September 28, 2023 • 28 mins
After months of planning and years of organizing, a daring group of undocumented organizers embark on their biggest and most dangerous demonstration yet. The mission: bring home six Dreamers who were now living in Mexico and could not benefit from DACA.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is Out of the Shadows, a podcast about America's
tangled history of immigration. I'm Patti Rodriguez America LINDO. Last season,
we tackled Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty six Amnesty Act. This season,
we're tracing the origins of DACA, or Deferred Action for
Childhood Arrivals, a contentious executive order to protect on documentary
(00:33):
young people from being.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Deported issued by former President Barack Obama in twenty twelve.
DACA was meant to be a temporary stop gap on
a broken immigration system. It was like putting a bucket
under a leaky roof, But with multiple Supreme Court challenges
and looming presidential elections, the roof feels like it may
collapse at any moment, impacting the US economy and American
(00:58):
culture as we know it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Meanwhile, the future.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Of millions of lives aims in the balance.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Welcome to Out of the Shadows, Dreamers. In twenty thirteen,
(01:27):
a year after DOCA was announced, many people, including those
who fought to get President Obama to issue the DOCA
executive order, felt the administration wasn't doing enough to stop deportations.
Enter Lisabet Matteo, Lulu Martinez, Marcos of Adra, and Mohammed
mo Abdullahi. After months of planning and years of organizing,
(01:51):
this daring group of undocumented organizers embarked on their biggest
and most dangerous demonstration yet.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
The mission bring home six undocumented dreamers who are now
living in Mexico and could not benefit from DACA, Adrea Navias,
Sefreno Santiago Gladiamao, Luis Leone, and Maria Yes Venice. The
(02:24):
campaign was called hashtag bring Them Home and was designed
to accomplish its goals using the pressures of the press,
social media, and some good old fashioned do the right thing.
Mohammed stayed back in the US to coordinate the mission,
and the rest of the group met at the Tomales,
Mexico border dressed in cap and gowns to bring attention
(02:48):
to the immigration crisis and those who were left out
by DACA. They were all arrested and held in captivity
for seventeen days. This is their story.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Told by them.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
My name is Mohammed, usually just go by Mo only.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
My name is Claudia Amado. I am from Tijuana, Mexico
and I lived in Wichita, Kansas.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
My name is lisped Matteo. I was born and raised
in Wahaka, Mexico, in a small town called Fantomaslant. I
lived there until I was fourteen. Ever since I can remember,
I will always tell my parents I want to be
some an attorney. And even though we grew up in
a small, you know, ural community, and I had never
met an attorney in my life, my parents always said, yes,
(03:40):
you're going to be someone attorney. They never said no.
They never encouraged me. But of course I grew up
and they realized it's going to be impossible for us
to pay for this. I knew it was a document.
I mean, I knew how that I have papers. I
crossed the border and it was an as pleasant experience, right,
(04:01):
But I didn't understand how difficult life was going to
be being an adostmenter person. I mean I became an
dostment at Agel fourteen. What led to the dream nine,
I think was years and years of organizing and trying
different things and being, you know, playing the game of
I'm going to tell you my story and hopefully that's
(04:24):
going to make you feel something, and I'm going to
beg and I'm going to really show how American I
am so Dream nine is or was a project that
was organized by the National Thing within us alives. So
the National Resuth Alliance was an organization that came out
of United with Dreams. I was at that first meeting
(04:46):
when United Dream was performed of an organization. That's where
I met Muhammad and other adoption medium people.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Our goal was in power, educate, escalate. Our focus was
undocumented folks, those directly affected by the issue. The goal
was all these like anti immigrant laws and legislations that
were passing. If those members in the state houses or
wherever actually had a population of undocumented folks that were
not afraid of.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Them, that would confront them, that would be in their office,
this type of legislation would not exist. Maybe that was
our goal around that time, was to get more folks
on actually fighting making everyone undeportable.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Dreams ended up sailing in twenty ten, so a month
later we formed the National MOVEMTIC Alliance. We had done
a student or actually several students. We're undocumenting young people
essentially force the government to arrest us. We knew that
then documenting young people, the community that we have formed
(05:53):
was ready to fight and could actually stop our own duputation.
So as a result of that, we continue to do
more more and more people will call it radical. I
don't necessarily like that works. Other people will be anything
radical about it. We were just kind of dramatizing, but
was already happening in our community. Young people were being
detained and deported, parents will betained and reported in families.
(06:16):
The entire time was was being destroyed. So we wanted
to use the privilege that we had as undocumingly young
people and share our stories. There were a lot of
promises and different presidents and lected officials that will come
and talk to us about immigration about how they wanted
to pack the dreamas and all kinds of things, and
(06:38):
then really nothing happening except thousands of thousands of repretations
that some of them touched us personally, including my family.
So I think we just said, Okay, we're going to
we're going to go and stuff support and bring back
other Dreamers. So I wanted to come home because this
is their home and we're going to prove a point
and we're going to pressure the government and getting warning.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So Dream nine. The way that we operated was every
action that we did sort of led to the next action,
And so the concept of asylum became something that we
started becoming more familiar with, like the different like levers
within requesting asylum that acted sort of as discretion or
(07:22):
stay of removal sort of in that same concept. And
then through doing that work, we also started having we
were very like angry people, I got to say that
of like, we had some cases that got deported that
we were really fucking pissed off about of how dare
the Obama administration deport X y Z person? And so
those personal grudges really is what drove us to find solutions.
(07:48):
And so we fell on this sort of concept after
doing like three or four infiltrations of different detention centers
of like what happens to someone when they are deported
from the US. And so yeah, we set up this
campaign where we could find dreamers in Mexico or other
parts of the world that wanted to come back to
the US and we would sort of do this public
(08:08):
action traditional caps and gowns, and in order to make
this action successful, we would have to send some of
our folks from the US to self deport essentially, because
we very much believed and we can't ask anybody else
to do something that we're not willing to do ourselves
and take those risks personally ourselves.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
In twenty thirteen, they reach out to me and they
asked me if I wanted to join us Emble disobedience,
which I immediately say yes. They called me one Thursday
and a Friday morning, I was already on a plane
with my son, who is a US citizen, flying to Nogalist,
Arizona or Mexico. First, even though my identity is one
(08:52):
of those like the Dreamers, because of my age, politically
didn't fit into it. So nobody expected my case to
be successful when DAKA came up, even some of my
sisters are worked the US by one year. They instead
part of that action was inspired on like why are
(09:12):
many of us left out? I mean that the goal
was directed to President Obama right where at the time
that he was saying like we're only deporting criminals, and
then we were just like bringing the fact that that
wasn't true.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I mean at that time, like looking back, yeah, we
were some brave kids.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
When we come back, the dream nine arrive in Nogles,
Mexico to stage one of the most dangerous demonstrations in
the history of the immigration rights movement. That's after the break.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's late July and twenty thirteen, and the dream Nine
are preparing to launch one of the riskiest acts of
civil disobedience and immigration rights history. They walk arm in
arm to the US point of entry in Nogales, Mexico.
They wore the graduation caps and gowns, an un official
symbol of the Dreamer movement meant to expose the flaws
(10:42):
in the current immigration system. Here's Lizabeth Matteo again.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
They were taking a successity right away. So when we
present ourselves, you know, we were actually had a pie style.
We had something to obviously legally entry to the US,
and so we said no, we have this letter basically
saying hey, like we're here to speak humanitarian role, we
have family in the US, we want to go back
to homes, blah blah blah. As soon as each one
(11:09):
of us arrived at the gates, they officed their role
taper tapping down in pancfes. So we were basically changed
and put in a an a van. The events are
ready to wait for us, right, so we didn't really
have to stand there and see what. You know, see,
the guards tried to figure out what was going on.
(11:29):
They were prepared, you know, we kind of gave their
heads up by doing a press release and then media
also reach out to them asking for comment. So it
was it was super fast, It was super quick. They
didn't they didn't really say anything. They didn't they didn't
really question us. They didn't. I don't want to say
they went along with it, but I think they wanted
(11:50):
just to remove us from the from all the media
attention and all that you know, supporters as quickly as possible.
So we just put up an event and drove us
another place.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
We spent several hours at the processing center at the border,
and then probably close to midnight, I want to say,
they took us out and to the icebox or they
called the peretta very uncomfortable kind of like a minivan
with no seats. The girls were taken in one of
those and the boys were taking in a different one,
(12:24):
and we were handcaffed, super cold. And then they will
like drive like crazy. They will like we need the tracks,
so we were moving very uncomfortable. We bumped our heads.
We will ask them to please turn off the AC
and they will just start laughing or like turn the
music up. It was a really bad experience. It felt
(12:53):
like it was an eternity. Then later we found out
that it was a couple hours. First night they took
us to Florence in Arizona and that detention center where
we only spent that night. What we heard is that
the ladies they were not allowed to talk to us,
so they blocked communications. So the Dream of nine we
(13:15):
declared hunger strike. And then I think some of the
women in other parts they hear that in the TV
and they decided they were going to join us. And
that was hard for the for the detention center, like
they were not happy at all, So most of us
were placed in isolation. Unfortunately, some of us just couldn't
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handle it that long. I think some of us started
like little by little leaving that hunger strike. In my case,
my sugar. They had to take me to the nurse
because my sugar levels went pretty low and I had
to quit that. And the only one that really was
for like five days in hunger strike was.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
This that so I refused to eat. So we did
a hunger strike because we didn't have asked to our
phone or to the phone. Every time we try to
place a phone call. It wouldn't go through, and I
wanted to talk to my family. I wanted to talk
to you know, to someone outside, and no, I'm okay,
(14:20):
because I was worried about my parents. I was worried about,
you know, my family. Eventually I was able to see
them on TV because then my parents became very public
and started organizing and then going around and doing an interviews.
Is talking about their daughter and why she should bring me,
she should come home, which is not something that we
planned or that I asked them to do. I actually
told them not to do any effect, but they said, no,
(14:42):
we're gonna fight. We're gonna fight for you. So because
I did the hunger strike, I refused to eat for
like five days, so I was I was placed in
solitary confinements and the guards will come and bring me food.
And then we started making popcorns, which is not something
they do, but they will, you know, they will bring
like a little car and make popcorns so that I
(15:04):
would smell the food and they will, you know, make
me eat, but I refused. I only ate ut because
I had to do an interview with emmigration the next day.
So many attorneys said, you have to leave. You have
to be losing, you have to be strong, And I said, okay,
I'll eat.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think she lost like ten percent of her body
mass or something.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
She was.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I mean, she's little by mighty. I totally admire her.
And I remember things were getting like so out of
control that I am. I used to see her. We
couldn't talk, so I used to see her and I
just make sience like cut the hunger straight. We need you.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So how long were you entertaining?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
For seventeen days?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
We were talking to a lot of folks, young people
that had been deported or had self deported, and in
Mexico or in other countries, they were not treated as equals.
They couldn't go to school because they had lived in
the US, they couldn't get a job, their accent, they
were targeted by cartels, and so this sort of like
concept of being American was what was creating a target
(16:20):
on their backs. We came up with this idea of
there's an asylum. There's five essentially race, religion, sexual orientation,
particular social group. If you're a part of sort of
these categories, you can claim asylum. And so we wanted
to create Dreamer as a particular social group. The fact
that people living in Mexico get affiliated with being American,
(16:43):
therefore they get targeted for cartel violence other things.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So what our Atturney West ask and it was humanitarian
for all, and they didn't move in that direction, so
they started the attorney decided that we asked for asylum,
and like you know, my father was killed, my husband's
brother was killed by police officers in Mexico, and my
husband was kidnapped. My husband's last name is never in
(17:14):
common in Mexico, so we were like a target for them.
So we had a lot of brands, so that we
moved into the asylum case and then we were taking
one day to Florence to those interviews that they do,
the credible fear interviews, and apparently all of us past
those credible fear interviews and that's when they order our release.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
After the break, the Dream Nine is released from the tension.
But what happened after and was it worth it stay
with us? After spending seventeen days in a detention center,
(18:17):
the Dream Nine were finally released. Here's Claudia Amado, the
oldest member in the group and the only mother, remembering
what it was like to be reunited with her family
and reflecting on her life as an organizer.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We were released and they took us into the Greyhound
bus station and some family members my mom, my son
definitely was the war there. And then after that, I
remember we were received, They took us to a restaurant,
they fed us, and then I remember was split. I
don't remember all the details, but I remember a group
(18:57):
went to a place and we were still working on
the organizing side. My perspective from organizing is just like
just by sharing my story right and being like even
when I still talk to people and they asked me
about detention, immigration attention is like, it's just giving them
my perspective that not even an immigration attorney's going to
(19:17):
keep like what happened inside. I didn't detain two times
by immigration, so I know exactly like you know that
they give you a three second, three minute call. I
know that you have to have your ain numbers, so
all those things that you have to know. And how
different it was the first time that the detainment detained me,
even though it was only one night, it was like
(19:38):
a nightmer for me than when I was already prepared personally.
Like I said, my son's life is totally different. Now
he's married. I'm going to be a grandma, and he
had to go through a lot of therapy in Mexico.
(20:00):
His healthier here. He has a good social life and
normal life that I don't think he would have it
in Mexico. And again, I love Mexico, but it just
wasn't for us anymore. And then I had been able
to move from just being an activist or being seen
(20:20):
as an activist as a respected woman of business here
and which in our community and people know my story,
people know I'm still undocumented in a way. People will
call me all the time, Hey, my husband was arrested,
What should I do? And just being able to help them,
giving them the calm and some tools for them to
fight for their cases, that just huge for me. And
(20:42):
again all of that I learned through the action that
we didn't jord Night.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
This incredible action by the Dream nine highlighted the urgency
of addressing their legal status and demonstrated their power, contributing
to the national conversation, which was covered up close and
personal by two legendary journalists. One of those was Mariaino
Hosa Hostel Latino USA.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
I just remember hearing about the Dream Nine at the
very beginning and again just thinking like, wow, what kind
of extraordinary human being an activist does it take to
risk everything? What they did is really extraordinary. I don't
like to make comparisons in terms of civil rights actions
(21:30):
because each one of them is so important. But to me,
the Dream nine have not been recognized yet. I know
they will be. But they are like the people who
participated in the Montgomery bus boycott. They are people who
crossed the bridge in Selma, Alabama. They are the people
(21:53):
who you know, protested the murders of the little girls
in Little Rock. So we are all part of a
country that says it believes in democracy. And so the
dream that I just simply were carrying on that tradition.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
The other was Ramo's renowned journalist.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
I think that's incredibly important because when you were born
in a house, in a family in which your parents
and your grandparentsslitos, it was papass when they tell you,
mikho miha, be silent, Please be silent, because that's the
only way to survive. And you know something, they were right,
because back then you needed to be silent in order
(22:36):
to survive. In this country, because if you didn't, then
you would be detained and you would be deported. So
the idea of being silent and being invisible was very important.
But the big change was to realize that the political
momentum had changed, that there was the possibility to present
themselves to the country in a different way, and that
(22:57):
that strategy wasn't going to work anymore. I mean, for
how long can you sustain a policy of being invisible
and being silent and succeed And so being unafraid and
being openly undocumented I think was incredibly important because it
gave them a sense of identity. So the fact that
they were out and they could tell the world I'm
(23:19):
undocumented and I need your help and this has to change,
I think was incredibly important just to be out there.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The Dream nine demonstration brought a lot of attention. It
was also a double edged sword for this Beth, who
I dreamt of being a lawyer. Her participation in the
Dream nine meant that she was banned from applying for DHAKA.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
So I did qualify for data, and I you know,
I still say that I qualify for that, but I
didn't apply for it because I knew I was going
to end up being at a point, so I I
just said, I'm going to wait, I'm not going to
apply for DATA. I'm going to go do this thing.
And that would be basically that's it. Because I had
been trying to stay away from organizing for a while,
(24:03):
but I just couldn't. And then I decided to apply
to law school, and I said, Okay, well this is
going to be it because I have to go to
lawsuit now I have to concentrate on myself in my dream.
So I didn't apply to DOCTA because I knew I
was going to be leaving and doing the whole, the
whole dream nine experience. So when I came back, I
(24:25):
was facing a more proceeding then my remote proceedings for
that nature week close. And then I applied for DACA.
Finally was for that one. Was in law school and
I waited over a year to hear I think over
a year to hear from USCIS, and I heard from
us AS the week after I graduated from law school,
(24:46):
as I was studying for the bar, As I was
starting my bar press, I just this letter from UCAS
saying that they hadn't intend to denye. That's that because
I left, but that I could explain why I should
still be granted that. Spent about eight months after that,
up until January twelfth, trying to trying to fight to
(25:10):
get that guy. At some point I heard that it
got denied, and then the end of her mind it
wasn't denied. While we have here's another letter and of
more evidence of why you should be granted that. So
I was working with several members of Congress in the
conclusion that they came to was that it was a
political decision. That is telarly came to on on that
(25:32):
they would probably give me back up, but if that
Trump wanted it would deny me dacka because they didn't
want to put Baca on jeopardy, which I mean now
we know that would have made no difference, I think.
But yeah, that's that's why I was denied that by
the Environment Administration eight days before Trump before So for
(25:53):
the past ten almost ten years, I've been just working
to first like finished boschol Rite, passed the bar, became
an attorney. I'm not gonna sit here and lie and
say that it's been easy. I had a really, really
difficult time after I was told that I could, I
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would likely not be granted back up because I had
job offers, and I had a plan for my life,
and I knew what I wanted to do, so I
was very excited for taking the bar as favor as
that sounds, I was super happy about that. I was excited,
I knew what was going to come after. And then
all of that just disappeared the minute I was told
that they had been intensively ninety back up.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Despite heroic actions and sacrifices of Lisped in the Dream nine,
this country's immigration system remains broken and seemingly random to
those who are stuck between the US and the countries
where they came from, between documented and undocumented, and between
the cracks.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
He'd served to be here.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
He came here when he was about one or two,
but unfortunately the data requirements didn't match his criteria because
he was too old, even though he had been here
for like his whole lifetime.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's next time on Out of the Shadows. Out of
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(27:40):
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This is Out of the Shadows, a podcast about America's
tangled history of immigration. I'm Patti Rodriguez America LINDO. Last season,
we tackled Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty six Amnesty Act. This season,
we're tracing the origins of DACA, or Deferred Action for
Childhood Arrivals, a contentious executive order to protect on documentary
(00:33):
young people from being.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Deported issued by former President Barack Obama in twenty twelve.
DACA was meant to be a temporary stop gap on
a broken immigration system. It was like putting a bucket
under a leaky roof, But with multiple Supreme Court challenges
and looming presidential elections, the roof feels like it may
collapse at any moment, impacting the US economy and American
(00:58):
culture as we know it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Meanwhile, the future.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Of millions of lives aims in the balance.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Welcome to Out of the Shadows, Dreamers. In twenty thirteen,
(01:27):
a year after DOCA was announced, many people, including those
who fought to get President Obama to issue the DOCA
executive order, felt the administration wasn't doing enough to stop deportations.
Enter Lisabet Matteo, Lulu Martinez, Marcos of Adra, and Mohammed
mo Abdullahi. After months of planning and years of organizing,
(01:51):
this daring group of undocumented organizers embarked on their biggest
and most dangerous demonstration yet.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
The mission bring home six undocumented dreamers who are now
living in Mexico and could not benefit from DACA, Adrea Navias,
Sefreno Santiago Gladiamao, Luis Leone, and Maria Yes Venice. The
(02:24):
campaign was called hashtag bring Them Home and was designed
to accomplish its goals using the pressures of the press,
social media, and some good old fashioned do the right thing.
Mohammed stayed back in the US to coordinate the mission,
and the rest of the group met at the Tomales,
Mexico border dressed in cap and gowns to bring attention
(02:48):
to the immigration crisis and those who were left out
by DACA. They were all arrested and held in captivity
for seventeen days. This is their story.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Told by them.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
My name is Mohammed, usually just go by Mo only.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
My name is Claudia Amado. I am from Tijuana, Mexico
and I lived in Wichita, Kansas.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
My name is lisped Matteo. I was born and raised
in Wahaka, Mexico, in a small town called Fantomaslant. I
lived there until I was fourteen. Ever since I can remember,
I will always tell my parents I want to be
some an attorney. And even though we grew up in
a small, you know, ural community, and I had never
met an attorney in my life, my parents always said, yes,
(03:40):
you're going to be someone attorney. They never said no.
They never encouraged me. But of course I grew up
and they realized it's going to be impossible for us
to pay for this. I knew it was a document.
I mean, I knew how that I have papers. I
crossed the border and it was an as pleasant experience, right,
(04:01):
But I didn't understand how difficult life was going to
be being an adostmenter person. I mean I became an
dostment at Agel fourteen. What led to the dream nine,
I think was years and years of organizing and trying
different things and being, you know, playing the game of
I'm going to tell you my story and hopefully that's
(04:24):
going to make you feel something, and I'm going to
beg and I'm going to really show how American I
am so Dream nine is or was a project that
was organized by the National Thing within us alives. So
the National Resuth Alliance was an organization that came out
of United with Dreams. I was at that first meeting
(04:46):
when United Dream was performed of an organization. That's where
I met Muhammad and other adoption medium people.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Our goal was in power, educate, escalate. Our focus was
undocumented folks, those directly affected by the issue. The goal
was all these like anti immigrant laws and legislations that
were passing. If those members in the state houses or
wherever actually had a population of undocumented folks that were
not afraid of.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Them, that would confront them, that would be in their office,
this type of legislation would not exist. Maybe that was
our goal around that time, was to get more folks
on actually fighting making everyone undeportable.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Dreams ended up sailing in twenty ten, so a month
later we formed the National MOVEMTIC Alliance. We had done
a student or actually several students. We're undocumenting young people
essentially force the government to arrest us. We knew that
then documenting young people, the community that we have formed
(05:53):
was ready to fight and could actually stop our own duputation.
So as a result of that, we continue to do
more more and more people will call it radical. I
don't necessarily like that works. Other people will be anything
radical about it. We were just kind of dramatizing, but
was already happening in our community. Young people were being
detained and deported, parents will betained and reported in families.
(06:16):
The entire time was was being destroyed. So we wanted
to use the privilege that we had as undocumingly young
people and share our stories. There were a lot of
promises and different presidents and lected officials that will come
and talk to us about immigration about how they wanted
to pack the dreamas and all kinds of things, and
(06:38):
then really nothing happening except thousands of thousands of repretations
that some of them touched us personally, including my family.
So I think we just said, Okay, we're going to
we're going to go and stuff support and bring back
other Dreamers. So I wanted to come home because this
is their home and we're going to prove a point
and we're going to pressure the government and getting warning.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So Dream nine. The way that we operated was every
action that we did sort of led to the next action,
And so the concept of asylum became something that we
started becoming more familiar with, like the different like levers
within requesting asylum that acted sort of as discretion or
(07:22):
stay of removal sort of in that same concept. And
then through doing that work, we also started having we
were very like angry people, I got to say that
of like, we had some cases that got deported that
we were really fucking pissed off about of how dare
the Obama administration deport X y Z person? And so
those personal grudges really is what drove us to find solutions.
(07:48):
And so we fell on this sort of concept after
doing like three or four infiltrations of different detention centers
of like what happens to someone when they are deported
from the US. And so yeah, we set up this
campaign where we could find dreamers in Mexico or other
parts of the world that wanted to come back to
the US and we would sort of do this public
(08:08):
action traditional caps and gowns, and in order to make
this action successful, we would have to send some of
our folks from the US to self deport essentially, because
we very much believed and we can't ask anybody else
to do something that we're not willing to do ourselves
and take those risks personally ourselves.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
In twenty thirteen, they reach out to me and they
asked me if I wanted to join us Emble disobedience,
which I immediately say yes. They called me one Thursday
and a Friday morning, I was already on a plane
with my son, who is a US citizen, flying to Nogalist,
Arizona or Mexico. First, even though my identity is one
(08:52):
of those like the Dreamers, because of my age, politically
didn't fit into it. So nobody expected my case to
be successful when DAKA came up, even some of my
sisters are worked the US by one year. They instead
part of that action was inspired on like why are
(09:12):
many of us left out? I mean that the goal
was directed to President Obama right where at the time
that he was saying like we're only deporting criminals, and
then we were just like bringing the fact that that
wasn't true.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I mean at that time, like looking back, yeah, we
were some brave kids.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
When we come back, the dream nine arrive in Nogles,
Mexico to stage one of the most dangerous demonstrations in
the history of the immigration rights movement. That's after the break.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's late July and twenty thirteen, and the dream Nine
are preparing to launch one of the riskiest acts of
civil disobedience and immigration rights history. They walk arm in
arm to the US point of entry in Nogales, Mexico.
They wore the graduation caps and gowns, an un official
symbol of the Dreamer movement meant to expose the flaws
(10:42):
in the current immigration system. Here's Lizabeth Matteo again.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
They were taking a successity right away. So when we
present ourselves, you know, we were actually had a pie style.
We had something to obviously legally entry to the US,
and so we said no, we have this letter basically
saying hey, like we're here to speak humanitarian role, we
have family in the US, we want to go back
to homes, blah blah blah. As soon as each one
(11:09):
of us arrived at the gates, they officed their role
taper tapping down in pancfes. So we were basically changed
and put in a an a van. The events are
ready to wait for us, right, so we didn't really
have to stand there and see what. You know, see,
the guards tried to figure out what was going on.
(11:29):
They were prepared, you know, we kind of gave their
heads up by doing a press release and then media
also reach out to them asking for comment. So it
was it was super fast, It was super quick. They
didn't they didn't really say anything. They didn't they didn't
really question us. They didn't. I don't want to say
they went along with it, but I think they wanted
(11:50):
just to remove us from the from all the media
attention and all that you know, supporters as quickly as possible.
So we just put up an event and drove us
another place.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
We spent several hours at the processing center at the border,
and then probably close to midnight, I want to say,
they took us out and to the icebox or they
called the peretta very uncomfortable kind of like a minivan
with no seats. The girls were taken in one of
those and the boys were taking in a different one,
(12:24):
and we were handcaffed, super cold. And then they will
like drive like crazy. They will like we need the tracks,
so we were moving very uncomfortable. We bumped our heads.
We will ask them to please turn off the AC
and they will just start laughing or like turn the
music up. It was a really bad experience. It felt
(12:53):
like it was an eternity. Then later we found out
that it was a couple hours. First night they took
us to Florence in Arizona and that detention center where
we only spent that night. What we heard is that
the ladies they were not allowed to talk to us,
so they blocked communications. So the Dream of nine we
(13:15):
declared hunger strike. And then I think some of the
women in other parts they hear that in the TV
and they decided they were going to join us. And
that was hard for the for the detention center, like
they were not happy at all, So most of us
were placed in isolation. Unfortunately, some of us just couldn't
(13:39):
handle it that long. I think some of us started
like little by little leaving that hunger strike. In my case,
my sugar. They had to take me to the nurse
because my sugar levels went pretty low and I had
to quit that. And the only one that really was
for like five days in hunger strike was.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
This that so I refused to eat. So we did
a hunger strike because we didn't have asked to our
phone or to the phone. Every time we try to
place a phone call. It wouldn't go through, and I
wanted to talk to my family. I wanted to talk
to you know, to someone outside, and no, I'm okay,
(14:20):
because I was worried about my parents. I was worried about,
you know, my family. Eventually I was able to see
them on TV because then my parents became very public
and started organizing and then going around and doing an interviews.
Is talking about their daughter and why she should bring me,
she should come home, which is not something that we
planned or that I asked them to do. I actually
told them not to do any effect, but they said, no,
(14:42):
we're gonna fight. We're gonna fight for you. So because
I did the hunger strike, I refused to eat for
like five days, so I was I was placed in
solitary confinements and the guards will come and bring me food.
And then we started making popcorns, which is not something
they do, but they will, you know, they will bring
like a little car and make popcorns so that I
(15:04):
would smell the food and they will, you know, make
me eat, but I refused. I only ate ut because
I had to do an interview with emmigration the next day.
So many attorneys said, you have to leave. You have
to be losing, you have to be strong, And I said, okay,
I'll eat.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I think she lost like ten percent of her body
mass or something.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
She was.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I mean, she's little by mighty. I totally admire her.
And I remember things were getting like so out of
control that I am. I used to see her. We
couldn't talk, so I used to see her and I
just make sience like cut the hunger straight. We need you.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So how long were you entertaining?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
For seventeen days?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
We were talking to a lot of folks, young people
that had been deported or had self deported, and in
Mexico or in other countries, they were not treated as equals.
They couldn't go to school because they had lived in
the US, they couldn't get a job, their accent, they
were targeted by cartels, and so this sort of like
concept of being American was what was creating a target
(16:20):
on their backs. We came up with this idea of
there's an asylum. There's five essentially race, religion, sexual orientation,
particular social group. If you're a part of sort of
these categories, you can claim asylum. And so we wanted
to create Dreamer as a particular social group. The fact
that people living in Mexico get affiliated with being American,
(16:43):
therefore they get targeted for cartel violence other things.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So what our Atturney West ask and it was humanitarian
for all, and they didn't move in that direction, so
they started the attorney decided that we asked for asylum,
and like you know, my father was killed, my husband's
brother was killed by police officers in Mexico, and my
husband was kidnapped. My husband's last name is never in
(17:14):
common in Mexico, so we were like a target for them.
So we had a lot of brands, so that we
moved into the asylum case and then we were taking
one day to Florence to those interviews that they do,
the credible fear interviews, and apparently all of us past
those credible fear interviews and that's when they order our release.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
After the break, the Dream Nine is released from the tension.
But what happened after and was it worth it stay
with us? After spending seventeen days in a detention center,
(18:17):
the Dream Nine were finally released. Here's Claudia Amado, the
oldest member in the group and the only mother, remembering
what it was like to be reunited with her family
and reflecting on her life as an organizer.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We were released and they took us into the Greyhound
bus station and some family members my mom, my son
definitely was the war there. And then after that, I
remember we were received, They took us to a restaurant,
they fed us, and then I remember was split. I
don't remember all the details, but I remember a group
(18:57):
went to a place and we were still working on
the organizing side. My perspective from organizing is just like
just by sharing my story right and being like even
when I still talk to people and they asked me
about detention, immigration attention is like, it's just giving them
my perspective that not even an immigration attorney's going to
(19:17):
keep like what happened inside. I didn't detain two times
by immigration, so I know exactly like you know that
they give you a three second, three minute call. I
know that you have to have your ain numbers, so
all those things that you have to know. And how
different it was the first time that the detainment detained me,
even though it was only one night, it was like
(19:38):
a nightmer for me than when I was already prepared personally.
Like I said, my son's life is totally different. Now
he's married. I'm going to be a grandma, and he
had to go through a lot of therapy in Mexico.
(20:00):
His healthier here. He has a good social life and
normal life that I don't think he would have it
in Mexico. And again, I love Mexico, but it just
wasn't for us anymore. And then I had been able
to move from just being an activist or being seen
(20:20):
as an activist as a respected woman of business here
and which in our community and people know my story,
people know I'm still undocumented in a way. People will
call me all the time, Hey, my husband was arrested,
What should I do? And just being able to help them,
giving them the calm and some tools for them to
fight for their cases, that just huge for me. And
(20:42):
again all of that I learned through the action that
we didn't jord Night.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
This incredible action by the Dream nine highlighted the urgency
of addressing their legal status and demonstrated their power, contributing
to the national conversation, which was covered up close and
personal by two legendary journalists. One of those was Mariaino
Hosa Hostel Latino USA.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
I just remember hearing about the Dream Nine at the
very beginning and again just thinking like, wow, what kind
of extraordinary human being an activist does it take to
risk everything? What they did is really extraordinary. I don't
like to make comparisons in terms of civil rights actions
(21:30):
because each one of them is so important. But to me,
the Dream nine have not been recognized yet. I know
they will be. But they are like the people who
participated in the Montgomery bus boycott. They are people who
crossed the bridge in Selma, Alabama. They are the people
(21:53):
who you know, protested the murders of the little girls
in Little Rock. So we are all part of a
country that says it believes in democracy. And so the
dream that I just simply were carrying on that tradition.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
The other was Ramo's renowned journalist.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
I think that's incredibly important because when you were born
in a house, in a family in which your parents
and your grandparentsslitos, it was papass when they tell you,
mikho miha, be silent, Please be silent, because that's the
only way to survive. And you know something, they were right,
because back then you needed to be silent in order
(22:36):
to survive. In this country, because if you didn't, then
you would be detained and you would be deported. So
the idea of being silent and being invisible was very important.
But the big change was to realize that the political
momentum had changed, that there was the possibility to present
themselves to the country in a different way, and that
(22:57):
that strategy wasn't going to work anymore. I mean, for
how long can you sustain a policy of being invisible
and being silent and succeed And so being unafraid and
being openly undocumented I think was incredibly important because it
gave them a sense of identity. So the fact that
they were out and they could tell the world I'm
(23:19):
undocumented and I need your help and this has to change,
I think was incredibly important just to be out there.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The Dream nine demonstration brought a lot of attention. It
was also a double edged sword for this Beth, who
I dreamt of being a lawyer. Her participation in the
Dream nine meant that she was banned from applying for DHAKA.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
So I did qualify for data, and I you know,
I still say that I qualify for that, but I
didn't apply for it because I knew I was going
to end up being at a point, so I I
just said, I'm going to wait, I'm not going to
apply for DATA. I'm going to go do this thing.
And that would be basically that's it. Because I had
been trying to stay away from organizing for a while,
(24:03):
but I just couldn't. And then I decided to apply
to law school, and I said, Okay, well this is
going to be it because I have to go to
lawsuit now I have to concentrate on myself in my dream.
So I didn't apply to DOCTA because I knew I
was going to be leaving and doing the whole, the
whole dream nine experience. So when I came back, I
(24:25):
was facing a more proceeding then my remote proceedings for
that nature week close. And then I applied for DACA.
Finally was for that one. Was in law school and
I waited over a year to hear I think over
a year to hear from USCIS, and I heard from
us AS the week after I graduated from law school,
(24:46):
as I was studying for the bar, As I was
starting my bar press, I just this letter from UCAS
saying that they hadn't intend to denye. That's that because
I left, but that I could explain why I should
still be granted that. Spent about eight months after that,
up until January twelfth, trying to trying to fight to
(25:10):
get that guy. At some point I heard that it
got denied, and then the end of her mind it
wasn't denied. While we have here's another letter and of
more evidence of why you should be granted that. So
I was working with several members of Congress in the
conclusion that they came to was that it was a
political decision. That is telarly came to on on that
(25:32):
they would probably give me back up, but if that
Trump wanted it would deny me dacka because they didn't
want to put Baca on jeopardy, which I mean now
we know that would have made no difference, I think.
But yeah, that's that's why I was denied that by
the Environment Administration eight days before Trump before So for
(25:53):
the past ten almost ten years, I've been just working
to first like finished boschol Rite, passed the bar, became
an attorney. I'm not gonna sit here and lie and
say that it's been easy. I had a really, really
difficult time after I was told that I could, I
(26:16):
would likely not be granted back up because I had
job offers, and I had a plan for my life,
and I knew what I wanted to do, so I
was very excited for taking the bar as favor as
that sounds, I was super happy about that. I was excited,
I knew what was going to come after. And then
all of that just disappeared the minute I was told
that they had been intensively ninety back up.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Despite heroic actions and sacrifices of Lisped in the Dream nine,
this country's immigration system remains broken and seemingly random to
those who are stuck between the US and the countries
where they came from, between documented and undocumented, and between
the cracks.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
He'd served to be here.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
He came here when he was about one or two,
but unfortunately the data requirements didn't match his criteria because
he was too old, even though he had been here
for like his whole lifetime.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's next time on Out of the Shadows. Out of
the Shadows Dreamers is a Cemeto production in partnership with
Iheart'smichael Duda podcast network. It's created, hosted, and executive produced
(27:40):
by me Patti Rodriguez and Eric Galindo. This show was
written by Sessa Hernandez and executive produced by Jiselle Vancis.
Our supervising producer is Arlene Santana. It's produced and edited
by Brianna Flores. Our associate producer is Claudia Marti Gorena
Down the Sign. Mixing and mastering by Jessica Crain Chitch
(28:01):
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