September 30, 2023 • 24 mins
OUTWEIGH: In part 2 of this series, Leanne is back with guest Sarai White as they dive into the foundational beliefs that undermine our relationship with fashion (and how these beliefs can be reshaped to foster self-love and confidence).
They challenge the common notion that you need to meet certain standards or goals before you 'deserve' to look and feel great in your clothes and other myths and common beliefs that come up for women as they are exploring this subject. More importantly they invite you into the powerful transformation that occurs when you recognize your worth right now (not “when you get there” or reach a certain goal)...and embrace fashion through THOSE eyes.
They highlight the importance of living in the present moment, reminding you that the most special occasion is today. Waiting for some future "when" can hinder your journey towards self-love, and they explore how investing a little extra time in choosing and planning your outfits can make a world of difference in how you feel about yourself NOW.
Lastly, they celebrate the individuality of fashion. It's about defining your own style, not adhering to trends or others' expectations. Your fashion choices should be a reflection of your unique essence, and fashion is (and can be!) a potent tool for nurturing self-love and confidence.
HOST: Leanne Ellington // @leanneellington // StresslessEating.com
To learn more about re-wiring your brain to heal from the all-or-nothing diet mentality for good....but WITHOUT restricting yourself, punishing your body, (and definitely WITHOUT ever having to use words like macros, low-carb, or calorie burn) check out Leanne's FREE Stressless Eating Webinar @ www.StresslessEating.com
GUEST: Sarai White // @GetFitWithSarai
https://www.thestyledmagnolia.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'll be out wait everything that I'm made done, won't
spend my life trying to change.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm learning love who I am, A young strong I
feel free.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I know every part of me.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And that will always out way if.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You feel it. But she'll some love to the mood.
Why get there? Say go day Ana?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Did you? And die out way?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Happy Saturday, out Weigh. We are back for part.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Two of our series Beyond the Mirror, Fashion's role in
self love and body image. We're back with our amazing
Sarah White.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hello SARAHI, Hello Lianne. So glad to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes, yeah, So last week we really just talked about
this idea of embracing the concept of Okay, how can
fashion be this tool that I used to really walk
towards myself and connect with myself and heal my relationship
with my body, heal my relationship with myself. And you know,
a lot of people that are listening to this, it's
probably a welcome departure from thinking about food.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You know, like you want to think about food lesson.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It's like this is a great way to heal that
has nothing to do with food.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But again, just meeting you all where you are.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I know for me sometimes I would listen to podcasts
or read books and I'm like, great, that sounds great
in theory, but like, no, I'm different, or I have
this in my way or this is my barrier. So
I wanted to just meet you all where you are.
And Sarah is you know, really more of an expert
in this in terms of really, you know, what are
the beliefs that are going to get in the way
of you embracing what we talked about last week and
(01:41):
then implementing what we're going to share next week, which is,
you know, really how to bring this to life in.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Your own fashion experiment.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So the first belief that comes up is, and we're
going to just dive right in, is this idea of like, well,
I don't feel worthy of investing time, energy, money on
myself right now because I air quotes look the way
I do. Or I haven't reached my goals yet or
fill in the blank, like whatever you are using to
(02:10):
kind of disqualify yourself from feeling worthy of this right now.
So what would you say if somebody's like, yeah, I
haven't earned it, I don't deserve it.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, I think one of the one of the
most lowest hanging things that we could say, and we
say this but a lot of things is would you
say that to your best friend? Would you say that
to your daughter? You know, if your if your daughter
was coming to you saying that she wanted to make
a change to her physique in some way, so she
wasn't you know, don't buy me any clothes until I
get there. I mean you all you see in your child,
(02:41):
you know, daughter or a son, is their beauty and
you would be like, of course, of course I'm going
to go buy you something, like you deserve it, and
so you know, think about someone pouring that in and
on to you. You know, you are deserving of that
right now. And this kind of punishment driven mentality that
a lot of us have, like I don't deserve it,
(03:02):
I haven't earned it, is what really keeps us stuck.
You know, something that I think about when I'm working,
when I was really working with clients is the biggest
changes that we make in our lives, whatever it is,
whether it's fitness or social, environmental, it's because of love.
Like we love animals, so we want to help this
animal organization we are really concerned about our beautiful earth,
(03:24):
and so we want to do things for that. It's
from love, it's not from hate, you know. And so
the same things come with the changes from our own body.
When we are constantly attacking ourselves and just feeling like
I don't deserve this, this is I'm not worthy that.
That doesn't motivate us, That doesn't motivate us the way
that we think it is. But when we come from
our own choices about whether we're going to invest in
(03:45):
ourselves and spend on ourselves from a place of love,
that is what really motivates us and has a big impact.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And even just going with that metaphor, like if a
child is growing and you know, a little girl just
through through growing outgrows her size, the mom's not gonna
be like, no, you can't have the next size up
because you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Didn't earn it and you didn't eat your vegetables or whatever.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's not like it's a totally it's the wrong I
want to say, I don't mean wrong as in I'm
shaming you for it, but it's a it's a non
truthful paradigm to look at it through that that you're
feeling beautiful is something that you need to earn or deserve,
or the flip side of it is that it's something
to be used as a punishment against yourself. So we're
(04:27):
just inviting you, like totally rewrite that script and reframe
that because it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
True exactly, and it's it's something that really holds a
lot of women.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Back absolutely absolutely good stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So the next one is this idea that I need
to fit the clothing that's there rather than have the
clothing fit me. So for example, you know, we might think, oh,
all the cute things out there, like they're not going
to be in my size, or you know, that style
wouldn't look good on my body type or whatever it is.
So we're thinking that we have to fit in some
(04:58):
sort of box in order to you find our own
version of beauty when it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Comes to fashion.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So what's the downside of that belief for what's true
about it and how can we actually flip that to
make strides towards healing our relationship with our bodies.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So, you know, I believe that we have a lot
of beliefs around clothing and we feel like we should
whatever is on trend and on offer, that's what we're
supposed to look good in. You know, we have to
keep in mind, especially the more I dive into the
fashion industry and the mainstream fashion industry, is that they
are just catering to the status quo look for the
(05:33):
most part. So it's just you know, a certain body type,
that's what they're making close for. The size range is
this very limited size range, and so the chances that
we're actually gonna fit into that that mannequin look and
feel our best, it's pretty small. So it's not a
you problem. It is a problem with the way that
(05:54):
fashion is designed and put out there for us for
the most part. So it does take a little bit
of work, but there is a style and a look
that is right for you, but it may not be
the exact version that you see in a magazine or
on annequin.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Absolutely, and just to stack on what you said, because
it's so important, you know, first and foremost, it's this realizing, no,
there's nothing wrong with you, because you might not necessarily
feel like your body shape fits the body shape that
is air quotes on trend, right, So that's the number one.
There is nothing wrong with you. You didn't do anything wrong,
You're not broken. It's an industry, it's a business, right.
(06:31):
But what I'm hearing is this is such a beautiful
opportunity for you to claim your stake in the ground
and go discover what is your sense of style? Right,
Like I sometimes wear the funkiest things and I'll get
compliments on it, and some people say to me, like,
I would never wear that, but you could pull it off,
you know what I mean, And I'm like, thanks.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I embrace it, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But former versions of myself would have never given myself
permission to do that, because I had to go kind
of find my fashion voice. And the way that I
did that was by embracing the body that I have.
And I've been all over the map in you know,
body size and shape and like gene sizes and all
the things, and it's one of those things where they
go hand in hand. Ladies, if you are listening to this,
(07:11):
and we I think we have like three gentlemen that
listen to this, but anybody who's listening to this, you know,
first and foremost it is a belief right if you
give yourself permission to go discover what you're it's almost
like redefining your identity in a way, like you can
completely shape who you want to be and how you
want to feel around fashion and choose to be eccentric.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It's a way to express yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
To be creative, and you're also going to box yourself
in if you're trying to fit in with the sizes
of the trends that are air quotes mainstream, you know.
So I think that's a big belief that it's important
to kind of shine the light on yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And you know, I think when you were saying that
about you know, wearing something that other people are like, wow,
I could never A lot of us just want to shrink.
We don't we don't want eyes on us, And like
maybe kind of doing some evaluating on where that's coming from,
Like why do you not want to, you know, ever
stand down, not that you have to wear something funky
in particular, but you know, being able to embrace like
what do you actually like? And so that is something
(08:07):
you know, when I'm working with clients and happen to
be talking about fashion and they're like, oh, I can
only wear this, this is what I need to wear.
But I'm like, what do you like? Because that is relotely,
you know, and then start from there and give yourself
permission to explore that and find what works for you
within that realm. Instead of saying, I'm only supposed to
be wearing black, I you know, I shouldn't be wearing
(08:29):
anything shorter, my stomach shouldn't be showing or whatever, like,
go out and embrace what you.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Like absolutely, And what you just mentioned were a bunch
of beliefs. I shouldn't, I'm not supposed to, I can't.
I'm you know, not allowed to. It's just literally beliefs
in your brain. And I know for me, I was
the person that I was, like, I air quotes can't
show my arm. So my black cart again, it was
either on me or it was tied around my waist
even in the middle of the summer when it was
one hundred degrees because I was so sub conscious.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was miserable.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But I never gave myself permission to just go and
experience what I wanted to wear, rather than putting all
of these rules upon myself about what I thought like
was appropriate for my air quotes body type. And again,
these are all the language that we're using, but we
just want to shine the light on these are beliefs,
and you get to choose your beliefs.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, and I think too, you know, when I'm out
and about in the world, and I think a lot
of people listening can reflect on this. When you see someone,
you're not thinking, oh my goodness, why would they wear that?
Like what's going on? Most of the time you're paying
either zero attention. You're just kind of like, Okay, there's
a person over there, whatever, or you're thinking, oh, that
looks great, or that looks really cute, or I think
(09:33):
I could wear that too, or whatever. But when we
think of ourselves wearing something that maybe we secretly just
really want to wear, but we think we're not allowed
to wear for whatever, you know, based on whatever belief
we think everyone's going to be looking at us being like,
oh my goodness, I cannot believe she left the house
in that. And it's just not the case because you
don't do it to other people.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So why do you think for sure?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And here's the thing, if we are doing it to
other people, it's really a reflection of what we're saying
to ourselves, right, But you're right, most people are so
focused on themselves and what if we even flip that
and take that. I'm going to like put a little
cherry on top of that because it just it reminded me,
you know, one time when I was in the midst
of my own like fashion experiment. It started with the
red lipstick experiment, which I mentioned briefly last episode. But
(10:15):
I went to this event with my family and I
was wearing red lipstick and I was wearing a cute outfit.
And we got there and this is way before I
met the man that I'm about to marry. But my
mom was like, oh, you look so pretty, and I
was like, thanks, Mom. I put on it's red lipstick,
like it was like a badge of honor for me,
you know. And she goes, yeah, to bed, there's not
any eligible bachelor's here to wear it for or something
(10:37):
like that. And I looked at her and I said, Mom,
I'm wearing this for me, like I wore all of
this for me, you know. And I remember that that
was such a pivotal moment because when I started doing
it as a gift to myself and taking out third
party of perceptions. So I'm just inviting anyone listening, like,
if you do have those third party awareness goggles, and
(10:58):
we all have them, myself included. Right, what if you
gave yourself permission to do this for you and not
have it be about pleasing somebody else or fitting in
with somebody else's viewpoint. What if you started and redefine
what that is for you, but do this for you?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah? Absolutely, And really the importance that we give on
other people's opinions of ourselves is far greater than it
needs to be. Absolutely no, because we, like you said,
a lot of it is our own kind of projection
of how we're thinking and how we're feeling. If we
do have those thoughts about other people. But even still
in that instance, think about when you leave the store
(11:34):
where you saw the person, are you thinking about it
all the way on the way home. No, Like, even
if you did have kind of like a little you know,
Caddie thought about somebody, you forgot about it when you
walked out the store. But we let other people's ideas
just totally shape our whole personality almost we know or
we're just not going to shine and be ourselves because
of what we possibly worry about someone thinking about is
(11:55):
for ten seconds that we're never going to know about anyways,
you know, and so to be able to give that
gift to yourself to walk around in the world you
feeling happy when you catch a glimpse of yourself in
the mirror, going like that outfit is cute or I
look really good. That's going to stay with you for
the whole day, versus something that you don't even know
about that lasted for ten seconds, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So true, so true.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And that whole third party goggle perception of other people
subject is a whole We could do an episode all
that alone. Yeah, yeah, Okay, We've got two more big
beliefs that I want to address.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
The first one is like, I don't have time money
fill in the blank to do this, you know, fill
and fill the blank with your own What would you
say to that?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
As far as time goes, I mean, just having this
conversation to Davi with Owen. It takes the same amount
of time to put on like cute pair of leggings
or joggers that it does put on those frumpy spots
that you picked up off the floor.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, tick thing.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You gotta put one leg in and then the other
leg in and yeah, the same amount of time. So
the time comes from the initial kind of figuring out
what works for you. You do have to invest some
time in it and that in but once you create
that wardrobe for yourself, it takes just as much time
to get dressed up and look well. So we can't
say time is an issue because if you're not walking
around naked, you're getting dressed already.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, you're doing it already.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, so you can put on something else that's cute.
And then as far as money, I mean, obviously that
is you know, something that you that all of us
have to deal with. We have like a budget for
clothing or whatever. But still you are worth spending your
funds on and buying things for yourself that look good.
And it doesn't have to be expensive things. It doesn't
have to be that you have to have designer things
all the time. But you're you're worth you know, spending
(13:37):
whatever it needs to be to look your best, to
fill your best and that also fits in your boddy.
There's a lot of options out there for that now.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And also just like the mental real estate that you're
taking right now, maybe shaming yourself or you know, complaining
about how you feel in the mirror, you know, think
about the opportunity cost as well as we're talking about
the time conversation, right how much time is being spent
complain or thinking about how you're looking and not feeling
your best. Like that's an investment of time right now
(14:04):
too that you could get back from this. And then
you know, nowadays there are so many affordable fashion options
out there, and it's also size inclusive too, And honestly,
at they you know, thrift shops they call them op
shops in Australia and the UK, like there.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Is so much amazing stuff secondhand.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Too, you know, yeah, and I mean there's so many
different options. And then also I mean I talk about
this with my clients too, Like if you add up
the amount that you might be spending on Starbucks or
drive throughs or you know, comfort foods or whatever, it
is like a lot of times we're spending money as
a coping mechanism for not feeling our best. And like, honestly,
part of it is like get that data for yourself,
(14:42):
you know, see how much you're spending even like, you know,
thirty dollars nowadays you could go buy a pair of
pants and a top, And I know that sounds crazy
to some people but like go try it that it's
almost like a double dog dare of like see how
little you can spend going and getting fashion forward and
just have fun with it. But again understandably, so it's
not feasible for everyone. We're not talking about going and
spending you know, to the nines, but there's something that
(15:04):
like you know that there's a trade off in a way,
and but you also don't have to buy into the
myth that you need a ton of money to go
find things that fit you and flatter your figure and
all that, which we'll talk about the actual how to
is in the next episode. But part of it is
getting past that belief that like I don't have time,
I can't afford it all the things.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, definitely, I mean, and it's just I think that's
you know, I don't want to say cop out, but
that's just a way that we can avoid the situation,
Oh I can't afford it. Oh I don't have time.
But like you said, we spend so much money on
We spend a certain amount of money whatever, whether it's
a lot of money or a little bit of money
on things that we probably could do without. Or I
remember going shopping, you know, back in the day when
(15:41):
I was still in a not great relationship with my
body and fashion and just being like this is horrible,
nothing worked. I'm going to go buy, like get a
big ole whatever to eat, Like I would just spend
money on something else because I felt like there wasn't
clothing for me, And totally often enough, we probably you know,
(16:01):
could take that money and, like you said, go buy
yourself a nice fit, nice well fitting pair of trousers
or get them tailored, which is something that we can
talk about in the next episode. But you know, there
are funds there, and there are lots of different resources
to make those funds work for you to dress yourself
in a way that makes.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You feel it absolutely and just to stack on that.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I know, when I would had a lesser relationship with
my body, do you know how much money I would
go spend on earrings and headbands and belts and stuff
like that that like because I was like, oh, that
fits me no matter what size I'm at.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So part of it too is like.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, there's there's always a way for when you're committed.
And then the big one that I really want to
talk about is this idea of okay, if I really
embrace this idea of you know, making friends with fashion
and dressing for my body type. Does that mean that
I've like given up on my goal?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know, some people.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Think like, Okay, if I am does this mean I'm settling?
Does this mean I'm giving in if I go buy
new clothes or a bigger size before I've reached my
air quotes goal that I set out for me.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
That's a big one.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Talk to us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, and I'm sure in your fitness career you heard
that a lot. Oh yeah, totally hear that. And there's,
like I said, there's this belief that if you you know,
cave in and you buy something for yourself, that you
are settling. Meanwhile, you're walking around miserable and you know,
not having very positive things to say about yourself because
(17:30):
when you look in the mirror, you're not liking what
you see. But it's not even just about your body.
It's about the fact that you aren't showing your self love.
And so when you look at yourself and you're feeling
really frumpy, you're not as motivated. You know, when when
something that an activity or an action or a habit
that maybe doesn't align with your goals, is presented in
front of you, you're more likely to go that route
(17:51):
because you're just like, eh, you know, what does it matter?
You know. But I have found working with clients, you know,
especially like after we would do those photo shoots and
the would get all dressed and they'd have these really
cute outfits, they were more motivated to continue to make
whatever changes that, you know, healthy changes that they wanted
to make for themselves. So it's the exact opposite we
talked about. It was it the last episode we talked
about like doing things out of love. So when you
(18:14):
have that showing yourself that love it, it's more motivating
and not less. I've never worked with anyone that bought
themselves a new outfit and then we're like, okay, I'm done,
never mind, I'm just going to stop this now, right,
everyone more motivated to keep going and keep continuing. So,
you know, give it a shot. If you don't believe it,
if you're like no, no, give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And you know, one of the things that comes up
when I talk about acceptance with my clients is there's
a difference between accepting where you are and accepting the data,
like accepting the body that you have right now, or
accepting the size or the shape that you're in right now,
right and accepting it without shame, without blame, without condemnation,
just again making peace that this is where I am
(18:54):
and I'm not going to shame it. So that's one
version of acceptance, but people confuse it with accept it
as the end and resigning to it. And so what
I say to that is like, there's a different So yes,
except where you are without the shame, without the blame,
all of that, But you also are allowed to say
I no longer want to accept certain ways of being
in my life, and there's the areas I want to
go improve and I want to up level and accepting
(19:17):
does not mean resigning to it, like you're again, two
things can be true at the same time. You can
accept your body and embrace your curves and dress for
your body type and also have goals of being a healthier,
happier version of yourself. So it doesn't have to mean
that you're like resigning to something being the way it
is forever.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
But while you're here, like, what what's your alternative? You know,
shaming yourself future pacing, having anxiety looking at the past.
Either way, you're not in the present. This is a
way to embrace the present and practice that self acceptance
right now, independent of the size, the shape, the calorie count,
the bank balance, whatever it is, and practice like really
showing yourself this.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
There's so many different ways to show your self love,
but this is one way to really show yourself love
and take stick towards acceptance and step takes, take steps
towards really embracing all of who you are and finding
a new beauty in who you are.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, I means really, if you are not doing that,
it's not going to happen because you magically hit whatever
size is your goal or whatever number on the scale.
And so that really is the work that has to
happen alongside with whatever else you're doing, because you know,
take it from people who have been there and done that.
I can guarantee you and I hit you know, a
(20:30):
certain body type. The light didn't just switch on where
I was just like now I feel amazing and confident.
If anything, I had more things to find about myself
that well now I'm here. But how come this did
and change? And how come that's not any different? And
so it wasn't until I went back and looked and
just really began to just be like, hey, this is
where I am. Embrace this as it is right now
that I was able to make really impactful changes.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, And honestly, this can be such a beautiful experiment.
This can be such a beautiful way to just like
start over, like go meet your body again.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And you know, part of what we.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Didn't even talk about this, this kind of comes with
the understanding of like you're gonna be looking at yourself
in the mirror, right and that might be new to
some of you, Like this is an opportunity to go
meet yourself again and to go just be comfort Like,
you know, we talked about this actually in an episode
with Amy, the difference between I hate my body to no,
I love my body. And it's like way too big
of a jump for some people, But you can go
(21:25):
from I hate my body to which I hate to
say it, but a lot of women say those words
hate when it comes to their body. So I'm just
you know, kind of ab limming right now. But you know,
going from I hate my body to you know what,
I don't have to like everything about my body. But
this is my body right now, and I refuse to
be a victim to it, and I'm gonna learn to
accept it because arguing with reality, I just create my suffering.
(21:45):
So there's so going from like air quotes hate to
just acceptance is a very easy first step rather than
going to like I love my body. Oh my gosh,
you know, because it's a really big it's a big jump.
So that being said, doing this process, the experimentation like
who you will become in the process of it. You're
going to have to pass through getting to know your
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body and discovering your body, and it might bring up
some stuff for you, but it's such a powerful experiment.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And you know, and I think that when we avoid
looking at ourselves in the mirror when you were talking
about it, I was thinking about when we avoid looking
ourselves in the mirror, we dread it every time, so
we avoid it, and then when we look, all we
see is the negative and then we're just like, oh gosh,
I don't want to look at that. But I found
through it just another experiment. Just the more you look
at yourself in the mirror, you actually start to find
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things that you do really like, and you'll think to yourself.
Did that change? Has this changed? But really it was
the same. You just never were able to appreciate it
before because you were so seldom really evaluating yourself and
you would just see the negative things. And then when
you can start to see the beauty in yourself, then
that is another thing that makes the process more enjoyable,
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because you want to enjoy the process along the way.
So while you're making whatever changes you want to make,
you might as well also look in the mirror and
be really happy with what you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Absolutely, and it's really the intent that shapes the content.
Like the content is, yeah, we're inviting you to go
on a fashion experiment to make over with your body.
But that's why we call this series Beyond the Mirror,
like how fashion can play a role in healing your
relationship with yourself and healing your relationship with your body.
So next episode, part three of this, we're going to
talk about some how tos. What does this look like
practically if you want to go on an experiment, What
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are some things to keep in mind as you're kind
of getting to know your body again, learning what your
new sense of fashion is really using this to almost
build this new identity within your body. So thank you
so much for being here, and we're excited to dive
into the how tos.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Where can people find you in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
They can find my designs and patterns at the Stylemagnolia
dot com and they can find me personally on Instagram
at get Fit with Sarah and it's fitness in all
the areas, fashion, healthy mindset, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Love it awesome, awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
If you miss last week's definitely check out where she
shared her journey from fitness to fashion and how this
all came to be and all the winding roads that
she passed through.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So thank you again so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
We will be back next time with part three of
this series.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So bye for now.
I won't let my body.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'll be out wait everything that I'm made done, won't
spend my life trying to change.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm learning love who I am, A young strong I
feel free.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I know every part of me.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And that will always out way if.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You feel it. But she'll some love to the mood.
Why get there? Say go day Ana?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Did you? And die out way?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Happy Saturday, out Weigh. We are back for part.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Two of our series Beyond the Mirror, Fashion's role in
self love and body image. We're back with our amazing
Sarah White.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hello SARAHI, Hello Lianne. So glad to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes, yeah, So last week we really just talked about
this idea of embracing the concept of Okay, how can
fashion be this tool that I used to really walk
towards myself and connect with myself and heal my relationship
with my body, heal my relationship with myself. And you know,
a lot of people that are listening to this, it's
probably a welcome departure from thinking about food.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You know, like you want to think about food lesson.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It's like this is a great way to heal that
has nothing to do with food.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But again, just meeting you all where you are.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I know for me sometimes I would listen to podcasts
or read books and I'm like, great, that sounds great
in theory, but like, no, I'm different, or I have
this in my way or this is my barrier. So
I wanted to just meet you all where you are.
And Sarah is you know, really more of an expert
in this in terms of really, you know, what are
the beliefs that are going to get in the way
of you embracing what we talked about last week and
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then implementing what we're going to share next week, which is,
you know, really how to bring this to life in.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Your own fashion experiment.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So the first belief that comes up is, and we're
going to just dive right in, is this idea of like, well,
I don't feel worthy of investing time, energy, money on
myself right now because I air quotes look the way
I do. Or I haven't reached my goals yet or
fill in the blank, like whatever you are using to
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kind of disqualify yourself from feeling worthy of this right now.
So what would you say if somebody's like, yeah, I
haven't earned it, I don't deserve it.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, I think one of the one of the
most lowest hanging things that we could say, and we
say this but a lot of things is would you
say that to your best friend? Would you say that
to your daughter? You know, if your if your daughter
was coming to you saying that she wanted to make
a change to her physique in some way, so she
wasn't you know, don't buy me any clothes until I
get there. I mean you all you see in your child,
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you know, daughter or a son, is their beauty and
you would be like, of course, of course I'm going
to go buy you something, like you deserve it, and
so you know, think about someone pouring that in and
on to you. You know, you are deserving of that
right now. And this kind of punishment driven mentality that
a lot of us have, like I don't deserve it,
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I haven't earned it, is what really keeps us stuck.
You know, something that I think about when I'm working,
when I was really working with clients is the biggest
changes that we make in our lives, whatever it is,
whether it's fitness or social, environmental, it's because of love.
Like we love animals, so we want to help this
animal organization we are really concerned about our beautiful earth,
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and so we want to do things for that. It's
from love, it's not from hate, you know. And so
the same things come with the changes from our own body.
When we are constantly attacking ourselves and just feeling like
I don't deserve this, this is I'm not worthy that.
That doesn't motivate us, That doesn't motivate us the way
that we think it is. But when we come from
our own choices about whether we're going to invest in
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ourselves and spend on ourselves from a place of love,
that is what really motivates us and has a big impact.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And even just going with that metaphor, like if a
child is growing and you know, a little girl just
through through growing outgrows her size, the mom's not gonna
be like, no, you can't have the next size up
because you.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Didn't earn it and you didn't eat your vegetables or whatever.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's not like it's a totally it's the wrong I
want to say, I don't mean wrong as in I'm
shaming you for it, but it's a it's a non
truthful paradigm to look at it through that that you're
feeling beautiful is something that you need to earn or deserve,
or the flip side of it is that it's something
to be used as a punishment against yourself. So we're
(04:27):
just inviting you, like totally rewrite that script and reframe
that because it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
True exactly, and it's it's something that really holds a
lot of women.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Back absolutely absolutely good stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So the next one is this idea that I need
to fit the clothing that's there rather than have the
clothing fit me. So for example, you know, we might think, oh,
all the cute things out there, like they're not going
to be in my size, or you know, that style
wouldn't look good on my body type or whatever it is.
So we're thinking that we have to fit in some
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sort of box in order to you find our own
version of beauty when it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Comes to fashion.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So what's the downside of that belief for what's true
about it and how can we actually flip that to
make strides towards healing our relationship with our bodies.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So, you know, I believe that we have a lot
of beliefs around clothing and we feel like we should
whatever is on trend and on offer, that's what we're
supposed to look good in. You know, we have to
keep in mind, especially the more I dive into the
fashion industry and the mainstream fashion industry, is that they
are just catering to the status quo look for the
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most part. So it's just you know, a certain body type,
that's what they're making close for. The size range is
this very limited size range, and so the chances that
we're actually gonna fit into that that mannequin look and
feel our best, it's pretty small. So it's not a
you problem. It is a problem with the way that
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fashion is designed and put out there for us for
the most part. So it does take a little bit
of work, but there is a style and a look
that is right for you, but it may not be
the exact version that you see in a magazine or
on annequin.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Absolutely, and just to stack on what you said, because
it's so important, you know, first and foremost, it's this realizing, no,
there's nothing wrong with you, because you might not necessarily
feel like your body shape fits the body shape that
is air quotes on trend, right, So that's the number one.
There is nothing wrong with you. You didn't do anything wrong,
You're not broken. It's an industry, it's a business, right.
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But what I'm hearing is this is such a beautiful
opportunity for you to claim your stake in the ground
and go discover what is your sense of style? Right,
Like I sometimes wear the funkiest things and I'll get
compliments on it, and some people say to me, like,
I would never wear that, but you could pull it off,
you know what I mean, And I'm like, thanks.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I embrace it, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But former versions of myself would have never given myself
permission to do that, because I had to go kind
of find my fashion voice. And the way that I
did that was by embracing the body that I have.
And I've been all over the map in you know,
body size and shape and like gene sizes and all
the things, and it's one of those things where they
go hand in hand. Ladies, if you are listening to this,
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and we I think we have like three gentlemen that
listen to this, but anybody who's listening to this, you know,
first and foremost it is a belief right if you
give yourself permission to go discover what you're it's almost
like redefining your identity in a way, like you can
completely shape who you want to be and how you
want to feel around fashion and choose to be eccentric.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It's a way to express yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
To be creative, and you're also going to box yourself
in if you're trying to fit in with the sizes
of the trends that are air quotes mainstream, you know.
So I think that's a big belief that it's important
to kind of shine the light on yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
And you know, I think when you were saying that
about you know, wearing something that other people are like, wow,
I could never A lot of us just want to shrink.
We don't we don't want eyes on us, And like
maybe kind of doing some evaluating on where that's coming from,
Like why do you not want to, you know, ever
stand down, not that you have to wear something funky
in particular, but you know, being able to embrace like
what do you actually like? And so that is something
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you know, when I'm working with clients and happen to
be talking about fashion and they're like, oh, I can
only wear this, this is what I need to wear.
But I'm like, what do you like? Because that is relotely,
you know, and then start from there and give yourself
permission to explore that and find what works for you
within that realm. Instead of saying, I'm only supposed to
be wearing black, I you know, I shouldn't be wearing
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anything shorter, my stomach shouldn't be showing or whatever, like,
go out and embrace what you.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Like absolutely, And what you just mentioned were a bunch
of beliefs. I shouldn't, I'm not supposed to, I can't.
I'm you know, not allowed to. It's just literally beliefs
in your brain. And I know for me, I was
the person that I was, like, I air quotes can't
show my arm. So my black cart again, it was
either on me or it was tied around my waist
even in the middle of the summer when it was
one hundred degrees because I was so sub conscious.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was miserable.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But I never gave myself permission to just go and
experience what I wanted to wear, rather than putting all
of these rules upon myself about what I thought like
was appropriate for my air quotes body type. And again,
these are all the language that we're using, but we
just want to shine the light on these are beliefs,
and you get to choose your beliefs.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, and I think too, you know, when I'm out
and about in the world, and I think a lot
of people listening can reflect on this. When you see someone,
you're not thinking, oh my goodness, why would they wear that?
Like what's going on? Most of the time you're paying
either zero attention. You're just kind of like, Okay, there's
a person over there, whatever, or you're thinking, oh, that
looks great, or that looks really cute, or I think
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I could wear that too, or whatever. But when we
think of ourselves wearing something that maybe we secretly just
really want to wear, but we think we're not allowed
to wear for whatever, you know, based on whatever belief
we think everyone's going to be looking at us being like,
oh my goodness, I cannot believe she left the house
in that. And it's just not the case because you
don't do it to other people.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So why do you think for sure?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And here's the thing, if we are doing it to
other people, it's really a reflection of what we're saying
to ourselves, right, But you're right, most people are so
focused on themselves and what if we even flip that
and take that. I'm going to like put a little
cherry on top of that because it just it reminded me,
you know, one time when I was in the midst
of my own like fashion experiment. It started with the
red lipstick experiment, which I mentioned briefly last episode. But
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I went to this event with my family and I
was wearing red lipstick and I was wearing a cute outfit.
And we got there and this is way before I
met the man that I'm about to marry. But my
mom was like, oh, you look so pretty, and I
was like, thanks, Mom. I put on it's red lipstick,
like it was like a badge of honor for me,
you know. And she goes, yeah, to bed, there's not
any eligible bachelor's here to wear it for or something
(10:37):
like that. And I looked at her and I said, Mom,
I'm wearing this for me, like I wore all of
this for me, you know. And I remember that that
was such a pivotal moment because when I started doing
it as a gift to myself and taking out third
party of perceptions. So I'm just inviting anyone listening, like,
if you do have those third party awareness goggles, and
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we all have them, myself included. Right, what if you
gave yourself permission to do this for you and not
have it be about pleasing somebody else or fitting in
with somebody else's viewpoint. What if you started and redefine
what that is for you, but do this for you?
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah? Absolutely, And really the importance that we give on
other people's opinions of ourselves is far greater than it
needs to be. Absolutely no, because we, like you said,
a lot of it is our own kind of projection
of how we're thinking and how we're feeling. If we
do have those thoughts about other people. But even still
in that instance, think about when you leave the store
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where you saw the person, are you thinking about it
all the way on the way home. No, Like, even
if you did have kind of like a little you know,
Caddie thought about somebody, you forgot about it when you
walked out the store. But we let other people's ideas
just totally shape our whole personality almost we know or
we're just not going to shine and be ourselves because
of what we possibly worry about someone thinking about is
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for ten seconds that we're never going to know about anyways,
you know, and so to be able to give that
gift to yourself to walk around in the world you
feeling happy when you catch a glimpse of yourself in
the mirror, going like that outfit is cute or I
look really good. That's going to stay with you for
the whole day, versus something that you don't even know
about that lasted for ten seconds, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So true, so true.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And that whole third party goggle perception of other people
subject is a whole We could do an episode all
that alone. Yeah, yeah, Okay, We've got two more big
beliefs that I want to address.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
The first one is like, I don't have time money
fill in the blank to do this, you know, fill
and fill the blank with your own What would you
say to that?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
As far as time goes, I mean, just having this
conversation to Davi with Owen. It takes the same amount
of time to put on like cute pair of leggings
or joggers that it does put on those frumpy spots
that you picked up off the floor.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, tick thing.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You gotta put one leg in and then the other
leg in and yeah, the same amount of time. So
the time comes from the initial kind of figuring out
what works for you. You do have to invest some
time in it and that in but once you create
that wardrobe for yourself, it takes just as much time
to get dressed up and look well. So we can't
say time is an issue because if you're not walking
around naked, you're getting dressed already.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, you're doing it already.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, so you can put on something else that's cute.
And then as far as money, I mean, obviously that
is you know, something that you that all of us
have to deal with. We have like a budget for
clothing or whatever. But still you are worth spending your
funds on and buying things for yourself that look good.
And it doesn't have to be expensive things. It doesn't
have to be that you have to have designer things
all the time. But you're you're worth you know, spending
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whatever it needs to be to look your best, to
fill your best and that also fits in your boddy.
There's a lot of options out there for that now.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And also just like the mental real estate that you're
taking right now, maybe shaming yourself or you know, complaining
about how you feel in the mirror, you know, think
about the opportunity cost as well as we're talking about
the time conversation, right how much time is being spent
complain or thinking about how you're looking and not feeling
your best. Like that's an investment of time right now
(14:04):
too that you could get back from this. And then
you know, nowadays there are so many affordable fashion options
out there, and it's also size inclusive too, And honestly,
at they you know, thrift shops they call them op
shops in Australia and the UK, like there.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Is so much amazing stuff secondhand.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Too, you know, yeah, and I mean there's so many
different options. And then also I mean I talk about
this with my clients too, Like if you add up
the amount that you might be spending on Starbucks or
drive throughs or you know, comfort foods or whatever, it
is like a lot of times we're spending money as
a coping mechanism for not feeling our best. And like, honestly,
part of it is like get that data for yourself,
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you know, see how much you're spending even like, you know,
thirty dollars nowadays you could go buy a pair of
pants and a top, And I know that sounds crazy
to some people but like go try it that it's
almost like a double dog dare of like see how
little you can spend going and getting fashion forward and
just have fun with it. But again understandably, so it's
not feasible for everyone. We're not talking about going and
spending you know, to the nines, but there's something that
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like you know that there's a trade off in a way,
and but you also don't have to buy into the
myth that you need a ton of money to go
find things that fit you and flatter your figure and
all that, which we'll talk about the actual how to
is in the next episode. But part of it is
getting past that belief that like I don't have time,
I can't afford it all the things.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, definitely, I mean, and it's just I think that's
you know, I don't want to say cop out, but
that's just a way that we can avoid the situation,
Oh I can't afford it. Oh I don't have time.
But like you said, we spend so much money on
We spend a certain amount of money whatever, whether it's
a lot of money or a little bit of money
on things that we probably could do without. Or I
remember going shopping, you know, back in the day when
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I was still in a not great relationship with my
body and fashion and just being like this is horrible,
nothing worked. I'm going to go buy, like get a
big ole whatever to eat, Like I would just spend
money on something else because I felt like there wasn't
clothing for me, And totally often enough, we probably you know,
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could take that money and, like you said, go buy
yourself a nice fit, nice well fitting pair of trousers
or get them tailored, which is something that we can
talk about in the next episode. But you know, there
are funds there, and there are lots of different resources
to make those funds work for you to dress yourself
in a way that makes.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
You feel it absolutely and just to stack on that.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I know, when I would had a lesser relationship with
my body, do you know how much money I would
go spend on earrings and headbands and belts and stuff
like that that like because I was like, oh, that
fits me no matter what size I'm at.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So part of it too is like.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, there's there's always a way for when you're committed.
And then the big one that I really want to
talk about is this idea of okay, if I really
embrace this idea of you know, making friends with fashion
and dressing for my body type. Does that mean that
I've like given up on my goal?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know, some people.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Think like, Okay, if I am does this mean I'm settling?
Does this mean I'm giving in if I go buy
new clothes or a bigger size before I've reached my
air quotes goal that I set out for me.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
That's a big one.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Talk to us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, and I'm sure in your fitness career you heard
that a lot. Oh yeah, totally hear that. And there's,
like I said, there's this belief that if you you know,
cave in and you buy something for yourself, that you
are settling. Meanwhile, you're walking around miserable and you know,
not having very positive things to say about yourself because
(17:30):
when you look in the mirror, you're not liking what
you see. But it's not even just about your body.
It's about the fact that you aren't showing your self love.
And so when you look at yourself and you're feeling
really frumpy, you're not as motivated. You know, when when
something that an activity or an action or a habit
that maybe doesn't align with your goals, is presented in
front of you, you're more likely to go that route
(17:51):
because you're just like, eh, you know, what does it matter?
You know. But I have found working with clients, you know,
especially like after we would do those photo shoots and
the would get all dressed and they'd have these really
cute outfits, they were more motivated to continue to make
whatever changes that, you know, healthy changes that they wanted
to make for themselves. So it's the exact opposite we
talked about. It was it the last episode we talked
about like doing things out of love. So when you
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have that showing yourself that love it, it's more motivating
and not less. I've never worked with anyone that bought
themselves a new outfit and then we're like, okay, I'm done,
never mind, I'm just going to stop this now, right,
everyone more motivated to keep going and keep continuing. So,
you know, give it a shot. If you don't believe it,
if you're like no, no, give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And you know, one of the things that comes up
when I talk about acceptance with my clients is there's
a difference between accepting where you are and accepting the data,
like accepting the body that you have right now, or
accepting the size or the shape that you're in right now,
right and accepting it without shame, without blame, without condemnation,
just again making peace that this is where I am
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and I'm not going to shame it. So that's one
version of acceptance, but people confuse it with accept it
as the end and resigning to it. And so what
I say to that is like, there's a different So yes,
except where you are without the shame, without the blame,
all of that, But you also are allowed to say
I no longer want to accept certain ways of being
in my life, and there's the areas I want to
go improve and I want to up level and accepting
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does not mean resigning to it, like you're again, two
things can be true at the same time. You can
accept your body and embrace your curves and dress for
your body type and also have goals of being a healthier,
happier version of yourself. So it doesn't have to mean
that you're like resigning to something being the way it
is forever.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
But while you're here, like, what what's your alternative? You know,
shaming yourself future pacing, having anxiety looking at the past.
Either way, you're not in the present. This is a
way to embrace the present and practice that self acceptance
right now, independent of the size, the shape, the calorie count,
the bank balance, whatever it is, and practice like really
showing yourself this.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
There's so many different ways to show your self love,
but this is one way to really show yourself love
and take stick towards acceptance and step takes, take steps
towards really embracing all of who you are and finding
a new beauty in who you are.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, I means really, if you are not doing that,
it's not going to happen because you magically hit whatever
size is your goal or whatever number on the scale.
And so that really is the work that has to
happen alongside with whatever else you're doing, because you know,
take it from people who have been there and done that.
I can guarantee you and I hit you know, a
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certain body type. The light didn't just switch on where
I was just like now I feel amazing and confident.
If anything, I had more things to find about myself
that well now I'm here. But how come this did
and change? And how come that's not any different? And
so it wasn't until I went back and looked and
just really began to just be like, hey, this is
where I am. Embrace this as it is right now
that I was able to make really impactful changes.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, And honestly, this can be such a beautiful experiment.
This can be such a beautiful way to just like
start over, like go meet your body again.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And you know, part of what we.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Didn't even talk about this, this kind of comes with
the understanding of like you're gonna be looking at yourself
in the mirror, right and that might be new to
some of you, Like this is an opportunity to go
meet yourself again and to go just be comfort Like,
you know, we talked about this actually in an episode
with Amy, the difference between I hate my body to no,
I love my body. And it's like way too big
of a jump for some people, But you can go
(21:25):
from I hate my body to which I hate to
say it, but a lot of women say those words
hate when it comes to their body. So I'm just
you know, kind of ab limming right now. But you know,
going from I hate my body to you know what,
I don't have to like everything about my body. But
this is my body right now, and I refuse to
be a victim to it, and I'm gonna learn to
accept it because arguing with reality, I just create my suffering.
(21:45):
So there's so going from like air quotes hate to
just acceptance is a very easy first step rather than
going to like I love my body. Oh my gosh,
you know, because it's a really big it's a big jump.
So that being said, doing this process, the experimentation like
who you will become in the process of it. You're
going to have to pass through getting to know your
(22:06):
body and discovering your body, and it might bring up
some stuff for you, but it's such a powerful experiment.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And you know, and I think that when we avoid
looking at ourselves in the mirror when you were talking
about it, I was thinking about when we avoid looking
ourselves in the mirror, we dread it every time, so
we avoid it, and then when we look, all we
see is the negative and then we're just like, oh gosh,
I don't want to look at that. But I found
through it just another experiment. Just the more you look
at yourself in the mirror, you actually start to find
(22:35):
things that you do really like, and you'll think to yourself.
Did that change? Has this changed? But really it was
the same. You just never were able to appreciate it
before because you were so seldom really evaluating yourself and
you would just see the negative things. And then when
you can start to see the beauty in yourself, then
that is another thing that makes the process more enjoyable,
(22:57):
because you want to enjoy the process along the way.
So while you're making whatever changes you want to make,
you might as well also look in the mirror and
be really happy with what you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Absolutely, and it's really the intent that shapes the content.
Like the content is, yeah, we're inviting you to go
on a fashion experiment to make over with your body.
But that's why we call this series Beyond the Mirror,
like how fashion can play a role in healing your
relationship with yourself and healing your relationship with your body.
So next episode, part three of this, we're going to
talk about some how tos. What does this look like
practically if you want to go on an experiment, What
(23:29):
are some things to keep in mind as you're kind
of getting to know your body again, learning what your
new sense of fashion is really using this to almost
build this new identity within your body. So thank you
so much for being here, and we're excited to dive
into the how tos.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Where can people find you in the meantime.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
They can find my designs and patterns at the Stylemagnolia
dot com and they can find me personally on Instagram
at get Fit with Sarah and it's fitness in all
the areas, fashion, healthy mindset, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Love it awesome, awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
If you miss last week's definitely check out where she
shared her journey from fitness to fashion and how this
all came to be and all the winding roads that
she passed through.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So thank you again so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
We will be back next time with part three of
this series.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So bye for now.
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Amy Brown
Leanne Ellington
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