KRIS JENNER: The Untold Story of Family, Love, and Forgiveness

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
These are, in most cases the fathers of my grandchildren.
I love these men and that love doesn't go away
when we experience really challenging times with them.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Chris Jenna, Welcome to on Purpose.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm so excited to be here. My kids have come
before me to get the lay of the land, and well,
you know, we love you dearly. I'm such a huge fan.
Love listening to the podcast, love listening to anytime I
get the opportunity to see you online giving a motivational
speech or you know, different things that you do. It's

(00:38):
so inspirational to me, and I know how much my
girls love you, so I had to come see for
myself what was going on over here.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, as I was saying, Chris, you and your family
have been so gracious and kind to me from day one.
I am remember the early days of Chloe sharing something
that I'd done in twenty nineteen, or Kendall was starting
to follow me and then connect thing and then Kim
has just been amazing over the last couple of years
and finally getting to meet you. And I want to
start with this because I remember when I came over

(01:09):
for dinner, uh huh, and everyone afterwards like what was
it like in a Chris's house for dinner and like,
And I was like, and it was me, you and Kendall,
And I said to everyone, I was like, I felt
like I was at my friend's mom's house. I was like,
all you wanted to do was make sure I'd eaten enough,
hr was well fed and taken care of. And I
was so touched by just that amazing energy that you

(01:30):
have of making everyone feel at home, making everyone feel welcome.
And whenever I see you, whether it's at a party
or an event or one of our mutual friend's birthdays
that we were just at, I always just feel so
happy when we're talking. So thank you so much, truly,
it means the world.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh well, thank you for having me. It really means
the world to me. And I really enjoyed that night
because I got to know you a little bit more
on a personal level and just heard about what you
were all about, what your intentions are with people, and
how you want to help people and bring people together.
And in a world where everybody's torn apart, especially in

(02:06):
the last decade or so, how crazy everything seems, I
think for us to have that beacon of someone we
can look up to to say, hold on, you know,
let's look at this a different way and try to
find something peaceful in all of it. And so for
that I appreciate you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Thank you. Well, I want to get to know the
Chris oh boy that I believe we forget existed because
today we live in a world where we're so preoccupied
with what everyone does today we forget how they became
and how they were creating. I wanted to ask you,
what's a childhood memory that you remember that you feel

(02:47):
defines who you are today.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Oh, my goodness, a childhood memory, Well, I think you know.
Growing up, I just I was really raised by my
mom and my grandmother and two really strong business women
who worked and showed me that how powerful that can be,
just not just out there in the world to show others,

(03:11):
but for yourself, like how to beat somebody that you
were really proud of, but also provided for their families
and then taught their children and grandchildren how to be strong, intelligent, caring,

(03:33):
you know, loving moms, but also you know, you know,
working women who really were of a different generation. You know,
when my mom was very young, when she was in
her twenties, she had me when she was twenty. My
grandmother was forty, and you know, I was just born,
and so there's always been a twenty year age difference,

(03:56):
and then of course forty years with my grandmother. And
they taught me that working and having a career was
just part of our lifestyle and our family. And that
meant so much to me because they were such an inspiration.
And my mom also showed me what it was like
to you know, get dressed up every day. She loved fashion,

(04:20):
she loved this is how you want to present yourself
to the world every day, Like how do you want
to look when you go to third grade, you know,
or even Junior.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I or high school.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
And it really was something when I look back on
it now, I'm so proud of those two women who
raised me because they showed me what it's like to
you know, have a career and how to take care
of a home, and what it was like to be married,
what it was like to have children. And I know,
when I was sixteen years old, I really realized That's

(04:54):
when I knew I wanted to have a lot of kids.
And I actually had the number six in my I
had at that very early age.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Really, uh, huh.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
I used to think I'm going to have six kids,
and then when I ended up getting divorced and I
had four kids, I thought, boy was I off a
couple of kids, And then I ended up having two more.
But growing up with the family I grew up with,
I felt, I do feel so blessed to have had
a very privileged, caring, loving home and childhood, and I

(05:26):
think it's something that I'll always be grateful for. And
I talked to my mom, who's ninety one, about it
all the time. I think I always thank her for
all the sacrifices and working late, and sometimes, you know,
she wasn't necessarily you know, at home when I got
home from school with chocolate chip cookies fresh out of
the oven and making me, you know, a roast beef dinner.

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But she was there working her ass off, you know,
for me and my sister and for that. And then
my grandmother, you know, lived across the street, so my
grandmother was doing all the grandma things, and so it
really gave me a good sense of family unity, closeness.
You know, it fed my spirituality because I went to

(06:12):
church every Sunday and was you know, had you know,
communion and all the things that you do as a
young girl whose mom is taking them to church every
Sunday and teaching you all the things. And it was
a huge part of my life, that childhood of just
being not only I had so many friends and went

(06:34):
to public school which was down the street. My mom's
priority when I was a child was always moved next
to the school because you can walk to school, So
we were walking to school, not a care in the world.
We had no seatbelts in the cars, driving around in
the back of my mom's My mom had a convertible
tea bird when I was a little girl, and throw

(06:56):
us in the back on a shelf and we'd be
bouncing around. And by the way, I did the same
thing with my kids, Courtney and Kimberly when I had them,
and Chloe and then Robert. Everyone in the back of
the station wagon, no seatbelts, just fifteen kids in the
back section, shoved together like sardines, taking everybody everywhere. So
so many memories of things that were so different from

(07:21):
I remember my first color TV, when and where I
lived in what house I could like imagine what corner
of the room it was in, and how exciting that
was so, you know, I can also remember getting my
first iPhone, you know, I mean, talk about bizarre. You know,
the contrast of the two.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Did you those brick phones, the really big.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh yeah, nineteen ninety nineteen, nineteen ninety one, and you'd
make a call. You thought you were so cool cruising
down the highway with a brick in your hand, you know,
and there was no rules on. You could talk to anybody,
you could talk on the phone while you were driving,
you could eat a burger while you were driving to
on the street. It's amazing all the different changes culturally,

(08:04):
you know, and just personally, just all the different chapters
I've had in my life. It's like every single one
is so clear. But if you take it like the first,
you know, one through ten, ten through twenty twenty through thirty,
and just keep going, it's like there's so many huge,
magical things that have happened in each chapter. And I

(08:24):
think that's the way I look at it now. At
my age, you know, you have so much perspective, and
it changes from decade to decade, So I consider myself
really lucky.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah. Wow, it's incredible hearing about it, because I love
that your mother and your grandmother were just such big
influences and role models in your life. What what did
they do? What were they doing at the time.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
My grandmother was an accountant and then later opened a
candle store called the Candle Ober in La Joya, California,
and my mom opened another candle store nearby under Gararge Street.
And they were entrepreneurs. And they got up every morning
at five o'clock and they had a routine and they
had structure, and they had their coffee and had breakfast

(09:12):
and got dressed like to the nines, you know, like gorgeous,
went to work, worked all day were so you know,
it's very satisfying to in the day with a full
day's work under your belt. You feel like you've really
accomplished something. And I knew that feeling because I lived
it my whole life, so it was kind of embedded

(09:33):
in me that I too couldn't wait to have a
career or start working. I mean, my first job was
I worked in my grandmother's candle store and I was
the gift drapper and I would be I was twelve
years old, and I love to go to work with
my grandmother and my mom, but I was at my
grandmother's store, and she'd put me in the back room

(09:54):
and she taught me how to gift, drap and make bows,
and I was the best gift I could possibly be,
and I made the most beautiful bows in my mind,
on the planet. And she taught me then, no matter
what you do, you do the best job you can
possibly do. If she was the one who I had

(10:14):
to brush my teeth for some reason a lot when
I was young, every time I had anything to eat,
brush your teeth, brush your teeth. But she had this
rule that if you brush your teeth at my grandmother's house,
then you had to clean the sink with like comet
or ajax or one of those crazy things. And I
would scrub that sink like it was like my only

(10:36):
you know, polish, polish polish, and she would sit there
and say, you have the most beautiful hands, and you
have She would just give me these the most sweetest
compliments about and then said you you are really the
best sink washer in the family. And I was like, wow, okay,
you know. So it gave me confidence that if you

(10:58):
really you know, she taught taught me that no matter
how big or small the job, just do the best
you can and you'll be praised for it. And that
just instilled something in me. Yeah, and then of course
I tortured my own children wash the sink the best.
You know, they're like their eyes.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
As you's not.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
No, I'm the best sink scrubbery you'll ever see?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Do you still wrap Christmas presents? Presents every all day?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I wrapped one this morning before I came here. Yeah,
I didn't do a bow because it was a different
kind of a package. But I think my kids really
we have a big contest during the holidays and at Christmas,
it's like who's got the best wrapping paper? But we
don't tell each other what gift drop we're doing. We
like it to be a surprise. Well, I do Christmas

(11:46):
morning and all the kids' gifts are dropped off at
my house and we all have a section like you
know of there and so we know, oh, these are
all Kym's gifts because they're wrapped like. Well, She's stopped
by my house last year because she wanted to check
out how her gifts looked, to make sure they were
positioned perfectly right. I'm like, oh Lord, So she comes

(12:08):
by and little did I know she whips out her
phone and she starts doing like it was either a
live or something on Instagram, and she shows the entire
world all of our packages. So now all the sisters
and everybody knew and.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
What you're yeah, yeah, so she gave it away. Yeah,
and then yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
So these are just all the pranks. I think we
play on each other, you know, constantly, all day long.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
So Kim was trying to expose you, that was I think.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
So.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think she was being you know, she was being cute.
She's always so great.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I love it. I remember, I remember when we were
speaking when I came over. You're talking about you being
an air hostess, as you're one of your own.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
It was a flight attendant, flight attendant.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I went from the candle store and I learned so
much there. And then I worked at the donut shop
by my house in University City in San Diego, and
I would take my job was to get there before
school and before I had to get on the bus
to go to high school or junior high school, I guess,

(13:12):
and I would take a scraper and scrape the glaze
off of the floor that the donuts, you know, when
they were glazing the donuts. There would be this glaze
all over the floor, and I would scrape the glaze
off of the floor. And that was my job every
morning before school. And I then worked at my mom's

(13:33):
store again, and then I applied to be a flight
attendant for American Airlines and that was an amazing job.
But looking back on that, I learned so much from
that job. So every single thing I did, I learned
enormous organizational skills and people's skills and social intelligence, and

(13:56):
you know, some other skills like how to pour a
great cup of coffee and how to you know, serve
people and how to interact with people and personal service
business is incredibly demanding, you know. And now I look
at all of the people in that kind of a
business a different way and have so much respect for
that kind of a career. But I learned a lot

(14:18):
along the way of how to deal with people. And
I think that working from a young age and continuing
up to this day, I learned a thing or two
about so many different things that you wouldn't think would
apply to later in life. Tell me some of this,
you know, well, just I mean organizational skills for one,

(14:38):
and how to keep calendars and how to be on time,
and how to be fifteen minutes early, and how to
negotiate and how to get what you think you want
or deserve from an employer. I know, one of my
things I talk about is if somebody says, no, you're
talking to the wrong person. And I learned that if
I got a know from these three people in ski scheduling,

(15:00):
for example, with American Airlines, then I would go to
another person and you know, try my best charm. You
know that I could possibly think of, you know, of
what were all the reasons why I should fly this
flight to get to la you know, to see who
I wanted to see. And you just hone different life

(15:22):
skills at the different things you do at a young age,
especially in the workforce, and it's really amazing. You never
quite know what or where life is going to lead
you and where it's going to be. The best lesson
you ever learned. And that's what just to expect nothing

(15:42):
but breathe in everything. Like just like I was, so
I was like a sponge and I think I just
had to surrender to the process, if you know what
I mean. It was just like I knew instinctively I'm
on a learning journey, and I'm going to get the
most out of these experiences that I possibly could. At

(16:04):
the time, and I knew that. I really did know
that intelligently and in the moment, and I don't know why,
but I just knew I had to pay attention.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, I think there's such an important lesson in what
you're saying for everyone who's listening. I feel like we've
done a disservice to a lot of young people today
where we believe it's all about finding the perfect job
or launching the perfect company, right, And actually, from your experience,
what you're saying is I learned a lot from the
candle store. I learned a lot from scrapetas floors. I

(16:36):
learned a lot from being a flight attendant. It's like
each of these experiences, even though they weren't your perfect
job or your ideal life, there were really valuable lessons
that have made you the powerful, incredible.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
It developed who I am and was at that time
and then came to be all through each decade. And
the more I, you know, went through life and was
knocked down or brought up or had you know, experiences
and had these things that I went through, I think
added to. But I also believe that everything happens for

(17:10):
a reason. I'm very spiritual. I pray about everything before
I do it, and I learned that a lot about
that from a very young age, and it just really
has helped me through so many great times and so many,
you know, challenging times. But I also think that I

(17:32):
come from a place now in this decade of great gratitude,
and I think that's what people don't always experience daily.
I think it's been a learning experience for me. Of course,
I'm grateful. Of course I have gratitude for everything that
my life is, this beautiful life with my beautiful family,

(17:53):
and I couldn't ask for more. But to really be
conscious of being grateful has been something I've worked on
for the last few years and try to be more
present because we can be so easily distracted, and everybody's
going so fast, and I feel like everybody needs to
slow down, you know, it's so fast. And I see

(18:16):
the younger generation, but I think the younger one then
the next one down from Kindle and Kylie. I don't
remember what they're called anymore.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Gen Z and gen Alpha Okay, Alpha, yeah, Alpha, I
guess it's alpha, right right, I think the gen alpha.
It's like I wish you could just slow down and
experience and be in the moment a little bit more,
because I always struggled with that. I always onto the
next something to look forward to. That distractions are everywhere,

(18:48):
and so then you don't feel what you're living through
or going through. And we're so busy taking photos of
it or videos of it, we don't sit and feel
it or enjoy it. I remember I went to the
sphere the other night and it was a Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh, well, I want to see that.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
It's really good. And I was there with my girlfriend
and I now, mind you, I was ten years old
or nine years something when at the first time I
saw the Wizard of Oz and or that I remembered
it and enjoyed it. And I've seen it one hundred
thousand times, so I didn't need to video anything. I

(19:27):
knew what the movie was about, Like what am I doing?
And I caught myself and I why am I filming
this whole thing? Like I want to sit and experience it.
And that's just a good example of how I think
that a lot of us go through life is trying
to capture the moment when we can just slow down
and feel the moment, you know. And that's what I

(19:47):
want for me and my family because we do get
very distracted and it goes by so quickly in a heartbeat.
And I think that's what when you're my you want
to scream that from the top of a mountain. You know,
everybody slow down and enjoy every second, because all of
a sudden it's gone, and you know, everybody has to

(20:10):
figure it out for themselves. But that I wish, you know,
because I've had all these different decades to compare it
to and have a different perspective every so often every
few years. That's one of my notes to note to self.
Just try to enjoy it and not get distracted by
the noise. Yeah, this is a lot of noise.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
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(22:07):
You were making me think about. There's a meditation practice
that I love that I practice when I feel i'm
disturbed by the noise. And it's really simple. It's called
five four three two one, and it's let me look
at the five things I can see. So you look
around this memory and you look at the colors and
the texture.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
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Speaker 2 (22:26):
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hand or your mother's hand, it could be the clothes
you're wearing. The texture that you can feel, whether it's
smooth or harsh. Then it's three things you can hear,
two things you can smell, and one thing you can taste.
Oh wow, And anytime I've ever done this, and I
was thinking about a particular moment. I went to Bhutan

(22:48):
last year and I was actually teaching this meditation. I
can close my eyes today and be back in that
place in Ah. I love that because it was so real,
because you took it in and so yeah, to really
to really let it sink in, it's such you're you're
absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, you know, I think somebody of my age has
a different perspective because I spent you know, when I
was twenty two years old, I got married and twenty
three had Courtney, and you know the rest is history.
But there were no cell phones, there wasn't a computer.

(23:25):
There wasn't a laptop, there wasn't an iPad, there wasn't
music on a little box. There wasn't If you wanted
to talk to somebody on the phone, you had to
walk into the kitchen and dial a plastic telephone. And
if you wanted to know what was at the movies,
you dialed a number like whatever it was, and you
found out what was playing at the movies. And if

(23:46):
you wanted to know what time it was, you dialed.
I think it was five five five one two one two,
And if that's right, I will be so excited about
my memory. But it was, you know, a different time,
and today, with so many things that just supply instant gratification,

(24:09):
it's extremely seductive, and I think that it's it's something
like I think about it all the time, and I think,
what a different world, but yet such progress, such amazing.
The world we live in is wild and amazing. I
mean when I was a young girl, a little girl,

(24:31):
I used to watch the Jetsons kind of remember that,
and it was sort of intimating that by the year
twenty twenty, we would be flying in cars around the city.
You know, we wouldn't even have cars that were on
the road anymore. And so you know, we're almost there. Yeah, almost,
but it you know, we used to imagine this modern

(24:51):
world and here we are. So it's very exciting. But
you never know what's going to happen next. I mean,
I worry a little bit. I worry a lot about
my grandchildren and social media. That scares me a bit
because it can be so dark, and I really want

(25:12):
them to have the best parts of anything. I mean,
in life, there's good and bad, but in this case,
you know, I worry about that. I just want them
to and I think their moms, you know, all my
kids are really responsible about trying to control screen time
and all of that. But it's different, it's a different place. Yeah,
there's a lot of noise.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Absolutely. Yeah. You're approaching your seventieth birthday. Yeah, just so exciting.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
And what an incredible molestone. What's this chapter of your
life called? If you can name it, what would it
be called?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Oh, my goodness, the best, the best chapter. I'm happy
to be here and to really have this beautiful family
and just enjoy the ride because, like I said, just
to be present at this time and place. I did
learn a lot from my family from my grandmother and

(26:09):
my mom, who both worked and said they were in
their eighties and I saw.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Wow, yeahble.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
And my mom often says she retired when she was
eighty two, and she often says that really kept her
so purposeful. And we all want to find that life
of purpose, but for her, it gave her a great
purpose and it gave her great joy, and she was
so satisfied with the work she did every day and

(26:38):
got to you know, I think when somebody has structure
and has a schedule and has something to look forward
to and has something like that in their life and
feels needed and wanted, useful and useful, and that's a
very good feeling. And I think that's that's the road

(26:58):
I'm going to go down. I just want to, you know, be.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Never never, No.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I love what I do, and I often say this
wouldn't be as easy without my entire family and doing
what we do together, because you know, there's a lot
of people out there that have, you know, a job
in entertainment or in the media or whatever it is,
and they have a big career and they do it

(27:31):
by themselves, and they're the only one in their family
who has that kind of a career, that kind of
a job, and I thought how lonely it would be
if there is just one of us. It would be
so hard, And so I feel super blessed that I
have this incredibly fabulous family and all this love and support,

(27:53):
and it makes it really a very sweet life.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, what a special achievement to have that. How have you?
You know? One thing I've noticed spending time with all
of you and having as I said earlier, Kim, Chloe
and Kendall have all sat in this chair preparing it
for you. There's there's such a love between everyone and
the family, and of course there's the fun of the

(28:19):
what's the right word, the fun of the teasing each
other and the bandage. But at the core of it,
it's it's so evident that there's love and it's real
and it's and it's and it's genuine. How do you
create a family in which competition isn't a negative thing
and growth is everyone's focus, Because I think what we

(28:39):
see across the world is, you know, you have six children,
but it's like people may have two and then you
have one person who really ambitious and driven and one
person who just wants to eide away. Whereas you've got
a family of people who are all ambitious in different ways.
They all have their own fascinations, their own passions, and
they're pursuing it to the best their ability, which is
such a beautiful thing to see. How how do you

(29:00):
create that energy? What does that require?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I think, first of all, when they were very young,
I think they learned so much from the examples set
by their dad or just myself in different areas, their stepdad,
their family, their friends, and we've always had a huge
group of family friends, and I think they watch and
had great examples set before them. But I think that

(29:26):
one of my biggest and strongest desires in my path
to the success that they've had is just really helping
them along the way identify what was really important to them.
And they were passionate about and we threw a lot
of spaghetti at the wall. Believe me, it was crazy.

(29:48):
But when they finally found their destiny, their passion, the
opportunities that came their way that they wanted to embrace
and were so happy about, you just feel when something's right,
and that makes me really happy. Every time I felt
like somebody found their their their thing, you know, their

(30:13):
their passion was was that strong that they were able
to really make this something they wanted to focus on.
And the determination, the energy they put into it, their
work ethic is second to none. And they would get
up with this you know passion every day, you know,

(30:34):
getting up at five and you know, getting into the
gym and taking care of their health and their well
being and then at the same time having kids, raising children,
getting to work. You know, it's just they all have
such focus and determination, but they also have great structure.
They're organized, and then they learn how to find their

(30:56):
peace at the same time, which I think is really important.
And I think that's something that Courtney's really good at that,
and she's taught the rest of us, you know, like
wait a second, you know there's you've got to you know,
find the peace and all of it too and protect
your soul. Yeah, you know, so that's been really really important.

(31:19):
I think it's just working together, encouraging one another, and
when someone is successful, we're all so excited for that
person's success, no matter how it comes. And it could
be the smallest little you know, not everything moves a needle,
and it can be the smallest little wind and we
get really happy for each other. Like last night when

(31:42):
I was blonde. All of my kids this morning were screaming, Mom,
and then Kim goes, did you dye your hair? And
I said, yes, of course I didn't dye my hair,
but I had her going for a while.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah. We were trying to figure out this morning when
they were going to get blonde hair of that care.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
So it's fun to work together. It's fun to you know,
go through challenges together. It's awful to go through really
bad times together, but we're together, so it's important, and
it's you know, when we get to celebrate each other

(32:17):
over the smallest things or the biggest things. I think
the kids are just happy for each other and there
really isn't any jealousy, which makes me really proud, you know.
And they're very vocal and loud when something bugs them
or when something needs to be said. Don't you worry.
They're there, my loudest voice at times in my head.

(32:43):
But we all I think we're just all happy for
one another, and we know we're doing this together. And
somebody's success in my family is sort of a halo effect.
I feel like it is good for everyone, and you know,
especially business wise, but it's just really good for all
of us personally because we get to see each other

(33:04):
grow and thrive and evolve and elevate different things, like
we'll get notes to each other. Okay, well this was great,
but if you only did this, it would be so
much better. So everybody you know is a backseat driver, yeah,
or what do you call it? Sideline quarterback? Yeah, everybody's
weighing in on everybody else's stuff. So it's fun. It

(33:27):
makes it a we're our own little you know we
have I have thirteen grandchildren. Imagine that's a lot of humans,
and we have an amazing little, you know bubble that
we live in and that we are so dedicated to
one another and very loyal and looking for that piece

(33:48):
that we can surround ourselves with when we can with
family time.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, I just wanted to acknowledge how how hard it
is to do that.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's it's hard.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
It's so hard to be able to create a non competitive,
non envious, non jealous family space system. I think it's
it's not easy. Yeah, whether it's happened naturally because of
all these great values, or whether it's happened through hardship,
it's probably the most significant achievement that one could ever
have is it's lovely.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
It really is lovely, and I'm so proud of them
for being there. And if somebody gets into trouble or
somebody you know needs help with anything, everyone is right
there to jump in and make it okay. And it's
it's interesting that you know, they're very, very loyal and
very protective, and they surround each other with a lot

(34:41):
of love, and the fact that they're also amazing parents
is the biggest gift. I watch them as my son
has a daughter, and everyone except for Kendalls, you know,
has a son or a daughter or both, and they're
amazing parents. And I often sit and tell them. I'll

(35:04):
sit and watch Kylie or Chloe, all of them, Kim
Rob Courtney, but I watch them with their kids and
I just take it all in and I say, God,
I wish I would have been this good as a
parent with you, because I feel like they take it

(35:24):
to another level. I've never seen anything so amazing, literally
in my life. I talk to my mom about it
all the time. I go, can you believe the way
they do this and that and the other, And my
mom and I are in awe of what great parents
they are, and I think they are. You know, people
ask me all the time, how do we keep our

(35:45):
kids as close or how do I? And I think
it's just the time you spend and what you focus
on and the way that you, you know, spend time with
your kids and and show them that you're never going
to you know, I didn't have kids to on their
eighteenth birthday kick them out of the house. My girlfriend

(36:08):
used to say, you're too nice. You know, you're not
their friend, you're their mother. And I looked at her
and I said, oh, no, I'm their friend because they're
going to be eighteen one day and I'm not going
to be left out of this big, beautiful life that
you know that I want to have with them.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
How do you love someone that you don't agree with?
How do you love someone that you have got something
with that didn't work out? And by the way, I'm
saying this because I've had private conversations with you where
you've talked to me about these things and I'm r
gown away by it. Right, So I'm like, how do
you love someone even when something hasn't worked out the
way you wanted to? Right? Because I know it's deep
for you. That's what I'm asking.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, I think you start with communication, and I think
that's where you have to start to really feel and understand. Cry.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Sorry, I don't know why I'm emotional about this, but
I think you just have to understand where somebody's coming from. Sorry, Jay, Okay,
is there a tissue you guys? I don't know why

(37:27):
that hits so hard, But I think communication, I think
compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be
going through, even though you don't agree with them. If
you once love them, then love is love, you know.
And I always fall in love with people, and then

(37:47):
if they disappoint you it Sorry, I don't know why
I'm crying. See what I said, It's right there under
the surface. Sometimes you just get me. But I think
communication is I pre communication, And I think if if
somebody's misunderstood, I get on a soapbox sometimes to try

(38:08):
to say no, no, no, you just don't understand. You know,
this didn't happen like this and they really didn't mean
it like this, or you know. I'm always the one
who tries and communicates that.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
But I think, God, what's wrong with me? But I
also think that compassion. If you don't have an open
heart and you're stuck with trying to understand someone, you

(38:41):
will be lost forever until you can try and see
and forgive. And I think if people can't come from
a place of forgiveness, then they'll be stuck forever. You know,
you have to be open to understanding what's someone else
is truly all about. And why I stand up for

(39:07):
people who are the underdog. At times it makes me
really sad that they're the underdog. And I feel like
some people get really misunderstood, and I think that we
all need to stand up for each other, especially when
we need it the most. And that comes from a conversation.
It comes from a communication, It comes from a compassion,
and it comes from forgiveness. And if you can't learn

(39:30):
to forgive someone, whether it's their behavior, their words, their actions,
you know, I think my kids tell me all the time,
I'm a very forgiving person, like a mom. It's wild
You're just like this person treated you this way or
that way, or you experience this with this person, and
I try to see where it came from, what is

(39:52):
the root of this, why are they acting this way?
And then again, if I can't change it. I can't
control it. I can't control somebody else or their actions, right,
you can't control other people. So you know you have
to either ignore it, fight for it, help explain it,

(40:15):
help communicate it, and forgive it. I don't know, I
don't know how else. That's how I live my life.
And if somebody, you know, a lot of people are
struggling and there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
You know, it's.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
Sorry, you just need a second, I'm sorry, Okay. So
there are a lot of people out there who struggle
with their mental health and we don't know some times
with the differences because we're not inside their brain or
their body. So who are we to say, you know

(41:07):
that somebody's not really struggling sick, you know, having a
hard time, And there's so much of that and not
really immediate answers and help for everybody. You know, when
you can't figure it out, sometimes you think how does
everybody deal with this?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
You know? So that's I don't know. I have a
lot of compassion for people that are in a family
where there's mental health issues. It makes me really sad.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, it's something definitely trying to support and help, and
I'm glad you need to here, because it's.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Oh, it makes me. I mean I sometimes I you know,
hear about people or you know, hear about what somebody's
going through and I literally don't even know them, and
I'm in tears and it just breaks my heart because
of the situation right now that we're in, and I
think we make it worse for one another, you know,

(42:09):
the criticism, the negativity online and the struggle that a
lot of people have and the amount of suicide for
young people. Yeah, I mean it's truly heartbreaking, and I
hear stories and it just really is so upsetting and

(42:30):
that it you know, I struggle with that in my
heart because I just wish there was more that we
all could do just to love each other and be
there for each other, and maybe there was a way
that we could help in a bigger way.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
It's very confusing.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, yeah, we just I literally just had the head
of suicide from Harvard on the show. Really yeah, I
just interviewed him maybe a month ago, oh wow show,
and it was so illuminating to hear just how much
help people when mental health or thoughts are even seeking.
But even in that yeah, just how like how hard

(43:11):
is and how heavy it is, and I think heavy.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
So it's heavy in my heart and I don't have
an immediate you know, child or family member that's struggling
with that at the moment, and I think about it
for some reason a great deal as if you know,
maybe there's some way to There's a lot of things,
a lot of issues that I right now I'm in

(43:38):
the process of focusing on and getting more information on.
One of them is dementia and Alzheimer's. And that's why
I love doctor Amon so much because he's such an educator, absolutely,
but the mental health thing is very confusing to me
because it's so I don't feel like my in the

(44:01):
chapter I'm in in my life right now that I've
ever experienced this volume of people that are hurting and struggling,
And yeah, is it probably because our communication is enhanced
with being able to see it all on the internet
and you know all of that. But it's still a lot,

(44:22):
and it does get very heavy and it heavy in
my heart. It does.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I'm not definitely offline about that to see, Yeah, you know,
it's I feel the same way. It is why I
invited Matthew Knock from Harvard and I'm so so glad
because because I couldn't agree with you more. I was
just hearing so many stories and learning of so many people.
And he told me that his friend committed suicide, even
when he knew his friend was the head of no. Yeah,

(44:52):
we're studying that like so, and he said, I just
didn't know, like we just didn't know. No one knew,
no one knows, no one knows.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
And that's what the the tragic part of it is.
And there's been so many times when I mean even
you know, parents of my you know, kids, friends or
you know, there's always one degree of separation, and it's
you know, every single person has something like that or

(45:19):
they know about it, they've heard about it a close
friend happened or right in their own family, and it's devastating.
I know people that have lost people close to them
and there's just no closure there for a lot of people.
But how they get to that place is really a struggle. Boy,

(45:41):
Can we talk about something happy? How did we get here?
I'm crying, I'm hysterical, a mess. Let's talk about disney
Land or something.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Are you a disney fan?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, you know it's the happiest place or not.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
It is definitely is. I went last week with Courtney
our Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean and the Haunted
Mansion because they just opened it for Yeah, and I
go to Disney. I work for Disney. I want to
be white. Yeah, all of it.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I love it. Yeah, I'm excited to go to the
Epic Universe and Universal. Oh yes, they just opened they
opened it with the new Harry Potter World and all
the rest.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Wait, is that Disney.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
That's universe a university. This is not. It's theme park world.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
That's your that's your thing.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Have you been to the Star Wars ride Disneylands?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So good? Yeah, it's insane, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
So oh there you go. See we have something else
in common?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
We do?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
We do? I am, I'm completely I've completely drank the
kool aid on Disney.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Is the happiest place.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Every day, happiest place on earth?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Chris.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
When we've spoken offline, I've always been blown away by
how you've When you keep talking about family, I think
people think, oh, yeah, they're six kids, right, But to you,
the family is even your kids' exes.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Right, Yes, partners, Yes, people.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Like it grows. Even if one of your children has
been through something really difficult with their partner or an
ex partner, you still love them as part of the
unit and the family. I do, and that is incredible.
Talk to me about how you expand that radius of
care and love.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
First of all, I believe in my heart and in
my soul love is love. And I fall in love
with people and have lives and years spent with their
partners or their boyfriends or their husbands, and have all
these memories and travels and Christmas mornings and celebrations and

(48:01):
birthdays and all the fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears,
the babies. These are in most cases the fathers of
my grandchildren. And I love these men, and that love
doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them.

(48:25):
It just doesn't turn off like that for me. And
I think that goes back to communication, compassion, forgiveness, and
moving through that so you can get to a place
where they know they can always come to me. Every
one of my kids' exes know that they have an

(48:46):
open door, and I think that's how I was with
my kids when they were little and I got a
divorce and I got married to Bruce, and when that happened,
Robert knew that he come walking in that back. It
took a couple of years, but it was what I
had learned from people that were in my life in

(49:07):
previous years. I saw the co parenting skills that other couples,
two couples in particular, But these two couples handled their
experience of how they loved their kids. It was all
about the kids. Because if you sit and berate your
partner over and over and over again to the kids

(49:28):
or your ex partner, your ex boyfriend, your ex husband,
you know it's their dad or it's their stepdad, or
that you can't do that. It really creates so much
damage psychologically, emotionally, physically, spiritually, all of it. The children
don't know how to process that kind of It's a grief,

(49:50):
it's a separation. So my goal with my children was
always their dad comes for Christmas morning, and we spend
New Year's together and birthdays and celebrations. Robert Kardashian came
to Kendall and Kylie's first birthdays and he was there
for every celebration, and they called him uncle Robert. And

(50:11):
he walked through that back door whenever he wanted, knowing
there would be dinner on the table at six o'clock
and he was always welcome. And it's the same way
I now treat all of my kids' exes, which a
lot of people don't understand because if they treated them badly,
but we've all dealt with those issues internally and privately,

(50:32):
and we don't need to talk about these things anymore.
It's been done, it's dealt with. We've done it, we've
talked about it. We all know what happened, you know,
we've had it on the show or whatever's happened in
our lives. Now it's time to grow the fuck up,
be mature. And I love who I've loved, and I

(50:55):
don't like what they've done, No I don't, but it
doesn't make the love get any less overnight. And I'm
there for them always. And these are the fathers of
my grandchildren. What would my grandkids think, you know, twenty
years from now if their grandmother treated their dad poorly

(51:17):
or I wasn't loving and kind and compassionate and forgiving.
So I teach my kid's forgiveness. It's one of the
biggest lessons that I can teach them to forgive somebody
who's treated you badly and.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Move on.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
You may not completely forget, but you need to forgive.
You need to let it go. It's not good for
your soul. It's too much pressure on your heart, you know.
And I do love them, and I do love who
they are, and I love their families. It's like with
Travis Scott. I'm close to Travis, and I love his

(51:55):
mom and his dad and his sister and his brother.
They're family to us and we share celebrations together. And
same with Tristan who comes walking in the back door
and has you know, hey, Mom, what's up? You know,
I'm like okay. So they're always around and we embrace them.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
You said that before you start something, you pray. I
do wondering what does that prayer?

Speaker 1 (52:23):
It's Dear God, please you know, surround me with your
angels if I'm doing something that's dangerous, or when I
go to bed at night, and just help me to
see that what you want me to see and be
the person that I need to be today and just

(52:43):
help me through these difficult times. Or I come to
God in my prayers with lots of gratitude and thankfulness
for the life that I have, or just the ability
to help somebody else, because I think giving back is
so important, and my girls and I talk a lot
about that and just that we've been given so much,

(53:04):
and to whom much is given, you know, much is required.
And that to me is something that I was taught
very young. And I just pray about safety. I pray
about peace, not only in my heart but in the world.
I pray about my family constantly and their safety and

(53:25):
the grandkids and you know, all the things. And I
really it's important to me to calm myself before something
important and really think about it and be thoughtful about
it and be prayerful about it and then be grateful.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
For it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
That's my routine every day. But I wake up with
a prayer. Thank you for waking me up, thank you
for giving me another beautiful day, Show me how you
want me to spend my time today, and help me
through these seventy five thousand meetings and zooms I have
to do. And then thank you for protecting me tonight

(54:09):
when I go to sleep, and bring me some peace
and so I can recharge and be there for somebody else,
because if.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Get yourself ready for and get that energy going for
the next day to your tank is going to be empty.
And I can't really run on an empty tank.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, well said, well said. Is there a truth that
you feel or a lesson? Is there a lesson Chris
that you feel? Life is God to teach you the
hard way.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I think that the challenges are growth. I think when
I go through something that's really hard, I have to
remember to be grateful for it, and I have to
remember that it's part of the process and it's what
got me here. Because, by the way, if you just
started your adult life at eighteen and just got everything

(55:03):
you wanted, I think that it would be a very
different life. It would be full, it would be harder
at the end of the day. But I love the
things that I've I wouldn't change anything that I've been
through because it's taught me so much, so many things
in my life, decades worth of things. You know that
you think back and I think, what were the hardest

(55:27):
the hardest times you know, and those are the times
that really, I think for me personally, I experience the
most growth as a person. And believe me, I've made
so many mistakes, and you know, I'm not always right,
and I have to apologize to somebody, you know, all
the time if i'm you know, I'm I'm human and

(55:49):
I'm definitely not perfect and I'm flawed. But I just
try to learn something a little bit different and be
a little bit better every day.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
What's the lesson that you feel you're really realizing right
now in your seventy years that's kind of at the
forefront of your mind, a principle or a lesson that.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
There's probably a couple. I'm trying to be more patient.
I'm trying not to lose my temper over things that
don't matter and that I can't control, because I know
that I have a purpose. I know that I have
this beautiful life and this beautiful family. So just relax.
When you can't control something, who cares. It's not going

(56:32):
to change anything. Me getting upset isn't going to change
a thing. I can renegotiate, I can talk to somebody calmly,
I can try to deal with things that the challenges
that come up day to day, and if I can't
control it, I've got to let it go. I've got
to say to myself Okay, you know it's funny, do

(56:54):
you know, doctor Amen?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, of course. Yeah. He's been on the story of
four or five times.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Oh, I love him so much. So I talk to
him from time to time. And he said, what's on
your mind today? And I says, you know what's on
my mind is I keep thinking I'm a complainer and
I've my daughter Chloe has really brought this to my
mind top of mind and said, Mom, you've got to
stop complaining about nothing, like you have the most beautiful life.

(57:20):
And I go, I know you're right. I'm a control freak.
So when you're a control freak, like my idea of
a great Saturday afternoon is rearranging my drawers, it gives
me peace, It helps my brain. It helps me to
get organ I'm a very organized girl, so to reorganize
everything just to I don't know, blow off some steam

(57:40):
helps me to relax. It's my form of zen. So
when I can't control something, it I get annoyed, like
the littlest things like why did that person do? Like
that doesn't even make any sense. So common sense isn't
very common, as we all know, right, So I always
say that, and so so doctor Amen, said, I'm going

(58:01):
to give you the rule of twelve. He goes, you
have to wait until something goes wrong for the twelfth
time and.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Then you can let loose. And I said, oh, I
love that.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
And so of course somebody forgets a bag, so we
have to wait, you know, whatever half hour for somebody
to go back drive somewhere. Then somebody forgot a passport.
Then you know, it went like that for a while,
right and one by one, okay, number one, and I
just smiled, you know, tried to breathe. Number two, Okay,

(58:33):
I'm going to distract myself. I'll get on Instagram or something.
Right then number three, you know, and I kept trying
to distract myself from being cranky. Got to number twelve
and I thought, okay, next one, I'm going to you know,
shit's going to hit the fan. And of course number
thirteen came and I just went okay, And it really

(58:56):
helped to put me in my place a little bit,
like like nothing's this serious, Like why are you complaining?
What do you have to complain about? And then just
trying to find your piece, inner piece where you feel
like we've all had days. I know everybody's had the
day that they wake up and they realize today is

(59:18):
such a great day, Like everything's going right, my family's healthy,
I have money in the bank, I can pay the rent.
I this relationship is going really well, and I have
lots of friends, and everything's just coming up roses. And
that's the feeling that I love to have and recognize

(59:42):
when it comes along. So that feeling of gratitude and
gratification and just thankfulness, like thank you God for all
of these wonderful things. But it's not just about oodles
and noodles of blessings. It's about a feeling, do you know.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
It's about really recognizing how special that is. And sometimes
it doesn't come along every single day, so you have
to appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, you've got to look for it. You got to
find that feel do Yeah, you got to find that feel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
You have to find that feeling and then really kind
of just you know, let it sink in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yeah, you're reminding me. There's a tool that I love.
It's called the perspective scale. So if you looked at
your life from zero to ten, Zero is the way
you feel when you wake up and everything's amazing, and
ten is you wake up and the worst thing possible
could happen? Are you all the opposite right now? If
you looked at the today's problem of someone forgetting their

(01:00:39):
bag to the airport, yeah, it's like a two on
that list. Yeah, because compared to the worst day ever,
it's nothing. But when you don't have that perspective, everything's
a ten. Everything feels like a ten, Like the meeting
that felled through, the person they show up, the text
you got that you didn't want to. It's like everything's
a nine or a ten. And when you look at
it in perspective, actually that's just a one. That's a one,

(01:01:01):
it's a two. Yeah, it's you know what, and it
just lets you what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
You can't control it. So what are we going to do?
Just get ourselves all twirled up? No, I can't do
that anymore. I'm too. I want to protect my peace.
And that's part of what I talked to doctor Aimon about,
is protecting my peace and just showing more kindness and
more generosity and more just being the kind of person

(01:01:27):
like my grandmother used to say, you better treat others
the way you want others to treat you, know, And
so of course and also she always said, if you
don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.
And that's what I want to plaster across my Instagram.
It's such a different world.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
It's a great rule to right, great rule.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, they still hold true all of these decades. They
all do, they all do?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I have a lot of them. And no, I mean,
you know, you can lead a horse to water, but
you can't make a drink. I mean, all those silly ones.
And my kids make fun of me all the time
because you say it to that I'm old fashioned.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Well though I was about to say, just so, just
so everyone knows how organized Chris is. She game here
thirty five minutes early today, like thirty five minutes early.
No one does that. And Kendall, Kim and Chloe never
been late to the podcast, never late to an event,
didn't like It's just everyone operates so professionally. There's so
much respect for everyone else's time and energy. Yes, and

(01:02:27):
it's and it comes from that place. It's not just
a check box. It's like whenever I've spent time with anyone,
whether it's with Kim and Chloe in India or you know,
whatever it may be everyone's always on time, and the
energy's right, and everyone's excited, and there's excited to be there,
excited to be there and to be I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Love the girls because they love to build other people
up and they have this great group of friends. And
to look at these humans that you know, I've you know,
just just so very proud of the women and the
man that they've become because they make me so happy
and they have, you know, very happy lives because they

(01:03:07):
have each other. I mean, not everybody can have six kids,
but it's a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, it's a raise, but.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
It certainly it makes for a really, you know, amazing family.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
How did you make sure you got to know them
all individually and intimately in a way that you could
guide them towards their passions and help them find it
because that's such an individual process. It is, it's such
a personal thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
It's I think with the first four, I was lucky
enough to not be working through the pregnancies or raising
them when they were small, and I took that time.
And then later when I was you know, I really
came into this growth and you know, television success. When

(01:04:00):
I was fifty two, when we started our show Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I know, and people, by the way, thought that we
just sort of appeared out of nowhere. And I had
a life for a couple decades, several decades that I
was very immersed in Hollywood and knew everybody and had
this beautiful life with Robert and then Bruce at the time,
and you know, just had this glorious, you know life

(01:04:30):
together with my kids and really experienced so much with
them from when they were babies and they were always
doing things and in sports and we went to everything,
and you know, it was just a typical childhood for
them that they were involved in everything and we were
right there, you know, as you know, having a front

(01:04:52):
row seat to their childhoods. And that makes a big difference,
you know, when you're just all in a thousand. I
had some friends who didn't experience what I experienced, and
the difference in the outcome and how their kids were
raised versus you know, there are differences, it's like, and

(01:05:13):
it's not just about somebody who throws themselves into, you know,
one of their kids. It's definitely how a child's makeup is,
you know, you know, they're individuals. But what was so
fascinating for me was how different every every single child was,
Like I had my first baby, and you don't know

(01:05:34):
what to expect with number two. One is like one.
Two is like twenty for me. That's how it was
for me, And it was very overwhelming to have two
and I thought, oh, what's one more, you know, and
then it just kept going. But I think what you
don't expect and what people would say to me at
the time, people that were my age but didn't have
any kids or one kid, and they would say, Wow,

(01:05:56):
how are they so different? And they were just obviously
had their own, you know, amazing personalities and all the
things that come with that, and just learned each one
little by little, yeah, and just were part of each
other's you know, obviously DNA, but it truly like they're

(01:06:20):
just the biggest part of my heart.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
But it's it's so interesting to hear that that having
that time with each of them and having that quality
time in those early days, and I assume you'd build
up the skills by the time you had Kindle and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
A break had like an eight year break in there.
And so when I had Kendle, not only had the
world change and the you know, I mean there was
a time. I mean I had a good, solid decade
when I had like three high chairs lined up and
you know, strollers and two car seats, and and then

(01:06:55):
I went through a stage of having a little bit
of a break with being pregnant and then started all
over again, and everything changed. There were telephones, there were computers.
It was huge, a huge change in how everything worked.
And nineteen ninety five came along and Kenda was born,

(01:07:16):
and then I really had another chance at sort of
continuing my family with Kendall and Kylie, and thought, oh,
now we need another one because you don't want Kendall
to grow up kind of so far apart in the gap.
So we had another one. And Chloe was like my

(01:07:36):
angel because Chloe really helped me. She was ten, maybe
or eleven, and she really helped me with Kendall and Kylie.
Because now at this point, I've got a full time
job and I've got to figure out how to keep
the lights on truly, and I thought, oh, this is
like so from morning till night, working and trying to

(01:07:59):
make it, you know, a career was very interesting, and
that little Chloe was like a little mama's helper with
everything with feeding and bathtime and you know, help me
babysit on the weekends. I was in the house, I
was in my office. But you know, if I said,
you guys play out here, I'll be right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
But was such a great set of hands and such
a she gave everything to those girls. Wow, and really
helped me with that so that I'll always be great.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Was her. That was ural, That was her right energy
that she had.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
I could have called Chloe at ten years old and
said we're having folks for dinner tonight, can you just
throw on a little something for dinner and set the
table for eight ten people? She would have nailed it.
I mean, she was something else. She still is just remarkable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
That kid beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
But yeah, so you know, if I hadn't had the
older ones to really help me with the younger ones,
it would have in a lot more difficult. But that's
what great big families are. So that's why they're so special.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
You're promoting big families, Chris, that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Everybody get out there and have some kids, some kids.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yeah, that's what we need.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
It seems so thoughtful though, like you were like, all right,
I don't want Kendall to be the last one who's
left alone, and so we'll have like there's there's so much.
It's intentional.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It was very intentional, very intentional. Yeah, I didn't want
somebody to be left without there, Like it was Courtney
and Kimberly, and then it was Chloe and Rob who
were still connected at the hip. They're both all of them,
and then it's Kendall and Kylie. Yeah, so they all
had their little I had different litters, they had different pals.

(01:09:42):
You know, it was it's really and I just I
felt really good about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah. I love that it goes through the kids to
go one thing that each of them have taught you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Okay, Courtney taught me probably how to be a mom.
She was my first born, and she was you know,
she gave me a run for my money because she
was very caliky, and that was interesting and very challenging

(01:10:30):
for you know, those long nights and all of that.
So that was like, oh, okay, this is what it's like. Okay,
and you would do anything to make her life and
have her feel better. And you know, this little tiny
thing that was you know, really had an upset tummy
for nine months at least and then I wanted to

(01:10:52):
do it again. Kim taught me multitasking, and Chloe taught
me probably oh, I mean, they all taught me love.
But Chloe united everybody and taught me a lot about
how grateful I was for humor because she was so funny.

(01:11:16):
And then Rob the same. Rob was just a joy,
but he was the boy. You know. Robert Kardashian Senior
came from a big Armenian family and they were praying
for a boy from day one, so you know, it

(01:11:36):
was always, you know, I hope it's the boy. I
hope it's the boy, and it's going to be Robert Junior,
blah blah blah. And I was like, okay, it's a girl,
you know, another girl, another girl. And so when Robert
was born, it was like all the Armenians were rejoicing.
They were My mother and father in law were so

(01:11:57):
happy and all their friends. And I remember she ran
to the hospital with this beautiful broke diamond broach that
she gave me, and I was, you know, it was
so joyful, and it was like New Year's Eve, you know,
and it was a celebration. So that was really special,
and it taught me a lot about their culture and

(01:12:21):
how to celebrate on another level and all of the
experiences that because suddenly, when Robert was born, the Armenian
side of my in laws really kicked in over at
my house. You know, it's like, we're going to make,
you know, these Armenian meals and I'm gonna show and
we're trying to teach the kids to speak a little Armenian,

(01:12:41):
which you know didn't go that far. They're not fluent
or anything. But it was a lot of fun to
learn about that and finally to have the boy that
they had been hoping for for all that time and
then so that was joyful. He taught me a lot
about what that meant and what you know, having probably

(01:13:03):
what they considered, you know, more of the head of
the family because I had a son and what that
was like. That was just such a beautiful experience to
have a boy. And then Kendall, I think taught me
a lot about patience and serenity because I had two
miscarriages before I had Kendall, and that taught me a

(01:13:25):
lot because you think you're invincible, I'm just going to
pop out another baby, and then you don't, and it
becomes a little bit of a struggle, but when she came,
you know, it was just so amazing too, and it
made me realize how appreciation. I think a lot of

(01:13:46):
that lesson too, was how much I appreciated and then
sat in awe of all the other times I had
done it and thought, Wow, this is not just so
easy for everybody. And by that time, when Kylie came along,
I also appreciation and just joy. And I got just
stational diabetes very badly, and I gained about one hundred

(01:14:09):
pounds and that was hard, and it taught me a
lot about patience, and it taught me a lot about
being healthy and healthy choices, and the world was changing,
and a lot of my friends at the time we
were all in our forties. I had Kindle when I

(01:14:29):
was forty and I had Kylie when I was forty one,
and that when you do that in your life after
having four other children, that's very you know, it's a
decision you're making. It's very intentional, and you don't just
accidentally pop up and get, at least for me, get
pregnant for no reason. And so it was very intentional

(01:14:53):
to add to my family. And Kylie taught me a
lot about being grateful and having gratitude for all of
my children because now that I'm in my forties, a
lot of my friends were also in their forties, and
everybody was struggling with infertility, that hadn't had a baby yet.

(01:15:14):
And here I was on my you know, fifth and
sixth and you know, and some people were really struggling,
and I thought, wow, so grateful that this had been this,
this was my journey. So I felt like, very grateful
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
That's beautiful. So sorry for your loss, I mean those
two miscarriages. Yeah, I mean I've had a lot of
my friends in the last twelve to twenty four months
have experienced miscarriages, and I feel like people are starting
to talk about it a bit more now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
You grief, It's a terrible thing that you do because
it's so silent almost you know, it happens, and people go,
were so sorry. And I carried that for months, months
and months. You know, you still think about it from
time to time, but don't dwell on it at all.
Just grateful that I am and I got to have

(01:16:03):
my journey and my experience, and my kids are thriving
health wise at the moment, so you know, you just
have to be there and support and love on the
friends that you that go through that, and that that
was a lot of my friends were experienced around that time, and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
That was real.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
That was a big moment for me during those years.
It wasn't a moment. It was several years of just
just trying to be there and being supportive and being
a friend and trying to go to doctor's appointments and
you know, doing different versions of IVF and all these
different medicals. But by the way, we're just becoming something

(01:16:52):
that worked. In those years, like it was very still
very new and thirty years ago, almost years ago, and
I just always would hold my breath when one of
my friends would get pregnant again, you know that it
experienced loss in such a difficult way and praying, and

(01:17:14):
then every time one of my girlfriends would have a
baby after a long journey, I would go to the
hospital and we would celebrate and it was just yeah,
I remember doing that quite a few times.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
So anyway, yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Thank you for sharing that. It's I think it's going
to be useful for a lot of people to hear
that because it's I don't think it's ever going to
get easier when people go through something. No, it's always
going to hurt, and knowing that others are going through
it is probably the only thing right help.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
It's devastating to people that have tried for so long
to have a baby and it just doesn't happen for them.
And that used to break my heart because I always
experience the joy and that joyful part of it. I
never really had the side that ended very sadly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
I had.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
I mean, I had a couple of experiences that was,
you know, traumatizing to say the least at the time,
But I went on with a happy ending. And some
people don't get that happy ending, and that always used
to break my heart, you know, to have anybody struggle
with that. But now, my goodness, there's so many amazing,
you know, ways to overcome just due to all the

(01:18:28):
new technology, all the things they're doing now and the
way people are using surrogates. That's such a wonderful gift
to be able to give someone. I used to think
when I was really young and not thinking it through.
After I had a couple of kids, I said I

(01:18:49):
would I was watching something on TV once about a
surrogate and by the way, we're talking nineteen eighties, and
I used to think I would do this for somebody.
If somebody like it would well, I would do this.
And then you know, then a few minutes later, you're
like Chris, snap out of it. But no, I used
to think that, truly. I used to think that would

(01:19:11):
be a great thing to do. So I really do
admire women who give their life to somebody for a
couple of years, basically of helping them carry a baby.
I just shout out to anybody who's ever been a
surrogat what a beautiful, sacred gift.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
And now, from your position of having this wisdom and
being in this place in your life, what's a piece
of advice or wisdom that you're sharing with each of
the kids. What's the different lens or direction that you're
giving each of them right now?

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I think be kind, treat each other with love and kindness,
and everyone that you encounter, and you never know what
somebody's been through or what they're going through at the
moment or that day. And if people are you know,
cruel and nasty. We talk about that a lot lately,

(01:20:03):
just about the you know, the way people can get
worked up online and some of the negative energy there
and just really trying to not listen to the noise,
don't read that kind of stuff, and try to be
more joyful and just to be there for one another

(01:20:25):
because all we have is each other. That's all we've got.
It goes by so fast, and it's especially when you
have kids you realize how fast time goes by. And
Kylie shared in our group chat, our family group chat,
a picture of Stormy yesterday and I haven't seen her

(01:20:46):
in a week, and I was shook. I was like,
this is just going by so fast. She's you know,
she grew afoot what's happened here? So I think just
to appreciate the moment and drown out the noise as
much as you can and love each other as hard
as you can because you only have this one life

(01:21:07):
and it goes by really fast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Yeah, you keep talking about this interview, that's drowning out
the noise, and yeah, there being so many disturbances.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
You have to Yeah, because there's so much going on.
I have so much incoming constantly in my life. You know,
there's always something to look answer to, look at a contract,
have a zoom, do a beautiful podcast. There's always so
much to choose from, and so many beautiful things we
can do, But there's also a lot of it's work,

(01:21:39):
but it's stuff we need to do, or it's conflict,
or it's something you need to deal with personally. There's
always something you know going on during the day, and
I think you have to edit, edit your life and
really focus on what you want to put your energy into,
put your heart, your soul into, put your love into,

(01:22:03):
and then edit what you can get rid of to
find some joy and some peace in all of it,
and through all of that be grateful.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
What I love learning about you more and more the
more time we spent together is that I feel like
you're this incredible powerhouse, amazing business person, incredible strategy. About
the heart of it, there's this really soft, loving, soulful,
you know individual And is that how you see yourself
when you feel most seen for people who know you

(01:22:37):
the deepest and the best? Yeah, how did they see you?
What did they see?

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
I think the way you described Anyone who knows me
knows I'm just a big baby and I'm a big
softie and I cry at commercials. I will literally have
it right into the surface at all times. But then
I go to work, and I'm like, okay, listen, no,
I'm really not, but I'm you know, I love what

(01:23:01):
I do, and I know that through experience and time
and you know, just all the things we've been through,
you know. I try my best every day and try
to get through the day with as much integrity and
the best character I can, you know, put out there
and be myself and do what I think is right,

(01:23:24):
and teach my kids to be good human beings and
my grandkids and just have so much fun and enjoy
every minute.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
And yeah, you did it right, Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
I don't know, you know, listen, I make a lot
of mistakes throughout my life and during the day, and
you know, all of it, you know, just like everybody does.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
That's normally.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
But I think if we just go out there and
put our best foot forward, like my mom used to say,
my grandma used to say, and do our very best
and be the best sink scrubber you can possibly be,
You're going to be. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
I love that, Chris. We end every on Purpose interview
the final five. These questions have to be answered in
one word to one sentence maximum, so you have a sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
For each Okay, I'm responding to your word.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Yeah, I'll ask you a question. You can have a sentence,
you can have a sentence. Yeah, So Christianity is your
final five. The first question is what is the best
advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Lead with your heart.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard
or received?

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Probably somebody telling me how to raise my kids, and
then I do the exact opposite, and I think I
did it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Because you disagree with that. Yeah, what was some of
that bad advice? Like what kind of things did people say?

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Just you know, when you're going through life and people
are telling you, you know, different ways to just you know,
approach a problem and how they would handle it. And
I've always just done my own thing. Yeah, I think
you have to re really go with your intuition and
your gut when you're raising kids, or you know, any

(01:25:06):
any real important decision that you make in your life.
You have to follow what you like, your your soul
tells you to do. And I've been really I think intuitive,
you know about what I think is right and wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Question number three, what do you feel your soul is
here to experience right now?

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
I think I have a strong purpose in raising my
family and raising great kids and created a legacy that
I pass on to my grandchildren and their children and
just showing and learning from one another my family. I

(01:25:50):
think it's all about my family. I was born to
be a mom and help them find their passion, their truth,
their joy, their their legacy, and so I have a
lot of I'm so proud of that that gets to
be my purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
So it's so clearly what it feels like you were
born to do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
And I feel like that, Yeah, I feel so strong.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
And it's amazing that you're thinking about not only your
grandkids but their kids and oh yeah, like you really
do think about generational.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
I think I'm a very sentimental person. And I made
an app for my family that we have all of
our home movies from the time they were born and
they're up on the screen and I try to think
of really interesting things to give them about their childhood,
and you know how what they can do for their kids,

(01:26:47):
and you know, it's just it all comes back to
the kids, the grandkids, and is celebrating, is celebrating anything
is so special in my family and being able to
celebrate Christmas and Thanksgiving and Halloween and fourth of July
and Valandi like everybody's birthday, it's every month there's something

(01:27:10):
really big that happens around our crew, and I think
just having that joy and that to look forward to
if it's just being together and like you were saying,
you're celebrating your special time with your life and that's
something that you're looking forward to and you can't wait.
We feel like that all the time because there's so

(01:27:32):
many of us, and so my purpose here is to
be this you know, conductor of all of those stuff
and to teach it to all of them and then
they'll teach it to their kids and their kids they'll
teach it to their kids, and you know, just the tradition,
the sentimental times, the memories, the scores of photos that

(01:27:57):
I used to put into albums before there was ever
an I phone, and you know that all means so much.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yeah, question numb before you are obviously there for all
of them. What do you still go to your mother for,
who's ninety one?

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Everything? I talk to her every day on the phone.
Really we help each other with what we're going to watch.
She loves Dateline as much as I do, so we're like,
what murder mystery or we're going to watch tonight and
then she'll say, Okay, I was sad today, so we're
going to watch a comedy and we'll say, okay, which one?
And so we have great fun, just you know, doing

(01:28:31):
that together, even though we're She lives a mile from
my house. I try to get her to move in
with me, but she refused. She's so independent, which I
admire and love, you know. And she lives part time
in La Joya down in near San Diego, and she's
got beautiful views. So she sends me photos every day

(01:28:51):
of how much she appreciates the ocean and her surroundings.
And you know, we just have great fun together.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
One ninety one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
It's amazing. Yeah, Yeah, it's beautiful what she passed down.
Your grandmother passed down, so it's already been three Did
they have that as well or were they the ones
to start it off?

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
I think my grandmother she started it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Yeah, she started it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Yeah, so lucky me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
It's already been five generations.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Lucky me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
It's amazing. Fifth and final question, Chris, we asked this
to every guest who's ever been on the show. Okay,
the question is if you could create one law that
everyone in the world had to follow. What would it be?

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Love one another?

Speaker 6 (01:29:36):
Simple?

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Simple? Why do we find it so hard?

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
I don't know. I don't know, but that's mine, that's
my advice.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
I'm so grateful to you for your time, your energy,
you know, sharing your soul. I'm waiting now all I
was thinking about this whole time while you were speaking.
I was like, we need a Chris memoir, Like, we
need all of the these incredible stories of you scrubbing
that donut floor.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
And yeahs the glaze of the gaze of the floor.
I am the best donut glaze, scraper washing, and the
us we need.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
We need a memoir from from the from the matriarch,
you know, we need it. We need a memoir. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
They're silly stories and something that you know most people
won't you know, think are significant, but they were growing
up and you know that's everybody's life is so different,
and that's you know, part of mine. So I'm grateful
for every moment.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Yeah, will you impact millions of people across the world.
So your story matters for people to know how you
became who you became. And I'm grateful that we could
share that chapter here and celebrate your upcoming seventieth birthday
and just you, so grateful for you your family, and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
We're grateful for you. And I'm proud of you for
spreading all the messages you spread around the world. And
everybody listens to you and gets such strength and knowledge
and comfort and hopefully turns their lives around in some way.
And that's a very special position to be in. And

(01:31:12):
you know that's your very special man. So thank you
for all that you give to everybody in the world,
including me and my family. So thank you, Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
You're the best. If you love this episode, you'll enjoy
my interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how to change
your life by changing your brain.

Speaker 7 (01:31:31):
If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with
a healthy brain.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:31:37):
I've had the blessing or the curse to scan over
a thousand convicted felons and over one hundred murderers, and
their brains are very damaged.

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