. So this writer polled people
at her offices at Delish dot com asking them, with
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a looming recession, if we're looking at a recession, what
are things you are not willing to give up in
the food drinks space, And not surprisingly, coffee was like
the number one nice or some version of coffee is
the number one answer. But I thought, I'm gonna read
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some of these answers because I they're really interesting answers,
and then I want to know what you guys would say.
So one person said, I won't give up getting my
groceries delivered. I can't do it. My kid is going
through multiple gallons of milk a week right now, and
it's still cheaper to get it delivered from all these
than to shop at my local store. Wow, grocery delivery.
(12:37):
Mama needs a steak sometimes and ordering nice coffee out nice.
This is a person I should be friends with. Yeah,
an Espresso pods, the double Shot Espressocrid. I could settle
for drip coffee, but I just don't want to. These
would be my second purchase after rent.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Dedicated.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Okay, coffee beans from a small batch coffee roaster are
the luxury I will never give up, no matter how
expensive they get. Next person, my immediate thought is good coffee.
The beans I buy are like eighteen dollars a pound,
and I'm not giving them up. Wow, next person, I
get a window into a life without a good chef's knife.
Whenever I cook at a friend's house or an airbnb.
(13:17):
It's a life I don't want to live. So if
I love that knife, another person said nut butters, especially
cashew butter, I'm just sacrifice. I'm not willing to make.
I hear that Chobani extra creamy oat milk is another one, eggs.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's all meant to be food related.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
This is all food drink space. Yeah, this is not Yeah,
this is for lish dot com. I will never sacrifice
my macho lattes. And then someone said tacos doggos. Yeah, yes, same.
But I mean, I couldn't even imagine a word like
coffee would never make the list of things like what
are we willing to skim bond?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's not even on the chopping block.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It wouldn't be on the charge.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
It feels like a necessity does well, it isn't this.
I guess. I guess if I had to go without
in the way that I could not buy it for
me and my family and my home, I guess I
would go to the office more and get the free
coffee there.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh that's a hack.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
But that would suck. That would suck. So it would
suck hard because it's not as good. This is absolutely
not as good. I felt bad giving it to Michael
Chicklis the other day.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Right, but now you're spending money to go get it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And then I'm I'm spending forty five minutes too, like
for that cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh terrible, that's it that we don't want that life.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
No, no, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
What about you, Derek?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I agree with the response that said the the the
expensive beans, mostly because as an ex Mormon, there aren't
that many ways I know how to make coffee. So
I feel like if I had to change change it,
I know I have my system. I know how to
do it. Yes, I don't know how to do anything.
I can't like buy ground beans right, and we can't.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Fast track at this point. No, you're committed.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, so you can't go from elite coffee making at
home yea to the cup from the cart down the street.
Like you can't go.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Because you wouldn't want to, and also because I don't
know him.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
My husband and I did have this conversation about like
we have this coffee maker, we have these we got
these nice beans delivered, and he's like, I don't even
like going out to coffee anymore. I prefer our coffee.
And I was like, that's a bold statement. Wow. Yeah,
I still like going out to coffee, but so do I.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And you know, my husband and is dunk and run
like that's part of his life as well. It's part
of his day, right, But no, I feel like if
you figured out the math of making coffee at home
and and you love it, and it's great, Like problem solved, Yeah,
problem solved.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
What could your answer be?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh? Oh what I skimp on? I mean there's a lot.
There's a lot we could live without in this house, okay,
Like the snacks we buy, Oh my god, just the
variety of the amounts. I feel like we I mean,
(16:10):
we could use an extra storage room just for the snacks.
Like we can skimp on a lot and be fine.
But no one's coming for my coffee. That would that
would for sure be the last thing. It wouldn't even
be on the list. Like we said, it's not for
the taking. Yeah, lock and key.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So, speaking of shitty coffee, people love and I'm not
calling this shitty coffee, but like people love McDonald's coffee.
It has I feel like their iced coffee, ice coffee.
I do. I have some data, but I've had their
ice coffee. My problem with their ice coffee is they
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put sweetener and creamer in it automatically. You have to
ask for it without.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Oh that's a shame, and I don't like it without.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But I also don't like what they do to it. Yeah,
do you know what I mean? Like it becomes almost
like a I don't know, like a syrupy anyway, not
a drink that I want. But I am the minority.
Apparently the McDonald's coffee has a huge cult following, and
(17:20):
so they've done someone did like an investigative piece probing
what makes the McDonald's coffee so good and so beloved
and in fact it's intentional McDonald's. A McDonald's chef just
revealed that including a proprietary medium dark roast made from
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one hundred percent Arabic of beans, there's also sustainable sourcing,
on site grinding, and precise brewing techniques, including Japanese flash
brewing for iced coffee.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Wow, I'm really impressed, aren't you. I'm a little skeptical,
to be honest, but I mean they're not going to
flat out lot.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
No, I mean that's a lot for McDonald's coffee.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And I think it's still quite affordable.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I think it is affordable. And I think when they
did the mcafe thing, they decided to be make coffee
very good and not just a crappy cup of fast
food coffee. Ye, so I think there was this time
when they decided to do this. But I mean they
they cite like Reddit threads proclaiming McDonald's one dollar large
(18:27):
cup of McCafe is the best coffee you can get.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Okay, well, this is another taste testing opportunity.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I think we should.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, we should get the corner guy. I really do
like our corner guy near iHeart offices. Yes, McCafe or
whatever it is. And then I don't know what would
be a third or terrible office coffee.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I mean, should we put duncan in the mix here?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Oh yeah, just to see how it measures up.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's icy.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I'm very surprised by this news. I am a big fan.
I must admit of McDonald's breakfast fee. It's my favorite
thing at McDonald's, McMuffin or whenever. I Whenever I buy it, though,
I always opt to not like to have orange juice
or something, because I just assume the coffee is going
to be bad.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Don't assume this is now making. I mean this is
food and wine doing. This story fascinating and it says
the biggest secret is you literally can't get McDonald's blend
anywhere else because they blend it themselves. And it's a
simple traditional hot brew for hot coffee and a Japanese
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iced coffee brew method for iced coffee. We pay attention
to the details while we brew, from the quality of
our roast, in selection of our beans, to the equipment
we use. The Japanese iced coffee flash brewing involves using
a typical ratio of water to coffee, but with a
portion of that water being ice. You then put the
ice under the dripper of a pour over and heat
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the remaining water to brewing temperature, using it as you
would in a typical pour over, only this time you're
creating a coffee concentrate. So basically you're making a typical
hot coffee that is quickly cooled to bring out all
of its full flavors. Mean you believe they put that
much work into coffee.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And McDonald's, Yeah, it's a lot of work. It sounds
like it would just be more expensive. I have a
related adorable McDonald's coffee story in that. Yes, my father
in law has uh oh no, now I'm forgetting what
he calls it, but coffee time. Oh shoot, it'll come
to me. But he and his coffee time. He has
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all these friends who are in their eighties, you know,
around there, and they all meet at McDonald's because it's
the cheapest cup of coffee and so they sit around
for an hour and solve the world's problems. It's like
the cutest, I love, lovely social event and it isn't
takes place in McDonald's. They did shop around, like they
did try out their places, but the McDonald's now they
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know the people there. They let them stay for as
long as they want. And it continues to be especially
with the senior discount the cheapest cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
For that. My uncle has the same. My uncle, it's
probably eighty or so in Arizona for the past like
thirty years, he meets every morning at the gas station
and they have gas station coffee. Oh, with this little
group of guys. Huh, and they talk politics. Yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
They just stay at the gas station.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
They could.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, there's their Arizona gas stations are like oh I
definitely want to sleep in one, like really nice and
like giant, you know, and so there's places to sit
and yeah, yeah, so they have their spot and you know,
I love this.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I want to find more coffee clubs. Ooh, that's another
call up. Does anyone have any other club older coffee
club situations. I want to find them and interview all
these people. I've always loved this idea. I don't know,
it's cute.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, this is a great segue to my next coffee story,
secret coffee party. Have you heard of this? No go
on secret coffee party. This is a growing event. They've
had a few in Denver. I don't know if it's expanding.
But this was like a COVID era thing where the
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founder of this secret coffee party he started DJing during
COVID and he was inspired to get a party together.
But not for like clubbing and drinking and that scene,
but the same vibe for coffee. Ooh okay. So like
saying I'm a really big fan of music. I think
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a lot of us are, but we're tired of going
out to nightclubs and thinking that's the only way to
experience a musical event. He said, I lived in Touloom
for quite a while and I DJ'd out there, and
that's the kind of sound I'm into. I'm trying to
bring that kind of flavor into it and put my
own twist on it by incorporating performers like a saxophone,
someone on drums, some kind of show with coffee. And
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just two weeks after it was introduced, Secret Coffee Party
had over five thousand followers on social media. Ooh, two
hundred and fifty people registered for the inaugural event, and
there have been several sins and they are a huge,
huge hit. And it's like a pop up so it
changes oh fun locations, and you have to know where
it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
But it's just for it's for coffee.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Is it? So it's in the morning.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, I don't know what time of day is. That's
a good guess. Part of the secret it says it's
a club in a coffee shop, good coffee, good house music,
and a good time. I mean, I don't think you'd
want to do this at night with coffee. I think
you'd want to do it during the day. But I don't.
I don't really know, but that sounds really fun.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
So wait es Sie, didn't you have another story on
a previous episode about a DJ related to coffee.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So this was a thing they were trying in Austin, Texas.
Right where they were trying, they were bringing house DJs
into coffee shops so that when you went to go
get your car, there was sort of a club vibe. Yeah,
as you were in there and we were we were
talking about whether we want that vibe at a coffee shop.
But this is a little different. This is like a
moving party.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
The should I feel like they should they should get
together though, I feel like they would make friends.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah. Well, I think it's a really cute idea, very cute.
And you know a lot of people are like quitting
drinking or they're sober curious and they're just doing different
things for entertainment.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, you know, which just used.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
To revolve around alcohol so much, and they're just everyone's
finding different things that aren't so attached to drinking.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Which, yeah, that's great. Yeah, I like the experimentation too.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Okay, what do you think is the best time of
day to drink coffee for health benefits?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You mean everybody's day, not just like when I get
up and like an hour after I get up kind
of Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So this is for the average person who works standard
business hours.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I feel like the answer is going to be like
when you least want to. It's gonna be like two pm.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You can't drink coffee till.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Two wait as long as possible. Yeah, I would guess
like an hour after you got up, like seven am.
I don't know, eight am.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I wish that were true. Oh god, yeah, because I
want to ride away. Yeah, yeah, immediately, it's not. It's
not true.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
The folders commercials have trained us all. You know, the
smell of coffee, best part in your cup, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The best power to wake it up? Yeah. No. Now, apparently,
according to a board certified sleep medicine doctor, chief medical
advisor of Sleepopolis, that's the thing. The best time to
drink coffee is in the mid to late morning, usually
nine thirty to eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, disappointing, which is it?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Two?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It isn't when I want it. I want it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I feel like by that point I would start to
get a headache. You know, I'd be like a caffeine.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Withdrawal because you need it, I know. But it apparently
it can give you the boost you need to get
through the mid morning slump. Caffeine improves your cognitive function
as you start the day, enhances exercise performance before a
morning workout. But so if that's true, why am I
having it at nine thirty my warning work as it
would be at like six or seven.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I like my second cup of coffee around ten ten thirty,
So I'll just ignore right the rest.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Of it, right, I don't Apparently it's better for heart
health to have it before noon, but after nine and
definitely it says. I mean, there are studies suggesting people
who drink coffee between four am and twelve pm or
sixteen percent less likely to die from any cause compared
to people who didn't drink coffee, and thirty one percent
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less likely to develop heart disease. I can't keep up
with all of these recommendations. Yeah, but there is one
for sure consensus that you should not have coffee five
to six hours before sleep.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yes, I mean a long that's a long time it is, Yeah,
but that makes sense to me. I mean, like before dinner.
I don't really want coffee before that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I don't either remember like that post dinner cup of
coffee or that post dinner espresso or something like. If
I'm at a restaurant, I love ordering, do.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You I always feel like I'm full, Like I don't.
I've never had post dinner coffee for another beverage.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't. I don't have much coffee at that time.
But sometimes I have to do a show at like
ten pm. Oh yeah, caffee, I must, I must caffeinate.
But the shitty part is after the show, I want
to go right to bed. I'm up, I know, and
it's not mess a caffeine. It's TV and just being
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like on. So it really it's it's tough to do
it that late, but sometimes I have to.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Okay, I don't know much about basketball players these days.
I just don't follow it as much as I used to.
But uh, there is a basketball player from the Golden
State Warriors named Jimmy Butler. I think he's a big
I think he's a big deal. I don't know he
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he has what is apparently one of the best coffee brands.
He has his own that, like experts have decided, is
super super good and like up there with Competits Coffee
okay and McDonald's okay. McDonald's apparently, but listen to how
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this started. This is amazing. So he was a big
coffee fan and coffee drinker. And when COVID happened again,
the NBA bubble happened. Do you remember this, where like
the NBA all went to like, in his case, the
Walt Disney World Hotel and they all just stayed in
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there for the whole season. That's and like didn't go
in and out. And he started operating a makeshift coffee shop.
Oh I love his hotel room inside the bubble. It
was a cash only shop. It had a menu of
everything from lattes to pourovers, with the drink costing twenty
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dollars a pop. No IOUs allowed. Oh my god, you
had to pay. So the Onyx coffee lab got wind
of this and tried to get in touch with him
because they were like, this is amazing and we want
to be in the Jimmy Butler coffee business. They didn't.
They weren't able to reach him, but another coffee collaborator,
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Brand Intelligentsia Oh Yes, reached Jimmy Butler Lucky them, and
he reached out to Onyx. So the three of them
worked together to come up with big Face coffee Big Face,
and it is like it intense, like he is an
expert in the coffee. Wow. He ended up poaching the
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director of Intelligentsia to serve as the CEO of his
new company and bringing the Onyx team on as partners
to help with sourcing, roasting, and distribution. And the coffee
experts there said he is in the industry. He uses
a Lamarzico LINEA mini as his travel machine, a three
group Lamrazico lev at his home in San Diego. These
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machines sell for five thousand to thirty five thousand dollars. WHOA,
And they say he is a student. He is very
interested in humble it's so cool to be around. And
they say experts say this is an incredible cup of coffee.
Now Blen sell online Big Face for thirty dollars for
an eight point eight ounce bag. WHOA very expensive. They
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they know that they agree it is expensive. They want
to be a high price point coffee. Miami coffee shop
Jimmy Butler has a flight of three coffees sells for
one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
What this is crazy?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I'm so confused by all this.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Though. I mean, I'm not usually one to be drawn
to like a celebrity brand because it's a celebrity. Yeah,
but this sounds like a celebrity. He looked like, knows
what he's doing. Didn't just slap his name on something. Yeah,
this came together like organically. It sounded like it came
interest from him. But I'm confused about the Walt Disney hotel.
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So was he like, like what bean? Doesn't it matter
what beans you're using? So like you get nobody else's beans.
And then I don't know if he ordered beans to
the to the's never gonna tell. I don't know, but
I mean his interest in coffee yeah got him this
coffee deal. Yeah, and he's apparently very hands on, and
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I want to try big face.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I mean, for sure, the.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Beans are sourced directly from the Animal Kingdom, the natural
habitat they just like. And then he roasted it there. Yeah, exactly,
another big tree.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I do feel like I think we should push him
because surely he's listening if he's a coffee fan. Yeah,
to bring uh, get an option for the people, you know,
for the masses. Yeah, I want a regular coffee price point,
not a thirty dollars one.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I'm I'm getting the feeling. This is like an experience,
but I would love to try it. Apparently his shop
is in Miami and you can order them online. Maybe
I will, yeah, and make us all a cup of
big face coffee.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
My god, I'm so intrigued.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Taste tested. Yeah, this is apparently what we do now.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, or taste a lot of taste testing. I like it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I like it well, and you tell me there's an
expensive bag of beans, I'm like, oh, where can I
get it?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah? Tell me more. What we should be recreating is
the se cup lab. I think if you throw lab
at the end of anything, it's now a scientific adventure
and we will taste test anything that comes to a science.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Sure, coffee lab. I love it. I love you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Should change your title talking coffee lab.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, that's all the news that's fit to set.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And now I know a basketball name I can throw around,
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But you sound very well informed.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Have you seen Jimmy Butler? Have you seen him?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
You've seen him?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Have you sipped his coffee?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And have you?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
So?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Thanks everybody, and as always, please write in to off
the Cup at gmail dot com. Coup with two p's
just like the podcast with your controversial coffee takes, your
unpopular opinions, your coffe related news or stories, and whether
I look amazing for having a ten year old and
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what do you think that means you're welcoming particular episode
tack my question.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
On Oh, and I wanted to correct our lovely call
in right in person. I was calling her Ava, it's Eva, Eva, Okay,
you actually said, and I was like, no, I'm pretty
sure it's Eva okay, Diva.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, Eva write us back. We want to hear more.
All right, Thanks guys, We'll see you next time on
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Hey, welcome to Talking Coffeet Off the coup. I'm pleased
once again to be joined by my producers, Lauren and Derek.
Derek is fresh back from Japan. Yes, she was so.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Jealous, Miss Jellous, he missed you, and but.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And but I'm just so jealous of your trip.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It was.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It was a wonderful time. I'm totally in love with Japan.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I was curious about your coffee intake there.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, what was coffee like in Japan?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
There were there were machines all over the place, and
the vending machines gave you like cold beverages and hot
beverages and other kinds of things. I actually didn't get
a coffee from these machines, though I randomly got a
hot hot coco.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Did you have any coffee while you were there?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I did have coffee while I was there. Yeah, I
had coffee at like the hotels that I stayed at,
normal coffee shop, and I tasted.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Compared to your own homemade a big brew.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yes, well, you know, my standards are very high. No,
I had I had great coffee. I also we were
walking past a Starbucks and at one point I was like,
I just want to see if it smells the same.
And so we're like, I have walked in Starbucks real quill.
It smells exactly like a Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So funny for you.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, it's good to have you back, and it's good
to be back talking about coffee. Yes, but before we
talk about coffee.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, So I.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Have a question I need to get answered and I'm
hoping you two can help me answer it. But I'm
also willing to have our listeners way in because I
need I need answers. This question has been gnawing at
me for the past week. The caveat is it has
nothing to do with coffee. Okay, I'm just here to
abuse my power at this platform. I have you and
(01:48):
a captive audience. So that's the caveat. This is not
a coffee related question.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's a natural progression because we've talked about coffee news,
and then we've talked about like coffee personal personal news
that relates to coffee, and now it's just going to
be something unrelated to coffee, which I'm totally Now we're.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Talking about our personal lives. No. I wish I could
find a hook to tie this to coffee, but it's okay,
And I wasn't going to do this, but I did
ask some friends this question, and my one friend who
has another podcast, was like, you need to ask, like
take it to the pod.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh my god, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, okay, okay, so let me set this up. Okay,
So last week I go to the premiere of Tucci
in Italy. Okay, yea, yeah, g o right, And it
was great and Stanley's amazing and the show is terrific
and I can't wait to watch. After the premiere, we
(02:49):
all go to the after party at the Oak Room
at the Plaza and we've been to several of these
at the Plaza. They're great, tremendous food, great train, but
it's very crowded because everyone from a premiere comes, and
you know, you're sort of like shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, everyone's in their gowns and.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, right right. So I'm with my husband. I brought
my husband and we're sort of moving through a crowd
and we kind of stop in front of this couple,
a youngish looking woman and her gay bestie. She tells
us right away, okay, so they're not together, but they're together, okay,
(03:30):
and we're like, chit chatting, and I don't remember how
this came up, but I say in conversation, well, yeah,
something like well, I've got a ten year old at home,
so I know, et cetera. And she goes, wait, you
have a ten year old. You look amazing. Oh okay,
go on, what do you mean? She goes, you have
(03:53):
a ten year old? I said, yeah. She goes, you
look amazing. You just look amazing, and I'm again, I'm like,
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
How should I look?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Her friend goes. I think her friend was trying to
like get off the dangerous territory of wherever this was going.
And she's like, well, and I could see her trying
to think, and she goes, well, I don't know, I've
got a sixteen month at home, and I'm just so exhausted.
You look great.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Okay. We walk away. We ended the conversation nicely, ammicably,
but then we walk away and I.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Go to John.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I'm like, what what did that mean? He's like, I
have no idea. Do I look good for having a
ten year old? Because there's a few options here, okay,
and I'm not fishing. Okay, there's a few options here.
One is, wow, you look younger. You look too young
(04:55):
to have a ten year old, which is insane. I'm
forty six. I'm in fact old to have a ten
year old. Okay, let's dismiss that one. But that's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It is. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Another possibility is I'm assuming you're much older. You're a
much older lady. Because you're standing here with your you know, husband,
with graying hair. I'm assuming you're much older than someone
who would have a ten year old.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, you only have a ten year old.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, you only have a ten year old. I assume
you'd have a grown whole. Last person, right, Okay, The
third being, I'm just amazed you look so great for
having a child. I have a child. We're all tired.
You look so put together. But I don't think ten
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is when you're like, oh wowried. You're not harried and
haggard with a ten year old. That's for like a
toddler or a baby.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So, and again this is not vanity. I don't really
even care. I'm just like, I need to know what
she meant. You look great for having a ten year old.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
The person who asked, they they have it. They're the
ones with the sixteenth sixteen month old.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
She has a sixteen month old her gay bestie I
don't know, but she has a sixteen month old at home.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
My guess is like it's it's coming from a place
of being in her own world and almost like reflecting
something against you, like you look amazing is a fact,
but also may have nothing to do with you. It's
like she's like, you have a child, and you're not
like schlepping around. I don't know. Like to me, it
sounds like I'm in my own world of sixteen months
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and it's completely chaotic, which is kind of what that
period is, I guess, But yes, it is confusing.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yes, I think she meant you look surprisingly young for
having a ten year old, because I think people don't
realize how short a time ten years actually is. You know,
think about ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It wasn't that long ago, right, It feels like it anyway, right.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I think I think the especially if you maybe if
you have a new baby, you're like, oh, I ten years,
that's going to be forever, But it's like it's actually
not that long.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So maybe in her mind she thinking about herself, where
will I be in ten years? I'm going to be
so much older and I'm standing across from someone who
has a ten.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Year old, and she looks fantastic, normal. She does not
look like she's about to die any moment. We've been
in the grave with a ten year old. Yeah, exactly.
I think it's a mix of those two things. But
maybe our listeners have other ideas.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I mean, we had to psychologize deep to really something
that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Did you come up with something similar?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I couldn't come up with anything, Like, I couldn't come
up with anything, and my lovely colleagues were like, oh,
they definitely meant you look you look young, But I don't,
like that doesn't make any sense to me. I had
jack late, you know what I mean? Like I was
on the late.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
End technically geriatric at thirty five.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I had an actual geriatric pregnance as you thirty five,
So like it doesn't make any sense to me that
she'd be like, oh, you look twenty, how do you
have a ten year old? That's it, guys, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
The moral of the story. Don't comment on people, especially
with yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Because I'm not offended either way, But like it was enigmatic,
and it it really occupied space in my head for
like a full week.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Were you guys fans of Girls five ev oh. Yeah,
they did so many great musical moments about older moms
in New York. There was this one that was so
funny about like every every mom's an old mom in
New York and I'm like, I've never felt so seen that,
and like the Lonely New York Boy.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Also, yeah, the Lonely New York wer is one of
my favorites. Both a good one from that show. Lauren,
you also have like a ten year old tennis.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Year old my nine year olds turning ten in a
manner it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I was waiting for someone to acknowledge my decade. I
feel like my decade actually has aged me tremendously, and
my all my social media photos, which I don't update
at all, are actually from like my I don't want
to say, mid twenties. Yeah, so I am like a
different person than that, but well we'll keep it there.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, it's not that I don't think it's either of
your children. I think it is the last ten years,
the world events of the last ten years. It's all
of it.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
There's a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's all of it. And I have the great pleasure
of aging on camera for everyone.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
To say, I cannot imagine even just having to do
these little things where I see my face in the world.
I'm like, my god, it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's so terrifying.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm like, that's not what I look like in my head. Well,
this think I look like my Instagram picture was from
again years.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But the good news, the best. The good part of
aging on camera is like you have to get to
acceptance really fast because people are going to tell you
what they think of how you look, whether it's old lady, fat, gross, whatever,
they're gonna tell you.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So like, good for having a ten year old in
real time, real quick.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And sometimes the compliments also make you feel weird, like
you just like, for example, Illustrates, it's like sometimes a compliment,
it's like, wait, what are you saying I should look like?
Or what what are you? What are you saying? You're
surprised by it. It is a little disconcerted.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, you can't really take anything at Facebook.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I try not to read too much into it, but
this one was really a puzzle. So thank you. I'm glad.
I think I think we got to a conclusion. Well
at least when I'm I'm a little satisfied with, but
I'd love to hear from folks at off thecop at
gmail dot com if you have other interpretations or a
similar experience where someone has said something like this to
you and you're like what wait what was it a compliment? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Well, and I do think there is a connection to coffee,
which is, you know, parenting I imagine makes you feel
real tired and in the morning you get up, yes,
and you have your coffee to wake you up.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So and to have them a moment, even though it's
shared publicly with people, I do feel like that it's
a nice ritualistic moment where you taste your coffee and
you're like, this is at least for me.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, speaking of this is a great segue into coffee news.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I read this great story at delish dot com which
is like, you know, a food hub recipes and food
criticism and restaurants, et cetera. So this writer polled people
at her offices at Delish dot com asking them, with
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a looming recession, if we're looking at a recession, what
are things you are not willing to give up in
the food drinks space, And not surprisingly, coffee was like
the number one nice or some version of coffee is
the number one answer. But I thought, I'm gonna read
(12:13):
some of these answers because I they're really interesting answers,
and then I want to know what you guys would say.
So one person said, I won't give up getting my
groceries delivered. I can't do it. My kid is going
through multiple gallons of milk a week right now, and
it's still cheaper to get it delivered from all these
than to shop at my local store. Wow, grocery delivery.
(12:37):
Mama needs a steak sometimes and ordering nice coffee out nice.
This is a person I should be friends with. Yeah,
an Espresso pods, the double Shot Espressocrid. I could settle
for drip coffee, but I just don't want to. These
would be my second purchase after rent.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Dedicated.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Okay, coffee beans from a small batch coffee roaster are
the luxury I will never give up, no matter how
expensive they get. Next person, my immediate thought is good coffee.
The beans I buy are like eighteen dollars a pound,
and I'm not giving them up. Wow, next person, I
get a window into a life without a good chef's knife.
Whenever I cook at a friend's house or an airbnb.
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It's a life I don't want to live. So if
I love that knife, another person said nut butters, especially
cashew butter, I'm just sacrifice. I'm not willing to make.
I hear that Chobani extra creamy oat milk is another one, eggs.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's all meant to be food related.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
This is all food drink space. Yeah, this is not Yeah,
this is for lish dot com. I will never sacrifice
my macho lattes. And then someone said tacos doggos. Yeah, yes, same.
But I mean, I couldn't even imagine a word like
coffee would never make the list of things like what
are we willing to skim bond?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's not even on the chopping block.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It wouldn't be on the charge.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
It feels like a necessity does well, it isn't this.
I guess. I guess if I had to go without
in the way that I could not buy it for
me and my family and my home, I guess I
would go to the office more and get the free
coffee there.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh that's a hack.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
But that would suck. That would suck. So it would
suck hard because it's not as good. This is absolutely
not as good. I felt bad giving it to Michael
Chicklis the other day.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Right, but now you're spending money to go get it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And then I'm I'm spending forty five minutes too, like
for that cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Oh terrible, that's it that we don't want that life.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
No, no, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
What about you, Derek?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I agree with the response that said the the the
expensive beans, mostly because as an ex Mormon, there aren't
that many ways I know how to make coffee. So
I feel like if I had to change change it,
I know I have my system. I know how to
do it. Yes, I don't know how to do anything.
I can't like buy ground beans right, and we can't.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Fast track at this point. No, you're committed.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, so you can't go from elite coffee making at
home yea to the cup from the cart down the street.
Like you can't go.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Because you wouldn't want to, and also because I don't
know him.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
My husband and I did have this conversation about like
we have this coffee maker, we have these we got
these nice beans delivered, and he's like, I don't even
like going out to coffee anymore. I prefer our coffee.
And I was like, that's a bold statement. Wow. Yeah,
I still like going out to coffee, but so do I.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And you know, my husband and is dunk and run
like that's part of his life as well. It's part
of his day, right, But no, I feel like if
you figured out the math of making coffee at home
and and you love it, and it's great, Like problem solved, Yeah,
problem solved.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
What could your answer be?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh? Oh what I skimp on? I mean there's a lot.
There's a lot we could live without in this house, okay,
Like the snacks we buy, Oh my god, just the
variety of the amounts. I feel like we I mean,
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we could use an extra storage room just for the snacks.
Like we can skimp on a lot and be fine.
But no one's coming for my coffee. That would that
would for sure be the last thing. It wouldn't even
be on the list. Like we said, it's not for
the taking. Yeah, lock and key.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So, speaking of shitty coffee, people love and I'm not
calling this shitty coffee, but like people love McDonald's coffee.
It has I feel like their iced coffee, ice coffee.
I do. I have some data, but I've had their
ice coffee. My problem with their ice coffee is they
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put sweetener and creamer in it automatically. You have to
ask for it without.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Oh that's a shame, and I don't like it without.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But I also don't like what they do to it. Yeah,
do you know what I mean? Like it becomes almost
like a I don't know, like a syrupy anyway, not
a drink that I want. But I am the minority.
Apparently the McDonald's coffee has a huge cult following, and
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so they've done someone did like an investigative piece probing
what makes the McDonald's coffee so good and so beloved
and in fact it's intentional McDonald's. A McDonald's chef just
revealed that including a proprietary medium dark roast made from
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one hundred percent Arabic of beans, there's also sustainable sourcing,
on site grinding, and precise brewing techniques, including Japanese flash
brewing for iced coffee.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Wow, I'm really impressed, aren't you. I'm a little skeptical,
to be honest, but I mean they're not going to
flat out lot.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
No, I mean that's a lot for McDonald's coffee.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And I think it's still quite affordable.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I think it is affordable. And I think when they
did the mcafe thing, they decided to be make coffee
very good and not just a crappy cup of fast
food coffee. Ye, so I think there was this time
when they decided to do this. But I mean they
they cite like Reddit threads proclaiming McDonald's one dollar large
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cup of McCafe is the best coffee you can get.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Okay, well, this is another taste testing opportunity.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I think we should.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, we should get the corner guy. I really do
like our corner guy near iHeart offices. Yes, McCafe or
whatever it is. And then I don't know what would
be a third or terrible office coffee.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I mean, should we put duncan in the mix here?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Oh yeah, just to see how it measures up.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's icy.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I'm very surprised by this news. I am a big fan.
I must admit of McDonald's breakfast fee. It's my favorite
thing at McDonald's, McMuffin or whenever. I Whenever I buy it, though,
I always opt to not like to have orange juice
or something, because I just assume the coffee is going
to be bad.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Don't assume this is now making. I mean this is
food and wine doing. This story fascinating and it says
the biggest secret is you literally can't get McDonald's blend
anywhere else because they blend it themselves. And it's a
simple traditional hot brew for hot coffee and a Japanese
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iced coffee brew method for iced coffee. We pay attention
to the details while we brew, from the quality of
our roast, in selection of our beans, to the equipment
we use. The Japanese iced coffee flash brewing involves using
a typical ratio of water to coffee, but with a
portion of that water being ice. You then put the
ice under the dripper of a pour over and heat
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the remaining water to brewing temperature, using it as you
would in a typical pour over, only this time you're
creating a coffee concentrate. So basically you're making a typical
hot coffee that is quickly cooled to bring out all
of its full flavors. Mean you believe they put that
much work into coffee.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
And McDonald's, Yeah, it's a lot of work. It sounds
like it would just be more expensive. I have a
related adorable McDonald's coffee story in that. Yes, my father
in law has uh oh no, now I'm forgetting what
he calls it, but coffee time. Oh shoot, it'll come
to me. But he and his coffee time. He has
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all these friends who are in their eighties, you know,
around there, and they all meet at McDonald's because it's
the cheapest cup of coffee and so they sit around
for an hour and solve the world's problems. It's like
the cutest, I love, lovely social event and it isn't
takes place in McDonald's. They did shop around, like they
did try out their places, but the McDonald's now they
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know the people there. They let them stay for as
long as they want. And it continues to be especially
with the senior discount the cheapest cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
For that. My uncle has the same. My uncle, it's
probably eighty or so in Arizona for the past like
thirty years, he meets every morning at the gas station
and they have gas station coffee. Oh, with this little
group of guys. Huh, and they talk politics. Yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
They just stay at the gas station.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
They could.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, there's their Arizona gas stations are like oh I
definitely want to sleep in one, like really nice and
like giant, you know, and so there's places to sit
and yeah, yeah, so they have their spot and you know,
I love this.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I want to find more coffee clubs. Ooh, that's another
call up. Does anyone have any other club older coffee
club situations. I want to find them and interview all
these people. I've always loved this idea. I don't know,
it's cute.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Well, this is a great segue to my next coffee story,
secret coffee party. Have you heard of this? No go
on secret coffee party. This is a growing event. They've
had a few in Denver. I don't know if it's expanding.
But this was like a COVID era thing where the
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founder of this secret coffee party he started DJing during
COVID and he was inspired to get a party together.
But not for like clubbing and drinking and that scene,
but the same vibe for coffee. Ooh okay. So like
saying I'm a really big fan of music. I think
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a lot of us are, but we're tired of going
out to nightclubs and thinking that's the only way to
experience a musical event. He said, I lived in Touloom
for quite a while and I DJ'd out there, and
that's the kind of sound I'm into. I'm trying to
bring that kind of flavor into it and put my
own twist on it by incorporating performers like a saxophone,
someone on drums, some kind of show with coffee. And
(23:01):
just two weeks after it was introduced, Secret Coffee Party
had over five thousand followers on social media. Ooh, two
hundred and fifty people registered for the inaugural event, and
there have been several sins and they are a huge,
huge hit. And it's like a pop up so it
changes oh fun locations, and you have to know where
it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
But it's just for it's for coffee.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Is it? So it's in the morning.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, I don't know what time of day is. That's
a good guess. Part of the secret it says it's
a club in a coffee shop, good coffee, good house music,
and a good time. I mean, I don't think you'd
want to do this at night with coffee. I think
you'd want to do it during the day. But I don't.
I don't really know, but that sounds really fun.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
So wait es Sie, didn't you have another story on
a previous episode about a DJ related to coffee.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So this was a thing they were trying in Austin, Texas.
Right where they were trying, they were bringing house DJs
into coffee shops so that when you went to go
get your car, there was sort of a club vibe. Yeah,
as you were in there and we were we were
talking about whether we want that vibe at a coffee shop.
But this is a little different. This is like a
moving party.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
The should I feel like they should they should get
together though, I feel like they would make friends.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah. Well, I think it's a really cute idea, very cute.
And you know a lot of people are like quitting
drinking or they're sober curious and they're just doing different
things for entertainment.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, you know, which just used.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
To revolve around alcohol so much, and they're just everyone's
finding different things that aren't so attached to drinking.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Which, yeah, that's great. Yeah, I like the experimentation too.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Okay, what do you think is the best time of
day to drink coffee for health benefits?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You mean everybody's day, not just like when I get
up and like an hour after I get up kind
of Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So this is for the average person who works standard
business hours.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I feel like the answer is going to be like
when you least want to. It's gonna be like two pm.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
You can't drink coffee till.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Two wait as long as possible. Yeah, I would guess
like an hour after you got up, like seven am.
I don't know, eight am.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I wish that were true. Oh god, yeah, because I
want to ride away. Yeah, yeah, immediately, it's not. It's
not true.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
The folders commercials have trained us all. You know, the
smell of coffee, best part in your cup, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The best power to wake it up? Yeah. No. Now, apparently,
according to a board certified sleep medicine doctor, chief medical
advisor of Sleepopolis, that's the thing. The best time to
drink coffee is in the mid to late morning, usually
nine thirty to eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Okay, disappointing, which is it?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Two?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It isn't when I want it. I want it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I feel like by that point I would start to
get a headache. You know, I'd be like a caffeine.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Withdrawal because you need it, I know. But it apparently
it can give you the boost you need to get
through the mid morning slump. Caffeine improves your cognitive function
as you start the day, enhances exercise performance before a
morning workout. But so if that's true, why am I
having it at nine thirty my warning work as it
would be at like six or seven.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I like my second cup of coffee around ten ten thirty,
So I'll just ignore right the rest.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Of it, right, I don't Apparently it's better for heart
health to have it before noon, but after nine and
definitely it says. I mean, there are studies suggesting people
who drink coffee between four am and twelve pm or
sixteen percent less likely to die from any cause compared
to people who didn't drink coffee, and thirty one percent
(26:53):
less likely to develop heart disease. I can't keep up
with all of these recommendations. Yeah, but there is one
for sure consensus that you should not have coffee five
to six hours before sleep.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yes, I mean a long that's a long time it is, Yeah,
but that makes sense to me. I mean, like before dinner.
I don't really want coffee before that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I don't either remember like that post dinner cup of
coffee or that post dinner espresso or something like. If
I'm at a restaurant, I love ordering, do.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You I always feel like I'm full, Like I don't.
I've never had post dinner coffee for another beverage.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't. I don't have much coffee at that time.
But sometimes I have to do a show at like
ten pm. Oh yeah, caffee, I must, I must caffeinate.
But the shitty part is after the show, I want
to go right to bed. I'm up, I know, and
it's not mess a caffeine. It's TV and just being
(27:54):
like on. So it really it's it's tough to do
it that late, but sometimes I have to.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Okay, I don't know much about basketball players these days.
I just don't follow it as much as I used to.
But uh, there is a basketball player from the Golden
State Warriors named Jimmy Butler. I think he's a big
I think he's a big deal. I don't know he
(28:24):
he has what is apparently one of the best coffee brands.
He has his own that, like experts have decided, is
super super good and like up there with Competits Coffee
okay and McDonald's okay. McDonald's apparently, but listen to how
(28:48):
this started. This is amazing. So he was a big
coffee fan and coffee drinker. And when COVID happened again,
the NBA bubble happened. Do you remember this, where like
the NBA all went to like, in his case, the
Walt Disney World Hotel and they all just stayed in
(29:11):
there for the whole season. That's and like didn't go
in and out. And he started operating a makeshift coffee shop.
Oh I love his hotel room inside the bubble. It
was a cash only shop. It had a menu of
everything from lattes to pourovers, with the drink costing twenty
(29:32):
dollars a pop. No IOUs allowed. Oh my god, you
had to pay. So the Onyx coffee lab got wind
of this and tried to get in touch with him
because they were like, this is amazing and we want
to be in the Jimmy Butler coffee business. They didn't.
They weren't able to reach him, but another coffee collaborator,
(29:57):
Brand Intelligentsia Oh Yes, reached Jimmy Butler Lucky them, and
he reached out to Onyx. So the three of them
worked together to come up with big Face coffee Big Face,
and it is like it intense, like he is an
expert in the coffee. Wow. He ended up poaching the
(30:20):
director of Intelligentsia to serve as the CEO of his
new company and bringing the Onyx team on as partners
to help with sourcing, roasting, and distribution. And the coffee
experts there said he is in the industry. He uses
a Lamarzico LINEA mini as his travel machine, a three
group Lamrazico lev at his home in San Diego. These
(30:44):
machines sell for five thousand to thirty five thousand dollars. WHOA,
And they say he is a student. He is very
interested in humble it's so cool to be around. And
they say experts say this is an incredible cup of coffee.
Now Blen sell online Big Face for thirty dollars for
an eight point eight ounce bag. WHOA very expensive. They
(31:07):
they know that they agree it is expensive. They want
to be a high price point coffee. Miami coffee shop
Jimmy Butler has a flight of three coffees sells for
one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
What this is crazy?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I'm so confused by all this.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Though. I mean, I'm not usually one to be drawn
to like a celebrity brand because it's a celebrity. Yeah,
but this sounds like a celebrity. He looked like, knows
what he's doing. Didn't just slap his name on something. Yeah,
this came together like organically. It sounded like it came
interest from him. But I'm confused about the Walt Disney hotel.
(31:46):
So was he like, like what bean? Doesn't it matter
what beans you're using? So like you get nobody else's beans.
And then I don't know if he ordered beans to
the to the's never gonna tell. I don't know, but
I mean his interest in coffee yeah got him this
coffee deal. Yeah, and he's apparently very hands on, and
(32:08):
I want to try big face.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I mean, for sure, the.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Beans are sourced directly from the Animal Kingdom, the natural
habitat they just like. And then he roasted it there. Yeah, exactly,
another big tree.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I do feel like I think we should push him
because surely he's listening if he's a coffee fan. Yeah,
to bring uh, get an option for the people, you know,
for the masses. Yeah, I want a regular coffee price point,
not a thirty dollars one.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I'm I'm getting the feeling. This is like an experience,
but I would love to try it. Apparently his shop
is in Miami and you can order them online. Maybe
I will, yeah, and make us all a cup of
big face coffee.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
My god, I'm so intrigued.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Taste tested. Yeah, this is apparently what we do now.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, or taste a lot of taste testing. I like it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I like it well, and you tell me there's an
expensive bag of beans, I'm like, oh, where can I
get it?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah? Tell me more. What we should be recreating is
the se cup lab. I think if you throw lab
at the end of anything, it's now a scientific adventure
and we will taste test anything that comes to a science.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Sure, coffee lab. I love it. I love you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Should change your title talking coffee lab.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, that's all the news that's fit to set.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And now I know a basketball name I can throw around,
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But you sound very well informed.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Have you seen Jimmy Butler? Have you seen him?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
You've seen him?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Have you sipped his coffee?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And have you?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
So?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Thanks everybody, and as always, please write in to off
the Cup at gmail dot com. Coup with two p's
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I look amazing for having a ten year old and
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what do you think that means you're welcoming particular episode
tack my question.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
On Oh, and I wanted to correct our lovely call
in right in person. I was calling her Ava, it's Eva, Eva, Okay,
you actually said, and I was like, no, I'm pretty
sure it's Eva okay, Diva.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, Eva write us back. We want to hear more.
All right, Thanks guys, We'll see you next time on
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