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September 2, 2020 60 min

 Samara chats with the groundbreaking psychologist and author of the new book How You Say It: Why You Talk The Way You Do—and What It Says About You, about what Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s changing accent tells us about human nature, how Hugh Laurie betrayed us, and the accent YOU have. As Katherine says, the language you use and the sounds you make are “so critical to feelings of identity, when you speak, you let a little bit of yourself out, for the world to interpret.” And sometimes, all hell breaks loose. From what went down at the trial of Trayvon Martin’s killer to how you yourself may very well judge a foreign accent, this conversation is about what the studies reveal about ourselves, and about what we can do about it. Enjoy this final episode for a while!


Host: Samara Bay

Executive producers: Catherine Burt Cantin & Mark Cantin, Double Vision

Producers: Samara Bay, Sophie Lichterman and the iHeart team

Theme music: Mark Cantin

Samara on IG: @samarabay

Cat on IG: @catburt & @doublevisionprojects


To sign up your kids for a study or learn more about Katherine’s work, visit:

 For Katherine’s book:

 For Adrienne Maree Brown’s book:

 For the full clip with Rachel Maddow:

 How RBG found her voice:

 The linguistics of Rachel Jeantel:


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