Shannon Brown | Finals runs with LeBron, Championships with Kobe and Lakers and a lot more

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo, what's good your boy?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
T a a k mi'ster first team, and today we
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Shannon brown You really sposed to have one. But before
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Whoa, I get it out the mud nerd put me.
Let's gonna feel me first sheet me bag, gonna do
you worse babos, Gonna get you hurt. That's been fixing
all my verse. She might pull up in either church.
I go up and down, feel like that hurt? Better?
I go out like a thud Better.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'll put something in a dirt dirt I came up
from the mud and then it's a down non shirt shirt,
break them ben, make go work straight time my hand
from out up person. I gonna ron the mud. They
finally found that diamond in the dirt ice.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Hey, can I gotta make it get this out the
mud Man.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, welcome to another episode of Out the mud Man.
Today were getting blessed with two time NBA champion mister
Illinois Basketball, Shannon Brown Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Family.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Welcome to a little bit what the world is there?
Look like Spartan off for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
And we're gonna have a conversation later on too, all right,
because I really feel like I hold the crown over
the city if I walk back to the city with unfortunately,
Like so, I got to give my flowers to you, man,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
And just man, you being you know, always a young
and growing up, I always heard your name through you know,
through my guys. You know, they always tell me Shannon
Brown like that, Will Luther and them they be like, man, no,
dude like that, you know what, and you come and
took a lot from them though. Yeah, I was saying,
you're coming from that town, man, you know what I'm saying,
And just tell us about you know, the basketball tradition, man,

(01:50):
and what you looked up to growing up with some
of your top players looking up to and just things
like that on the West side, man, Jeff for the
second name dropping all but I gotta start off with
like d Brown. You know, I went to Proviso East,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
So you got Mike Finley, you got Doc Rivers, you
got Charrell for you got you know what I'm saying,
just to yeah, you know what I mean, Donnie Boyce,
like like they was winning, you know what I mean.
So it's like it's tradition, and when it come to
me and basketball, I ain't really had that skill, you
know what I'm saying, as far as like to to
be able to dribble and think at the same time.

(02:25):
Make it like we running players out there. People see basketball,
they think just running running around like running. No, we
out there actually running you know what I'm saying, or
offense defense like So it took me a while, but
I mean, like I just tried my mentality, and I
hate to say it this way, my mentality was killed.
Like whoever was in front of me, whoever I I don't.

(02:46):
I ain't looking at no rankings on or who nobody
is like you know what I'm saying, but that that
was just.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
How I, how I how I grew or how I
was thinking the game, how I was playing, how I
was practicing the game, you know what I'm saying, how
I was going out there and approaching the game. But
I mean, it's it's definitely like when you when you
grow up where we grew up. Even you know what
I'm saying, you don't got no choice. And that's another
part of the after Mud segment. I don't want to
talk about you know, you being from you know obviously

(03:15):
Maywood and you know how Trench Maywood is. Uh, you
saw the development and how that you know that part
of the town was gonna go and for you to
be able to stay focused in basketball. Can you talk
about some of the people who helped you stay focused
and not get on that path of what you've seen
growing up?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Man?

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Oh man, I you're right exactly like what I've seen, drugs, viers, guns,
games like what I don't I don't always like to
speak about that part and then people get it, you
know what I'm saying. But at the same time I
had to learn you can't run from it either though,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I grew up how I grew up.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
It is what it is like, you know what I mean,
I do, how I go, you know what I'm saying,
or whatever the case is. But just for the basketball part, man,
it just I just it's like, once I lock in
on something, I'm i'm I'm I'm I'm on it, you know, yeah,
And that that that's always been my mentality. Like if

(04:14):
you're gonna do it. You're gonna make sure you do
it the right way. And that's just all that's that's
always been. So I really had that tunnel vision and
then anything that's trying to get in the.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Way, I can't let it. I can't let it. You
know what I'm saying, I can't let it do it.
Then going to high school, how was that process? You know,
picking Provassal it was because it was right there. I
was gonna it was either that or Fenwick. I ain't
gonna lie. They want me to go to Fenwick. I
took the tests and everything. I'm like, I don't want
to go to Fenwick though, like you know what Cogetty

(04:46):
he went down there. They want me to go to Fenwick.
I was like, no, I'm gonna go to East. So
I went to East and just you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Unfortunately ain't get a chance to win, like win it all,
you know what I mean. But we still left mark
on on the game of basketball, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Like when you think about, like, yeah, they that they
was nice here.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
You know you did your thing though for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
When you start jumping like that though, family, like I
ain't gonna laugh like I used to walk everywhere. I
used to walk everywhere, got stroggles.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Everything.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I just I just, I just I used to move
around a little kid, just little kid. That's just a
little kids stuff, like you know what I'm saying, running around, jumping,
jumping off stuff, jumping on tree jumping. So now one
day I took a volleyball and I was like, I'm
finna try to and once I made it with the volleyball,
it was over.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I got the big ball.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
That kind of makes sense, as don't laugh the way
you take off a guard hold.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
That's interesting. I said, Man, I'm a fun on dunk
like no dunk and.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Like repetention to like you know what I'm saying. But
once you get that you know what I'm saying. People,
you know, people get to talking crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I always like.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Her, he he ain't big enough, he ain't gonna be
able to do this, hend be able to do that.
He ain't da da m Like, Okay, I ain't gonna
I ain't gonna let you know that I heard you
say that, but I'm gonna show you that I heard
you say that.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
So I've always been them type too, like you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
What kind of chip you had on your shoulder?

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Like coming from that side, did you like have a
chip on your shoulder like you know what.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
I'm always like you always like you know, as a man,
you always got something to prove anyway, Like you ain't
feel to just talk crazy to me. I would do
me or feel like you can say anything or any
of that. You know what I'm saying, We could take you.
I used to fight so much.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
One song, lost song, whatever it is like, Well I
always you just.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Ain't finna just off to he ain't just gonna hand
of me anything. You feel like, you know what I'm saying,
you want to And so I took that mentality to
the basketball courters.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I'm in the in the gym, listening to my music,
got my mule, I'm going full court.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I'm just like you know what i mean. So it
was it was kind of my getaway, my escape from
everything that negative that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Who was the old gs that you looked up to
like coming out you know at the hood, like you
look up to playing like damn you know before you like,
you know, for me, I got a couple of guys
in my neighborhood that was the ship.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Like when I was like, damn that man.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
They tell them stories, but everybody I just named, like
you know what I'm saying, like a like a deep brown,
like like they used to bring blue Head Luther Head
to the gym, like you know what I'm saying, and
like I used to have to go against some animals
like you know what I mean, it ain't it ain't.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
He ain't kept.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
Mother name Brown, you know, I mean, it gotta take
a lot for me to come to the gym. I'm like,
hold on, you know, yeah, I'm the big fellas, but
I'm steady hearing no wise like man Shannon Brown just
was will buying them and the head the mother man.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Shoot, he might be alright, but willing them in that
motherfucker just working on their game.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
But no, Shorty in there looking at you.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I'm trying to get there, nigga.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
What I was trying to figure out what's going on?
That's all I can say. I was like he was
nice though, like I'm talking about working.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Gonna lie through.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Will buy him a live from half court he win
me all that.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, that's through strengs shoes will. I ain't gonna lie Willin.
I'm just gonna say.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Shoes on he will man, he told listen, he told,
he said, he wearing a stress shoes.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Guess the ones I woke the jump the jump so
it jumps, so the stress shoes. Man. We played one
on one all day.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
And I was one of them full court.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Yeah, so should suck me up because it was like, damn, okay,
we we didn't.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
We're doing this training, trying to be pros things that nature,
and we catch this guy here just doing the same
ship where.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
You get that jumping from a few magazines and definitely
for sure, but no, that was big.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Always always on your your grand man growing up. I say,
the guys always told me about you. You know what
I'm saying, You guys, I'm talking them. They found open
gyms killer. It'd be anybody from Mars Sawyer, Cedric Matil.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Bailey, David Bailey, you know what I'm saying. I'm talking
we have Michael Herman in that joint, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, Like there's always some competition in that and we
don't get a lot of respect for that. But I
mean you coming up man and becoming you know, mister
basketball of the city. Talk to us about how did
that make you feel when you realize you was top
rank in the city.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I was just living to dream. Ank use a lot
to you. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
I see at an early age, like what I what
I could possibly do, and I just, you know what
I'm saying, I set my eyes on I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Uh you know how.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
You know how they say sometimes you don't really know
what you're doing it to you you doing.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
I still ain't. You know what I'm saying. I'm still
trying to like dang like you know what I was like,
But I was just I was just I was living
a dream. I was going through it, but I was
still putting it in the work, you know what I'm saying.
On the on the other end, I was still putting
in the work. Like so I think I think I
swept everything in the state of Illinois, like on the
under the you know what I'm saying, under the Humble Act.

(10:42):
I just I was just I was just working, like
you know what I'm saying, and like that was just
that just always been my mentality, you know what I
mean at that time, like it was a It wasn't
necessarily a b business like you know what I'm saying,
Like it was just me like doing like like what
I what I things that get me away from what

(11:02):
I was seeing off the court, you know what I'm saying,
And so I take that on the court and you know.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
What some positive How was your mom and you and
your dad?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, coming up like what they supportive and your basketball.
My mama ain't really know what's going on when you
come to basketball. My pops, you know what I'm saying,
he was like you know what I mean, like he couse,
they said he used to he used to shoot and
all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
They say he was decent. Boy. He ain't no ship though,
bus is it? Bus is it?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
But no, they was They were supported though, like they
was at the game, you know what I'm saying. But
it was just it was more so it was more
so the outside like love I was getting. You know
what I'm saying that I ain't really understand what I
was what was going on, you know what I mean,
even from like you say, you just you just named
a bunch of men.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
The man you just named a bunch of a bunch.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Of a bunch of names that you know what I'm saying,
went to these raw schools like it's it's it's like
it's used to be at the games to thin watching
it like and wouldn't he had no idea he was a.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Student of that. I was right there.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You know what I'm saying, hooplying our city don't get
too much. You know, we get overshadowed a lot of
you know, the I t Our programs, the ones that
we're young boy job out south to.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
You could come to the city and people will stamp you.
I'm trying to faithfully come see you don't even know you,
like I gotta go see that boy Shannon.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Brown play today? Looking for what city like that?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
And the basketball hoopl I'm talking about as far as
like our private runs like Foster Park. I don't know
if you feel the park our Tim Grover runs, our
Claire Court runs, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
If you I mean our Golden Dome runs.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Uh, you know what I'm saying, all throughout the city
were hooping and I don't think we get a lot
of credit.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
For how hard we we really care about this because
we got some guys.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
On to.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Humble way to get But meanwhile, you obviously you know
it was all parade, All American.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, it was pretty much top knocked.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I just want to tell.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Everybody, man, you how big the McDonald's All American Game
is to the city of Chicago. Guys who actually hoop
and guys who actually put the hard work, bloods and
tears in trying to you know what I'm saying, you
missed the basketball talk to us about, you know, the
getting selected being All American Game, Mickey.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I was.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
I was definitely proud of priord of that. I was
happy about that.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I mean, it's just the prestigious awards that you know
what I mean, that you receive, you get just got
to take advantage of. You get to play against the
greatest high school players in the world the nation, got
to come out on top.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I had like twenty three or some change, like like
twenty three.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Boy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
But I was just like, it's I knew it was
always like a target on my back.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
You talk about the chip on your shoulder, you know
what I mean. That's the balance though, you know what
I'm saying. Like I know more they after me, they
coming like they you know what I'm saying. But at
the same time, I got to handle my business was
right in front of me too, you know what I mean.
So just having that that that balance, that mentality to
like even even in the Jordan game, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Every time you step on the court, you got to
hand you being no matter who you playing against, you
got co MVP to that.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Then yeah, y'all, y'all so did I was on the
same team.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
They probably were the only that probably was the only
lost state that he had that year for real, for real.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
But just going out rempeting and having fun.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
It's just like you know what I mean, Like I say,
just to kill mentality like whoever it is.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
But at the same I ain't you know, say I'm
doing real life just you know what I mean, It
just like it diagnested mentality. We step on the court,
talk to us about just being able to, you know,
compete with Lebron. Jane early in your career, man Bron
always been a specially like a specimen to me, Like
you know what I'm saying. He always been super cool
like he he and come to the crib like you

(15:07):
know what I'm saying, Like just yeah, like here he
comes to the crib chill when they in Chicago, we
go to the condo, chill, play video game, whatever the
case he is. But and I feel like I feel
like I'm talking too much, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
But no, you know what I'm saying, Like I was there.
I was there when he when Brian broke his risks.
But even talking about the that them Tim Grover runs
like that's when he kind of came back.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
When he came back.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Oh, you kind of came back like you know what
I'm saying under the waist acting well, yeah that's how
you was left hand and all that like but it's
it's it's like I talked him even even AU, Like
I looked up the AU other day. They was like
they ain't even had a h they ain't even had
like three it was like three years that they missed
on for the people that like won the championship like

(15:59):
we want Chimp.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I was under the Nike circuit, so we want a
Championship of Florida.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Was man bron was competing in that joint you want it?

Speaker 4 (16:08):
I was was Broun. I forgot what team bron was on.
You want and well, yeah, the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, that's w Orlando had. That's when they had a
national championship game exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
He won the whole.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Warriors start. Yeah, I ain't start playing. Yeah, I ain't
start playingphomore year high school.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
I mean, they get au band name what whatever. But
I enjoyed you, Like you guys get out there. You
know what I'm saying. They play against.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Traveling the country. I mean it's to a different element
now than what it was.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. More competition, I believe
back then. Yeah, but small politics with this ship too,
so it's different. You know what I mean? Back then
the Hoopers you know you hoop? Yeah that's cool.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Well what you in high school with you was what
other school is like when you start because I know
you was niked.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
So you went to the Nike Y All American camp.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah y'all how you doing the camp business?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (17:12):
My business? I uh went out there. Was it was
just you know, just just playing, just trying. I always
been like, you know what I mean, if I got
a good coach, you tell me what I'm gonna go
out there?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Making it happen. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
You know, back then the Nike campus, when you're going in,
you're trying to come out there, motherfucker if you I'm
going to Nike Cam Ring thirty three looking at.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
It the rank I knew.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I knew the rankings going up. I knew the rankings,
but I never like like really paid a titt to
him like that because I know, because I know it's
animals trying to straight up, you know what I'm saying.
So I gotta make sure I'm watching everything that's going
on because somebody might might gotta scope on me. And
I don't even know who you is, Like, you know,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, when you're coming out, you look at the motherfucker
rings camp.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
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about how that came about and how you performed in

(19:32):
that in the season that you know, lead score early is.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
What It's a air where I was air game I played.
I just seen it's all the whole time, like every
time you know how like you you like, if you're
gonna show me that much loyalty, like, well wouldn't I
you know what I'm saying. Then at the same time,
off us going to the going to the final four,
winning championships.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
One was going to the league, got a resume. Yeah
you know, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I scored fifty
in front of Roy Williams. I steal I could. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I could.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
But I had a lot of options as far as
like whatever school I want to go to.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I have all the got crates and crates and crates
of letters and letters letters, but it is just just
you know what I'm saying, he showed the most loyal
and then I don't know if somebody leaps something one time,
I'm uh I mean Hooks Texas right, like I got
family and New Boston texts.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
I got family in texts.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
But I just wanted to play some you know, we
came down here just just a cheer. I want to
play some some pick up. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Just the hoop.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Well about twenty twenty five coaches in there. Yeah, I
was like, going, it's your state. There's somebody leaking information. Man,
you know what I'm saying. But no, but I just
it's like it is just.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
That was the fact that everything else that you know
what I mean, I love that I looked I looked
up the man z Bo man Mo Cleves more like
I knew who went to the school.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
For sure Spartan shout out the coach is man, that's
Spartan family.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
No, but love within all this time, man, you know
you know I'm i'mnna be so shat town with this.
Within all this time, your brother, I'm assuming Sterling he
looking up to you. It's like damn, like bruh doing
this shit? Like is this motivating him? Like y'all playing
one on one, like y'all get brothers.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
All of you know what I'm saying, you just attitudes
with me. I don't know why he was mad, you
know what I'm saying. I guess because I was busting
his ass. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. He
like he definitely he definitely, like right now, he heldling
his business. You know what I'm saying, I'm proud of.
You know what I'm saying it for him. I ain't
gonna even lie to it, but I mean, shit, like

(21:43):
it's just it's just it's just the mentality.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
He got that same mentality. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
We grew up in the same place, like we might
be ten years different, and you know the heart of that.
But he was definitely like I just like seeing how
I was handling my business. You know what I'm saying.
He took it to another level, like you know what
I mean, was familiar the process. Yeah, y'all I used
to bus. Don't use running the house crying. He will
give me the ball like yeah, big, that's my boy.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Man. He shot all the way. That's big though. Man.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
And and then I want to also just speak on
just your relationship with Iszo, Like can you tell us
a few things you learned while being around them and
some of the firm you know things he's staying on. Man,
iss got me out of a bunch of troubles, so
I'm forever forever. But it's just the way he approached
the game of basketball, you know, nonsense playbook like a football,

(22:34):
like you know what I'm saying, Like it's it's like
he just had that what y'all call it great and
grind like you know what I'm saying. He gonna play,
he gonna play. He ain't scared, he gonna play.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Who won't go out there and play like whether you
can hoop or you can't, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like you're gonna teach you the game of basketball. Like
that's why I like I like, I like Michigan State man,
I like ears like he's just mentality. But then off
the courty, cool too, bring bring all the players to
the to the crib family dinner.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Com rader.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah you know what I'm saying all that, but wan
the wind though, and it's steady showing man that's.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Big because both speak highly of them as well.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, and just even had that process of you know
what I'm saying, people you know y'all left early.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know, I had to go the whole round, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
And so just to know that, you know, y'all had
a coach that was in you know, in good grace
with y'all to say, hey man, y'all need to leave early,
I was, can you talk to us about that process?

Speaker 4 (23:29):
And honestly, like I felt like I should have left
in two thousand and five when we went to the
final four, but I would I still at that point,
I wouldn't like I wouldn't like thinking like from a
business standpoint like I was, you know what I'm saying.
I was just I'm hooping, enjoying, like I'm living a dream,
you know what I'm saying. So I probably should have
left after my but I went back, you know what
I mean, or whatever the case is. But it's it's

(23:52):
all that, and we ended up losing in the first round.
But it's just like it was still the basketball for me.
I was gonna go back up another year, you know
what I'm saying. I was gonna go back another year
just to say how I worked out for like thirty teams.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, tweet like that's that's a lot of like.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I did it. I worked out like sixteen seventeen seventeen teams.
I wasn't for everybody.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
You know, it's different now back then, you that's how
it went. Yeah, you'd be tired of going to team
and team. You know, I we're grinding, so come on
with it.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Figure out what's going on, you know what I mean.
But that's the like, that's like the business. Like the
business side is just the love love basketball. Following your journey,
bro it's been it's been like just a loan time
coming Broke.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I got a chance to lock up with yeah when
I think my third fourth year of the league. Yeah,
and I I embraced that.

Speaker 6 (24:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Show was like, yo, got to though, like especially where
we come from, you know they're gonna talk crazy, get
back to the crew, you know, what's your ass? Like,
damn what you all right? You gotta embrace that though
every time. So it was like like I just like
it was cut from that cough Man at the time. Man,

(25:10):
it was like, you know, we weren't really honoring nobody.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Was hunting everybody to.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
The Glovers, every everybody, Baby Me, Wheel and Looke, We
was hunting them and just to run.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Across you, Bro, I ain't gonna like you. That TV
show put like put put people on like.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
The Prey you know about the tooth too, like everything
that's going on, like everything, what everything that's going on? Yes,
that's the press put a lot of people like the Preps.
Like it's like the first reality TV.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
It was like, We're gonna take the camera follow you
around school, boom, go to your practices, boom with the camera.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
We're just following you the whole day. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
And I think Will Luther, Jason Strait, Amari Eddie Curry
all the top dollars in the city and that I
want to say what that was two thousand and one
class It turned up.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
And they did that on each players I've seen that
boy especially that was a big that was was big
in the city. You made that joint you all, come on,
come on.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Big games was crazy. They ain't ready to fight like
everything was.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Man, you know, I wanted to ask you, what was
other schools besides Michigan State?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
That was that you was miss State was your first?
But who else you thought was working with? A man?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I had so many letters sometimes I ain't even going
to read like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Old school recruiting right here right out.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
But like I don't know, like places like like Duke,
like I said, Kansas, North Carolina place like places like that,
I would have. I would have, you know what I'm saying,
really considered going to you know what I mean. But
like I say, Michigan State was it was you know
what I mean, it was, it was the right school
for me.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
I just wish I realized I would have started thinking
business earlier, you know what I mean as far as like.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Like how how things uh.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
How things operate, like even that looking at the number one, two,
three ranking or you know what I mean, all of
that stuff like I did. I took that as for
like them, like all this hard work I'm putting in,
it's it's paying off, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Because you went to Michigan State, you was number one,
You was number one shooter guard. You don't want player
your position going into going to state, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
So, and we should have we should have went to
the We should have went to we should have won
National Chevy.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
We end up we do only end up going to
the final four ward. Yeah, tell me about that experience.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Unbelievable experience. I was the MVP of the Austin Regional
and we played. We played against some great teams, Dude,
Kentucky like we played.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
We played.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
We played against some great teams to get there. It
wasn't no easy role. And everybody played a party as well.
You know what I'm saying, like he has had us read.
You know what he said, give me past that first game.
You know what I'm saying, You ready taking up? You
ready run through a wall exactly. So it's it's like
it was. That was a great experience though.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Men.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
For I had a ball that I think Illinois made.
It was it was a man Louisville, Illinois in North Carolina, Carolina.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
Y'all got a chance to play against canceling, Yeah, failing
them with cants.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah. I hope he got me zooming in the character. Yeah,
just have me zoom Yeah, because I like you gets

(28:58):
bring it to the table. Man. No gonna speak about
it now because we keep it sip right and we
speak about that evening. We have wing Cloud Chase. They
want to get it, they want to fight. You don't
won't get it out they want to fight for. So
what I say, if we can speak on it, you

(29:18):
want to speaking on yes, the speak on it.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
That's North Carolina ship Man's Spartan dogs Ship's right right.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's how you. Meanwhile, I was just saying that the same.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Wow, that's what we need some some Meanwhile.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
We're gonna bank.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Merchant the work grind.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
So Bro, your junior year, Bro, you average like seventeen
a game. You feel what I'm saying. You're killing You're
doing your thing, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
In college?

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (30:12):
In college college? Yeah? Yeah, we ain't got your league yet.
It's after we got to talk about getting yes.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
And So what I want to know is what ultimately
led you to that decision. Was it more so he
was killing or was the draft? You're looking at people
coming in?

Speaker 7 (30:30):
What?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
What? What? What led you to that?

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Man?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
They were telling me that I could go out of
high school. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
But I wasn't necessarily quite believing them, Like you know
what I'm saying, because I feel like like it talking
about that. Yeah, you know what, I have a lot
of nuts to go out of high school.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, like they like that's like that's all I heard,
Like you you go out of high school. But I
want to make sure I was hearing it from the
right people. That's gonna leave me the right way, though.
Don't have me going out there tweaking only you know
what I'm saying, I don't even get drafted.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
I got it.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
I had to make sure, you know what I mean,
and that that was my whole thing, like just making
sure people.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Weren't doing me wrong.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Like I could have went out high school, you know
what I'm saying, But I told I chose to go
to chose to go to college. Oh, and just it
was just time. It was just time for me to leave.
It was time for me to go. Like I said,
I should have left after my my after we went
to the final four. You know what I'm saying, I
should I really should have left there. But it was
just time for me to move on. And you know
what I mean, go go go to different heights, you

(31:23):
know what I mean, as far as the as far
as the basketball go. Yeah, we could talk about the
bread and all of that, but just go different heights
as far as you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah,
that's exactly what I'm like.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
I'm I'm eight, I'm eight years old seeing myself in
the NBA, Like like, yeah, you know what I'm saying,
But like, you know what I mean, It's just like
I dream, I dream, I dreamed huge.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
You know what I mean. Talk to us about draft night. Man.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
He was at ESPN's on me and a bunch of
my family. He was at ESPN's on and uh man,
it was getting So I got the twenty twenty probably twenty.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I went up steals.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I had to walk away from everybody space.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Went earlier.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I don't know. I just I was.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
I was just It's just like I know I can hoop,
That's all I know. You know what I'm saying. If
you put me in front of anybody, I'm a bust
a head. That's just how I sat ship. You know
what I'm saying. That's just how I feel, you know
what I'm saying. So you get to twenty, I'm like,
what's going on there? And they ain't telling me nothing.
So I just go upstairs by myself. Get to twenty
five and it was like okay, bet, Like you know

(32:33):
what I'm saying now I'm in the league, I gotta
you know what I'm saying, I gotta, I gotta handle
my business.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
But we was like we was.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
We had a whole celebration, went out after words and
all type of stuff. It was turned out to we kicked.
We kicked like you know what I'm saying. And it
was again it was a dream come true. Like you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I forgot got into the Grive Dolphin.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I forgot that we definitely without entourage, were definitely God
that's big man, because you got to figure man come
from where we come from, bro, and is to make
it just even hear our name, Bro, you know what
I'm saying, just getting out of our circumstances.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It was a huge account.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It ain't too many people that get to say they
did that.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
And it's also, uh, it gives the youth that we
come from. You know, we come from a whole lot
of hope, bro, cause we were regular people.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
We just we just have work at it.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I think that's what separates a lot of you know
what I'm saying, you know the one percent.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
By the right people say that when.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
You was young, he was like man, Yo, I vision
myself being in the league. So that goes to tell me,
like your rookie year, can you explain to us about
how you saw your rookie year because you ain't just
go to no regular team.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Man, you went to one of them organizations. We went
to the finals. We played against San Antonio that year.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Many were they was doing a great job, like you
know what I'm saying. Every day for me, it was
a new adjustment, you know what I'm saying as far
as like just doing whatever it took for the team
to win.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I had to go to the G League a few times,
like it would it just enlightened us on that.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Man, I go to GLE actually like thirty I was
league Like.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Going to the G League Like I ain't gonna lie
you you just you know you're gonna get forty your fifties.
Yeah yeah, because you're getting the attempts, but exact playing
it's a different. It's a different you know know what
I'm saying, Uh role that you gotta play when it
comes to the G League. You know what I'm saying,
GLE really well, just just to make sure like you're

(34:44):
staying in shape. You still if we put you in
the game, you still in basketball shape where you can
you know what I'm saying, contribute to help you know
what I'm saying, to help helping us win. But that,
like my rookie year was dope. Though I learned so much.
I was on the team Brin Larry Hughes was. I
was on the team with some you know what I'm saying,
some some some great players, Eric Snow, David Wesley.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Didn't like David. I used to have to go get
him call from from Starbucks that morning he Snow.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Spart.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
I know he wasn't shoting my boy. You know he
working the ship at you.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
For real, like you know what I mean, it's it's
having man.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
I learned so much. It was great for me. Though
my rookie year was a great experience. What was your
welcome to the NBA moment?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Man?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I had a few of like you know what I'm saying,
Like I had a fuel till you catch your catch
your lip.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
But even practicing, like practicing.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
With Thatch the squad, like like Mann, David West used
to bust my ass, like you know what I'm saying.
One time Broun one time Broun came hit me with
a shot fake and put his put his shoulder all
of my rib cage. I was like, dangn. That was
like that was a welcome to the NBA moment. I
gotta stay down on these shot face.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
They gonna have me.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
You know what I'm saying out here going crazy boy.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
But yeah, and I just man, just just every experience
in the league, you know what I'm saying, every experience.
Like I said, we went to the uh we went
to went to the finals, got swept by by San Antonio.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
But that was that was like, that was a great
you know what I'm saying, learning experience for me. You
know what I'm saying, Like I got a chance to
see that in my first year.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Yeah, that swept sh It ain't cool. I ran y'all
ran the pop y'all tim.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
No, they got five people, forget they got five Yeah,
you ran to them too. We had that experience. Yeah.
So then being part of a trade, a massive trade,
going to the Bulls, right, and then eventually going to
the Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Was there horns then or was it thecast bocat He
explained to us those that in that period of time
what was your man said?

Speaker 4 (36:57):
So, so what I was, I was just thinking, I
need to on the team while where the coach is
gonna let me play, you know what I'm saying, Where
the coach is gonna let me make mistakes, you know
what I'm saying, Like, yeah, you know what I mean,
Like cause it's a different adjustment coming from especially Michigan.
Stay where you're gonna play fast, like we're playing fast.
Like this game was a little Yeah, this game was
a little different, you know what I mean. And just

(37:17):
I always been an anxious person anyway, so I'm always
out there just on on go mo, you know what
I mean. But once it like start teaching the plays
and how to how to break down the plays and
this is what they gonna do this, you know what
I'm saying, Like, that's when it kind of kind of
slowed down for me a little bit and I got
a chance to see what well, Like when I went
to Charlotte, I was Larry Brown was the coach, and

(37:39):
he he I learned a lot from him as well,
you know what I mean, as far as how to
approach the game and how to go out there and
and and and give it.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Everything you got really he wanted them type coaches.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You know, Zoe used to go to the Detroit games
and watch them, so you know what I'm saying, Like
that's that. It was just yeah, you know what I mean,
it was it was just a uh like kind of
a full circle moment. I started to flourishing, and you
know in Boston and shoot, I mean, shoot, we played
the Lakers. I handled my business and like that's kind
of how that, you know what I mean, I get

(38:12):
breaking out game right, yeah, and they grew in yeah,
you know after and so after that, I ended up
getting traded to l A and she won two championships.
You know what I mean, we ain't gonna get to the.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Champion should have won three. I want to know.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I want to know though, man, you played with that
guy man obviously, uh who I think is Michael Jordan
and my you know, obviously big salute. We watched Mike
on w g N, you like, but actually getting into
the league that was the closest thing to it, and
you got to to obviously play with him. Can you
talk to me because a lot of people, you know,
they hear about the work ethic, hear about them up

(39:00):
in the morning and things of that nature. Was that
contagious in your work habits? Of course?

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Of course, like or that That's how I always been anyway.
But of course, like I mean, they used to have
Craig Hodges and kareem up doing you bought pass on
me have to shoot around like you know what I'm saying,
Like stuff like that, Like you know what i mean.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Like, but that's always been my my thing too.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
But every time you see Kobe, it's like he doing
something to get better at basketball, whether you watching or
whether he in the you know, training room, getting his
injuries worked on, whether he lifted ways, whether he's getting
up shot like every time you've seen it was he
was basketball for like he had.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
He had something that he wanted to accomplished, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
And that's why the most you was you got a
chance to get i mean, be front center with it.
And that's why I'm pretty sure it off where you know,
you come back to the gym, get shot up. You
want a nighttime for old cod man. Did he instilling

(40:01):
just like any empowerment to you when you play? Did
he give you confidence? He talked to us about playing
alone because a lot of people think Kobe just was
a loaner. People like Kobe with nobody. I mean, like
I mean, just tell us about your experience and being.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
With I don't know, just like again, it's just like here,
he'll just tell me demolish whoever it is that's in
front of me, like you know what I mean, And
that's just like that, That's all I could. That's all
I can say, Like you know, you ain't had to say,
don't say let's don't say, you know what I mean?
Like that's like that's all I needed. And I used
to watch him, like I sit back, I'll watch. I
don't talk much. I sit back, I watch, and I learned,

(40:36):
like you know what I'm saying, I like how you
do that? I implement that into my game, like you
know what I'm saying, Like I'm that type. So like
just to see like how he was working and how
he was doing his thing, you know what I mean.
I kind of had that, but it obviously it took
it to another level because you know, it's production, like
you said, Michael Jordan, like I had to still stay
in reality, like oh, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
So it's it's like it's like you live in a dream,
but at the same time, you still gotta go out
there and produce, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
That's why I was happy.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I'm man for filled just to you know, like how
that to have that belief in me that put me out.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
There in these games, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
On the way to the championship and we're gonna we're
gonna win, And like I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
For speaking the field. Speaking the field, you think that
triangle offense can work in today's league today.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
I feel like if you if you teach it right
and you got the right players to play in it,
it's definitely gonna work.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's been proven eleven time. God damn popping this.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah he got rings, you know, but no, I ain't
gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
It'd be so funny, man, It'd be tasked.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Where when I be just sticking that offense, I know,
y'all gonna come to that mid post, catching in the posts.
You ain't really looking for that med like you ain't
looking for no score unless you pile. It's gonna be
like a the action. Don't get caught on the back,
go or don't get caught with their fisher coming around
and get a three bro.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
The Okay, they don't got that, boom, they don't got
none of that. So now somebody's finna run to the
opposite elbow, catch it. Boom, Let the big come out
their handoff. He's about to run to the corner. He
about to run to the corner to set up the
train on the other side. Yeah, you could.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
You couldn't take everything away.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Hey, SB. I study.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
Yeah, I know a lot of film works. It's like
it's almost like a quick hitter option because because they
got so many talented players. But if Kobe catch it
in that post, or if he catches any any of
them angles, Kobe catching that, he's finna fuck you up.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Scoring Threa every time, scoring threat. And I'm just y'all
was well structured.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
When everybodynew the offense, y'all wentn't changing it, man, And
it just told me that y'all had just a lot
of discipline it man, I ain't gonna lie. I always
wanted to know this because I played Paul Piers one
on one.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Then every time he wanted whenever he wanted it, I was.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I was in shape, ready for weight room exercise not
doing so. I just wanted to know that Kobe e
extend those officer of one.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
On one NOAE against but but but I had to
play against play against him every day in practice though,
Like so it wasn't even know what he was like
the gang, Yeah, come out whiteation every time. So I
got you know, I had to. I had to heldle

(43:39):
my business. So he was try and do it like that.
I'm like, of course I'm gonna stay humbly. I'm shooting, shooting, shooting,
knocked that one for that. That's the most discouraging ship
he used to do to me. But I ain't gonna
even lie, bro, what you said?

Speaker 5 (43:58):
What he said shooting, Bro, I'll be wide open in
the corner that man and just look and just turn
around and wait for me to shoot.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
That ship is so discouraging though I don't even know
so man, listen, like just won't even attempt to come
to it. No, I ain't gonna say he would he
knew I was. He knew, yeah, work, he knew I
was on that like he you know what I'm saying.
But you know what I'm saying, then next time down

(44:28):
you know what I mean, I might don't. But we
edit though, we edit, We we edit like all the time.
Stick him in the game. You ready to practice, you
want game?

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Because he was so smart with the triangle. He knew
how to break off the play but still be in
the right spot.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah you know what I'm saying. If that makes sense, No,
I understand all, Like you know what I mean. So
he get the ball and just got that works there form. Yeah,
they hit you one dribble shot fake to the line,
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
So it just all depends on on on.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
What he what he wanted to do at the time.
But at the same he played within the offense, if
that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
But then you're still forty like quick and somebody else,
somebody else got a doug.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Were next thing, you know, we're up twenty five. You
know what I'm saying. It was always that easy. But yeah,
you know what I mean, Like, that's that's the beauty
of the triangle. That's why I wish you would have
won that twelve one. We the one that le well
that third one in the row. Dallas swept, but they
did us saying they couldn't miss from the three. But
I ain't gonna lie that's still hurt.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
They got that one the third, Yeah, I still want
that back.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
It was a lot going on now, yeh, but I
still am still want that one back though, I ain't
gonna lie that that one hurt. That that been three
of them things, three in a row.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
We right, you know what I mean? Like keeping history
high posed? Go, hello, everyone, it's time for some picks
with the Grandfather. You guys already know what to do.

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Speaker 1 (46:09):
But remember now, this is a skill based game. All right,
here we go. Let's head over to the west. This
series is a battle, and we got the two MVP
candidates going at it. SGA and the Joker.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Typically this is an easy pick, but both of them
have had some tough and good games this series. But
I'm always gonna go more on points with both of them.
That's my first two picks. The next two picks, let's
stay with the MVPs.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
All right.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Let me see, we're gonna go less on rebounds for
Shay and more on a cist for Yokis. Last two picks,
let's go Jamal more points. He needs a big game
for the Nuggets six stend the series, and let's go
less on points for j Doug. I don't think he's

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gonna have a huge night like he did last game.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
And that's it for my picks of the week. Talk
to us about the first one? How did that one?
Something about that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
That man, Listen, it's like you, it's just it's just you.
You you living, you live in a dream. But it's
just like, like, thinking back on it.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Now, I was, man, I was, I was getting drunk
as soon as as soon as the game was so we.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Man, whatever, let's take over the world tweaking. Yeah, yeah,
that first one.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
I don't know that your champions I don't know about it.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I'm trying to really ask because I know I'm thinking
franchise and franchise and I'm prepared because all they know
is championship. And so I know for us, it was
more so like all right, we're gonna all do everything together.
We're gonna if we go out, we're going out and
want to go eat. We're going to eat together. Ain't
no one person going ahead with everything together because what

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that's gonna be is com rock and not only that, Bro,
We're gonna come in here and have that same energy
on the court.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
So I just want to know the vibs. And it
was pretty much much the same way. It was the
same way we go out to eat together, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
So the movies had whatever, like we we're just we're
just chill like as a team because you got to
get to know your teammates. How you gonna know where
you want the ball or how you gonna know what
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know what I'm saying. Like,
so we we're definitely vibe with't nobody really tripping or
tweaking up. I ain't read too much beef nothing like that.
You know what I'm saying. We stepped on the court.
We step on the court for one goal. You know
what I'm saying, that's to win it all. And that

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was just that was that was just the mentality, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Bro? Another thing, you never got into a dunk? Yeah
I did? You did? I lost? You lost Okay, we
ain't gonna bring it.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Yeah, we can talk about it because I definitely definitely yeah,
we can definitely talk about it because I was, I
was preparing for it. Is just I missed. I missed
my three sixty uh Marthin Rose and Nate Robinson and
uh uh Jerald Wallace.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Oh you have some action, you have some real action.
Definitely lost. I missed.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
I mean I man like look for the pre I
literally jumped over Kobe and DJ Bingle like literally, like
in clarity, I want to pull out, but I had
to get loose, like I couldn't have pulled that one
out yet, I had to get like yeah, I literally
jumped over them like I don't know, I don't know
if it's no footage so well, I don't know if
it's security cameras in there.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
But I literally did. But I lost, though I took.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
I accept that, but I told Kobe walking off the court,
I say, letting that let's go in this championship.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
That's saying yeah that, like when I lost the dunk contact, Yeah,
sat we won.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
That was the second back to back real champion. You
know the wait man, hold on, we ain't got to that.
That's when y'all beat us team we got to that. Yet,
I'm gonna tell you that I'm glad we're on.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
This subject right now because I'm here to say, Bro,
if Kendrick Perkins winn and got hurt, Bro and Ben.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Y'all, we didn't had to what have been what would
have been a difference though, would have been a difference.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, because Kobe Bryant on record telling Perk he the
best post defender right ever, I believe. And then you
look at powders All, he had nineteen and eighteen rebounds
and like I want to say, it's another high statistic.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I don't give me the capin, but he could have
easily been MVP that year, right, thirty six that year. Now,
all we need to do is stop that eighteen and eighteen.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Right, I might I have work?

Speaker 5 (50:53):
And then Doc played his starting lineup the whole second half.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, that's what went wrong. But I promise you when
you got that motherfucker, I say, look at it.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Something's got They threw a few assists, you know what
I mean, because that's how the triangle work. Like you,
you underssard, you can't move it. You don't got to
like they was throwing me some nice cis. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
No, I ain't gonna lie. You be sometime that top
guy and you come off that handoff.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
You might don't see it again. Man, you might be upstanding.
That's the thing about that. So when you used to
come up that joint, ain't gonna come up that joint.
Say he's gonna have to hit me with a three
under that screen. The handoff is right there.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
You know what, y'all should have had this on film
when y'all show this, because he come off a lot
of those handoffs going upstairs.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
But turning it, I got you, man, I got you.
That's that's the.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Only way that corner. I turn the corner. You might
stop on my big Yeah, whoever helpsag again dumped on right.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
But but that's the other that's that that's the other
option too, you know what I'm saying, because you can't
take everything aiga wait, so yo, if your big man
come over there, he messed up.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
If he don't come over there, he messed it away.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Shot or you just dunk dunk.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Don't want to straight up, that's a big But that's
the fun part about the triangle doing knowing and understanding
and seeing how I flow like people sleep on the triangle.
But talk to me about Phil Jackson seeing master. That's
what like literally, like you know what I'm saying, He
was like he wanted them. He taught me how to
center myself, how to calm down, how to relax, never
get too high and never get too low. Like whatever

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going on, I ain't gonna call no time out, but
you better stop the bleed, like you know what I'm saying,
Like one of them for.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
That too, Like like y'all be getting to beat out
there and be like let him figure it out.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, bro, you got a whole TV time.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
But it was always that that that that that calmness though,
like he just got a certain calm aura about his
sol like you a monk or something like you know
what I'm saying, Like he just got this calmness.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
He knew the game. He knew the game of basketball.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
You can teach the game of basketball, teacher, just try
and go all that test winners like he knew each
player knew. He like he was still studying, you know
what I'm saying, study in the game still right now?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
What what y'all do after the championship. Man, team y'all
beat you enjoyed ourself. Damn y'all be enjoyed.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I already knew. I knew it was. I was watching.
I think me and men Will might have watched it,
but I was watching it. I was watching it when
uh what y'all won that?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And I've seen Yeah, I know, I knew got the
two most championships in NBA history, hyped up, ed up?

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Yeah man and cra You know, I never ever spoke
the code that Bro just now I look back at it,
like brother from the crib.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I was like, b gotta really be around a legend,
ever do it? Bro? Man?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
That that that that that's a that's an accomplishment in itself.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Bro, rest in peace could go for sure one of
the greatest.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah man, So playing with playing with Brin you know,
going to the finals and playing with Cob going to
the finals.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Can you explain us, like what difference you saw in
He's a prolific.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Player, man, Well, for myself, I was just sitting back
and learning. You know what I'm saying. It was only
Bron I think it was his third, third, third, or
fourth year, if I ain't mistaken. So he was still
you know what I'm saying, you still still young. But
for me, it was definitely a full circle moment.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
It's like playing with these like the greatest of all time,
literally you know what I'm saying, and then just for it,
like hit the finals and then come back, come back,
come back around again. Like I say, it's I don't know, man,
Like I don't ready even like to talk about that
Lebron Uh Kobe Mike comparison.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
You know what I'm saying. We can't run from it.
You've been blessed with both.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
People need to hear you, man, you play this game, bro,
because it's it's like it's like.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
It's as much as you could compel, like it ain't
it ain't really no like Bron you see what Bron doing,
it's heard like like you see what Bron do. But
at the same time, Mike was different because he did
three years of college and he was like he transcended.
He transcended the game in a way that that's unexplainable
from every way from marketing to to on the court

(55:33):
off the court, Like you know what I'm saying, he
transit and Kobe come through and you know what I'm
saying he he do his thing like it's it's like
it's it's that conversation.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Three twenty three, Okay, three, you know what I mean?
He's the Godfather question, no question.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
But but the stuff, but the stuff that Bron doing,
it's gonna it's gonna take a while for somebody to
come along.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
And do that. Why you think. I'm just saying why
you like the points and all all of the system.
It's gonna take.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
It's gonna take something like it's gonna take a while
for somebody to do that.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Man, That's what I say.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
You think you think a lot of what a you
was doing that we're searching for that next big thing,
right and it's it's been a while we've been searching.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
So you gotta admire what dude doing.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Right now, for sure. Love, but let's not forget it's
all started from one.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah watch, okay, everything, but you got blessed to play
with both of them.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
So that's big man. I ain't gonna let man just
to see how used to let me in hoops to
I used to play with I used to play with
my Now I used to let me in hoops experience
experience the same time right right, because they made me
wait so long to play. And when Quentin Richardson saw
me play, bro Yeah, Quin Richard rich yeah, Bro you

(57:05):
a pro.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
He was the biggest motivation. He told me that in
my face I sat down after the game, that I'm
tired here. Yeah, well you apro Bro, Yeah. I got
one more year in Oklahoma State. So I want to
know when you went in there, did you play right away?
Because it's I said too long. Yeah, but I played though,

(57:28):
and I played shots, was going in. I'm defending here
and them talk crazy like. They gave me that confidence too,
gave me that motivation. Some of the players making that
joint man was a bunch of players. Don't give me
the yeah yeah, Jawan Howard obviously, Mike Jordan, them who

(57:49):
I missed a big fella from the crib.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
He was just only uh Bobby Simms and Bobby Simmons
was in there to Queen Richard. I seen Paul Fisher,
I seen shut back. You make a backboard windmill that
broke the whole backboard crazy.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I'm telling you like you cut from that. They used
to let me in there.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
I used to I want to know about twenty eleven,
what made you want to get up out of there?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
With the Lakers tough? Oh it was again it was
just time for me to go. Like you know what
I'm saying. Sometimes you just needed yeah, you know what
I mean. And so it was it was time for
me to go to that next level.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
But I did notice like stuff got kind of weird though,
you know what I'm saying, because even from the like
from the business standpoint, like I had went from a
team that was winning championships to a team that was
trying to lose on purpose to get like the first
like pick and stuff like that, and that kind of
they did something to my soul, Like you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
That messed me up.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
That messed me up from the basketball standpoint, you know
what I mean, try to get huh they were trying
to get. I forgot, I forgot who they was.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
They were trying to get that, but but they was
losing on purpose to get a better draft pick and that,
And I don't even know I should even be saying that,
you know what I'm saying, Good, even though that's how
the game go.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
But it did something to me, Like I'm average sixteen
seventeen eighteen points. They put me in a game for
for ten seconds. I think I sound the shot as
the sun. You know what I'm saying, Dan, I know
it was like it's it's it's playing with like you
know what I mean. So like, but I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
I almost wished I would have stayed with the Lakers
just to see, you know what I'm saying, how we
probably could have.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Did it again, you know what I mean? And like
you said, you went there, it's a whole different mentality.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Yeah, mentality like we we I don't I don't know
how you could teach a person to lose, like you
know what I mean, How you go out there every
night compete to lose like they.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Don't even it's hard to do, bro, Yeah, they don't
even don't even make it.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
And we still almost meant like shout out Grandhills, shout
out Steve Nash all like them them players.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
You know what I'm saying. I was on on a
team with.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
So you say you don't know how to lose, right,
But you're right. So Ever, I said, you don't know that,
right unless you trying to get Cooper flag situation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
It got at that time, it had to be one
of them type of talents coming up. That's the only
time they do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, but it messed me
up because I'm I'm I'm coming from championship to right,
you're leaving fish, leaving power, real season, better, real professional.
You get over there, they probably got tables scheduled to
got them as has got the work lined up going.

(01:00:40):
You definitely got it, Like what's going on over there?
You definitely got to enjoy riding buses after the p J.
They got the sprinter, they got the all black car.
They going straight to the club. They were trying to
win over there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Has we knew it?

Speaker 6 (01:00:59):
You knew it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
You gott.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Like I've been saying, I'm just saying, you know how
what has too for? They kicking it? Trust me, I
ain't gonna lie on no, but no, you look, you
declined Joe to go over there though, right, I forgot

(01:01:25):
what the stipulations of the situation, people like get out
of the trying to lose, and you went on I forget.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
But no, you know what I'm saying, like, oh know,
like people talking about regrets and all that. Man, I
definitely I definitely think we probably could have won at
least another one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
You know what I'm saying by the stadium in l A.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
But I I chose you, you know what I'm saying,
make that move and learned to learn the valuable less.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
But being at that time you with Kobe, what did
that teach you when you left there? That I can't
go to no team that try to lose ain't championship values?

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
And I mean I was like I say, man, we
won national championship, a you went to the final four
in college, Like we made it decent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
You know what I'm saying. As far as state goal,
I was a winner, like you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Saying, Like I ain't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
I don't do nothing for it to be mediocre or
you know what i mean. Like I'm really trying to
excel in whatever it is, you know what I'm saying.
And the winner in the winner for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah. So that's that. You know, that's that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
That's that that basketball I learned. I learned that a
lot from you know what I'm saying. Cole too, you
have the same values, you know what I'm saying, same
principles like we're gonna win at all costs, right normal?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
You were three finals in your first six years?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, yeah, straight up.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
I ain't get to that ship to myths like you say,
he got that success then winning early.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah super early, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
And I was just happy to to you know how
people be talking crazy or you ain't even like men
and live women a lot and numbers could be manipulated,
you know what I'm saying, like like real, for real,
Like so it's like sometimes people don't see the value
of you actually being out there on the court making
a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Like you all you just rolled the bench. He was
I was actually out there. You know what I'm saying.
Major difference for sure, major part. Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
So we're right here, bro we in Phoenix on on
the getting to a team where you know, you see
a huge difference in preparation and how you prepare, how
to be professional. What kept you grounded in that situation
to be able to understand it's more to basketball than what's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Losing like I was losing. Did you have a routine,
a regiment? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
I had a routine every every night I was in
the gym. I was always there early, give.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Us a day in the in the wake up of
a profession new shinning bro.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I mean, it all depends on how I'm feeling that day.
I might, you know, wake up, we might got shoot around.
You know what I'm saying. I might go to shoot around,
do what I gotta do, handle my business, getting my
you know what I'm saying from in just getting there,
getting away roads.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah, I gotta do. Go to the game.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Obviously we weren't trying to win, so you know what
I mean, We're gonna take a hell no, but yeah,
do what I gotta do. You know what I mean,
just do it. Just doing I gotta do. Might hit
the hit the night club at night. You know what
I'm saying yourself, you know what I mean, don't do that.
But that's just you know, that's just a normal day though,
just something some slight, some slight. I ain't I ain't

(01:04:39):
really do too much. I ain't really like I went out,
But it wasn't always like I like to sneak out,
like you know, what were the young guys that was that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I'm pretty sure they had a young team at the
same What was it, man, It was a transition, Yeah,
it was definitely. It was definitely a transition. Dude, I
didn't understand because I know Steve.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
I know, I know Steve Nash Grant here, I know
them guys want through win, like you know what I'm saying,
Like I know, I know probably got a sacrifice for
the sake of the team and all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I just I was just it did just did something
to me, like it messed me up basketball wise. That's
when I really learned it was business. You know what
I'm saying. I already learned basketball with a business at
that time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
There's certain things that that go on that it's just like, dang,
messed me up there something too me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
You had you had a lot of good games in
that year too. Yeah, I was, I was.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
That's why I'm trying to looking for them highlights right now. Yeah,
you know, I'm you dropped like what thirty two on
the like multiple games and it was like that year
you had got a chance to really showcase your your skin.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yeah, but that's why he.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Was doing in the Jordan All American Game. You know
what I'm saying, it's the basketball I thought that opened
up your game and it, and Phoenix is one of
those organizations where they play quick on the go on
the I thought that helped.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
You a lot and off for Shure, I definitely got
a chance to just I mean, what you gotta think
when you you know you you're playing behind Kobe Bryant,
Like you know what I'm saying, I had to play
a role. I had to do what I had to
do for the team to win, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
I had Like it's that, that's just how it goes
in Phoenix.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
It was it was a little bit different because it
was it was more it was more open, like you
know what I'm saying as far like go out there
and and and showcase my talents, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
And I was doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
But at the same time it was I don't know,
it was just it's just certain things that happened like
that that they didn't want to win, right, No, I
play yeah, yeah, I was just waiting not play with yeah,
play with Yeah. He wanted to shoot the ball to it.

(01:06:56):
But just funny, he's super cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
He let you got loose though.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Yeah, but it's it's just the priorities of the team
at the time, you know what I'm saying. But I
was definitely I was definitely hooping man.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
Like I was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I was out there doing my thing and it was
fucking with you too. So you signed a two year deal?
What made you want to come back?

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
So it was just a year.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
It was just a business of it, just the business
of it. You know what I'm saying. I'm learning the
business like I might. I might as well try to
stick it out, you know what I'm saying, might as
well try to stick it out and and go out there.
Because my work at it never it never stopped. It
never stopped, you know what I'm saying, Like my work
had it never stopped. I was always still in the gym.
And then like the last even even with like the
last three teams, I went to it just it was

(01:07:44):
like I'm like, is we playing basketball or what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
What is it about? With out shot and shot out?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
The NBA gave me plenty, plenty of teams, you know
what I'm saying, Like handle my business out well right
to the big city. You played for the biggest franchises
into games together.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
So I definitely did. I wish I could have did
more as far as like just my like mental health
is real though, Like you know what I'm saying, mental
health is real. Like it was just me like just
like I say, when that did something to my soul
as far as like going from a winning to a
team that didn't want to you know what I'm saying,
that didn't want to win.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
That did something to me as far as basketball go.
You know what I'm saying, But.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
I wish I'd have just produced more in the last
you know, three teams or whatever the case is. But
it's just you know, like I said, shout out to
the NBA for and those teams even believing in me
to bring me in and like, you know what I'm saying,
give me an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Playing it in the league and being from Chicago, you know,
obviously we got good history. Like how did it feel
even being able to put on the Chicago Bulls?

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
And I was excited. You know what I'm saying. I was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I was out every night, I was out every single night.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
I was enjoying. I was enjoyed what I did. I
did a ship, you know what I'm saying. Obviously Michael
Jordan watching the Bulls being from there, like seeing everything
that you know what I mean that that go on.
I appreciate it, you know what I'm saying. It was
it was definitely honor for me for Shure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Well, that was sweet. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
At that point in your career, it's pretty much what
we call journey man at that time, you know what
I'm You obviously went back to the G League and
they talk to us about that experience, having a reputation
of playing in the league and then being able having
to go back to you know, to the D League
and try to show your worth to the league where

(01:09:35):
you know you worried.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Yet like I just I always had him entality. I
never I never looked at it like that, you know
what I'm saying. It's just like it was, It's okay,
it's something it's something that I ain't doing like on
a big level that keep you know what I'm saying,
having to see me. So I just had to figure
that out, you know what I'm saying. That's why I
learned role. You gotta learn you gotta play a role.
Like yeah, even though I'm though I'm man on all

(01:09:59):
these other teams I'm killing, I'm like, shit, this is
a lot of the more for us up here, that
for who too, you know what I'm saying. So I
had to like, Okay, this is what I gotta do
for the team to win. That's what I'm doing for
the team to win. The defense. If I gotta play defense,
I'm playing. If I need to put the ball in
the basket and put the ball in the bask whatever,
whatever I need to do, I'm gonna do what I
you know what I'm saying, need to and that and
that that that became our mentality.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
And that was the difference. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
I always everybody the man coming from when they from,
you know what I'm saying. But when you still when
you get to the level where everybody been on that,
it's like okay now and it's it's a little bit
more structured, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Respect to the vets. You gotta have good vets. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
People that's gonna lead you and steal you the right way.
But down yeah, real, no no joke, you know what
I mean. So I just I just I found my
niche as far as like doing whatever it takes for
me to you know what I'm saying stay in the
league and and win for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I just always wanted to know, like when when you
look back on your career, like, do you see any
anything you probably would have changed as as you get
into this lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Yeah, I gotta stayed to stay more focused after like
I gotta say, from going like going from winning to lose.
That that that did something to me for real, for real,
Like you know what I mean, don't and it started
playing with my my psyche a little bit, you know
what I'm saying. But I just I just wish I
had have stayed a little bit more focused on that
and just networked a little bit more, you know what

(01:11:23):
I'm saying. How my people tap in a little bit more,
you know what I'm saying, in different cities and stuff
like that, just you know what I mean, just to
just you know what I'm saying, keep that charateie going,
you know what I mean. It's like as much as
you try to run from your past, you still are
who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
That I wish, you know what I mean, networked a
little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
When when did you know it was trying to walk away?
I just I I never feel like it's time to
walk away. You know what I'm saying. You know, everybody, you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Know, to start her, you gotta gotta sit around. Yeah,
and you know it's ten minutes playing twenty year old.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
We all had a moment. I don't know, I just
I just you just you just know, you know it,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
It wasn't just like no, I'm epiphany or it was
just it's just like man, you know, but I always
I do wish that I would I gain more to
the game, you know what I'm saying. Like I definitely
wish I would have gained more to to to the
game of basketball as far as like you know, like
I say, like I said, they had did something to me.

(01:12:34):
But I just I wish I had stay a little
bit more focused on basketball. I could have I could
have made something happen in New York. I could have
made something happen, you know what I'm saying. Santonio could
have made something happen in Miami. Like, but it's just
it was just I was, I was, I was, I
was in limbo a little bit about what the game
was really about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
You know what I'm saying, I mean to your to
be fairness to you too.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
You like bro say, you come to champions come that pedigree,
you know for sure early part of your career, you
know what I mean, Like me, I didn't go to
the playoffs too. He came like you know, he already
had one championship. So when you do something early, you
do it later. I mean that's a big part of
you for sure too, because you learn how to win early. Yeah, definitely,

(01:13:17):
Hey as been you talked to something like I ain't
about something was I ain't and then it didn't registered
to me all the way, but in a good way,
because I think our fans need to hit this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
You talked something about, uh, mental health. It's real.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Can you elaborate and tell us how you got through it?
And those situations aren't even now? Man, you know my faith,
you know what I'm saying. I'm a real spiritual person.
I'm a dream I get you know what I mean,
I kind of get get get get led through.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Certain stuff that I'm dealing with, what I got to
deal with. But it's it just again just like going
back to that stand center stand, you know what I mean,
I didn't. I didn't been through I'd have been through
so much, you know what I mean, I hadn't been
through stuff that people probably wouldn't even wouldn't even believe,
you know what I'm saying. But at the same time,
I just try to stay centered. I try to stay balanced,

(01:14:11):
I try to stay focused. I try to stay locked
in as much as possible, you know what I mean?
To what what it is that I'm trying to accomplish,
Like you know the house you now like it ain't
it ain't it ain't necessarily basketball, but no more.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
But how do I survive? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
That that's that network, and that's that, you know what
I'm saying, invested in the right stuff, That's that doing
your research on what you want to invest in. That's that,
you know what I mean. It's the It's it's the
real world and having the right people around you as well.
Like if you ain't got the right people around you,
instantly gonna you know what I mean, You're gonna fall. Yeah,
you know what I mean. They ain't got the same goals,
they ain't aligned with what you got going on. You
gotta gotta make sure you you know all everything is

(01:14:45):
in order, and don't be afraid to to to do
what you need to do for yourself, because if you
ain't good, ain't nobody else you know what I'm saying,
ain't nobody else around you're gonna be good. So you
gotta make sure you got that right. You know, that's
that right support team, and you know, do right b
our people. You know what I mean, something back, you
stay you stay active in the community. Can you can
you let us know what a lot of the things

(01:15:07):
you're doing now in the community.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Yeah, right now.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Just I mean, it's it's like it's a school that's
in uh that's in that's in Georgia, where like do
house like eleven eleven kids and pay for all their.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Tuition and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
I'm just just doing stuff like that whatever whatever it is,
because I know these little kids is important, you know
what I mean. And it's you know what they say,
the children our future, you know what I'm We got
we gotta we gotta teach them and lead them the
right way, you know what I mean. And that's always
good to reach back and I'm I'm I'm a number
of those number of those missions right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yea being active in the community. I ain't gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
I definitely applaud that, man, because uh I do I do,
like I said, I do some. I do stuff with
Joe King Noor and Kobe Wills in one City.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
I'm trying to bring our city together more so on
just all the senseless violence that's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Uh it's it's it's an organization.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Like I say, one city, we would love for you
to come support man, face, let me know where we
we we were targeting, catch us at risk or you
know I'm talking in the chance to get shot or
shooting somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
You know what I mean. We need to get people
get like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
We need to people where they yet and not only
meet nowhere yet, but it'll be huge. It'll be elevate
some of these guys. And just show your face, bro,
come come and just let them know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Man. It's another it's another direction what we aiming at.

Speaker 6 (01:16:30):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
I love for you that because I hear you a
lot in the I had to get that little tag.
Other than that, I don't want to I don't want
to keep you too long, but I definitely had this
question for you. A lot of my guests, get on here, man,
and you know they they fumble up.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
You know, we had a couple of you know, so
I just want to know, Uh, what's your top five,
your mount Rushmore in five?

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Uh Chicago. I just need to hear.

Speaker 7 (01:16:58):
I just need no position this. I just needed God,
it could be five bigs. Yeah, I just need I
just needs And I don't want to be sitting right
here putting no prins.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
On you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
So all right, Oh so some of the guys that
Dan that I looked up to the city, bro the
city like this, I'm hurting anything ebody.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Man, I'm going Isaiah Thomas get the one shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
I'm going, that's tough. I'm going, Tim Hardaway.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Tim Holloway, shout out Killer Cross High School. That's tough.
I'm going.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
And I seen him, Man, that's tough. A lot of
that super that he trust me as me. We had
a lot of people stumble up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
On you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Yeah you put this r okay. Also he did Okay,
the error okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Whoever you whoever you feel it's rocked the city.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot of Man,
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say, I
mar Sy commercial, great commercial. Look it up, man, I
got one more, right, you got.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Look look look you got holl theway saw Yeah, So
I got no, no, I got. It's only four people
in USh one thought. Okay, okay, we're saying Rushmore with
the fat Okay man, that's tough. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
I ain't gonna lie. That's like one of the toughest
questions after Creer. We have so many people. I'm gonna
use some some names for the category.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Alright, bet we got twine Walker, right, we got Juwan Howard,
we got Rich, I got it, I got Mike, Yeah,
got the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Way I got.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I'll go the day I'm going, the way that I'm going,
and that and that's that's the other.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
There you go. What's my last d rolls the wade?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
I said Isaiah Thomas, I said Tim Hardaway and Barty s.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I covered the whole He covered the whole time, the
whole time. A lot of dogs coming speaking of was
tall start players. Oh, they got real quick. This this
is harder than the what I ain't prepared myself.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Yeah, and my on the list, I only stay forgot
them for six months. So we gotta be the fun
before I went back to the I love Michigan State.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Straight out of high school. I had to escalate ready
for straight back to me on the block, Boots. That's funny.

(01:20:51):
That's but you got some you got some some guys.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Now, I gotta I gotta, I gotta go Magic Johnson.
That's a perfect Oh. And then just like when I
when I like see talking about the one by like
like just me playing like man.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Clee Brout and who else made the impact? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Like like that definitely more, definitely got to go more
with Peterson. They y'all like, it's it's crazy. There's so
many names like you. I'm trying to you know what
I mean, trying to trying to room me through all
of them. But it's it's it's been. It's man, There's
been a lot of guys that then that then came
through and you know what I'm saying, made up made
a great impact.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Man. So I don't know they, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
That's the mud. Yeah that's tough. But I appreciate y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
Having appreciate you bro for real, for real, give you
your flowers, man, champion. Appreciate it coming out of the
coming after out the mud circumstances to get to where
you're at and making the impact, being a champion, be
one of the best to ever do, and still leave
your legacy on the game.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, appreciate that after month doing
doing do

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
You know it definitely wasn't no pri Definitely