Frank Luntz: Political Commentator and Bestselling Author

Paul and Skip are joined by the famed political pollster to break down the presidential debate, offer thoughts on the outcome of the election, the impact of Taylor Swift's recent endorsement of Kamala Harris, and explain why this campaign cycle is unlike any in American history.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our Way with yours truly paul Anka and my buddy
Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi folks, this
is Paul Anka and.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is Skip Bronson.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
We've been friends for decades and we've decided to let
you in on our late night phone calls by starting
a new podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet
some real good friends of ours.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Your leaders in entertainment and.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a sitting
president or two.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Join us as we ask the questions they've not been
asked before, tell it like it is, and even sing
a song or two.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
This is our podcast, and we'll be doing it our way.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
They don't have heightoned jobs, and they're legitimately stressed out.
And the more that we ignore them, or make fun
of them, or your worst of all rid its you them,
the more that we're dividing our country, Which is why
I believe that culture is so essential, because it's the
only way that we can overcome these divisions. Everybody likes

(01:07):
to go to Disney World, Everybody likes to turn on
their radio and listen to their favorite songs. There's some
things that we still do as a country, we just
don't do them together anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
Hey, Hey, how's it going. Welcome back from Canada. I
know you were. Yeah, premiered my movie and the film festival,
and that's also was great. The reviews of an amazing
and I was had a great, great time. But we
got to confer here, buddy, because we didn't have a
good week in football, no great sources. Should we enable

(01:48):
our Handicapperiz James, Carbill James.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
And then I got my vaguest connection and I'm in
a hole. I mean it was a podcast, podcast, film film.
Where do we go?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:02):
We're talking cash here, that's a talking hard cash. NFL
is back. Anyway, You've been good, Chrissy. Yeah, I know
I've been good. And I get ready to go to Colorado,
like golf in a tournament up there, Hi, high altitudes. Yeah,
I was in. I ran from one event they threw
for me at dinner to watch the debates, and you

(02:24):
and I both know we've conferred on that. But yeah,
it was something to watch, right, which is going to
lead us to who our dear friend Frank was going
to come on Wednesday.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yeah, we absolutely love and I just dying to get
his spin on what's occurred here in the past few days,
aren't you.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. He's a brilliant guy.
And you know, he grew up literally right down the
street from me in West Hartford, Connecticut. But we didn't
know each other then we met each other later. We
first met in the early nineties, and you knew the
lunch You knew the Lunx family. I knew that. Yeah,
the father was a foren dentist and the father would
go out every night. The father was a loaner. You know,

(03:04):
Frank is a bit of a loaner. But the father
was just go out and walk by himself out than
he road after dinner every night, in the teeth all day.
Nobody wants to look at you exactly, forensic dentists.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
Who wants to go to what did you do? Well,
let me put the enamel underneath the hudder floor. But
you know what, because that was a change of life, baby.
And you know, my sister, my one my one sibling,
was eleven years older than me, and I was My
mother had me late in life, but my grandparents were

(03:37):
already gone by the time I was born, you know,
so I always wanted to try to find out about
my family, and I hired a genealogist and did the
whole thing. So it motivated me to write a book
about my life that I never planned to publish, but
I was just going to use it as a leap
behind for my kids and one day my grandchildren. So

(03:57):
I wrote it and I said. I called Frank, who
you know has been a good friend. I said, look,
I wrote this book, but it's not to be published.
This is just something to leave behind. But there's a
lot about Hartford and West Hartford in it. So would
you take a look at it. I think you'd enjoy
reading it. He said, sure, send it over. So I
send it over to him. A week later, he comes

(04:18):
to see me in my office. He said, oh my god.
I said what He said, you have a book here.
I said, what do you mean? He said, well, it's
not about your life. That's not the thing. But the
war that you were in with Donald Trump, when you
and Steve Winn tried to develop the casino in Atlantic City.
That's an unbelievable story and people would want to read

(04:41):
that story. So you got to discard all this stuff
about you growing up. It's a paper route and did this,
and he did that. Forget about that, just isolate this part.
I'm going to edit this book for you, and I'm
going to call the part about this battle. And I said, yeah,
I said internally, you know in the comp he used
to call it the War at the Shore. And he said, oh,

(05:04):
that's a perfect title. So he took the book and
leave it to him. He's a wordsmith and he's written
best selling books himself, and from this leave Behind that
I never intended to publish came an LA Times bestseller.
And the book still sells today, especially on audio tape

(05:24):
on audible, because anything with Trump's name in it today,
whether you love him or hate him, it sells. So
my book, you know that was a successful venture, if
you will, came about because of Frank. Yeah, I love
the book. Well, I'm gonna ask him point blank. I
want to know who he thinks he's going to win.
He won't answer because the smart ones won't here. If

(05:46):
I'm looking forward to throwing smith questions out, he all
he wants to I wanted out of life. I think
I'm stinking this to be funny, was to meet you.
So I'm telling you he's met everybody he's met pres
he's made you know, athletes, he's made everybody. He must
have asked me half a dozen times. And that's why

(06:06):
I set up that lunch for you two to meet
at the Beverly Hills Hotel. And he loved it. And
if you recall, after about an hour and a half,
I left and the two of you still kept talking
because he just couldn't get enough of you. Well, I'm
humbled by that. That's very cool, very cool. I look
forward to talking to him. And I think our listeners

(06:27):
will you know, we've given them an eclectic array of
lovely friends and smart people, and he'll give him a
different slant. I think between him and James will have
covered the field.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
And as you know, every dinner party, all people are
talking about is this election. Right now, as we're getting
really close to the actual election day, I hope the
hell it can convince people to get out and vote. Yeah,
that's what we need.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Our country is going through big change and we have
to really get it done.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
So much going on, so much anger or so much
you know, craziness. It's and we can ask them about
what's going on in Israel, I mean, not just about
the politics. But I think it's going to be a
great conversation. And as I said, I think the timing
is perfect. Well, you're going to get ready forbid and
I'm going to play pickledball tot night perfect. Make sure

(07:19):
you keep the lights on. The woman is waiting, the
lights are on, the play in the dark. I tried,
and I was too good.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
All right, my competition want lights on out?

Speaker 5 (07:32):
All right?

Speaker 6 (07:32):
Exactly, all right, Skip, let me see. I'm going with
Kansas City this week. I'm going with the Lions this week,
and I think the Cowboys those are my three picks.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Well, let's see. Let's hope you're right, and it will.
We'll get carbos picks and your guys and your friends
in Vegas and will put them together and we'll come
up with a winning formula, hopefully.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
So what was the old saying in casinos is do
you want to win? Owning the casino by a casino?
Exactly gets a game with anyway, We have fun, all right,
my darld.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Get some sleep, sale and O mama will do. We'll
talk real soon though.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
Okay, Hello, Frank, nice to see you again, buddy.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
It's it's great to see you. Now, I really Skip.
We get a chance to do this, which is so
cool for me. Which, yeah, I just gotta warn you,
You're gonna be asking me questions and I'm gonna be
asking you questions.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Leh.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
I was.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I was telling Paul and our producer Jordan was on
with us that the irony of all this that you
and I both lived on Mountain Farms Road in West
Hertford but didn't know each other at that time. I
knew your dad, who, by the way, I think was
it wasn't he a forensic dentist if I remember.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
That is correct?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yep, Yeah, And I knew your dad, But then you
and I didn't meet until the early nineties through Steve
Win when Steve and I were pursuing the idea of
casino gaming in New York and he said, listen, I
got this brainiac and I want him to go with
you and be involved in whatever. And you and I went.
I think our very first meeting was in Allbany with

(09:16):
Joe Bruno, the state senator from New York. I think
it was like three days in that we realized that
we both grew up in West Herdford and we're both
living on the same street. But so Paul was asking me,
and I said, oh, the first question of the box
would be, how did I know you went to penn
They went to University of Pennsylvania. But why and where

(09:40):
and how did you first get involved in politics? And
this is very strange for me to acknowledge this, but
I was six or seven years old and I still
could barely read. But for some reason, my parents gave
me a copy of US News and Will report. This
is an absolutely true story. And I could tell you
because I followed the pictures what every state's electoral vote

(10:04):
was in the nineteen sixty eight presidential election. Was six
years old, and somehow that just stuck in my head.
My sister, who has styche problems, had these really large
encyclopedias war books, so I knew all the presidents from
those pictures, and I could say the presidents by the
time I was eight. I could do him backwards. By

(10:26):
the time I was twelve, and I still remember when
I was seventeen that too young to drink.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
I won everyone at a bar a free drink from
the owner because I could do the presidents forwards and backwards,
and under a minute totally wasted and he had to
pay up and from that point on it was just
a love with her passion. Huh yeah, I don't know why,
but Paul, you were good. The first time he had

(10:54):
a number one song, you were it. Did Joe appreciate well?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Like you? I started young like you. I started young,
and I was fifteen when I left home with a
hundred bucks, got to New York, and I got lucky
and got my first hit. Correct. So you and I
found our passion and our purpose early in life, which
made it easier with all the challenges. Right, yep.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
How early did you realize that you wanted to be
involved in real estate and developed being and that kind
of investing. Back in the day in Hartford, you know,
if someone had a Cadillac, that was a big deal.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
That meant they were very, very wealthy. But it's very
rare in our neighborhood that anybody would have a Cadillac.
And the local real estate developer had a Cadillac, and
I just aspired to be in that business. But because
it was Hartford, the insurance capital of the world, it
was almost the same way people say it's a law
that if you're old and Jewish, you have to move

(11:50):
to Florida. So if you lived in Hartford, you either
worked in the insurance companies or you knew somebody or
had a family member. And I started selling insurance, and
I met a person who had an insurance and real
estate business, and he explained to me that the commissions
were much bigger in the real estate than they were
in insurance. So I started selling real estate and went

(12:14):
from that into you know, finding a piece of property
and going to Melan Herb Simon, who were you know,
both friends of ours, yours and mine, and you know
they backed me started pursuing real estate projects. But I
think to answer the question more specifically, I was a teenager.
You know, my parents didn't have money, and you know

(12:37):
I always wanted stuff. I always wanted things. I wanted
a nice car, wanted to have all those things, and
that truly withdrove me. That was the passion that came
from having nothing. You know, my dad was a window
trimmer and there was really no money in the family.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Okay, I got a question for both of you, and
I did kind of answer it. What is it about
Italians and Jews? We don't pray the same way, we
don't eat the same food that we eat the same
amounts of food. Why have the Talians and Jews always
got along so well? There were blood brothers even though
in so many ways were different.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well. The funny thing for me, by the way, to
answer that question growing up in West Harford and going
to the King Philip Elementary School in King Philip Junior
High School, where the entire school was Jewish, and the
Jewish holidays they closed the school. But in high school
we had to go to the other side of town.
Tremendous number of Italians, and at first it was not

(13:35):
a love affair between the Jews and the Italians. But
over time, you know, some of my best friends in
high school were Italian. But Paul, you know that Paul's
not Italian though.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Right, you know, I think all that Paul's Lebanese.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I'm Lebanese. Yeah, I'm Italian by injection. I lived in
Italy in the nineteen sixty But you know it shouldn't
come as a shock, guys, because no Americans are actually
from America.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Good point, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I was just a Lebanese kid up in Canada,
you know, there weren't a lot of Lebanese up there,
and found my passion for music and I was then
involved with Jews and Italians. They ran my business. I
worked for the mob. They were all Italian and Jewish
and everybody got along and it was wonderful.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Why don't we get along today? We should?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Of course we should, even the Middle East. When you
look at it, I mean, they're all brothers in one
way or another. You know, we'll get to that maybe later.
But I never understood why those people weren't holding hands
and living properly together. It's the biggest mystery to me
of all time.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
It's a real tragedy because there was so much creativity
and so much cooperation, so much success in the fifties
and sixties where we were cooperating. There's so much pain
and suffering and death now that we seem to be
at odds with each other, and it's a real tragedy.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, it leads us to where we're at today. I mean,
you look at the immigration situation. You know, it's the
big item here in this election, and you know a
lot of Americans have to understand the Mexicans are already here.
Whether you're concerned with what American culture feels are like,
you know, the labor markets just look, they're here. They've
been here and they've been a part of our country

(15:23):
for years. And you look at the ebb and flow
of you know how years ago it wasn't like it
is today, and they're here and they're part of our culture.
Today's immigrants are coming from everywhere, you know, from failed
Central American states on Duras, El Salvador, Aguateimala, Venezuela. You
know all those numbers, right.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Well, the public is very clear that it wants tall
fences and wine gates, that they want the immigrant community.
But they just want them to come here the right way,
to pay their taxes, to register. So that's the key.
And this is where both parties have it wrong. The
Republicans have become so anti immigrant that it is frightening.

(16:04):
It's not who we are as a people. And the
Democrats seem to not believe in borders, seem to not
believe in enforcements. And that's the tragedy. And it's one
of the reasons why I believe music, theater, movies, and
sports are so essential because these are the only things
that bring people together. Now is everything else is almost

(16:26):
designed to separate us. I listened to the words and
the lyrics, particularly of rap hip hop, and they're so
angry and so device. I think it contributes to this
sense that is us against them, and us are people
who look like us and talk like us. And it

(16:48):
never used to be that way now. I know if
you mentioned that the genius and Italians that we are
at odds, I know in West Harford, Connecticut. But it
wasn't hate. It was a fight in the in the
parking lot, followed by I scream at friends. It wasn't
this death match that we seem to be the end.

(17:08):
And Paul tribal, tribal, I've been to you. You won't know this,
but I've been to a couple of year concerts and
a joy for me because I brought you music since
I was small, and your conscience, the mixture people there,
the diversity of people there was remarkable. I don't see
that anymore, and I think it's a real tragedy.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, I agree, I mean off that point, you know,
let's not forget that what two years ago Trump, I
mean he went from openly condemning Mexican migrants as rapists
bad ombres to embracing Mexico and trade security deals that
took all kinds of relationships that he put together with
all republics. So he made a flip from what he

(17:50):
thought of them to where it is today, right to
NAFTA right.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
That's a good thing that you come to a different
point of view, but it's a bad thing when you
sow seeds of hate and anger. Hours before this our conversation,
Donald Trump talked about immigrants, legal immigrants stealing dogs and goats,
stealing household pets and eating them. It's singularly the most

(18:15):
ridiculous thing I have ever heard in a presidential debate.
And I just wish that our culture could overwhelm this.
I wish that our relationships could overwhelm this, but it doesn't.
And now we're looking for where we disagree. We used
to do Jewish geography. We would find something that we

(18:36):
had in common, and once we went realized we went
to the same restaurant, it's had to the same concert,
went to the same football games. Once we found that connection,
nothing could tear us apart. Now we seek to find
differences to dismiss and to dehumanize. And it's it's why
I was so eager for this conversation, and so I

(18:59):
don't hostile to the other stuff that I'm talking about
because I know that it brings anger, and that's not
what I want to be doing.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Do you think Trump is selling anger?

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Honestly, yes, I think it's more than them. I think
he's selling resentment. I think he is selling revenge, and
he's doing so to people. So I want to be
clear about this. I have tremendous sympathy for Trump's supporters,
and I don't like them demon us. In fact, I
will speak up against it publicly with passion. They're ignored,

(19:32):
they are forgotten, they're left behind, their ridicule by others.
The average Trump voter is in their late fifties, has
maybe two or three thousand dollars in savings, did not
graduate from college, and they're really suffering. A whole lot
of them lift paycheck to paycheck. They don't take government benefits,

(19:54):
they don't have high income jobs, and they're legitimately stressed out.
And I don't think we do enough to hear them,
to listen to them. And the more that we ignore them,
or make fun of them, or the worst of all,
ridicule them, the more that we're dividing our country. Which
is why I believe that culture is so essential because

(20:16):
it's the only way that we can overcome these divisions.
Everybody likes to go to Disney World, although the average
voter can't afford it. Everybody likes to turn on their
radio and listen to their favorite songs. There's some things
that we still do as a country. We just don't
do them together anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
So you feel that the pessimism that we've had right
from the crash and Await, COVID, income, inequality, the environment.
Today people not only think they can't get ahead, Frank,
but they think they're falling behind. And they're very, very angry.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
That it's correct. And to some degree they're correct. To
be out of college degree, you're limited in this country now.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
But the younger generation, they were detached. Isn't that where
Biden the Democrats had it wrong. They didn't realize that
they were so detached.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Well, here's the strange thing that I could not explain
before Biden pulled out. He was being Donald Trump among
eighteen to twenty nine year olds by six percent, by
seven percent.

Speaker 8 (21:18):
Nothing.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Usually, younger voters are absolutely in the Democratic camp, and
the older you get, the more likely you are to
be a Republican. Under Joe Biden. It wasn't that way
because younger voters simply disagreed with both of them and
basically wanted a fundamental change. And as we record this,
which is on a clearestday evening, Harris is winning among

(21:39):
younger voters, beidingumped by twenty points. They are engaged, they
are activated, they are eager for this selection.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I agree they're becoming active.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, and the same that they did to you when
you were a kid singing, when you were a teenage
I I went back and worked at some of the
videos of this. I don't know how you' still are
hearing because they were so woud and sharing you. It's
the same kind of emotion that they have George Erris.
Right now they see somebody that they're loving.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
So we believe that they're now involved. And do you
think that they have a sense that they really believe
their vote counts and many of these people weren't going
to vote at all.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yes, that's exactly what I believe, and I can prove it.
The greatest intensity level that people who were saying they
can't wait for this selection are women eighteen to twenty
nine who are completely detached eight weeks ago and it's
not because Trump changed, It's because you have a different

(22:40):
candidate on the Democratic side. And they love her because
they see themselves in you. And what's interested lewis they
think she's ten years younger than she actually is. They
analize that she's almost sixty. It's fascinating to me.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
So she's introduced optimism.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
She's introduced relevancy. Politics are now relevant and these young
people think that they can make a difference. So yes,
it is optimistic, but it connects to them and who
they are. And I appreciate it because in a long time,
it's ice screamed, either for a TV idol or or

(23:15):
or for a politician running for office. And the last
time I got excited is Ronald Reagan and that was
forty five years ago.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
And they've been holding all that stuff inside, Frank, and
I think they've just been waiting, waiting to let it out.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yes, and they have, and this is it and they
are and they can't wait.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So if Harris gives them that what Paul's referring to, right,
if people now with Harris had changed. But let's just
back up just before Kamala became the candidate, when it
was Biden versus Trump. The common thread flight that you
heard over and over and people go to you for answers.
People were asking, how can it be that we have

(23:54):
more than three hundred and thirty million.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
People in this country and this is the choice that
we have.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
That was a question every person. Now you might say
that that changed somewhat because you've got Colla in the race,
But what is the reason why we didn't have, let's say,
better choice than Trump versus Biden. Why is that?

Speaker 4 (24:15):
By the way, I do believe that this is going
to be the least listen to podcasts of your life.
Gives me doing politics, which people hate. So I'm gonna
do it because I know you want to do it.
But as someone's worked for networks and radio companies broadcasters,
everything inside me is saying, don't do this a skip,

(24:35):
You're gonna hold it against me, and Paul, you're never
gonna talk to me again, and you check your numbers
and they're gonna stink.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's just the opposite. Right now, It's the only thing
people talk about. You go to a dinner party. This
is all that I beg to differ with you on
this one point. It's the only thing people are talking about.
You go to your club, you go to restaurants, you
go to a dinner party. This is all the only
thing people are talking about.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Well, that's your generation. Skip. Everyone born in the twenty
first century is tesperately looking for something else. And I
just I hate boring them now.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
But what they were looking for? But they were looking
for different candidates. My question is something different. Why is
it that good quality people don't run? What is the
principal reason in your opinion, and you're an expert, what
is the principal reason why highly qualified people, who who
were likable and intelligent, they don't want to get involved

(25:34):
in this? What is the principal reason for that?

Speaker 4 (25:36):
First is the rules themselves. Republicans can now vote in
Democratic primaries, Democrats cannot vote in Republican primaries, and the
very few places in independence vote and EI their primary.
So that means you get the most extreme people getting
nominated on the Democratic and Republican side. Sacking and social
media has becomes so brutal and mean and vindictive, nobody

(26:00):
wants to put themselves through it. Third is that every
newspaper or TV or even online journalist is an investigative
reporter and their whole life is digging up negative, salacious,
hostile stories on your opponents.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
And fourth, it's.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Become so expensive that only million millionaires can run. For
those four reasons, we get the most left wing Democrats,
the most right wing Republicans, and there's no sensible people
from the center. And that's real tragedy. I've been doing
politics now for almost fifty years, and there's no way
that I would run. I wouldn't even serve we get

(26:41):
running for office. I would even want to be a
member of comics because of how disruptive it is. Nobody
respects you, nobody appreciates you. You get paid one hundred
and eighty five thousand a year, which sounds like a lot,
but you're maintaining two households, you're flying back and forth.
You are under a microscope every hour of every day.
The public now thinks that they've a right to come

(27:02):
into a restaurant and yell at you when you're there
with your kids having dinner. It's just an awful, awful environment,
and it's getting worse, not getting better.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, unlike what a friend of ours told SKIP and I,
you know, we know that Washington crowd are treacherous yea,
we will admit to that. Everybody knows. In our town
of Hollywood, they'll tell you things to your face and
they'll stab you first in the throat and on the stomach,
and then they'll stab you in the back. Then they'll
stab you in the ass. But in Washington they'll stab

(27:33):
you once. Right.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Well, the difference is Hollywood is Washington. Just the people
are prettier.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
But you know you're on the pulse. And I disagree
too in terms of I think our listeners, who we
value a great deal, totally get you. And you know,
you're one of those one of a kind guys that
really know what they're talking about. We lack that. That's
why my hat goes off to a guy like Bill Maher.
For months, this guy was out there, he took all
the shots, told it exactly like it was. And I

(28:03):
like guys like that because in America, all men have balls,
we know that, but you know what, they don't know
how to use them, most of them. So I admire
guys like you, mar and your on it to know
that there's something happening in our country now. I think
there is a change and there's that vibe going on,
and I think Washington has not recognized it. Our folks

(28:26):
want to leave everything behind. They want to start over.
They want something to believe in it. I'm out there.
I sing to them, I meet with them, I talk
to them. They want to move forward in a positive fact.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
But the problem is the politicians are encouraging this bad behavior.
Young people see candidates yelling at each other, lying to
each other, just being anti civil to each other, and
they start to copy it. Here's a reason why young
people are attacking their teachers. There's a reason why divorce

(28:59):
when people and they blame the reason for it, and
increasing numbers say politics. And in fact, I'm going to
give you a missing truism that the issue with Kamala
Harris is that she reminds men of their first wife.
The issue with Donald Trump is that he reminds women
of their first husband's divorced lawyer.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah. People want fun again, right, they want fun?

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, And the problem is they're not going to get
it in politics.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
They keep telling us how bad things are, how rigged
everything is, and it's not energizing. And I look at
Harris and I don't know. She throws a sense of
hope out there, doesn't she.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Speaks to their language. It's completely void of detail. She
doesn't tell us where she really stands, but she offers
a change and at least maybe not our generation, but
something closer to us. Compared to Trump and Biden, she
is a breath of fresh air. I do believe that

(30:04):
she owes the American people the details of her playmants.
I do believe that she's running away from people, that
she's not allowing reporters to question her, but so much
of what she's campaigning on his flow when they deserve substance.
In the end, you have the responsibility as a candidate
for president tell people exactly where you stand, and voters

(30:27):
have the right to demand that candor, and she's not
doing it. She didn't do it in the debate, and
she's not doing it in her day to day campaigny
by the same token, Trump is being absolutely destructive in
his language, in his approach, and I think the public,
particularly now in twenty twenty four, public deserves better see

(30:49):
if somebody like me really frustrated from both candidates both perspectives,
because I think the public isn't being well served.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
You think this election will in great part be people
voting against someone as opposed to voting for.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Someone, always has been.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
But we had one exception, which is twenty oh eight,
when John McCain ran against Barack Obama. The ads are positive,
the campaign was positive. The two candidates would complement each other.
There was no question that they would shake hands and
talk to each other before and after the debate. I
remember when John McCain said to a supporter, called Barack

(31:27):
Obama Muslim. But Kaine stopped the town hall and said, no, man,
that is not correct. And he challenged her and he said, look,
we have very different solutions for the problems facing America,
but we are both out of Americans. How different is
that than what you see today? And that was only
it's less than twenty years, not a long topical. I

(31:50):
wish we had those kinds of politics today.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
But Frank Obama, he wrote in on Hope right all
the way to the White House. But weren't we sold
a bill of goods on that? Congress was locked. Other
than the Affordable Care Act, nothing really passed. Divisions between
the parties grew, and Trump won right, and it's.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Fair, but I was active when they actually did get along.
Go back to nineteen ninety four, which is hardably how
long ago that But when new kingrig took over the
House and said to Bill Clinton, let's sit down, let's negotiate.
What did they end up doing? I balanced budget, a

(32:29):
budget that actually reduced the debt, not added to it.
And they had several other agreements such as welfare reform
sure Bill Clinton Vitol did initially, but the President and
the Republicans in Congress actually got stuffed done. And how
different that is then than right now with Joe Biden
and the Republicans in the House. He wouldn't even meet

(32:51):
with them for months at a time. You have to
be able, I'll give you the four P elements. You
have to be able to talk to each other, have
to be able to listen to each each other. You
have to be able to offer meaningful, measurable solutions. And
you have to accept eighty five percent. If you're willing
to do those things, they're all reasonable, they're all sensible,

(33:12):
then you can get stuff done. The problem is nobody
wants to compromise on anything.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Frank, I have to because the big topic of the day,
at least the big buzz today is you know who?
But you know I go back to the sixties when
I was a young kid, as you mentioned, and I'm
working for the mob, because you know that's who you
worked for. They ran everything. And I'm in Vegas and
I'm around the rat pack, right, And when I saw
the power of Sinatra, the rat Pack and Kennedy who'd

(33:49):
come in and out of town, and I'd get the
drift and the swagger of what was going on that
he needed to be elected. And Sinatra and his group
literally with a big dynamic the gut Kennedy elected. Fade out,
fade in. Here we are, Taylor Swift, skip, and I

(34:10):
want to know how much of that needle moves and
give us a commentary on that.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
We asked a question, actually, who has a bigger impact
on your vote? And the time it was Joe Biden,
Joe Biden, Donald Trump, or Taylor Swift. Thirty eight percent
chose Trump, thirty four percent chose Biden, and remarkably, twenty
five percent chose Taylor Swift. And that among women under
age thirty, she beat the other two. She will have

(34:38):
an impact among younger women to listen to her, they'll
hear her point of view. And she's learned that you
don't just do it out of support. You have to
explain why, which is really important. Give them a reason,
or actually give them three reasons. One is random, two
is a trend. Three the number three, communication wise, is proof.

(35:02):
And that's exactly what she did in her letter to
her fans, and it is going to make a difference.
All I got a question for you. Between nineteen sixty
and nineteen eighty, Frank Sinatra went from being a big
Democrat to being one of the most public supporters of
Ronald Reagan. And in fact, and kick was the eighty
four Inaugury Inaugural Ball where he'd performed and it was

(35:27):
such a big deal, and Don Rickles was there and
some of the other people he hung out with in Vegas.
Was it Reagan who changed Sinatra? Or was it the
Times who changed Sinaptra?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I think it was a combination of both. Keeping in
mind he had a very bad taste in his mouth
as to the expectation that he was going to get
out of the Kennedy ride and when they turned on
him and Bobby turned on them and the mafia and
what have you, that didn't sit well with him for
many many years, not unlike a lot of us and

(36:02):
he was close to Reagan, and you know, you get
these corporations, they're going to put their money whoever can
help them. They're going to go back and forth. You know,
Frank was not quite like that, but he he kind
of changed his whole philosophy toward where we were going
and the politics, and it was his like of Reagan.
And I think he still was hurting from what the
Kennedys did to him, because it was a it was

(36:24):
a massive event, Frank, when you realize, you know, they
did help in electing Kennedy, and then what evolved was,
you know, the whole castro thing and with a mafia
in there to help, and they had contracts with the government,
and then you know, a couple of the guys got
killed and who killed. So this whole mafia crowd and

(36:46):
all of them they were let down by the whole
democratic system that they thought that they could get in
and do business with. And he just and he was
in straightforward guy. He was a great guy. He was
a man's man. He was smart, and he knew where
he wanted to go, and he loved this country and
he felt that Reagan was the ticket. I mean, didn't
you remember when you endorsed Agnew, so he just went
right over to that side.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Yeah, it was a big deal. It really mattered.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, and you know music years ago, Frank Skip, we
used to not me, but music affected and had a
political kind of outcoming. They could force. They could also
generate all kinds of excitement politically and lead on with music.
It doesn't happen today. Music has no place in politics.

(37:32):
It doesn't add any strength to it whatsoever. But this
Taylor Swift thing is very interesting. It's a phenomenon for
all of us in the business. I think her and
the Beatles, I don't think I've ever seen anything like
this collectively. Everybody that might be a competitor to her
don't even come close to her. But to see this
dynamic in play and to see what it's going to

(37:53):
do in this election where smart people I think wouldn't
sit here and try to predict who's going to become president.
I think you just don't do that. I'd be curious
to see what you're feeling is with her involved. Now,
can you predict that you think Harris is going to
win this? Would you dare jump out on that?

Speaker 4 (38:10):
I would, and I have within the last twenty four
hours and I'm getting my head kicked in. That is
really I can't help it. It's my focus, groupts, it's
my coving. That is my knowledge of Trump and his
ability to listen to others, his ability to hear the criticism,
which he doesn't have. Skip you know him much better

(38:31):
than any of us on this podcast. I don't think
Trump understands the trouble that he's in. And Paul I
do want to address music and politics. Bleewood Mac that
absolutely got behind Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety two and
people still remember them in the convention, and Bruce Springsteen

(38:52):
endorsing and performing for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. There
are times when musicians make a difference for a candidate
in times that they don't. That even though she had
all of the entertainers and I went to the radio
Citdney Music Hall in twenty sixteen, I did not pay
for it. Although I'll tell you something in twenty sixteen,

(39:15):
I'm going to acknowledge something on this podcast. For the
first time I went to the concert. Then it had
Rim and John Fogerty and Dixie Chicks, and yes, some
of the money that I had to pay for the
ticket went to move on dot Org. And you know what,
don't screw with my knees. I don't politicize music. Don't

(39:36):
tell me I can't go to a concert the idea
of seeing rim and Fogerty and there's one other performer,
there's no one'm going to miss that. I don't care
where the money goes. You can't do that anymore. And
I remember a Republican senator from state of Wyoming came
up to me and said, I hear you donated to
move On And I said, no, I did not. I
went to a concert, and I know some of the

(39:57):
money went to move On. He said to me, have
to choose sides, because we in this conference don't like
people who donate to that horrible organization. And I said
to him, and I was proud of this the time.
Don't make me choose between my music and my politics,
because you don't know which I would choose. We don't
have that anymore. Everything is now so political and so divide.

(40:19):
She's got to perform. If she performs in the last
ten days for Harris, that will make the biggest difference
of all.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
You know, going back to your point only to amplify it.
I go back to Donald Trump to the sixties. I
got a call from Roy Cohen. Roy Cohen was Trump's mentor.
We met and I've known him ever since and I've
worked for him. And without getting into it, he is

(40:48):
what he is and Roy Cohen taught him a great deal.
And I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Well, I would ask more, but I still I want
to know you. And you still have French in Vegas.
You know, I want to continue to know you more
than just for the next forty eight hours.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
We're going to lunch again because I totally enjoyed it,
and you know that's a that's a given for you
and I. We're going to go to lunch and do it.
And there I will open up, but here I won't.
And you went to one of my favorite places in
the world because I just left there. Two fans Hong Kong.
I performed at the Changeover. I've been going down there

(41:23):
for fifty years and I'm sure you'll agree. Besides the
food and everything. I mean, I know there's a slight
change because of the politics in Hong Kong, but what
a special place.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, and you know our friend Alan Zeman, who's a
friend of mine and a friend of Paul's who you
were with. Do you know about Lang Kwai Fong. I
do not know, Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I love his records. I love his records. He's had
twelve gold records in the West.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
That's funny. Lang Kwai Fong is where all the expats
from the US hang out. And Alan Xeman owns that
whole neighborhood in Hong Kong where they have a tremendous
number of restaurants. It looks like it looks like, you know,
part of the West Village in New York City. And
Alan owns the buildings, it owns the restaurants, and he's

(42:07):
just he's a wonderful friend to Paul into me, and
he got such a kick out of you. He said
that people just loved you. I said, listen, I only
know one thing. Everybody wants a piece of Frank right now.
He's on CNN three out of five days. I said.
They must have paid him a god awful amount of
money to get on a plane and fly all the
way from la to Hong Kong. That's a tough trip,

(42:29):
give a speech and come back. I said, that had
to be a hell of a number but he said,
Alan said, you just you outperformed. He thought that, you know,
you were just great. And again getting back to your
earlier point about well, people don't care that much about politics.
That's what they wanted to hear about. They didn't want
to hear about the American condition, right, they wanted to

(42:49):
hear your point of view on where it's going. To
that point, because Paul touched on it earlier, some people
would say that Trump could be Kamala Harris, but he
can't beat Taylor Swift. That if Taylor Swift really does,
as you say, get ginned up and really motivated to

(43:11):
do all she can, that he won't be able to
overcome that. Do you think that's true or is that
not the case.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
I'm going to take your point and I'm going to
use this in the future and I've just developed it
here on this podcast. Donald Trump can can defeat Kamala Harris.
Donald Trump cannot defeat Donald Trump, and that is his
problem in trusting.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
So, Frank, should there be will there be a debate?
Another debate who's going to be smart here?

Speaker 4 (43:43):
She won't do it. If she's smart, she doesn't need to.
And that is a very big deal. The fact that
that she came in the novice and outperformed and he
came in the professional and underperformed. Now he's saying that
he won't even accept a Fox News debate with Red Bay.
I'm autum McCollum for a very good journalist, has nothing

(44:03):
to do with what network they are on. But he
won't accept it. He's being foolish. You know, there's a
line from Carl McCartney to hate Jude that I think
is really powerful.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Only a fool.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Plays it cool by making his world a little colder.
And that's exactly what Trump does week after week, day
after day. He's doing it right now with this presidential campaign,
and he's going to regret it. He could have said, yes,
I'll do the debate anywhere, anytime, and it would have happened.
He's going to need that debate, and now they're going
to be able to say, while we offered it, he

(44:37):
said no, that the offers were drawn. But you don't
think it's to her advantess to debate him again, No,
I do not, because she already won and she already
closed the gap she's leading. I think she's going to
go ahead in the next few days and from this
point on, you just be careful. From this point on,
you avoid mistakes. You don't have to push the luck.

(45:01):
This is not where you're trying to double your money
in the roulette tables for three or four roles and
trying to get lucky. This is the presidency. She's got
the advantage, she's.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
In the lead.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Don't risk it.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
And what do you say to people who say that
it was three against.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
One with the ABC moderators. You know, I've heard that
from a lot of nonpartisan people, and I know the
agency moderator because I know the media is involved in this.
And it is true that they fact checked Trump four
times and he did not fact check Harris at all,
and that they didn't push Trump seemingly a little bit

(45:39):
tougher than Harris. Then why didn't he turn it to
his advantage? Why did he say during the debate four
to zero, I challenge you as representas of the American people.
And there's a reason why the medical people don't trust you.
Don't eat on credibility because you treat people in decent

(46:00):
you are biased, you play favorites. He could have challenged
them there, but he didn't. And once again, that was
a weakness, and in fact, at one point she says
to Trump, I'm speaking because Trump went to interrupt her.
And what he should have said that moment was and
that's the problem. Man and Vice president. You are speaking.

(46:22):
All you do is speak. All you do is talk.
The public wants you to do. Stop talking and start doing.
He didn't do any of that. He focused on cats
and dogs disappearing and becoming some as barbecue.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
I think he does another one, well.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Paul de should offer to moderate that debate. Everybody likes
you that.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Won't step down comes to politics. I'm not stepping down, no,
but I think he goes for the debate. I think
he needs to. Frankly, what about those that were so
the naysayers who said that Shapiro should have been the
VP to her because we know how important Pennsylvania's.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
But would have been the perfect choice. But Harris did
not want a step in the middle of the Israeli
Palestinian conflict. She did not have the guts. He was
very articulate. He's the most popular governor in America. He's
a good campaigner, he knows the issues. He's a centrist.

(47:21):
And there are too many Democrats who said that they
would walk on her if she didn't choose someone to
the left. And I feel the same way about the
Republican vice presidential nominee. Jd. Vance is not Marco Rubio,
He's not Tim Scott. If Donald Trump had chosen Nickey
Ailey game said and matched Trump.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
You know, they did a survey on that. I heard
that they went out and surveyed it with their group
and they came back that she wouldn't move the needle
at all if she ran with Trump. I mean, that's
what they were saying. But I agree with you. I
think she would have.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
But you mentioned Israel, and that's the other big sort
of flashpoint right now. So I know that you know Yawo,
I know you've spent time with him. How could you
resolve what's going on? I think there's a common threat,
whether it's Democrat or Republican in America, at least people
want this over. How can it be over?

Speaker 4 (48:26):
The only way it can be over is if there's
a winner and a loser. And the fact that the
hostages are still hostages tells you a Moss's attitude. Let
me give the two data points. Every single day, the
AMAS leadership goes on Al Jazeera, the news organization out
of Cutter and they proclaim death not to Israel, death

(48:49):
to the Jews, and day after day, week after week,
month after month, they say that they are committed to
the complete annihilation of the Jewish community. The world doesn't
know that. The world thinks this is just a battle
between Israel and the Palestinians, and that Israel's behaving badly.

(49:10):
These hostages have been gone now for eleven months. You're
being tortured, being sexually assaulted. Many of them, I believe
the vast majority are dead at this point. How do
you make peace with that? The only way you make
peace with that is to destroy you. And they call

(49:33):
on and this is the thing I don't understand from Israel.
Not only do they call on death to the Jews,
but they say publicly on the record that they won't
stop till Israel stops existing. It's a war of self defense.
And the Israeli government have been horrible communicators, horrible in

(49:55):
explaining what's happening to them. And they even have the
video GIP They've got the from these cocams and bodycams
that they carried to do these terrorist attacks. You see
them playfully assaulting women and children. You see them with

(50:15):
such zeal, burning people alive. You see the most ainous
crimes committed by people who are celebrating as they are
killing these people in the most ugly, painful, in humane way.
And Israel refuses to release the footage publicly, only showing

(50:37):
it in certain circumstances because they are there to protect
the respect and the decency of the victims in those videos.
I don't get it. This is the truth. These aren't
we touched photos, These aren't fake and phony presentations. Is
this isn't some woman crying in a bunch of rubble

(51:00):
who then gets into a bus, drives to the next
bunch of rubble, gets walks into the center and starts
crying again, goes to a third This is what they do.
This isn't fake, This isn't phony. This is real, and
they have it all on video, and they don't show
it nearly enough because they're trying to protect the reputations

(51:22):
and the emotions of the victims. This is twenty twenty four.
You cannot do that. The public has a right to know,
and Israel, the government has responsibility to tell them exactly
what happened. On October seventh, and they don't, So.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
In your opinion, I think they're going to keep they
just net y'all, who has just keep prosecuting this word
that there's no negotiated settlement is what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Oh, there hasn't been. There will there'll be a negotiated settlement,
probably within the next two or three weeks. But the
fact that it goes on and on and six hostile
Jeez was shot in cold blood. By the way, everyone's
been waiting for Iran the bomb Israel because they took
out the Hamas leader in Tehran. This is the payback,

(52:15):
and this is much more painful that Israel can take
bombs dropped by planes. Israel can take a lot of pain,
as it's had it over the last seventy five years.
But when they shoot these people after holding them hostage
for eleven months and they shoot them in the back

(52:35):
of the end, they execute them, and they're assigned that
they were in horrific pain just prior to that execution.
That's the worst because you can imagine what they were
going through. And that is what Hamas seeks to do,
cause maximum pain, maximum hardship, maximum destruction. They were succeeding,
and Israel's actually getting blamed for Mamas's behavior. That's how

(53:00):
bad the communication was. Right now, It's a tragedy, it's
a travesty, and we got to do something about it,
but we don't.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
So, Frank, I've been with Netanyahu. I go to Israel lot.
They're amazing people and I enjoy every time I go there.
Does Netanya who have to go? Is there blood on
his hands? Does he have to go? I mean, I
like the man. They've been gracious to me, but it's
part of the problem. And you know, I have a
lot of friends over there and the senses he has

(53:30):
to go.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yes, Netanya was prime minister when they came across the board.
He was prime minister at a time when they had
the most horrific security failure ever in the state of Israel.
He was the prime minister who appointed the leadership of
the IDEAF, and the leadership of the Secret Service, and
the leadership of all the people that are there to

(53:54):
keep Israel safe and secure. And he won't even accept responsibility.
Once again, again, it's a tragedy. And in any other
country the leader would have stepped down. God in my
ear disappeared as Prime Minister quit because he took responsibility
for what happened in seventy three. Aod Elmert left rob

(54:15):
Beychurce to hear your opinion of the Lebanon situation two
thousand and five. In the end, people take it responsibility
and I realized that I'm coughing and this is actually
I want you to lead this in.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
It's very human and it's going to stay in and
it shows that you can art take which I can't do.
If I were on a fucking stage singing and doing
what you're doing, I'd be out of business. You will
go on as the mention of the world. And what
a power force, folks. He is making his point in
between cuffs. I love it.

Speaker 8 (54:51):
I make bright a song and you can call the
coffee to death or heading to This stuff really does matter,
carlas the world is watching and Israel has to be strong,
but we have to be compassionate to those who are suffering,
and that's not happening.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
We're gonna take a break for our advertiser, Robotescent, and
we'll be right. We'll be right back. What are you drinking?
Why do you have some hot hot tea?

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Honey?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
You know what's great, Frank, just for the future. Honey
is magic. Frank. You take two three teaspoonfuls. You stop
coughing right away.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
And you know I have nothing else except except Presco
and popcorn.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I love popcorn. That's all we usedee, all of us.
We'd sit around Vegas and we'd have damn popcorn into
the wee hours. We still love our popcorn.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Still, Do you guys have anything stronger than that?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
When you're in Vegas, Frank, when we have lunch, I'm
gonna blow you away when I tell you I was
the luckiest teenager in the world. And hanging with those guys,
they did it all. These were men, They were smokers,
they were drinkers, they were gamblers, womanizing. Now, I didn't

(56:11):
partake in all of it, but one under three or four.
I was a happy kid. Every show girl who showed up,
I'm next, and I'm only five six. When I danced
with those topless women, man, I wasn't a trade places
with anybody. The steam room was the point of the
social vibe in Vegas, and we all would meet Frank

(56:35):
in that steam room behind the Sands Hotel after every show.
They would bring food Jace Seabring would come up and
cut her hair. We did everything that you would think of,
and I loved it. It was a great experience for me,
a great learning, learning process being involved with all those guys.
They taught me a great deal what to do and

(56:56):
what not to do.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Frankly, so we've been at this for an hour, it
does feels like twenty minutes. But just before we go,
talk for a minute, if you would, about your relationship
with Mike Milkan, how that first developed. And I know
he thinks so highly of you, clearly, whenever he has
the Milk and Institute, he wants to make sure you're
a speaker. I know you just went to the Hamptons.

(57:17):
He had an event there. He wanted to be sure
you were there. I know that. You know you have
a very special kind of relationship with a very special guy,
and I'm just curious how that first developed.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Well, he ignored me completely for two years. I could
not get through it to him. And it was Steve Lynn,
your friend, both of your friends. It was when who
put me on Milkin's plane and said to Mike, pay
attention to this guy, but he can help you. And
Milkie would not talk to me guess on the play
goes to the back we land in La Milkin comes off,

(57:50):
shakes my hand and says, sometime I want to meet you. Well,
that's not help. It took two years to make the connection.
And the reason why the connection matters. It's a great
way to end this conversation is that Milkin got involved
in my life and I started to share with him
language to celebrate the American dream and language to celebrate capitalism,

(58:13):
which I call the economic freedom. And instead of economic growth,
you talk about a healthy economy instead of human capitalist,
human talent. All this library start. I had a stroke
five years ago, and I then had another incident I
don't know what they call it, and then a third one.
Basically my blood pressure was out of control and causing
me a lot of damage. And after the third one,

(58:36):
Milkin heard about it and sentence driver to pick me up,
and I said, I'm not going to Mike's office, I'm
going home and had enough. And they said, now you
don't understand. If I don't pick you up and take
you home, take you to Mike's place. If I'll let
you go home, I'll be five. So I let the
guy drive me to Mike's office. He walks out, I'm
going to have the coach here. I've got it in

(58:59):
this in my West Point apartment and Mike comes out
from her on the desk and gives me a hug.
Mike is not a touchy feely guy. Mike is not
an emotional guy. And he gives me a house and
he says, you're trying to kill yourself, and I'm not
gonna let you do it. You don't take good care
of yourself, and we're all frustrated or scared for you.

(59:20):
So what's gonna take. He calls his assistant in and says,
how much do I have to pay you? I'll pay
you every single month. You tell me the amount, I'll
write you the first check right now? What do I
have to pay you to stay alive? And at that moment,
I thought, here's the smartest human being in the world
on finance. He's the smartest person I've ever worked with,

(59:45):
and he has to pay me to stay alive. And honestly, Skip,
I lost it because I'm embarrassed. And I went from
two hundred and thirty eight pounds the one hundred and
seventy one in eight months. They gave me his trainer,
gave me his nutritionist, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I got healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Not that I've been healthy during this podcast, but that
was five years ago, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
We'll limit it to Anthony Heat.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
And that's been the story of my life all I
used to sing your song my Way when I would
get drunk a pen with my best friends and we
knew all the words. He would belt it out and
I am a horrible, horrible singer. But you know what,
over the last forty years, I have gone to know
some pretty cool people and they've been very kind to me,

(01:00:39):
and I'm grateful. And I'm about to get off this
podcast to moderate something that no one's ever done before,
black mail chump voters. I've gathered a dozen of them
from my own podcasts that'll go out later this week.
And my office is call me and yell at me
right now for not being on that. But I wanted
to do this with you and with Skip, and Skip

(01:01:01):
I'm grateful for giving me this opportunity because the idea
of having of sharing an hour with you, Paul, and
being able to thank Skip for being a part of
my life. I'm so grateful and so blessed and having
people like Mike milkn go out of their way to

(01:01:23):
keep me around. Oh lackey guy, And I'm grateful. And
this is my chance to say two words that we
don't say enough.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Thank you, well, thank you, thank you. You're the busiest
guy in town today, so the fact that you took
the time out to do this for two of your
pals means the world to Paul into me, and I mean,
I have to say, as long as I've known you,
I could listen to you for hours. A fascinating guy
and a wonderful friend. So thanks for doing this met you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
And for me also, Frank, I know you collect a
lot of memorabilia here, You've got stuff fall over the house.
I'm going to bring you from me, something from my
archive in my humble presentation to you, hoping it fits
that wonderful life that you've been living. And I echo
everything about Mike. I've known him for years and he's
a very unusual, unusual human being, and you are Frank.

(01:02:19):
And I look forward to lunch real soon.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Okay, guys, I'm grateful, and please stay healthy and let's
do a hundred. I want to see a hundred of
your podcasts.

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