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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Let the beat.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Whoa, I gave it after the Mud put me la
gonna feel me first, see me bag onna do you worse,
get you hurt?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's only fixing all my band. Welcome to after Mud.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Back at him, my man Ta And today we got
a special special guest, Mister Indiana thirteen year NBA career,
one of the best ever.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Do it my boy, Jeff T.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I appreciate having me Man.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Man, appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Take you talk Baby, Appreciate you Man.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Show Man, appreciate you coming on. Man.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I was stepped into the show early. Man.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
I seen y'all first episode. I seen y'all highlight when
I put the real up before the show even dropped.
So I've been a fan since.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, Family, show, appreciate you being on after Mud Man
give us an early rundown.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Man on on how it was run up in Indiana.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
I'm from Indianapolis and the year from the west side
of the exact. So I grew up normal life. My
mom and dad was together. I got a bunch of
brothers and sisters, like six of us, and I live
with my cousins and we had foster kids. We had
all types of stuff, so it was just cool.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
It was not too crazy. What was the basketball real?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
How did that? How did that come about? My pops?

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Uh, he played basketball in college. You played for Rick
Petina at Boston University. So he put a ball in
my hand since I was four, So we've been hooping
ever since then. And my whole family played basketball, seatball. No,
my uncles, my brothers, my aunts, everybody my basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
So it wasn't no, It wasn't no reason why you
will ever be thinking to get off into nothing else
but basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
You know how it is growing up in those areas.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Now, I played ball, but like it got to a
point where you playing ball. Middle school love basketball, high
school girls came and ball. I want who but I
want money too. I started working my cousin markets sold drugs.
He would get me bread, so I ain't really care.
So my junior year I kind of like fell off

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the tracks a little bit until Brad Stevens always telling
me saved my life because he wanted to recruit me,
and he just kind of came out of nowhere and
was like, man, come to Butler showed me my grades
and I had straight d's, and my pops was there,
and I never brung a report card home and my
pops were just like embarrassed almost, And that kind of

(02:29):
just changed my whole trajectory from like hooping and stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Did he did he push you?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Who put what pushed you towards? Like to the hoop?
Like when you got in high school?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Like was it pops because he had their history or
you know the family come from.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, you know Indianapolis ever, I mean Indiana period. Everybody
just hooped. So like growing up, y'all was like folk
heroes up, like you know what I mean, they like,
I remember you had the box like a little box
cut when you was a Mary. I'm like the young
Friends Sman story. Then we like go to the games
and you're going against Jared Jeffers and Sean May and

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we knew that. I remember Chris Thomas was that pipe
And I grew up on the West Side, so I
know y'all remember Rodney Carney.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, my daddy to coach him in high school.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I locked his ass up in the Double A tournament
when they played with Members. Yeah I know him.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yeah, my dad used to coach him in high school.
So I used to see these dudes and I was
just like wanted the hoop. But that's really all it wasn't.
My pops put the ball in him, but he ain't
really forced it, Like you're gonna hoop, You're gonna hoop.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
R gonna you know, Indiana, we the hot bead at basketball.
We've been fucking over ship for real. I said right
after Chicago.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah, y'all all the time say y'all, gott smarter ACQ
of the game. That's what you said.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't see how, but yeah, but y'all we had.
It took him twelve years to stop passing the man.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Your buckets, but you gotta be skilled. He ain't even jump.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Angles.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Meanwhile, talk to us about high school, Like, how was
it in high school growing up?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
See, my high school we got it was like a.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Kind of like a prep school for high school Indianapolis,
but it's a public school.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Like our teams was good every year.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
So like when I was in eighth grade, there was
a number two team in the nation and they had
Courtney Lee all these dudes that went d one. So
my freshman year, I was coming into a situation where
they still had tight, good players, like Courtney was there,
dude named Robert Vague was there, and Pike was just
like a bed for basketball, and that's why I went there.
I wasn't supposed to go there. I was supposed to
go to Northwest High School where Corney went. That's where

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I grew up. My mom, everybody we lived over there.
My dad coached there, my brother went there, my sister
went there. But they kind of recruited me to go
there for basketball.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
So what campus of shit you was going to? Did you?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
What? You? What you do?

Speaker 4 (04:59):
One down point guards? Now ever, I was a street
basketball player. I can tell your game. Yeah, I was
like I was in the N one.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
I wouldn't like my au team. They always my guys
always make fun of me.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
We had.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
I played for no excuses. I played for Gary.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Bay Yeah coach, Yeah, my boy coach best man.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
So we had reversible jerseys. We ain't had no We
ain't have our own short We had to bring our
own shorts. We ain't had no uniform for real. So
my team was kind of like my mom and pop team.
We ain't travel like that. And then my senior year,
coach Connley came and got me and that's when I
played on the circuit.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I played for no excuses too. I played for coach.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, you always tell the story.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I stay at his house, come from Mary. You know
he stayed up Mayor. But thirty seven right there. Yeah, yeah,
it's still still there's still there.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Man, your senior, your come and it's now it's like
the All American Game.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
No, I ain't getting none of that. You know what
I'm saying. How did that feel? Did that? Did that
feel you?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
No?

Speaker 5 (05:58):
So I told you my junior year, Brad Stevenson changed
my life. He put me on the right track I had.
I had several grades. I wasn't going to college. I
was going to You didn't have to go to the
back door. So once he did that, it kind of
embarrassed me. Got my grades together, had to take summer school,
all this stuff got them together. So my junior year,

(06:18):
you know, Indiana, you got Junior All Stars. I wouldn't
focus my junior year, like I was skipping school. I
was doing me and my guy. Look, we were just
on some other stuff. So like I told you my
cousin marcause I was getting Georgie. I was getting five
hundred every weekend. So fresh hat, bro, I had your
bowls on. I was man, I had started I finally

(06:45):
got something. I was just you know, it was up.
It did Junior All Stars, So you made it?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Nah?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, I'm like what and the Eric Gord and all
them dudes on the Junior All Stars. I'm on the
outside looking in, like what the hell? And that summer
I was like, nah, I don't want that feeling no more.
And now I went to go play for Coach Conley
and AU and it kind of just took off.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
So that that that summer, that that AU summer you
had to kill as. Did you go to Nike or
did you go to DTAs I went.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
To At that time, it was Rebok, so uh indy
heat was Rebok and the big thing was Rebock.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
It was Nike and Rebox.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
So Greg Golden was Rebocked and I went on the
Rebox circuit and I killed like we ended up making
it to the final four in big time. I went
to the ABC D camp which was Rebock at that time.
I was unknown, came out sleeper of the camp. I
made the All Star team, but they took me off
the All Star team and put somebody else on there.
I can't remember who it was. They told me like,

(07:47):
you made it. Then they was like, but this dude,
gonna make it instead because we don't know you kind
of thing. I was like, cool, did your rankings go up?

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah? I was unranked and I came back. I was
like fifty.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah was cool.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, that's that's Dann, that's that's crazy that after moments, sure,
but definitely got a lot more to prove playing with
a chip on your shoulder from that point on, see me,
I ain't gonna lie. I got invited to the windys
All American Games, so I was say, I don't know
they probably they give you a letter.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Now I got the taco bill. I was just wondering
taco bill.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Okay, now you know what game I really played, we'll
make it messed up. I really played in the Jermaine
O Neil Classic old classic bro worry that people was
roasting for that ship was so lover man. I had
a new jersey and everything.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
It was just players me Indiana in the game.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I played in the j O class.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's crazy because that's I ain't never I ain't even
knew he had a class.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
That's even worse. Meanwhile, I talk to us about the height.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
What was the process in picking the college because it's like, damn,
you skipped a lot of school to get all the
way over and wake for naw.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
They I was a fan of Chris Paul when I
was a sophomore, so I heard the whole story about
his grandfather don he getting sixty points. So I started
paying attention to him and I was like, just became
a fan of him. And I was like, man, I'm
gonna go to wait for us if I get a chance,
like just talking shit, you know, he be talking with
your guys.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I'm going to do.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
I'm going to Kentucky. I'm gonna go to wake for us.
So when I started getting recruited, per Due then't offered
me a scholarship. So I was gonna commit to Purdue.
I called him like, yeah, I want to come to Purdue.
They like, yeah, we ain't got no scholarships for you
that and I'm like what called Indiana went on to
visit getting the locker room. You know how the coaches

(09:47):
put all the names of the players they recruiting. We
walk in the door, he forgot to shut the door.
So I was an eight point the eighth point guard
that they was recruiting.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
And I'm like damn, I'm eighth on the list. Shit,
I couldn't.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
It was like d Rose, seven other dudes and it
was jeft and I was like at the list and
I had a little star by my name, but I
ain't feel that. And Wake for It started recruiting me
and they just came to everything. And I was already
a fan of Chris Paul. I want to visit see
people was there. It was over shout out Chris.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Paul man man point god me while your little brother like,
I want to know dig in what the backyard.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Battles or the park battles?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
One on one was like with your little brother, we
ain't play.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
My little brother was so different. He was really out
the mug. Yeah nah for real, everybody here, no move.
He was a wild child. So I was like always reserved.
I was always trying to get like some money. So
I was trying to figure out, like they be on
the pot. They always make fun of me. I used
to steal out of CVS candy and ship sell it,
do all types of shit like that.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
The theme that was I was trying to get some money.
My little brother.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
When I was young, we used to have us a
neighborhood apartment complace called Mayfield and people used to hooping
there and my little brother probably like eight twelve. You
don't really go over there unless you're from there, right
in there. So my mom would be like, oh, farm markets,
where are you at? Ride riding around somebody in Mayfield
was like, oh, sh.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Ain't gonna get moved. Some people like we gotta Mayfield. Hey, hey,
my little brother he on the court.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
He was just different.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
So we ain't really played until he got I got
in high school.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
We played a couple of times.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
When I got in college, I came back, I started
playing and I was like, damn man, he cool and
shit like you too, like you advanced, like you strong fast.
So we had an open gym one day. You know
Dominique James. He went against Dominique James and he was
a freshman in high school. Dominicqu James was like all
Big East at the time and he cooked them and

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Dominic James thought he was me. He was like, man,
you're gonna go for the draft this year talking to.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
My little brother. My little brother like a crazy like nah, nigga,
I'm a freshman like and he like what he's like?

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Yeah, he was like I know you had a good
freshman year. Like She's like, no, I'm a freshman in
high school. Nigga and Dommy James looked and I walked
in the gym. He was like, that's your little brother.
He like, oh ship, he going to NBA. I was
damn for really think so. And ever since then he
kind of stamped to be going to the NBA show.
After moud moment right there, Nigga's crazy. He's still crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
After the gold they probably shooting like a mother the man.
My guy from over around there. You know Mayfield. You
supposed to go over there with you and Kyrie, like
your dad. They played together.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
They played in college for Rick Patino at Boston University.
I ain't know that until my little brother. He used
to make all them USA teams and all that stuff,
and Kyrie was there in My dad was like, uh,
my teammates something real good. He was like, man, I
think he might be the best player in the nation,
like any class.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
And it was.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Kyrie and I didn't know him or whatever. And then
my brother came home and told me about him, like nah,
he he cold, like he better than everybody. And then
my dad was like, yeah, teammates with him. Then we
seen him at the All Star Game. They looked like
they was brothers. They hyped laughing.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
About old times, shaking hands, old.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Hands, right you got. Meanwhile, you had brazen man, What
forced you to cut the corn rode?

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Man? Goddamn man, Cause.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I see when I had my ship, I had braids
too and juco but my ship wouldn't grow back here.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Short ship touched it. My ship was on my shoulders.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Now, I had started growing my hair in like fourth grade.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Okay, So then when I got to my senior year
going away for us, my mama was oking braid your hair.
Mama braid in my hair. She was gonna braid your hair.
She was like, to be real, like, ain't no black
people out there? Yeah's gonna break your hair. I'm like,
she wanted me to cut it. I was like, should
I cut it? And I cut it?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, because when I when I got to Oklahoma State,
I still had my braid. She went on vacation. But meanwhile,
Coach Sutton, that was one of his like non negotiation.
Hey man, you wanna play for this program, y'all cut
your hair?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
So me at the.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Time, bro, I didn't I didn't realize when I you know,
you get your hair braided, wash it, you know what
I'm saying, Wash your conditioning, and then get your hair cut.
I took my braids down and then got my hair cut. Man,
I had a ball fade about eight.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
That's happened to me too. So I had to ask
if I had the blinds in my head. Well I
looked at so both, but no, Man, you got to
wait for it. Man, talk talk to me, aybout.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I know it's a lot of you know, a lot
of ethnicities all around the campus.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
You know, it was a culture shock Pikes majority black school.
Like I ain't really talk to anybody else but my guys.
So when I got to Wake Forest, I never really
left home. I went on au trips, that's it. Never
lived nowhere else. I only lived in Indiana. I go
to North Carolina. It was different. Like as soon as

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I get their dudes had on spurs. I'm like, man,
what I got it?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
You know, I wear a Jay's every day, Jeebo's forces hats,
all this stuff, and they got on spurs polos.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
I'm like, man, what And they were just different.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
But it like opened my eyes because they was driving
g wagons and hummers and all this stuff. It's a
private school. So I started seeing that and I'm like,
hold on, And then I had a Yeah. You know,
you meet people whose parents are doing some crazy stuff
and you can't believe, like bro, when they just live
in life, like my parents worth eighty million, my parents

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worth two hundred million.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
You're like, damn real, Like I don't care about this.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
You need something to eat. Jeff like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Giving you. Yeah, I started.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
I was like, let me get some spirits ship, let
me get a polo. Let me trying to blend in.
But it was a culture shock at first.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
So let me ask you about back to skip back.
You the McDonald's game you didn't make. You didn't make
the McDonald's game.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
No, I ain't make none of that.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
So how did you feel about that? Did that put
a chip on your shoulder? And I know you already
playing with it with in Indiana, so we already playing
with a chip on our shoulder.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Anyway, It kind of like solidified me when I went
to ABCD camp because I seen, you know, we play
I played Eric Gordon, Like we can talk about high school.
Every game that I played in high school. My senior year,
it is dang there against the NBA player, so like
I knew they was good. I knew Eric Gordon was
a number two three player in the country. But I
had thirty he had thirty. So I'm like, I ain't

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too far off. So when I went to ABCD and
I became win the best in the camp, I'm like,
all right, I wasn't thinking about McDonald's though. I wan't
think about that. I was just hyped that I was
going to college. Yeah, I won't thinking about it. I
won't think about the league. I wouldn't think about none
of that. I was just like, I was just rolling.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Shot that boy e g Man show The boy Man.
So you wasn't even thinking about the league. So now
tell me what it was like going into your freshman
year at wake Force.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
I ain't play the first seven games, so I try
to transfer because my coach died when I got there,
Skip Prosser died on our summer workouts. We had a workout,
were on the track, we go in, he run around
the track, he come in, he passed away.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
So that's who recruited me.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
I ain't no, none of the other coaches so we
started practicing and stuff. I tried to lead go to Purdue.
They were like wanted me again, like yeah, we'll take
you now. My mom was like, nah, you can't leave,
and I'm like, wow, I want to be closer to
the home. I ain't really like wake for us at
that time. She's like, nah, you gotta stay. I had
a dream. I'm like, what you mean you had a dream?
Like I had a dream you' gonna make to the NBA.

(18:11):
You gotta stay. And so I stayed. But I wasn't playing,
So I'm like that dream up. Yeah, I don't know
what dream you talk about. You know this ain't the doctor.
This ain't doctor King's right here. I got a different dreams.
But now, so I stayed and then eventually, you know,
it's just working hard. They gave me a shot because
we were sad. As I get a freshman the shot.

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In my first game against vender Brod, I had fifteen
coaches like who can score the ball? I'm like, ship,
I can score. He like fuck it you? Starting tonight
I started, I get fifteen and then I just took yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
No.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
And it's funny though, because I was like, for your side.
She was athletic as ship. So I've talked to me
about that training and where the athleticism comes from.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't trying, Bro,
I don't know how I'll keep it real with y'all.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Bro, everybody here know me. Bro, I did not I
just hooped, like I could just hoop. I ain't do drills.
I ain't do none of that.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
I just hoop.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I just play.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
I played. I shot on the gun. That's it, and
I'll play one on one. But like if you put
me in the like when I got to the NBA draft,
I tell y'all, I couldn't do fundamental stuff. It would
I can mimic anybody, like if you find like after
a while, come, if you do it after a couple
of times, I'll be able to do it. But like naturally,
like left to right, step into your shot, I hopped.

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I just did everything wrong. But then if you teach
me how to do it a couple of times, I
get it. But I ain't really trying. I just hooped.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
That's crazy. You play with our boy, James Johnson, Man, Yeah,
tell me what that was like.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Man, I love James Broly. Let's do whatever, and he
the most given do that ever, so we can say
it now. We was getting money in college, Like after
our freshman year we beat Duke. We was lit like
I think he I had twenty six. He had twenty six.
He was about to go to the draft. I'm like, nah,

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you gotta stay because I knew like we could be
good because we was getting out Faroke the next year
and he was a number one player in the country.
I'm like, man, if you stay, we're gonna be hard.
Everybody going to the league. And he was like, no,
I'm gone to you. I'm like, damn, I ain't got
no running mate. And I had my dog was there too,
so it's like we gotta yeah, we gotta get stay.

(20:40):
So I talked to him. He was like, all right,
I figured out to play. He did whatever he had
to do. Stay and it was history. But the thing
I love about James, like I ain't had no money
like my cousins. I had some money because my cousin
has sent me money, but it wasn't no money, like yeah,
he was give me that James would. So James would

(21:02):
be like, hey, every month he got twenty five hundred,
send to your mama. I'll be like I was fucked
up like my mama.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
He's going sounds like Jane here the n I l money.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I don't know what going on shouting to my mother.
But he always made sure like I was cool. I'm
about to He gave me his truck. He about to
go to the draft or sophomore year out and put
my name in. Yet he left right after we lost
in the tournament, and he left the keys to the tower.
He had a new two on twenty six, like, hey,
that's your team. I'm like, I throw that up back

(21:39):
to now. He took the mother back to with No.
I ain't even had no title. I'm just on the
highway still mock man, I would it up?

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Hot?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Is ever?

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I don't know. I was like, man, is this your car?
He's like, nigga, worry about it.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
He tripped James Man, shout to my boy, James, the
only nigga kick a rim?

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, bro, he's so gifted that everything.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
He started breakdancing out of nowhere, go up, flip kick
a rim and he's six two sixty.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
You like, hell, that's my dog. Sure.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
So your second year you earned second team All Conference, Right, Yeah,
I got robbed first.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah, I was all American made second team.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah that's that's odd. Yeah it was that's real. But
did that boost any of your confidence? Did they give
you up another drive?

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Nah?

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Because my freshman year I had made freshman like I
made the fir the freshman team or whatever, right, and
I had twenty six on duke And then the last
game of season I had against NC State, I had
like twenty six. I was like, yeah, I'm here. I
was averaging like eighteen in the ACC. I was like, yeah,
they can't guard me. Getting that into ACC at that time,
I was like, they.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Can't guard damn.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
So that I give a lot of credit. Always make
fun of CP, but I give him a lot of
credit because that summer he came back to wait for
us a lot, and he had Rudy Gay kd Pargo,
Jared Jack, He had all them coming back to wait
for us too, and we would play and ceep. If
you know him, he like tough, like tough on people.

(23:14):
So like when you think you're doing some ship, he
would like try to humble you. So like I was
having good days, he'd be like that motherfucker ain't ready.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
He ain't ready.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
But he was like he was juicing me up to
be like trying to kill people. He like, he ain't
good like that.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Then Pargo just pulled me to the side one because
I shout out to Pargo, but I was killing him
and I talked a bunch of shit.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
So I'm like, man, this motherfucker he played.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
He was just in the playoffs. He can't fuck with
me if he playing. I'm good like doing that and
Seep like play for real. Parko pulled me in aside, said, nigga,
I'm playing for real. Don't worry about this, nigga. You
good who your agent?

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I need an agent? He like, you need an agent?

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Man, I'm like shit bad Like he like, man, you
if you don't go to the league this year, you
playing around. So he kind of gave me a lot
of confidence. Him and Jerry Jake, they both kept telling
me like, boy Jack, you ready, you ready? So I
had that sophomore year and it was good.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, wor word. So that's what that's what. So you
after your second year you decided to come out. So
how was that process?

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Like?

Speaker 1 (24:18):
How many teams do you work out for? Nah?

Speaker 5 (24:20):
So I only worked out for three teams because I
sprained my m CL in my second workout. So I
worked out for Golden State. I ain't I told you,
I ain't really do workouts. I ain't work on ship
like that. So I just went to the workout and
they doing all these drills, they running lines. I ain't
in no shape. I'm tired. I'm like, yeah, I ain't

(24:41):
going Golden State. I told her I ain't going to
Golden State. He was always said that a ship I
ain't play good at all. He's like, all right. The
next day, I go to Minnesota. I go by the
real Summers and I dunked the ball. Du want Summers.
I dunked the ball and he came down on my
leg and so everybody's like, damn, you gotta go back
to stick to him at ACA.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
So I'm like, fuck my dad, like it so over
with boy.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Back to school. You got you gotta get your head right.
And they just came back. It was like a grade
three n CL spring. So I was like, man, and
Coach Collins like, you can stay in the draft. You're
gonna get picked man at twenty one, New Orleans gonna
pick you. So when somebody told me that, I was like,
I'm staying in. Then I did a workout like with
a big ass breaks on with Milwaukee.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
I couldn't move. I just did shooting, and then I
went to the draft.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Man, but that comfort was already the is you already.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Knew yeah twenty one yea, I was. But Atlanta picked
me at nineteen and I ain't never been to Atlanta.
I never All I knew was little John in the
East Side Boys in Magic City, but all I ever
heard of in my life over sure. When we got drafted,
my older brother said that to me. He was like,
I'm going to Atlanta. Fuck Like he was like, man,
were going Magic City? And I was like, I went

(25:59):
on you know typed in Magic City. Yeah, I'm going there.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I'm going there. Meanwhile, what y'all do for the celebration
once you once you got drafted.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
We were just at the crib. I ain't go to
the room. Yeah, I was just at the crib. My name,
my family was there. We just got hyped.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
I ended up going out. Courtney Lee ended up taking
me out.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Uh, he had got drafted the year before, and like
Chris Thomas and all these dudes, they used to hoop around.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
They took me out. But I ain't drinking nothing at
that time, So I was just standing on the wall,
just looking around.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
You're pretty you pretty fair for a squall. It was yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I know you eyeball or something.
I mean, I have yeah, quiet something real fast. We
know you man, don't do that twice. You don't you
know from Chinese name one one don't.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Now, But I tell you, I want to tell a
story about Zo. You always got a story. So, uh,
my rookie year. After my rookie year, I don't play
or nothing, but you know, you come home you still
feel like the man. Like people going. So I had
this birthday party I always do. I always do a
party for my birthday. It was a weekend, and so
I happened to have a party in z Bo Cane
and I had a.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Toya. She was she's a mess with Wayne Wayne first
baby mom. She was like my special guest. So z
Bo came.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
I ain't really got no money, you know what I mean,
I'm a rookie and they like, yeah, you gotta buy
some bottles. I'm like, hell nah, I thought the party
was for me, like a bottle. They like, yeah, it's
gonna be like thirty five hundred.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
I'm like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
I was like, I don't drink. I started. I don't
drink like z Bo Cane. I don't think he knew
me for real.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
He like, what's up, what's up, nephew, khmer, little bro,
appreciate you man, happy for you, man, Congratulations, everything on Meiggs.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's my man forever. Boy.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
He stayed probably stayed probably like ten minutes. Bro, you
all your guys y'all left super quick. But I was like, Bro,
he don't understand how thankful for that show. I appreciated
that boy because I was looking crazy. I'm over there
calling people like he's wiped a car. I ain't got
no car.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
I was like, he's like, everything on me, don't.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Worry about the show. Show family man.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Facts.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
See that was that was what that's de boat anyway,
I ain't gonna lie. I have just seen him do
that a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
He saved me.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
He got a big heart. I told you yesterday he
a real teddy bell. But don't play with him like
at the same time you feel but once on anything, man, yo,
your rookie year man, tell me what it was like
just being a rookie man. You get to Atlanta because
you gotta be focused. I know, Magic City around the corner,
but at the end of the day, your goal is
get on this court.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
I had good best though. Mike Didby was cool.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
He took me under his wing. He always made everything easy.
I ain't never pay for nothing. He taught me the game.
And then I had dudes that was best. But they
was young, Like Joshith was like two years older than me.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
He old sold him.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Yeah, but Marvin Williams was three years older than me.
I hoard for like two years old. But they've been
in the league five years, four or five years, so
they was cool. I could have talked to them, but
like Joe, he was a guy on the team, but
he wouldn't talk. So I'm like, I'm like, I gotta
figure out how Joe him. Like, if Joe liked me,
I'm gonna get on the court. So that was my
biggest thing, trying to build a relationship with Joe, and

(29:24):
eventually me and him got super close and super cool.
And that's kind of how I like went through my
rookie year. It's basically trying to be Joe's friend. And
once I got cool with Joe. I knew I was
gonna play.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Say Joe slid sashe man, Well he ain't say two words.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Man.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
I'm like, boy, you make all this money, boy, got
all these cars. Well you don't say nothing. I've been
in there running shit. Hey, hey, I don't like that
fo that he ain't say a word. But I'm like, damn, Joe,
you don't say nothing. He ain't say a word, boy,
Joe Man, shout out my boy, Joe Man.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
So how was it like you can get some time?
Like what was the probably say, the toughest moment of
your rookie year.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I ain't playing at all, like at all.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Before the year started, Coach Wilson was like, you're not
gonna play something for me in his office. You ain't
gonna play, so don't even worry about it. You're gonna
learn this year. I'm like, damn, bro, you ain't give
me a chance.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Like nah.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
So I was just kind of doing whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
But you got better.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
What was those practices like though? That's where you I
was like you, I think I was eighteen picks so
I didn't play neither.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
But it's just on the flow.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
So back then too, that flow whatever, wood boy, asked me.
Heard all events on the bench. That's where you shop
on flow boy. That was me a lot of games
on the flow boy. It's different y'all had y'all had practice.
We ain't practice. So my team, yeah, got better at practice.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
We ain't do that.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's all crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
He was.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
I was playing Tyrone Hill one on one. He was
a coach.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Me and t Hill play one on one. T Hell
like not on hill, play for the Yeah, he was coach.
He this's how messed up the Hawks was at that time.
He was my workout guy.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I'm like, what I'm gonna learnt from him?

Speaker 4 (31:07):
He said, screens for Irish.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
They like, yeah, to here your guy.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I'm like, man, what that's how He would just like,
come on some shots of the man, get up out
of here, and he ready to get the Magie City.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Oh god, So me and him we just that's how
we do. We like coming at nine o'clock, bro, get
some shots and you can get home. He's like, you
ain't gonna play. You know what I mean, you ain't
gonna play. I wasn't even thinking like I need to
get better. I was more like, shit, I heard it's
the league. I'm making some money though, and then like
my second year, that's when things kind of changed.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Who busted your ass rookie? When you did get some burned?
Like like what do you say? Like, God, damn, I'm
in the league.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I got.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
I got in against Nate Robinson one time when he
went off for like forty He ain't played for like
twenty games in a row, and he got in the game.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
He went for forty on us when I got like
five or six of them points.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
And then, uh, hold on, Bro, there's been a few
interviews I've heard you said you only share, Bro. I'm
gonna have to start looking at this film. Man, you
only got six.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I only played two minutes.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
You get cooked.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Preseason game Flip Murray made me fall, he slipped snatch back.
I went to the I went to the bleachers. I
looked at the bench, all the vests got their face
covered up. Josh Smith running down the sideline. They used
to just they mess with me every day, Bro about something.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
My rookie year, I was the only rookie and I
had oh oh, I had Eric Dan Pierre, Joe Smith.
I had to Thomas. I has some old people on
my sin and they used to make me do all
type of stuff. Bro made me dress up as a
bumblebee on Halloween and give people food on the plane, like, hey,

(32:57):
take your ass to the front, get some food that
we're gonna popcorn your ship. And you know, I had
my first car, had that challenge don't pop. I was like,
y'all popp for my car flat and everything.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
But nah, that was cool.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Though, When did you realize, okay, cool at this point,
you know I need to be on the court. You
know you by that time, I'm pretty sure you're thinking
about and mofucker's getting extended.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Firs getting it's bread out here.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
When did you start taking the season know that you
know you you got the extension time coming up too.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
So my second year, Jordan Crawford, he ended up getting
drafted to the team and me and him was like,
that was my guy. Still my guy to this day.
We did everything together, but we wasn't playing, so we
was like we went the other way. We was like,
we don't play on the game. We ain't gonna be
the man on the court. Our thing was gonna be
the man in the streets. So we went out every

(33:46):
single day. Nah, ain't lying every single day.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
This so against everything I preached. We went out every
single day. Everybody ain't.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Everybody not just and then you ain't doing no practice
out it ain't.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
No time, no time.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Went out every single day right there with him.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Ship I don't know, I told you. So we went
out every single day.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
And when they pulled us in the office one day
and was like one of y'all gotta go, y'all gonna
ruin each other lives, one of y'all gotta go.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
And so we in the office. We were best friends.
We arguing with each other, like, shit, I'm better than him.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
He like, we don't want to leave Atlanta. We both
love Atlanta. He's like, I'm better than him. Shit, I'm
six five. I can do what you do.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Like we arguing, So we called the court. We basically
will play one on what is right.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
So they end up trading Jordan and Damian Wilkins came
to our team right and he kind of like, he
was like, man, you walk around it. He cuts me
out one day. I wasn't doing nothing. I'm just chilling.
I come to the meeting five minutes for the meeting.
We got practice. I show up when Joe show up,
I'm lit I'm out. Every night, he pulled me to
the side. He was like, nigga, you think you don't

(35:00):
you I'm like, yeah, they don't play me. He was like, dude,
niggas wouldn't play your ass where you act. He was like,
if you ain't here at nine o'clock every morning, train
with me, Bro, I'm gonna find you. Every time I
looked at the nigga he just got to the team,
I'm like, boy, nigg don't know me. All right, I
ain't come. He put a he put a pink slip

(35:20):
on my desk with one hundred dollars. I'm like, ripped
it up next day, another hundred dollars, ripped it up,
next day, another hundred dollars. So he went to the
GM rick Son and was like, yo, young Young boiled
me like five hundred dollars, just take it out his
check and they did it.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
So I'm what the fuck and go to him. He
was like, bro, you're gonna show up. I ain't gonna
let you die like you're gonna die, Like yo, your
career is gonna be out.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
So then I started showing up working out with him,
and he would tell me every day like yo, time
gonna come.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Bro, you gotta be ready. Something gonna happen. Your time
gonna come.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
You know, you're doing this shit everybody every day for months,
and then my time just happen to come. In the playoffs,
kerr Heiner pulled his handstring and I had to start
against de Rose. They was like, you're gonna play. We're
gonna start you too, Ship, I ain't played all year.
You gonna start against dede Row.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
I was like, damn.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
But I was ready though.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
I was ready to hook that. I had been training
for two three months. I was ready to hook. And
I went out there and I had a moment like
first game we win, I had like like twelve and five,
so that's sold.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
But I knew.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
I was like, I ain't even play for real. That's
how I was in my heir. I was like I
was being conservative. I was like game two, I'm shooting this.
I was like they double team and Joe and Jamal
Keith Bogus guarding me. But now I just started doing
my thing and then it just kind of took off
from there.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, that's how it was me that playoff, that's that
coming out point.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
In fact, I tell young guys you always got to
stay ready because you never know when your time get caught.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
I wish I could day my rookie year over like
so I could like take it more serious.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I mean it was fun, but I wasn't get no
take anywhere. Yeah, I ain't getting no practicing.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Nah, we ain't practicing. I couldn't even. It wasn't nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I really could do my rookie year because we ain't practiced.
But I mean the guys was great though.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Atl Boy take a lot bore to stay focused down there.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Turning twenty in Atlanta was crazy. So we're gonna fath
for a little bit. How did it feel getting your
your extension? You? You know what I'm saying? My extension
was whack. I mean, you can't say where we come
from now. I would like to get the money, but
the way, the way Atlanta made me do it, what's what?

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Like, I had a good year. I was averaging like
fifteen something like fifteen and seven. I'm like, I'm having
a good year. They like, yeah, you gotta go find
the money. We ain't extending you. You gotta go get it.
You restricted free agent?

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Who the hell was the GM at that time?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
What's my man, Danny Fair.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Danny.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
He was like he I never forget telling me I
don't like one year I was. I had a great
ass game. I had like thirty one on the Magic.
I ain't play no defense. That wasn't my thing, this
wasn't my column, that wasn't me. So I came in
the game we won. You know, I sagged my pants
and shit, walking around like put your pants up now,
looked at him.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Like the fuck, like, man, get the fuck out, like
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
So I don't want to see all that shit when
all you walking around he's sagging, he walking around here,
and I'm like, what the fuck wrong with him? So
I just kind of ignoring him, got in the shirk,
got on and shit. So the next day of practice,
he just come in the film room, he the gym.
He just snap on me and everybody.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, like you don't play any fucking defense, you don't
do all this shit. I'm like, damn. So then I
knew like I was in a battle, like he didn't
like me. He kept saying like you're not my guy.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
I was like cool, So I knew when the extension came,
I w wasn't getting that shit. So I was like, damn,
I gotta go find it. And I found it with
Milwaukee and I signed it. So I had to call him.
Best call in my life. I called him.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
I was like, they told me I had to call
him and tell him don't match it. And I called him.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
I was like, I hate everything about you. I hate
how you walk, he how you talking this and stuff
he said to me. I was like, I do not
want to play for you. I don't want to be
a part of your team. I please don't sign this,
like I don't fuck with you. And he was like okay, cool,
hung up the phone. I signed the extension. We all clapping. Milwaukee.
The next morning they take me to go find a house.
He called me and was like, ha ha ha ha ha.

(39:32):
That's how the NBA works. Way to do business. Good job,
see you in Atlanta next week. I was like what
He was like, you were.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Matching it by and just hung up.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Put out after you to check the draws and said
everything I want, say everything you feel.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
I'm like, I hate you, like I don't never like
I don't respect about you. He said, I wait to
do business.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
By hung up.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I came back to Atlanta. He had some big allegations
on his name. Some email or something came out with
this what was this before? And so he did that
to me and then we had those good years.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
And then he did that to lu Al Dean like
he had said it, and that all came out and
it was just like, damn, that's how you really feel, like, Damn,
that's that's him like. But I seen him later in
my career and he came up to me. Man, he
just was like, man, I'm so sorry for how I
treated you.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
He was like, you just had a different way of
doing business. I came from San Antonio. You was more relaxed.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
You know.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
I joke all day.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
So they all serious walking around and nobody on Eggsheal
and ship. I come in there, like, fuck wrong with y'all?
Throw a basketball at somebody.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Like nigga Nigga backed like y'all can't talk and he
ain't like that ship and he was just like, you
just had a different way of doing business and I
ain't I ain't understanding.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I just want to apologize.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
And I was like, okay, okay, But then at that time,
shit you had saying, so now it's about showing and
proof this is really my team.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
How did How was your approach to the organization after that?

Speaker 5 (41:05):
I ain't care because I loved Atlanta, so if fans
loved me, fans rock with me. I didn't really care
about what the upper management thought.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
At that point.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
I was just like, shit, I'm here, I'm trying to
make the most of it, and I was I want
to make the All Star team.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
So I just started hooping and we got a group together.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
That was good.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
We all just rocked with each other. It was all
just like a perfect fit.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
We end up getting Kyle, we end up getting Paul
Millsap Smooth left, and Smooth was my guy.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
But Detroit, Yeah, Paul came. It was just a different
kind of like attitude, like he.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Was more serious.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
He was just like more of a team guy. Smooth
was like, I'm trying to get paid, and I felt
that because he had said to me like he's trying
to He just trying to get paid for all that
get paid.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
And then Paul came.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Paul came with like let's win, Like we win, we
all get paid. It wasn't like that I was hearing
get paid when it. Let's get paid, like get paid.
And Paul was like, if we win, we get paid,
and I was like, damn, and we just started winning.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
So what that's so what twenty fifteen was your first
All Star selection, my only All Star.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Shit, that sh it ain't easy, man, you made that's
a comment. That was a huge accomplishment.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Man.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
I was so hyped to make that team. But I
wish I didn't make it. I'm saying that because I
got I got comfortable, like I was on a hunt.
Once I got the money, I wanted to be All Star.
I was on the hunt like I was at everybody,
like we was winning when I made the All Star team.
At that time, I was averaging like twenty.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
I was on the hunt. After that, I was good.
I was like, I made the All Star team.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
I started asking, I started saying, what's smooth, saying it's
time to get paid, Like I felt I was underpassion
paid the contract. So I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like, nah,
it's not for me to get paid. So I wasn't
even thinking about that. And like one of my homeboys
be here always say, boy, they told your ass average
sixteen or eight. Boy, you went and got sixteen to eight.
You trying to get a point over you for real,

(43:11):
They told me, hey, you get twenty million years, you
have sixteen eight, sixteen and eight. It wasn't nothing else, man,
it was crazy. What was the what was the All
Star Game at the year New York?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
It was?

Speaker 4 (43:24):
It was crazy. It was cold as hell, but it
was fun as hell. Yeah, it's like all start now.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I don't got no understanding the All starscept rookie All
Star selection that I made in two thousand and five.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
That was cool.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
But to get to the big boy dance, talk to
me about that.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Man, when you get your name called, you know, watching
TNT and your name get called, it was like it's.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Like getting drafted again.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Like, damn, bro, Like at this moment right now in
the lead, I'm won the top twenty four guys or whatever.
It is just like, damn, I'm who. I'm having a
hell of a year. I mean it might not be
the same next year, but just at this moment, I'm
one of the guys. And the walk in that locker
room with bron and all these great dudes that I
looked up to, I was just like kind of awe.

(44:08):
And then for my family, to come and be a
part of that and get to meet all these dudes
they've seen growing up and wanted to meet.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
It was cool and I remember I remember that year
because it was like, bro, why you see you? I
ain't never used to see you smile?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Nah? Like like what was it like?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Man?

Speaker 4 (44:27):
It was a cold killer.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Look I ain't smelling my high school year book. I
took that the heart when Wayne said that, so like
when you hoop, I used to be like I used
to talk a lot of shit when I was younger,
And Coach Connley was like, you too emotional when you hoop,
Like if I dunked on somebody, I yelled at him
all that shit. And if you watch Little Mike hoop,
he kind of liked that too.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
You don't smell.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
You just kind of do his ship and he was like, man,
you need to like act like you've done it before.
He was like, if you make a good play, you
make a bad play, just act like you've done it before.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Like too emotional. And I just took it to heart.
I ain't say a word.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
I just hooped. So what twenty four twenty four, twenty
fifteen got finished first than to each.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Yeah, yeah, we are the best team in the league.
US and Golden State going back and forth for the
most wins in the league that year. We just had
a great year. We were just jailing. Y'all made the
All Star team. He was were just hooping.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Come out, Hold on Pete. They got four motherfuckers that year. Yeah,
look Washington, they got Corver, wore Round, Meal, Sap, and Killer.
Yeah but I should have made it. Corver, that's just
smooth and he was hot. I know we were hot.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Now he went on our team that year, he won,
he was gone. He got traded for Paul Mills.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Oh so he was so Meal Sap came and changed
the narrative on how y'all even played.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
On every Everything changed like coach Bud got there. Okay,
we switched every you know, we was an io team.
Everything was ice though they switched that. We came moving
the ball like the audio and to being like the
best thing for us. But yeah, we all made the
All Star team. We all had fun with it.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
That was a cool year though. We was beating teams
by thirty at the end of the year. Messed up
my stats. Really, I was averaging like nineteen. We were subbing.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
We just doing like five and five out like the
last twenty games of the season.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I'm like, yeah, they popped up o cap.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
I knew we had beat the Calves that year about
like on the average, like twenty five twenty six. Every
time we played, and we was blowing brown and them
out and all Star. He was like, hey, I figured
y'all out. I was like what he was like, I
never talked to bron I figured y'all out. I know
what y'all gonna do. I figured y'all out. So when

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we got the playoffs, we were super confident and he
figured us out. All he did was put me in
a pick and roll, pick and roll, pick and roll.
I'm hedging, hedging. Eventually, you're gonna have to switch. I switched.
He'll bag me down to the free throw line. They'll
send a double.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
J R.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Smith hit eight three is the first game or something
like that. Then Kevin Love, we like, help off Kevin Love.
He hit seven three. You're like, man, it's over with
And he figured me out. It was over when you
go out to Atlanta. I went back home and went
to Indiana. I was that going back was the best
year of my life. Want to play in front of
the street.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Let me ask you for tickets is crazy every home game, No,
I see my markets.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
The thing about being home for me, the one thing
I love about Indianapolis for me, they like protect me,
like the city always protect me, like nobody like I
show much so much love to the city, Like I
really love Indianapols. That's risk my shit and they'll protect me.
But like, people never ask me for nothing when I'm
at home. I don't know why they don't. Never asking

(47:57):
for tickets, Like my sisters and them, obviously I get
them my friends and ship.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Nah, they bought their tickets. Folks shout out to and
I had the whole married in that moment.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
I mean different when you.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Ear I'll be in there.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
It's different when you play one or twice, one or
two times a year. There when I was playing every day,
people got real. They got jobs and ship like they
want coming to them games like that. They ain't really care.
But it was cool to like after the games, I
can go to the same spots I went to growing up,
and it was cool.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
That was my favorite year of playing basketball.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
That's your favorite year going back home?

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Man, he was over there with who was over there with? PG,
yep c J Male, Yeah, Bert Nah here with you know.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
I came with Stag Young Monte, George Damn Big. Al
Al Jefferson was on the game.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You gotta chair play with my boy Big.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
He was about big.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I loved.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
One of the Yeah, one of the coolest teammates ever.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Bro I was.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Yeah, I ain't talk so at that time, I only
talk to people I knew, really, and I ain't know
none of them. So like me and PG PG the backcourt,
and we never talked, so like everybody used to be
mad at me, like, man, you gotta talk to him,
like I gotta talk. And Al Jefferson was the only
one of him and Aaron Brooks. They got me to
start talking to him, but I never would talk to PG.
We just be on the court like we'd be on

(49:29):
the plane ride. I ain't speak to him for like
six months. That's why we wasn't as good as we
should have been, because I just wasn't comfortable. I was
a new dude to the team, and I got traded
for George Hill, which everybody loved.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
You. Yeah, that was my guy too, and I'm like
he's from the yawn.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Yeah, So everybody was kind of like, not upset, but
it was just a weird feeling and him and George
Hill was PG and George Hill was best friend.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
So it was just I just eyeball a lot at
that time. So that makes sense, man, it makes sense.
But you enjoyed your time.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
I didn't want to leave, but the money came calling.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I had to go.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Three year fifty seven. Yeah, three year fifty seven. That's there. Now,
come on with them here now man?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah? So now now now I want to know, now
does the professionalism pick up?

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Now?

Speaker 4 (50:22):
These are this organization want more out of me? Now
I gotta come and show and prove.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Now how did it come me? I had?

Speaker 5 (50:28):
I was locked in in Indiana. I ain't missed the game.
I played all eighty two. I was like, I was there,
like I wanted to be there. I was invested, I was.
I loved it there. So I was like locked in.
I wanted to make the playoffs. And you know, it's
different when you're playing in front of your friends and
family every day. Everybody, Oh they're gonna critique you, like bro,
you was asked today.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
So I liked that.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
So I kind of made me locked in. But then
when I went to Minnesota, you know, Jimmy jamal Ta
cat Wig, I was locked in that first year. We
wanted to make the Playoffsy ain't make it than fourteen years,
so we like, we gotta make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I'm like, man, tib told me.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
All you gotta do is get these cast the ball
and get thirteen fourteen points a game.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
It's all I need from me. We got enough scoring.
So I just did my job. I was locked in.
I ain't trying to miss no games, and I just
did my job. And then shit got crazy. It got
real crazy. It got crazy after that personality started fleing
in their locker. That first year was cool.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
That second year, yeah, it was over with damn and
being a ran in that And obviously he the hottest
topic of the league right now and the big shout
out of Jimmy Butley doing extremely well for the war.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
But the way he was wired. Was it more so.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
His work ethic that let him know that what he
know about the game is far more than what the
organization know, or was it just I'm just a prima
donna guy, because a lot of people look at it.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
Like he he's just doing too much Now Jimmy ain't
a prima donna. Oh that's what's crazy. Jimmy like a
blue collar worker, but he just want his bread like
he ain't had no problem with He had a little
problem with Kat the way Cat played, but it was
it really came from like money. They extended Kat before
they extended Jimmy, and obviously Kat was on a rookie deal.

(52:18):
The extension was up. Jimmy had like two years on
this deal. But Jimmy like, I just changed his franchise,
like before he got hurt. It was three in the West, right,
I just changed his franchise, like pay me. I'm on
a max deal right now. And man, that shit was crazy.
Like I'm man, I was sold this when I started
joking and being cool with everybody, I'm calling Jimmy and

(52:39):
Tibbs like I'm the fucking mediator. Hey, he like Jimmy
coming to practice today. I called Jimmy, Jimmy, you come
to practice day. Tell that motherfucker to pay me. Tim
He said, pay him. He's like Jeff, somebody can't pay
him right now. I'm like, well, Jimmy, they said, hey,
gonna pay you in the summer. Because I don't want
the summer.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I want to now.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
TIBs like tell him I swear to God, and I'm like,
what the fuck, give me an extra team or something.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
God, damn Togott. Yeah, I'm like, man ship.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
And so we end up having a team meeting and
uh he you know, he expressed his feelings to everybody
in the team meeting, and after the meeting he was
like this get out, I'm gonna ask for a trade.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I'm like, nigga, I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Nigga. Okay, that's for trading.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
He woke up.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
He literally did whatever he did. The tweet came out.
He asked for a trade. But before all that, we
have a practice.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
He come in. TIBs is hype you you play for Tis.
You know his handshake.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Jimmy end up walking into practice tips hand doing this,
so you know, I joke all that's all. Look at
Tis ever fucking wagons like a dog, shaking like a
Jamaican over there like that, Jimmy just walked in practice.
He starts stretching, so he thinks Jimmy about to play.
Jimmy stretching, I'm thinking. Hears to him, like, damn Jimmy. Okay, fuck,

(54:04):
somebody must have told him. Jimmy just started doing other
workouts on we got two courts and so on the
other court, doing his own drills, working out. We're doing
all this close out shit, you know, to stick stick, stick, hand,
all this shit.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
And then Tim was like, we're gonna scrimmage.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Fucker. Jimmy hopped up.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
I'm playing tears. I'm like, like Jimmy, Jeff said the starter.
Jimmy was like, fuck that, I don't start no more.
I'm playing with He picked his own team. It was
all the G League dudes.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
On three four five.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
He was we're playing for we're playing first starters. He
was like, and I got cat.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I'm like, damn.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
So I'm laughing. Me and d Rose crying, laughing like
this is crazy. So me, I'm an ass. So I'm like,
I throw the bough a cat.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Kill that motherfucker cat.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
He's steal the ball, go down, they lay it up.
Don't do that again. I throw it in the cat
against kill that motherfucker cat. Cat scored like a big elbow.
We all run down the court.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Man.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
We ain't scored another point. They beat us like sad
twelve two. But that's the Jimmy Butler effect anywhere. If
you see how he playing out when they gets to
the playoffs heat that type of game, he gets it done.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
So when you saying this, it's just his DNA.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah, he was just like that.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
So they beat us.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
They ended up beating the second team, and we now
we hyped the starters like, man, fuck that play again.
I'm playing for real and I ain't throwing the cat
now we all Matt Jimmy run out like, uh, y'all
ever seen the Temptations. Remember when David Ruffin came out there, whatever,
he took the mic after you performing, just ran in
the back. Jimmy just took off. So weeks tis like scrimmage,

(55:42):
everybody running after Jimmy. He on the elevator, gone, next
thing you know, he on TV with Rachel Nicks.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
I was like this nigga called. I was like, he's
the best ever do it. I ain't ever seen this.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
I was like, we end the practice facility, were sitting
there and showered up, people putting ice on. Jimmy Butler
exclusive interview with Rachel Nichols. What the fuck we just
practice with it? And he on her talking I said,
he called, I said, you the best of ever doing
ad texting Jimbo unbelievable, my boy, get the money man.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
That was whatever. Damn.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
But during that stint, during that stint, you know, obviously
it was cold as hell down there, for sure, cold
the mufflers. But you also just brought up a name,
ded Row. I believe you know, hall of fame in
my eye for young MVP. You understand, big respect.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
For that guy.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, talk to us about the story he brought up
about the fifty point game. First of all, why why
didn't you play?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
And what was that? Like?

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Here d Road tell me I'm about to go get fifty.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
So I had like a little injury in my foot,
but I just I ain't gonna lie. I was just
like I ain't playing, and he was like we were
sad as hell. I'm like, I ain't playing.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
He pulled one of them Today's more.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
I was like, my fuck kind of hurt my toe now, man, Yeah,
I'm like, man, I fuck kind of hurt. He like
you're playing and he was just like you're playing. He
kept act like you're playing. I'm like, I don't know, man.
He was like, let me know, though, I was like,
now I ain't gonna play. He was I'm going for it.
I'm like going for what. He was like fifty, Like damn,
all right, now we're playing the Jazz. It was a

(57:21):
good defensive team. So I'm like, okay, you know me,
I talked, I'm playing around all day. I go to
other dudes like who's taking fifty tonight? They was like okay,
everybody laughing. He started the game off. I don't do nothing.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
I just go out there.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
I'm I'm gonna see him, see how you gonna come out.
He came out super aggressive, yet, like twelve in the
first quart I'm like, I sit back.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
I'm like this, nigga, you might need to play the odd.
I mean to play over on this Moluger.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
When he started playing, you could just tell the energy
was different. So when he started killing, I'm like his
biggest fan. I'm cheerleaguing, I'm jumping up and down. And
then like he started getting emotional. When he got like
around forty six, he started like crying on the court
and ship I'm like, was he Yeah, he was super emotional,
so folks was crying on the yeah, So he come

(58:08):
to the huddle. He had like forty eight, and he
like tearing up, the crowd going crazy. He like tearing up,
and I'm like, nigga gets fifty, Like you know, the
nigga like, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
You're gonna do that ship and the whole team, like,
the whole team just started like they wanted to everybody.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Watermody, forget about the game.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
We're like, what the game? What the game?

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Coach Ryan Saunders crying, everybody crying, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (58:39):
And then after the game, it was just a mess.
After that, everybody was crying. He got that fifty and
he said yeah when he said what he said on
the mic, No, it was everybody arena was crying. He's like, man,
I worked so hard. Man, they gave up on you know,
did the whole and it was just like yeah, and
so me thinking, I'm like, man, I'm gonna capture the moment.

(59:00):
I'm like, everybody get water bottles and you know pull
he got the dreads. I'm like, he's gonna be shitty,
but fuck, he just hoop. I'm like, everybody get the
water bouse hit him. I just took my phone and
I recorded the moment. I remember at that moment, Yeah,
I remember his wife asked me like I had and
I posted and she was like, please send me that
and I'll never forget how like she was crying when

(59:20):
she I sent it to her.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
I'm like, damn. And then I went upstairs. Me being
me knocked on this door. When he left the floor
above me, I had a I had a pint. He
had the pent penthouse. So I go up there.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
I'm like, ship, I got three bedrooms, he got five.
So I came upstairs. He got the super max paininghouse.
And I go up there and I just bring some
douce and I'm like, man, take a shot with me.
And all his brothers was there. They emotional and they
like he told us he was getting fifty to night.
That's we I can't believe this, nigga Diaddy. I'm like

(59:55):
he told y'all too, And it.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Was a crazy day. He was wired at that. Rose Man.
He one of the coolest dudes I ever met. Bro
one of the coolest teammates.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
I used to tell I like to tell the story
about him because I know I'm wont to take up
all your time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
But no, we got plenty uh d.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
Rose used to always the fans he was like had
a co falling every game they were chance d Rose
put de Rosen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
I'm the starting point guard, so you know they call
your name.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Jeff t put de Rosen. I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I was like, hold on, man, I went the tims.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
I'm like, man, y'all need to start d Rose man,
at least start him next to me so I can't
take this ship. He like, man, I don't want to, Jeff,
it's nigga, you earned that ship. I'm like, what fuck
I heard it? No more want to see you. Yeah,
He's like nah bro. I was like, man, he just
showed me love like most people, you know, but like ship, Yeah,

(01:00:53):
deserved the start. Like I'm killing he averaging eighteen off
the bench, I'm averaging twelve. And he's like, nah bro,
yeah that sure you earned that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Don't let them fuck with you. Like he just kept
it playing with me, And I was like, damn so
always helping him for that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Going to Boston with all that rich history. Yeah, coming in,
it's barely even enough numbers for you even put on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I wore fifty five. Fifty five, that's the only number
talk to me about just that atmosphere and what it
felt like coming in there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
So it was the COVID years.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
So I ain't get that real Boston Like, you know,
I played them in the playoffs a bunch of times,
and I knew what the gym felt like, and that's
why I wanted to go there. But it was COVID
and we ain't get that same feeling, Like we ain't
nobody in the crowd, nobody in the city. Like when
I used to walk around and we played Boston, they'd
be like, fuck you team, you know what I mean. Yeah,

(01:01:51):
But I was like, damn, they ride for their team.
I wanted that be a part of it, but it
was COVID. We ain't get that same feeling. But man,
playing with Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and Marcutsmarten, now
that was I ain't. My funnest basketball year is the Pacers,
But like my funnest team was Boston. Man, them dudes,
they were unbelievable. They were so fun Kimber, they were

(01:02:12):
just like real, genuine dudes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
And it was COVID. All we had was each other
to talk to. Man, we had some times, Man, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Are you surprised about they they success that they haven't
now even winning the championship now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
Like, nah, you saw it earlier work. I knew they
was great. They were so competitive, Like Jason Tatum and
Jaylen Brown. They so competitive against each other, like they
played one on one Peyton Pritcher too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
All day. I played Jason Tatum one on one every
single day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Oh yeah, every day.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
I'm about to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Lead the gym.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Where you going, nig they old head, where you going?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I know you ain't leaving? Are you leaving today?

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I come back and playing me and Evan Turner. Then
you see Jaylen Brown over there doing They were just
so competitive. I knew eventually it was gonna break. They
was going ship. It's too competitive.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, boys beast over there in Boston for sure. So
what you after that? It was?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
It was a short stint and I got traded at
the deadline. I'm making fun of people, like some of
y'allucker's gonna be about of here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Brea, get the pack of y'all clothes up. I was
about it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
I'm like, yeah, you might be going today. I'm joking
everybody like, oh I heard your name in the trade rooms. Yeah,
I'm like, you might be going today, Brad Stevens called me.
Everybody like my phone on the table. Brad Stevens called Kim,
but like Brad calling you, Jeff, I said, so I
picked it up here like tea. We just traded you

(01:03:37):
to Orlando. Orlando called me like, hey, you can come here.
You never gonna play. We're trying to be as bad
as ever. Like we're gonna play all these young guys.
You never never gonna play. He was like, I can
wave you, we can play. We can pay you twice
you get waved, we still have to pay you, but
you can go to a different team and try to win.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
And I was like, I appreciate that. So that's when
I went to my what that Milwaukee's like nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Oh my goodness, coded Milwaukee, bro, you was playing with
one of the best motherfuckers in the game right now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Yeah, yeah, I was talking about the city. It's a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Close to the crib. Yeah, it's close to the crib.
But I thought it was nothing to do in Indianapolis.
There's nothing to do with Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
It just wasn't nothing to do. Like you just go home.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
Played on the game, go home, That's all I did.
Play the game I'm like, where you'll going tonight? Anybody
going to eat?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Nope.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I'm like, damn anywhere to go?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Nope.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
I'm like damn, it ain't nothing to do. They're like, no,
we don't do nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Bro, we just wo. That's what it was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Man. That team was great though, Jo honest is unbelievable.
Talk to us about like his work ethic, like because
he seemed like he knew with.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
Shock you got that Kobe work ethic that I want
to be great. Like, he just want to be great, bro.
He said, he can't shoot free throws. He in there
shooting a thousand free throws. He can't shoot a jump
for he shooting a thousand threes. He want to be great.
That's why everything that comes with him, everything he doing,
I know, I've seen it first and he do that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
He want to be great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Dog though, for sure you played on the coach Budden Hausard,
Well y'all did y'all have a relationship.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
With Yeah, coach, but my guy have being the coach
in Atlanta. That's why I.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Said come back. That's why I went there because the coach. Uh,
he's super cool dude. Man, He like a super family
type of guy. Uh, it was cool to win a
championship with him, you know, having that good team in
Atlanta and we couldn't get it done.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
But then going to Milwaukee and we winning.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
That was cool. Now the after party that wasn't about nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Listen to this list because you know, hey, what I want.
We champagned it up. We turned up man. We want
to hung out after man. Hey, man, it's a moment
and I wanted I would tell us about it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
So after the game was obviously you do the champagne
stuff in the locker room. I'm walking around with a
big bottle tequila. It's I'm thinking the night. My wife there,
she like, yeah, bye, like you on your own night, Yo,
do everything your dream of when you win the championship.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
So I'm like, yeah, it's up where we at be
a PJ. Tucker. They're like, yeah, it's a party right
there at that club. Were going to party. I swear
to you, it's about this many people in there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
I'm like, I'm looking around like yo, I'm like yo,
I ain't trying to seem like the wild dude. I'm like, yo,
what a girl like nothing here? Like I ain't got nobody.
I'm like, I'm about to call my wife, like and
nobody turning up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
They're like nah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Then the coaches came in there. I'm like the coaches and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
They kids, I'm like the kids, hold on, man, y'all
got the coaches kids same.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Then Brook Lopez came in with his jersey on. Bobby
Porters came and we all just looking at you. I'm like, man,
we gotta go to Vegas. And everybody was like, no,
I ain't going. You wanna say he wasn't going. Chris
Middleton had to go to USA, and Drew Holliday had
to go to the USA.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
So it was over.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
That was it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
I drove the got in my truck, my wife left.
I drove to Indianapolis that night and went played two
K boards. Championship night there, man, what and that's the
only But the parade was fired on. The parade was unbelievable.
That night was the parade was that was dope. But
that night the championship, Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
You champion. They can't take it from me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
You for sure a champ. I got you ain't just Jeff,
you don't want to acknowledge it. I mean I'll tell
you I got it. I got in the game as
long as I played hell ship, I played spot man
and man, I'm taking my night. Yeah, I put my
ring yet my peak. Yeah that's so when they proposed

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a toast, they can see it. Yes, yeah, man, I
got my stage in my middle figure. Come on, that's
what I was on everything. I'm champing. All right, Well, look, bro,
at this point, you know, obviously, you know, we all
get to this point in our career. You know, we
could pretty much see how what the future is gonna be.

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What was your plans from there? Like?

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
After that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
So I ended up getting hurt in Milwaukee. I had like, so,
I'm basically bone on bone on my knee right till today.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Yeah, I knew it was over.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
It.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
They basically told me, like, you gotta have microfracture if
you want to try to hoop or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
I'm like, I'm not doing that. So I knew it
was over.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
So I went into scouting immediately. I went to go
work for the Hawks start scouting, and it wasn't it
was just on. Wasn't my passion, Like, man, I don't
really want to go to these college games and all that.
And then my guys had already did a podcast uh,
that's the opinion podcast. They had that going already, and
one of the hosts on the show with five twenty
named DJ. I asked him like, YO, mean we should

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do a sneaker podcast. I'm in the shoes, so I
got a bunch of shoes and he was like, yeah,
we can do that and be hearing the other guy
on the show. He been my guy, my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, yeah, we been my guy.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
He always talked shit to me since we met, and
probably we met before that, but we got cool in
probably twenty twelve, and ever since then he talks. First
time I ever met him, he talked shit to me
like my nigga, Shlven mac Dimmer better than you, Shelvin Man.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Be shut up to Shelvin Man. He's with me. It
is grizzies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah, And I was like, nigga got me fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
We're going back and forth. And ever since that day
we've been locked in.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
But he always been like that, and they already had
a good show going and I was like, man, shit, fuck,
let's just join that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
And the reason is called five twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
I had a club in my basement and we used
to have all these crazy parties when I first retired,
and uh, we were just there vibing one night and
we was talking about the podcast. He's like, man, let's
just call it Club five twenty and we was gonna
shoot it in the club and we wanted we didn't
want to be a basketball podcast. We wanted to be
like if y'all nobody gonna ever hear what we first

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to talk about, y'all think we crazy?

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Man the first man, our first episode was about R
Kelly Man. That's how I know, y'all. But that's what
I love about y'all. Ship.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Don't nobody get a pass. We will your who you
we it's going down. It's funny. It's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
And y'all got knowledge of the game. They probably didn't
play or whatever, and but guess what they got insight.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
They know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
From Indiana, we hop into basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Keep y'all right, man, stop that, but your podcast, that
ship dope man shot the five twenty man Ship.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
Appreciate that we had. We can't we can't wait to
have z bo on and doing the dance she did.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
But we we started that pop man, We've been having fun.
We uh, we just try to keep it real. We
don't really try to hurt nobody feelings. Like we laugh
and stuff. We think it's all jokes and fun, but
we really fans of everybody, Like everybody you name, we
all been super fans.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
When we meet people, it's like kids, bro, we'd be hyped.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
Like this weekend, we met a couple of people that
we wanted to do the PIP with, and we hype
like when we met ta be here, like that's my nick.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
That's my nick.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
I'm like, nigga, you don't know him.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
And then when I see him interact, I'm like, shit,
you might know the nigga, Like all right, well that's
the kind of vibe we just want, man, we just
want people to come on the.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Show and have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Man. Nah, that ship definitely hard for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Tuning in every time back and high school.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
It just was fun. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
It was something that me and my partners was talking
about doing. A couple of my friends coach high school
basketball and pipe. We was joking about it one day
and was just like, man, it'd be crazy if you
got the pike job. And then literally the next year
it became available and they was like, man, get it,
get the job man, We're gonna turn it up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
So he did it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
It's been fun though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Yeah, yeah, college.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
I mean I would, but I ain't really thought about it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
I just want to try to get Pikes to where
were competing for his state championship. If I get it there,
then maybe, But right now I'm just trying to help
the young guys, telling them out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
The foundation's part of a TT hitting back to the
lead out. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Being in Indianapolis, a small city, small town, everybody know
each other. And I was approached by a couple of
people from AT and T see if I want to
partner with them trying to help back get computers to
a couple of kids at the IPS system, and I was.
I was all for it and it ended up working
out good time. Want to continue to keep that relationship going.

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I think it did a lot for that school system.
Not a lot of overly privileged people in that system.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
So we be able to help like that in any
kind of way. It was cool.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Toughest SCC point guard.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Match, toughest acc man. You know what's crazy? Tyres Rice
was tough. And this dude named Jack McClinton, right, uh,
he went to Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
He was a bucket. He's still closed. Now y'all probably
know Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
He's be in Miami. I don't know, but he still
clothes cool dude. But he gave us like thirty five
one Tom. He was probably my toughest matchup Starship when
we first got in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
First got in the league.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Uh Iverson right, it was only Iverson because he was
playing in Memphis right my first year, and uh, he
was on the bench and he was like, you know,
I'm looking at him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Like like I know, Mike. I'm like, man, that's Augushon
over there.

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
And he like talking Ship though, like what the fuck
we're doing? Man, what we're doing? And shit, look crazy
what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
I'm like, damn, he mad.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
I'm just looking at it, like yeah it was mad. Yeah, yeah,
he was just talking. I'm just looking at it. So
it wasn't like he was trying to meet me and Ship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
He was mad, so I was, but I still was
just kind of and all.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
Then he got back to Philly and I went and
shook his hand and he was just like me, I
know who you are, nigga, what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
He he treated everybody like they brother. So I was
hype about that and him living in Atlanta at that time.
I ended up getting cooled.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Who got on your ass? Who was the first bust
of ass? Like for real? Like, uh.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Killed me?

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
D Rose killed me my first time starting the playoffs.
He killed me on Mother's Day. That's why I'll never
forget it. He had his career high. That's why that
fifty minute a lot to me because I was like,
he finally got off that career high that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Was on me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Yeah, he had forty something on me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
We was going back and forth. In the first quarter.
I had like ten, he had like fourteen. Second quarter
I had like fourteen, he had like twenty five. Third
quarter I ain't scored. He kept going and then Ship
got spooky after well, like shit, let me get up
out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
That's crazy. What's your thoughts on the NBA today? Are
you rolling with all these threes and threes and three?
I mean I don't care, yeah, Ship, I just like
to get all the money. Yeah, Like that's a fast show.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
Like I'm glad that all of the young men, all
these guys get to get paid and take care of
their family.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
I mean the brand of basketball probably my favorite. But Ship,
who am I to judge.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
I ain't like the old timer basketball when they threw
it in the post one hundred times. I ain't like
that ship is so like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
The tur.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
I hated that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
I literally hated man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
I used to have to run that ship for Joe
so fucking much and run to the corner and watch
him dribble and go to work.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
I hated that ship. So I can't complain ship. I'll
really shoot a bunch of threes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
And do that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
So it's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
It's your top three bastball podcast?

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
Uh, top three out the mug you did? And I
ain't saying that. I ain't everybody here, No, I ain't
saying that just because of y'all. I really watch that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
I watch Gil Gills Arenas. Yeah yeah, I watched Gill
and them, and then after that I watched the Yo.
I watched pretty much everybody. Ain't too many people don't
watch man. We watched you d ship.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
I watched that seven PM. I watched them and everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
It ain't it ain't too many if they go by
my screen, I probably watch I watched, ain't I watched
me dollars worth of game all time.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
I watch Joe budd, I watched.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
You're a fan of this podcast and not only just
being involved, but you're watching everybody ship and I try.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
I try to see what people do well, like damn,
also to make our show a little different, like all right,
they that's stayling, they doing that. Let me see what
we can do to be a little different, so we
do get the same guest different our own identity.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I love it, appreciate it because I don't never know
when y'all serious. I don't never know where y'all serious.
If they did beginning to come with something in this
nigga right here, dja, Oh my god, is he instigating?

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Yeah, what is he doing?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Then come back to you you sometime politically correct and
be here, but get off the motherfucking migos and go
crank shout out found twenty Bro. We appreciate that, love Bro.
All right, man, that's another episode of Out the mud Man.
We didn't have one of Indianapoli's finests man come through
the building, bless the platform, and that's another episode much love,

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