July 29, 2023 • 28 mins
OUTWEIGH: Have you ever heard of the concept of “Reversing”? It's something that is such a powerful tool for healing, but it is very rarely talked about. If you’ve ever wondered how to repair the physiological repercussions of living with disordered eating or an eating disorder, you don't want to miss this episode. Health and fitness expert Holly Baxter is back on Outweigh to talk about the healing powers of "Reversing". You’ll learn exactly what it is, why you should know about it, and how it can truly help you heal mentally, physically, metabolically, and beyond.
CONTENT WARNING: Here at Outweigh we want to be sensitive to the fact that some of this subject matter might be a little bit confrontational for some of you on your healing journey, but we didn’t want to just NOT talk about it, or avoid these important subjects altogether. Because, wherever you are on your healing journey, at some point in time, you might be ready for whatever YOUR next step is, and that might include goal setting or focusing on new outcomes.
And most of what’s out there in the modern day world to meet you in those goals is a surefire way to bring you back down the road of toxicity and disorder, and we didn’t want to leave you hanging like that. So if you are in that place in your healing journey, and you’re ready to look at what’s next, this interview series shares a perspective on how to do just that– while still keeping your mental and emotional health AND your healing journey front and center.
So this is just a bit of a heads up that we are going to be covering some topics that might not have been broached yet on this podcast, but also just reiterating that the purpose is to show you how to view these once-controversial or difficult topics in a beautiful, healthy, and empowering way that ensures that your healing journey stays front and center. That's if or when you are ready. And if you’re not there yet, that is absolutely OK as well, and we simply invite you to tuck this information in your back pocket (or just skip it altogether right now) and just know it’s there when you’re ready. Because here at Outweigh, we always want you to feel safe to be exactly where you are, and we will always try to meet you there.
HOST: Leanne Ellington // @leanneellington // StresslessEating.com
GUEST: Holly Baxter // @Hhollytbaxter // @teamhollytbaxter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I'm made, don won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning love who.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I am again.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm strong, I feel free, I know every part of me.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And that will always out way if you feel it,
but yours are.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey? Out way listeners?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Leanne Ellington here and before we dive into our interview series,
I wanted to give you some context for what you're
about to hear. I also just wanted to hold space
and be sensitive to the fact that some of this
subject matter might be a little bit confrontational or triggering
for some of you that are on your healing journey.
That being said, I didn't want to just not talk
(00:57):
about it or avoid these important subjects all day other,
because wherever you are on your own healing journey, at
some point you might be ready for whatever your next
step is, and that might include goal setting or focusing
on new outcomes. And let's be honest, most of what's
out there in the modern day world to meet you
in those goals is a surefire way to bring you
(01:19):
back down the road of disorder and toxicity, and I
didn't want to leave you hanging like that. So if
you are in that place in your healing journey and
you're ready to look at what's next, this interview series
shares a perspective on how to do just that while
still keeping your mental and emotional health and your healing
journey front and center. And if you're not there yet,
(01:42):
that is absolutely okay as well. And I simply invite
you to just tuck this information in your back pocket
or just skip it all together right now and just
know that it's there when you're ready. And you know, truthfully,
just thinking back ten or fifteen years ago, the subjects
that we're going to be covering in this interview series
might have triggered me a little bit based on where
I was in my journey, and that is totally okay
(02:03):
if that's the case for you too, So yeah, I
just wanted to give you a little bit of a
heads up that we are going to be covering some
topics that might not have been broached yet on this podcast,
but also just reiterating that the purpose is to show
you how to view these once controversial or difficult topics
in a beautiful, healthy, and empowering way that ensures that
(02:25):
your healing journey stays front and center. And again that's
only if or when you're ready, because hear it out, Waigh.
We always want you to feel safe to be exactly
where you are, and we will always try to meet
you there. So with that being said, let's dive into
the interview series.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Hey, Hey, happy Saturday Outwaigh.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
This is Leanne Ellington and I am back here for
part two. We've got the amazing Holly Baxter back here again.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Hey Holly, Hello, my love, how are you good?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
So good to have you back and thank you so
much for last week's episode. Such a power full testimony
for you to share anyone listening if you miss that,
that was kind of part one where everything that we're
we're talking about with Holly is kind of you know,
collecting or coexisting and connecting, so definitely go and check
back check that back out, and it all kind of
is stemming from our very first two Things Can Be
(03:16):
True episode that Amy and I did in the series,
where you know, you can have this amazing relationship with
yourself and a beautiful self worth and a body image
that you're proud of and then still also have a
life after that and have goals and do some go
getting and goal setting. So last week we got into
a little bit of that, but today we're going to
get into a specific topic and we're going to teach
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you about the healing powers of reversing okay, and we're
going to talk about what it is, why you should
know about it, and I'm going to share my thoughts
and experiences with it, and just to kind of, you know,
segue into this.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
We mentioned it a little bit on last week's.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Episode that you know, after you have been in that
restriction cycle where maybe there's a lot of food phobia,
calorie phobia, fat phobia, carb phobia, we tend to be
in you know, a lower caloric intake for a long time.
Our bodies adapt and there's a lot of myths out
there of like, oh, I broke my metabolism or I
messed up my metabolism, and as Holly will teach us,
(04:11):
that's just not true. But there is also a lot
of fear that comes up when it's like, okay, now
that I'm ready to just you know, really step into
a more healed and freedom driven but also you know,
strategic relationship with the food in a way, because at
first you do have to be strategic about it before
the freedom comes, right, you know, how to teach your
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body to recover from such a drastically low caloric state,
but while still speaking to the fears that anybody who's
experiencing their own disorder has when when reintroducing, you know,
an air quotes normal amount of food into play, how
however that looks for you? And I say normal because
you know, in air quotes, because there's no normal, it's
just whatever. Everyone's in a different place. And Holly, I'll
(04:53):
speak to that specifically. But so I'm just going to
turn it over to you. So this idea of reversing
right and really tea teaching your body to heal from
the metabolic you know, deficits, so to speak around what
happens when you're you know, getting your body gets used
to just such a low calorie. Can you just share
a little bit about the beauty of it, what it is,
why we should know about it, why we should care
(05:13):
about it, why it's such a powerful tool to just
continue healing your relationship with food.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Absolutely, So I think it's actually really important to kind
of talk about, you know, why reversing is such a
wonderful tool that we can call upon after someone has
attempted a fat loss phase or a diet.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And you kind of alluded to the fact that, you know,
when people put.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Them through these really these really restrictive types of you know,
diet plans, there are a number of negative adaptations that
can take place, and they're not necessarily talked about all
that often.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know, we will often see.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
This scale weight going down, and you know, that's obviously,
you know, a scene in many eyes as a positive
thing for fat loss. But when we do that too quickly,
when we lose too much our body weight in a
short period of time, we start to see the body
kind of fighting back, and we have this incredibly robust
self defense system that tries to prevent us from losing
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more weight. We start to see all of these adaptations
where our I guess, daily energy expenditure naturally starts to decline.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
That is something that's called neat our non.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Exercise activity thermogenesis, so that decreases, you know, our incidental
movement starts to slow down. We start to see hormonal
changes that can really negatively impact our day to day
function and living.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
We see changes in our ability to sleep well, so
our ability to fall asleep and then to stay asleep,
which we all know is so important for our health
for so many different reasons. But we see changes in
our libidito, our sex hormones go down the tank. There
are so many things that just do not get spoken about.
Let leone, the hunger and the fatigue that comes with dieting.
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And these are all things that I had no idea
about when I kind of first you know, got into
this space that I exist and live in now with
my career. So the beauty of reversing is that it
actually has the ability to kind of undo some of
that and, as it suggests, reverse those negative adaptations. So
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one of the things that we can do, after you know,
going through a period of restrictive eating.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
To kind of help ourselves move back towards a positive,
you know, healthy metabolism, is to slowly, but surely, in
a rather controlled fashion, reintroduce calories.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And what tends to happen is that as we give
a little bit more so, we allow ourselves to enjoy
a wider variety of foods, a greater number of calories.
If we do it slowly enough, we can actually cause
some positive adaptation. So any of those negative things that
took place whilst trying to restrict calories and to lose fat,
we can start to undo that. So some of the
hormones start to return to normal and normalize. We see,
(07:58):
I guess, the restoration of our sexualans. We get our
labedo back, which is always a wonderful thing. We tend
to have an improvement in our mood.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Anybody that's dieted for a long period of time may
have experienced really you know, low self esteem and feeling
really unhappy and just you know, downright depressed. Because it
does it requires a lot of thought and you know,
will power to restrict, so a lot of those negative
feelings start to lift, not to mention improvements in our sleep,
our day to day energy, and of course you know,
(08:27):
getting rid of the hunger. So this process should take
place really over a number of weeks, and I'm talking
like twenty to as many as you're willing to not
diet for and during that time. My recommendations at least
are to couple this slow reintroduction of calories with some
resistance training, because what resistance training is going to do
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is that's going to help you build your lean body mass.
So your muscle mass and my friend's lean body mass
is one of the most energetically costly tissues that we
can you know, having our body that is going to
help drive up those positive adaptations. So coupled with those
slow increases and allowing for some natural adaptation to take place.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Now, if you're going to pair it with lifting, now
we're building muscle, which also has a you know, inherent
need for more calories. Now we can slowly start to
see our calories coming back up, and that gives us
that food freedom. It allows us to be you know,
more flexible and to enjoy you know, our life for
the way it should be enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Absolutely, And I think you know, the resistance trading part
of it is something that's also not talked about in
the recovery world as well, because again, a lot of
times exercise can be looked at as a weapon of
you know, punishment or calorie burning or all that. But like,
what we don't realize is when we're in such restriction
for so long, there are we're most likely going to
be losing a good amount of lean body mass and
(09:52):
lean body tissue. Uh, because and as there's so many
health benefits to that just beyond the physique. And I
know a lot of people that are in disorder or
a lot of times, like we talked about last week,
it is about the physique, But this is about general health, ladies.
And you know, one of the things that we're talking
about here in terms of reversing is this is again
not about what you look like. It's about getting that
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vitality back. It's about creating these positive and powerful adaptations
in you know, neurologically, metabolically, gastrointestinally, hormonally, endocrine, all the
system of systems that dictates our bodies. Not to mention
the peace of mind. And then again, one of the
things that I love about how I learned this process
through you is how to do it in a really
you know, evidence based way so that my I could
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have peace of mind knowing that I'm not going to
be you know, air quotes going off the rails or
whatever it is. And I know, you know, I talked
to Agal last week actually, and she had been to
a lot of you know, eating disorder therapists, and she
was telling me that like basically the work that week
or one of the weeks, was like her therapist was like,
you have to eat x amount of salmon, like right now,
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like this week, you know, and it was just like
eat this, eat more, have more. And it was just
like she's like, you don't understand. This is not about
the salmon. It wasn't about the salmon.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It was about the fears that I had about.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
All of a sudden not eating something and then radically
shifting to eating something more so doing it in this
really progressive fashion where again, the goal here is nothing
to do with your physique. It's all about healing and
really teaching your body to feel safe to have this
extra food, but also teaching your mind, heart and soul
and spirit to feel safe knowing that food is not
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a weapon and it's not dangerous, that it can actually
really help you heal, and then little by little having
the anecdotal evidence of like, wow, I feel so much
better when I have more food, and you're gradually teaching
your body metabolically and mentally to have more food. So
I love how you also brought in the resistance training
part of it, because that's something that's not often talked about.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You know, this is such a wonderful opportunity for people
as well to you know, tap into some of their
other values.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I know for me, you know, I at.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
The time back when I really struggled with my self
image and my self worth, I exclusively just focused on,
you know, how I looked, and when I actually started
thinking about, you know, who is Holly, who do I
want to be? You know, what's the type of person
that you know, I want to be when I'm when
I'm forty or fifty, and really got granular with that
and was specific with you know, what are my goals
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in life and what is my purpose?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
These periods of reversing.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Were such a wonderful time for me, not only to
you know, dabble in this wonderful idea of being able
to eat more and enjoy you know more, you know
more of the fun things that life has to offer.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But I felt amazing. My strength was going up week
by week.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I actually did two powerlifting our meats when I was
doing this at the beginning, because it gave me something
external to focus on that was performance.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Based, not what I saw in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So that coupling of having you know, a performance based
goal also thinking about okay, what else can I fin
you know, what do I want to do with my career?
So bringing all those things together really kind of took
me out of this, I guess place where I found
myself getting stuck on how I looked. So I think,
you know, reversing is such a great time for personal
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growth as much as anything else.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Absolutely, so, yeah, and you mentioned that, you know, I
love that it's playing the long game, Like, this is
not a short term gratification trap concept, right, It's about
playing the long game and identifying, like what's the kind
of health and vitality and body that you want to have,
you know, a year from now, five years from now,
and creating that And again it's not the type of
goal setting that a lot of women think about, right,
(13:40):
But can you share with us some examples of what
you've experienced. I know, your team Holly Baxter coaching one
of the things I love. Instead of like the typical
before and after pictures you guys share like this person
went from eating eleven hundred calories to twenty three hundred
calories and didn't really gain body fat.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So can you just give for people that are.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Hearing this reversing concept in there, like wait, a minute
eating more food is I'm definitely gonna gain weight, and
they have all these fears and all this trepidation. Can
you share some real life experiences of what you've experienced,
maybe with yourself, but also you know people that might
not like you know, there's some people that you're like, oh,
they're metabolically gifted, but then you're like, no, this person was,
you know, had disordered eating their metabolism. If they had
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any reason to think they had a broken metabolism, it
would be them Like talk to us about different populations
that you've seen in this work through, and can you
just like share a little bit about what it looks
like firsthand.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, So it's funny. I actually have a full
book about this exact topic. It is called a Complete
Reverse Diiding Guide, so it is available on my website. However,
in that book, we actually do a mini case study,
I guess. So we have about fifty of my one
on one clients and we point out, you know, what
their average starting weight was, their end body weight, and
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then what their body composition, you know, body fat mass,
all those types of things you know were at the
end of this reverse but moreover, where their calories got to.
In most cases, what we end up seeing is almost
like a fifty percent increase in somebody's caloric intake over
that twenty week reversing period, which is just crazy fifty
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she said, fifty.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So you know that in and of itself is amazing,
But personally, I think it's it's important to say that
this isn't just something that you do just once. I
and many of my clients, many of our team's clients
have done multiple rounds of this reverse diet process where
we are eventually seeing increases in their lean body mass,
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so their muscle mass is going up over time, We're
seeing increases in their caloric intake, and we're seeing decreases
in their body fat percentage over time, not to mention
all of the psychological benefits that have kind of taken
place during each of these, you know, distinct phases of reversing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So it is.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Definitely something that you know, if you feel like you
are struggling on you know, Bernie the candle at both ends,
so to speak, where you're doing so much exercise you
feel like you're restricting all the time, or you know,
the one day that you do decide to allow yourself
or give yourself that permission to have something that is
more calorically dense, and you feel like you just instantly,
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you know, gain body fat. There is a chance that
you do have some negative adaptations, but it doesn't mean
that it cannot be restored. So this process really allows
you to come out of that and you know, live
a more fulfilling life with more calories, feeling stronger, feeling energized,
and ultimately improving your body composition through increases in lean mass,
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which we know have so many health benefits, you know,
across a range of different conditions.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Yeah, So to give an example of a timeline of this,
like when somebody is coming to you and they've been
in a really drastically reduced or restrictive you know, eating
pattern for a long time, and then you take them
through a reverse you know, is it is it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
A twelve month process? Is four month?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Like, just to set the expectations for somebody who has
been in that disorder for a long time, what would
like if you if they were giving themselves the gift
of time, what would you recommend for that goodness?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I think it really just depends on people's individual goals,
because you know, what you say to me as your ideal,
you know, body composition might be very different to what
I say is mine, and that's okay. So I don't
know that I can give any like hard facts or
specifics because that, you know, there's such a gray area
of people's expectations. But I know, you know, for me
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as an example, and I don't know whether on this
podcast you guys use numbers or weights.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Is that okay for me to mention body weights?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Just knowing that anybody who hears this, ladies, it is
up to you to decide what you do with it.
You know, she's just sharing her experiences and her anecdotes,
and everything's from an evidence based perspective, so yeah, go
for it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So I know, when I first started my journey, I
used to weigh about fifty six kilograms, and that was
back when I was track sprinting, I was running, I
was doing a little bit of resistance training, but it
was probably more you know, pliometric really And then at
the time, my caloric intake or requirements were about twelve
hundred and fifty to thirteen hundred calories, which is very
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very low. Going forwards ten years, and I'm going to
say about half of that involves me really applying an
evidence based approach to resistance training. I am now sitting
ten kilograms, so we're talking twenty something pounds heavier, and
I am happier than I ever was, and I'm also
in a physique that is so much stronger. I probably
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have significantly lower health risks across a range of different
conditions because I have healed my relationship with food. I
now eat on average probably two thousand to two thy
five hundred calories every day, and I truly am able
to enjoy a much wider variety of foods. So you
know this, that's a lifetime of you know, resistance training.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
So you know, we're talking twenty pounds would.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Be realistic thing over a ten year, you know, span
of this process, which is exactly what I have done.
But you know, in a shorter term, it's not unrealistic
to think that you can take your calories up by
probably a thousand from where you are in a twenty
four weeks six month reversing period. That is a not
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an unrealistic expectation. If you are somebody that likes and
enjoys moving your body and you know, commits to an
evidence based training process. So it's really amazing to see
some of the results.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, and you know, to anybody who any of those
numbers are air quotes triggering, you know, it's a really
beautiful example of you know, she's telling you, hey, I
gained twenty pounds on the scale, but first of all,
I'm eating about double the calories I had, and just physiologically,
when you look at her body, the twenty pounds doesn't
denote it's I mean, because she was resistance training and
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she was really adding you know, and not to mention
the bone density benefits you get from the resistance training.
So she's building and eating more and really creating this strong,
vitality driven version of her body. And yes, the scale
is twenty pounds heavier, but she didn't just you know,
gain twenty pounds of fat. She enabled her body to
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be fueled to go do the movement that she could
do to put on the lean body mass that she
had lost from under eating and overcardioing.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
So again she's sharing those numbers just as a way
to show you what's possible. And again we can do
a whole episode about how the scale can be very
deceitful because it and not to mention. You know, it
doesn't denote what it's comprised of. It doesn't denote happiness
and wholeness and integrity and how you're valuing yourself.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So I think that's actually a beauty.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I'm glad you gave those numbers because it's showing how
you can actually air quotes gain weight, you know, but
you're really increasing your health and it also is helping
you disassociate and detach your identity from the weight. So
I'm actually appreciative that you shared those those specifics.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, and I think something else there and this is
relatively new information for me because they've just finished writing
a book on this.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They've just finished writing a book on this. It is
the realistic rates of muscle growth.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So you know, we hear all kinds of numbers being
thrown around, you know, in the industry, and that's really
all it is. I actually went through it and did
a revision of about thirty nine randomized control trials that
are I guess, studying subjects participants.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Over like an eight to twelve week period.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And again these are all every single rep has been
you know, monitored. They've got a researcher there, like counting
the reps making sure that they're going to failure. And
what is crazy to me is that there are a
handful of studies that we'll call like extraordinary where you know,
they might see increases in muscle growth of around the
point five up to point seven of a centimeter. So
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imagine what that looks like. Now look at your little
pinky finger. You know, that might be a centometer. So
we're talking point five to point seven and that was
in like three extraordinary findings. And now what is more
interesting is if we look at the average rates of
muscle growth for natural you know, non steroidal users, it's
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actually around point two two point three centimeters per eight
tok eight to twelve week study intervention.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So again I want to relate.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
This back to what we've just been talking about with
this reverse dieting concept and improving your metabolism, because again
that muscle is one of the driving factors of increasing
your daily daily BMI, your basal metabolic rate, increasing your
total daily energy requirements. So the more muscle you can build,
the higher those numbers are going to be.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Absolutely yeah, and I really it's important that we're talking
about these concepts because you know, a lot of this
podcast talks about what's happening in the midst of the disorder.
But after you have healed your relationship with food, I
truly believe it is really important that you go heal
some from some of the physical repercussions that have happened
as a as a you know. I know, for me,
I had a lot of you know, collateral damage so
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to speak, that needed to be addressed, you know, not
to mention the physiological issues and pain and all of that.
So I think, you know, again, this stuff that we're
talking about today has a time or place, and please
use your discretion and discernment to know whether this is
relevant to you. Again, we're talking about a lot of
this is going to take place, like after you have
healed and can have these conversations.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And use it as a tool.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
But like imagine even just taking this concept of talking
about lean body mass, Like just imagine if you are
such a slave to that number on the scale and
instead of looking at a number, you actually started focusing
on like performance and how your body moves and feels
and building muscle and having this organ that is going
to build you know, burn calories while you're sleeping, you know,
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and and really taking your eye off of the typical
you know, measurables that you've been using. Even that is
such a paradigm shift. So again, a lot of this
stuff that we're talking about, I'll be totally honest, if
I had talked with you about this year ten years ago,
I might have gotten, you know, kind of triggered by
some of this. But it really is such an important topic.
And that's why I wanted to talk about this because
if this does confront you at all, I just want
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you to give yourself permission to let that be okay,
because sometimes things can confront us, and sometimes things can
challenge us, and maybe we're not ready to hear it,
or maybe it's just the right thing wrong time, or
maybe it's the wrong thing right time, whatever it is.
Use your wisdom to know where this fits for you.
But we wouldn't be who we were in this in
this industry to help people heal their relationship with food
and their bodies if we didn't talk about like what
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happens next and afterwards and what you have to look
forward to and how to you know, create these reframes.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So it's so important.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, And I think it's also so important to recognize like,
we want to meet you where you are. So I'm
speaking to this as somebody that has done the work
and you know, has spent years kind of trying to
heal from all of my you know, dysfunctional thoughts and behaviors.
And it doesn't mean that I don't still struggle on
a Pasian. I think we all still have, you know,
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those negative thoughts about you know, how we might look
and feel in our you know, an outfit, or maybe
I shouldn't go to this event because people are going
to be looking at me and you know, judging me or.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
What have you. It doesn't mean that we don't still
have those thoughts.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But I think, you know, we have gotten to this
point and I think Leanne I can speak for you
as well.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
We we have traveled.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
This journey and we want we're here to help you.
So if it really does mean for us to meet
you where you are and how can we get you
moving in this positive direction that we know is going
to lead you to you know, a happier sense of.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Self, absolutely yeah, and repairing this part of it, and
it's it really is the next level of healing a
relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It's like creating safety.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
You know, I think one of the beautiful things about
reversing and especially doing it through you know, an in
evidence based approach, is that we can really get grandular
and be very specific on the speed.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
At which we do this.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So, you know, if you're in the hands of a
coach who perhaps doesn't have you know, the experience, you know,
working in a lab or reading scientific studies, and that's
just not their thing. I mean that's okay. There's a
place for everybody. But what I love about what we
do is that we can very tightly control that. You know,
we have equations and math, which is really a lot
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of what all of this is to do. It's just
a lot of numbers, which I enjoy personally, but for
anybody that might be concerned or you know, have a
little bit of fear about, you know, body weight regain.
In this process, we move at your speed and it
can be laser focused to meet you where you are.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, and I love that, and I love that you
and your team also, you know, if somebody came to
you and they were at a very you know, drastically
reduced caloric rate and they were like, hey, I want
to lose body fat like you would tell them straight up, like, listen,
I think you might be better off like in a
maintenance or reverse or whatever. And we're going to talk
about that a bit more in depth in next week's episode.
But you guys are always again meeting people where they are,
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but also empowering them to understand what they might not
understand and learn what they might not know so that
they can keep the long game in mind. So beautiful,
I love it. Well, we are going to be back
next week and we're going to bring it all together.
So we're going to just kind of get Holly. We're
gonna you know, give her the third degree.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, just kidding. We're gonna ask Hollie, you know, what.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Does this process look like for you know, having both Okay,
so now that we've healed our relationship with food or
again we're on the journey because it's its ongoing journey.
What does it look like if I want to go reverse?
What does it look like if I want to you know,
have goal setting in mind? How do I do that
without losing all of this work that I've done and
what that looks like practically? So in the meantime, where
can people find you? I know you also have the
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Reverse Dieting Guide on your website, so can you just
share a little bit about where to find you and
we can link anything in the show notes as well.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, so I'm going to send everybody straight to my Instagram.
It is just Holly Tea Baxter.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And you can also find all of my coaches and
their wealth of knowledge on the coaching page which is
Team Holly Teed Baxter. So if you head over to
either of those pages, you'll be able to see the links.
We've got all of our products, all of our services,
the book that you mentioned, and everything in between.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Beautiful, awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Well, thank you so much for being here, and we
are going to be back next week to round it
all out. So this is it for Outweigh for this
week and we'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Bye bye,
I won't let my body out be outwait everything that
I'm made, don won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning love who.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I am again.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm strong, I feel free, I know every part of me.
It's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And that will always out way if you feel it,
but yours are.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
She'll some love to the view I get.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
There, say go day An, did you and die out way?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey? Out way listeners?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Leanne Ellington here and before we dive into our interview series,
I wanted to give you some context for what you're
about to hear. I also just wanted to hold space
and be sensitive to the fact that some of this
subject matter might be a little bit confrontational or triggering
for some of you that are on your healing journey.
That being said, I didn't want to just not talk
(00:57):
about it or avoid these important subjects all day other,
because wherever you are on your own healing journey, at
some point you might be ready for whatever your next
step is, and that might include goal setting or focusing
on new outcomes. And let's be honest, most of what's
out there in the modern day world to meet you
in those goals is a surefire way to bring you
(01:19):
back down the road of disorder and toxicity, and I
didn't want to leave you hanging like that. So if
you are in that place in your healing journey and
you're ready to look at what's next, this interview series
shares a perspective on how to do just that while
still keeping your mental and emotional health and your healing
journey front and center. And if you're not there yet,
(01:42):
that is absolutely okay as well. And I simply invite
you to just tuck this information in your back pocket
or just skip it all together right now and just
know that it's there when you're ready. And you know, truthfully,
just thinking back ten or fifteen years ago, the subjects
that we're going to be covering in this interview series
might have triggered me a little bit based on where
I was in my journey, and that is totally okay
(02:03):
if that's the case for you too, So yeah, I
just wanted to give you a little bit of a
heads up that we are going to be covering some
topics that might not have been broached yet on this podcast,
but also just reiterating that the purpose is to show
you how to view these once controversial or difficult topics
in a beautiful, healthy, and empowering way that ensures that
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your healing journey stays front and center. And again that's
only if or when you're ready, because hear it out, Waigh.
We always want you to feel safe to be exactly
where you are, and we will always try to meet
you there. So with that being said, let's dive into
the interview series.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Hey, Hey, happy Saturday Outwaigh.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
This is Leanne Ellington and I am back here for
part two. We've got the amazing Holly Baxter back here again.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Hey Holly, Hello, my love, how are you good?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
So good to have you back and thank you so
much for last week's episode. Such a power full testimony
for you to share anyone listening if you miss that,
that was kind of part one where everything that we're
we're talking about with Holly is kind of you know,
collecting or coexisting and connecting, so definitely go and check
back check that back out, and it all kind of
is stemming from our very first two Things Can Be
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True episode that Amy and I did in the series,
where you know, you can have this amazing relationship with
yourself and a beautiful self worth and a body image
that you're proud of and then still also have a
life after that and have goals and do some go
getting and goal setting. So last week we got into
a little bit of that, but today we're going to
get into a specific topic and we're going to teach
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you about the healing powers of reversing okay, and we're
going to talk about what it is, why you should
know about it, and I'm going to share my thoughts
and experiences with it, and just to kind of, you know,
segue into this.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
We mentioned it a little bit on last week's.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Episode that you know, after you have been in that
restriction cycle where maybe there's a lot of food phobia,
calorie phobia, fat phobia, carb phobia, we tend to be
in you know, a lower caloric intake for a long time.
Our bodies adapt and there's a lot of myths out
there of like, oh, I broke my metabolism or I
messed up my metabolism, and as Holly will teach us,
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that's just not true. But there is also a lot
of fear that comes up when it's like, okay, now
that I'm ready to just you know, really step into
a more healed and freedom driven but also you know,
strategic relationship with the food in a way, because at
first you do have to be strategic about it before
the freedom comes, right, you know, how to teach your
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body to recover from such a drastically low caloric state,
but while still speaking to the fears that anybody who's
experiencing their own disorder has when when reintroducing, you know,
an air quotes normal amount of food into play, how
however that looks for you? And I say normal because
you know, in air quotes, because there's no normal, it's
just whatever. Everyone's in a different place. And Holly, I'll
(04:53):
speak to that specifically. But so I'm just going to
turn it over to you. So this idea of reversing
right and really tea teaching your body to heal from
the metabolic you know, deficits, so to speak around what
happens when you're you know, getting your body gets used
to just such a low calorie. Can you just share
a little bit about the beauty of it, what it is,
why we should know about it, why we should care
(05:13):
about it, why it's such a powerful tool to just
continue healing your relationship with food.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Absolutely, So I think it's actually really important to kind
of talk about, you know, why reversing is such a
wonderful tool that we can call upon after someone has
attempted a fat loss phase or a diet.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And you kind of alluded to the fact that, you know,
when people put.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Them through these really these really restrictive types of you know,
diet plans, there are a number of negative adaptations that
can take place, and they're not necessarily talked about all
that often.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know, we will often see.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
This scale weight going down, and you know, that's obviously,
you know, a scene in many eyes as a positive
thing for fat loss. But when we do that too quickly,
when we lose too much our body weight in a
short period of time, we start to see the body
kind of fighting back, and we have this incredibly robust
self defense system that tries to prevent us from losing
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more weight. We start to see all of these adaptations
where our I guess, daily energy expenditure naturally starts to decline.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
That is something that's called neat our non.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Exercise activity thermogenesis, so that decreases, you know, our incidental
movement starts to slow down. We start to see hormonal
changes that can really negatively impact our day to day
function and living.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
We see changes in our ability to sleep well, so
our ability to fall asleep and then to stay asleep,
which we all know is so important for our health
for so many different reasons. But we see changes in
our libidito, our sex hormones go down the tank. There
are so many things that just do not get spoken about.
Let leone, the hunger and the fatigue that comes with dieting.
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And these are all things that I had no idea
about when I kind of first you know, got into
this space that I exist and live in now with
my career. So the beauty of reversing is that it
actually has the ability to kind of undo some of
that and, as it suggests, reverse those negative adaptations. So
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one of the things that we can do, after you know,
going through a period of restrictive eating.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
To kind of help ourselves move back towards a positive,
you know, healthy metabolism, is to slowly, but surely, in
a rather controlled fashion, reintroduce calories.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
And what tends to happen is that as we give
a little bit more so, we allow ourselves to enjoy
a wider variety of foods, a greater number of calories.
If we do it slowly enough, we can actually cause
some positive adaptation. So any of those negative things that
took place whilst trying to restrict calories and to lose fat,
we can start to undo that. So some of the
hormones start to return to normal and normalize. We see,
(07:58):
I guess, the restoration of our sexualans. We get our
labedo back, which is always a wonderful thing. We tend
to have an improvement in our mood.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Anybody that's dieted for a long period of time may
have experienced really you know, low self esteem and feeling
really unhappy and just you know, downright depressed. Because it
does it requires a lot of thought and you know,
will power to restrict, so a lot of those negative
feelings start to lift, not to mention improvements in our sleep,
our day to day energy, and of course you know,
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getting rid of the hunger. So this process should take
place really over a number of weeks, and I'm talking
like twenty to as many as you're willing to not
diet for and during that time. My recommendations at least
are to couple this slow reintroduction of calories with some
resistance training, because what resistance training is going to do
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is that's going to help you build your lean body mass.
So your muscle mass and my friend's lean body mass
is one of the most energetically costly tissues that we
can you know, having our body that is going to
help drive up those positive adaptations. So coupled with those
slow increases and allowing for some natural adaptation to take place.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Now, if you're going to pair it with lifting, now
we're building muscle, which also has a you know, inherent
need for more calories. Now we can slowly start to
see our calories coming back up, and that gives us
that food freedom. It allows us to be you know,
more flexible and to enjoy you know, our life for
the way it should be enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Absolutely, And I think you know, the resistance trading part
of it is something that's also not talked about in
the recovery world as well, because again, a lot of
times exercise can be looked at as a weapon of
you know, punishment or calorie burning or all that. But like,
what we don't realize is when we're in such restriction
for so long, there are we're most likely going to
be losing a good amount of lean body mass and
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lean body tissue. Uh, because and as there's so many
health benefits to that just beyond the physique. And I
know a lot of people that are in disorder or
a lot of times, like we talked about last week,
it is about the physique, But this is about general health, ladies.
And you know, one of the things that we're talking
about here in terms of reversing is this is again
not about what you look like. It's about getting that
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vitality back. It's about creating these positive and powerful adaptations
in you know, neurologically, metabolically, gastrointestinally, hormonally, endocrine, all the
system of systems that dictates our bodies. Not to mention
the peace of mind. And then again, one of the
things that I love about how I learned this process
through you is how to do it in a really
you know, evidence based way so that my I could
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have peace of mind knowing that I'm not going to
be you know, air quotes going off the rails or
whatever it is. And I know, you know, I talked
to Agal last week actually, and she had been to
a lot of you know, eating disorder therapists, and she
was telling me that like basically the work that week
or one of the weeks, was like her therapist was like,
you have to eat x amount of salmon, like right now,
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like this week, you know, and it was just like
eat this, eat more, have more. And it was just
like she's like, you don't understand. This is not about
the salmon. It wasn't about the salmon.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It was about the fears that I had about.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
All of a sudden not eating something and then radically
shifting to eating something more so doing it in this
really progressive fashion where again, the goal here is nothing
to do with your physique. It's all about healing and
really teaching your body to feel safe to have this
extra food, but also teaching your mind, heart and soul
and spirit to feel safe knowing that food is not
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a weapon and it's not dangerous, that it can actually
really help you heal, and then little by little having
the anecdotal evidence of like, wow, I feel so much
better when I have more food, and you're gradually teaching
your body metabolically and mentally to have more food. So
I love how you also brought in the resistance training
part of it, because that's something that's not often talked about.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
You know, this is such a wonderful opportunity for people
as well to you know, tap into some of their
other values.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I know for me, you know, I at.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
The time back when I really struggled with my self
image and my self worth, I exclusively just focused on,
you know, how I looked, and when I actually started
thinking about, you know, who is Holly, who do I
want to be? You know, what's the type of person
that you know, I want to be when I'm when
I'm forty or fifty, and really got granular with that
and was specific with you know, what are my goals
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in life and what is my purpose?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
These periods of reversing.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Were such a wonderful time for me, not only to
you know, dabble in this wonderful idea of being able
to eat more and enjoy you know more, you know
more of the fun things that life has to offer.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But I felt amazing. My strength was going up week
by week.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I actually did two powerlifting our meats when I was
doing this at the beginning, because it gave me something
external to focus on that was performance.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Based, not what I saw in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So that coupling of having you know, a performance based
goal also thinking about okay, what else can I fin
you know, what do I want to do with my career?
So bringing all those things together really kind of took
me out of this, I guess place where I found
myself getting stuck on how I looked. So I think,
you know, reversing is such a great time for personal
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growth as much as anything else.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Absolutely, so, yeah, and you mentioned that, you know, I
love that it's playing the long game, Like, this is
not a short term gratification trap concept, right, It's about
playing the long game and identifying, like what's the kind
of health and vitality and body that you want to have,
you know, a year from now, five years from now,
and creating that And again it's not the type of
goal setting that a lot of women think about, right,
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But can you share with us some examples of what
you've experienced. I know, your team Holly Baxter coaching one
of the things I love. Instead of like the typical
before and after pictures you guys share like this person
went from eating eleven hundred calories to twenty three hundred
calories and didn't really gain body fat.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So can you just give for people that are.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Hearing this reversing concept in there, like wait, a minute
eating more food is I'm definitely gonna gain weight, and
they have all these fears and all this trepidation. Can
you share some real life experiences of what you've experienced,
maybe with yourself, but also you know people that might
not like you know, there's some people that you're like, oh,
they're metabolically gifted, but then you're like, no, this person was,
you know, had disordered eating their metabolism. If they had
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any reason to think they had a broken metabolism, it
would be them Like talk to us about different populations
that you've seen in this work through, and can you
just like share a little bit about what it looks
like firsthand.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, So it's funny. I actually have a full
book about this exact topic. It is called a Complete
Reverse Diiding Guide, so it is available on my website. However,
in that book, we actually do a mini case study,
I guess. So we have about fifty of my one
on one clients and we point out, you know, what
their average starting weight was, their end body weight, and
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then what their body composition, you know, body fat mass,
all those types of things you know were at the
end of this reverse but moreover, where their calories got to.
In most cases, what we end up seeing is almost
like a fifty percent increase in somebody's caloric intake over
that twenty week reversing period, which is just crazy fifty
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she said, fifty.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So you know that in and of itself is amazing,
But personally, I think it's it's important to say that
this isn't just something that you do just once. I
and many of my clients, many of our team's clients
have done multiple rounds of this reverse diet process where
we are eventually seeing increases in their lean body mass,
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so their muscle mass is going up over time, We're
seeing increases in their caloric intake, and we're seeing decreases
in their body fat percentage over time, not to mention
all of the psychological benefits that have kind of taken
place during each of these, you know, distinct phases of reversing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So it is.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Definitely something that you know, if you feel like you
are struggling on you know, Bernie the candle at both ends,
so to speak, where you're doing so much exercise you
feel like you're restricting all the time, or you know,
the one day that you do decide to allow yourself
or give yourself that permission to have something that is
more calorically dense, and you feel like you just instantly,
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you know, gain body fat. There is a chance that
you do have some negative adaptations, but it doesn't mean
that it cannot be restored. So this process really allows
you to come out of that and you know, live
a more fulfilling life with more calories, feeling stronger, feeling energized,
and ultimately improving your body composition through increases in lean mass,
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which we know have so many health benefits, you know,
across a range of different conditions.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Yeah, So to give an example of a timeline of this,
like when somebody is coming to you and they've been
in a really drastically reduced or restrictive you know, eating
pattern for a long time, and then you take them
through a reverse you know, is it is it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
A twelve month process? Is four month?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Like, just to set the expectations for somebody who has
been in that disorder for a long time, what would
like if you if they were giving themselves the gift
of time, what would you recommend for that goodness?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I think it really just depends on people's individual goals,
because you know, what you say to me as your ideal,
you know, body composition might be very different to what
I say is mine, and that's okay. So I don't
know that I can give any like hard facts or
specifics because that, you know, there's such a gray area
of people's expectations. But I know, you know, for me
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as an example, and I don't know whether on this
podcast you guys use numbers or weights.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Is that okay for me to mention body weights?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Just knowing that anybody who hears this, ladies, it is
up to you to decide what you do with it.
You know, she's just sharing her experiences and her anecdotes,
and everything's from an evidence based perspective, so yeah, go
for it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So I know, when I first started my journey, I
used to weigh about fifty six kilograms, and that was
back when I was track sprinting, I was running, I
was doing a little bit of resistance training, but it
was probably more you know, pliometric really And then at
the time, my caloric intake or requirements were about twelve
hundred and fifty to thirteen hundred calories, which is very
(18:12):
very low. Going forwards ten years, and I'm going to
say about half of that involves me really applying an
evidence based approach to resistance training. I am now sitting
ten kilograms, so we're talking twenty something pounds heavier, and
I am happier than I ever was, and I'm also
in a physique that is so much stronger. I probably
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have significantly lower health risks across a range of different
conditions because I have healed my relationship with food. I
now eat on average probably two thousand to two thy
five hundred calories every day, and I truly am able
to enjoy a much wider variety of foods. So you
know this, that's a lifetime of you know, resistance training.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
So you know, we're talking twenty pounds would.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Be realistic thing over a ten year, you know, span
of this process, which is exactly what I have done.
But you know, in a shorter term, it's not unrealistic
to think that you can take your calories up by
probably a thousand from where you are in a twenty
four weeks six month reversing period. That is a not
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an unrealistic expectation. If you are somebody that likes and
enjoys moving your body and you know, commits to an
evidence based training process. So it's really amazing to see
some of the results.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, and you know, to anybody who any of those
numbers are air quotes triggering, you know, it's a really
beautiful example of you know, she's telling you, hey, I
gained twenty pounds on the scale, but first of all,
I'm eating about double the calories I had, and just physiologically,
when you look at her body, the twenty pounds doesn't
denote it's I mean, because she was resistance training and
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she was really adding you know, and not to mention
the bone density benefits you get from the resistance training.
So she's building and eating more and really creating this strong,
vitality driven version of her body. And yes, the scale
is twenty pounds heavier, but she didn't just you know,
gain twenty pounds of fat. She enabled her body to
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be fueled to go do the movement that she could
do to put on the lean body mass that she
had lost from under eating and overcardioing.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
So again she's sharing those numbers just as a way
to show you what's possible. And again we can do
a whole episode about how the scale can be very
deceitful because it and not to mention. You know, it
doesn't denote what it's comprised of. It doesn't denote happiness
and wholeness and integrity and how you're valuing yourself.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So I think that's actually a beauty.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I'm glad you gave those numbers because it's showing how
you can actually air quotes gain weight, you know, but
you're really increasing your health and it also is helping
you disassociate and detach your identity from the weight. So
I'm actually appreciative that you shared those those specifics.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, and I think something else there and this is
relatively new information for me because they've just finished writing
a book on this.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They've just finished writing a book on this. It is
the realistic rates of muscle growth.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So you know, we hear all kinds of numbers being
thrown around, you know, in the industry, and that's really
all it is. I actually went through it and did
a revision of about thirty nine randomized control trials that
are I guess, studying subjects participants.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Over like an eight to twelve week period.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And again these are all every single rep has been
you know, monitored. They've got a researcher there, like counting
the reps making sure that they're going to failure. And
what is crazy to me is that there are a
handful of studies that we'll call like extraordinary where you know,
they might see increases in muscle growth of around the
point five up to point seven of a centimeter. So
(21:55):
imagine what that looks like. Now look at your little
pinky finger. You know, that might be a centometer. So
we're talking point five to point seven and that was
in like three extraordinary findings. And now what is more
interesting is if we look at the average rates of
muscle growth for natural you know, non steroidal users, it's
(22:15):
actually around point two two point three centimeters per eight
tok eight to twelve week study intervention.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So again I want to relate.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
This back to what we've just been talking about with
this reverse dieting concept and improving your metabolism, because again
that muscle is one of the driving factors of increasing
your daily daily BMI, your basal metabolic rate, increasing your
total daily energy requirements. So the more muscle you can build,
the higher those numbers are going to be.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Absolutely yeah, and I really it's important that we're talking
about these concepts because you know, a lot of this
podcast talks about what's happening in the midst of the disorder.
But after you have healed your relationship with food, I
truly believe it is really important that you go heal
some from some of the physical repercussions that have happened
as a as a you know. I know, for me,
I had a lot of you know, collateral damage so
(23:09):
to speak, that needed to be addressed, you know, not
to mention the physiological issues and pain and all of that.
So I think, you know, again, this stuff that we're
talking about today has a time or place, and please
use your discretion and discernment to know whether this is
relevant to you. Again, we're talking about a lot of
this is going to take place, like after you have
healed and can have these conversations.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And use it as a tool.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
But like imagine even just taking this concept of talking
about lean body mass, Like just imagine if you are
such a slave to that number on the scale and
instead of looking at a number, you actually started focusing
on like performance and how your body moves and feels
and building muscle and having this organ that is going
to build you know, burn calories while you're sleeping, you know,
(23:50):
and and really taking your eye off of the typical
you know, measurables that you've been using. Even that is
such a paradigm shift. So again, a lot of this
stuff that we're talking about, I'll be totally honest, if
I had talked with you about this year ten years ago,
I might have gotten, you know, kind of triggered by
some of this. But it really is such an important topic.
And that's why I wanted to talk about this because
if this does confront you at all, I just want
(24:12):
you to give yourself permission to let that be okay,
because sometimes things can confront us, and sometimes things can
challenge us, and maybe we're not ready to hear it,
or maybe it's just the right thing wrong time, or
maybe it's the wrong thing right time, whatever it is.
Use your wisdom to know where this fits for you.
But we wouldn't be who we were in this in
this industry to help people heal their relationship with food
and their bodies if we didn't talk about like what
(24:34):
happens next and afterwards and what you have to look
forward to and how to you know, create these reframes.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So it's so important.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, And I think it's also so important to recognize like,
we want to meet you where you are. So I'm
speaking to this as somebody that has done the work
and you know, has spent years kind of trying to
heal from all of my you know, dysfunctional thoughts and behaviors.
And it doesn't mean that I don't still struggle on
a Pasian. I think we all still have, you know,
(25:02):
those negative thoughts about you know, how we might look
and feel in our you know, an outfit, or maybe
I shouldn't go to this event because people are going
to be looking at me and you know, judging me or.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
What have you. It doesn't mean that we don't still
have those thoughts.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But I think, you know, we have gotten to this
point and I think Leanne I can speak for you
as well.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
We we have traveled.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
This journey and we want we're here to help you.
So if it really does mean for us to meet
you where you are and how can we get you
moving in this positive direction that we know is going
to lead you to you know, a happier sense of.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Self, absolutely yeah, and repairing this part of it, and
it's it really is the next level of healing a
relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It's like creating safety.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
You know, I think one of the beautiful things about
reversing and especially doing it through you know, an in
evidence based approach, is that we can really get grandular
and be very specific on the speed.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
At which we do this.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So, you know, if you're in the hands of a
coach who perhaps doesn't have you know, the experience, you know,
working in a lab or reading scientific studies, and that's
just not their thing. I mean that's okay. There's a
place for everybody. But what I love about what we
do is that we can very tightly control that. You know,
we have equations and math, which is really a lot
(26:23):
of what all of this is to do. It's just
a lot of numbers, which I enjoy personally, but for
anybody that might be concerned or you know, have a
little bit of fear about, you know, body weight regain.
In this process, we move at your speed and it
can be laser focused to meet you where you are.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, and I love that, and I love that you
and your team also, you know, if somebody came to
you and they were at a very you know, drastically
reduced caloric rate and they were like, hey, I want
to lose body fat like you would tell them straight up, like, listen,
I think you might be better off like in a
maintenance or reverse or whatever. And we're going to talk
about that a bit more in depth in next week's episode.
But you guys are always again meeting people where they are,
(27:04):
but also empowering them to understand what they might not
understand and learn what they might not know so that
they can keep the long game in mind. So beautiful,
I love it. Well, we are going to be back
next week and we're going to bring it all together.
So we're going to just kind of get Holly. We're
gonna you know, give her the third degree.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, just kidding. We're gonna ask Hollie, you know, what.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Does this process look like for you know, having both Okay,
so now that we've healed our relationship with food or
again we're on the journey because it's its ongoing journey.
What does it look like if I want to go reverse?
What does it look like if I want to you know,
have goal setting in mind? How do I do that
without losing all of this work that I've done and
what that looks like practically? So in the meantime, where
can people find you? I know you also have the
(27:48):
Reverse Dieting Guide on your website, so can you just
share a little bit about where to find you and
we can link anything in the show notes as well.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, so I'm going to send everybody straight to my Instagram.
It is just Holly Tea Baxter.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And you can also find all of my coaches and
their wealth of knowledge on the coaching page which is
Team Holly Teed Baxter. So if you head over to
either of those pages, you'll be able to see the links.
We've got all of our products, all of our services,
the book that you mentioned, and everything in between.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Beautiful, awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Well, thank you so much for being here, and we
are going to be back next week to round it
all out. So this is it for Outweigh for this
week and we'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Bye bye,
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