November 16, 2025 • 20 mins
On this episode of Our American Stories, every Sunday, Our American Stories host Lee Habeeb speaks with Mitchel "Big Mitch" Rutledge, who has spent more than forty years serving a life sentence in Alabama. Each call traces the shape of faith, regret, and forgiveness inside a place built for punishment.
In this fourth installment, Mitch reflects on what love has meant to him after decades behind bars. It wasn't romance that changed him, but a friendship that grew slowly and taught him what genuine care looks like. That bond opened his heart to a different kind of truth that he began to find in the books of the Bible. As he turned to his daily readings, the stories of endurance and redemption took on new meaning. The lessons of those Bible stories guided him toward forgiveness, both for others and for himself.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is Lee Habib, and this is our American stories.
This next story is about a friend of mine. We're
close in age, but have little else in common. Mitchell
Rutledge aka Big Mitch, was born black and poor in Georgia.
I was born kind of brown and middle class in
New Jersey. He never met his father. I still talk
(00:34):
to my ninety four year old father every week. He
dropped out of high school in his early teens and
was illiterate into his early twenties. I was surrounded by
books growing up and finished graduate school in my early thirties.
Big Mitch spent the last forty four years of his
life in Alabama prisons for killing a man. But this
(00:56):
is not a story about an innocent man sentenced to
prison for a crime he didn't commit. Big Mitch never
denied the crime or made excuses for it. This is
the story of my friend's spiritual transformation while serving his
life sentence. It's also about a friendship. Only God could
(01:17):
have engineered a friendship that began with a single Sunday
morning call. Through these weekly conversations, I hope you come
to know and love him as much as I do.
Welcome to Sunday Mornings with Big Mitch. Here's episode four,
My Conversation on February fourth, twenty twenty four, where Mitch
(01:38):
has his first encounter with true love.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is a free call from an incarcerated individual at
Alabama Department of Corrections. To accept this pre call, Press
one to refuse this pre call, press too. Thank you,
Producing Securis. You may start the conversation now.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Every summer she'll come down and visit me and stayed
a couple of months down here and go back to California.
And hey, this right here was like I couldn't believe it.
You know, I'm going on the visiting yard, I'm calling people.
So God didn't really just change my life. Now I'm
(02:24):
learning how to read a little better. Now I can
spell a cat, cause before that I couldn't even spell
a cat. I don't be honest with you, And to
be honest with you, I couldn't even spell. My last
name is the r U T l E d g E.
But before I learned how to read and write, I
was spelling my last name wrong. So it's just God
(02:47):
that changed my whole life. And she stayed in my
life until she played for thirty three years thirty four
years by break for God. So now I got somebody
saying that they loved me. You see, Oh my mama
loved me. I just I just know that. I knew
that my grandmama loved me. I knew that. I knew
(03:08):
my great aunt Douville loved me. I knew that. But
they didn't really just kill me. So I thought loved
when nothing was just a joke. It's not real. So
when she said she said, well, God sent me in
your life. I love you and I'll be here to
help you. Well it sound good, but okay, you don't
(03:31):
really know. So in six months now we're talking on
the telephone and I got somebody to call. I got
somebody to kill again about me.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Big Mitch and I talked a lot about a lot
of things, and one of them we love to talk
about what stories from the Bible so important in the
story of Big Mitch and so many millions of people
here in America. Here's Big Mitch on the story of
Peter and lessons on the Devil's deception from Sister Lilian.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I ran across the situation. I would read one day,
and I mean that was Matthew Chapter sixteen, verse twenty
one to twenty three. And that's when Jesus called his
disciples around him until them say, Hey, I'm going to
go to Jerusalem, and this is what they're about to
(04:26):
do to me, and so on and so on. And
Peter pulled him aside and told him said, Master, this
is not going to happen. What you said is not
going to happen. In other words, and Jesus said that
I rebuke you. Get be behind me, Satan.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Last you said you would going to Jerusalem, and in
Jerusalem they would kill you. If that's true, then it's
our duty to keep you from going. You must not
allow it to happen. She was thinking as men think,
not as God thinks. It's definitely speaking through you.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Get it behind me. Said now he wasn't taken to Peter,
to person Peter, because prior to that verse chapter sixteen,
verse seventeen eighteen, Jesus said that he was gonna build
his church upon this rock, which is Peter. So he
(05:36):
and Jesus don't make no mistake, God don't make no mistake.
But he recognized the spirit, that enemy spirit that was
trying to deceive God. And so when I realized and
began to investigate and study that verse particular, after my
God the enemy trying God and he came through. The
(05:58):
individual was that God said that he was gonna be
a his church home. So then I began to think.
I said, okay, because I'm around a men praiser. There's
so much deceitfulness and kind and and manipulation and all
kind of stuff going on. So I said okay, And
(06:18):
I began to tell guys what I received from that,
And it's this. And we had to be mindful of
what we hear at times from the individual that's closest
to us. In other words, I give you an example.
Let's say you have an addiction problem. You had an
alcohol problem, and you and your friend you have a party,
(06:44):
and this is your best friend, and he know that
you have an alcohol problem. But this particular time he
calls you say, hey, it ain't gonna hurt you to
take one drink just trying. It's not like you're gonna
do it every thing. And you know, and you look
at your friends, you say, well, why would he say
that or why would she say that? Knowing what I
(07:06):
just came through, knowing what I just almost lost. So
what have you knowing almost aws, my job, my family
and what have You're gonna tell me to take a drink. Well,
that's not your friend talking to you at that time.
That's the endemy, that's Satan. But what it does, he'll
come through at that moment with a whisper and a
(07:28):
word to deceive you. And if you are not spiritual incline,
if you don't have a connection with Jesus Christ, if
you don't have that relationship with Christ, where the Holy
Spirit in you? And you'll be able to recognize because
you'll know because you even read the Bible, and you'll
know that, hey, this is not my friend talking to me,
(07:51):
because my friend wouldn't tell me this. So you you know.
In other words, you said, well, you don't get mad
with your friend. You don't feel your friend trying to
deceive you. You don't feel your friend is trying to
hurt you. You understand what can you follow us here
understanding the best staying in the world. So you understand
through the Holy Spirit in you that this is the
(08:14):
dea of a talking to me. This is the intimate
trying to deceive me to get me to drinking again.
And he used it. My best friend to do it.
You got to best create this spirit. Oh you don't,
you'll be deceived. And it's leading.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And you've been listening to Big Mitch and that's Mitchell
Rutledge and he has spent almost his entire grown life
in various Alabama penitentiaries. And I got to know him
over this year through these series of conversations. I felt
the deep pull on my heart for you to get
to know him too. His story of redemption, of forgiveness.
(08:54):
It's a remarkable thing. When we come back more with
our Sunday Mornings with Big Mitch series episode four here
on our American Stories. And we returned to our American
(09:41):
Stories and episode four of Sunday Mornings.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
With Big Mitch.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Let's pick up where we last left off.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I have a reader about Joe, and Joe cursed to
say that he was born at one point because of
all the trial was a tlation that came upon him.
And at one time when I was on death row
and I was going through so much, and I looked
back over my life and how I had came up
(10:12):
as a child, and I came from an abusive environment,
you know, not necessarily physically, but I should have went
through what I went through as a child, and so
I'm sitting on death row and I'm reflected back on
all of that, and I said, wow, So I cursed
the day that I was born. I said, well, I shouldn't.
I should have died, you know, while I was in
(10:34):
my mother's womb. You know, I felt that way that
at that time because with my life had yield. Looking
back on it, A lot of people talk about Joe.
Satan tried Joe because God was branding on Joe, and
Satan told God, I said, well, he's serving you and
(10:58):
doing everything that you want him to do. His because
you gave him everything you want, said, well, take everything
you got and he'll curse you to your face. So
God told Satan, said we'll go forth and do everything
that you choose to do to him, but don't get it.
And that's what Satan did. And so that situation right there,
(11:21):
I launched something about Joe. Joe felt entitled because it
took the youngster. Allows you to tell Joe that God
didn't owe him no explanation. Joe wants to know why
God was doing him like that, that he deserved that
(11:43):
that I don't deserve to be treated like this. I
shouldn't go through this. A lot of people said, well,
you know you had the faith that Joe. Well, yeah,
Joe had faith. But at the same time, when you
read closer, Joe felt like, hey, I don't deserve this,
and he ily told him that God don't owe him
no exponation. So in other words, a lot of peoples
(12:06):
will be like Joe, you know, well, I haven't did
anything wrong. I go to church, I pay my tithes,
I don't do anybody wrong, or what I have you
What I learned from that situation right there, is that
peoples are like that in life. Well, I don't deserve it.
Why God don't help me? Or why God, I haven't
(12:28):
heard anyone. See, God don't owe nobody no explanation for
whatever happened to you if you're a child of God.
And Joe teaches us not to complain. But Joe complained,
but he wouldn't curse God. His wife told him to
cursing and go ahead on and die. So Joe told you,
(12:48):
talking like a fool. We get a lot of listens
from the Bible, and Joe did complain about what was
going on in his life, and a man of God,
you'ren't supposed to complain. Now, is that beyond being a
human aid? I don't know, because you know people will
(13:10):
complain about things. But I think that we need understand
one thing that if you believe in Jesus Christ, and
you trust Jesus Christ, if something going on in your
life where something bad and happened to you, your child
is seek, your wife is seeking, your mother's seeking, your
other men's sick or what have you, whatever the trial
(13:32):
and trivilation that didn come upon you, then you just
pray and don't blame God. Joe felt that God wasn't
treating him fair. Well, I ain't. That's something where human
being can said God ain't treating them fair. The judge
and the district attorney denied my hearing, said that I
(13:57):
didn't even deserve a hearing. And once I heard that,
it hurt everybody that was in my corner. But when
I heard that, I was disappointed. I was so disappointed,
but I immediately began to pray. I immediately didn't blame God.
(14:24):
The only thing I said where God got something eff
from me. So Job had the faith. But Joe and
a lot of people don't like to talk about it,
but Joe complained he felt like he was entitled not
to go through nothing in life, and that's why he
(14:44):
felt he felt like he shouldn't shouldn't have been had
to go through nothing because of who he were, that
he was blameless. Why am I going through this? I
haven't need anything, I shouldn't be punished. And a lot
of people feel that way. But hey, God, you never
know what God does. Just deal with it. And so
(15:05):
at the end, God blessed themselves time more because he
didn't curge him. That's the main thing he didn't do.
He still believes in God, but he felt that he
was entitled not to be treated that way, and peoples
to this day feel that way. But you have no
control over what may come your way. There's a lot
(15:29):
of guys ain't with me. They throw me into town.
God tell me, said, well, minch man, you are strong,
you know God give me a lot of accolades. Now,
big minch man, you're a strong dude. Man, you still
got your right mind. You hanging in the hell. You
ain't you ain't this? You ain't God? I said, where
is Jesus Christ? Really is this Jesus Christ? We cannot
(15:51):
subvide nowhere and society, especially in here to go Christ,
we need him to make it from one d to
the next day. We need him to overcome, say we
need him.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
As we wound down our conversation, Big Mitch talked about
a turning point in his life and it had everything
to do with the word forgiveness. Here's big miss Forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Is a corner stone of maybe the next transition from
one point to the next punt. And because if you
can't forgive, whether forgiven yourself of forgiving others, then you're
a stagnated You're stationary right there, and you can't be healed.
(16:47):
And you can't heal without forgiveness. So that's one of
the reasons God asks us to forgive. And then God
the main thing God say, if you don't forgive others,
then how can you be forgiven? You know, I think
a lot of people uh overlook that uh you know
is that uh they are so unwilling to forgive, but
(17:11):
at the same time they won't forgiveness and and and
and and forgiveness is like I said, it's the essence
and cornerstone to be able to move from that position
to the next position. And to not forgive. It's like
(17:32):
a counsel because it issues up. It's it has you
angry and upset and and and builder and it's destrawing you.
Like when I laid down at night in my bed
and I'm in here and uh, when I understood, you
know what I need. Uh. This person had a mother, father, brother, sister, kids,
(17:59):
you know. And when I realized what I did, it
just they were hard to go to sleep that night.
They were hard to function. So I had to get
that out of me. I had to forgive myself. So solace,
you used to tell them all the times that will
mention God to forgive you. So now you got to
forgive yourself. I had to forgive myself for a lot
(18:19):
of things. And the only way I made is where
I am now. I was able to forgive myself for
what I did. And once I was able to forgive myself,
then I was able to be able to function better.
I was able to grow in a more positive and
productive manner because I didn't have that burier upon me anymore.
(18:44):
I'm free of that God to forgive me, I to
forgive me. Now I can move forward in life, and
now I can feel positive influence in other people's life, and.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
A terrific job on the production, editing and story telling
by our own Greg Hengler and our own Reagan Habib,
And my goodness, the degree to which Mitch's life intersected
time and again with stories from the Bible, and how
those stories informed him and improved him and made him
(19:17):
see things clearly. And the biggest lesson of them all
had to do with one big word in all of
our lives, forgiveness. Everybody wants forgiveness, but my goodness, to
be able to forgive, and sometimes just to be able
to forgive yourself. And my goodness, Mitch had killed a man.
Sunday Mornings with Big Mitch, Episode four here on our
(19:42):
American Stories
This is Lee Habib, and this is our American stories.
This next story is about a friend of mine. We're
close in age, but have little else in common. Mitchell
Rutledge aka Big Mitch, was born black and poor in Georgia.
I was born kind of brown and middle class in
New Jersey. He never met his father. I still talk
(00:34):
to my ninety four year old father every week. He
dropped out of high school in his early teens and
was illiterate into his early twenties. I was surrounded by
books growing up and finished graduate school in my early thirties.
Big Mitch spent the last forty four years of his
life in Alabama prisons for killing a man. But this
(00:56):
is not a story about an innocent man sentenced to
prison for a crime he didn't commit. Big Mitch never
denied the crime or made excuses for it. This is
the story of my friend's spiritual transformation while serving his
life sentence. It's also about a friendship. Only God could
(01:17):
have engineered a friendship that began with a single Sunday
morning call. Through these weekly conversations, I hope you come
to know and love him as much as I do.
Welcome to Sunday Mornings with Big Mitch. Here's episode four,
My Conversation on February fourth, twenty twenty four, where Mitch
(01:38):
has his first encounter with true love.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is a free call from an incarcerated individual at
Alabama Department of Corrections. To accept this pre call, Press
one to refuse this pre call, press too. Thank you,
Producing Securis. You may start the conversation now.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Every summer she'll come down and visit me and stayed
a couple of months down here and go back to California.
And hey, this right here was like I couldn't believe it.
You know, I'm going on the visiting yard, I'm calling people.
So God didn't really just change my life. Now I'm
(02:24):
learning how to read a little better. Now I can
spell a cat, cause before that I couldn't even spell
a cat. I don't be honest with you, And to
be honest with you, I couldn't even spell. My last
name is the r U T l E d g E.
But before I learned how to read and write, I
was spelling my last name wrong. So it's just God
(02:47):
that changed my whole life. And she stayed in my
life until she played for thirty three years thirty four
years by break for God. So now I got somebody
saying that they loved me. You see, Oh my mama
loved me. I just I just know that. I knew
that my grandmama loved me. I knew that. I knew
(03:08):
my great aunt Douville loved me. I knew that. But
they didn't really just kill me. So I thought loved
when nothing was just a joke. It's not real. So
when she said she said, well, God sent me in
your life. I love you and I'll be here to
help you. Well it sound good, but okay, you don't
(03:31):
really know. So in six months now we're talking on
the telephone and I got somebody to call. I got
somebody to kill again about me.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Big Mitch and I talked a lot about a lot
of things, and one of them we love to talk
about what stories from the Bible so important in the
story of Big Mitch and so many millions of people
here in America. Here's Big Mitch on the story of
Peter and lessons on the Devil's deception from Sister Lilian.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I ran across the situation. I would read one day,
and I mean that was Matthew Chapter sixteen, verse twenty
one to twenty three. And that's when Jesus called his
disciples around him until them say, Hey, I'm going to
go to Jerusalem, and this is what they're about to
(04:26):
do to me, and so on and so on. And
Peter pulled him aside and told him said, Master, this
is not going to happen. What you said is not
going to happen. In other words, and Jesus said that
I rebuke you. Get be behind me, Satan.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Last you said you would going to Jerusalem, and in
Jerusalem they would kill you. If that's true, then it's
our duty to keep you from going. You must not
allow it to happen. She was thinking as men think,
not as God thinks. It's definitely speaking through you.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Get it behind me. Said now he wasn't taken to Peter,
to person Peter, because prior to that verse chapter sixteen,
verse seventeen eighteen, Jesus said that he was gonna build
his church upon this rock, which is Peter. So he
(05:36):
and Jesus don't make no mistake, God don't make no mistake.
But he recognized the spirit, that enemy spirit that was
trying to deceive God. And so when I realized and
began to investigate and study that verse particular, after my
God the enemy trying God and he came through. The
(05:58):
individual was that God said that he was gonna be
a his church home. So then I began to think.
I said, okay, because I'm around a men praiser. There's
so much deceitfulness and kind and and manipulation and all
kind of stuff going on. So I said okay, And
(06:18):
I began to tell guys what I received from that,
And it's this. And we had to be mindful of
what we hear at times from the individual that's closest
to us. In other words, I give you an example.
Let's say you have an addiction problem. You had an
alcohol problem, and you and your friend you have a party,
(06:44):
and this is your best friend, and he know that
you have an alcohol problem. But this particular time he
calls you say, hey, it ain't gonna hurt you to
take one drink just trying. It's not like you're gonna
do it every thing. And you know, and you look
at your friends, you say, well, why would he say
that or why would she say that? Knowing what I
(07:06):
just came through, knowing what I just almost lost. So
what have you knowing almost aws, my job, my family
and what have You're gonna tell me to take a drink. Well,
that's not your friend talking to you at that time.
That's the endemy, that's Satan. But what it does, he'll
come through at that moment with a whisper and a
(07:28):
word to deceive you. And if you are not spiritual incline,
if you don't have a connection with Jesus Christ, if
you don't have that relationship with Christ, where the Holy
Spirit in you? And you'll be able to recognize because
you'll know because you even read the Bible, and you'll
know that, hey, this is not my friend talking to me,
(07:51):
because my friend wouldn't tell me this. So you you know.
In other words, you said, well, you don't get mad
with your friend. You don't feel your friend trying to
deceive you. You don't feel your friend is trying to
hurt you. You understand what can you follow us here
understanding the best staying in the world. So you understand
through the Holy Spirit in you that this is the
(08:14):
dea of a talking to me. This is the intimate
trying to deceive me to get me to drinking again.
And he used it. My best friend to do it.
You got to best create this spirit. Oh you don't,
you'll be deceived. And it's leading.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And you've been listening to Big Mitch and that's Mitchell
Rutledge and he has spent almost his entire grown life
in various Alabama penitentiaries. And I got to know him
over this year through these series of conversations. I felt
the deep pull on my heart for you to get
to know him too. His story of redemption, of forgiveness.
(08:54):
It's a remarkable thing. When we come back more with
our Sunday Mornings with Big Mitch series episode four here
on our American Stories. And we returned to our American
(09:41):
Stories and episode four of Sunday Mornings.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
With Big Mitch.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Let's pick up where we last left off.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I have a reader about Joe, and Joe cursed to
say that he was born at one point because of
all the trial was a tlation that came upon him.
And at one time when I was on death row
and I was going through so much, and I looked
back over my life and how I had came up
(10:12):
as a child, and I came from an abusive environment,
you know, not necessarily physically, but I should have went
through what I went through as a child, and so
I'm sitting on death row and I'm reflected back on
all of that, and I said, wow, So I cursed
the day that I was born. I said, well, I shouldn't.
I should have died, you know, while I was in
(10:34):
my mother's womb. You know, I felt that way that
at that time because with my life had yield. Looking
back on it, A lot of people talk about Joe.
Satan tried Joe because God was branding on Joe, and
Satan told God, I said, well, he's serving you and
(10:58):
doing everything that you want him to do. His because
you gave him everything you want, said, well, take everything
you got and he'll curse you to your face. So
God told Satan, said we'll go forth and do everything
that you choose to do to him, but don't get it.
And that's what Satan did. And so that situation right there,
(11:21):
I launched something about Joe. Joe felt entitled because it
took the youngster. Allows you to tell Joe that God
didn't owe him no explanation. Joe wants to know why
God was doing him like that, that he deserved that
(11:43):
that I don't deserve to be treated like this. I
shouldn't go through this. A lot of people said, well,
you know you had the faith that Joe. Well, yeah,
Joe had faith. But at the same time, when you
read closer, Joe felt like, hey, I don't deserve this,
and he ily told him that God don't owe him
no exponation. So in other words, a lot of peoples
(12:06):
will be like Joe, you know, well, I haven't did
anything wrong. I go to church, I pay my tithes,
I don't do anybody wrong, or what I have you
What I learned from that situation right there, is that
peoples are like that in life. Well, I don't deserve it.
Why God don't help me? Or why God, I haven't
(12:28):
heard anyone. See, God don't owe nobody no explanation for
whatever happened to you if you're a child of God.
And Joe teaches us not to complain. But Joe complained,
but he wouldn't curse God. His wife told him to
cursing and go ahead on and die. So Joe told you,
(12:48):
talking like a fool. We get a lot of listens
from the Bible, and Joe did complain about what was
going on in his life, and a man of God,
you'ren't supposed to complain. Now, is that beyond being a
human aid? I don't know, because you know people will
(13:10):
complain about things. But I think that we need understand
one thing that if you believe in Jesus Christ, and
you trust Jesus Christ, if something going on in your
life where something bad and happened to you, your child
is seek, your wife is seeking, your mother's seeking, your
other men's sick or what have you, whatever the trial
(13:32):
and trivilation that didn come upon you, then you just
pray and don't blame God. Joe felt that God wasn't
treating him fair. Well, I ain't. That's something where human
being can said God ain't treating them fair. The judge
and the district attorney denied my hearing, said that I
(13:57):
didn't even deserve a hearing. And once I heard that,
it hurt everybody that was in my corner. But when
I heard that, I was disappointed. I was so disappointed,
but I immediately began to pray. I immediately didn't blame God.
(14:24):
The only thing I said where God got something eff
from me. So Job had the faith. But Joe and
a lot of people don't like to talk about it,
but Joe complained he felt like he was entitled not
to go through nothing in life, and that's why he
(14:44):
felt he felt like he shouldn't shouldn't have been had
to go through nothing because of who he were, that
he was blameless. Why am I going through this? I
haven't need anything, I shouldn't be punished. And a lot
of people feel that way. But hey, God, you never
know what God does. Just deal with it. And so
(15:05):
at the end, God blessed themselves time more because he
didn't curge him. That's the main thing he didn't do.
He still believes in God, but he felt that he
was entitled not to be treated that way, and peoples
to this day feel that way. But you have no
control over what may come your way. There's a lot
(15:29):
of guys ain't with me. They throw me into town.
God tell me, said, well, minch man, you are strong,
you know God give me a lot of accolades. Now,
big minch man, you're a strong dude. Man, you still
got your right mind. You hanging in the hell. You
ain't you ain't this? You ain't God? I said, where
is Jesus Christ? Really is this Jesus Christ? We cannot
(15:51):
subvide nowhere and society, especially in here to go Christ,
we need him to make it from one d to
the next day. We need him to overcome, say we
need him.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
As we wound down our conversation, Big Mitch talked about
a turning point in his life and it had everything
to do with the word forgiveness. Here's big miss Forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Is a corner stone of maybe the next transition from
one point to the next punt. And because if you
can't forgive, whether forgiven yourself of forgiving others, then you're
a stagnated You're stationary right there, and you can't be healed.
(16:47):
And you can't heal without forgiveness. So that's one of
the reasons God asks us to forgive. And then God
the main thing God say, if you don't forgive others,
then how can you be forgiven? You know, I think
a lot of people uh overlook that uh you know
is that uh they are so unwilling to forgive, but
(17:11):
at the same time they won't forgiveness and and and
and and forgiveness is like I said, it's the essence
and cornerstone to be able to move from that position
to the next position. And to not forgive. It's like
(17:32):
a counsel because it issues up. It's it has you
angry and upset and and and builder and it's destrawing you.
Like when I laid down at night in my bed
and I'm in here and uh, when I understood, you
know what I need. Uh. This person had a mother, father, brother, sister, kids,
(17:59):
you know. And when I realized what I did, it
just they were hard to go to sleep that night.
They were hard to function. So I had to get
that out of me. I had to forgive myself. So solace,
you used to tell them all the times that will
mention God to forgive you. So now you got to
forgive yourself. I had to forgive myself for a lot
(18:19):
of things. And the only way I made is where
I am now. I was able to forgive myself for
what I did. And once I was able to forgive myself,
then I was able to be able to function better.
I was able to grow in a more positive and
productive manner because I didn't have that burier upon me anymore.
(18:44):
I'm free of that God to forgive me, I to
forgive me. Now I can move forward in life, and
now I can feel positive influence in other people's life, and.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
A terrific job on the production, editing and story telling
by our own Greg Hengler and our own Reagan Habib,
And my goodness, the degree to which Mitch's life intersected
time and again with stories from the Bible, and how
those stories informed him and improved him and made him
(19:17):
see things clearly. And the biggest lesson of them all
had to do with one big word in all of
our lives, forgiveness. Everybody wants forgiveness, but my goodness, to
be able to forgive, and sometimes just to be able
to forgive yourself. And my goodness, Mitch had killed a man.
Sunday Mornings with Big Mitch, Episode four here on our
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