I feel like our son ABANDONED us… he refuses to move closer to home! - r/AmITheAsshole | Reddit Stories - ok storytime

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
I feel like our son abandoned us he refuses to
move closer to home.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Let the bird free, let him flap his wings.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I have a fifty six female and I live with
my husband, sixty four male. We only have one son,
thirty three male, who currently lives abroad, and we see
each other once a year as it's very far away
and expensive to go. By the way, this comes from loving.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Mom twelve so sweet.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
We live in a small town. He moved away when
he was eighteen for college and never came back. We
expected him to move back after he graduated, but he
decided to stay where he was since he already had
a job and a girlfriend there. They got married. Our
town is close to our state's capital, where his his
work field is very strong. Ever since his senior in college,

(01:04):
I've been trying to convince him to move closer for
a better career and to stay close to his family.
He never showed interest, which I find odd, especially since
his wife also works in the same field today. I
never told anything besides let them know me and his
father are always here if they needed us. Until recently,

(01:26):
things were fine mine. I miss him a lot. We
text every day, but we don't get to speak to
each other often. The problem is my father eighty four male,
whose health took a dive and is very fragile, and
with my son living so far away, he's missing precious
time he could be spending right here. His granddad is
not likely to live many years from now. I told

(01:48):
the news to my son and he was sad about it,
and he came to see us and left a week ago.
I was honest with him. I said, his grandfather will
not stay with us for so long, and since he
lives very far away, he will who's the opportunity to
stay close and enjoy the time he has left. He
was not happy about me touching on this matter. He
said I was trying to guilt him into moving back,

(02:10):
which is true. I asked him why he was doing
this to me, Oh, could you Why doesn't he miss man?

Speaker 4 (02:16):
His dad?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
We are getting old and he's only seeing us once
or twice a year. It's cruel to us.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, she's going harder and harder ramping.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
Mama just wants her baby bird back.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
He said he missed us, but he's happy where he
is and does not plan on moving back, and he
and his wife are already making plans on buying a
house where they live.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I wonder, I wonder where a broad they're living.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, I don't know. I couldn't take it, and I
burst out crying. I told him I felt abandoned, that
he didn't seem to care for us, and he should
enjoy his family while he can, because we will. We
will not be here forever. I asked, what makes him
think he cannot be happy living here? He didn't respond.
The few days after this were very awkward, and after

(02:59):
he left to be even more distant, avoiding me and
being very short on his text.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yesterday his wife called and said my son was feeling
bad and told her what happened. She called me an
ale and said I had no right to try and
manipulate him like that, and I should be ashamed. I
don't think I'm in the ale for wanting my son
to be closer to me. They are the a hole
for abandoning family okay, am I including her as well,
since she did the same. I talked to her mother often,

(03:28):
and she's on my side.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Her mother agrees with me. I am right, I must
be right.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I didn't realize we could edit the original post. I
just want to add some information. I'm not asking my
son to sell his happiness just to be by my side.
I just can't see why he needed to be so
far away. While he and his wife could have wonderful
careers around our area. They could earn more money while
staying close to family. It's illogical for me to think
about anything different. Some are under the impression I gave

(03:56):
up my life to become his mother, and that's not true.
I had my own career, and a good one. I
worked hard to give my son the best I could.
I retired six years ago. I realized there is a
very strong cultural background where we come from. Family is
expected to stay close. My son was the first member
of my family that decided to move somewhere so far
away that makes visiting once every two weeks or even

(04:19):
once a month impossible to do. I don't expect to
be taken care of when I get old. Me and
my husband already talked about this, and unless my son
wants to, we will not ask him to take care
of us. Just to clarify, I'm not Indian. While I
love India and I've been there once with my husband,
I just want to clarify I'm South American. My son
currently lives in North America. And there is another edit

(04:40):
which we'll also read. I think I'm getting it. It's
really cultural. Most people here seem to be from the US,
and I understand it's really normal for families to be
separated after children move to college and they see each
other just once a year at Christmas or Thanksgiving, for example.
I was raised to believe family should stick together. I
raised my son to have the same values, and I

(05:02):
expected him to keep this tradition. But he's broken it.
It's not his fault, but I will never understand this decision.
This will probably be the last time I'm editing the post.
I realized that I will never understand my son's motivation
to move away, and I will also never understand why
he broke free from our culture of family closeness. No,
I am completely una, No, I am completely unable to

(05:25):
see the world how he does. And I just have
to accept it.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Okay, dang, I am.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Still feeling abandoned, neglected, and I'm resenting his decisions. I
think he's ungrateful and I will probably rethink our will.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Whoa, whoa, it's a mama Bird's a mamma vulte.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's crazy how much she like, she recognizes that she's like.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
He seems like she has a lot of self awareness. Yeah,
she sees the other possibility of like understanding his worldview,
and she's like, I'm good him. I'm tak him out
of the will.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
You're taking him out of the will.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's wild that said.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I have to accept he had opted a new culture
and that is just who he is now. He changed
and I'm not able to change him back. So I
take the judgment and I will work with what I
have from now on. Just to add some extra info,
I'm rethinking my will because why should I leave everything
for him since he chose to be so far away.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I don't like it's really messed up we have thinking.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
His cousins are all nearby and they help us when
we need them. I'm closer to them now that I
am to my son. I'm not taking him off the will. Okay,
we've doubled back. I'm just not going to leave him everything. Okay,
he gets to live where he wants, far away from us,
and I get to choose whoever goes on my will choices. Right,
he's so vidious.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
And there is another edit.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I've four out of Edit twenty every edit it. This
might be the last.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Edit, but but I've rethought my will.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
And he's out of it again.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Edit four. I'm not writing him off my will. I
was angry, frustrated, and sad when I wrote that. My God,
I never expected him to give up his life for me.
All I want is my son to be close to
his family. That's it. I don't know why it's so
difficult for you people to see my points. Poor woman,
my son has everything he could possibly need to be successful,

(07:11):
start a family, and still stay close, but he chose
to move to another country. How am I supposed to feel.
I'm proud he is a good professional, a good husband,
and I'm happy to have helped him pave this road.
I still think he's a horrible person.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
For choosing self who I feel like that's the she
needs therapy.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
Yeah, so like back and forth with everything. Yeah, he's like, Okay,
you compliment him, and then you're like, all right, But
I'm so upset.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
And he's a horrible person, literally calling him a whole.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
I love my son so much. I just want him home,
but he really sucks forgets shocks.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
To be honest, he didn't even need to live right
next to us. He could have three hours away. This way,
we could at least visit him often or plan any
activities together. All you people say is his life, his choices.
I get it, But how is it so easy for
y'all to dismiss where I'm coming from? Why did he

(08:08):
need to go to another country.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
He's not feeling seen, He's feeling along Vier's side and no.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Reddits attacking her. Yes, I am assuming he did that
justice stay away from us, which makes him a horrible son.
As clingy as I may be, I come from a place.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Of love and control and manipulation and guilt and shame.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I've always let him know I love him, and I've
always thought about the best for him. But at the
same time, am I really this wrong to expect some closeness.
He never starts conversations. I'm the one who sends the text.
If I don't tell him the news about his relatives.
He doesn't ask how am I supposed to not feel abandoned? Seriously,
I don't know what else to say. There's a lot

(08:51):
of edits, lots of comments asking why don't I move
closer to him? Instead? I will not do to my
own parents what he's doing to me.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I'm not a monster.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Even if I didn't have my parents, I'm unable to
get a permanent visa comments Comment one.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Does that mean no more edits?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Uh? They're probably more out it, damn it. But we
have comments, so maybe they'll maybe they'll, you know, get
some sense in her.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Doubt.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Sorry, I don't think it's working.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Comment one. You're the a hole, not for feeling sad
that your son lives far away, but for constantly trying
to guilt him into moving back when he has made
clear that it is not going to happen. Adults get
to choose for themselves where they want to live and
what career they want. Your son is not required to
move close to you. Comment two. I've lived in a
different country from my family for twenty years. I did

(09:41):
return for a while when my grandma was in decline
and was reminded why I left. I love my family,
but I love them a lot more when they're not
in the same country. Update. Whoa, we got an update,
not an edit.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I wanted to provide you all with an update since
my original post gained a lot of attention and sparked
various discussions, some were unfortunately rude and disrespectful. Since my
last post, I improved my relationship with my son and
his wife. Okay, switch therapist, started treatment for my anxiety

(10:17):
and depression, lost my father.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Things started to turn around when I decided to change
therapists and went on a few sessions with the new one.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I did not expect this to turn around. This is amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah. Their approach allowed me to come to terms with
the fact that my son's values, perspectives on the world,
and life objectives will never align with mine. And that's okay.
Whoa whoa.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
Slamming like she's.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
It was a tough realization, but an important one. During therapy,
I also discovered that my anxiety was way more off
than I thought, and I never treated it. I started
taking medication. After a few months, I was feeling a
lot better about my son living away from me. Moreover,
my therapist helped me understand a crucial aspect of my life.

(11:10):
I had been living under the weight of guilt, giving
up on so many plans for the sake of my
own parents. A silly example, when my husband and I
got married, I wanted to get a cat, but my
father always hated cats. I thought to myself, my father
despises velines. It wouldn't be fair to him to have
a cat in our home. What if they come to visit.
I wouldn't be a good daughter. When I recounted this

(11:32):
story to my therapist, they were shocked on how normal
I thought that was. This was just one of many
instances where guilt dictated my decisions. Both of my parents
were masters at instilling guilt, and I had internalized it
over the years. Main point of the original post I
wanted my son to continue living close to me. He didn't.

(11:53):
In my misguided attempts to enforce my desires, I resorted
to guilt tripping him repeatedly. It's how I'd been taught,
It's what I knew. I now see how wrong and
unhealthy that behavior is.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I'm so I'm so proud, and so proud.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I'm incredibly proud. Well, I may never fully understand or
relate to the idea of living far away from family
still hurts. I've come to accept that this is my
issue to grapple with, not my son's burden. I am
determined to confront this challenge alone and refuse to allow
it to dictate my happiness. After my father passed, it
happened suddenly my son wanted to come to his funeral,

(12:30):
but it would be so exhausting for him not to
mention expensive. So I told him there was no need
to come. He could stay and we could get together
and remember Grandpa another time.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
WHOA dude, this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Whow that someone someone get that therapist number?

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Because yeah, literally the glow up. Yeah, the glow up.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I was surprised with myself. In other times, I would
have guilted him into coming as fast as he could.
I would never guilt you guys into joining us live
on YouTube, Facebook, TikTok.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
But if you don't, it's like, actually really rude in me.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean, we were live every three pm PSD every weekday.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
You don't come up so long.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Any final final thoughts.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I feel like I feel every fifty stories I get
a happy end there. Yeah, and I'm feeling really happy.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
We started on a happy.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Story today story you know what that means.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
We're going to end on a depressing one.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
I believe that, and I'm begging that the case.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
In conclusion, I want to thank those who were respectful
for the wake up call and the discussions that unfolded
from my initial post. It has been an enlightening journey
of self discovery and growth. I'm committed to continuing my
progress and learning how to prioritize my own well being
while respecting the autonomy and choices of those around me.
End an edit because she loves Edits. Thank you everyone

(13:54):
for this awesome reception of my post. I wasn't expecting
this much love. I want to take some time and
reply to each comment, but I'll address one point that
everyone seems to be commenting, Yes, my husband and I
will adopt a cat loudly. I actually was hoping that
because she was like when I was you know, when
my dad was around, I never got a cat, and
I always wanted one.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I remember that. I just didn't think like logistically she
was like, and I still want a cat.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I still freaking want a cat. I guess, so we
need to secure our house first. We plan on keeping
it indoors for its safety, so we'll catify the environment
the best we can. I've been watching a lot of
Jackson Galaxy videos. I'm not familiar that, but there are
some comments to finish off. Comment one says, my mom
needs to see your therapist, Comment too, Mine two, three,

(14:40):
Mine too, Comment four through five, Mine two and my three.

Speaker 7 (14:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
And that is the end of that story.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
My daughters are having a feud and I refuse to
cut off one for the other.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You gotta take a side.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I have fifty six female and my husband, Kurt fifty
nine male, have two her daughters, Ruth thirty two and
June thirty. Eight years ago, Ruth split up with her
college boyfriend Adam thirty two. They'd been together since she
was twenty s last twenty one, and it was as
serious as a college relationship could be. By the way,
this comes from you deleted on the rok storytime subreddit.

(15:17):
So about five years ago, June announced that she reconnected
with Adam at some alumni get together. They'd all gone
to the same university, and that they were now dating
college sweethearts. Wow. Of course, Kurt and I were shocked
she would do this despite her sister's history with him.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh ooh oh okay.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Of course, Kurt and I were shocked she would do
this despite her sister's history with him, but she insisted
that they were in love. And she came up and
that Ruth and Adam hadn't been together in years, so
she hadn't done anything wrong. Ruth, understandably was enraged over it.
He said she was done with June and would never
see her again.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Who who they let Adam break up their family?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
This broke me. They were so close growing up and
I prayed every day they reconcile, but I accepted their adults,
who can make their own choices, and we have no say.
Kurt and I were also very disappointed with June and
told her off many times, but after she proved that
there was never any cheating involved while Ruth and Adam
were together, things between us settled down out of respect
for Ruth's feelings. We never brought the girls together again.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
Way to go, Adam, way to ruin things.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Ruth and June and visit us separately and still aren't
on speaking terms after five years. That's crazy, but we
maintained our relationships. Now June and Adam are married, okay,
whoa whoa. Ruth has also moved on with a lovely boy. Coincidentally,
both girls are expecting their first Oh Ruth do date

(16:51):
is a little earlier. I can't put into words how
excited we are to be grandparents and adore both these children.
I've been supportive and as involved with both our daughter's
pregnancies as they want. However, last week, Ruth drops a
bomb on us and Adam Adam bombas Adam Okay. She
said that if we ever see June again or her baby,

(17:14):
she won't allow us in her child's life. It's kept
me up every night. The thought of either of my
grandchildren being deprived of loving grandparents is agonizing. I know
Ruth was deeply hurt by June's actions, but I don't
know if we should be punished just for not cutting
our kid off. How can any parent even consider disowning
a child. We begged her to reconsider and said our

(17:35):
love for them both isn't conditional and we can't just
stop loving one, but she's adamant. I don't want to
accept Ruth's terms, as it seems like no matter what
we decide, we're going to lose a daughter and grandchild.
So I rather it not happened because we outright chose it.
But I also don't want Ruth to believe we just
dropped her in favor of June, because again the thought
crushes me. Would I be the ahole if I don't
comply with Ruth's ultimatum. Thank you to everyone for commiserating

(17:58):
with the situation. I wish I could say it's helped
feel better. Right now, it feels like nothing ever will.
One of my babies hates the other broke me, but
I accepted it. Now I'm faced with losing one of
them no matter what. Entirely too many comments to respond
to individually, so I just want to answer some of them.
Most common questions here. Why did Ruth and Adam split
it up? Okay, we need some of this context. Yeah,

(18:20):
Ruth left Adam because it just wasn't working. He was
immature and said and did things that irritated her, mostly
lots of minor things adding up. She said there was
never any abuse nor cheating, but it was the right
decision for herself. He was a nice enough boy, but
he definitely had some growing up to do at the
time makes sense. He was an adolescent, he was a
college for it, but he definitely had some growing up

(18:40):
to do this time. I did feel very badly for
Ruth because she had invested a good few years into
the relationship for someone so young, but agreed it was
the right decision. Did we ever support Ruth? Ruth stayed
with us for a few months when it first happened,
not just because of this. There were other reasons, and
we were there for her and comforted her the whole time,
but she was so angry. We had asked June to

(19:01):
not visit until she left. We still talked to her
and met a couple of times in public places. We
made it known that her sister and we were disappointed
she didn't think of this. June understood and agreed with
us supporting Ruth. She expressed sadness over losing her sister,
but we clearly told her it was Ruth's decision to
cut her off. Whether one thinks June did nothing wrong
or not, it's untrue to say there was never any

(19:21):
consequences for this. She's sad to this day that she's
lost her sister and knows she has to accept and
live with it. Did June ever apologize to Ruth. Both
girls have confirmed that June or reach out a few
times over the years to apologize. No one put her
up to it. Ruth didn't forgive her, and she's well
within her rights not to understand. No one can or
should make her accept the apology. Why don't we just

(19:43):
cut off Adam?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is not the cutting off is like, it's not
the solution to any of these.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
It's also not the mom's responsibility has nothing to do
with the mom. He's June's husband and the father of
our second grandchild. They are a package deal.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Now.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Once we cut him off, we risk losing June and
our grandchild anyway, which is the same as what I'm
trying to prevent with Ruth. Some coments say that I'm
letting June stay in our lives after this. I already
chose her and asked why didn't it cut her off
from the start?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
This is fordaying what what?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
What is this wild?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
The thing is I think they're going with Ruth's ultimatum
like Reddit the like, oh, you have to choose one.
Why are you choosing the one who like betrayed her sister?
It's like no Opie's whole thing is that she doesn't
want to choose between her children.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
And she doesn't have to. Yeah, is to be corroborating
with this wild demand from Ruth, this.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Very vindictive thing from Ruth, that is just is not okay.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Not disowning June doesn't mean I chose to be her
mother over Ruth's. I never abandoned Ruth and never will.
Ruth has thanked us for our support in the past.
She said she was fine with how we'd arrange things
for the last five years as long as she never
had to see June. She was happy seeing us and
everything was normal between us. It's only now that she
wants us to disown June five years later.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Some saying she's should have cut us off years ago
for still loving June. Who says that, don't say that.
She said many times her goal isn't to cut us off.
She loves us and wants us to be involved with
a child, but that she can't stand June or her
baby getting the same love and care from us because
she thinks she doesn't deserve it. I want to add
that if Adam had ever abused her, Cheetah on Ruth.

(21:19):
We certainly would have gone no contact or at least
low contact with them. That's not what happened, and both
girls used to repeatedly tell us that what happened between
them had nothing to do with us. I don't regret it,
because as heartbreaking as this is, willingly cutting off either
of them outside of the circumstances I mentioned is unfathomable
to me or their father. Thank you again everyone for
their good wishes and for suggesting family therapy.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
I think that's a good option that I will try
and bring it up with Ruth and my husband. We
suggested it when things initially happened, but dropped it when
she said no update.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Oh I need that update. I need this family to
find the therapist in South America.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yes, seriously, like right now. Hello again, thank you for
all the support and advice on my first posts. A
Lot's happened, so I think I sh to provide an update.
I'm sensing a happy ending.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I think Ruth is going to realize that she's being
crazy and she could come around.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
A Lot's happened, so I think I should provide an update.
We follow the device and told Ruth that if she
decided to go no contact. We would comply, but we
could never willingly cut off either of them. We again
begged her to reconsider and reiterated that we were willing
to go to family therapy, that we would do all
we could to keep her in June apart anything to
make it work. She said she still wasn't happy Dune

(22:30):
and her baby would stay in our lives, but she
would think about it. Kurt and I also looked into
opening and account for Ruth's child, but didn't go through
with it yet, in hopes that things could turn around.
Days went by, we didn't hear back from Ruth. It
was agony. Then we got a call from June. She
got in wind of what was happening through mutual family.

(22:50):
She drove to Ruth herself. No one put her up
to this. She was prepared for Ruth to kick her
out anyway. Once she was there, she apologized again and
begged her not to do this. She said she could
accept Ruth wanting nothing to do with her, but not
to punish us because of it, especially since they both
knew that cutting us off would cost her child loving grandparents. Talkingly,

(23:11):
Ruth didn't.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
Kick her out.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Whoa come back come back. He let her in and
they both had a long, tearful argument, class fight. They
even hugged a few times.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Year it's a new year, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
New toxicity levels going down or something like that. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
The radiation after the atom bomb is slowly. What's the thing.
It's like every it's like the half life, half life,
the half life is being halved.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's been halved, it's going down. I'm foggy on details.
Do I suspect pregnancy hormones played a huge role here.
I didn't consider that. That's that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
That is a good point. I don't think anyone brought
that up in the chat.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I can't tell you how panicked I was hearing the
story because it could have been so risky for them both.
They haven't exactly made up, and Ruth didn't forgive June,
but she admitted to her that her husband, Owen, has
actually been trying to convince her to go to couples
counseling and individual therapy as well. So she's not just
contextually crazy, she's globally crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
It's globally crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I take back calling her crazy. Apparently, since Ruth's pregnancy,
some troubling qualities that he was able to deal with
previously were exacerbated. She was being controlling and paranoid, and
he was pleading with her to get help so they
could be in a good place once the baby was born.
June's visit was the final straw, and Ruth broke down
and agreed. And we want you to agree to joining
us live on YouTube every Facebook blah blah blah every

(24:41):
weekday a three PMPSC just aff her profile. We're probably
live right now, so tap it, good check, let's discuss.
Do you have anything to that? I said, we just
go into it.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I yeah, no. I think that this is another wonderful
turnaround for the books.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Another turnaround, another comeback is looking great good.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's looking good. That's too happy. Story is who never
say that?

Speaker 3 (25:01):
You never get wh wh whoa wha whoa whoa whoa.
You can't see me. I'm knocking on wood. It's not
completed yet, all right, Ruth called us later. She corroborated
June's story and accepted our therapy. Offero, let's go. She
still has one condition. Oh no, the conditions he wants
owen there if June has to attend any sessions, and

(25:23):
she doesn't want Adam president at all. That's okay, fair,
that's fair. Fair, we all agreed. The first session is
in a few days. I could barely keep it together.
That I'll see both my babies in the same room
for the time for real.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
That's been five years.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, that's really sweet. It's been so stressful, but I
can finally see some light. I haven't lost my daughters.
Kurt and I are going to put everything into keeping
our families together. I'm not going to be naive and
assume everything will be fine, but I'm hopeful. I want
to thank everyone again for all the comfort and help
to those who sent kind dms sharing their similar situations.
I truly appreciate your solidarity. Okay, so we don't have

(26:02):
the ending, but I'm gonna count this as a happy.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm counting as happy. The teachers aid over stepped her
boundaries regarding my parenting, so I reported her fire. Get
her fired. Yes, Karen, So this just happened about three
hours ago, and I'm still flummixed about it. Today, being Halloween,
my kids' school sent out a notice that kids can
wear their Halloween costumes to school. I have two children,

(26:28):
my son eight and my daughter six. By the way,
this comes from Violinist number twenty nine to sixty one
and on the Okay Storytime separate it. So my son
is the type to get involved with the school activities
i e. Dress up days, et cetera. My daughter is
more reserved and will sometimes participate if she feels inclined.
I don't force them to do the activities. I'll ask

(26:51):
if they want to and take it from there. Today
was no different. My son wanted to wear his costume,
no problem. My daughter wanted to initially but decided not
to this morning. I only asked her why and she said,
just want to be me today.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
That's sweet.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Again, no problem. I plod her self awareness. My girl
knows what she likes and doesn't and doesn't like. Well.
I don't let them have free reign on important decisions.
I do let them speak for themselves on things like this.
I auson dropped them off at school before heading to work,
and I pick them up. As I get to the gate,
the teacher's aide, who is someone I know personally, daughter

(27:28):
of a friend of my mom, came up to me
and started questioning why I didn't let my daughter participate
in dressing up. I told her that it was my
daughter's decision. He then gave me this skeptical look and said, well,
it's clear that you don't know what your daughter wants,
and the favoritism shows whoa implying I favor my oldest. Now,

(27:48):
I'm not one to take a calm approach when it
comes to even the slightest attack to my kids, but
I tried for a calm tone when I responded, excuse.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
That.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
What makes you think that I favor one kid over
the other and makes you an expert on what my
daughter wants. She responded by saying, well, it's obvious you
allow your sign up participate, but not her. You singled
her out by not letting her dress up. She was
sad seeing the other kids in costume. By this time,

(28:23):
I was fuming. My kids were playing with friends while
we were talking. I called my daughter over and asked
her why didn't she wear a costume today? And she
said the same thing she told me this morning, then
skipped away to go play.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I looked back at the aid and said, hmmm, seems
you're misguided. Assumptions on me and my kids are wrong.
Stop thinking you know my daughter better than I do,
and mind your business. Mind your dang business. I initially
wanted to just let it go, but I was still
upset that I called the school to speak to my
daughter's actual teacher to ask how my daughter was throughout

(29:00):
the day. You told me that nothing was a miss
and my daughter had an awesome day. I then explained
about the interaction with the AID and my displeasure about it.
My daughter's teacher is a gem. She's exactly what any
parent wants in a teacher for their kids, and she
was mortified. He told me she would handle it and
we'd go from there. My mom called and asked what

(29:21):
happened because the AID went crying to her mom about it.
I told my mom the story and she was pissed.
While her friend is a sweet lady, her daughter is not.
She likes to create issues and twist tails to fit
her narrative. Mom's friend was apologetic, but feels like I
should apologize for saying what I said because now her
daughter is upset because the school put her on probation

(29:41):
for her actions. WHOA I told her no, she shouldn't
have crossed a line and overstepped your boundaries as an
AID don't get me wrong. I do feel that teachers
slash aides need to speak up if there are clear
signs of abuse on a child, But to insinuate something
like this is not cool. My mom backed me up,
and I told her friend that she knows her daughter

(30:01):
butts into people's lives and creates issues.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Dang, it's a pattern.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, She's like, oh, that's my daughter. Now. I don't
regret my words, but I'm starting to feel a bit
guilty about calling the teacher and basically blabbing to her
about the aid. Am I the a whole and quick update.
Hi everyone, Thank you so much for the responses. I
wanted to just drop in real quick and provide a
mini update. The teacher called me and wanted to say
thank you for informing her about what happened. As someone stated,

(30:28):
it wasn't the first time someone spoke up about her overstepping.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
So not only is it a pattern in her life,
it's a pattern in her professional Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Apparently she was worn before and this was addressed immediately,
which makes sense because I mean, normally this wouldn't be
a probation if it was like, you know, the first time. Yeah,
but that clearly this has happened with other people.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
The woman is shoving herself into other people's lives and busy.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, she's been moved to a different location, not within
a cash classroom, but an office type deal. Now, I
gotta get back to trick or treating and there is
an up date. Hi everybody. First, I want to say
thank you to everyone who commented or reached out. I
appreciate all the replies. A lot of you gave me
some things to think about this after this happened, and

(31:11):
I'm very grateful. I wasn't sure I was going to
update on this, but this past weekend leading up to
yesterday has been a bit of a whirlwind, so I
apologize for the length. To start, how my mom found
out her friend was actually at her house when the
aid called her crying in hysterics that she'd been put
on probation. The aid didn't know her mom was at

(31:33):
with mine at the time. When her mom told her
she would be over at her house in a little
while because she was at my mom's, the aid said
something along the lines of it's her daughter's fault and
hung up.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
What my mom and her.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Friend were undoubtedly confused, which is when the conversation happened
the update. My mom's friend Abby has a sister Beth
that's quite honestly ahot. She's a bit eccentric in some ways,
but is a firecracker when wronged. This woman loves my family,
especially my kids. She is the bonus aunt they never had.
My husband and I only have brothers, and they live

(32:07):
long distance from us with their partners. Beth was livid
after hearing what happened and went into full KEYI mode. Okay,
what is she trying to find?

Speaker 8 (32:17):
Date?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Beth and the aid Kathy never really got along. I'm
not sure about the history there. I don't ask questions
because it really isn't any of my business. I didn't
know what Beth was up to until around Sunday afternoon,
when she called me, giving no names. She was able
to find out that the other times Kathy crossed personal
boundaries with a parent was with people she knew personally. Ooh,

(32:39):
so herms to do so with people she has a
personal relationship with. So because Opie's mom is friends with
her mom, she thought maybe she could get away with it.
In Beth's word, she thinks because she knows you, she
can say whatever she wants. You guys were right on
that one. Well, one parent wasn't having it and reported
it to the school, which is when Kathy was first warned.

(33:01):
My report was the last straw. On Monday, my daughter's
teacher called and asked to be condmean after school. I
said yes, and thankfully my husband had the day off
so he could go with me. The teacher and vice
principal wanted me to recount what happened. After I gave
my side, I was informed that Kathy has been placed
on administrative leave pending investigation.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Whoa last straw, I guess yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
The reason some other parents came forward about Kathy's behavior. Oh,
I don't have details, but since she already had at
least two complaints, they were forced into more action. My
guess is the other parents found out about her being
reported and came forward with their own. Of course, the
VP and teacher couldn't give me details, so it's all
up to speculation at this point. Yesterday, my mom called

(33:50):
and told me Kathy resigned from her job. According to
what Abby had said, Kathy told her that the whole
town is against her and she can't take it out anymore.
Maybe do your job better if we think about that,
you know what I think about Yes, you guys can
listen to full episodes with stories like this. Just go
to Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or your favorite podcast app and

(34:12):
search Okay storytime. The school administration apologized to me and
my husband for what happened and thanked us for being
cooperative with everything. Abby even apologized because after finding out
more details from Detective Best, she was horrified about Kathy's
behavior and entitlement. Kathy felt she had rights to speak
up because she knew she knows everyone personally and it

(34:35):
was her duty to say something. So there you have
it again. Thank you all for commenting and easing my
mind on it all. I doubt I'll update again on this,
but we'll see. And there is one comment. I used
to work in the public school system as a teacher
and then as a crisis counselor. I worked with some
excellent aids, but I've also seen a couple of pretty

(34:56):
bad ones. I've definitely seen the problem when an aide
tries to reach beyond the scope of what they're supposed
to be doing. I've even had an AID get inappropriately
involved with talk about a child's mental health issues with
family members of the child that they should not be
discussing those things with this aid took her uninformed opinion
about your daughter and her experience and took it in

(35:17):
an inappropriate direction. She took it so far that you
have preference of one over the other based on something small.
I'm not saying I've never seen preference among kids. I'm
saying this was a big leap and was an inappropriate
one at that she messed up.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Not you.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
It sounds like you handled it well and went to
the correct person to report it. I'm glad your daughter
has such a good teacher and that the teacher is
willing to do things that might make her uncomfortable but
that are to benefit the children in her care. Good
job mom, Good job teacher. I'm glad that action was taken.
And that's the end of that story.

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Speaker 8 (36:01):
My mother controlled my wedding, so I left her after it.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Good good.

Speaker 8 (36:07):
I was twenty one at the time and they were
twenty five. We'll call them Jesse. Both of us were
super shy, so mutually friends of ours helped us start
talking and getting to know each other. By the way,
this comes from a Taco's Life one oh one in
the r slash Okay storytime cebread it. When my mom
found out, she forced me to move back home so

(36:28):
I wouldn't be tempted to sin. Kept chatting at work,
and finally planned to see a movie. My mom found
out and took my phone. She texted Jesse from my
phone and arranged me to meet at a restaurant for lunch.
She took my stepdad and left me a home while
they ambushed Jesse over tacos. Where's Taco Tuesday of Jesse's life.

(36:50):
Before they left, they would only allow us to see
each other if Jesse planned on marrying me. WHOA, so
you got you gotta lock in right now or never?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
That's crazy locking unlocked.

Speaker 8 (37:09):
Jesse said that was what they were trying to figure
out while seeing me and left it at that. Fast
forward all the details and trust me, that in itself
is another story. We got engaged and decided to have
a year long engagement before getting married. I didn't mind

(37:29):
getting married married sooner, but Jesse didn't want people to
think we were having a pew pew wedding. Here is
where things started to get but ugly. We didn't have
a lot of money, so we were trying to keep
it low key slash cheap. We booked a local church
that Jesse went to as a kid and decided to

(37:50):
do a potluck and make the invitations ourselves, which, dude,
if I had my wedding in North Carolina, that is
what I am doing. That is exactly what I'm doing.
A potlot do my grandma bringing her freaking gumbo and
my mom bringing like her best pumpkin pound cake. Dude,
John is gonna be there. If I didn't have so

(38:13):
many dang brothers, you'd be one of them. I'm the oldest,
so I'm the first kid to get married. So my
mom threw herself into trying to take over my wedding planning.
My mom and I argued over the guest list so
much that I stopped wedding planning for several months because
I couldn't handle the anxiety of her yelling and trying
to manipulate me for not wanting to invite certain people.

(38:37):
Time was running out to send the invitations, but before
we could send them out, we ran into a problem.
The church we booked for our wedding triple booked.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
How do you triple books?

Speaker 6 (38:49):
What?

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Double booking is one thing, but triple booking.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
Astor had a hard time saying no, okay, there we go.
So even though it was marked, he still decided to
take on the other two weddings. One was for a
vow renewal service of a couple we invited to our
own wedding. We didn't have another option because everything else
was already booked, so my mom said we could use
her yard and could rent a tint instead. She said

(39:18):
she would cover it, so we agreed because we didn't
have anything else. But that was a huge mistake. Oh,
I can't even like fathom what this mom's about to do.
A tint in the backyard is not a bad idea.
The family wedding is gonna be one to be low key.
No one's really want to dance. They're just gonna say, hey,

(39:39):
hang out and all that friend wedding. Though she had
the power to control us to get her away, she
started saying we were going to need to rent tables
and chairs too, but she was going to cover that.
I was surprised by was when we got there. She
was also renting out tablecloths, napkins, plates, glasses, glassware, and

(40:00):
a few other unnecessary things. Dude, she is running up
a bill for you right now. My plan was just
buying things cheap because again, funds were limited, but my
mom had a hold on me. I was at first
allowed to have bridesmaids, and the plan I did have
for them was to let them pick out their own

(40:20):
dresses in shades of the color that they like that
fit my theme. I wanted them to have a dress
they liked so they would wear it more than once.
My mom said no because it would look awful and
kept forcing me to find a single dress for all
body types and in brown. I kept pushing back until
my mom said, either you cancel your bridesmaids or you

(40:43):
can't have your wedding here. But dude, that is why
why is she doing this? What is she getting out
of this? Like, she just likes power, and that's what.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
She's going She likes control, control, power.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Yeah, power makes sense.

Speaker 8 (40:59):
Golee.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
Was allowed to have a maid of honor, but I
had to cancel the rest. By the way, my mom
hated who I picked for my maid of honor and
kept telling me to change it because she wasn't making
me her priority. She was in college at the time.
One day, my mom dragged me to wedding dress shop
to choose address. I tried the one I picked out,

(41:22):
and my mom went on about how big I looked,
how ugly I was, and why how it made my
teeth look yellow, and how why it made my acne
look even more ugly and sadly like, ope, he doesn't
have the finances to say no. Isn't there someone else
with a big yard that you could get a tent for.

(41:43):
I'm just like, assuming you live in like the South
where there's land or we start slanging.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
Ooh, we start slanging something, get some bread boom.

Speaker 8 (41:52):
Wedding I tried on, I tried it on her. I
tried on her pick and she couldn't stop praising herself
for picking out there the right dress that hit all
of my flaws. How the off white made my teeth
look yet less noticeable, how the dress made me look
thinner than I was. She decided that was my dress,

(42:12):
and then decided she was going to order herself a
custom made red Mother of the Bride dress Red again
two for two.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Two for two back to back story. We did just
have it.

Speaker 8 (42:25):
Bro Drake was right back to back. By the way,
the altercations were so horrible. Not only did my mom
keep telling me how big I was, but the lady
working on my dress did two The lady working on
the dress do they not get tips of this? I
had so much dress and anxiety that I passed out

(42:46):
at work one day and was in the er. Oh,
I couldn't work now, so I couldn't escape my mom
and her wedding. I just kind of gave up at
that point. She planned a caterer playing in my cake
and even invited all her neighbors. Jesse kept wanting to
say something, but I held them back because at the

(43:07):
end of the day, I was getting married and escaping
this toxic place.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I think, I'm not sure, but I think no, But
it's like, hey, you're paying so much for the dress, Yeah,
might as well be it.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
Typically you know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (43:21):
Like the day before the wedding, I was helping set up,
but my mom was nowhere to be found. I had
a last minute appointment to get my nails done and
it was getting down to the wire. Most nails places
close around five here and it was after four and
my mom still hadn't shown up. My maid of honor

(43:43):
and a friend convinced me to leave now or I
wasn't going to be able to get them done. My
mom showed up as me and my maid of honor
were going out the door. My mom was furious I
was leaving to get my nails done and how selfish
I was behaving by letting everyone else set up while
I go get pampered, even though she had gotten back

(44:05):
after leaving at eight a m. That day with a
friend for a day at a spa and getting her
nails done while everyone else. She had some old ladies
from her church helping her set up. After she cried,
saying I was being unreasonable and leaving it to her
to do and decide set up after everyone else set up,
my maid of honor told my mom, I can't talk

(44:27):
to you when you are like this. When you act
like an adult, we can talk. Then she took my hand,
dragging me away with my mom's jaw on the floor, sputtering, yeah,
I understand you're getting married to get away from this
and you'll be like I'll be away from this toxic place.
But not without a humiliating act being done first, her

(44:47):
mom's humiliating her.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
You look so bad, ohbi, you can't wear that. You
have to do this or.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
That like girh.

Speaker 8 (44:56):
I was getting ready with my maid of honor and friend,
trying to figure out how to do my makeup. I
was struggling because I don't know how to put it on,
and due to my mom, I didn't know you could
learn how to put makeup on with the help of
the internet. When I was done, I realized that I
hadn't seen my photographer around. Oh no, I see you.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Like at all.

Speaker 8 (45:17):
Come to find out, she was with my mom taking
the pictures of her getting ready. I didn't want my
stepdad to walk me down the aisle, but again I
had no choice. As we were walking down, he stops,
which surprised me. Then he proceeded to pray while we
stand there with everyone looking at us. I had no
idea praying. I was too shocked to do anything. I

(45:43):
had to marry Jesse without too much after that. But
after the reception, my mom was told by an old
lady that I need a cup of tea because she
was too upset to eat. My mom pushed a cup
of watery tea and said, you know, so everyone here
is thinking of you leaving here and going to have

(46:04):
spicy sleep. They all know you aren't going to be
a pure spicy sleep person anymore. Isn't it funny how
you got shark week day today? It's like God, it's
punishing you. You know why she said that is because
this because a moment of Opie's time was about her

(46:26):
and not her mother.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
One one millisecond wasn't all about her.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
Couldn't give it to op So we have to what
do we have to do?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
We have to if a millisecond, a shred of a
second isn't about me, we have to destroy Opie to feel.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
Good about ourselves. Right, That's how that works.

Speaker 8 (46:44):
Spy all that I was married, but it wasn't my wedding.
My mom loved having all the attention on her, and
if it wasn't, she would make it so it was.
But if you want more attention for your faces and
ear holds, please go to your favorite podcast platforms and

(47:04):
what are those?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
John Spotify, Apple Podcasts or insert favorite pod app.

Speaker 8 (47:10):
Here, And when you go there, search what John okay
storytime and what will they receive?

Speaker 6 (47:17):
Okay, story time.

Speaker 8 (47:18):
A plethora of dude, you were right, she.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
We just need to get her out of like. This
is a low contact scenario of like, listen, low contact
unless well to be to clarify, to clarify, unless you
are being wheeled into the er.

Speaker 6 (47:35):
I don't want to hear about it.

Speaker 8 (47:37):
My poor partner got the monster mother in law, while
I got well, I gained incredible in laws. They all
told me that when my mom walked down the aisle,
they couldn't believe the dress she was wearing. It was
a casual outside wedding, but she was dressed like it
was five star resort wedding. They knew from that dress

(47:59):
what kind of than she is and refused to have
any kind of communication with her. I hope one day
I can have a vow renewal, but how I want it,
or at least try on a wedding dress that I
picked and have people who love me tell me how
they honestly feel. Sorry if it was too long ago,
you were okay, your mother.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
Is good crazy Wow?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I mean, oh, you see a lot of crazy moms,
A lot of crazy Karen moms. My manipulative mother has
financial demands, so I decided petty was it.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
You took all of her petty cash Ooh, I like that.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
I thirty five female, have had a difficult relationship with
my mom fifty nine female for several years, especially since
I started therapy alone and began healing from some family trauma.
By the way, it comes from okay quit thirty four
to twenty two and you consenting your story to our shash.
So we've tried therapy together, and while it worked for
a while, the positive effects.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Didn't last long.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Once we stopped, she reverted back to behaviors that can
treat to the rift in the first place. She seems
to want me to be the people pleaser. I once
was the person who didn't share my feelings and sacrifice
my time and happiness for everyone else. Thanks to therapy,
I'm not that person anymore. All I have asked of
her is for her to respect my boundaries, take no
for an answer the first time. She's very pushy and

(49:19):
acknowledge or validate my feelings. She often ignores me when
I open up to her, pretending like she didn't receive
my messages, except I know I did. When your mom
leaves you on red she continues to act as though
everything is fine when it isn't. She also constantly acts
like she's the only victim in a situation and refuses
to take any accountability for her actions. We've had many

(49:39):
conversations about this over the years, but nothing ever changes.
She has put me through a lot of emotional slash
psychological abuse, turning our other family members against me and
acting like the victim. I am still hoping the good
in her would show itself again, but I've begun to
realize that it won't unless she feels like I'm basically
complying with her demands. She has repeated the same patterns

(50:03):
in the last few days, ignoring my feelings and repeatedly
claiming she's open minded and willing to continue and willing
to welcome me with open arms, bragging about herself for
doing things a parent should providing food, shelter, attending school functions,
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
You know the usual.

Speaker 9 (50:21):
She's like, I was such an overachiever. I fed my kid,
I gave you food. Remember slop, I think she'll love slop.
Remember when I had that trench that you would just
she was so ridiculous that I stopped responding. Here is
the kicker. She messaged me today wanting me off of
her checking account and demanding that I meet her this week.

(50:42):
I'm on the checking account. It was her idea a
few years ago when we were.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
On good terms, just in case in of an emergency,
and now she wants me off so she can open
a line of credit under her name. Did I mention
that she already has several credit cards and other debts
she can't afford. She already asked me for money once
this year, after treating me like complete crap. I told her, no,
not my circus, not my monkey. So maybe it is
her checking account. I guess we'll see. She wants me off,

(51:06):
fine by me. She claimed that she wanted to also
close it so that quote unquote I could be rid
of her. She always has to be the victim, telling
me how I'm trying to get rid of her. When
she blocked me on Facebook, Wow, that sucks. We only
communicate via traditional text now. The last phone call with
her was an exhausting three and a half hours of

(51:26):
my life and I will never get back. The bank
said that her other option would be for her to
close the account and get a new one with just her.
I told her repeatedly that I'm working and that I
get back to her about scheduling. Her demands continued. I
told her one final time and she agreed. However, part
of me doesn't want to meet her. Part of me

(51:49):
wants to be a little petty and give her a
taste of her own medicine if she messages me any
more demands, so would I be the a hole. I'm
willing to share screen shots if necessary, to accept any judgment.
So I think what OPI's saying here is basically my
understanding of this right now is Mom has this like
emergency checking account that OP had access to.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
It's like, oh, if you run into money or whatever,
you can have.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Access to this, which, in fairness, not everyone gets an
emergency account from mama.

Speaker 9 (52:19):
That is true, You're not doing yourself any fas you're
wasting your own energy.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Your Mom's not gonna change update.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
I have now talked with two representatives from the bank
that the joint account is through. They told me that
the only account where they can remove a joint owner
via phone slash online is a minor's account, and that
all other account types that are joint have to be closed,
and if she wants an account and just her name,
she'll have to close that joint account and open a
new one, or one of us can go in person

(52:50):
to remove me from the account and they confirm that
we both don't don't have to be there. I can
go up there by myself and take myself off the account,
which I can probably do tomorrow. On my life. She's
still arguing with me and freaking out. I'm as cool
as a cucumber because she hates to be inconvenienced, and
I'm giggling. Kih picture Phoebe's evil as from the show Friends.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Haha, I don't know I fight.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
I don't know it either, that right, so oh boy?

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Update number two, she threw an absolute tantrum that I'll
supposedly be able to remove myself from her account without
seeing her. Apparently her goal was to try and use
the bank account thing as an excuse to see me.
I haven't seen her in ten months before. I refuse
to give in too rantics anymore. You would think she
was putting on a one woman play with how dramatic
she was. She demanded to know which location I was

(53:39):
going to and at what time When I told her
I would just take care of it alone, she yet
again played the victim card and accused me of trying
to avoid seeing her. And then she told me that
she spoke to four different bankrupts for my benefit.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Excuse ball.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I reiterated that she did that for herself, since it's
her account.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
You ourshol are trying to avoid your mom though this
is true.

Speaker 9 (54:05):
So like her being like, you're trying to avoid me,
and you being like, shut up, it's like.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Well, she's right, yeah, maybe if anything, maybe you're like, hey,
I understand that you want to meet, but I don't
want to meet because of why. I reiterated that she
did that to herself, since it's her account, she continued.
I told her I was done with this conversation for
the night and stopped responding to her. She continued to
respond like a petty teenager, and I ignored it. I'm

(54:33):
used to her acting like a mean girl by now.
When she gets angry, she acts very childishly like a teenager, petty, vindictive, immature,
and over dramatic. I'm going to remove myself from her
bank account tomorrow if I'm able to wish me luck.
I do believe that the mom is probably a hot
mess to deal with and like not good mom, but

(54:55):
I think that OP is kind of quick to reta
hallie eate with the same. I have to have her
with me physically in person to get my name off
the account.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
I'm so frustrated that I'm crying because I just wanted
to get this over with. She has been horrible to
me over the last few days, and I'm mentally exhausted
and frustrated, and we were told multiple things from multiple
different bankrupts. I guess I'll have to arrange to meet
her at one of the bank locations. I'll update later
and we don't have to wait long because this is
update number four.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
I am now offer account like she wanted. Okay, Sochu's done.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Everything's good now right.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
She messaged me last minute today and told me that
she was going to be there about fifteen minutes after
the agreed upon time.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
Mind you, she had.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Asked yesterday whish location, and I had sent her both
the address and the Google map. I told her that
I would be there at our agreed upon time because
I had a meeting later in the afternoon. She's almost
always light, so I wish I could say that her
lateness surprised me, but she isn't respectful of people's times,
and if she didn't plan ahead, that's on her here
irrespons Her irresponsibility does not equate to my responsibility. She

(56:04):
kept awkwardly looking at me and around the bank the
entire time I started. I stared fixedly at the counter
because I didn't even want to look at her. I'm
still so upset with her for her lack of accountability, respect,
and many other things. When it was finished and we
went to leave, she asked if she could give me
a hug, and we exchanged a very awkward, barely their hug,

(56:26):
and she told me to have a merry Christmas.

Speaker 9 (56:29):
Now seeing a lot of holly, Nor am I seeing
a lot of jolly. I'm seeing a lot of like, eh,
That's what I'm seeing.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
A lot of She doesn't get my big bear hugs
with how she's behaved towards me. Those are reserved for
people that don't treat me like crap, and for people
that actually own up for their mistakes. And the fact
that she tried to act like I wanted to be
rid of her is ironic and ridiculous. Considering she blocked
me on Facebook at least twice this year. Wow, that
dang mom. I don't really know how to feel. I

(56:57):
feel sad and numb at the same time. And Chrismas
is next week. I definitely won't be seeing her, and
I don't feel like we can have a relationship at
this point until she shows genuine remorse slash genuine change
for her toxic behaviors. My partner and I will be
starting our own family soon, and we might get married
sooner rather than later.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
Later.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I'm still not sure if I'll want my mom there
or not. I'm grieving a living person. Not ideal, but
it's the only way for now to stop the drama
and abuse, the mental stress and the situation. By the way,
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Speaker 2 (57:49):
I think my mom's manipulating me, guys.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I disagree, guys,
I'm just kidding. My brain is.

Speaker 9 (57:56):
My brain is like the the goop at the bottom
of a bottle of kombucha.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
So the booch.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
I didn't want it to come to this.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
No child that's the strange from their parents ever wants
it to come to the point of cutting contact or
reducing contact. We don't do it because we want to.
We do it because we feel like we have to
in order to protect ourselves. I didn't want it to
come to this, but it's almost not okay to keep
putting with.

Speaker 6 (58:24):
But it's also not okay to.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Keep putting up with the hurtful comments or snide remarks,
or her crossing major boundaries, or not being respectful of
my time and not taking no for an answer the
first time, et cetera. I'm tired, just tired. Hopefully this
will be my last step day and low and behold
it is.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
With the a'm tar boss.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
It is tired of this.

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Speaker 1 (58:56):
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Speaker 3 (59:02):
That seems a little backwards.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Right about a year ago, my twenty five male best
friend twenty six female I believe, let's call her Kara
got married to her fiance twenty six male let's call
him John, whoa don't at me bro. For a bit
of background, Kara was an only child and grew up
facing a lot of judgment from her mother. By the way,

(59:26):
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Her mother, Karen, was very vain and described herself as
the best of the best. Karen would constantly compare herself
to Kara and would judge on her appearance, grades, achievements,
et cetera, et cetera. Kara, being the absolute queen that

(59:49):
she was, does not let her mother's constant judgment put
her down in any way.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
What a queen.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
She knew her goals and worked very hard in order
to achieve them. Whenever Kara had a setback, her dad
would always be there to comfort and support her, while
her mother scoffed and rolled her eyes. This behavior led
to Kara slowly distancing herself from her mother over the years,
so that she wouldn't have to be bombarded with her
mother's judgment. When we graduated and went to college, they

(01:00:15):
rarely spoke unless it was during the holidays. Fast forward
a couple of years and the pandemic hit. With social
distancing regulations, my friends couldn't have been happier. Eventually, after
restrictions loosened, Kara and a few others went to a
nice restaurant to chat and catch up. As dinner ended,
the waiter informed us that the bill had been covered
by someone else.

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
Oh who could it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Be a little mystery?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
We were all shocked and confused as who paid our bill.
Turns out it was my friend's coworker, John, who was
there with his friends that night, and he had noticed her.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Dude that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I actually have an okay storytime and Riley's literally gonna
spank me. Oh yeah, the story you're gonna be like what.
Turns out it was my friend's coworker, John, who was
there that night with his friends, and he had noticed her.
She had collaborated with him on a project for the
company that worked at and got to know him quite
a bit. We all thanked John for his kind gesture,

(01:01:13):
you're freaking welcome and Kara actually exchanged numbers with him.
Soon they began talking more and more frequently. They began
dating almost a month after that dinner and really connected
with each other. They had shared many common interests, rom comms, animals,
and grew closer and closer each day. When Kara introduced
John to her family, everyone loved him, including her mother,

(01:01:35):
which seemed quite odd considering she judged anyone or anything
that came her way. Karen seemed to be really interested
in John I see you and would interact with him
whenever she got the chance.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
Again, really fishy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Fortunately, Kara told John about Karen's constant judgment, so when
Karen started running her mouth about how perfect she was,
Kara and John would have eventually get engaged. And when
she broke the news to her mother again, surprisingly she
was thrilled. My friend invited me to be the man
of honor, to which I gladly accepted. Throughout the wedding planning,

(01:02:12):
Karen was very critical of Kara's Kara for the wedding,
as if it was her own wedding. To Karen, it
was either the color scheme was too tacky or the
seating chart was all messed up. Even the roles in
the wedding were all wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
And how has nobody been like, Oh my god, Karen,
is this your wedding?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Is this your wedding?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Karen?

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
No, can I speak to the manager of this wedding?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Oh is whose wedding is it? Though?

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
Karen? Oh, it's it's it's my daughter's.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Oh so it's not yours?

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Is my daughter?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
The manager?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Obie says nothing ever seemed up to evil mother in
law Karen standards. Even when Kara was trying on wedding dresses,
her mom had something to say about each one.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Karen at this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Point was barely tolerating Karen and was just so fed up.
Karen commented on one dress, saying that the dress would
look better on her than on Kara because it was meant.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
For a much more appealing woman. Oh oh, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Wouldn't even know what to say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I'd be speechless.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
Oh well, we're not doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I was fed up with her to that at that
point that I asked her if anything appealing would ever
come out of her mouth, because me and everyone else
were done listening to her bowl crap.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah, thank you, thank you fine.

Speaker 10 (01:03:24):
I was about to be like, where is the person
who goes what get out of here?

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Thinking that you can say that talk.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Finally, after she received many bad stairs and side eyes
from the wedding party, even the people at the dress
shop were side eyeing Karen, my friend found a dress
that looked absolutely amazing on her. Right then and there,
she knew that that was the one Kara protested complaining
about the dress, to which Kara.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
Just told her to shut up. Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Fast forward to the wedding and everything is in place
and people begin to file in for the ceremony. We're
literally there at the day of ladies and gentlemen. Note
that the color scheme for the wedding was ocean blue
and turquoise. Karen shows up in a.

Speaker 10 (01:04:05):
Tight race car red dress, of course, not how are
you gonna wear a red dress to someone's wet Hello,
do you know what a red dress does?

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
About fifteen minutes before the ceremony, people are wondering where
the groom is when all of the sudden, someone very
loudly yells for Para's in laws. Kara's dad rush over
to where the noise is coming from. It was from
behind a lock door. We unlocked it to see Karen
topless trying to kiss. Oh no, did you tell her

(01:04:40):
you have this scenario?

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
This is my brother, John.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
I got a wife frye John, I got a wife fry.
He called for help because Karen was chasing him around
trying to seduce him. I was shocked and gagged. The
in laws were disgusted, and Kara's father was furious. Karen
rushed again reclosed while Kara's father was screaming at her,
asking what in the heck happened. I helped John back

(01:05:06):
into the ceremony, and the in laws called for your
security to.

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
Have Karen removed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Well, long story short, she was removed while Kara's father
was yelling at Karen, calling her a cheater and saying
that they were getting divorced. The ceremony had finally begun.
The groom had a smile on his face and Kara's
father had calmed down. The ceremony went well, and the
reception was a blast. We partied, we ate, and we
had the time of our lives. After the wedding, John

(01:05:33):
and Kara's father explained to Kara what had happened before
the ceremony. By the time they were telling her this,
Karen had already moved in with a relative of hers
whoa the venue had sent the father the security camera
footage of poor John being chased around by the topless bansheet.
Kara was livid, called her mom and screamed at her

(01:05:56):
for the constant judgment over the course of her life,
calling her shameless and cruel. After that, Kara's father filed
for divorce. He kept the house while Karen kept a
few personal items.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
That's what we love to see.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Even with Karen's protests, there wasn't really much that she
could get due to the security cam footage. Ever since then,
Kara cut off her mother and her and John have
lived happily in wedded bliss. They've invited me and a
few other people to celebrate the happiness and the downfall
of a witch.

Speaker 9 (01:06:26):
I mean, I'm feeling good. I mean, I feel like
getting the closure afterwards is like, you know, which at
this point, you know, this person's like so it's so
cartoonishly like evil what she was trying to do to
her own daughter. It's like, clearly, you don't you know,
you're justified in cutting this person out of your life,
and you know, I'm sorry you had to reckon with

(01:06:47):
that edits.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I just wanted to add that when John and Kara's
dad told her that Karen did it, it was also
after their honeymoon. A week after the web I have
an update on my friend Kara, whose mother Karen tried
to seduce her husband John at their wedding. I've gotten
permission from Karen and John to Sarah this, so sit
back and grab your snacks to recap. My friend Kara

(01:07:08):
got married a bit over a year ago to her
husband John. Kara has been no contact with her mother,
Karen due to the stunt she pulled at their wedding
until a week ago, Kara got a message on Facebook
from her mother. Her mother created a new account and
said that she wanted to talk, and at first Kara
ignored the message, but curiosity got the better of her.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
She asked John what she should do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
He said that she could do whatever she liked as
long as he did not have to go near Karen Kara.
Kara also asked her father what she should do since
he has also been no contact with Karen as well,
remember they divorced. He said that if she were to
meet up with Karen, she should be cautious and be
prepared for anything. After that, Kara responded to her mother,

(01:07:54):
agreeing to meet at a cafe nearby. Since Kara didn't
want to go alone, she asked me to ac come here.
When we arrived at the cafe, Karen was delighted to
see her. When she saw me with Kara, she got
all tearry, saying how lonely she had been and how
she missed Kara. I smelled something fishy, but I kept
my mouth shut for the time being. As we sat down,

(01:08:15):
Karen began asking Kara how she had been and other
casual questions. Then came the part I was expecting. Karen
had asked if she could have dinner with her and John.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
That's what are you freaking doing? Karen?

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
Was wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
She trying to get a party of three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
She said she wanted to clear the misunderstanding that happened
at the wedding and that she wanted to reconnect with John.
What kind of connection are we talking about? I almost
spat out my drink. Kara said that under no circumstances
would she be seeing or talking to John, since he
especially didn't want anything to do with Karen. Karen complained

(01:08:54):
that it was unfair and that and that what she
did was a moment of weakness and that Karen, she
just get over it at this point, just get over it.
Fuming and I asked Karen if she was crazy. Karen
said that I should just mind my own business and
to keep quiet. I snapped, saying that she should be
grateful that Kara at least met her, considering the fact
that she has been downright cruel to Kara. Karen sobbed again,

(01:09:17):
asking Kara if she was going to let this be
like me speak to her.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
Like that way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Kara said, she agreed with me. That's right, freakin' mama,
you take them freaking freakin' apples. Mom?

Speaker 9 (01:09:29):
Did did you forget that we caught you topless with
my husband at my wedding?

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Did you forget?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Are you stupid?

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Are you a freaking stupid because you sure acting like it.
Kara said she agreed with me and that the meeting
was over and a stay out of her life. As
we left, Karen started screaming at me and Kara, calling
us every name of the book, saying that she'll see
John one way or another. When we got to Kara's car,
she broke down, saying that she really thought her mother changed.

(01:10:01):
So I said that Karen didn't deserve to have a
daughter like her because she was kind and a sweet
person who treated people with respect. And Kara dropped me
off at my place, and I thought this would be
the end of things. Not even a day later, Karen
was banging on Kara's jars, screaming for Kara to get
old herself.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
And forgive her, forgive me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
She was going on and on and on about how
she couldn't hide John forever.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Hey, Karen, I think your technique needs some work there.

Speaker 9 (01:10:31):
When you want people to forgive you, you don't go bang
bang bang, open up.

Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
You crazy. You're crazy. If you don't forget me, you're so.
She was going on about how she couldn't hide John forever.
Gross right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Funny thing is Kara's dad, let's call let's call him
Bruce was over that day along with me and our
friend let's call her Leah. When Bruce opened the door,
Karen was flustered. She told Bruce to move out of
the way and she was coming in. He blocked the
entrance while Kara, John, and Leo were in the kitchen.
Bruce then continued to rip Karen a new one, saying

(01:11:04):
that her giant ego had driven her insane the membrane
and that he was glad that they had gotten divorced.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Hecky, dude, cute the tears.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
Karen was crying and saying that she wanted her daughter back.

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
Please no, I promise, I won't no, I say him
at the wedding new.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
But you know what, you don't have to cry. I
know you don't have to worry, you don't have to
spill tears, you don't have to feel sadness because my friends,
you could spend like ten thousand hours with us with
full episodes of stories just like this Spotify, Apple podcast,
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(01:11:52):
are full two thousand episodes for your facehole. We are
almost at the end of this crazy song. H what
do you think about what's happening.

Speaker 9 (01:12:03):
I'd be right behind Bruce saying go Dad, go yeah,
go Dad.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
Gitter gitter do it so bad? There might be a
bruise like high.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Key if this this is such an.

Speaker 9 (01:12:17):
Ultimate betrayal, Like I don't know if I could even
look at this person as my mom again.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Like that's how bad that that is?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I mean so It's literally it's not only uh, trying
to sleep with your your your husband, not only ruining
the wedding, but it's trying to sleep with your husband
at your wedding. It's just the worst, the two worst
imaginable things combined into one, and it and then and

(01:12:44):
then afterwards too.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
She comes back around being like, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I just look.

Speaker 8 (01:12:50):
Are you gonna let your.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Friend talk to me like that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
I am Hello. Do you not remember what you did?

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
You know? What?

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
How swivel around? You can't shake me around like that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:13:01):
I was like, I was like intins of how I
was adding to.

Speaker 10 (01:13:05):
It emphasis imphasis, emphasis emphastist.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
None of us were having any of it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Karen tried barging her way through, but Bruce kept her back.
While me and Leah stood in front of Kara and John,
Bruce threatened to call the cops boo boo, to which
Karen finally took the hint and left. After that, we
ordered some pizza. Karen John made the choice to file
a restraining order.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
Karen's act reaction wasn't a surprise. At this time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
She tried to contact John, this time begging him to
lift it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
He didn't even bother to respond and blocks her altogether.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Kara and John haven't heard from her in about two
days and are still happy. Our friend group is supposed
to meet up this weekend to go out for a
nice dinner. I'll let you all know if Karen tries
to pull anything else. Okay, I'm just going to enjoy.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
The silent, the silence, and that's that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
That is another Dakota Dare I say another satisfying ending.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
To his story.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
We're good.

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
We're going a lot of those.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
There's just a little chef's kiss of an ending.

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